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| 00:06.13 | eeeeoooo | I need help |
| 00:08.26 | blast007 | ok |
| 00:08.28 | Winny | you again? |
| 00:09.09 | eeeeoooo | me? |
| 00:09.23 | blast007 | eeeeoooo: need help compiling, right? |
| 00:09.27 | Winny | Yeah. You know, came here yesterday asking how to compile and cheat |
| 00:09.47 | eeeeoooo | no Im don't need help compiling |
| 00:10.07 | blast007 | k, what's up? |
| 00:10.28 | eeeeoooo | how do I make a server to play on? |
| 00:10.46 | Winny | read the forums and wiki |
| 00:10.58 | eeeeoooo | I did and they don't make sence |
| 00:11.01 | blast007 | you can run bzfs for that |
| 00:11.23 | blast007 | there is no nice tool for it |
| 00:11.24 | eeeeoooo | what is bzfs? |
| 00:11.49 | blast007 | it is nit trivial to run a server |
| 00:11.54 | blast007 | not* |
| 00:12.08 | eeeeoooo | theres too many files and I don't get it, what is the configuration wizzard for? |
| 00:12.16 | blast007 | bzfs iss the server binary |
| 00:12.27 | eeeeoooo | so how do I use it? |
| 00:12.37 | blast007 | command line |
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| 00:13.06 | eeeeoooo | can you walk me through it so I know how to do it next time? |
| 00:13.12 | blast007 | no |
| 00:13.16 | eeeeoooo | please? |
| 00:13.32 | blast007 | please do some research on your own |
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| 00:13.48 | Think_Differentl | the wiki is your friend. you will become a master if you learn to use it. |
| 00:13.53 | eeeeoooo | I have I've even googled and and watched a vid on youtuve that didn't make sence |
| 00:14.07 | blast007 | youtube? eh.. |
| 00:14.22 | eeeeoooo | yes there was a video how to make a server |
| 00:14.34 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 00:14.37 | eeeeoooo | but the text in the vid was too small |
| 00:14.45 | eeeeoooo | and it was only like 20 seconds |
| 00:14.57 | blast007 | go there and read |
| 00:15.09 | blast007 | that is our wiki |
| 00:15.21 | eeeeoooo | I already did, it's too complicated and it doesn't make any sence |
| 00:15.30 | Winny | well then you shouldn't be running a server |
| 00:15.33 | Think_Differentl | then you won't run a server. |
| 00:15.38 | AHA | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Creating_A_Server |
| 00:15.40 | eeeeoooo | but I want to |
| 00:15.42 | AHA | thats not compliated |
| 00:15.46 | blast007 | too bad |
| 00:15.46 | eeeeoooo | thats why I asked in here for someone to help me |
| 00:15.51 | Winny | and I want 10,000,000 dollars |
| 00:16.05 | Think_Differentl | and i'd like help getting that 10,000,000 too! |
| 00:16.20 | eeeeoooo | yea well you can give me what I want, so using that as an example isn't the same |
| 00:16.45 | Winny | someone could give me 10 million |
| 00:16.45 | blast007 | bzfs -conf config.txt |
| 00:16.47 | eeeeoooo | it's not like helping me impossible |
| 00:16.48 | Winny | but they don't |
| 00:16.48 | Think_Differentl | there isn't much point of running a server if you don't know how to run it. |
| 00:17.06 | eeeeoooo | no because I want to practice |
| 00:17.06 | Think_Differentl | it's not like following the instructions is impossible |
| 00:17.18 | eeeeoooo | just a plain server with no objects or anything |
| 00:17.19 | blast007 | eeeeoooo: practice then |
| 00:17.31 | blast007 | just run bzfs then |
| 00:17.34 | eeeeoooo | all of the servers don't allow bots though |
| 00:17.46 | Think_Differentl | if you learn to read instructions and do a bit of trial and error, you'll learn. |
| 00:17.47 | blast007 | that will start a server on port 5154 |
| 00:17.53 | Think_Differentl | that IS what you want, no? |
| 00:18.24 | eeeeoooo | but I don't understand |
| 00:18.31 | blast007 | ok |
| 00:18.37 | blast007 | that's nice |
| 00:18.44 | blast007 | learn |
| 00:18.54 | Think_Differentl | you want to learn, do some research |
| 00:18.55 | blast007 | eexperriment |
