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| 00:00.49 | TJ13820 | wow |
| 00:01.17 | TJ13820 | Someone needs to learn what "Http://www.google.com" is |
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| 13:51.38 | colorado3855 | hey |
| 13:52.16 | colorado3855 | hey guys...i did a flag up command and now the flags are all gone...how do I get them back |
| 13:52.59 | a_temp_dist | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.38 | a_temp_dist | if that was on mofo, the bzcron will do it within 5 minutes |
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| 13:57.54 | colorado3855 | it was on mofo...but it was on the test server...it has not reset...ooops |
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| 18:25.31 | Mari | admins there? this is mari |
| 18:26.49 | JeffM | what admins are you looking for? |
| 18:27.16 | Mari | bzflag registeration!? |
| 18:27.27 | JeffM | what do you need? |
| 18:27.48 | Mari | i saw that callsign was illegally registered by someone |
| 18:27.54 | JeffM | illegaly? |
| 18:28.00 | JeffM | explain |
| 18:28.03 | Mari | yup |
| 18:28.25 | Mari | i played "Yuki Saito" temporally |
| 18:28.33 | JeffM | and some one registered it? |
| 18:28.40 | Mari | yees |
| 18:28.47 | JeffM | that's not lillegal |
| 18:28.56 | Mari | after i rejoined, the callsign was registered |
| 18:28.58 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:29.08 | Mari | in addition, |
| 18:29.10 | JeffM | tha'ts what can happen when you play non reged |
| 18:29.35 | Mari | my temporal name is ok, but... |
| 18:29.49 | Mari | i saw Atto was registered |
| 18:29.58 | JeffM | and....? |
| 18:30.18 | Mari | Atto usually playing missilewar, he not registered |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM | then he has no claim to the name |
| 18:30.37 | Swigg | I always tell them: Please register; Registration has its perks. |
| 18:30.46 | Mari | i think some bad guy there... |
| 18:30.49 | JeffM | we do not hold names for people that use them unreged |
| 18:30.53 | SpazzyMcGee | The first to register a callsign gets that callsign. |
| 18:31.04 | JeffM | if you want to keep a name, register it |
| 18:31.25 | JeffM | it's not our job to keep you from the unfortonate things that can happen when you don't |
| 18:31.27 | Swigg | If/when you register, other players as well as admins will respect you more and no one can ever steal your name. |
| 18:31.41 | Swigg | And you can post on the forums |
| 18:31.58 | JeffM | the person that registered it, techincaly has more claim to the name now that they have reged it, then you did. |
| 18:32.35 | Swigg | You snooze, you lose. Think of a better name and register it now; You won't be sorry. |
| 18:32.38 | JeffM | so what exactly are you asking us to do for you? |
| 18:32.52 | Mari | my temporal name is ok... just i thought Atto |
| 18:33.03 | JeffM | it's his/her fault for not registering it |
| 18:33.12 | JeffM | we can not do anything |
| 18:33.16 | Swigg | mari Ijima? |
| 18:33.16 | Mari | ok, thanks |
| 18:33.19 | JeffM | they will have to pick a new name |
| 18:33.23 | Mari | yup mari |
| 18:33.28 | JeffM | and register it |
| 18:33.31 | Swigg | How was lunch? |
| 18:33.37 | Swigg | oh wait.. bedtime now |
| 18:33.54 | Mari | 3:30 AM here :( |
| 18:34.07 | Swigg | Go to bed, you insominac! |
| 18:34.18 | Swigg | *insomniac |
| 18:34.39 | Swigg | bento box awaits you tomorrow! |
| 18:34.45 | Mari | thanks Jeff and Swigg, i ll leave now |
| 18:34.52 | Swigg | :) Take care. :) |
| 18:34.58 | Mari | haha, i ll eat noodle today |
| 18:35.10 | Mari | bye |
