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| 01:10.01 | Dr_Pi | I'm new to BZFlag and I was wondering if there was a printer friendly page for the keyboard controls |
| 01:10.59 | blast007 | hmm, not that I'm aware of |
| 01:11.20 | blast007 | sounds like a great thing to go into the wiki though ;) |
| 01:16.21 | short_circuit | It does :) |
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| 02:15.41 | lol_udied | Hey! I need help installing the ATI driver on my Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) version. I will allow any desktop remote connection to people I only know either in person or on bzflag pretty well. |
| 02:16.43 | JeffM | that would be more of a thing for #ubuntu, but I belive you just use the hardware drivers app in the admin menu |
| 02:16.47 | JeffM | and tell it to enable them |
| 02:16.56 | JeffM | that's all I did for nvidia |
| 02:17.20 | lol_udied | I tried that but it does no good |
| 02:17.33 | lol_udied | it just crashes my Ubuntu and I need to go to recovery menu |
| 02:17.49 | JeffM | yeah then that is defenately out of our league |
| 02:17.53 | JeffM | what card do you have? |
| 02:17.55 | lol_udied | and I went to the IRC channel non of them were any help. They kept sending me link to pages I was already at |
| 02:18.05 | lol_udied | ATI Radeon X1650 |
| 02:18.19 | JeffM | you could download them from ATI and install them manualy? |
| 02:18.35 | Think_Differentl | you need to download and install the binary drivers from ATI |
| 02:18.36 | lol_udied | I tried but it keeps saying I need to be in Super-User |
| 02:18.44 | JeffM | lol_udied: yeah you do |
| 02:18.46 | JeffM | use sudo |
| 02:18.46 | lol_udied | which I am the only person that uses this computer |
| 02:18.51 | Think_Differentl | >_< |
| 02:18.52 | lol_udied | i did |
| 02:18.55 | lol_udied | use sudo |
| 02:18.58 | JeffM | yeah.. linux may not be fore you |
| 02:19.18 | lol_udied | JeffM do you want to do remote connection so you can help me out please? |
| 02:19.23 | JeffM | no |
| 02:19.30 | JeffM | again we are NOT a linux support channel |
| 02:19.37 | lol_udied | ok. then is there anyone else that can help me out? |
| 02:19.40 | Think_Differentl | and if you can't get it to run, why run it? |
| 02:20.20 | lol_udied | well I know it's possible because TJ13820 is using it with his ATI driver but I havent recieved a message back from him |
| 02:20.33 | JeffM | not all cards are supported the same way |
| 02:20.45 | JeffM | tho I belive the x1600 series should be |
| 02:20.51 | lol_udied | yeah thats what i downloaded |
| 02:21.01 | lol_udied | and I followed there instructions too! |
| 02:21.04 | JeffM | it really is an issue for a linux support channel |
| 02:21.11 | lol_udied | Doesnt make sense to me |
| 02:21.13 | Winny | lol_udied: there are many guides and troubleshooting help online |
| 02:21.19 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:21.43 | lol_udied | Winny: I also tried the UBUNTU forums. They STILL give me links to what I already googled |
| 02:21.54 | Winny | Linux is nothing like windows or OS X - if you want something to work chances are you gotta to it yourself |
| 02:22.04 | lol_udied | Winny: yeah noticed xD |
| 02:22.05 | JeffM | did you tell them that those did not help, and what errors you got that were not covered in those links? |
| 02:22.14 | lol_udied | JeffM: Yes |
| 02:22.30 | JeffM | and what did they say after that? |
| 02:23.03 | lol_udied | JeffM: nothing xD |
| 02:23.10 | blast007 | guess they gave up |
| 02:23.12 | JeffM | how long ago was that? |
| 02:23.22 | lol_udied | Should I call ATI? and this was like a week ago |
