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| 05:52.40 | I_Died_Once | you up? |
| 05:52.45 | JeffM | yep |
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| 09:15.57 | TutTankAhmon | hi , bzfolks |
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| 17:39.57 | spldart | I think I'm finally ready to get that video card for my new pc. Something that will pull some decent fps yet not break the budget. |
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| 18:03.59 | JefferyM | how much do you want to spend spldart ? |
| 18:05.47 | spldart | I'm thinking in the 70 to 80 bux range... nvidia... I'm sure that can buy me something that can outperform this 3200 hd on board gpu.. The only extra I need is HDMI out. Since i'm hooking this to my 40 sony lcd. |
| 18:05.53 | spldart | dunno |
| 18:05.59 | spldart | might go a bit higher on price |
| 18:06.13 | JefferyM | 9600 |
| 18:06.26 | spldart | nvidia only cuz it's so much easier to build a successful module for linux. |
| 18:06.27 | spldart | ah |
| 18:06.46 | spldart | 9600 kick butt on the 3200 hd? |
| 18:06.53 | JefferyM | it'll be better |
| 18:07.15 | JefferyM | for "kick butt" you need to spend closer to 150 |
| 18:07.20 | spldart | Hrm.. Almost sounds like I should increas.... |
| 18:07.21 | spldart | ah |
| 18:07.48 | JefferyM | and at that point I'd go ATI |
| 18:07.53 | JefferyM | 4850 |
| 18:08.03 | spldart | I might jump to 100 bux but 150 is getting outside reason for me... ati. interesting |
| 18:08.40 | JefferyM | then just get a 9600 and you'll be fine |
| 18:11.20 | spldart | I'm kinda celebrating the success of my payoff debt and credit score repair plan. My creditors are starting to love me again now that my debt and liablity load is so low.. They are raising my max's... And I'm ironically yet in a very limited fashion celebrating by getting a couple toys for myself on one of my cards ;) |
| 18:17.00 | BulletCatcher | Can you lend me a few bucks? |
| 18:18.51 | joevano | spldart: don't go overboard or you will have a new plan :P |
| 18:19.04 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:19.11 | Erroneous | the 3200 is really weak; a 9600gt is a MAJOR improvement |
| 18:19.35 | spldart | Oh good |
| 18:19.58 | spldart | welp.. Newegg is practically unresponsive for me right now so I guess I'll shop when I get home. |
| 18:20.08 | Erroneous | not 'cause the 9600 is a fast card, though it's no slouch; more because the 3200 sucks |
| 18:20.15 | spldart | 1 vid card and 1 really big hdd |
| 18:20.53 | spldart | it's a little wierd... I had a 9600 pro several years ago.. ati ;-p |
| 18:21.15 | spldart | I will prolly always think ati first when I think of 9600 |
| 18:22.23 | Erroneous | if you're looking at the $150 price range for nvidia, the card to look at is the GTS250 |
| 18:23.18 | spldart | gets a post it note for this |
| 18:23.26 | Erroneous | the 4850 is slightly faster at the same price point, but you have to put up with ATI's drivers |
| 18:24.19 | spldart | I don't if it's me but I have terrible luck with ati on linux. |
| 18:24.42 | Erroneous | it's not just you :) |
| 18:24.49 | spldart | heh |
| 18:25.14 | Erroneous | that's why I mentioned it. no big deal on windows, but it can certainly be a dealbreaker on linux |
| 18:27.54 | spldart | Is there a sweet spot in price vs performance that is somewhere between my target budget and that gts250? I often when goin to purchase hdd's calculate gigabyte to dollar ratios to find where my money is best spent. |
| 18:30.49 | Erroneous | the prices on 9800GTs have come down, you might look at those |
| 18:31.39 | Erroneous | both card manufacturers are pretty good about keeping a reasonably flat price/performance curve these days. if you pay more you get more. |
| 18:31.57 | Erroneous | until you exceed $225 or so |
| 18:32.15 | Erroneous | then it balloons ridiculously for minimal benefit |
| 18:32.44 | Erroneous | but I don't think you're looking at cards in that range :) |
| 18:37.09 | spldart | sry.. got quiet... boss asked a question |
| 18:37.27 | spldart | ok |
