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| 00:02.26 | TD-Linux | you can't have a pure CSS layout :) |
| 00:02.33 | TD-Linux | it still has to have HTML tags |
| 00:02.37 | a_meteorite | you can have a pure semantic layout styled via CSS |
| 00:02.38 | blast007 | TD-Linux: his point was pushing the presentational portion of a webpage into CSS instead of using tables as a crutch |
| 00:02.50 | a_meteorite | Winny: hop in |
| 00:03.02 | Winny | tables were NOT meant to be used as a layout device |
| 00:03.16 | blast007 | Winny: put your left foot in, put your left foot out, put your left foot in, and shake it all about |
| 00:03.19 | a_meteorite | presentational and style inherently make sense to be separate |
| 00:03.25 | TD-Linux | you end up including layout in HTML no matter what anyway |
| 00:03.30 | Winny | it is one million times easier (yes, one million) to make a proper layout using divs, spans, etc |
| 00:03.34 | a_meteorite | then you're doing it wrong |
| 00:03.47 | a_meteorite | HTML should be nothing more than a semantic hook and anchor for your CSS |
| 00:04.04 | blast007 | a_meteorite: so you're saying that if you turned off CSS on a webpage you had, it would have absoutely no layout? |
| 00:04.11 | blast007 | you made* |
| 00:04.41 | Winny | if you think CSS doesn't offer enough benefits to move from tables, you need to do some research |
| 00:04.43 | Winny | seriously |
| 00:04.50 | a_meteorite | if would have layout, according to the default styles of the semantic HTML you use |
| 00:08.12 | Constitution | ~dict semantic |
| 00:08.30 | a_meteorite | HTML elements of themselves have semantics, tables do not, since they are meant for tabular data. |
| 00:08.44 | a_meteorite | the only semantics they carry is when they are used for their intended purpose. |
| 00:09.41 | Constitution | "HTML elements"... as in span and div? |
| 00:09.57 | a_meteorite | you are thinking of div/span-itis |
| 00:10.26 | a_meteorite | there are other elements which make sense in certain places such as <hx>, <strong>, <ul>/<li> and even the id or class names themselves |
| 00:10.38 | Winny | div span, header, images, lists, links, etc |
| 00:11.23 | Constitution | I fail to see the semantic significance of <strong> |
| 00:11.26 | a_meteorite | indeed |
| 00:11.58 | a_meteorite | Constitution: a <strong>'s contents are inherently of something importance, or of other complimentary use |
| 00:12.12 | a_meteorite | for example, possibly a date under a header |
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| 00:28.37 | TD-Linux | Winny: s/tables/generic divs ? |
| 00:28.43 | TD-Linux | at least compare apples to apples :) |
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| 22:59.31 | spldart | Where does one go to find in Vista to add say a folder with a specific group of apps inside it to go in my 'start' menu? |
| 23:00.23 | tj13820 | you want the folder for your start menu? |
| 23:00.49 | spldart | I gues that's what I want.. like in documents and settings user start menu |
| 23:00.51 | spldart | in xp |
| 23:01.08 | tj13820 | right click on start and go to "Explore all users" |
| 23:01.15 | spldart | I'd like to organize a bit |
| 23:01.17 | tj13820 | that's the same thing |
| 23:02.04 | tj13820 | not everything will show up in that though, so you will have to go to "C:\Documents and Settings\name***\Start Menu\Programs" |
| 23:02.13 | spldart | Ah! right click on "all programs" and click "explore all users" |
| 23:02.28 | tj13820 | lol |
| 23:02.48 | tj13820 | right, but also go to the other one, as not everything is in the "ALL USERS" folder |
| 23:03.50 | spldart | I'm not seeing a "documents and settings" in c: though I expect that in xp but I don't see it here |
| 23:04.21 | me1 | vista? it's under \users\ iirc |
| 23:04.54 | spldart | C:\users\me\ what? |
| 23:05.44 | me1 | c;\users\you\start menu |
| 23:05.50 | me1 | if they didn't change that too |
| 23:06.02 | spldart | can't find 'start menu' |
| 23:06.03 | spldart | huh |
| 23:06.06 | spldart | well |
| 23:06.21 | spldart | let me try tj13820's first idea... see if that get's me what I want |
| 23:06.50 | me1 | you can just right click on program files and hit 'explore' that'll give you _your_ start menu |
| 23:07.14 | me1 | er, not program files, all programs |
| 23:07.48 | spldart | Ah.. That was tj's idea... |
| 23:08.12 | spldart | Still getting used to modern 64 windoze.. I was stuck in the stone age for a few years. |
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