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| 02:21.09 | Drummaster01 | ok |
| 02:21.30 | Drummaster01 | is there anyone here that will tell me how to get a server online? |
| 02:21.38 | Drummaster01 | step by step? |
| 02:21.50 | Drummaster01 | cause im not goin on bzwiki |
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| 02:22.00 | Drummaster01 | too confusing |
| 02:22.49 | Drummaster01 | anyone? |
| 02:22.53 | Drummaster01 | u jeff? |
| 02:23.11 | Drummaster01 | can u help me make a server? |
| 02:23.18 | Drummaster01 | step by step? |
| 02:23.18 | think_differentl | ... |
| 02:23.20 | JeffM | depends what you mean? |
| 02:23.22 | Drummaster01 | what |
| 02:23.35 | JeffM | there are step by step instructons on the fourms |
| 02:23.38 | Drummaster01 | i want to make a public server to test my map on |
| 02:23.40 | JeffM | except for the router setup |
| 02:23.50 | JeffM | what kind of internet conneciton are you on? |
| 02:23.59 | Drummaster01 | wireless comcast |
| 02:24.08 | Drummaster01 | fast though |
| 02:24.14 | JeffM | eww |
| 02:24.17 | JeffM | wireless is lossy |
| 02:24.18 | think_differentl | wireless = bad |
| 02:24.19 | JeffM | what speed |
| 02:24.42 | Drummaster01 | how should i put the speed? how to measure |
| 02:24.52 | JeffM | well lets start simple |
| 02:24.58 | Drummaster01 | ok |
| 02:25.03 | JeffM | is there a wireless router in your house? |
| 02:25.13 | JeffM | or do you connect wirelessly to some central comcast place? |
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| 13:26.36 | andrew111 | hey |
| 13:27.02 | andrew111 | i need some help |
| 13:28.03 | andrew111 | please answer |
| 13:29.18 | andrew111 | is anybody hear& |
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| 13:32.08 | donny_baker | yes, be patient |
| 13:32.15 | donny_baker | what do you need |
| 13:35.02 | donny_baker | on IRC it is best to ask your question and then wait for a response |
| 13:35.33 | donny_baker | many of us are connected 24 hours a day, and will read back and answer when we are around |
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| 13:38.53 | andrew1110 | is anybody here& |
| 13:39.01 | donny_baker | 09:32:08 < donny_baker> yes, be patient |
| 13:39.03 | donny_baker | 09:32:14 < donny_baker> what do you need |
| 13:39.03 | donny_baker | 09:35:02 < donny_baker> on IRC it is best to ask your question and then wait for a response |
| 13:39.06 | donny_baker | 09:35:32 < donny_baker> many of us are connected 24 hours a day, and will read back and answer when we are around |
| 13:39.18 | andrew1110 | i need help& |
| 13:39.32 | donny_baker | with.... |
| 13:39.33 | temp_dist | please read what donny_baker posted above |
| 13:39.37 | andrew1110 | and advice |
| 13:39.49 | donny_baker | WITH..... |
| 13:39.53 | andrew1110 | i was banned from some server |
| 13:40.05 | donny_baker | probably deserved it, have a nice day |
| 13:40.32 | donny_baker | you need to take it up with the person who banned you |
| 13:40.37 | andrew1110 | probably... |
| 13:40.45 | donny_baker | we have no influence over the servers |
| 13:40.50 | andrew1110 | but i want return to the game |
| 13:41.03 | donny_baker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.09 | donny_baker | what server was it? |
| 13:42.51 | andrew1110 | sorry for my english |
| 13:43.12 | andrew1110 | it was bzflag.planet-mofo.com |
| 13:43.15 | donny_baker | no problem.. we can figure out most things |
| 13:43.31 | donny_baker | whoa... that is a very liberal server |
| 13:43.41 | andrew1110 | ip was banned |
| 13:43.43 | donny_baker | very hard to get banned there |
| 13:43.50 | donny_baker | for what? |
| 13:43.58 | andrew1110 | but there are many people in our lan!!! |
| 13:44.29 | donny_baker | yes, that is generally the way bans work on bzflag.. by IP |
| 13:45.08 | andrew1110 | i didn't find any e-mails of admins or person who banned me |