| 18:37.31 | spldart | thanks alot for the input |
| 18:43.41 | Erroneous | 9800GT is ~$100, 9800GTX+ is ~$130. 9800GT/GTX+ and GTS250 are all G92b's, just clocked differently. |
| 18:45.50 | spldart | Hrm... I might do 100 and get what I assume is a newer gpu than the 9600 |
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| 20:04.32 | Erroneous | spldart: the 9600 is "newer" than the 9800 (it's G94) |
| 20:04.46 | Erroneous | the 9800 was the first one in the series |
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| 22:31.17 | spldart | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125270 ? |
| 22:31.36 | spldart | Past my planned price range but looks like it might be worth it. |
| 22:32.03 | JefferyM | only one DVI :( |
| 22:33.36 | spldart | I must have hdmi |
| 22:34.07 | JefferyM | k |
| 22:34.12 | JefferyM | there are many ways to get HDMI :) |
| 22:34.40 | spldart | Is there a way to plug something cheap into the dvi to extract hdmi? |
| 22:35.09 | JefferyM | yes |
| 22:35.15 | JefferyM | if the card supports it |
| 22:35.39 | JefferyM | my ATI shiped with an HDMI plug that connects to the DVI port |
| 22:35.51 | spldart | ah |
| 22:35.59 | JefferyM | hell they sell DVI<-> HDMI cables at frys |
| 22:36.26 | JefferyM | http://www.amazon.com/DVI-HDMI-Cable-6ft-Male-Male/dp/B0002CZHN6 |
| 22:36.28 | spldart | I guess I can consider that.. dvi isn't high on my list at this time. None of my monitors in the entire house support it. |
| 22:36.35 | JefferyM | NONE? |
| 22:36.38 | JefferyM | wtf? |
| 22:36.40 | spldart | Nope |
| 22:36.45 | JefferyM | what are you CRT? |
| 22:36.52 | spldart | 3 lcd and the rest are crt |
| 22:36.58 | JefferyM | must be some old LCDs |
| 22:36.59 | spldart | and of course this lcd makes 4 |
| 22:37.43 | spldart | But this isn't a true monitor., it's a home theater flat screen. So HDMI, VGA, Component, Composite and svideo is all it's got. |
| 22:38.32 | JefferyM | you don't use a blueray or HDDVD drive in the PC do you? |
| 22:38.49 | spldart | Not yet. blueray is on the future upgrade list. |
| 22:39.04 | JefferyM | then get a card that supports HCPI |
| 22:39.10 | JefferyM | or whatever it is |
| 22:44.10 | spldart | Hrm.. perhaps I'll strike the bluray and hdcp idea from potential upgrades. |
| 22:44.29 | JefferyM | most modern cards should suport it |
| 22:46.16 | JefferyM | my 4850 supports it, but my display does not :( |
| 22:58.57 | spldart | crap. I can't believe I'm considering breaking my budget so bad. |
| 22:59.17 | blast007 | "HDCP", I believe |
| 22:59.35 | JefferyM | yeah that thing |
| 22:59.36 | spldart | Yeah. and the card I'm considering now does have that. |
| 22:59.47 | JefferyM | honestly, a 9600 is hella fast |
| 23:00.12 | JefferyM | it's what I have here at work |
| 23:00.25 | spldart | Well... I wanted to be significantly faster than this 3200. Not just a bit faster. So I could stand pat for quite a while. |
| 23:00.37 | JefferyM | the 3200 aint' a powerhouse ;) |
| 23:00.59 | spldart | true that. But it wastes the nvid 6200 I was using pretty well. |
| 23:02.03 | spldart | what kinda fps were you getting off your 9600 on bzflag? |
| 23:02.18 | JefferyM | well duh, the 6200 is like 4 years old |
| 23:02.38 | JefferyM | fps in bzflag are always over 100 |
| 23:02.40 | spldart | depending on map and at 1920x1080 this 3200 gets like 45 fps at the worst and 100+ at the best. |
| 23:02.42 | JefferyM | aka pointless |
| 23:02.59 | JefferyM | I dont' play much here but I can't see it being a problem for bz |
| 23:03.11 | JefferyM | bzflag != killer app |
| 23:03.21 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:03.48 | JefferyM | IIRC the 9600 is about as fast as the nvidia 8800GT |
| 23:03.52 | spldart | So... unless I get halo or UT umpteen I'm good to go |
| 23:04.03 | JefferyM | those too are also old apps |
| 23:04.07 | JefferyM | and would probaly run fine |
| 23:04.22 | JefferyM | once you start getting close to something released in the last year, maybe |
