| 00:10.51 | *** join/#bzflag-chat spldart (~user@bzflag/contributor/spldart) |
| 00:17.46 | blast007 | alpha1-2: because nick changes for going away and global away notices are annoying |
| 00:20.29 | allejo | that ^ |
| 00:20.47 | allejo | and it's just irc etiquette... people are always away |
| 00:21.16 | blast007 | some IRC clients have colors... doesn't mean we should use rainbow colored text all day long |
| 00:21.41 | blast007 | some IRC clients have support for DCC... doesn't mean you should do DCC chat and file transfer requests to everyone... |
| 00:21.43 | allejo | some clients show people marked as "away" others don't |
| 00:22.35 | blast007 | and why do you care if someone is away? just send them the message and wait |
| 00:23.04 | allejo | blast007, are you away? |
| 00:23.13 | blast007 | wanna know one pet peeve of mine? people who ping people and then wait to ask the actual question until you 'pong' back at them |
| 00:23.33 | blast007 | if they had simply asked the real question from the start, I could have answered right then instead of sending 'pong' |
| 00:23.43 | allejo | blast007, ping |
| 00:24.08 | blast007 | now that person is probably gone and I have to wait for them to return, and in the mean time, I'll probably go off somewhere else |
| 00:26.03 | blast007 | ~bzfrag allejo |
| 00:26.03 | infobot | ACTION makes allejo feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 00:27.58 | allejo | :P |
| 01:12.15 | alpha1-2 | for example, can you see this message? |
| 01:12.34 | alpha1-2 | done |
| 01:14.21 | alpha1-2 | I think no |
| 01:16.33 | alpha1-2 | "and why do you care if someone is away? just send them the message and wait" <-- because some peole like me are not 24 hs connected and they want a reasonable quick response, if yuo don't see nobody "on", then you should not ask |
| 01:18.25 | alpha1-2 | "and it's just irc etiquette" <-- that is what I am against, if you have IRC etiquette, use it. "some clients show people marked as "away" others don't", I know, fo example web one, but then use a better client |
| 01:25.25 | alpha1-2 | "wanna know one pet peeve of mine? people who ping people and then wait to ask the actual question until you 'pong' back at them. if they had simply asked the real question from the start, I could have answered right then instead of sending 'pong'. now that person is probably gone and I have to wait for them to return, and in the mean time, I'll probably go off somewhere else" <-- I agree with reasonable quick response, then, if you |
| 01:25.26 | alpha1-2 | could see any person "absent", then put the question and wait |
| 01:25.45 | alpha1-2 | but the chat is for quick responses, if not, use the Forum. Then, if you could see "absent" and not "absent" persons, you could have a good idea of the time of your potential answer. But if you see 90% of persons being "?" (undefined), then you need to know their schedule for knowing the response time. I just purpose an improvement of the IRC use. |
| 01:27.30 | allejo | alpha1-2, just because a client doesn't support "away" status it doesn't mean you need a better one |
| 01:28.16 | allejo | and if you have a question, you just ask it. if you're not connected all the time then like you were saying that IRC has cool features. there's memoserv ;) |
| 01:29.24 | alpha1-2 | please, before this, could you see the previous message when I went from absent to not abs.? |
| 01:29.53 | allejo | nope |
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| 01:29.58 | alpha1-2 | ok, :) |
| 01:30.59 | alpha1-2 | can you explain it shortly? |
| 01:31.21 | allejo | explain what? |
| 01:31.26 | alpha1-2 | memoserv |
| 01:31.39 | allejo | /msg memoserv help |
| 01:32.14 | alpha1-2 | ok, registered only |
| 01:32.41 | allejo | if you use IRC on a regular basis you're probably registered unless you're snake |
| 01:32.52 | alpha1-2 | I am not |
| 01:33.15 | allejo | then why not register? |
| 01:33.20 | alpha1-2 | yuo can't say that... for BZ, yu don't need too |