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| 18:58.04 | *** topic/#bzchat is Welcome to BZChat; the place to talk about your favorite tank game BZFLAG || http://bzflag.org || Forums http://my.bzflag.org/bb || http://my.bzflag.org/w/MapMaking || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/GettingHelp || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Download || non bzflag chat yields to bzflag chat yields to bzflag help. be kind and civil. |
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| 22:18.55 | mudgrenade | #guleague |
| 22:19.13 | JeffM | you need /join |
| 22:19.16 | JeffM | then the channel name |
| 22:19.21 | mudgrenade | i know |
| 22:19.26 | mudgrenade | forgot :) |
| 22:21.28 | mudgrenade | const u there? |
| 22:21.57 | me1 | mudgrenade, to "ping" someone, or get their attention, type out their whole name, like " Constitution " |
| 22:22.43 | mudgrenade | ? |
| 22:23.02 | mudgrenade | whats the difference? |
| 22:23.34 | mudgrenade | Constitution are you there? |
| 22:23.36 | JeffM | they probably do not highlight on just part of the name |
| 22:23.46 | JeffM | mostly because "cosnt" is commonly used in C++ code ;) |
| 22:23.54 | JeffM | I would not highlight on "je" |
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| 22:24.16 | mudgrenade | oh ok thx jeff |
| 22:24.50 | mudgrenade | i hate this stupid web irc can't understand it |
| 22:25.24 | JeffM | then don't use it |
| 22:25.40 | JeffM | get a real client |
| 22:25.45 | mudgrenade | ;D im @ work |
| 22:26.15 | mudgrenade | I have the real client at home |
| 22:26.26 | me1 | use mibbit, it's so much nicer than cgi irc, (it's Ajax, so if you don't have java, beware) |
| 22:27.15 | *** join/#bzchat newnick (n=4b377db9@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:27.23 | JeffM | so install one at work |
| 22:28.05 | newnick | Hi. First time here, so I've no idea what the protocol is, sorry if I mess up somehow. I have a question about running bzflag on my mac |
| 22:28.13 | JeffM | ok |
| 22:29.00 | newnick | I've played it before on my mac, but something's changed, likely because 2 days ago using apple support I restarted the computer while holding down control-option-e-r |
| 22:29.15 | JeffM | you have 10.5 ? |
| 22:29.38 | newnick | in any case, what at first happened was I had high lag, bad jitter, all the tanks were jumpy, and the resolution appeared somehow different. |
| 22:29.39 | newnick | yes |
| 22:29.58 | newnick | so I reinstalled the program, reset all the options I could, same problem |
| 22:30.11 | newnick | but now it won't even start, I get teh following message: |
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| 22:30.35 | newnick | I can't open the program because it's not supported by this architecture |
| 22:32.20 | newnick | When I looked at scoureforge for the 2.0.10 version, a version I had used before, and it worked, I noticed that it's for PPC/x86, but I have the newer macbook Intel processor |
| 22:33.04 | newnick | Anyone here with me? |
| 22:33.32 | newnick | ruskie, are you here? |
| 22:34.18 | JeffM | yeah we have heard reports that 10.5.5 breaks things |
| 22:34.42 | newnick | mm, I guess I'm stuck with this problem for now then |
| 22:35.27 | newnick | what's happening with 2.0.12. Is it out yet? I saw that something of it is, but, because I'm not a dev nor understand all the language, e.g. compiling, |
| 22:35.48 | newnick | I don't know what it is I downloaded, but it certainly isn't the game, but a bunch of files that appear for a dev. |
| 22:36.01 | a_temp_dist | 2.0.10 is the latest stable version for most platforms |
| 22:36.15 | a_temp_dist | 2.0.12 was a special release for a certain linux distro |
| 22:36.36 | a_temp_dist | the devs are working on the 3.0 version now - called 2.99 while in development |
| 22:37.03 | newnick | Is it reasonable to expect that they'll find a way to make it work with 10.5.5? |
| 22:38.07 | JeffM | it's not a problem on our end as far as I know |