| 13:45.10 | donny_baker | alowing unregistered players makes that the only reliable way to ban |
| 13:45.26 | donny_baker | who banned you... i am an admin on planet-mofo |
| 13:45.41 | andrew1110 | one second |
| 13:45.47 | temp_dist | andrew1110: can you tell us what the message is when you try to join? |
| 13:46.04 | donny_baker | temp_dist is too ;) |
| 13:46.22 | andrew1110 | 5G5 Serenity again 2008 |
| 13:46.37 | donny_baker | and the message? |
| 13:46.46 | temp_dist | "reason: 1q2w3 tker and possible cheater" |
| 13:46.54 | andrew1110 | yes |
| 13:47.03 | temp_dist | about 1113.6 minutes left |
| 13:47.15 | temp_dist | I'd say wait those 1100 minutes - it's not that long |
| 13:47.36 | andrew1110 | ok |
| 13:47.42 | temp_dist | try again tonight |
| 13:47.55 | andrew1110 | thank u |
| 13:47.59 | temp_dist | err what ever in your timezone |
| 13:48.02 | temp_dist | welcome |
| 13:48.03 | donny_baker | i would agree... it is more like early tomorrow morning |
| 13:48.05 | andrew1110 | for help |
| 13:48.13 | donny_baker | 18 hours from now |
| 13:48.19 | andrew1110 | and sorry for my english |
| 13:48.26 | temp_dist | not a problem :) |
| 13:48.30 | andrew1110 | ))) |
| 13:48.39 | andrew1110 | by |
| 13:48.39 | donny_baker | np.. many of our players are non-english speaking |
| 13:48.42 | donny_baker | bye |
| 13:49.31 | temp_dist | I wonder if the "banned" message in the client couldn't be expanded a bit |
| 13:49.38 | temp_dist | to include the time left |
| 13:49.59 | donny_baker | IIRC it was talked about to be included in 3.0 |
| 13:50.02 | temp_dist | and maybe the line about "contact the person than banned you or the server owner." |
| 13:50.11 | temp_dist | OK that's great |
| 13:50.41 | donny_baker | yeah, that would help some.. although most noobs and even regulars wouldn't have the slightest idea how to do that |
| 13:50.57 | temp_dist | and then there are those that can't be bothered to read |
| 13:51.12 | donny_baker | how true |
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| 13:57.16 | Drummaster01 | hi |
| 13:57.34 | temp_dist | Drummaster01: can you tell me a step by step of how to not read a wiki? |
| 13:57.51 | Drummaster01 | i am now reading the bzforums |
| 13:58.01 | Drummaster01 | but something is wrong |
| 13:58.03 | temp_dist | a good first step |
| 13:58.21 | Drummaster01 | when it says to open terminal |
| 13:58.31 | Drummaster01 | oh here the link |
| 13:58.45 | Drummaster01 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 13:59.00 | Drummaster01 | ok so when it says to open terminal, i do |
| 13:59.28 | Drummaster01 | it says if u have a later version of bzflag 2.0.0 then to update the code |
| 14:00.07 | Drummaster01 | so i copy the code and then update it to bzflag 2.0.10 |
| 14:00.18 | Drummaster01 | and it says application not found |
| 14:00.31 | Drummaster01 | i try again to be sure |
| 14:00.44 | temp_dist | I don't see the words "later version" or "update the code" on that page |
| 14:02.30 | Drummaster01 | "If you installed bzflag in a different directory or have a difrent version then you will need to modify the path to fit." |
| 14:03.43 | Drummaster01 | see? |
| 14:03.47 | temp_dist | is your BZFlag app in the "Applications" directory? |
| 14:03.55 | Drummaster01 | yes |
| 14:04.15 | temp_dist | to find the path to the bzfs executable... |
| 14:04.23 | temp_dist | right click the BZFlag app |
| 14:04.32 | temp_dist | and choose "SHow contents" |
| 14:04.55 | temp_dist | "Show Package Contents" |
| 14:05.52 | Drummaster01 | ok did that |
| 14:06.38 | temp_dist | double click on Contents, then MacOS |
| 14:06.44 | Drummaster01 | i did |
| 14:06.51 | temp_dist | see the bzfs in there? that's your executable |
| 14:06.54 | Drummaster01 | click bzfs? |
| 14:06.56 | temp_dist | no |
| 14:07.01 | Drummaster01 | oh |
| 14:07.02 | temp_dist | open a terminal window |
| 14:07.10 | Drummaster01 | already open |
| 14:07.20 | temp_dist | have both the terminal window and the MacOS window open |
