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| 00:51.51 | spldart | Ok. Now I understand the difference between DVD and HD DVD |
| 00:52.44 | JeffM | what? that HD DVD is dead and DVD will live for a long time more? |
| 00:54.24 | spldart | Ok.. hd and blu ray |
| 00:54.30 | spldart | compared to original dvd |
| 00:54.36 | Cobra_Fast | HD DVD was just another crap to get the consumers least money |
| 00:54.40 | Cobra_Fast | like Bluray |
| 00:54.43 | spldart | me is playing with real resolution |
| 00:54.53 | JeffM | Cobra_Fast, not if you have the correct TV |
| 00:54.55 | JeffM | and he does |
| 00:54.59 | Winny | Cobra_Fast: uh, no |
| 00:55.11 | Winny | It's the only optical disc(s) that supportfull length HD movies |
| 00:55.14 | JeffM | 480p sucks compared to 720 |
| 00:55.26 | Winny | mm, 1080p |
| 00:55.29 | spldart | has a tv hooked to his computer that his vid card can't even max out :( |
| 00:55.32 | JeffM | 720p to 1080I isn't much |
| 00:55.43 | Winny | 1080i is 540p |
| 00:55.45 | JeffM | 1080P makes sense if you have a large TV |
| 00:55.48 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:56.01 | JeffM | thats why 720p is better then 1080i |
| 00:56.12 | Winny | :) |
| 00:56.15 | spldart | I'm running 1400 by 1050 from my machine and using the 'zoom' feature to fill my screen the rest of the way. |
| 00:56.19 | JeffM | and spldart is using a projector, SOOOO his TV is very large |
| 00:56.24 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:56.28 | spldart | Nono.. |
| 00:56.32 | spldart | I have the projector too |
| 00:56.37 | JeffM | how big is the TV? |
| 00:56.42 | spldart | But I'm playing with my new sony bravia |
| 00:56.47 | JeffM | how large? |
| 00:56.50 | Winny | am I the only one in here with a tube TV? |
| 00:56.52 | spldart | 40 inch.. hooked to my dually |
| 00:57.10 | spldart | The projector doesn't have near the pixel count this thing has |
| 00:57.17 | JeffM | 1400 isn't full 1080i IIRC |
| 00:57.25 | spldart | the Brtavia has over 2megpixel |
| 00:57.26 | Winny | 1080x1920 |
| 00:57.27 | spldart | I know |
| 00:57.36 | Winny | err other way around |
| 00:57.43 | JeffM | but still I'm sure it looks good |
| 00:57.50 | spldart | The sony goes to 1920 by 1080.. my card doesn't support it |
| 00:58.02 | spldart | I need a new vid card now |
| 00:58.04 | JeffM | I don't see any diff between 1080p and 720p on my 24 |
| 00:58.27 | spldart | s/Brtavia/Bravia |
| 00:58.29 | spldart | engine |
| 00:58.33 | JeffM | but there is a HUGE diff between 720 and 480 |
| 00:58.58 | spldart | This monitor was my 5 year bonus :) |
| 00:59.05 | Winny | 480 on a 26" CRT sucks... it's so blurry compared to a 24" LCD |
| 00:59.07 | spldart | I'm so happy :) |
| 01:00.37 | spldart | I can't get over how much real estate my desktop has now though ;-) |
| 01:00.43 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:01.02 | spldart | was just playing Rambo and noticed that regular DVD suxors when you have this much res. |
| 01:01.23 | Winny | HD podcasts are awesome :) |
| 01:01.50 | spldart | Another shortcoming at this res is that BZFlag runs at about 30fps at 1400 and 32mil colors. |
| 01:02.01 | JeffM | you need a new computer |
| 01:02.02 | JeffM | badly |
| 01:02.11 | spldart | New compy or new vid card? |
| 01:02.16 | JeffM | both |
| 01:02.17 | Think_Differentl | both |
| 01:02.21 | JeffM | you are what? AGP still? |
| 01:02.32 | Winny | I'd send you some of my cores but, naa ;) |
| 01:02.36 | Think_Differentl | get a core 2 or core 2 quad :P |
| 01:02.36 | spldart | Cuz liquid coooled bartons clocking along at nutso speed is still floating my boat. |
| 01:02.46 | spldart | dos of those babies. |
| 01:02.51 | spldart | Yeah.. AGP |
| 01:02.56 | JeffM | that is your core problem |
| 01:03.00 | JeffM | the CPU speed isn't the issue |
| 01:03.07 | JeffM | ram and system bus |
| 01:03.08 | spldart | AGP bandwidth? |
| 01:03.13 | JeffM | it's what DDR1? |
| 01:03.15 | JeffM | or just SDRAM? |
| 01:03.21 | spldart | System bus is OC'd heavily |
| 01:03.27 | JeffM | it's not wide enough |
| 01:03.28 | spldart | and memory timings are tight |
| 01:03.34 | spldart | true |
| 01:03.36 | JeffM | is it SDRAM? |
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| 01:04.05 | spldart | DDR 3200 in a 2100 appliance.. then OC to 140 fsb and tighten timings alot |
| 01:04.10 | JeffM | oh good |
| 01:04.13 | JeffM | yeah slow |
| 01:04.38 | Think_Differentl | at least it's not SDRAM |
| 01:04.39 | JeffM | you don't have engouh memory bandwith to send stuff to and from those CPUs |
| 01:04.48 | JeffM | and the AGP gets flooded |
| 01:04.48 | spldart | Yes and no |
| 01:04.51 | CBG | If you wanna play bzflag make sure you have (AT LEAST) a GeForce2 MX and 128MB VRAM! |
| 01:05.00 | Think_Differentl | AGP 8X? |
| 01:05.01 | JeffM | sure you are the peak of 2004 technology |
| 01:05.09 | JeffM | but we've moved past |
| 01:05.18 | JeffM | PCIe X16 slots man, FTW |
| 01:05.23 | spldart | This machine can video edit faster than P4 2.6 ghz with 400 fsb and the semprons with 333 fsb |
| 01:05.23 | JeffM | DDR 1066 |
| 01:05.33 | spldart | Yeah.. |
| 01:05.34 | JeffM | spldart, sure, cus that's a P4 |
| 01:05.38 | Think_Differentl | DDR2-800 is fast enough |
| 01:05.40 | JeffM | compare it to a core 2.... |
| 01:05.49 | spldart | yeah :( |
| 01:05.51 | spldart | I know |
| 01:05.51 | JeffM | P4's honestly SUCKED |
| 01:05.53 | Winny | \o/ 1600mhz fsb |
| 01:05.53 | JeffM | big time |
| 01:05.54 | spldart | Very old machine |
| 01:06.09 | Think_Differentl | hugs his Core 2 box |
| 01:06.13 | spldart | Mobo is 5 and cpu's are 4 now |
| 01:06.16 | JeffM | my core 2 laptop, beat my AMD 6000+ desktop machine |
| 01:06.32 | JeffM | running almost 1/2 the clock |
| 01:06.35 | Winny | amd, hehe, amd |
| 01:06.46 | JeffM | I no longer have that desktop |
| 01:06.50 | JeffM | gave it to Erroneous |
| 01:07.04 | JeffM | quad cores and 8 gigs of ram.. for great justice |
| 01:07.10 | spldart | woah |
| 01:07.33 | JeffM | and it was not expensive |
| 01:07.43 | Think_Differentl | wonders how much an ATI 9250 can overclock |
| 01:07.50 | JeffM | ewww |
| 01:07.52 | Winny | JeffM: how much was it? |
| 01:07.55 | CBG | --> <-- that much. |
| 01:08.19 | JeffM | Winny, 200$ for the CPU 80$ for hte mobo, and like 70$ for each 4 gig kit |
| 01:08.28 | JeffM | oh and 15$ for the cooler |
| 01:08.40 | Winny | not bad |
| 01:08.47 | JeffM | nope |
| 01:09.18 | CBG | A quad for $200? |
| 01:09.19 | spldart | Wprime with 3 threads on 32m benchmark is 38 seconds. Just a quick test without optimization and with apps in the background. |
| 01:09.25 | JeffM | CBG, yeah |
| 01:09.26 | Winny | I have no need for more then 6gb until adobe makes photoshop 64bit |
| 01:09.30 | JeffM | they arn't much |
| 01:10.09 | CBG | should start buying stuff in USD and shipping it. |
| 01:10.22 | JeffM | the CPU I got, is now 189.99 |
| 01:10.30 | JeffM | 209 for the retail box |
| 01:10.37 | Winny | wow |
| 01:10.45 | JeffM | that's normal for the q6600 |
