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| 20:20.56 | Winny | JeffM: are they wiping all # channels that aren't part of am org? |
| 20:21.04 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:21.09 | JeffM | # means part of a real org |
| 20:21.23 | JeffM | as in has an approved org application |
| 20:21.31 | JeffM | and follows the org name system |
| 20:21.33 | JeffM | like this one is fine |
| 20:21.40 | JeffM | cus it's an offiical bzflag channel |
| 20:22.11 | JeffM | so dub, divi, kas, silvercat, hepcat, bzfx, etc.. will get booted cus they don't have orgs on file |
| 20:22.16 | JeffM | and probably would NOT be approved for one |
| 20:26.22 | Winny | when is the update? "when they get 'around to it"? |
| 20:26.30 | JeffM | it is on a testing network now |
| 20:26.37 | JeffM | there is no hard date for it |
| 20:26.49 | JeffM | but if they are telling org owners about it, I would not expect it to be that far off |
| 20:26.53 | JeffM | I'd guess a week or so |
| 20:27.00 | Winny | ah |
| 20:27.13 | JeffM | get it done sooner rather than later and you'll be fine |
| 20:28.04 | JeffM | I have a feeling they are going to get a lot more otehr features out of the upgrade so I don't think they are running it like we run releases ;) |
| 20:28.11 | Winny | I have no channels in this predicament :) |
| 20:28.16 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:28.23 | JeffM | guess it sucks to be met |
| 20:28.29 | Winny | I assume they don't care about ##bz<something> |
| 20:28.41 | JeffM | I told him about it when he reged the name |
| 20:28.41 | JeffM | ## is an abbount channel |
| 20:28.41 | JeffM | and fits there namespace |
| 20:28.43 | Winny | k |
| 20:28.52 | JeffM | about channel :) |
| 20:28.53 | JeffM | so yeah |
| 20:29.04 | JeffM | now if push comes to shove with resources, they start booting ##'s first |
| 20:29.17 | Winny | makes sense |
| 20:29.19 | JeffM | they are doing this swap to make sure they have that system in place IIRC |
| 20:29.58 | JeffM | now for like ##bzw, I could probalby be convinced to make #bzflag-maphelp |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM | as I don't think it's a huge risk |
| 20:30.30 | JeffM | I've even pondered #bzflag-leagues-LEAUGENAME |
| 20:30.42 | JeffM | but that is more work and risk on our part |
| 20:30.46 | Winny | why not just #bzflag-guleague |
| 20:30.54 | Winny | seems rather long winded the other way |
| 20:31.01 | JeffM | leauges are not part of the project |
| 20:31.21 | JeffM | so I'd not want to put it on the same implied footing as like #bzflag-serverhelp or something |
| 20:31.33 | JeffM | #bzflag is our namespace |
| 20:31.58 | JeffM | by puting it out one level it shows that we are just being nice |
| 20:32.05 | JeffM | but it's not part of the core poject |
| 20:32.12 | JeffM | kinda our own version of ## |
| 20:32.39 | JeffM | like if push came to shove for our org, I'd ditch #bzflag-teams-WHATEVER channels first |
| 20:32.48 | JeffM | then consolodate helps |
| 20:32.58 | JeffM | then ditch leagues if we had to, etc.. |
| 20:33.31 | JeffM | now I probably could be convinced to do a #bzflag-guleauge alias that redirectd for ease of use |
| 20:36.32 | Winny | damn.. havent listened to much rick astley lately.. hmm |
| 20:39.40 | BulletCatcher | It seems to me that people who are capable of understanding that something like #bzflag-leagues-gu is not an "official" part of BZFlag could understand the same thing about #bzflag-guleague. The rest of the people won't read any further than #bzflag to assign responsibility. |
| 20:39.59 | JeffM | possibly |
| 20:40.05 | JeffM | but like I say, I've only been pondering it |
| 20:40.16 | JeffM | probably only go that way if freenode start kicking ## channels |
| 20:40.33 | JeffM | as going #bzflag- offers the league no benifit |
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| 20:41.09 | BulletCatcher | Yes. There is no need to make a decision as long as the ## channels are allowed. |
| 20:43.26 | Winny | JeffM: why would they kick 'em? Too much network traffic? |
| 20:43.37 | JeffM | Winny: possibly |
| 20:43.49 | JeffM | worst case cenario would be if they lost a number of hosts |
| 20:44.01 | blast007 | it's the global economy. There's a shortage of channel names. |