| 02:23.46 | JeffM | you could try but I don't belive they provide support for linux drivers |
| 02:24.05 | Think_Differentl | if they do, it'll probably be paid support. |
| 02:24.06 | lol_udied | Should I just switch to NVidiea? xD |
| 02:24.20 | JeffM | we can not tell you what to do |
| 02:24.30 | JeffM | it is your hardware/OS choice |
| 02:24.36 | JeffM | you will have to decide for yourself |
| 02:24.39 | lol_udied | You won't be held responisble just asking for opniouns |
| 02:24.45 | lol_udied | (GOd my spelling is bad today) |
| 02:25.03 | JeffM | there is no reason the ATI driver should not work |
| 02:25.25 | lol_udied | Ok let me try the Sudo again. Do you know what the command is? |
| 02:25.27 | JeffM | and I find it hard to belive that the ubuntu people would blow you off if you worked with them in an informitive and civil manner |
| 02:25.31 | JeffM | nope |
| 02:25.35 | JeffM | read the docs |
| 02:25.40 | Winny | chances are you're doing something wrong - most new linux users do |
| 02:25.47 | blast007 | the command should be in the directions |
| 02:25.51 | blast007 | just put "sudo" before that |
| 02:26.07 | lol_udied | in the ATI directions right? |
| 02:26.09 | JeffM | it's entirely possible that your experince with computers and OSs is not high enough for you to use linux efectivly at this time. |
| 02:26.28 | JeffM | lol_udied: look at see, you need to do the work yourself if you are to undestand how it works |
| 02:26.30 | lol_udied | JeffM: Gonna go to Barnes and Noble and buy Linux for Dummies xD |
| 02:26.38 | JeffM | linux is not a 'click this to work' OS |
| 02:26.51 | lol_udied | JeffM: i understand that |
| 02:27.00 | blast007 | recalls trying to install the nVidia drivers on slackware... took me 5 reinstalls, since I had to compile a custom kernel (without the rivafb driver) |
| 02:27.01 | Winny | lol_udied: linux for dummies won't really help... distros differ greatly |
| 02:27.05 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:27.12 | lol_udied | ok |
| 02:27.30 | blast007 | Ubuntu is one of the easy ones to use :P |
| 02:27.36 | blast007 | go try Slackware |
| 02:27.50 | JeffM | my guess is that your card is not well supported by the ATI bin drivers |
| 02:28.01 | Think_Differentl | one book that I've found to help quite a bit for general things is the O'Reilly Linux Pocket Guide, however it doesn't address issues like yours, but more general use of linux. |
| 02:28.05 | blast007 | JeffM: my guess is that is is, and he's just not running the right command ;) |
| 02:28.10 | lol_udied | blast007: Whats Slackware? |
| 02:28.23 | Think_Differentl | blast007, better yet, Gentoo :P |
| 02:28.23 | JeffM | another linux distro |
| 02:28.23 | blast007 | lol_udied: a distro of linux, and I was being sarcastic |
| 02:28.31 | blast007 | you would not like it |
| 02:28.50 | blast007 | heh, it's probably been around as long as bzflag |
| 02:28.56 | JeffM | if your solution to problems is simply to replace it and start over, then linux REALLY isn't for you |
| 02:29.23 | lol_udied | ok |
| 02:29.39 | lol_udied | By the way, Did you know I contacted MacWorld to review bzflag? |
| 02:29.49 | blast007 | linux takes lots of patience, and lots of reinstalling at first ;) |
| 02:30.01 | blast007 | "Whoops, guess I shouldn't do that again..." *reinstall* |
| 02:30.41 | JeffM | yes we saw |
| 02:30.54 | JeffM | they won't do anything big |
| 02:30.57 | JeffM | if anything at all |
| 02:31.07 | Winny | lol_udied: they already had an article about it some time ago |
| 02:31.14 | JeffM | OSX is our buggiest platform |
| 02:31.14 | Winny | they probably get thousands of submissions |