| 14:07.27 | Drummaster01 | yes |
| 14:07.51 | temp_dist | to find the path to that execuable - drag the bzfs to the terminal window |
| 14:08.07 | Drummaster01 | ok one sec |
| 14:08.18 | temp_dist | don't press return in terminal after you do that |
| 14:08.45 | Drummaster01 | ok done |
| 14:08.53 | Drummaster01 | i didnt press return |
| 14:09.28 | temp_dist | the path that you see there is the one that replaces the code you see on the webpage |
| 14:09.45 | Drummaster01 | no |
| 14:10.03 | temp_dist | i'm telling you it is |
| 14:10.04 | Drummaster01 | heres the one on the web page |
| 14:10.15 | temp_dist | I don't care what is on the webpage |
| 14:10.33 | Drummaster01 | ok well heres the one in terminal |
| 14:10.37 | temp_dist | i'm saying that the one on the webpage is what is TYPICAL (at the time of that writing) |
| 14:10.47 | temp_dist | I don't care what is in your terminal |
| 14:11.03 | temp_dist | you just need to know that THAT path is the path to your bzfs executable |
| 14:11.13 | Drummaster01 | ok |
| 14:11.18 | temp_dist | and use THAT path instead of the one on the webpage |
| 14:11.26 | Drummaster01 | ok thanks |
| 14:11.34 | temp_dist | now you can continue working through that webpage |
| 14:11.42 | temp_dist | have fun! :) |
| 14:11.49 | Drummaster01 | but you dont care about the webpage |
| 14:11.54 | Drummaster01 | :-) |
| 14:12.02 | temp_dist | in termial - press control C now |
| 14:12.03 | Drummaster01 | i'll stay on if i need help |
| 14:12.12 | Drummaster01 | control c? |
| 14:12.14 | temp_dist | I won't be here - I'll be working :) |
| 14:12.20 | temp_dist | yes - to clear that path |
| 14:12.24 | temp_dist | control c |
| 14:12.28 | Drummaster01 | same time or control first? |
| 14:12.38 | Drummaster01 | and hold |
| 14:12.57 | temp_dist | let's see what happens when you try one of those options |
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| 14:14.05 | Drummaster01 | a moose came up on my screen, saying welcome to canada |
| 14:14.12 | Drummaster01 | thanks a lot |
| 14:14.23 | temp_dist | heh |
| 14:14.37 | Drummaster01 | so i'll probably be back soon |
| 14:14.41 | Drummaster01 | bye |
| 14:26.33 | Drummaster01 | ok |
| 14:26.41 | Drummaster01 | another bump in road here |
| 14:28.02 | Drummaster01 | it says i have to save the text edit file under the bzflag install directory |
| 14:31.23 | temp_dist | it is tell you to save the config file somewhere that you can access it later |
| 14:31.40 | Drummaster01 | oh nevermind then |
| 14:31.44 | Drummaster01 | but |
| 14:31.59 | temp_dist | you'll need to have the full path to that file when you run the command to start the BZFS |
| 14:32.13 | Drummaster01 | yeah\ |
| 14:32.24 | Drummaster01 | thats what i was wonderin about |
| 14:32.36 | Drummaster01 | HOW do i activete it? |
| 14:33.05 | Drummaster01 | copy all the settins er whatever into terminal? |
| 14:33.16 | temp_dist | not terminal |
| 14:33.30 | Drummaster01 | text edit right |
| 14:33.32 | temp_dist | the conf file is just a text file - that you create in TextEdit |
| 14:33.45 | Drummaster01 | i did |
| 14:33.52 | temp_dist | then save somewhere that you can find it easily with a path in terminal |
| 14:34.17 | Drummaster01 | you lost me |
| 14:34.39 | temp_dist | well you know how I showed you how to find the path to bzfs? |
| 14:34.47 | Drummaster01 | yeah |
| 14:34.59 | temp_dist | you also need the path to the config file that you created in TextEdit |
| 14:35.26 | Drummaster01 | you mean path as in just a way to acess it? |
| 14:36.19 | temp_dist | the path means all the directories that lead to that file |
| 14:36.28 | Drummaster01 | well |
| 14:36.50 | Drummaster01 | i just copied it to desktop |
| 14:36.54 | Drummaster01 | the file |
| 14:36.59 | Drummaster01 | from text edit |
| 14:37.48 | temp_dist | yep, that's good for the content of the file |
| 14:37.54 | temp_dist | but where did you save that file? |