| 22:38.33 | newnick | You mean the dev end isn't considering making it work for now? |
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| 22:38.58 | JeffM | I don't belive 3.0 has the problem as people are developing under it now |
| 22:39.06 | JeffM | and 3.0 does a lot differently |
| 22:39.09 | mudgrenade | thanks me1 mibbit is a lot better |
| 22:39.19 | me1 | mudgrenade, np |
| 22:39.20 | JeffM | I doubt .12 fixes it |
| 22:39.31 | JeffM | as .12 is just a build system change for some linuxes |
| 22:39.38 | newnick | 10.5.5 was released in the past week or so, could it be they're not aware of it much yet? |
| 22:39.40 | JeffM | we have no plans to do another 2.0.x mac build |
| 22:39.45 | JeffM | newnick, possibly |
| 22:39.57 | JeffM | if our mac devs have problems with 3.0 they will do what they can to make it work |
| 22:40.15 | newnick | Thanks |
| 22:40.19 | JeffM | you could try to build your own 2.0.13 from svn code, but it's not trivial |
| 22:40.28 | newnick | Is sean morrison the mac dev? |
| 22:40.31 | mudgrenade | What's the problem JeffM ? |
| 22:40.35 | JeffM | he is one of them |
| 22:40.38 | JeffM | mudgrenade, I don't know |
| 22:40.48 | newnick | Should I let him know? |
| 22:40.51 | JeffM | I have just heard reports that 10.5.5 breaks a lot of stuff for some people |
| 22:40.58 | newnick | If I can find a way to contact him? |
| 22:41.00 | JeffM | newnick, best would be to submit a sourceforge bug report |
| 22:41.07 | JeffM | then it gets tracked |
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| 22:41.23 | mudgrenade | The question JeffM? |
| 22:41.32 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:41.37 | newnick | What should I write? I'm not sure if there's some lingo that would be better to use than my vague descriptions from what I see and the little I understand. |
| 22:41.42 | mudgrenade | Whats the question? |
| 22:41.53 | JeffM | newnick, simplly describe the problem you are having |
| 22:41.57 | JeffM | mudgrenade, there is no question |
| 22:42.29 | JeffM | if you are not sure what we are talking about, then trying to butt in is not cool |
| 22:42.29 | mudgrenade | Oh, I seem nosy but whats wrong newnick? |
| 22:42.34 | JeffM | he crashes |
| 22:42.38 | JeffM | under 10.5.5 |
| 22:42.43 | JeffM | kills the machine |
| 22:42.49 | JeffM | hah |
| 22:42.58 | newnick | I've got scoureforge open, but don't see where to report the bug |
| 22:42.59 | JeffM | newnick, it is Probably a video driver issue |
| 22:43.07 | JeffM | under trackers |
| 22:43.09 | Winny | newnick: macbook by chance? |
| 22:43.13 | newnick | yes |
| 22:43.16 | JeffM | probably intel GMA |
| 22:43.24 | Winny | yeah.. known issues with macbooks and 10.5.5 |
| 22:43.25 | JeffM | apple has been screwing up those drivers recently |
| 22:43.31 | Winny | turn off smoothing in the effects setttings |
| 22:43.32 | newnick | Tanks appear very jumpy, I've got high lag and jitter |
| 22:43.43 | newnick | ok, i'll try |
| 22:43.44 | JeffM | yeah low FPS |
| 22:44.27 | newnick | lol, can't. Things went from bad to worse, I can't even open the program any longer, says it's not supported on this architecture! |
| 22:44.51 | Winny | you downloaded the .app, right? |
| 22:45.00 | newnick | .app? Think so |
| 22:45.04 | Winny | try clearing the cache too |
| 22:45.11 | Winny | s/clearing/deleting |
| 22:45.28 | newnick | it's the app |
| 22:45.46 | newnick | cache? You mean the library/application support/bzflag folder? |
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| 22:47.31 | mudgrenade | why was i disconnected? |
| 22:47.43 | me1 | because you left? |
| 22:47.46 | Winny | because something broke |
| 22:47.59 | me1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.07 | newnick | winny, how to I clear the cache? |
