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| 12:13.46 | Chris10184 | Any of you here? |
| 12:14.55 | Chris10184 | xpert.game-server.cc 5154 has cheaters on it |
| 12:15.22 | Chris10184 | If any of you are admins there. |
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| 12:27.25 | bz00 | you will have to ban me! |
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| 12:27.32 | blast007 | ok |
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| 12:29.56 | *** mode/#bzflag-chat [-b *!n=4478*@bz.bzflag.bz] by blast007 |
| 12:30.17 | blast007 | Chris10184: that server lacks active admins, so, good luck |
| 12:30.34 | blast007 | apparently it's been abused for a while, as it's configured in a way that is a perfect setup for a cheater |
| 12:31.02 | blast007 | (older version that is vulnerable to the /me exploit, has local authentication, and has /poll set) |
| 13:10.38 | Chris10184 | oh |
| 13:10.39 | Chris10184 | ok |
| 13:11.03 | Chris10184 | cheeers for the help :) |
| 13:11.09 | blast007 | sure :) |
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| 17:13.28 | buggalugs | hi any admins here? |
| 17:13.48 | JefferyM | admins for what? |
| 17:14.20 | buggalugs | fox burrow, there is a player with name F**** ... |
| 17:14.38 | spldart | meh... /me goes to look |
| 17:14.47 | buggalugs | okay |
| 17:14.53 | JefferyM | ahh, it helps if you say what server, not evry admin runs every server ;) |
| 17:20.24 | spldart | I should ban more often... I forgot the syntax ;-p |
| 17:21.41 | buggalugs | thx |
| 17:22.19 | spldart | I tried.. another admin got it before me. |
| 17:22.21 | spldart | ooops |
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| 19:06.27 | spldart | Holy crap.. I didn't know there were malicious sites that could take over your browser in linux AND are advertising officially with yahoo. |
| 19:07.47 | spldart | BEWARE just below your 'check mail' and 'compose' buttons and just above your folders box there can be these tiny little adds. Some are malicious websites 8-0 |
| 19:07.53 | spldart | Thanks alot yahoo |
| 19:09.20 | temp_work | the java updates want to install the yahoo toolbar into FF |
| 19:09.59 | blast007 | temp_work: yeah.. and flash wants to install something else, as does Adobe Reader |
| 19:32.17 | Winny | spldart: of course, they can take over your browser in any OS |
| 19:32.20 | Winny | it's just javascript |
| 19:32.41 | Winny | they can't do anything to you except be annoying unless you run windows, usually, though. |
| 19:33.01 | Winny | more importantly, though, is why are you using yahoo mail? |
| 19:33.19 | spldart | But really?!?! You can't access your own browser's toolbars or even close it? |
| 19:33.34 | Winny | welcome to javascript |
| 19:33.36 | spldart | I had to find the pid and 'kill' it |
| 19:33.39 | spldart | suxors |
| 19:33.54 | spldart | I use java... for work even.. I can't turn it off |
| 19:33.56 | Winny | that's why I use noscript, and really cut down what JS can do in firefox's settings |
| 19:34.03 | spldart | I guess I'll just have to no click anything yahoo ever again |
| 19:34.03 | Winny | javascript != java |
| 19:34.41 | spldart | I guess I could move my work over to gmail |
| 19:35.12 | spldart | yahoo is what I started with 12 years ago. I'm just stuck in my ways I guess |
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| 19:50.43 | JefferyM | ok, who wants to rip my website design a new one? |
| 20:10.55 | Winny | JefferyM: me |
| 20:11.32 | JefferyM | http://mhm.awesomelaser.com/ |
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| 20:12.24 | Winny | needs more padding between elements, feels really cramped... and not sure forcing the user's eye from left, to right, to left is a great idea |
| 20:14.20 | JefferyM | k |
| 20:14.24 | JefferyM | that's just a bool :) |
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| 22:29.03 | spldart | Possible silly question. Do cpu's in modern cpu's do math in base 10... even though they understand machine language programing that's hexadecimal. Because of binary word width. I was never good at math :( |
| 22:29.33 | spldart | cpu's in moder pc's |