| 20:44.02 | Winny | ouch |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM | and the about load was impacting the real org stuff |
| 20:44.41 | JeffM | I could see some of the host donators thinking twice about being able to donate this year |
| 20:45.11 | BulletCatcher | blast007: I hear we may have to shorten the name of the project to bzflg to conserve bits. :-) |
| 20:45.18 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:45.32 | JeffM | it's more about use then names ;) |
| 20:45.41 | blast007 | but that's more about the vowel shortage than name shortage |
| 20:45.49 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 20:45.51 | JeffM | if the ## channels become havens for warez and stuff, they may just disallow them |
| 20:45.57 | JeffM | and only allow offiical org biz on the network |
| 20:46.13 | JeffM | for freenodes saftey I could see them taking that action if they had to |
| 20:47.28 | JeffM | I mean letting a group of game players talk about a funny network video on some ## team channel isn't exactly what freenode was made for ;) |
| 20:49.42 | BulletCatcher | Supporting the game requires supporting the community, and when the community congregates they will talk about whatever they want. |
| 20:50.07 | BulletCatcher | But I understand that there are always limits. |
| 20:50.21 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:50.36 | JeffM | we are a little diffrent then a normal open source project |
| 20:50.50 | JeffM | it's not like there is ##youtube to support #firefox ;) |
| 20:51.00 | BulletCatcher | You mean there is no #ftgl-chat channel? :-) |
| 20:51.12 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:51.19 | JeffM | techincaly I should call this #bzflag-help |
| 20:51.41 | Winny | It would be interesting if freenode had it's own IRCD |
| 20:51.52 | JeffM | Winny: they do |
| 20:51.52 | Winny | er |
| 20:51.53 | Winny | bzflag |
| 20:51.55 | Winny | :P |
| 20:52.01 | JeffM | it's a modification of dancer |
| 20:56.54 | BulletCatcher | If BZFlag were to provide (i.e., fund) a freenode node, that would almost certainly give us enough leverage to have all of the channels we want. But I suspect it would easier and cheaper to just pay the existing freenode infrastructure to give us the channels we want, if it comes to that. |
| 20:57.28 | BulletCatcher | We'd have to sell a lot more t-shirts. |
| 20:59.12 | JeffM | actualy we'd simply just run our own IRCD |
| 20:59.39 | BulletCatcher | An independent IRC network? |
| 20:59.58 | JeffM | ether that or part of freenode |
| 21:00.25 | JeffM | if we went with IRC for in game chant for instace, I'd start an IRCD on .bz, .de, or awesomelaser.com |
| 21:00.32 | JeffM | and just have everyone use that |
| 21:00.36 | JeffM | heck, do it on all 3 ;) |
| 21:00.43 | JeffM | it's not like we don't have servers |
| 21:05.09 | BulletCatcher | Staying part of freenode means we can take full advantage of their support infrastructure, such as channel ops. We wouldn't be able to provide nearly as high a level of service if we did it all ourselves. |
| 21:05.52 | Winny | but ops would be able to be more liberal with klines and such |
| 21:06.56 | BulletCatcher | Yes. Being in full control means making your own rules, but the costs are non-trivial. |
| 21:08.09 | BulletCatcher | I assume that the lack of spambots in the bzflag channels is due to the fine work of freenode staff, for example. |
| 21:08.37 | Winny | probably more because most spammers target much larger channels |
| 21:08.45 | Winny | such as #freenode, #defocus, ##windows |
| 21:08.46 | Winny | etc |
| 21:09.12 | BulletCatcher | I have been on larger freenode channels, and it isn't any worse there. |
| 21:09.32 | Winny | lucky for you |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM | most of what they do is automated |
| 21:17.28 | JeffM | I'm fairly certain we could get an exact copy of the freenode software and settings ;) |
| 21:17.40 | JeffM | but yes, it'd be a risk vs. reward case |
| 21:18.33 | JeffM | and yeah less network exposure would help us |
| 21:18.44 | JeffM | we'd not show up in any of the irc client lists :) |
| 21:19.35 | Winny | JeffM: wonder how hard it would be to tie in game names with IRCD |