| 22:48.12 | me1 | maybe your interwebs went out |
| 22:48.27 | mudgrenade | hmm |
| 22:48.30 | Winny | newnick: yeah, make a backup of that folder in some other location |
| 22:48.33 | Winny | then delete the original |
| 22:49.35 | newnick | I've already deleted it, before I had the problem of not even being able to open bzflag. I was planning on reseting all the option controls. |
| 22:50.03 | Winny | that's what deleting that does |
| 22:50.10 | Winny | it deletes your cache and configuration |
| 22:50.43 | newnick | I put it back, out of the trash, but the program won't start at all. |
| 22:50.51 | mudgrenade | hmm it appears mibbit did that because i was still connected on web irc |
| 22:51.34 | mudgrenade | newnick, i dont think its that simple but what do i know? |
| 22:51.36 | Winny | mudgrenade: get a real client then |
| 22:51.36 | newnick | It may be that 2.0.10 is for PPC/x86, but I've got the intel chip |
| 22:51.54 | mudgrenade | Winny, im at work sorry i cant |
| 22:51.56 | Winny | newnick: No. It works fine on Intel |
| 22:52.03 | newnick | though I'd used the same program on this same computer without a problem. |
| 22:52.16 | mudgrenade | Winny do you remember me? |
| 22:52.28 | Winny | from? |
| 22:52.43 | newnick | winny, I'm not sure you were here earlier when I mentioned this, but two days ago I had a problem and called apple support, |
| 22:53.07 | newnick | one of the things we did was restart my computer while holding the keys command-option-e-r |
| 22:53.37 | Winny | which does? |
| 22:53.51 | newnick | That resets something, not sure what exactly, but only this and possibly the latest update 10.5.5 are the only changes to my computer |
| 22:54.50 | mudgrenade | Winny, from bzflag a while back |
| 22:54.52 | newnick | I was told it resets the computers "knowledge" of what is part of the system, so that it could check to see what is connected, in my case, reconsider what it "knows" to be the disc drive. |
| 22:54.54 | mudgrenade | Goliath? |
| 22:54.59 | Winny | sort of |
| 22:55.01 | Winny | I guess |
| 22:55.13 | mudgrenade | I used to annoy the crap out of you |
| 22:55.18 | mudgrenade | lego's brother |
| 22:55.19 | Winny | fun |
| 22:55.34 | Winny | newnick: was there something wrong with the drive? |
| 22:55.55 | mudgrenade | newnick: you are on intel? |
| 22:56.03 | newnick | Yes, it didn't recognize some discs and ejected them after 10 seconds of attempting to, but now it's fine. |
| 22:56.05 | newnick | yes |
| 22:56.20 | mudgrenade | and you get crashes... on bz? |
| 22:56.41 | newnick | it doesn't crash, but now I have major lag, jitter, tanks appear very jumpy, static |
| 22:56.57 | Winny | newnick: that's due to 10.5.5's driver updates |
| 22:57.00 | Winny | wheee....... |
| 22:57.05 | Winny | gotta love web IRC |
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| 22:58.01 | mudgrenade | What version newnick? |
| 22:58.01 | Winny | he left |
| 22:58.01 | Winny | and so did you |
| 22:58.01 | mudgrenade | Yeah its the webirc |
| 22:58.06 | mudgrenade | he'll rejoin in a second |
| 22:58.35 | mudgrenade | Winny i believe his problem in the version |
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| 22:59.03 | mudgrenade | if its 2.0.10.x i always get lag on my intel |
| 22:59.12 | the | hello? |
| 22:59.13 | Winny | mudgrenade: apple updated the driver |
| 22:59.19 | the | I was newnick |
| 22:59.25 | Winny | we figured ;) |
| 22:59.28 | the | tried to login using my bz name |
| 22:59.33 | Winny | no spaces on IRC |
| 23:00.04 | thegunslinger | are there multiple bz irc chats? |
| 23:00.06 | mudgrenade | i meant his bzflag version |
| 23:00.14 | thegunslinger | 2.0.10 |
| 23:00.32 | mudgrenade | Yeah try updating that gunslinger |