| 00:19.07 | eeeeoooo | duh what do you think i've been trying to do, I only came back in here as a last resort |
| 00:19.12 | Winny | teachers don't give you the anwsers to your homework |
| 00:19.14 | blast007 | larts the stylus |
| 00:19.15 | Winny | they make you try |
| 00:19.24 | Winny | search the forums |
| 00:19.33 | eeeeoooo | I DID!!!! |
| 00:19.34 | Winny | there have been hundreds of issues respoved |
| 00:19.38 | Think_Differentl | read the wiki |
| 00:19.40 | Winny | resolved even |
| 00:19.42 | Think_Differentl | do the steps |
| 00:19.47 | Think_Differentl | try and fail |
| 00:19.50 | Think_Differentl | then try and succeed. |
| 00:19.53 | eeeeoooo | but it doesn't make sence |
| 00:19.58 | Winny | sense* |
| 00:20.00 | Think_Differentl | sense |
| 00:20.06 | Think_Differentl | cents |
| 00:20.14 | Winny | it makes sense to the 200+ people who run servers |
| 00:20.27 | Winny | they had to start somewhere |
| 00:20.27 | eeeeoooo | you dont' make sence! |
| 00:20.42 | eeeeoooo | find I'll go try and if I don't get it i'm comming back!!!! |
| 00:20.53 | Winny | ooh scary. |
| 00:20.58 | Winny | I'm shaking in my boots. |
| 00:21.19 | Think_Differentl | eeeeoooo, try harder. |
| 00:21.20 | Constitution | *sense, *fine |
| 00:21.29 | Think_Differentl | coming, you missed one |
| 00:21.39 | Constitution | oh right |
| 00:22.29 | eeeeoooo | I don't get it, the more I try to make sence of it it gets more confusing!!!! |
| 00:22.43 | Winny | spelling properly might help |
| 00:22.57 | eeeeoooo | ok fine! I'll start watching my spelling! |
| 00:23.08 | eeeeoooo | can someone just help me? |
| 00:23.11 | Think_Differentl | eeeeoooo, i tried to run a server. but i didn't understand. i took some time off and then i came back and tried again, and it worked. |
| 00:23.35 | blast007 | anyway, ignoring the abusive comments... |
| 00:23.36 | Think_Differentl | turned out i had issues with the router/network setup on my machine (windows 98, woo) |
| 00:23.38 | blast007 | start out basic |
| 00:23.58 | blast007 | for example, learn how to start bzfs from a terminal (or Command Prompt, if you're on Windows) |
| 00:24.05 | eeeeoooo | can someone at least tell me what the first step is? |
| 00:24.22 | blast007 | you can test if it worked by joinning the server localhost on port 5154 |
| 00:24.27 | eeeeoooo | besides turning on my computer... |
| 00:24.51 | blast007 | after that, you can then start added paramaters like -ms 10 for adding 10 shots, and stuff like that |
| 00:24.54 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Creating_A_Server#Running_the_server |
| 00:25.07 | blast007 | there is a manual for bzfs provided with the installs of BZFlag |
| 00:25.16 | spldart | I want eleventy billion dollars. |
| 00:25.19 | blast007 | for Windows, it's an HTML page you can open from the start menu |
| 00:25.29 | blast007 | eeeeoooo: so, did you read what I just said here? |
| 00:25.29 | spldart | But that is just an aside |
| 00:25.52 | eeeeoooo | yes! I did! |
| 00:26.11 | spldart | methinks the movie national treasure 2 might be good right now |
| 00:26.14 | spldart | err |
| 00:26.20 | spldart | right after some more bzflag |
| 00:26.25 | blast007 | eeeeoooo: okay, so that should help you out |
| 00:26.30 | spldart | and eeeoooo gets kicked |
| 00:26.35 | eeeeoooo | I'll be right back!!! I'm going to go try that!!!! |
| 00:26.35 | blast007 | I would recommend *not* using that server configuration wizard |
| 00:26.54 | blast007 | cuz it does too much at once, and it's hard to figure out where the issues are at then |
| 00:27.21 | eeeeoooo | which server do I open? theres four different ones? |
| 00:27.55 | blast007 | no, not those |
| 00:28.05 | blast007 | you want to open a command prompt, and then CD to the right directory |
| 00:28.18 | blast007 | like, for instance, c:\program files\BZFlag2.0.10\ |
| 00:28.23 | blast007 | then in there, you can run "bzfs" |