| 23:05.01 | spldart | goes to look at the 9600 cards some more. It could save some key funds for the extra large HDD purchase department. |
| 23:05.10 | JefferyM | also IIRC Erroneous uses(used) at 9600 at home quite a bit |
| 23:06.01 | spldart | hrm... I need to research all these suffixes too. GT, XT, Pro, etc etc |
| 23:06.09 | JefferyM | it's just clocking |
| 23:06.11 | JefferyM | GT should be fine |
| 23:06.15 | spldart | ah |
| 23:06.23 | JefferyM | minor variations in clocking wont' affect you in the long run much |
| 23:06.33 | JefferyM | it's all going to be a lot better then the 3200 compartivaly |
| 23:07.22 | JefferyM | I used an 8800GT for a long while and it was fine |
| 23:07.31 | JefferyM | untill I got AOC |
| 23:07.42 | JefferyM | or was it LOTRO |
| 23:07.55 | JefferyM | it was some game, and then the 4850 was a good step up |
| 23:08.11 | Winny | Lord of the rings... what's the O? |
| 23:08.14 | Winny | online? |
| 23:08.15 | JefferyM | Online |
| 23:08.16 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 23:08.18 | CBG` | Yeah. |
| 23:08.18 | Winny | ah, k |
| 23:08.36 | JefferyM | and figure I ran that at a higher res then you did, on a slower CPU |
| 23:08.37 | spldart | Only 20 bux seperates the 9800 and 9600 gt with hdmi's |
| 23:08.49 | JefferyM | and what's the speed diff in clock? |
| 23:08.52 | spldart | Makes it seem like I might as well when I look at it that way |
| 23:08.59 | spldart | checks |
| 23:08.59 | Think_Differentl | spldart, you could get an ATI card for a bit less with a dongle for HDMI |
| 23:09.09 | Think_Differentl | ATI driver support on linux seems to be bad though. |
| 23:09.17 | spldart | no ati for me. any more |
| 23:09.20 | JefferyM | the radeon HD driver is a lot better |
| 23:09.28 | JefferyM | spldart, you know your CPU was made by ATI right? ;) |
| 23:09.42 | spldart | Yep |
| 23:09.45 | Think_Differentl | I haven't tried booting linux since I got my 4870. |
| 23:09.48 | spldart | amd/ati |
| 23:10.04 | spldart | Don't need some buggy driver for my cpu though heh |
| 23:10.09 | JefferyM | Think_Differentl, use the radeonHD driver, it works better |
| 23:10.50 | Think_Differentl | heh, okay. I could care less about driver performance in linux though, most of the games I play are on windows. But I'll keep that in mind. |
| 23:11.13 | CBG` | I have a feeling the price on this has gone up but I asked for it at Christmas because it was a steal at the time: http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/6167087/PNY-Verto-Geforce-9800-GT-512MB-DDR3-PCI-Express-X16-Graphics-Card/Product.html |
| 23:11.16 | spldart | 9800 core/memory 700/1800 9600 700/1800 but with fewer stream processors |
| 23:11.32 | CBG` | Haven't really been following though so sorry if it's way off the mark. |
| 23:11.33 | spldart | harumph |
| 23:11.43 | JefferyM | the 9800 has less stream processors? |
| 23:12.10 | spldart | no.. 9600 |
| 23:12.15 | JefferyM | how many less? |
| 23:12.21 | spldart | 112 for 98, 64 for 9600 |
| 23:12.26 | Think_Differentl | spldart, are you going to play lots of games? |
| 23:12.34 | JefferyM | hmmm |
| 23:12.35 | Think_Differentl | or just use it for the HDMI |
| 23:12.40 | spldart | I may be playing more in the near future |
| 23:12.41 | spldart | heh |
| 23:12.46 | Think_Differentl | seeing as you got by with just the 6200 |
| 23:12.48 | JefferyM | 20$ is worth it for the streams |
| 23:12.56 | JefferyM | everythign goes thru them now |
| 23:13.10 | blast007 | spldart: my 3GHz C2D with a 9800GTX+ can pretty much run anything maxed out at 1920x1200, if that's useful |
| 23:13.19 | blast007 | (AA turned off though typically) |
| 23:13.33 | JefferyM | his cpu isn't near that fast ;) |
| 23:13.42 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:13.43 | blast007 | k |
| 23:13.51 | spldart | Mine is now running 2.7ghz |
| 23:14.02 | spldart | started at 2.5 |
| 23:14.19 | JefferyM | so close to a 2.4 core |
| 23:14.21 | blast007 | mine is still at stock |
| 23:14.26 | spldart | This monster Coolermaster V8 cooller really does its jopb |
| 23:14.50 | JefferyM | that all you could get a black edition up to , 200mhz OC? |