| 23:00.42 | Winny | thegunslinger: there are tons of them, but you need to use a real client to get to them |
| 23:00.50 | mudgrenade | i always get lag on 2.0.10 until i update to 10.0.12 |
| 23:00.55 | thegunslinger | to what? I just downloaded it again, it appears to be 2.0.10 |
| 23:01.03 | Winny | I had a few issues on my mac pro with 2.0.10, but nothing huge... compiling 2.0.13 fixed it |
| 23:01.03 | mudgrenade | oops i mean 2.0.12 |
| 23:01.30 | thegunslinger | I should compile? I don't know how or what that means, but I did download 2.0.12 |
| 23:01.40 | mudgrenade | and? |
| 23:01.50 | thegunslinger | I've got the folder, I don't know what to do with it. |
| 23:01.51 | Winny | I gotta go for a bit.. bbl |
| 23:01.58 | thegunslinger | cya |
| 23:02.01 | mudgrenade | Lol gunslinger |
| 23:02.08 | mudgrenade | you got the source? |
| 23:02.12 | thegunslinger | :-P |
| 23:02.27 | thegunslinger | I thought it was for devs |
| 23:02.34 | mudgrenade | it is |
| 23:02.40 | mudgrenade | thats how you compile it |
| 23:02.40 | thegunslinger | So, how do I compile? |
| 23:02.45 | mudgrenade | ok |
| 23:02.51 | mudgrenade | open up terminal |
| 23:03.06 | thegunslinger | done |
| 23:03.19 | mudgrenade | where is the bz folder? |
| 23:03.33 | thegunslinger | In a folder where downloads end up |
| 23:03.41 | mudgrenade | oh ok |
| 23:04.17 | mudgrenade | now in terminal... type "CD (drag bzflag folder here)" |
| 23:04.33 | JeffM | did he install the dev tools? |
| 23:04.37 | JeffM | and the requirements? |
| 23:04.51 | thegunslinger | without the quotation marks? |
| 23:04.55 | mudgrenade | JeffM its an intel i think it comes with it |
| 23:04.56 | JeffM | I doubt building will help him |
| 23:05.00 | JeffM | mudgrenade, it does not |
| 23:05.06 | JeffM | it's an optional install |
| 23:05.08 | mudgrenade | NO? |
| 23:05.12 | JeffM | he will also need the SDL framework |
| 23:05.14 | mudgrenade | sry caps |
| 23:05.27 | JeffM | it should also not change anything |
| 23:05.30 | mudgrenade | yes, jeff your right |
| 23:05.32 | JeffM | did he turn off smothing? |
| 23:05.37 | thegunslinger | I can't |
| 23:05.39 | mudgrenade | but it helped my client... |
| 23:05.42 | mudgrenade | alot |
| 23:05.43 | thegunslinger | nprogram won't open |
| 23:05.48 | JeffM | open the config and edit it out manual |
| 23:06.20 | thegunslinger | how? |
| 23:06.27 | mudgrenade | w/e jeffM can take over he knows a lot more then i do |
| 23:06.50 | JeffM | where does the OSX version keep it's app data? username/library or somethign? |
| 23:06.52 | thegunslinger | I can open the bz contents and see files, e.g. info.plist |
| 23:06.58 | JeffM | no |
| 23:07.02 | JeffM | it's not in the .app |
| 23:07.05 | JeffM | it's a per user thing |
| 23:07.30 | mudgrenade | yes Jeff OSX config.cfg is in username/library/2.0 |
| 23:07.41 | mudgrenade | acually |
| 23:07.41 | JeffM | find that file and open it |
| 23:07.46 | JeffM | it's a text file |
| 23:07.51 | thegunslinger | the app data? I'm not sure what you mean, I think you mean home/application support/bzflag |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:07.59 | JeffM | wherever it is |
| 23:08.01 | JeffM | find it |
| 23:08.05 | mudgrenade | username/library/application support/bzflag/2.0 |
| 23:08.27 | thegunslinger | got it |
| 23:08.40 | mudgrenade | open config.cfg |
| 23:08.52 | thegunslinger | with what, textedit? |
| 23:08.58 | mudgrenade | sure |
| 23:09.12 | thegunslinger | ok |
| 23:09.24 | JeffM | whatever |
| 23:09.27 | JeffM | it's a text file |
| 23:09.33 | JeffM | find smoothing in it |
| 23:09.42 | JeffM | it'll be like set smothing 1 or something |
| 23:09.47 | JeffM | and it may start with a # |
| 23:10.16 | thegunslinger | ok |
| 23:10.21 | JeffM | what is the line? |
| 23:10.31 | thegunslinger | set smooth 1 |