| 00:28.50 | blast007 | if that part confuses you, you'll want to read up on the command prompt and the various commands |
| 00:29.10 | blast007 | google should link you to some good information for that |
| 00:29.35 | Think_Differentl | eeeeoooo, are you running windows? |
| 00:30.22 | eeeeoooo | yes |
| 00:30.46 | eeeeoooo | be right back I think I get it now |
| 00:30.49 | blast007 | k |
| 00:33.02 | eeeeoooo | "Error connecting to server" 1.do the "bzfs" thing in comand prompt and it says that it started, 2. the server is running right? |
| 00:33.25 | blast007 | it shouldn't say anything, actually |
| 00:33.25 | Winny | make sure you leave the command window open |
| 00:33.30 | blast007 | not without -d |
| 00:33.30 | eeeeoooo | then I tried connecting to "localhost" and it gave that error |
| 00:33.37 | blast007 | localhost on port 5154 ? |
| 00:34.04 | eeeeoooo | oh I left the command window open hold I'll try it again |
| 00:34.12 | blast007 | you want to leave that open |
| 00:34.22 | blast007 | otherwise it will stop the server |
| 00:34.55 | eeeeoooo | oh ok, well it's open and it has a paragraph about setting the speed limit and some other stuff |
| 00:35.04 | blast007 | ah, that's right, it will show that |
| 00:35.20 | Think_Differentl | try 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:35.21 | blast007 | so you should be able to connect to localhost as the server host, and 5154 as the port |
| 00:35.44 | eeeeoooo | hold on be right back |
| 00:39.36 | eeeeoooo | wow it actually works |
| 00:39.59 | eeeeoooo | but howcome theres a bunch of buildings and stuff in it? |
| 00:40.19 | eeeeoooo | shouldn't it just be empty? |
| 00:42.56 | eeeeoooo | I got kicked. didn't I? |
| 00:49.34 | AHA | eeeeoooo, it just generates a random map if you don't supply a map file |
| 00:49.40 | AHA | *suply ? |
| 00:49.45 | AHA | ~spell supply |
| 00:49.51 | AHA | mkay |
| 00:55.34 | eeeeoooo | you guys are the best! |
| 00:55.51 | eeeeoooo | I have another question |
| 00:56.30 | eeeeoooo | is it possible to run bzfs on a real server? |
| 00:56.40 | AHA | sure |
| 00:56.55 | eeeeoooo | really? thats awsome1 |
| 00:56.57 | AHA | you need to compile it, though |
| 00:57.15 | AHA | and, no, we won't tell you how to do that |
| 00:57.29 | eeeeoooo | aww... |
| 00:57.52 | eeeeoooo | so I can run it on a linux server? |
| 00:58.34 | AHA | sure |
| 00:58.48 | AHA | compiling on linux is much easier than on windows |
| 00:58.58 | AHA | and there is some documentation on it too |
| 00:59.30 | eeeeoooo | I don't have linux though |
| 00:59.49 | AHA | so why are you asking...? |
| 01:00.10 | eeeeoooo | because my server is linux |
| 01:00.42 | eeeeoooo | well actually it's not MY serber but I have hosting on it |
| 01:01.30 | AHA | eeeeoooo, does the owner of the server play bzflag? |
| 01:01.47 | eeeeoooo | no |
| 01:02.09 | eeeeoooo | http://www.siteground.com I have shared hosting |
| 01:02.11 | AHA | then i would suggest you talk to him before you try to compile bzflag and run servers |
| 01:02.14 | AHA | heh |
| 01:02.30 | AHA | you cant run bzflag with shared hosting |
| 01:02.43 | eeeeoooo | why not? |
| 01:02.57 | AHA | you need to be able to access terminal |
| 01:03.22 | eeeeoooo | awww man..... |
| 01:03.45 | eeeeoooo | I can get them to access it for me though |
| 01:03.49 | AHA | nope |
| 01:04.18 | AHA | chances are the server would be extreemly laggy because there are a lot of people pulling from the same resources |
| 01:04.27 | eeeeoooo | they're so stupid over there at siteground once I got them to run a patch on my cpanel from terminal |
| 01:04.55 | eeeeoooo | or ssh whatever it is |
| 01:04.57 | AHA | and they probably have something prohibiting game servers in their TOS |
| 01:05.30 | AHA | buttom line: you will not be able to run a bzflag server on shared hosting |
| 01:05.59 | AHA | you would need a dedicated server with ssh access |
| 01:06.10 | eeeeoooo | what about on an osx server? |
| 01:06.23 | AHA | or that |