| 02:31.17 | JeffM | and we are a VERY old game |
| 02:31.50 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I'm bringing you a toy to take apart tomorow :) |
| 02:32.33 | lol_udied | Winny: Do you know what magazine number it was when they made an article? |
| 02:32.39 | Winny | lol_udied: nope |
| 02:33.04 | JeffM | it was part of a big list of open source games |
| 02:33.13 | JeffM | sometime in the last 2 years |
| 02:33.38 | Think_Differentl | I think bzflag has more of a chance in Linux Journal than MacWorld. |
| 02:34.03 | lol_udied | Then I'll send a message to them |
| 02:34.09 | lol_udied | Including PC magazines |
| 02:34.11 | JeffM | there is nothing new or notable about the game |
| 02:34.21 | JeffM | everyone has writen something up on it at some point |
| 02:34.23 | lol_udied | JeffM: Everything about bzflag is new xD |
| 02:34.32 | lol_udied | It's never tireing |
| 02:34.32 | JeffM | dude, do you know how old bzflag is? |
| 02:34.36 | lol_udied | yes |
| 02:34.42 | lol_udied | 8-9 years? |
| 02:34.49 | Think_Differentl | 14 iirc |
| 02:34.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:35.19 | JeffM | they are not in the biz of giving out free adds man |
| 02:36.07 | lol_udied | JeffM: Worth the shot though |
| 02:36.09 | Think_Differentl | plus, bzflag's userbase is relatively small compared to other commercial games. |
| 02:36.18 | lol_udied | right |
| 02:36.37 | JeffM | not if your presentation of the facts makes us look bad |
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| 15:42.38 | coldBLOND | ho once you are registered how do you initiate a pool to ban a tk |
| 15:42.50 | coldBLOND | hi once you are registered how do you initiate a pool to ban a tk |
| 15:44.30 | brad | press n, type /poll |
| 15:44.34 | brad | it will tell you what to do |
| 15:44.46 | coldBLOND | tks |
| 15:44.53 | brad | teamkills? |
| 15:45.12 | coldBLOND | flag stoler |
| 15:45.28 | brad | ahh |
| 15:45.32 | SpazzyMcGee | coldBLOND: you could look for an admin for the server you're on. |
| 15:45.40 | SpazzyMcGee | Always better than a poll ban |
| 15:46.00 | coldBLOND | no admin flagbzr.net |
| 15:46.14 | SpazzyMcGee | you got one right here |
| 15:46.23 | brad | heh |
| 15:46.26 | brad | problem solved |
| 15:46.32 | SpazzyMcGee | just had to ask :) |
| 15:46.32 | coldBLOND | bzflagr.net sry |
| 15:46.52 | coldBLOND | ;) |
| 15:46.59 | SpazzyMcGee | what's the calsign? |
| 15:47.14 | coldBLOND | don t remember sry |
| 15:47.19 | coldBLOND | gone |
| 15:47.25 | SpazzyMcGee | oh |
| 15:47.29 | SpazzyMcGee | ah well |
| 15:47.44 | coldBLOND | i call back as soon as I fond him ;) |
| 15:47.52 | coldBLOND | i call back as soon as I find him ;) |
| 15:48.03 | coldBLOND | later |
| 15:52.03 | coldBLOND | HELP bzflagr.net flagstoler changing id all the time |
| 15:52.24 | brad | SpazzyMcGee: ^ |
| 15:52.44 | SpazzyMcGee | pong |
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| 22:37.59 | flying_popcorn | is BZF_API void bz_changeTeam( int player, bz_eTeamType team ); 3.0 only? i tried it and it said 'bz_changeTeam' was not declared in this scope |
| 22:38.08 | donny_baker | yes |
| 22:38.35 | donny_baker | can't change teams in 2.0.x |
| 22:38.37 | flying_popcorn | ok thanks |
| 22:39.06 | flying_popcorn | i thought so, i was just checking :D |
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| 22:44.40 | flying_popcorn | hi |
| 22:45.35 | flying_popcorn | it says [Tank(n=44c26f57@bz.bzflag.bz)] |
| 22:46.39 | flying_popcorn | i just go to bzbb and click the "chat" button |
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| 23:13.10 | JeffM | flying_popcorn, do you know how to read a header file? |