| 23:10.39 | JeffM | chagne the 1 to 0 |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM | save and run |
| 23:11.14 | thegunslinger | Can't run bz, still says it can't run on this "architecture" |
| 23:11.22 | JeffM | what? |
| 23:11.35 | JeffM | has it always said that? |
| 23:11.48 | thegunslinger | Never, first day ever |
| 23:12.13 | JeffM | I mean did it say that when you tried to run it earler? or is that error new just from editing the config? |
| 23:12.26 | thegunslinger | It said that earlier |
| 23:12.40 | JeffM | when did it not say that? before the update? |
| 23:13.06 | thegunslinger | Before an hour or two ago |
| 23:13.28 | JeffM | what happend right before it started doing that? |
| 23:13.34 | JeffM | any reinstalls or updates? |
| 23:13.37 | thegunslinger | I can't recall any change between when it ran, though poorly, and to when it started giving me this message. |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM | ok |
| 23:13.48 | JeffM | it's dead then |
| 23:13.50 | JeffM | throw it away |
| 23:13.56 | JeffM | and also throw away the config file |
| 23:14.07 | JeffM | was the config file in a folder called 2.0 or bzflag? |
| 23:14.16 | thegunslinger | On Tuesday I had a major update on my os |
| 23:14.23 | mudgrenade | Once again jeff, i suggest a different version if ALL reinstalls dont work |
| 23:14.28 | thegunslinger | 2.0 |
| 23:14.35 | JeffM | throw away the 2.0 folder |
| 23:14.42 | JeffM | mudgrenade, the OSX version isn't 'installed" |
| 23:14.47 | JeffM | something is munched |
| 23:15.00 | JeffM | thegunslinger, did this version EVER run even poorly after you updated your OS? |
| 23:15.03 | mudgrenade | Jeff, i meant the bz version |
| 23:15.13 | JeffM | mudgrenade, I know what you meant |
| 23:15.15 | thegunslinger | I hadn't played the game after the update |
| 23:15.29 | thegunslinger | at least not like it used to be |
| 23:15.58 | JeffM | so is the answer yes or no? |
| 23:16.11 | JeffM | did it ever start, after the update? |
| 23:16.28 | thegunslinger | Yes, I tried to play, but it had, after the update on Tue., major lag, jitter, and tanks were very jumpy |
| 23:17.02 | mudgrenade | gunslinger, do you have an "airport"? |
| 23:17.05 | JeffM | but it ran right? |
| 23:17.17 | JeffM | it did not give THIS current error correct? |
| 23:17.41 | thegunslinger | The only reason I can guess that it stopped running at all is that I downloaded 2.0.10 today, to try to reinstall this version, a version that had previously worked for me. |
| 23:17.47 | thegunslinger | nyes I have airport |
| 23:18.10 | mudgrenade | did the Mac osx update update that? |
| 23:18.12 | JeffM | well let me know when you are going to actualy answer my questions, and I'll see about helping you, untill then feel free to randmly wander and guess |
| 23:18.20 | JeffM | mudgrenade, it has nothing to do with that |
| 23:18.28 | JeffM | low frame rate causes fake lag |
| 23:18.43 | thegunslinger | nHowever, the version I downloaded today, 2.0.10, said on scoureforge that it was for PPC/x86, there was no other version specifically for intel |
| 23:18.51 | JeffM | but hey since you seem to love to sidetrack him |
| 23:18.58 | me1 | thegunslinger, winny said that version works already |
| 23:19.15 | mudgrenade | oh ok jeff |
| 23:19.16 | JeffM | your app is couruped |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM | as is your config dir |
| 23:19.24 | JeffM | probalby from the crash |
| 23:19.31 | mudgrenade | yea trash both and reinstall |
| 23:19.39 | thegunslinger | Ok, I've deleted the app and the application support/bzflag folders |
| 23:19.39 | JeffM | there IS no install for bzflag |
| 23:20.09 | mudgrenade | do a apple space and type in bzflag |
| 23:20.13 | mudgrenade | see what shows up |