| 22:29.37 | spldart | my bad |
| 22:29.41 | spldart | modern |
| 22:29.53 | spldart | can't type to save my life can I :( |
| 22:30.52 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 22:31.00 | JefferyM | what exactly are you asking? |
| 22:31.17 | spldart | Do computers do their math base 10 like we do... |
| 22:31.19 | JefferyM | no |
| 22:31.22 | JefferyM | base 2 |
| 22:31.31 | spldart | Ah |
| 22:31.41 | JefferyM | at it's core, that's all a computer can do, bas 2 |
| 22:32.26 | JefferyM | everthing is stored in binary |
| 22:32.38 | JefferyM | so I'm not sure what you mean by "binary word width" |
| 22:33.11 | spldart | is trying to think of wording to express his query beter |
| 22:34.26 | spldart | When I did Z80 programing in hex word width was, what, 4 or 8 bit? But if all math in a cpu is done base 2 even simple math is broken into numerous steps for completion. |
| 22:34.45 | JefferyM | if you add 3 + 1 in a compiler in C it'll get converted to 00000011 and 00000001 and be added, the result will be 00000100 and be converted to 4 on output |
| 22:34.47 | spldart | steps = clocks for the cpu |
| 22:35.06 | spldart | hrm |
| 22:35.16 | JefferyM | most CPUs can add 64bytes in one operation these days, if it's pipelined |
| 22:35.21 | JefferyM | but it's still done binary |
| 22:35.50 | JefferyM | get add store is a common op that it's been streamlined |
| 22:36.53 | JefferyM | and CPUs are not limited to a single word per op these days |
| 22:37.11 | JefferyM | making the bus wider has been the big speedup these days |
| 22:37.20 | JefferyM | you were limtied before becaus the bus to ram was only 8 bytes |
| 22:39.34 | spldart | That being said. All math, whatever the base, can represent any problem that needs to be solved? Computers can do it base 2. We do it base 10. Martians of old could do it base 16. (yes. just being silly) And we could all solve Newtonian physics to quantum mechanics? |
| 22:40.03 | JefferyM | there are practical limits |
| 22:40.23 | JefferyM | floating point values do not store well in fixed bit systems |
| 22:40.33 | JefferyM | how do you represent 1/3 in binary? ;) |
| 22:40.59 | spldart | Heh... I guess the bigger the binary word the closer... Like Pi |
| 22:41.03 | spldart | But ne3ver exact |
| 22:41.32 | JefferyM | not really |
| 22:41.37 | JefferyM | floating points use a floating point |
| 22:41.45 | JefferyM | so they have issues storing lots of values |
| 22:41.54 | JefferyM | .1 can't actualy be stored in a float |
| 22:42.03 | JefferyM | it ends up being 0.09999999999999999999999999999343 something |
| 22:42.11 | JefferyM | and everyone just rounds on output |
| 22:44.04 | spldart | Ok. I C I need to do some more googling. But you have pointed me in a direction on that front. Thanks :) |
| 22:47.10 | JefferyM | you plan on writing in assembly? |
| 22:50.24 | spldart | No. Been to long to even consider it. hehe But I'm trying to figure something out in general. Math related. Hope bzchat isn't to inappropriate. |
| 22:50.42 | JefferyM | it's fine |
| 22:51.21 | JefferyM | what are you trying to figure out? |
| 22:51.32 | spldart | is wikipedia.org brusing up |
| 22:53.11 | spldart | I guess at the core I'm trying to figure out if there are limits to what various 'base' math can accomplish. |
| 22:54.26 | spldart | Would we be where we are if we were base 8, 12 or 16. What if our computers could operate outside their limits. |
| 22:54.32 | spldart | rather OT |
| 22:55.31 | spldart | Heh.. it would be fun to tinker with assembly again :-p |
| 22:59.49 | spldart | Woah... now I remember. it was 2 digits of hex at a time iirc... The moldy oldy processors |
| 23:00.04 | spldart | goes back to google.. sry again ;) |
| 23:14.51 | JefferyM | when you talk about base anything, generaly you are talking about integer systems |
| 23:14.55 | JefferyM | not everything in math is counting |
| 23:15.12 | JefferyM | at some point you have to be able to work with fractionals, since the match best with real world units |
| 23:16.14 | JefferyM | no integer system can fully express real numbers |
| 23:16.25 | JefferyM | the universe is base N :) |
| 23:24.52 | spldart | Very true. |