| 23:13.54 | flying_popcorn | .h files? |
| 23:14.00 | JeffM | yep |
| 23:14.10 | flying_popcorn | yes...sorta |
| 23:14.15 | flying_popcorn | why? |
| 23:14.22 | JeffM | that will always be the final docs for what a version supports |
| 23:15.02 | flying_popcorn | oh |
| 23:15.13 | JeffM | also what the actual code does |
| 23:15.24 | JeffM | it is handy to use it as a refrerence |
| 23:15.31 | JeffM | the wiki is setup for V3 |
| 23:15.47 | flying_popcorn | oh |
| 23:15.53 | flying_popcorn | so what header file would i look at? |
| 23:16.13 | flying_popcorn | i looked at bzfsPlugins.h but it didnt have much in it |
| 23:16.48 | JeffM | there is only one |
| 23:16.53 | JeffM | bzfsAPI.h |
| 23:16.59 | JeffM | that has the entire exported API |
| 23:17.19 | JeffM | bzfsPlugins.h is what bzfs uses to load the plugin files |
| 23:17.29 | flying_popcorn | i only see bzfs.h and bzfsAPI.cxx |
| 23:17.48 | JeffM | where are you looking? |
| 23:18.01 | flying_popcorn | src/bzfs/ |
| 23:18.08 | JeffM | that is not where it is |
| 23:18.12 | JeffM | it is in /include |
| 23:18.27 | JeffM | all the files in /src are only used by the module for the dir they are in |
| 23:18.41 | JeffM | if it's suposed to be used by other thigns, it goes into /include |
| 23:18.57 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_API has an overview of the API |
| 23:19.08 | JeffM | the first section defines that the API is in the bzfsAPI.h |
| 23:19.45 | flying_popcorn | k |
| 23:19.51 | flying_popcorn | i found bzfsAPI.h |
| 23:19.52 | flying_popcorn | thanks |
| 23:24.40 | flying_popcorn | wow this is more useful than the wiki :D thanks |
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| 23:29.02 | JeffM | indeed |
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| 23:29.36 | Danji | i cant get thr IRC channel forg uleague to work help |
| 23:29.43 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:29.46 | JeffM | you are using webchat |
| 23:29.47 | Danji | the* |
| 23:29.49 | JeffM | it's channel limited |
| 23:29.52 | JeffM | use a real client |
| 23:29.57 | Danji | aw |
| 23:30.09 | Danji | im on my client |
| 23:30.11 | JeffM | it's not our job to provide you bandwith for any IRC use you want ;) |
| 23:30.16 | JeffM | no you are using our website |
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| 23:30.27 | JeffM | don't use your browser |
| 23:30.30 | JeffM | use a REAL IRC client |
| 23:30.35 | Danji | oh ok |
| 23:30.43 | JeffM | like MIRC or xChat |
| 23:30.47 | Birdie | and if you really really dont want a client, try this: http://zeebrothers.net/ |
| 23:31.00 | JeffM | except you won't be able to get into #bzflag |
| 23:31.00 | Blazeing | wat is there for mac |
| 23:31.03 | JeffM | since we banned that |
| 23:31.17 | JeffM | xchatAqua is nice for OSX |
| 23:31.27 | Blazeing | k tnx |
| 23:31.52 | JeffM | Danji, the web chat is provided mostly for tech support reasons, that's why its' limited to specific channels |
| 23:32.03 | JeffM | the more we open it the more it gets abbused |
| 23:34.15 | Winny | can you only join #bzchat & #bzflag with webchat? |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM | that and a couple others |
| 23:34.58 | Winny | ah, k |
| 23:35.08 | JeffM | gu and ducati IIRC |
| 23:35.11 | JeffM | but not just any channel |
| 23:35.15 | JeffM | it has a specific limit |
| 23:35.17 | Winny | yeah |
| 23:35.26 | Birdie | but he couldnt join gu? |
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| 23:35.40 | JeffM | maybe gu isn't in it |
| 23:35.45 | JeffM | I don't recall |
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