| 01:10.47 | spldart | It's so weird to see websites I got to on a regular basis all bunched up on the left of my browser and nothing on the right. |
| 01:10.47 | Winny | wonders why the quad xeons are so expensive |
| 01:10.48 | JeffM | it's the older chip |
| 01:11.01 | spldart | s/got/go |
| 01:11.01 | JeffM | Winny, because they are tested better |
| 01:11.18 | Think_Differentl | i'd like to get myself a new quad, perhaps a Q9450. i'll have to upgrade my mobo first :( |
| 01:11.30 | CBG | An Intel Q6600 is £125 here. :/ |
| 01:11.31 | Winny | Think_Differentl, join the dark side ;) |
| 01:12.21 | CBG | Which is more like $250... |
| 01:12.23 | JeffM | hmm my ram is up to 103 |
| 01:13.40 | JeffM | spldart, what video card do you have? |
| 01:14.22 | Winny | wow, the CPUs in this thing are 750$ retail in Canada >_< ... and like 650 in the US, even though our dollar is worth the same |
| 01:14.34 | spldart | This one is the nvid 6200 |
| 01:14.43 | JeffM | spldart, that would be your problem |
| 01:14.44 | spldart | the linux tester is a 5200 fx |
| 01:14.48 | JeffM | that's a crap card |
| 01:14.52 | spldart | Both are dual boot though |
| 01:14.54 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:14.55 | JeffM | both of those are low end cards |
| 01:15.07 | spldart | But agp pickens is getting scarce |
| 01:15.07 | JeffM | tho anything faster will be PCIe |
| 01:15.10 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:15.18 | JeffM | it is time to upgrade for you |
| 01:15.23 | spldart | :( |
| 01:15.25 | JeffM | the bus changes will be massive for you |
| 01:15.33 | JeffM | DDR1 to DDR2 is very nice |
| 01:15.45 | spldart | I hear ddr3 is not so much |
| 01:15.49 | Winny | do they even sell new AGP cards anymore? Our local shop stopped selling them about a year ago |
| 01:15.57 | JeffM | yeah DDR3 only at the high end speeds |
| 01:16.17 | JeffM | DDR3 can clock higher then DDR2 so that's it's advantage. |
| 01:16.39 | spldart | God.. just realized my monitor is worth almost as much as my dually rig when It was new |
| 01:16.40 | JeffM | but for similar speeds DDR2 is cheaper |
| 01:17.04 | JeffM | DDR3 mobos are VERY expensive |
| 01:17.15 | JeffM | thats why I went with a DDR2 setup |
| 01:17.23 | JeffM | 1066, and it runs quite well |
| 01:17.43 | spldart | Well.. I can consider a new Video card in the somewhat near future but not a knew pc.. I just build a new rig for one of the3 kids room and a knew pc for the wife.. My budget is stretched :( |
| 01:18.02 | JeffM | spending money on an AGP card is a waste |
| 01:18.07 | JeffM | save it |
| 01:18.14 | spldart | Really? |
| 01:18.17 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:18.22 | spldart | even if it would be for severzl months? |
| 01:18.27 | JeffM | you won't get anything faster then what you have |
| 01:18.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:18.42 | JeffM | I think all you can get uis a 6600 |
| 01:18.43 | spldart | I just ordered a new vid capture card for this rig cuz my last when Tango Uniform |
| 01:19.03 | Erroneous | 7600 |
| 01:19.04 | spldart | s/when/went |
| 01:19.10 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:19.23 | JeffM | I don't think that will be tons faster then your 6200 |
| 01:19.23 | Erroneous | they made 7800s too, but the 7600 was more than capable of flooding the bus (I know, I had one) |
| 01:19.31 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:19.37 | JeffM | AGP is long dead |
| 01:19.41 | spldart | Oh.. and AGP 4x.. it's a server/workstation mobo |
| 01:19.50 | JeffM | yyyyyeeeeaahhhh |
| 01:19.51 | JeffM | save it |
| 01:19.58 | Erroneous | eh, yeah, you'll not get anything worthwhile |
| 01:20.01 | Think_Differentl | PCIe 16x ftw |
| 01:20.04 | JeffM | big time |
| 01:20.32 | spldart | It looks like 7600 and 6800 are near the top of the list |
| 01:20.38 | spldart | for agp |
| 01:20.48 | JeffM | yep |
| 01:20.53 | JeffM | thats the last cards made |
| 01:21.03 | JeffM | they don't make AGP cards any more |
| 01:21.22 | spldart | Me is so lame. hehe |
| 01:21.28 | JeffM | it's just time |
| 01:21.57 | JeffM | new egg lists 44 AGP cards |
| 01:22.10 | JeffM | and 239 PCIe cards |
| 01:22.16 | spldart | Well... I can crank down resolution slight if 30fps in bzflag isn't quite enough... it seemed ok when I played a bit ago. That and movies are what are important for me right now. |
| 01:22.33 | spldart | noticed.. is browsing nvid agp's right now |
| 01:22.37 | Erroneous | ATI still makes them afaik |
| 01:22.41 | Erroneous | low-end HD 3ks |
| 01:22.57 | JeffM | for what? servers? ;) |
| 01:23.22 | spldart | So.. It's NOT worth it to consider a new agp card if I'm SEVERAL months from a compy upgrade? |
| 01:23.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:23.32 | Erroneous | naw, servers jumped from pci to pcie |
| 01:23.34 | spldart | ok |
| 01:23.45 | JeffM | you'll blow 80-100$ for minimal incrase |
| 01:23.55 | JeffM | when that same money will get you a much faster PCI-E card |
| 01:23.59 | Erroneous | thinks JeffM overestimates the 6200 :) |
| 01:24.00 | spldart | Well.. 80 yeah |
| 01:24.05 | Erroneous | 6200s are really weak cards |
| 01:24.11 | JeffM | AGP4x! |
| 01:24.13 | spldart | I have to agree. |
| 01:24.18 | Winny | 6600's were/are pretty good |
| 01:24.23 | Erroneous | *2* shader units |
| 01:24.25 | spldart | the 5200 I have in another machine is right there with the 6200 |
| 01:24.27 | JeffM | it's still money left |
| 01:24.28 | Erroneous | gimme a break |
| 01:24.34 | spldart | Well.. 5200 fx |
| 01:24.40 | JeffM | well yeah, he can get up to 8 ;) |
| 01:24.48 | JeffM | how many do the PCIE cards have? |
| 01:25.06 | JeffM | an 8600 runs in the sub 100$ range now |
| 01:25.20 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 01:25.24 | Erroneous | he can get 12 |
| 01:25.30 | Erroneous | they changed the way they count for pcie |
| 01:25.35 | Erroneous | for gf8 rather |
| 01:25.46 | JeffM | I just don't think it'd be worth it |
| 01:25.52 | spldart | will post pics tomorrow to be an arse.. It will show the old 32" monitor with the subtitle "Old and busted" and the new Bravia with the subtitle "New Hotness" LOLz |
| 01:25.57 | JeffM | not with the low end systems being so cheap now |
| 01:26.03 | Erroneous | depends what's it's worth to him |
| 01:26.22 | JeffM | spldart, how much ram do you have? |
| 01:26.27 | spldart | 1 gig |
| 01:26.32 | spldart | Don't need more |
| 01:26.40 | spldart | I never get into swap on linux or windows xp |
| 01:26.43 | JeffM | 2 512s? |
| 01:26.46 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:27.15 | spldart | I'm big on tweaking out process's I don't use on both |
| 01:27.23 | JeffM | core2 E7200 and mobo == 109$ |
| 01:27.31 | spldart | and not big on eleventy billions windows |
| 01:27.37 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:27.46 | JeffM | 2 gigs of PC6400, 25$ after rebate |
| 01:28.01 | Erroneous | if he's actually running games on his system, then the video card is his bottleneck, and he can alleviate it considerably (the 7600 is twice as fast in pure clock and has 8x the number of pipelines) |