| 01:06.44 | eeeeoooo | so if can I run it off of my mac? |
| 01:06.45 | AHA | dedicated servers are pretty expensive |
| 01:06.58 | AHA | you could run it off of your mac |
| 01:07.02 | Think_Differentl | a VPS should be fine... |
| 01:07.02 | AHA | but it wouldn't be 24/7 |
| 01:07.04 | AHA | and it would lag |
| 01:07.07 | AHA | Think_Differentl, umm |
| 01:07.07 | AHA | no |
| 01:07.10 | Think_Differentl | bzflag doesn't use much resources |
| 01:07.11 | AHA | look what happened to me :P |
| 01:07.15 | Think_Differentl | it's bandwidth |
| 01:07.37 | AHA | eeeeoooo, your ISP will probably complain if you start using too much bandwidth |
| 01:07.46 | eeeeoooo | howcome it wouldn't be 24/7? |
| 01:07.55 | AHA | when you shut off your computer, the server stops |
| 01:08.03 | AHA | or when you close the terminal |
| 01:08.04 | AHA | or log out |
| 01:08.23 | AHA | or any other time you lose your internet connection |
| 01:08.56 | AHA | you would probably only be able to have a 2-5 man server on standard DSL |
| 01:08.59 | AHA | brb |
| 01:09.10 | eeeeoooo | but what if I never shut it off? |
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| 01:11.56 | Think_Differentl | then you're fine... |
| 01:12.06 | Think_Differentl | but your connection most likely can't handle many players |
| 01:12.13 | eeeeoooo | sorry I had to restart FF |
| 01:12.25 | eeeeoooo | what were you saying? |
| 01:13.41 | eeeeoooo | is compiling a server different then compiling a client? |
| 01:14.28 | spldart | client requires more dependencies being met |
| 01:14.57 | eeeeoooo | I've tried two of the three readme's and the only one I havn't tried is the Dev C++ one but they don't make any sense |
| 01:15.53 | eeeeoooo | on the MinGW one I did everything up to the part where it said to get libCurl but I had no clue how to install it or anything else after that |
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| 01:16.03 | JDH1988 | hi all |
| 01:16.04 | Think_Differentl | ick. windows compiling >_< |
| 01:16.18 | spldart | Dude.. Your trying to build bzflag on MinGW?!!!?!?!?! |
| 01:16.19 | eeeeoooo | is it easier to compile on a mac? |
| 01:16.22 | spldart | Insta-fail |
| 01:16.43 | Winny | MinGW? Wow. |
| 01:16.43 | Think_Differentl | debian is the way to go due to apt for dependencies :P |
| 01:16.49 | Winny | use MSVC |
| 01:16.51 | JDH1988 | a guy banned me from his server, how do i get back on |
| 01:17.00 | Winny | you send him an email/PM |
| 01:17.06 | Winny | this is not the place to discuss bans |
| 01:17.14 | JDH1988 | why |
| 01:17.17 | Think_Differentl | JDH1988, server owners can ban whoever they want |
| 01:17.18 | spldart | Are we talking trunk or branch code here? |
| 01:17.20 | eeeeoooo | lol |
| 01:17.39 | JDH1988 | i just said a couple of words |
| 01:17.43 | Winny | so? |
| 01:17.44 | Think_Differentl | you can talk to them and discuss why you were banned/why you think you should be unbanned |
| 01:17.48 | spldart | Big deal dude |
| 01:17.51 | spldart | you were banned |
| 01:17.51 | Winny | we don't care. we don't deal with bans. |
| 01:17.57 | Winny | contact the server owner. |
| 01:17.59 | spldart | PM him |
| 01:18.19 | eeeeoooo | why did you get banned? |
| 01:18.20 | spldart | No |
| 01:18.28 | Winny | eeeeoooo: this is not the place to discuss it |
| 01:18.34 | spldart | x2 |
| 01:18.38 | eeeeoooo | fine fine, I was just curious |
| 01:18.43 | spldart | Don't be. |
| 01:19.00 | eeeeoooo | ok I'm sorry |
| 01:19.43 | spldart | I'll assume we are talking 2.0 branch.. windows isn't the easiest.. Linux is and Mac prolly isn't far behind. |
| 01:19.57 | spldart | Now trunk is great in windows |
| 01:20.02 | spldart | and the others |
| 01:20.34 | eeeeoooo | what are you guys talking about? |
| 01:20.42 | spldart | compiling |
| 01:20.55 | eeeeoooo | what is branch and trunk? |
| 01:21.04 | eeeeoooo | I don't get it |
| 01:21.04 | spldart | 2.0 - branch |
