| 01:02.07 | Flak18 | here's a little concept for a flag |
| 01:02.32 | Flak18 | shock blocker |
| 01:03.11 | Flak18 | prevents tank from being affected by shockwaves |
| 01:05.15 | blast007 | it's called shield |
| 01:07.57 | Flak18 | only blocks shockwaves |
| 01:08.11 | Flak18 | like clear does to lasers |
| 01:08.19 | Flak18 | same thing |
| 01:09.37 | Flak18 | may not work |
| 01:09.42 | Flak18 | but an idea |
| 01:10.36 | blast007 | but cloak does something besides that too |
| 01:11.06 | blast007 | I'm trying to think if there's a flag we have that's only there to counteract another flag |
| 01:11.50 | Flak18 | shockwaves has no flag to counteract it |
| 01:13.36 | Flak18 | on second thought i think it would sound better to name the flag shock shield |
| 01:13.58 | allejo | blast007, Seer |
| 01:14.04 | Flak18 | blocks SW's and SB's |
| 01:14.49 | blast007 | allejo: that counteracts multiple flags though, right? |
| 01:15.08 | allejo | cloaking and stealth |
| 01:15.14 | allejo | oh and IB |
| 01:15.15 | blast007 | not MQ and IB? |
| 01:15.22 | allejo | oh yah MQ |
| 01:15.33 | allejo | but it's only there to "counteract another flag" |
| 01:15.35 | blast007 | yeah, so that one covers a lot of uses |
| 01:16.23 | blast007 | one that is only a super powered version of shield that only stops the effect of a single flag... not so much |
| 01:16.27 | kaadmy | SH counteracts all shots ;)p |
| 01:16.47 | blast007 | kaadmy: except thief ;) |
| 01:16.54 | kaadmy | ah |
| 01:16.58 | Flak18 | to me it seems like their is no flag to counter SW and SB |
| 01:17.28 | blast007 | the skill flag? the run away and/or dodge flag? |
| 01:17.49 | kaadmy | my bzflag rewrite will shield not block shockwave, but instead the obese flag block SW |
| 01:18.04 | Flak18 | could work |
| 01:18.08 | kaadmy | makes more sense and SW is protectable |
| 01:18.20 | Flak18 | but make it block SB to |
| 01:18.27 | Flak18 | too* |
| 01:18.31 | allejo | blast007, technically QT could be a dodge flag :p |
| 01:18.51 | blast007 | agility |
| 01:18.59 | blast007 | I do hate the agility flag.. |
| 01:19.14 | Flak18 | same here |
| 01:19.19 | blast007 | so unpredictable and crazy excessive |
| 01:19.25 | Flak18 | agreed |
| 01:19.25 | alezakos | SW can be a great flag against SW |
| 01:19.51 | blast007 | 2.6.0 could remove both genocide and agility, and I think the world would be a better place |
| 01:20.03 | BulletCatcher | "You have just brought SR to a SW fight." |
| 01:20.15 | Flak18 | really alezakos: SW can be a great flag against SW? |
| 01:20.30 | alezakos | ...until mofo implement another geno plugin |
| 01:20.34 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: I do that by accident sometimes because I get all excited about having my favorite flag, only to realize the person I'm lunging at has SW |
| 01:20.46 | BulletCatcher | Yup. |
| 01:20.59 | blast007 | I like SR so much I once had a SR only server, no shooting, |
| 01:21.08 | BulletCatcher | And there is nothing more satisfying in BZFlag than squishing an opponent with SR. |
| 01:21.18 | blast007 | people learned about latency and client-side hit detection |
| 01:21.44 | Flak18 | on quickshots SR is powerful |
| 01:22.08 | blast007 | so it quickly turned into people staring at each other making quick forward movings trying to get the other tank's client to see it close to them |
| 01:22.58 | BulletCatcher | A deadly dance. |
| 01:23.11 | Flak18 | Yup |
| 01:25.36 | Flak18 | [20:19] <blast007> 2.6.0 could remove both genocide and agility, and I think the world would be a better place |
| 01:25.39 | blast007 | also a deadly dance: https://youtu.be/1_E6oRwfUKA |
| 01:26.29 | Flak18 | geno and agility needs to go |
| 01:27.38 | Flak18 | with agility one can speed up but slows down quickly and controls lock |
| 01:37.24 | blast007 | the big problem with agility is it will make it very difficult to do proper anti-cheat handling since it's so unpredictable and sudden |
| 01:38.30 | Flak18 | thats an issue |
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| 21:48.29 | Flak18 | any new concepts for bzflag? |