| 23:20.21 | thegunslinger | apple space? |
| 23:20.25 | mudgrenade | yes |
| 23:20.48 | thegunslinger | a lot!! |
| 23:20.49 | me1 | mudgrenade, the proper term is "command" space |
| 23:21.24 | mudgrenade | oh, ok jeff now i am "proper" |
| 23:21.26 | JeffM | it also dosn't matter what else he has, since bzflag isn't in the path nor being run by command line |
| 23:22.14 | thegunslinger | lots of Plain Text stuff, safari history and download, etc. |
| 23:22.45 | thegunslinger | thanks for your help and effort btw :-) |
| 23:22.47 | JeffM | you ready to actualy fix this? |
| 23:22.56 | thegunslinger | yes, I need bz ;-) |
| 23:23.12 | JeffM | do you have the DMG from sourceforge? |
| 23:23.21 | me1 | </noob> <serious> |
| 23:23.24 | thegunslinger | no |
| 23:23.31 | JeffM | go download it again |
| 23:23.52 | thegunslinger | actually,, I do have it, in the trash, the source of the app I just trashed |
| 23:24.06 | JeffM | put the DMG back on your desktop and open it |
| 23:24.13 | JeffM | it should have another bzflag.app in it |
| 23:24.18 | JeffM | drag that to your desktop |
| 23:24.26 | JeffM | then read ALL of this, before you double click it |
| 23:24.29 | mudgrenade | well Jeff since i cleary dont know that im talking about ill leave ill be back in 10 |
| 23:24.30 | thegunslinger | done |
| 23:24.36 | mudgrenade | with a real client |
| 23:24.37 | thegunslinger | ok |
| 23:24.50 | JeffM | start it, then if it starts, even if it's slow. quit normaly |
| 23:24.50 | thegunslinger | thanks mud |
| 23:24.55 | mudgrenade | ca all |
| 23:24.58 | mudgrenade | cya |
| 23:25.06 | JeffM | if it does not start, tell me |
| 23:25.09 | JeffM | do that now |
| 23:25.24 | thegunslinger | wow, it started, and I quit |
| 23:25.27 | JeffM | ok good |
| 23:25.33 | JeffM | now go to that 2.0 folder |
| 23:25.37 | JeffM | and open the config file |
| 23:26.05 | thegunslinger | ok |
| 23:27.13 | thegunslinger | done |
| 23:27.31 | JeffM | find the smothing line |
| 23:27.34 | JeffM | and set it to 0 |
| 23:27.35 | JeffM | save |
| 23:27.40 | JeffM | then run bzflag again |
| 23:27.45 | JeffM | see if it runs better for you |
| 23:27.58 | thegunslinger | btw, there is a line with the following: #set roamSmoothTime 0.5 |
| 23:28.03 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 23:28.09 | JeffM | that's not graphical |
| 23:28.16 | thegunslinger | ok |
| 23:28.32 | JeffM | or his system could turd out right then |
| 23:28.40 | *** join/#bzchat thegunslinger (n=4b377db9@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:28.55 | thegunslinger | I think I accidentally left |
| 23:29.00 | JeffM | you did |
| 23:29.42 | thegunslinger | Thanks, I think that worked |
| 23:30.07 | JeffM | good |
| 23:30.17 | thegunslinger | Is the line I changed to 0 the same as the options in the game Smoothing On or Off? |
| 23:30.21 | JeffM | basicly apple broke your driver |
| 23:30.27 | JeffM | off |
| 23:30.28 | thegunslinger | Weird |
| 23:30.36 | JeffM | they break crap all the time |
| 23:30.41 | thegunslinger | What exactly does smoothing do? |
| 23:30.47 | JeffM | smooths |
| 23:31.00 | thegunslinger | Movement appears less jumpy? |
| 23:31.11 | JeffM | you had low framerate |
| 23:31.19 | thegunslinger | What's that mean? |
| 23:31.30 | JeffM | you were not drawing very many frames per second |
| 23:31.43 | JeffM | because your driver has trouble with smoothing |
| 23:31.47 | thegunslinger | Because my computer isn't that ... powerful? |
| 23:31.50 | JeffM | no |
| 23:31.52 | JeffM | driver |
| 23:32.02 | JeffM | the intel GMA chipset CAN do it, the driver isn't doing it well |
| 23:32.09 | JeffM | well that and it kinda sucks |
| 23:32.25 | JeffM | it isn't made for games |