| 14:38.10 | Drummaster01 | in text edit |
| 14:38.11 | temp_dist | the startup command need to know where to look for that file |
| 14:38.25 | temp_dist | you saved the file somewhere on your HD, right? |
| 14:38.32 | Drummaster01 | yeah |
| 14:38.44 | temp_dist | THAT is what i mean by 'where' |
| 14:38.48 | Drummaster01 | bu is it ok if it just on desktop? |
| 14:38.52 | Drummaster01 | *but |
| 14:39.09 | temp_dist | sure, but you'll need to know the computer's path to that desktop file |
| 14:39.25 | Drummaster01 | ok |
| 14:39.46 | Drummaster01 | so should i just put it back in the contents of text edit? |
| 14:40.12 | temp_dist | TextEdit is a program that allows you to edit text |
| 14:40.19 | Drummaster01 | i know |
| 14:40.23 | temp_dist | I don't think you removed the contents of that program |
| 14:40.34 | temp_dist | I think you want to ask a more precise question.. |
| 14:41.19 | temp_dist | the path to a file on your desktop is typically like this |
| 14:41.25 | Drummaster01 | but how would i execute the command? |
| 14:41.41 | Drummaster01 | to start the server? |
| 14:41.46 | temp_dist | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.55 | temp_dist | you are not ready to start the server yet |
| 14:42.04 | temp_dist | you need to understand this path concept |
| 14:42.06 | Drummaster01 | oh |
| 14:42.16 | temp_dist | here's the command to start the server |
| 14:42.19 | temp_dist | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.27 | temp_dist | does that make sense yet? |
| 14:42.42 | Drummaster01 | a little, but... |
| 14:43.02 | temp_dist | once you understand how these file paths work, that command will make more sense |
| 14:43.02 | Drummaster01 | i would just type that in? |
| 14:43.13 | temp_dist | nope, it wouldn't work just like that |
| 14:43.19 | Drummaster01 | thats what i dont understand |
| 14:43.41 | temp_dist | because you don't get the concept of "paths to a file" yet |
| 14:44.06 | Drummaster01 | well, now i do u showed me\ |
| 14:44.49 | temp_dist | (path/to/the/executable)/bzfs -conf (path/to/the/config)/myconfig.txt |
| 14:44.58 | Drummaster01 | yeah |
| 14:45.11 | temp_dist | then yea, that's how you start a server |
| 14:45.46 | temp_dist | work time for me - have fun! |
| 14:45.48 | Drummaster01 | lost me again |
| 14:45.54 | temp_dist | heh - keep trying |
| 14:45.57 | Drummaster01 | ok |
| 14:46.03 | Drummaster01 | bye |
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| 23:46.59 | me1 | hates wings :E It's so confusing. |
| 23:47.06 | Winny | I agree |
| 23:47.52 | me1 | Winny, he means the bzw importer, btw |
| 23:47.59 | Winny | I know |
| 23:48.01 | Winny | it works too |
| 23:48.51 | me1 | btw, have you done anything recently in blender? |
| 23:49.14 | Winny | not too much |
| 23:49.22 | Winny | I'm working on something for my podcast now in it |
| 23:49.37 | Winny | but photoshop has become the tool of choice - mainly 'cause it makes me money |
| 23:49.43 | me1 | heh |
| 23:50.16 | me1 | is trying to start a project in blender for something to do, but lacks motivation. :| |
| 23:50.23 | Winny | :p |
| 23:50.40 | Winny | should work on his ship model again |
| 23:51.06 | me1 | oh, speaking about making you money, did you make more than the money PS costs? |
| 23:51.23 | Winny | I got PS for $40, since I know someone from adobe |
| 23:51.29 | Winny | so yeah, much more :p |
| 23:51.30 | me1 | heh |
| 23:51.45 | me1 | can you introduce me to this someone? |
| 23:51.53 | me1 | :P |
| 23:52.36 | Winny | I'm sure I could, but "hey, can you buy photoshop for this guy on the internet?" might not fly |
| 23:52.49 | me1 | :p |
| 23:58.15 | me1 | I wish I could upgrade my PS 5.5 to CS3 for that itty-bitty $150 (compared to $800) :| |
| 23:58.15 | Winny | ouch >_< |
| 23:58.49 | me1 | PS5.5 is so annoying to use. It's worse than Elements. :\ |
| 23:58.52 | donny_baker | CS3 is nice... but I'm sure 5.5 does a fine job |