| 01:21.17 | spldart | latest code for next realease = trunk |
| 01:21.29 | spldart | I assume you want the 2.0.12 stuff |
| 01:21.46 | spldart | Well... windows isn't the easiest build for 2.0.x |
| 01:21.58 | eeeeoooo | thats what i've heard... :S |
| 01:22.12 | eeeeoooo | but the only other computer I have is a mac |
| 01:22.36 | eeeeoooo | be right back guys |
| 01:22.37 | spldart | I don't know mac but have heard it's got some similarities with linux so ask an apple head. :) |
| 01:23.20 | Think_Differentl | it's fine once you install your dependencies |
| 01:23.34 | Constitution | SDL is the only mac dependancy |
| 01:23.36 | Think_Differentl | but finding deps is the same way for windows. you have to google, download and then install :P |
| 01:23.58 | Think_Differentl | really? when i built i had to grab a bunch of things |
| 01:25.06 | Think_Differentl | perhaps it was due to the fact that i was running 10.4 |
| 01:27.12 | spldart | All I know is I banged my head on branch for a while in minGW. And linux cooperated nicely with an easy 8 or so dependencies that config practically walked me through. |
| 01:28.17 | eeeeoooo | back |
| 01:38.46 | eeeeoooo | is anyone still on? |
| 01:40.41 | eeeeoooo | I have a quesiton |
| 01:41.17 | eeeeoooo | what are plugins for? I keep seeing it here and there... are they like add ons for bzflag? |
| 01:43.19 | eeeeoooo | anyone?!?!? |
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| 05:42.12 | mibs | by coincidence or otherwise, would anyone be willing to give me a hint about format tagging in html? |
| 05:44.13 | a_meteorite | mibs: what do you need to know? |
| 05:45.05 | mibs | <nowiki>"<b>" and "</b>"</nowiki>, i read... |
| 05:45.10 | mibs | are placed around text |
| 05:45.20 | mibs | what does it do to the text, if in HTML? |
| 05:45.55 | mibs | i think i've just learned that the < and > is supposed to be humorous because they stand for < and > |
| 05:46.02 | mibs | which are used around everything in html |
| 05:48.24 | a_meteorite | um yeah |
| 05:48.34 | a_meteorite | < and > is what you should actually use for tags |
| 05:48.55 | a_meteorite | their representations is what you should use if you want to print them to the screen |
| 05:49.51 | mibs | <nowiki>"<b> and "</b>"</nowiki>? |
| 05:50.01 | mibs | b for bold, what's nowiki? |
| 05:52.08 | a_meteorite | is this for mediawiki? |
| 05:52.12 | a_meteorite | they probably use custom tags |
| 05:52.17 | a_meteorite | I don't know anything about those |
| 05:52.59 | mibs | have u ever used format tagging? |
| 05:53.09 | mibs | for any chatting purpose |
| 05:53.17 | mibs | to rip out newbs lol? |
| 06:02.21 | blast007 | mibs: you might try asking on a channel or forum specific for what you are asking. |
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| 22:01.33 | Astroman | hey, how can i tilt a box (like on a slope)? |
| 22:01.51 | blizzard- | Wings 3D |
| 22:02.03 | Astroman | i mean in had editing |
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| 22:02.32 | Astroman | i mean in hand editing |
| 22:03.03 | blizzard_away | Uhm, use Wings 3D, or Draw |
| 22:03.12 | Astroman | draw? |
| 22:03.20 | blizzard_away | FOOD |
| 22:04.39 | Astroman | i mean what's the text i should use (exe: position, size, etc.) |
| 22:05.12 | JeffM | a box can not be rotated |
| 22:05.20 | JeffM | to make a slope you use a mesh |
| 22:05.39 | JeffM | the primitives only support the Z rotation, not a tilt |
| 22:06.18 | Astroman | i was hoping i wouldn't have to use a mesh... |
| 22:06.27 | JeffM | you prety much have to use a mesh |
| 22:06.34 | Astroman | okay *sigh* |
| 22:07.59 | CBG | http://koti.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/transformations.php |
| 22:08.05 | CBG | ... too late. |
| 22:16.32 | CBG | If someone gives a crap, they could try contacting him on the bzbb... |
| 22:17.13 | JeffM | I doubt a crap is given |
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