| 01:28.13 | spldart | How will the core 2 duo's handle say... 6 to 12 similtaneous video encodes in divx or xvid? |
| 01:28.19 | JeffM | spldart, well |
| 01:28.28 | JeffM | the core 2 is a GOOD chip |
| 01:28.46 | JeffM | it is not the next version of the pentium 4 |
| 01:28.54 | JeffM | it is from the pentium M branch |
| 01:29.01 | Erroneous | assuming he doesn't have the ~$230 it would take to beat it with a new mobo/cpu/ram/video card setup |
| 01:29.02 | spldart | ah |
| 01:29.10 | spldart | is vaguely familiar with that core |
| 01:29.22 | spldart | At the moment.. no |
| 01:29.41 | spldart | I'm spent bad.. two new pc's for other family that are much newer and the new monitor for myself.. |
| 01:29.42 | JeffM | it's not that much more then the card cost, that's why I'd save it and wait |
| 01:29.52 | spldart | Hrm |
| 01:30.15 | spldart | I'll be standing pat for many months |
| 01:31.04 | JeffM | what is the clock speed of your current cores? |
| 01:31.16 | spldart | What diff can one expect for a jump from 4 pix pipes to say 12 on agp? |
| 01:31.27 | JeffM | depends on the game |
| 01:31.27 | spldart | ooOOoo... dunno off top of my head |
| 01:31.31 | JeffM | for bzflag, nothing |
| 01:31.33 | spldart | BZFlag |
| 01:31.35 | spldart | ok |
| 01:31.41 | JeffM | well minimal |
| 01:31.48 | spldart | Cuz other than bzflag.. I play a tiny bit of UT and that'a about it |
| 01:31.49 | JeffM | I think you'd flood out at the AGP bus |
| 01:31.50 | Erroneous | bzflag would benefit from the clock increase |
| 01:32.00 | Erroneous | heh, not with bzflag :) |
| 01:32.01 | JeffM | yeah the clock would help it draw what was on the card faster |
| 01:32.06 | spldart | and a tiny bit of halo |
| 01:32.08 | Erroneous | we send the geometry once, and the textures once |
| 01:32.11 | spldart | but not enough to worry about |
| 01:32.27 | Erroneous | a 7600's got enough ram to store everything we render, on the card |
| 01:32.36 | JeffM | for those old games a 7600 would help you |
| 01:32.49 | JeffM | but it'd be a dead end purchase, thats why I'd wait |
| 01:33.04 | spldart | BZFlag is the only one I care about.. and the resolution increase has cost me alotta fps |
| 01:33.06 | JeffM | how much longer would it take you to save say another 200$? |
| 01:33.20 | spldart | I understand your caveat |
| 01:33.29 | spldart | Several months. |
| 01:33.32 | Erroneous | really the thing to keep in mind is that for $80 you can get a card, or for $230 you can get a whole new system, that will be much faster |
| 01:33.34 | spldart | I'm really spent now\ |
| 01:33.51 | Erroneous | and you don't get the $80 back |
| 01:33.55 | JeffM | yeah, so just wait a couple more months and be well set for the future |
| 01:34.01 | Erroneous | unless you return the card...*evil grin* |
| 01:34.06 | spldart | Hah |
| 01:34.08 | JeffM | you are going to have to spend that 230$ at some point ;) |
| 01:34.22 | spldart | heh.. couple.. no. several? more likely |
| 01:34.27 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:34.29 | JeffM | tho you may need a new power supply too |
| 01:34.36 | JeffM | depending on what you have |
| 01:34.39 | Erroneous | isn't he running a dually? |
| 01:34.45 | spldart | true.. I'm on an Antec truepower 430 |
| 01:34.51 | JeffM | you'll be fine |
| 01:34.51 | Erroneous | guesses he needed a good bit of power to begin with |
| 01:35.07 | JeffM | I was more thinking aobut he bonus power plugs then watage |
| 01:35.16 | JeffM | the truepower is a good PS |
| 01:35.21 | spldart | Yes it is |
| 01:35.23 | JeffM | I have the 550 |
| 01:35.29 | spldart | Best I've ever bought. |
| 01:35.40 | spldart | ooOOoo.. the beast |
| 01:35.42 | JeffM | Erroneous, he could have 2 250's chained in some wierd setup |
| 01:35.47 | Erroneous | heh |
| 01:35.50 | spldart | lol |
| 01:36.00 | JeffM | spldart, actualy I'll have to replace it if I replace my video card more likely |
| 01:36.04 | spldart | I do.. something similar to that.. in my file server |
| 01:36.18 | spldart | heh |
| 01:36.30 | spldart | PC's are getting more and more power hungry |
| 01:36.31 | Erroneous | has been known to run a raid array off one psu, and the rest of the machine off another... |
| 01:36.37 | spldart | word |
| 01:36.39 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:36.43 | JeffM | Erroneous, you need Jer's case |
| 01:36.54 | Erroneous | heh, not my current system |
| 01:37.02 | JeffM | Erroneous, go home |
| 01:37.09 | spldart | File server runs two power supplies here.. cuz I had to many hdd's for the 350 watt powersupply. |
| 01:37.14 | Erroneous | even with 4 drives, the 6k+ and 9600, I've got sufficient power from a 400 |
| 01:37.22 | Erroneous | must go home |
| 01:37.23 | spldart | aw |
| 01:37.25 | spldart | okies |
| 01:37.30 | spldart | safe commute |
| 01:42.43 | Think_Differentl | <3 antec powersupplies |
| 02:18.04 | spldart | back.. man |
| 02:18.18 | spldart | Bzflag is a totally different experience on this monitor |
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| 03:21.01 | JeffM | I men what speed does the CPU run at? |
| 03:21.04 | JeffM | 2.3 gig or something? |
| 03:21.49 | JeffM | spldart: what multiplyer? |
| 03:21.58 | spldart | Two socket modded barton mobiles @ 2.24 ghz apiece iirc... I've had them much faster but this is my confort speed |
| 03:22.29 | JeffM | yeah, if you save your money, and get a new system, not only will it speed up graphics but it'll speed up everything else |
| 03:22.39 | JeffM | build of bzflag, for instance.. :) |
| 03:22.57 | JeffM | my quad runs 4 cores at 2.4 gig stock |
| 03:23.15 | JeffM | with the system buss at 266, DDR2ed up to 1066 |
| 03:23.27 | spldart | has noticed that the sempron 333mhz ddr and the P4 400mhz machines he build for the older kids and the wife are more responsive in some respect |
| 03:23.30 | JeffM | and that's with 0 overlock |
| 03:23.43 | JeffM | yeah memory speed is a huge benifit |
| 03:23.54 | JeffM | you can overlock the CPU speed like mad, but if it has to wait for ram.... |
| 03:24.00 | spldart | Thus my pushing that far past stock :) |
| 03:24.02 | JeffM | how much cache do the bartons have? |
| 03:24.35 | spldart | Ah.. the reason for the switch from the thoroughbreds.. 512.. since most other XP's have 256 |
| 03:24.45 | JeffM | ouch |
| 03:24.47 | JeffM | I have 8 megs |
| 03:25.03 | spldart | Yeah.. I have 1 if you count them together |
| 03:25.12 | spldart | and yeah.. that helped alot over dual 256's |
| 03:25.17 | JeffM | yeah the cache has realy increased on the new CPUs |
| 03:25.49 | JeffM | that cheap core2 I mentioned, has 3 megs of cache |
| 03:25.57 | JeffM | and runs at 2.5 gig |
| 03:25.58 | spldart | wow |
| 03:26.06 | spldart | So that alone is a step up |
| 03:26.07 | JeffM | and that's a low end core2 |
| 03:27.34 | JeffM | a higher end system like th E8500, runs at 3.16gig, and has 6 megs of cache |
| 03:27.50 | JeffM | tho to get the max out of that, you'd want DDR3 |