| 01:33.41 | allejo | it's the same logic though. if you're not registered you can send PMs on the forums |
| 01:34.03 | alpha1-2 | ok, I am not against that |
| 01:34.14 | alpha1-2 | Forum are very useful |
| 01:34.21 | alpha1-2 | Forums* |
| 01:34.30 | alpha1-2 | but the chat too |
| 01:36.02 | alpha1-2 | "alpha1-2, just because a client doesn't support "away" status it doesn't mean you need a better one" <-- what (popular) clients are you talking about, apart of the web one? |
| 01:37.04 | allejo | what real clients* :P |
| 01:37.10 | allejo | and there are multiple |
| 01:37.23 | alpha1-2 | "absent" feature is something *necesary* or basic for all clients in general from the start of IRC I think |
| 01:37.29 | allejo | i personally use quassel though i've used xchat aqua and textual before |
| 01:37.47 | allejo | you don't make anything necssary |
| 01:37.58 | alpha1-2 | and web implementation is just a (new) easy way for non very experienced users |
| 01:38.14 | allejo | I can make my own IRC client and not include the away feature but it'll still be an irc client |
| 01:38.40 | alpha1-2 | let me check those... |
| 01:38.52 | allejo | except for quassel, those were for mac |
| 01:39.14 | allejo | idk what people use for irc on windows. i know blast uses irssi on his box |
| 01:45.57 | alpha1-2 | oh, help me, search too if you want what is the feature of showing live status (abstent) |
| 01:46.21 | alpha1-2 | I am here right now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients |
| 01:46.29 | alpha1-2 | bu many features |
| 01:46.31 | alpha1-2 | but |
| 01:46.52 | alpha1-2 | (absent) |
| 01:48.12 | blast007 | I run irssi on Windows too |
| 01:48.43 | blast007 | so glad they have a build for Windows now... was able to get rid of XChat |
| 01:53.44 | alpha1-2 | ah, it is hard to find the right name of "absent" feature, but I think that it is an old, if not "from start", one |
| 01:56.18 | alpha1-2 | but tell me if all those clients were capable of using it, you that know them? |
| 01:56.38 | blast007 | yes |
| 01:57.48 | alpha1-2 | ok, irssi, XChat, yes. And quassel, aqua and textual? |
| 01:58.21 | blast007 | three |
| 01:58.44 | alpha1-2 | ok, and what is the right name for that feature if you know? |
| 01:58.57 | blast007 | saturday |
| 01:59.02 | allejo | that ^ |
| 01:59.31 | alpha1-2 | oh I thought monday |
| 01:59.58 | alpha1-2 | well, just 2 days of difference... |
| 02:01.04 | alpha1-2 | and I was asking to allejo, not yu, but you wanted to answer, blast |
| 02:01.15 | blast007 | superfluously |
| 02:03.08 | alpha1-2 | see, allejo, all those clients seem to have the feature, what do you think now? |
| 02:03.30 | blast007 | riboflavin |
| 02:04.04 | alpha1-2 | blast has some cups more tonight |
| 02:04.11 | allejo | what blast007 said |
| 02:04.16 | blast007 | laserjet 4P |
| 02:04.31 | alpha1-2 | ah ok you are serious tonight :) |
| 02:06.58 | alpha1-2 | I think that you guys are bad losers ;) |
| 02:07.00 | alpha1-2 | ha! |
| 02:07.30 | allejo | I know for a fact textual didn't have "away" status when I used it |
| 02:07.39 | allejo | neither did xChat aqua |
| 02:07.47 | blast007 | it's mostly a worthless feature |
| 02:07.56 | allejo | LimeChat didn't either iirc |
| 02:08.06 | blast007 | the sooner that people realize that, the sooner they can properly use IRC |
| 02:08.17 | alpha1-2 | what years are we talking about allejo? |
| 02:08.24 | blast007 | 2073 |
| 02:08.40 | allejo | just last year :P |
| 02:08.42 | alpha1-2 | I like how blast is "always present" he he he |
| 02:08.55 | allejo | omnipresent* |
| 02:09.02 | allejo | blast007, ping |
| 02:09.05 | alpha1-2 | you are no God, blast, did you know it? :) |
| 02:09.06 | blast007 | allejo: gr |
| 02:09.25 | blast007 | alpha1-2: I'd hope not |
| 02:09.25 | allejo | hehe |
| 02:09.50 | allejo | i don't think anyone would trust blast as a deity |
| 02:09.56 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 02:10.20 | blast007 | if I was immortal, I'd probably kill myself |
