| 01:06.43 | *** join/#bzflag-chat alpha1-3 (~nb_j@host231.190-137-0.telecom.net.ar) |
| 01:37.25 | alpha1-3 | Well, I see that no much opinions/responses finally... I would have prefered any other BZFlag admin's opinion too. But I don't want to generate any kind of problem, but a little debate that could help to improve a bit the community... |
| 01:37.34 | alpha1-3 | Then I want to add my last lines, with all respect and in constructive spirit (and also I finished answering to allejo too): |
| 01:37.43 | alpha1-3 | I don't agree with BZExcess server rules kind (http://bzexcess.com/bzflag-servers/server-rules/) when it says: "Your ability to play here is a *privilege, not a right*. We are by no means required to warn about a kick or ban, though we do try to do so." (Asterisks added by me.) (I agree with the other points, though.) |
| 01:37.54 | alpha1-3 | I really like the BZTank kind, instead (http://www.bztank.net/rules.php): "1.4 Respect others. |
| 01:37.56 | alpha1-3 | Respect the *rights* of others to play and enjoy the game. Do not harass, threaten, name call, insult or in any way cause distress to others." (Asterisks added by me.) |
| 01:38.04 | alpha1-3 | I think that when you put a server online is something like to say: "Hey! Here is a new world to play! You are welcome to join to it!". It is like an "invitation" (of the real life); you are the host and the players are the guests. Then, of course, you *have* to treat them kindly (making respect rules, though), and the players have to behave properly too. All world happy and enjoying. |
| 01:41.00 | allejo | is as lost as he can be |
| 01:41.28 | allejo | i really don't see how a lag complaint can escalate to a conversation spanning multiple days |
| 01:43.07 | blast007 | alpha1-3: if you don't like it, don't play there |
| 01:43.22 | blast007 | you can't expect automatic rights on private property |
| 01:45.47 | alpha1-3 | I mean no more rights than you can have in real life, though. I don't talk about "private property" but about opening a server to the *public*. It isn't the same as "public property", as allejo and you are meaning about. |
| 01:46.03 | blast007 | no |
| 01:46.32 | allejo | private property means it is owned by an individual. just because it's public does not mean it's owned by the public |
| 01:46.46 | blast007 | alpha1-3: is a walmart public property? |
| 01:49.03 | alpha1-3 | allejo and blast007: that is just what I mean, we are talking of the same. But I repeat, *it isn't the same that *openn to public*, And no, Walmart isn't public property. |
| 01:51.14 | alpha1-3 | Have you both noticed of the 2 asterisk remarked phrashes *difference* of the 2 rules above? |
| 01:51.23 | alpha1-3 | phrases* |
| 01:52.12 | blast007 | not really, I'm trying to watch a movie |
| 01:53.13 | alpha1-3 | well, then, previously to answer, take the time to read my sentences :) |
| 01:53.34 | allejo | lmao |
| 01:53.39 | allejo | what movie blast007? |
| 01:53.45 | blast007 | Fire with fire |
| 01:54.10 | allejo | ohh how is it? |
| 01:54.14 | blast007 | pretty good |
| 01:54.20 | blast007 | alpha1-3: so anyways, what is the actual problem you have? |
| 01:54.41 | allejo | shall add that movie to his to watch list |
| 01:55.44 | alpha1-3 | what do you mean? if you didn't read my sentences , how can I continue chatting with you? |
| 01:56.06 | blast007 | alpha1-3: well, I see that you take issue with my server rules. So my suggest was to not play there. |
| 01:56.34 | blast007 | perhaps you can find a server closer to you where you would have less lag. I have this nifty tool for that: http://bzexcess.com/geolist/ |
| 01:58.25 | allejo | that's actually a pretty cool tool |
| 01:58.28 | allejo | kinda creepy |
| 01:58.30 | allejo | but cool |
| 01:59.18 | blast007 | just uses the maxmind geoip database and the IPs |
| 01:59.37 | alpha1-3 | Nice tool. But I just wanted to give a opinion about server rules in general. As I said, not for problems, maybe for debate, or at least for meditation. |
| 01:59.44 | alpha1-3 | an* |
| 02:00.54 | alpha1-3 | I see that you increase the lag limit to 250 it seems. I don't have really problems in general (or at all) for playing in any server. Then I was wondered abbout that problem that I had in yours. |
| 02:01.00 | alpha1-3 | increased* |
| 02:02.05 | alpha1-3 | but at start caused by an annoying player, not by you |
| 02:02.34 | alpha1-3 | because your start limit was 300 as I saw in majority of servers |
| 02:12.21 | blast007 | the limit is different now |
| 02:13.00 | alpha1-3 | yes, 250 it seems |
| 02:14.11 | blast007 | yes |