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11:23.18Dontkillmyimabeghi
11:24.30bradHi 8)
11:24.39Dontkillmyimabeg:)
11:25.05Dontkillmyimabeghow to make an spotlight in an .bzw map?
11:25.22Dontkillmyimabegi make an map and inside is all dark and i need some light
11:27.52Dontkillmyimabegoh, sorry!
11:27.57Dontkillmyimabegwrong channel
11:28.05Dontkillmyimabegi wanted to write it in #bzw
11:28.07Dontkillmyimabegsorry :(
11:28.23bradgreat...cuz I have no idea about that
11:28.23bradlol
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11:32.45Dontkillmyimabeghi robo
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15:53.55_Astromanhey, I have a question about spheres
15:54.01blast007ok
15:54.11_Astromanokay, imagine one...
15:54.17_Astromannow cut it in half
15:54.23_Astromanand then again
15:54.28_Astromanlike an apple
15:54.40_Astromanis it possible to do that?
15:54.56Winnyin a 3d modeler, sure
15:55.04_Astromanbut not by hand?
15:55.29Winnynot that I know of
15:55.30blast007not with anything except a 'mesh' object
15:55.35_Astromancrud
15:55.43blast007there is no built-in object like that
15:55.54_Astromanoh well i guess
15:55.58_Astromanback to the drawing board
15:56.04Winnyit would take about 3 min in blender
15:56.18_Astromanyeah, but I'm so terrible at blender
15:56.29blast007apparently there is a 'hemisphere' though
15:56.36_Astromanwhat?
15:56.38Winnygood time to learn :)
15:56.56blast007hemisphere = half a sphere
15:57.16_Astromanbut i only need one little quarter sphere...
15:57.23_Astromani know
15:57.27blast007right
15:57.31blast007I'm ust saying
15:57.31blast007just*
15:57.42_Astromani was refering to winny
15:57.54_Astromanbut i also need a hemisphere
15:58.01blast007k
15:58.08_Astromanhow do i do that?
15:58.22_Astroman(a hemi)
15:58.23blast007read the BZW documentation
15:58.46_Astromandoes it come from a sphere, or is it seperate?
15:59.48blast007from a sphere
16:00.03blast007you just add the word 'hemi' or 'hemisphere' inside the sphere object
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16:00.13_Astromanand it makes it a half of one?
16:00.40blast007yup
16:00.59_Astromanwhich half (top, bottom, etc.)
16:01.11blast007I'll assume top, but you'd have to try it
16:01.21_Astromanand then "spin" it?
16:01.30AHAyes
16:01.32blast007if you want it facing down, yes
16:01.43_Astromanor up as the case may be
16:01.54_Astromanokay, thanks
16:01.57blast007like I said, I assume the top part is what remains
16:02.05blast007but try it :)
16:02.08_Astromanthat'll save me some time
16:02.25_Astromanthanks, blast, winny, aha
16:02.56blast007np
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16:08.40_Astroman_hey again
16:08.55_Astroman_one more complication
16:09.14_Astroman_is there any way to make the sphere (or hemisphere) hollow?
16:09.36JeffMwith a mesh
16:09.44JeffMmodel it with a thickness
16:09.51_Astroman_that's what i was afraid of...
16:10.05JeffMthe primitives we have are very primitive
16:10.17_Astroman_thus the name... :P
16:10.38JeffMindeed
16:11.22_Astroman_what if i use a bunch of arcs?
16:11.32_Astroman_and rotate each one a little bit
16:11.32JeffMno
16:11.33JeffMmeshes
16:11.43JeffMa bunch of arcs would be slow
16:11.45JeffMand wastefull
16:11.49JeffMthat's what meshes are for
16:11.56_Astroman_i see
16:12.14JeffMin the end the goal will be to just do the entire world as meshes, then we only need one object type
16:12.39_Astroman_im just afraid of how many time ill have to use "vertex"
16:12.46JeffMuse a modeler
16:12.52JeffMand export it as an obj
16:12.57JeffMthen convert it with modeltool
16:12.59JeffMthen just paste it in
16:13.08JeffMlet the computer do the work for you
16:13.13_Astroman_how hard is that to do?
16:13.23JeffMmodel tool is very easy to use
16:13.34JeffMthe modeler, depends on what program you pick
16:13.43_Astroman_how 'bout wings?
16:14.07JeffMsure
16:14.19_Astroman_i mean difficulty
16:14.21JeffMit's a crapy modeler but it can be made to work
16:14.27JeffMfrom ease of use it's ok
16:14.39JeffMfrom a techincal standpoint is sucks
16:14.51JeffMdosn't do UVs right, has problems with normals, etc..
16:14.51_Astroman_i only need to do this once, which program would you recomend?
16:14.51Winnyblender is a great tool to learn, since you can do tons of other stuff with it
16:15.17JeffMyou'll eventualy need more then "just this once"
16:15.25_Astroman_lol, very true
16:15.28JeffMis this going to be your only map you'll make EVER?