| 02:10.27 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 02:10.54 | alpha1-2 | you know what you need? |
| 02:11.01 | allejo | blast007, if you were immortal, killing yourself would be a hobby |
| 02:11.25 | alpha1-2 | you need some female love, I think ;) |
| 02:11.38 | alpha1-2 | you are too hard, dude! |
| 02:11.44 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 02:12.08 | blast007 | not sure if I should /kick you for that comment or if that was just a poor translation |
| 02:12.20 | alpha1-2 | or some rest I don't know, relax a little :) |
| 02:12.22 | allejo | blast007, what he really meant was "motherly love" |
| 02:12.31 | blast007 | no, the line after that |
| 02:12.39 | allejo | oh |
| 02:12.42 | allejo | yea i was thinking that too |
| 02:13.01 | alpha1-2 | what? dude word is bad? :O |
| 02:14.38 | alpha1-2 | I am trying to use right my manual dict now, and I don't find it there, so... maybe it is not a niec word |
| 02:14.54 | alpha1-2 | s/right/just/ |
| 02:15.02 | allejo | dude is slang it won't be in the dictionary |
| 02:15.29 | blast007 | nor was that the issue |
| 02:15.29 | blast007 | but I'll assume just poor choice of words |
| 02:15.42 | alpha1-2 | ah hard then... |
| 02:15.49 | alpha1-2 | let me see... |
| 02:16.36 | alpha1-2 | ok, harsh better? |
| 02:16.57 | blast007 | better |
| 02:16.58 | allejo | that works |
| 02:17.19 | alpha1-2 | ok :) thanks I want to improve my english |
| 02:18.18 | blast007 | I'm just very sarcastic |
| 02:19.03 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 02:19.24 | allejo | blast007, I'd say facetious is the better word :P |
| 02:19.48 | alpha1-2 | well, but I think that you don't have *always* the resposability of answering *all*, true? |
| 02:21.40 | alpha1-2 | I don't understand/know all of this community neither still, but just commenting what I see, and I have already some time in... |
| 02:22.45 | alpha1-2 | just commenting, not spirit of offense anybody, I have said thanks to you too for all your work online |
| 02:23.25 | alpha1-2 | and I don't say anymore now :X |
| 02:34.04 | alpha1-2 | I found /AWAY command, allejo, could you try it in any of those clients please? |
| 02:42.12 | alpha1-2 | for example, http://imgur.com/75578f1 |
| 02:42.23 | alpha1-2 | (textual) |
| 02:43.46 | allejo | ohhh textual looks so much cleaner now. it only it could connect to a quassel core |
| 02:43.59 | allejo | and i don't have any other clients anymore |
| 02:44.40 | alpha1-2 | the twitter message says "3.1.1 news: Away status added to user info popover. It also appears instantly on hover:" 2013-07-21 |
| 02:44.47 | alpha1-2 | https://twitter.com/textual/status/359079258041225218 |
| 02:46.34 | alpha1-2 | then they are relating IRC with instant messaging or I am missing it? |
| 02:46.54 | alpha1-2 | (hover, etc) |
| 02:47.04 | allejo | well IRC is instant |
| 02:47.10 | allejo | and it does consist of messaging |
| 02:47.25 | alpha1-2 | you know what I mean |
| 02:48.08 | allejo | ? |
| 02:48.25 | allejo | flatulence |
| 02:48.35 | alpha1-2 | I mean like MS Messenger, or ... |
| 02:48.40 | alpha1-2 | Live |
| 02:48.42 | alpha1-2 | or |
| 02:49.02 | alpha1-2 | some VoIP services , with presence features, etc.... |
| 02:49.10 | allejo | http://bash.org/?85514 |
| 02:49.32 | alpha1-2 | ha ha |
| 02:50.17 | alpha1-2 | yeah, the first peer to peer service was IRC! |
| 02:50.44 | alpha1-2 | (in comunication) |
| 02:50.51 | alpha1-2 | (of persons) |
| 02:51.23 | allejo | torrents a new hard drive |
| 02:52.06 | alpha1-2 | then you don't have textual now? |
| 02:55.33 | allejo | uses quassel |
| 02:56.27 | alpha1-2 | yes, I read it, but textual not more now? |
| 02:57.23 | alpha1-2 | the last asking, this s long already :) |
| 02:58.32 | allejo | i don't use it anymore since it can't connect to a quassel core |
| 02:59.46 | alpha1-2 | ah ok, I have xchat here, maybe I can install it, thanks, and continue if I was being annoying :P |
| 03:00.16 | alpha1-2 | uses Konversation on KDE |