| 23:32.32 | thegunslinger | If I had a macbook pro that comes with a separate video processor would that have made it better? |
| 23:32.38 | JeffM | possibly |
| 23:32.57 | JeffM | the chips in them tend to do better at it, and have higher quality drivers |
| 23:33.19 | thegunslinger | Well, thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. How did you learn all about this? Programmer? |
| 23:33.32 | JeffM | how did I learn about crapy apple hardware? the hard way |
| 23:33.34 | JeffM | ;) |
| 23:34.09 | thegunslinger | You use apple? |
| 23:34.16 | JeffM | not anymore |
| 23:34.20 | thegunslinger | lol |
| 23:34.23 | thegunslinger | why? |
| 23:34.37 | JeffM | didn't feel like spending an extra 1000$ just to run another OS |
| 23:35.42 | thegunslinger | Good reason, especially if you know how to maneuver in the world of computers. I don't know much, so I look for the simple, if possible |
| 23:36.41 | JeffM | and that is why you are at the mercy of them breaking things |
| 23:37.16 | thegunslinger | Do you know more about what is happening when apple is "breaking" things? |
| 23:37.38 | thegunslinger | I mean, it's kind of mysterious to me and I want to know something of the cause. |
| 23:37.54 | me1 | At apple headquarters some of the devs choose a random FOSS project and do something to make it not work. Just because. |
| 23:37.54 | thegunslinger | other than that it's simply apple causing breaks. |
| 23:38.01 | JeffM | they changed the driver, and added bugs |
| 23:38.13 | JeffM | the new driver works worse then the old one |
| 23:38.27 | thegunslinger | lol, you mean they're not careful enough when they distribute the os? |
| 23:39.16 | thegunslinger | I doubt you meant they're malicious, but maybe careless, or not quite thorough enough to deal with all the apps that come their way |
| 23:39.26 | Winny | thegunslinger: they can't test every app with every model of hardware |
| 23:40.37 | thegunslinger | I can appreciate that. I'm amazed however, that people like you guys, I'm assuming you're not working for apple, nevertheless have a knowledge of the working inside apple machines |
| 23:40.49 | thegunslinger | Are you programmers, devs? I'm not, either. |
| 23:42.48 | thegunslinger | One last question, are there multiple irc chats about bzflag? I mean, I see all these names on the right, but only three of u are coming around here |
| 23:43.51 | me1 | there is #bzflag, ##bzw, and serveral server-related channels |
| 23:44.17 | thegunslinger | how are these different? |
| 23:44.54 | me1 | well, #bzflag is the development channel, #bzchat is the chat channel, ##bzw is about the bzw format, and it's unofficial, and the server channels are for help with servers |
| 23:45.52 | thegunslinger | Thanks, and thanks to all that helped me with this problem. Hopefully I'll see you on the field somewhere ;-) |
| 23:46.03 | me1 | #bzflag or #bzchat should be the only channels you need to get help with bzflag. |
| 23:46.23 | thegunslinger | Thanks |
| 23:47.17 | *** join/#bzchat Legolas_ (n=legodude@ppp-69-106-132-149.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 23:47.24 | Legolas_ | hello :) |
| 23:47.35 | me1 | hello |
| 23:47.37 | mudgrenade | hello :) |
| 23:47.50 | mudgrenade | im on a real client now :) |
| 23:48.29 | mudgrenade | JeffM did gunslinger get it figured out? |
| 23:48.47 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:48.56 | mudgrenade | cool :) |
| 23:49.25 | mudgrenade | was i totally wrong? |
| 23:49.46 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:49.51 | mudgrenade | figured :) |
| 23:49.54 | mudgrenade | always am |
| 23:52.36 | JeffM | he had a pooched app and config dir |
| 23:52.44 | JeffM | redoing both got him booting |
| 23:52.51 | JeffM | then he turned off smothing and was fine |
| 23:54.07 | mudgrenade | good :) |