| 21:22.12 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 21:23.19 | Winny | so if we had abzflag IRC network, one could use the same name on IRC and in game |
| 21:23.56 | JeffM | bzflag would have to change |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM | you'd basicly link nickserv to weblogin |
| 21:24.22 | JeffM | but it would be VERY dooable |
| 21:27.38 | JeffM | the hardest part would be changing the existing names in phpbb and bzflag to match |
| 21:27.42 | JeffM | no spaces |
| 21:28.58 | Winny | ah yeah, never thought of that |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM | we could convert of course |
| 21:29.38 | JeffM | step1) disallow new names, and changes to names with spaces |
| 21:29.43 | JeffM | 2) find all the space names |
| 21:29.48 | JeffM | send them an email, tell em to change |
| 21:29.57 | JeffM | after some deadline, change all space names to _ |
| 21:30.00 | JeffM | or something |
| 21:30.05 | JeffM | then we are good |
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| 21:46.12 | JeffM | goes to a party del los buelos superos |
| 21:48.36 | Winny | weirdo |
| 21:57.44 | spldart | Whew. Got my new self refurbished onkyo reciever set up with a 6.1 speaker system, the .1 is a hand build powered sub I made a few months ago, Got the Hi def tuner hooked to my projecter so as to do the 13 foot screen thing.... I have 4 bags of chips, tons of beer, lots of dip, candy etc for the family. I think I'm ready for superbowl. |
| 22:02.27 | Winny | spldart: hand made? wow |
| 22:02.32 | Winny | how does it sound |
| 22:03.15 | spldart | I've done lots of enclosures so that's easy. 12 " driver. ported. The amp is only 100 watts but the sub was selected for efficiency so the box is semi large. |
| 22:03.22 | spldart | Fairly commanding base. |
| 22:03.42 | Winny | :o |
| 22:03.44 | spldart | Remember I'm an e-tech with some engineering experience so this is up my alley) |
| 22:04.14 | spldart | Picked up the onkyo reciever cheap and put $23.86 in parts in it... fixed. |
| 22:04.38 | spldart | Just got all this hooked up though. Just in time. |
| 22:07.43 | temp_dist | "hooked up" ? |
| 22:08.09 | spldart | Ran all 150 feet of speaker wire. cables between components etcetc |
| 22:08.13 | temp_dist | sweet |
| 22:08.39 | spldart | Last super bowl here was low def big screen with stereo sound... This should be much more fun. |
| 22:08.42 | temp_dist | i need to do that with coax, but I'm going to have to go against the studs |
| 22:08.49 | temp_dist | don't want to drill holes |
| 22:09.56 | spldart | I just did the under carpet thing.. I might go back and route up walls across the attic and back down other walls at some later time. |
| 22:10.13 | spldart | Talk about breaking a sweat though 8-0 |
| 22:10.21 | spldart | hours |
| 22:10.26 | temp_dist | ick |
| 22:10.28 | Winny | I hope it's an HD projector :p |
| 22:10.33 | spldart | yep |
| 22:10.37 | Winny | :D |
| 22:10.48 | spldart | I turned it on for a bit during some motocross race earlier to test |
| 22:10.50 | spldart | nice pic |
| 22:11.26 | spldart | This is gonna be so way sweeter than regular def, stereo sound.. as I said ;) |
| 22:12.08 | spldart | My boss is just watching on his 60" plasma... He sounded a touch jelouse of my 'viewable area' |
| 22:12.23 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:12.46 | Winny | I'd watch if I liked football :P |
| 22:12.57 | spldart | I normally don't watch football |
| 22:13.18 | spldart | superbowl is an exception... and an excuse for a splurge in family time. |
| 22:13.23 | Winny | the only reason I occasionally watch is to make fun on John Madden |
| 22:13.26 | Winny | er, fun of |
| 22:13.42 | Winny | he's specia; |
| 22:13.57 | spldart | Besides... I used to root for the Steelers all the time back when Terry Bradshaw quarterbacked... It brings back fond memories. |
| 22:15.08 | spldart | Can't believe I forgot to buy and optical cable though. :( |
| 22:16.55 | temp_dist | make your own! |
| 22:18.07 | spldart | funny |
| 22:18.09 | spldart | :) |
| 22:18.17 | spldart | I guess they may have kits. |
| 22:19.01 | spldart | I'lll just buy a couple 6 footers soon. |
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