| 03:28.27 | spldart | Oki doki.. Well. sry for the misunderstanding on the core speed thing. So now I have to decide how long I stand pat on the current rig.. with budget considerations |
| 03:28.33 | JeffM | this is the kinda stuff that goes on sale at fry's |
| 03:28.33 | JeffM | http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com/ |
| 03:28.57 | JeffM | once you get into the modern era you can upgrade it in parts as needed |
| 03:29.03 | spldart | Man.. was just there. |
| 03:29.09 | spldart | Oh man |
| 03:29.36 | JeffM | hah, one gig of DDR ram costs more then 2 gigs of DDR2 |
| 03:29.56 | spldart | I've noticed that lately |
| 03:30.04 | JeffM | DDR isn't made as much anymore |
| 03:32.12 | JeffM | as for video, for that same 80$ you'd spend on an AGP card, that'd get you a 8600 GTX with 512 megs of ram, and 32 stream processors |
| 03:32.26 | spldart | Welp.. once this latest acquisition isn't all oooOOooo waaaaaahhhh anymore I'll have to decide on my next upgrade path |
| 03:32.26 | JeffM | WITH HDTV out ;) |
| 03:33.21 | spldart | decisions decisions :-/ |
| 03:33.36 | JeffM | you can probably even work it where you get an HDMI port on the thing |
| 03:33.44 | spldart | I guess I'm stuck in a 'relationship' with this combo ;) |
| 03:34.06 | JeffM | yeah it's nice to keep stuff you've worked hard on, but there has to be an end to it at some point |
| 03:34.10 | JeffM | it's very old tech |
| 03:34.21 | JeffM | and those don't even have hypertransport |
| 03:34.30 | JeffM | so you are sharing the system bus with the 2 CPUs |
| 03:34.57 | JeffM | a dual core should run better, since there is one bus to the CPU then the data is split inside the CPU at a higher speed |
| 03:35.22 | spldart | Even had a leak in the liquid cooling once over a year ago and two traces were damaged off the board.. Had to make jumpers to connect them again.. right off the southbridge hehe... |
| 03:35.52 | JeffM | if you want to be an overclocking fiend with a new system, then a Q6600 is what you want :) |
| 03:36.09 | JeffM | those can get way up there if you get agressive |
| 03:38.10 | JeffM | I've been told I should be able to get up to 2.8ish with the cheap cooler I have |
| 03:38.29 | spldart | googles |
| 03:39.25 | Think_Differentl | i've gone 3.0GHz+ on my E6600 with a stock cooler. |
| 03:39.27 | spldart | sry about the all of a sudden lagging.. was dealing with a kick/ban elsewhere |
| 03:41.31 | spldart | Who is 'bangin' for the buck now? Intel or AMD? |
| 03:41.43 | spldart | has to go in 15 minutes for an errand. |
| 03:41.44 | JeffM | intel is the performance leader |
| 03:41.52 | JeffM | and very close in price |
| 03:42.10 | JeffM | you can get AMD quad and tripple cores cheaper then intel, but they tend to suck |
| 03:42.28 | spldart | really? |
| 03:42.34 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:42.38 | spldart | poor buss or something else? |
| 03:42.41 | JeffM | the phenoms were a mistake |
| 03:42.46 | JeffM | just poor design |
| 03:42.50 | spldart | Oh |
| 03:42.54 | JeffM | the core 2 is a REALY good chip |
| 03:45.49 | JeffM | I swaped from an athalon 64 6000+ to the intel q6600 and have been very happy |
| 03:53.29 | spldart | BBL |
| 04:41.05 | spldart | is torn between his hatred of all things intel and microsoft and his desire for cost effective upgrade. |
| 04:41.22 | spldart | I'll just sit back and wait for the bank account to fatten back up. |
| 04:41.58 | spldart | Does 2.6.18 support that processor well?? If not how about 2.6.24? |
| 04:42.21 | spldart | doesn't have experience with 2.6.25 yet |
| 04:42.37 | JeffM | I installed current ubutu with out issue |
| 04:42.47 | JeffM | I was not aware that a kernel had to support specific CPus |
| 04:43.51 | spldart | I thought they had to add functionality piece meal as they went along.. When i build custom kernels I often pick the specifics for cpu support. |
| 04:44.20 | JeffM | that's for new CPU features |
| 04:44.24 | spldart | But have no experience in this level of cpu. multi core |
| 04:44.24 | JeffM | like a new SSE, or whatnot |
| 04:44.35 | JeffM | multi core has been suported for AGES |
| 04:44.41 | spldart | Ah.. Ok |
| 04:44.47 | JeffM | the default kernels are all SMP |
| 04:45.02 | spldart | So wether old 2 core or latest multi core I should be fine |
| 04:45.14 | JeffM | basilcy |
| 04:45.33 | JeffM | as long as it dosn't have new stuff, like SSE 7 or something |
| 04:45.46 | JeffM | the quad cores are basicly 2 core 2 duos on the same die |
| 04:46.13 | spldart | I had assumed that multi core required an enhanced instruction set or new flags. |
| 04:46.18 | spldart | Guess I was wrong. |
| 04:46.31 | JeffM | naw, thats all bios IIRC |
| 04:46.35 | spldart | ic |
| 04:47.10 | JeffM | they didn't have to make new versions of windows for multi core systems |
| 04:48.43 | spldart | Heh.. I thought that the cpu update in windows auto update might have had something to do with that.... Again.. I assumed 8-0 |
| 04:49.04 | JeffM | that's to optimise |
| 04:49.11 | JeffM | basicly fix a clock issue |
| 04:49.14 | JeffM | still boot |
| 04:49.15 | spldart | ic |
| 04:49.38 | spldart | Ok... how bout this query... quad core.... Win XP pro? |
| 04:49.51 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:50.01 | JeffM | home runs a single CPU, N cores |
| 04:50.05 | spldart | couldn't remember if xp pro was limited to 2 cores |
| 04:50.07 | JeffM | pro runs 2 CPUs, N cores |
| 04:50.15 | spldart | Oh |
| 04:50.16 | JeffM | it's limited to 2 CPUs |
| 04:50.20 | JeffM | not cores |
| 04:50.26 | spldart | Ok |
| 04:51.54 | spldart | is resisting upgrading past win xp.... I'm so close to being windows free :- |
| 04:53.17 | JeffM | I highly doubt I could go linux only |
| 04:53.29 | JeffM | mostly due to lack of a good IDE/debuger |
| 04:56.22 | spldart | I understand. We all have are anchors ;).. Mine is the video editing/encoding appys |
| 04:56.35 | spldart | sry.. /fanboy |
| 05:00.58 | JeffM | I went to vista, I'm fine with it |
| 05:04.29 | *** join/#bzchat Sk3letr0n (n=437faeed@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 05:05.08 | spldart | I didn't wanna pay any more to microsquash if I didn't have to. meh |
| 05:05.29 | Sk3letr0n | can someone walk me through compiling 2.0.10 on windows XP, I hear that it takes a long process to get it done. so please can someone help me. |
| 05:06.10 | Sk3letr0n | is this the right channel? |
| 05:06.26 | short_circuit | This and #bzflag |
| 05:06.32 | short_circuit | But it's a bit quiet right now |
| 05:06.42 | Sk3letr0n | aww ok. thanks |
| 05:06.46 | short_circuit | Patience will prolly pay off :) |
| 05:07.10 | JeffM | Sk3letr0n: what compiler? |
| 05:07.12 | short_circuit | And yeah.. trunk is alot easier than head to build in windows |
| 05:07.44 | Sk3letr0n | ooooh good your the guy from the post, thats why I orgiginally game in here but I didn't see you :D |
| 05:08.14 | Sk3letr0n | I have MS Visual C++ Express 2008 |
| 05:08.24 | JeffM | wont' work for 2.0.x |
| 05:08.27 | JeffM | you need 2005 |
| 05:08.35 | JeffM | and the direct X SDK from april 2007 |