16:15.37_Astroman_i see what you're getting at
16:16.06_Astroman_what if i put it this way: i just need a quick fix
16:16.21JeffMthen post on the fourms and ask someone to model it for you
16:16.50JeffMthat will be the quickest way and keep you from learning anything at all
16:16.56_Astroman_okay, once they've made it, i can just "scale" it to what ever size i need, right?
16:17.18JeffMyou can put it in a group def and scale the group instance
16:17.26JeffMor scale it with model tool
16:17.43_Astroman_sounds pretty straightfoward
16:18.06JeffMthe tought part will be getting the inside and outside points correct
16:18.13JeffMsince it will be a concave shape
16:18.19JeffMor does this not need to collide with tanks?
16:18.29_Astroman_it'll be in the roof
16:18.36_Astroman_so only if they have wg
16:18.42JeffMdoes it need to collide from the inside?
16:18.47_Astroman_correct
16:18.56_Astroman_wait
16:18.59JeffMthen you need proper inside and outside points to make it collide properly
16:19.09_Astroman_what do you mean by "inside"
16:19.24JeffMmeshes have 2 collision hint features
16:19.37JeffMwhere you define a point that is inside or outside the mesh
16:19.44JeffMthat helps the system make tanks collide with it
16:20.04_Astroman_depending on what i thinks is the "inside" of the object?
16:20.10JeffMfor you'd I'd say you'd need at least one outside point in the middle of the concavity and a couple inside the thin candy shell
16:20.12_Astroman_n*it
16:20.25_Astroman_okay
16:20.28JeffMinside the object is inside the mesh faces
16:20.29_Astroman_make sense
16:20.33JeffMnot just where you arbitrarly decide
16:20.38JeffMit's all math
16:20.57_Astroman_so as long as it's inside the faces it can be anywhere?
16:21.08JeffMif you want the concavity to just look like it's there, but not be passable theny ou cap it with invidibles
16:21.11JeffMwell yes and no
16:21.21JeffMyou can put them anywhere, but there are good places and bad places to put them
16:21.34JeffMyou want them spread out as eventely thru the soldi as you can
16:21.52JeffMjust puting one somehwere inside won't do it if it's a full hemesphere
16:22.09_Astroman_sound's kina like you need a "feel" for it
16:22.11JeffMyou'd want a couple concentric rings that follow the inside of it
16:22.20JeffMyou need to understand how the logic works
16:22.28JeffMwe draw a line from the inside point to the tank
16:22.45JeffMif it crosses an odd number of faces, then the tank is outside
16:22.57JeffMan even number and it's inside
16:23.06_Astroman_very clever
16:23.07JeffMthen we draw a line from the outside points to the tank
16:23.18JeffMif it crosses an even number of faces, it's outside, and odd, inside.
16:23.33JeffMwell we have to do the math somehow to figure out if you are inside it or not
16:23.43_Astroman_that's very logical
16:23.53_Astroman_thanks for your help
16:23.58JeffMand that's faster then breaking it down into lots of little convex shapes
16:24.21_Astroman_thanks for clearing things up for me
16:24.45JeffMsure
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21:44.47Rednick Red_Bull
21:45.39Red_BullHey does anyone here remember the Space map? Where it was like you were in the middle of space with stars all aorund you? Or something like that?
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21:47.39Red_BullHello?
21:48.06Red_Bull.............
21:50.13Winnyhe who is impatient shall loose
22:03.49spldartHaha
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22:53.53Sk3letr0nhey can someone help me with something?
22:53.59bznoobsure, what?
22:54.24Sk3letr0nI'm trying to create a map that has a space theme and I want to change the sky and ground to a star texture
22:54.30Sk3letr0ndo you know how i can do that?
22:54.37bznoobno idea, i'm not a map maker, sorry
22:54.43Sk3letr0naww ok
22:55.01Sk3letr0nJeffM? you there?
22:55.03JeffMskymap
22:55.06JeffMbut no
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22:55.24Sk3letr0nwait so what do I do
22:55.29JeffM2501leave
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22:55.33JeffM2501before I kick you
22:55.47Sk3letr0naww what did I do?
22:55.55JeffM2501cheating, anoyances, you know
22:56.07Sk3letr0nwhat is skymap?
22:56.28JeffM2501bye bye
22:56.31Sk3letr0nbye
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23:03.42JeffM250167.126.129.* if anyone needs the range.
23:03.52AbominableFor sk3?
23:03.57JeffM2501yeah
23:04.01AbominableK, thanks
23:13.50CBGWhy?
23:14.06spldartWhy not.. Mr obscene
23:14.29CBGspldart: you want everyone's IP for no reason?
23:14.48spldartFeeling your oats again today?
23:14.59CBGsorry?
23:15.07spldartyeesh
23:31.00JeffM2501he's been going around cheating, spamming, and distributing cheats, etc..
23:31.17JeffM2501He'd been banned a number of times befreo
23:31.19JeffM2501before
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