| 23:14.57 | spldart | All I've tried |
| 23:15.04 | spldart | I'll work my way up slowly |
| 23:15.04 | Think_Differentl | spldart, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102820 |
| 23:15.10 | JefferyM | I've got my 2.4 gig quad up to 2.7 |
| 23:15.14 | spldart | I'm loking for instabliitty |
| 23:15.22 | spldart | s/looking |
| 23:15.26 | Think_Differentl | if you don't plan on doing lots of gaming, that should be more than adaquate. |
| 23:15.40 | Think_Differentl | and it even has an HDMI port ;) |
| 23:15.44 | JefferyM | yeah the 4600 series isn't bad at all |
| 23:15.56 | CBG` | Linux... Drivers...? |
| 23:16.01 | JefferyM | radeonHD |
| 23:16.20 | JefferyM | even open source |
| 23:16.29 | CBG` | I thought he wanted an nvidia specifically? |
| 23:16.30 | spldart | I had a full on wrecking of a new install of lenny trying to use the ati radeon hd drivers. |
| 23:16.48 | JefferyM | spldart, that's cus you don't have a real card |
| 23:16.51 | JefferyM | you have onboardchipsets |
| 23:16.54 | JefferyM | that's different |
| 23:17.12 | spldart | You think? |
| 23:17.16 | JefferyM | I know ;) |
| 23:17.23 | spldart | Hrm. |
| 23:17.29 | JefferyM | the chip is a combo with the mobo chipset |
| 23:17.40 | JefferyM | so you can't just drive the GPU, it gets munged up with mobo stuff |
| 23:17.42 | spldart | It would be hard to look past my ease of use of nvidia in linux for the last few years as compared to ati |
| 23:17.50 | Think_Differentl | the RV740 (which seems to be the 46xx) is basically a RV6xx |
| 23:17.58 | Think_Differentl | so you're really getting a 3850 |
| 23:18.12 | JefferyM | except now you need to worry about your ATI mobo chipset fighing with your nvidia video card ;) |
| 23:18.34 | spldart | meh... I disable onboard in bios... It should be fine. |
| 23:18.50 | blast007 | until Windows 7 melts your board! |
| 23:18.51 | JefferyM | you can disable the ATI northbridge in the bios? |
| 23:19.03 | JefferyM | that's an impressive system that can run sans chipset |
| 23:19.11 | spldart | Heck.. I'm goin gigabyte on the vid card to match the mobo.. tech support can sort it out if I run into problems.. |
| 23:19.14 | spldart | Did I just say that |
| 23:19.15 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 23:19.39 | CBG` | Oh dear... |
| 23:21.18 | spldart | if ati/amd is making chipsets that aren't goin to play nice with whateva pci-e vid card I want then they wont just have issues with peeps but the manufacturers who are selling both the vid cards and mobo's that are not working well together. I doubt that will be an issue. And if it is I will squeaky wheel gigabyte to death. |
| 23:21.29 | Think_Differentl | spldart, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sapphire_hd4670_gddr4&num=1 |
| 23:22.21 | JefferyM | spldart, there are always incompatabilities ;) |
| 23:23.02 | JefferyM | Nvidia probably is simpler to install in ubuntu tho |
| 23:23.08 | JefferyM | radeonHD is not easy to install |
| 23:23.15 | spldart | Well. crap. I may just put this off. |
| 23:23.31 | spldart | Till I hear more from other peeps |
| 23:23.45 | spldart | experiences with this mobo and everything |
| 23:24.21 | JefferyM | well you did choose a phenom |
| 23:25.51 | Think_Differentl | well, one benifit is that the radeonhd driver is open source. I had some trouble with the closed nvidia drivers when I had 8600s. |
| 23:26.10 | JefferyM | the 9800 is a faster card then the 4670 |
| 23:27.13 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: that's only a benefit if you can code graphics drivers ;) |
| 23:27.24 | JefferyM | but not the 4850 |
| 23:28.35 | Think_Differentl | true |
| 23:29.11 | JefferyM | would rather complain about driver bugs to a company where people are paid to develop said code, then a bunch of hippies ;) |
| 23:39.16 | spldart | Ok.. found someone stating they have a nVIDIA GTX 260 playing nice with the chipset :) |
| 23:40.09 | spldart | Hrm... 1tb samsung or 1tb western digital :-/ |
| 23:40.17 | spldart | I've had great luck with both |