| 05:08.46 | JeffM | and libcurl |
| 05:09.04 | Sk3letr0n | can you walk me through them like one by one? |
| 05:09.14 | Sk3letr0n | not in detail just telling me what to get |
| 05:09.20 | JeffM | get those things |
| 05:09.51 | JeffM | where did you get 2008 from? |
| 05:10.25 | Sk3letr0n | http://www.microsoft.com/express/vc/ |
| 05:10.28 | JeffM | http://www.microsoft.com/express/2005/ |
| 05:10.39 | JeffM | then you need the platform SDK and the directX SDK |
| 05:10.54 | JeffM | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0BAF2B35-C656-4969-ACE8-E4C0C0716ADB&displaylang=en |
| 05:11.15 | JeffM | and http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?DisplayLang=en&FamilyID=86cf7fa2-e953-475c-abde-f016e4f7b61a |
| 05:11.39 | JeffM | then you have to choose if you want to build your own libcurl, or use a premade version |
| 05:11.54 | Sk3letr0n | ok, just a sec I need to take the old VC++ off then install teh new one then I'll come back |
| 05:12.05 | JeffM | what do you need to build for? |
| 05:12.16 | Sk3letr0n | what do you mean? |
| 05:12.25 | JeffM | why do you want to build your own version? |
| 05:12.48 | Sk3letr0n | http://bzfcheat.blogspot.com/ |
| 05:12.53 | Sk3letr0n | for those |
| 05:12.53 | JeffM | bye |
| 05:12.59 | JeffM | we don't help cheaters |
| 05:13.02 | JeffM | leave now |
| 05:13.15 | Sk3letr0n | no but I don't know how to do those |
| 05:13.18 | short_circuit | :( |
| 05:13.23 | JeffM | cheating is bad |
| 05:13.27 | JeffM | I will now ban you |
| 05:13.31 | Sk3letr0n | no it' snot lik that |
| 05:13.32 | short_circuit | Adios |
| 05:13.33 | JeffM | cheating ruins the game |
| 05:13.37 | JeffM | why do you want to cheat? |
| 05:13.42 | blast007 | Sk3letr0n: have fun trying to play on any popular servers now! |
| 05:13.48 | blast007 | goes to start banning |
| 05:13.53 | Sk3letr0n | no I don't want to cheat |
| 05:14.05 | JeffM | yet you just pointed to a cheat site? |
| 05:14.07 | short_circuit | I can't think of any other reason for the link |
| 05:14.22 | JeffM | can you see WHY we would draw THAT conclusion? |
| 05:14.45 | Sk3letr0n | no I don't want to add any of the invincable stuff or anything |
| 05:14.53 | JeffM | what do you want to do? |
| 05:14.53 | Sk3letr0n | just so I can add an auto pilot |
| 05:14.59 | JeffM | we have auto pilot? |
| 05:15.08 | JeffM | why do you need a cheat site to use it? |
| 05:15.27 | Sk3letr0n | do add it on |
| 05:15.30 | Sk3letr0n | *to |
| 05:15.42 | JeffM | you want to use it on servers that disallow it? |
| 05:15.51 | Sk3letr0n | no |
| 05:16.04 | Sk3letr0n | I just want to have autopilot |
| 05:16.04 | JeffM | then why do you need the cheat site? |
| 05:16.10 | JeffM | hit F9 then |
| 05:16.18 | JeffM | it's STANDARD |
| 05:16.20 | blast007 | not F9, just 9 |
| 05:16.23 | Sk3letr0n | I tried that and it doens't do anything |
| 05:16.24 | JeffM | yeah sorry |
| 05:16.26 | JeffM | 9 |
| 05:16.32 | JeffM | the server you are on probably disallows it |
| 05:16.35 | blast007 | some servers don't allow it |
| 05:16.37 | Sk3letr0n | hmm ok I'll go try thart |
| 05:16.38 | blast007 | like mine |
| 05:16.44 | JeffM | you do not have to cheat to use features |
| 05:16.48 | JeffM | that site is bad |
| 05:16.51 | JeffM | very bad |
| 05:17.05 | JeffM | anything you use from there will get you banned |
| 05:17.07 | blast007 | just mentioning it got you banned from my server |
| 05:17.14 | Sk3letr0n | oh... I thought it was allowed |
| 05:17.18 | blast007 | no |
| 05:17.18 | JeffM | nope |
| 05:17.21 | JeffM | hence "CHEAT" |
| 05:17.28 | JeffM | if it was allowed it would not be a cheat |
| 05:17.31 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 05:17.36 | blast007 | cheating in multiplayer games is highly frowned upon |
| 05:17.47 | Sk3letr0n | I just figured it was like modifying the stuff on there and bzflag allows it |
| 05:17.55 | blast007 | allow it, sure |
| 05:18.04 | JeffM | not all mods are cheats, but all cheats are mods |
| 05:18.08 | Sk3letr0n | oh I'm sorry for posting a link |
| 05:18.13 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 05:18.20 | Sk3letr0n | 15 |
| 05:18.22 | blast007 | you're free to make your own version of the game. but when you run that on the same servers and have advantages built into it, you will be removed from those servers |
| 05:18.32 | JeffM | I highly recomend you stay away from cheaters |
| 05:18.41 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:18.47 | JeffM | you can mod the game for your own uses as you see fit |
| 05:18.58 | JeffM | but that dosn't mean we have to allow you on our services, or help you do it |
| 05:19.06 | JeffM | hence why I asked what you wanted to do with it |
| 05:19.29 | *** join/#bzchat a_meteorite (n=a_meteor@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001) |
| 05:19.35 | Sk3letr0n | oh ok I see |
| 05:19.40 | *** join/#bzchat Constitution (n=const@unaffiliated/macsforme) |
| 05:19.55 | Sk3letr0n | I just started playing last week :D |
| 05:20.02 | Sk3letr0n | I'm new to all this stuff |
| 05:20.58 | a_meteorite | and you discovered the blog how? |
| 05:21.12 | a_meteorite | it's not well advertised and for good reason |
| 05:21.32 | JeffM | someone is talking I see |
| 05:21.41 | Sk3letr0n | google |
| 05:21.48 | JeffM | and what did you search for? |
| 05:21.52 | Sk3letr0n | I searched for autopilot |
| 05:22.16 | blast007 | heh, guess that is on there.. |
| 05:22.19 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 05:22.22 | Sk3letr0n | "how to use autopilot on BZFlag |
| 05:22.24 | a_meteorite | interesting |
| 05:22.30 | Sk3letr0n | or something like that |
| 05:22.49 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:22.53 | a_meteorite | yup.. |
| 05:22.54 | JeffM | cheating is bad |
| 05:23.01 | JeffM | hence why it is called CHEATING |
| 05:23.03 | short_circuit | third hit "Want to use autopilot on maps that disable it" |
| 05:23.27 | short_circuit | Ok.. not quite the same search entry... but yeah.. same problem |
| 05:24.10 | Sk3letr0n | mhm.. |
| 05:24.20 | short_circuit | Not any difference in that and the 'enable radar on maps that disable it' |
| 05:24.26 | short_circuit | that I can see |
| 05:24.32 | short_circuit | and that is definitely cheating |
| 05:27.32 | Sk3letr0n | yay it worked! |
| 05:28.07 | Sk3letr0n | it's because I was trying F9 instead of 9 |
| 05:28.16 | Sk3letr0n | :P |
| 05:28.54 | JeffM | so basicly instead of reading the instructons, you went right for the cheat |
| 05:29.18 | Sk3letr0n | I looked in the instructions... |
| 05:29.42 | Sk3letr0n | but I didn't know it was a cheat I thought it just enabled it |
| 05:29.52 | JeffM | on a site named cheats |
| 05:30.24 | JeffM | for the future you can see all the keys in game by going to the settings menu and then the controls sections |
| 05:30.31 | Sk3letr0n | well just because it says cheats didn't mean it was bad stuff I didn't know |
| 05:30.48 | Sk3letr0n | how do I get to the setting menu? |
| 05:30.48 | short_circuit | >:-[ |
| 05:31.37 | JeffM | when you start the game.. what do you see? |
