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| 20:13.40 | DrRobotnik | hi |
| 20:13.57 | JeffM | hello |
| 20:14.42 | DrRobotnik | I have one question. The wiki isnt really clear on how to texture a map. I would be doing this by hand in a text editor. |
| 20:15.10 | JeffM | what object type do you want to texture? |
| 20:15.20 | DrRobotnik | The standard Squares. |
| 20:15.26 | JeffM | a box then |
| 20:15.29 | DrRobotnik | yes |
| 20:15.38 | JeffM | you change it form box to meshbox |
| 20:15.39 | CBG` | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Material |
| 20:15.42 | JeffM | add a material |
| 20:15.43 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:16.02 | JeffM | in that material define the texture |
| 20:16.13 | DrRobotnik | ick, I will have to switch editors. |
| 20:16.22 | JeffM | then in your meshbox do a matref that has that material name |
| 20:16.28 | CBG` | why will you? |
| 20:16.35 | JeffM | why do you have to change text editors? |
| 20:17.00 | DrRobotnik | So I have to replace each object? |
| 20:17.23 | DrRobotnik | I am using iBZEdit for most of the work, and it is bad as it is quite obsolete now. |
| 20:17.34 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:17.42 | JeffM | ibzedit is a dead app |
| 20:17.46 | DrRobotnik | How come no one took the project over? |
| 20:17.56 | JeffM | because it is not open source |
| 20:18.02 | DrRobotnik | The GUI was the nicest one out of all the editors. |
| 20:18.04 | DrRobotnik | It isnt? |
| 20:18.16 | JeffM | as far as I know it was never open sourced |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM | it's also OSX specific |
| 20:18.23 | DrRobotnik | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ibzedit |
| 20:18.31 | Blizzard- | DrRobotnik: Wings 3D is much better |
| 20:18.33 | JeffM | so it would not make a good cross platform editor |
| 20:18.44 | JeffM | Blizzard-, that is not a map editor, but a modeler |
| 20:19.08 | JeffM | DrRobotnik, ahh I I guess he did source it, good. |
| 20:19.12 | JeffM | mostly noone cares about it |
| 20:19.51 | Blizzard- | JeffM: yeah, but you can do a lot more with Wings 3D |
| 20:20.01 | JeffM | Blizzard-, and a lot less |
| 20:20.15 | JeffM | it is a passable modler |
| 20:20.24 | JeffM | good for making single objects that are mreged into a map |
| 20:20.30 | DrRobotnik | Well, I tried pyBzEdit, and I could never get it to run. Blender has a horrid GUI |
| 20:20.42 | DrRobotnik | Really the project needs its own editor. |
| 20:20.47 | JeffM | it has one |
| 20:20.51 | JeffM | it just needs to be finished |
| 20:20.54 | JeffM | BZWorkbench |
| 20:20.55 | DrRobotnik | but it is in consept. |
| 20:21.01 | DrRobotnik | Any source? |
| 20:21.02 | JeffM | no it has code |
| 20:21.03 | JeffM | sure |
| 20:21.08 | JeffM | in SVN |
| 20:21.22 | DrRobotnik | Lets hope it compiles unlike BZFlag 3 on OS X |
| 20:21.30 | JeffM | it won't |
| 20:21.32 | JeffM | not on your mac |
| 20:21.57 | DrRobotnik | And why is that? |
| 20:22.03 | JeffM | dependencies |
| 20:22.04 | DrRobotnik | I know 1 lib is incompatible |
| 20:22.09 | DrRobotnik | in Carbon. |
| 20:22.09 | JeffM | what one lib is that? |
| 20:22.23 | DrRobotnik | gah it has a huge name that I forgot. -_- |
| 20:22.29 | DrRobotnik | Let me check |
| 20:22.39 | JeffM | what version of OSX do you have? |
| 20:23.09 | DrRobotnik | 10.5.3 |
| 20:23.10 | DrRobotnik | libftgl.la |
| 20:23.13 | DrRobotnik | is the issue |
| 20:23.17 | DrRobotnik | it is in carbon |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM | yes FTGL is under development for OSX fixes |
| 20:23.38 | JeffM | that is why our mac developer is now one of the prioject admins for FTGL |
| 20:23.44 | JeffM | so that we can make it work |
| 20:23.52 | JeffM | bzworkbench dosn't use FTGL tho |
| 20:23.53 | DrRobotnik | So we will be the last to get BZFlag 3? Just like it took 2 years to get an intel version? |
| 20:24.06 | DrRobotnik | Well, an offical one anyways. |
| 20:24.11 | JeffM | probalby |
| 20:24.19 | JeffM | OSX builds are a lot harder |
| 20:24.22 | JeffM | universals doubly so |
| 20:24.29 | JeffM | APPLE dosn't make it easy |
| 20:24.29 | DrRobotnik | Are you all using xcode? |
| 20:24.34 | JeffM | all? |
| 20:24.39 | JeffM | most of us don't use macs |
| 20:24.43 | DrRobotnik | No just the C IDE |
| 20:24.46 | DrRobotnik | There is the issue |
| 20:24.51 | JeffM | huh? |
| 20:25.02 | JeffM | the offical builds are done with xcode |
| 20:25.07 | JeffM | but most of our developers don't use macs |
| 20:25.43 | DrRobotnik | so it is a lack of knowlege that slows things down. that makes sense as platforms varry. |
| 20:25.50 | JeffM | no.. |
| 20:25.53 | JeffM | not it's not |
| 20:26.10 | JeffM | the big slowdowns on 2.0.x were trying to support 10.2 |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM | 3.0 will probably only support 10.4 and 10.5 and be a better build |
| 20:26.31 | JeffM | the mac build system is evolving |
| 20:26.40 | JeffM | it is the newest supported platform |
| 20:26.59 | JeffM | the build system has mostly be redone BY our main mac developer |
| 20:27.07 | JeffM | specificlty to work better ON the mac |
| 20:27.58 | DrRobotnik | Ah. So there is one person who is doing the mac side of things and is optimizing the code. |
| 20:28.02 | JeffM | no |
| 20:28.09 | JeffM | there are more then one mac developers |
| 20:28.15 | JeffM | but there is one that is the main developer |
| 20:28.33 | JeffM | he is also a project administrator |
| 20:28.42 | DrRobotnik | Ok. Now it is clear. |
| 20:29.05 | JeffM | the FTGL issues are relitively new since we moved over to using FTGL |
| 20:29.24 | JeffM | FTGL had poor mac support in general, so it is being worked on to support it better. |
| 20:29.32 | JeffM | it's a lot better now |
| 20:29.54 | JeffM | but I don't know if you can just click a button and have it magialy work on your mac |
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