| 05:31.44 | blast007 | Options > Input Settings > Change Key Mapping |
| 05:31.50 | blast007 | or just got to Help |
| 05:32.05 | blast007 | there's key mappings if you scroll through (or it might be the first item... I forget) |
| 05:32.18 | blast007 | yeah, first item |
| 05:32.22 | JeffM | you need to use your noggin a bit and look around |
| 05:32.29 | Sk3letr0n | ohhhh I never went into that stuff before, I'll try it :D |
| 05:32.44 | blast007 | BAM, tells right on the *Help* screen how to activate autopilot |
| 05:32.46 | blast007 | how helpful |
| 05:34.08 | Sk3letr0n | 03test |
| 05:34.17 | short_circuit | How about no. |
| 05:34.20 | blast007 | please don't use color.. |
| 05:34.51 | Sk3letr0n | ok I'm sorry I was trying to change my name color |
| 05:34.55 | blast007 | this isn't AOL Instant Pesterer |
| 05:34.56 | JeffM | you don't |
| 05:34.58 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:36.42 | Sk3letr0n | howcome yours was orange? |
| 05:37.03 | JeffM | each name is a different color |
| 05:37.07 | JeffM | it's random on your client |
| 05:37.10 | JeffM | you do not set it |
| 05:37.25 | Sk3letr0n | for me they're all black |
| 05:37.56 | JeffM | you are on the CGI IRC client, you don't have that controll |
| 05:38.20 | blast007 | it was probably orange because we said your nickname |
| 05:38.26 | blast007 | it's called a highlight |
| 05:38.30 | a_meteorite | or ping |
| 05:38.56 | Sk3letr0n | yea you were saying my name :P |
| 05:40.49 | Sk3letr0n | almost done installing V C++ 05 |
| 05:41.02 | JeffM | I'm not going to help you build |
| 05:41.05 | JeffM | you don't need it |
| 05:41.26 | Sk3letr0n | I know |
| 05:41.33 | JeffM | and I don't belive you |
| 05:41.38 | short_circuit | Dude. Really. This isn't the way you wanna get started into the bzflag community. |
| 05:41.47 | Sk3letr0n | I'm gonna try and do it myself |
| 05:42.07 | short_circuit | without hacks and cheats? |
| 05:42.41 | Sk3letr0n | yes, I just wanna see how to do it so I know :) |
| 05:43.20 | JeffM | how much C++ do you know? |
| 05:44.24 | Sk3letr0n | none, I asked my friend who used to be a C++ programmer but he said he forgot... :S, I only know the web stuff, html,php,javascript,ajax, so on |
| 05:46.01 | Sk3letr0n | I just got VB6 though so it's all new to me :P |
| 05:47.37 | Sk3letr0n | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0BAF2B35-C656-4969-ACE8-E4C0C0716ADB&displaylang=en |
| 05:47.38 | JeffM | the build system is not documented for 2.0.x |
| 05:47.52 | Sk3letr0n | thats for the server thingy... |
| 05:48.09 | JeffM | if you say so |
| 05:48.18 | Sk3letr0n | I need that to compile it? |
| 05:48.28 | JeffM | I don't know |
| 05:49.21 | Sk3letr0n | I see what your doing.... :) |
| 05:49.30 | JeffM | really? |
| 05:49.32 | JeffM | wow |
| 05:49.45 | JeffM | you can use your brain then |
| 05:49.54 | JeffM | good job, then the rest should be simple for you |
| 05:50.03 | Sk3letr0n | :) |
| 05:52.02 | Sk3letr0n | I don' tknow why your acting like that, I'm not even trying to cheat |
| 05:52.02 | short_circuit | is gonna run scifi all night just to enjoy the new monitor :-p |
| 05:52.20 | short_circuit | I know why. And you should stop |
| 05:52.39 | short_circuit | If it were my choice you would have been.. well.... |
| 05:52.50 | short_circuit | tossed |
| 05:52.59 | Sk3letr0n | stop what?!?!?!? |
| 05:53.17 | JeffM | prety much it all |
| 05:53.23 | JeffM | you arn't going to get any help here |
| 05:54.45 | Sk3letr0n | it's ok I don't need any |
| 05:54.57 | JeffM | i'm sure you don't |
| 05:55.09 | Sk3letr0n | be right back |
| 05:55.16 | short_circuit | :-/ |
| 05:55.18 | JeffM | why? |
| 05:55.42 | *** join/#bzchat Sk3letr0n (n=437faeed@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 05:56.43 | Sk3letr0n | back |
| 05:57.31 | Sk3letr0n | uhg 14 more hours of downloading |
| 05:57.32 | blast007 | I'd say "welcome back", but that assumes you're welcome |
| 05:57.53 | short_circuit | Please... No play by play either.. |
| 05:58.09 | Sk3letr0n | what is play by play? |
| 05:58.49 | short_circuit | I'm leaving, I'm back... I'm downloading.... |
| 05:59.00 | short_circuit | It's so. 15 y/o |
| 05:59.09 | short_circuit | remember what I said about patience. |
| 05:59.21 | Sk3letr0n | you don't make any sence :P |
| 05:59.25 | *** join/#bzchat jeffm2501 (n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 05:59.25 | *** mode/#bzchat [+o jeffm2501] by ChanServ |
| 06:00.46 | Sk3letr0n | and I left because my internet got slow so I reloaded the page |
| 06:00.52 | Sk3letr0n | then I was back |
| 06:00.58 | jeffm2501 | we don't realy care |
| 06:01.22 | jeffm2501 | what you do with your own stuff is your own biz not ours so there is no reason to tell us |
| 06:01.23 | Sk3letr0n | me neither but I don't have anything else to do |
| 06:01.53 | jeffm2501 | that dosn't mean that you should go babble about stuff to everyone else |
| 06:02.10 | short_circuit | There are plenty of total OT channels on irc :) |
| 06:02.20 | short_circuit | And they are much faster paced than this |
| 06:02.27 | short_circuit | join and have a ball :) |
| 06:02.35 | Sk3letr0n | it's ok, all I have is time on my hands |
| 06:02.38 | jeffm2501 | yeah go to effnet, where kids your age hang out |
| 06:02.47 | Sk3letr0n | if I didn't I would have never stared playing bzflag |
| 06:03.03 | jeffm2501 | so just because you have time, you feel you must subject others to your babble? |
| 06:03.05 | Sk3letr0n | and efnet is boring |
| 06:03.19 | blast007 | more boring than this channel? |
| 06:03.29 | Sk3letr0n | most of them |
| 06:03.33 | jeffm2501 | so you know of efnet, yet use the CGI IRC.. interesting |
| 06:03.48 | Sk3letr0n | no I'm on my pc |
| 06:03.52 | Sk3letr0n | I just got it |
| 06:03.58 | jeffm2501 | smells like methane to me |
| 06:03.58 | short_circuit | No reason to be insulting. Sk.... I'm outty 500 |
| 06:04.00 | Sk3letr0n | I used to use a mac so all my stuff is on there |
| 06:04.07 | jeffm2501 | riiiiggghhhtttt |
| 06:04.39 | Sk3letr0n | and if I still had my wonderfull mac I wouldn't be in here asking for help |
| 06:04.55 | jeffm2501 | cus you are an xcode genius? |
| 06:05.15 | Sk3letr0n | yes |
| 06:05.32 | short_circuit | script kiddie what? |
| 06:05.44 | jeffm2501 | cool, what do you find is the best way to disable the X libraries? |
| 06:05.48 | Sk3letr0n | no I'm just kidding, because the only good tutorial I can find is for mac |
| 06:06.04 | Sk3letr0n | so it makes me wish I still had my mac |
| 06:06.14 | jeffm2501 | yeah that'd be bs as well |
| 06:06.45 | Sk3letr0n | no really I was even thinking of sticking it back up to get my files off of it |
| 06:06.52 | a_meteorite | we are professional bs detectors |
| 06:06.53 | Sk3letr0n | I might be on it later |
| 06:07.14 | Sk3letr0n | well I don't really care :) |
| 06:07.20 | Sk3letr0n | you must suck at it then |
| 06:07.27 | Sk3letr0n | because there is no bs here |
| 06:07.31 | Sk3letr0n | :) |
| 06:07.36 | Sk3letr0n | :D |
| 06:07.41 | Sk3letr0n | XD |
| 06:07.47 | a_meteorite | your smilies are less than entertaining. really. |
| 06:08.01 | jeffm2501 | please act mature |
| 06:08.23 | Sk3letr0n | I wish I could |
| 06:08.28 | Sk3letr0n | I'm trying to |
| 06:08.33 | jeffm2501 | bull |
| 06:08.43 | Sk3letr0n | lol |
| 06:08.47 | short_circuit | ish..... ooOOoo |
| 06:08.53 | short_circuit | excuse me |
| 06:10.07 | Sk3letr0n | download is at 31% |
| 06:10.24 | jeffm2501 | we don't care |
| 06:10.34 | Sk3letr0n | me neither |
| 06:10.43 | jeffm2501 | stop or be removed |
| 06:10.47 | jeffm2501 | it's as simple as that |
| 06:10.51 | Sk3letr0n | stop what? |
| 06:10.56 | jeffm2501 | anoying everyone |
| 06:10.58 | Sk3letr0n | I'm not doing anything |
| 06:11.11 | a_meteorite | what you're doing is what most rebellious teenagers do. |
| 06:11.20 | Sk3letr0n | and who is everyone? you and yourself and the rest of yourself? |
| 06:11.20 | jeffm2501 | we have told you that we don't need a play by play and yet you still do it |
| 06:11.26 | jeffm2501 | bye bye |
| 06:11.31 | Sk3letr0n | bye |
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| 06:11.51 | short_circuit | Thank you :) |
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| 06:14.56 | Skeletron | thats not fair I'm not doing anything! |
| 06:15.06 | a_meteorite | jeffm2501: ping |
| 06:15.18 | jeffm2501 | Skeletron, who said life was fair |
| 06:15.25 | Skeletron | no one |
| 06:15.34 | Skeletron | but it's not life |
| 06:15.39 | Skeletron | it's called irc |
| 06:15.43 | jeffm2501 | then why assume that private propety has to follow your ruels for life |
| 06:15.43 | Skeletron | :D |
| 06:15.44 | a_meteorite | it's a subset of life |
| 06:16.15 | Skeletron | :/ |
| 06:16.32 | jeffm2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 06:16.48 | Skeletron | why thank you |
| 06:16.49 | jeffm2501 | treat people like children,get treated like a child |
| 06:16.52 | jeffm2501 | it's as simple as that |
| 06:17.23 | Skeletron | Download is at 46% |
| 06:17.25 | Skeletron | :D |
| 06:17.28 | jeffm2501 | bye |
| 06:17.31 | jeffm2501 | for good |
| 06:17.32 | Skeletron | bye |
| 06:17.40 | Skeletron | where are you going? |
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| 06:17.49 | blast007 | lol.. |
| 06:18.19 | a_meteorite | spunky |
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| 08:53.42 | bz87 | hi can someone help me? |
| 08:54.00 | blast007 | Seek professional help. |
| 08:54.22 | bz87 | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 08:55.01 | blast007 | ask your mom |
| 08:55.23 | bz87 | lol no thanks |
| 08:58.21 | ruskie | this was a fun read... great enternatinment value... |
| 08:58.41 | ruskie | should get posted on the "the not so great irc moments" wiki page ;) |
| 09:00.01 | bz87 | can you help me? |
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| 09:02.03 | ruskie | not really... I detest non-Free software... |
| 09:02.41 | bz87 | please? |
| 09:03.09 | blast007 | no thanks |
| 09:03.10 | brad | what do you need? |
| 09:03.23 | bz87 | I don' tknow how to compile the source |
| 09:03.25 | blast007 | he needs help compiling bzflag so he can write a cheat client |
| 09:03.35 | bz87 | thats not true! |
| 09:03.41 | ruskie | or use a cheat client... |
| 09:03.41 | bz87 | how many times do I have to tell you! |
| 09:03.59 | blast007 | get your "C++ friend" to help you |
| 09:04.06 | bz87 | all of you guys have been saying that since I came on here, I just need help |
| 09:04.09 | blast007 | oh, but wait, he has never compiled anything! |
| 09:04.14 | brad | oh. |
| 09:04.21 | bz87 | just because i ask you guys all think that I'm trying to cheat |
| 09:04.37 | blast007 | no, we think you want to cheat because you linked to a cheat blog |
| 09:04.40 | ruskie | blast007, sadly c++ or any language doesn't much help when it comes to compiling... since build systems tend to be a completly different matter |
| 09:04.41 | brad | ~fail bz87 |
| 09:04.42 | infobot | bz87, you Fail! |
| 09:04.53 | bz87 | yea well did you see the post that I linked to |
| 09:05.11 | bz87 | it wasn't even a cheat |
| 09:05.11 | blast007 | no, but do not link to it again |
| 09:05.24 | bz87 | maybe I should so you can stop accusing me |
| 09:07.00 | blast007 | you do realize that if you continue on this path, chances are you won't be playing BZFlag anymore |
| 09:07.25 | bz87 | thats the thing I'm not even doing anything wrong |
| 09:07.32 | bz87 | and you keep saying things like that |
| 09:07.54 | bz87 | oh, I know why because I asked for help |
| 09:07.57 | bz87 | is that it? |
| 09:08.29 | bz87 | if you guys are so paranoide about people cheating that you can't tell someone how to compile the source then why do you offer it for download? |
| 09:08.53 | bz87 | why don't you just stop offering the source to people |
| 09:08.54 | blast007 | you have a binary build of the latest version |
| 09:08.58 | blast007 | you don't need to build the source |
| 09:09.09 | bz87 | yes I do |
| 09:09.13 | blast007 | why? |
| 09:09.17 | blast007 | 00:08:42 < JeffM> why do you want to build your own version? |
| 09:09.17 | blast007 | 00:09:04 < Sk3letr0n> http://**********.blogspot.com/ |
| 09:09.17 | blast007 | 00:09:09 < Sk3letr0n> for those |
| 09:09.33 | bz87 | why don't you show the posts after that? |
| 09:09.37 | blast007 | "those", as in, more than one |
| 09:09.39 | ruskie | bz87, mistake 1) you linked to a cheat client 2) you keep being annoying 3) you keep insisting on being annoying |
| 09:10.11 | bz87 | no I didn't why don't you check a little further down the chat log |
| 09:10.32 | bz87 | just show the two things I said that actually look bad |
| 09:10.37 | bz87 | but they arent |
| 09:10.38 | ruskie | bz87, I did read all the backlog... |
| 09:10.47 | ruskie | it was great entertainment |
| 09:11.06 | bz87 | good then stop acting like I'm trying to cheat just because i linked to that site |
| 09:11.11 | blast007 | even after we solved your issue (not being able to run autopilot), you still wanted to compile the source code |
| 09:11.34 | bz87 | yea because I want to learn how |
| 09:11.35 | ruskie | blast007, well some try to do it just because they can |
| 09:11.39 | blast007 | you want to enhance the autopilot now? |
| 09:11.46 | blast007 | I don't think you are capable of that |
| 09:11.48 | bz87 | did you see me say I'm trying to learn basic and c++ |
| 09:11.59 | blast007 | BZFlag is not the way to learn C++ |
| 09:12.04 | blast007 | the code is old and messy |
| 09:12.04 | ruskie | bz87, well you just said the key bit "learn" but for learning you actually need to put in effort |
| 09:12.07 | blast007 | and not very good :P |
| 09:12.16 | ruskie | not get stuff served to you on a silver platter |
| 09:12.23 | blast007 | so it's a bad place to learn how to code |
| 09:12.46 | ruskie | also vb and c++ ?? erm.. do those even have anything remotely in common... |
| 09:12.55 | bz87 | I don't wanna learn how to code with bzflag I want to see how to compile something |
| 09:13.09 | bz87 | no they don't |
| 09:13.21 | ruskie | bz87, search for hello world example compile in $IDE |
| 09:13.30 | bz87 | already did |
| 09:13.34 | bz87 | it makes no sence |
| 09:13.49 | bz87 | so why do you think I'm asking ho to compile something, |
| 09:14.22 | bz87 | in me and blast's last convo I'm not even askig for him to show me how to compile bzflag source, I just want him to show me how to compile |
| 09:14.51 | ruskie | well you gave no clues as to that you tried searching already... |
| 09:14.51 | bz87 | and you can go ahead and check the logs too |
| 09:14.58 | Constitution | there are tutorials on the internet for that... go read them |
| 09:15.21 | ruskie | anyway got things to do that are rated a tad higher than mindless conversations on irc... |
| 09:15.32 | bz87 | I've googled and looked at them all and half of the search resulst are from a bzflag cheat site |
| 09:16.15 | bz87 | the only post that people say made sence gives a 404 when I try to go to it |
| 09:16.26 | Constitution | then you googled for the wrong thing |
| 09:16.54 | bz87 | nope |
| 09:17.38 | Constitution | yep |
| 09:17.43 | bz87 | nope |
| 09:18.56 | bz87 | can I ask you something? just forget all the rest of everything this is a separate question. |
| 09:19.19 | brad | Just ask the question, don't ask to ask ;) |
| 09:19.26 | brad | if someone wants to answer they will |
| 09:20.01 | bz87 | what is the purpose of offering the source to download? what are people that download it "meant" to do with it? |
| 09:20.29 | brad | they can do whatever they want with it so long as they keep within the liscence |
| 09:20.49 | brad | usually people improve the game and submit "patches" to the dev team |
| 09:21.14 | brad | or they might need it for compiling on an obscure OS... |
| 09:21.28 | brad | or maybe they just want to try out the latest code .. |
| 09:22.13 | brad | cheating will get you hated within the community, and usually ends up with a perm ban from all servers |
| 09:22.33 | bz87 | ok well, what if I wanted to try out the latest code? do you guys act all the same about all this just because I ask how to compile it? I mean if everything else never happened? |
| 09:22.38 | Constitution | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software |
| 09:23.14 | brad | No-one will help you to compile now that you have suggested you want to cheat, you will have to find out for yourself |
| 09:23.38 | brad | when you do find out come here and tell us so we can ban you please |
| 09:23.57 | bz87 | I never suggested that I wanted to cheat and I'm not asking for anyone's help compiling it |
| 09:24.24 | brad | the evidence says otherwise! |
| 09:24.42 | bz87 | oh yea, and what evidence is that? |
| 09:25.08 | brad | the bit where you posted a link to a cheating website :P |
| 09:25.19 | brad | as you already know |
| 09:25.24 | brad | so I'm gonna give up now |
| 09:25.41 | bz87 | yea well you didn't see what I said after that. and what a coincidence they didn't copy paste that part if it did they? |
| 09:26.09 | bz87 | just because I linked to that site it automatically means I'm trying to cheat? |
| 09:26.56 | bz87 | don't worry I'll be back in exactly 6 more days and I'll ask again. but you won't know it's me. |
| 09:27.21 | bz87 | or maybe it will be 10 days... |
| 09:27.34 | bz87 | how about I suprise you! |
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| 09:27.55 | ruskie | how about you stop bothering.. if you have 10 days time you should be able to figure it out |
| 09:29.00 | ruskie | seems his ips are from california... |
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| 14:49.43 | Winny | lol what a special person up there |
| 14:50.33 | Winny | ruskie: might of been nightmare |
| 14:50.51 | Winny | he was irvnca.sbcglobal.net |
| 14:51.37 | ruskie | well I only calculated the ips from hex... and ran them through geoip |
| 14:52.32 | Winny | <Argooon> 44785119 is 68.120.81.25 (adsl-68-120-81-25.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net |
| 14:52.35 | think_tank | same city, doubtful same person tho |
| 14:52.47 | Winny | think_tank, it's very likely |
| 14:52.58 | Winny | 2 people wanting to cheat from the same city? |
| 14:53.12 | ruskie | why not |
| 14:53.30 | think_tank | irvine is a big city |
| 14:53.58 | think_tank | i really doubt it's nightmare though |
| 14:54.10 | Winny | so is toronto, but thumper is the only one from it |
| 14:54.36 | ruskie | hmm I wonder if when ipv6 is here everyone will have static ips... |
| 14:54.46 | think_tank | also doubtful |
| 14:56.34 | Winny | it's likely two people are from the same city, but that both of them cheat? not very |
| 14:56.51 | ruskie | why not... |
| 14:57.24 | think_tank | skelator is a confirmed cheater? |
| 14:57.32 | think_tank | wannabe |
| 14:58.25 | think_tank | either way, the convo did not share any characteristics with nightmare's style |
| 14:59.53 | think_tank | plus nightmare uses a different provider, different client, never used a mac, etc |
| 15:01.55 | Winny | how do you know he didn't get a new host? |
| 15:02.00 | ruskie | or used a proxy |
| 15:02.06 | Winny | the old one is banned just about everywhere |
| 15:02.15 | Winny | and how do you know he's telling the truth about the mac? |
| 15:03.22 | think_tank | i don't *know* anything of the sorts. i'm saying it is highly unlikely that the two are the same though |
| 15:04.01 | think_tank | i have a pretty good handle on nightmare's M.O. |
| 15:04.35 | Winny | it's very easy to act like someone |
| 15:04.46 | think_tank | if skelacheat's ip had come back to any other city we wouldn't be having this convo ;) |
| 15:05.12 | Winny | uh I know that's why we're having this dicussion |
| 15:05.28 | Winny | that's like saying "if you hadn't been born we wouldn't be talking!!!" |
| 15:05.31 | think_tank | but that's the only potential link |
| 15:05.47 | Winny | heh |
| 15:05.52 | think_tank | :P |
| 15:06.08 | think_tank | nothing else that this dude did would cause you to think he's nightmare |
| 15:06.13 | think_tank | just the resolved ip :) |
| 15:06.31 | Winny | indeed, because everything else can be changed by the user |
| 15:06.57 | think_tank | nightmare isn't *that* smart ;) |
| 15:07.40 | Winny | getting a new provider is hard? |
| 15:07.50 | think_tank | why would nightmare be trying to find out how to cheat? |
| 15:08.34 | Winny | uh to irritate us |
| 15:08.42 | Winny | which he clearly succeeded at doing |
| 15:11.04 | think_tank | shrugs and yields |
| 15:11.09 | Winny | \o/ |
| 15:11.36 | think_tank | :P |
| 15:12.40 | think_tank | i haz a check for $10,000 US in front of me. it's the largest check i've ever seen |
| 15:12.57 | think_tank | i go deposit. bbl |
| 15:13.39 | Winny | where do you live? |
| 15:14.33 | Winny | :p |
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| 18:34.32 | Winny | hehehe... http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/HairyTank.jpg |
| 18:39.52 | blast007 | that's just wrong looking |
| 18:40.08 | Winny | the URL or the image? ;) |
| 18:40.13 | blast007 | image |
| 18:41.09 | Winny | :) |
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