| 23:04.55 | Flak18 | when would version 2.6.0. of bzflag come out? |
| 23:10.46 | kaadmy | yay, my map's mostly done |
| 23:13.33 | kaadmy | screenshots of my Armory map https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hrwEbH57/bzfi0001.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uvvpbPdB/bzfi0002.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3HTmGQbL/bzfi0003.png |
| 23:15.31 | Flak18 | what's it called? |
| 23:20.45 | kaadmy | no name yet |
| 23:20.55 | kaadmy | i'm just calling it Armory |
| 23:21.05 | kaadmy | same name as the plugin for it |
| 23:28.39 | Flak18 | makes sense |
| 23:31.58 | kaadmy | like the style? |
| 23:32.07 | kaadmy | old/vines |
| 23:33.33 | Flak18 | good design |
| 23:33.55 | Flak18 | i think it will be a good map |
| 23:33.59 | kaadmy | thanks ;) |
| 23:34.46 | Flak18 | i'm not sure if i should start to make maps? |
| 23:34.48 | kaadmy | i'll release it in a couple days if i can finish it |
| 23:35.08 | Flak18 | great can't wait to see it |
| 23:35.44 | Flak18 | online |
| 23:35.56 | kaadmy | also, is there anybody that can afford to run a custom plugin with this map online? |
| 23:36.14 | kaadmy | this map took about 4 days to make :) |
| 23:36.27 | Flak18 | i don't have a server :( |
| 23:36.29 | kaadmy | i wrote a python script to batch generate the .bzs |
| 23:36.32 | kaadmy | bzw* |
| 23:37.28 | Flak18 | wow it would be nice to see it online |
| 23:37.39 | Flak18 | make a post about the new map |
| 23:37.49 | kaadmy | i will |
| 23:38.03 | kaadmy | after i polish up the plugin and fix the bugs |
| 23:38.14 | Flak18 | and see if someone is willing to host it |
| 23:38.17 | kaadmy | and finish the map's foliage decorations |
| 23:38.30 | kaadmy | hosting shouldn't be too much of a problem |
| 23:38.44 | kaadmy | most servers are probably empty anyway these days |
| 23:38.56 | Flak18 | so true |
| 23:39.17 | Flak18 | only apoc with all those obs |
| 23:39.21 | kaadmy | yap |
| 23:39.46 | Flak18 | staying for several days online |
| 23:40.00 | Flak18 | just to boost the servers rank |
| 23:40.06 | kaadmy | yeah :( |
| 23:40.35 | kaadmy | sometimes some servers keep apoc down for a couple days |
| 23:40.39 | kaadmy | like rubato ffa |
| 23:42.02 | Flak18 | i think that apoc is the reason we don't get new players |
| 23:42.11 | kaadmy | yeah |
| 23:42.28 | kaadmy | first time i played i kept getting kicked for being genoed |
| 23:42.42 | Flak18 | they look and say "is this bzflag?" |
| 23:42.45 | kaadmy | i didn't know why my team kept blowing up :( |
| 23:42.56 | Flak18 | and they don't want part of it |
| 23:43.05 | kaadmy | yeah |
| 23:43.33 | Flak18 | the other thing is the foul language |
| 23:43.35 | kaadmy | i kinda hope apoc eventually gets pushed down the server list |
| 23:43.42 | Flak18 | same here |
| 23:43.58 | Flak18 | i'll try my PR skills |
| 23:44.05 | kaadmy | i know some players are already boycotting it |
| 23:44.28 | kaadmy | i might too |
| 23:44.45 | Flak18 | i stopped going on there to play about two months ago |
| 23:44.47 | kaadmy | glitchy map, foul language, geno... |
| 23:44.55 | Flak18 | agreed |
| 23:45.05 | kaadmy | the original apoc map was fun |
| 23:45.17 | Flak18 | i think that the obs are paid to do so |
| 23:45.23 | kaadmy | but it started getting annoying with the custom flags |
| 23:45.29 | Flak18 | yes |
| 23:47.10 | Flak18 | that was one of the issues |
| 23:47.33 | Flak18 | looks like bzflag started to lose players after apoc |
| 23:47.53 | allejo | Post your map/plugin/request on the forums. If someone's interested in it, they'll host it |
| 23:48.20 | kaadmy | ok, will do |
| 23:48.31 | allejo | And if you don't like Apoc, there 100+ other servers out there. Get players to play there instead |
| 23:49.19 | allejo | Apoc is clearly doing something that players enjoy that they dominate the server list |
| 23:49.44 | kaadmy | it's almost always got 1+ players |
| 23:50.39 | allejo | Then they've done something that people like :p |
| 23:51.07 | kaadmy | stomping n00bs? |
| 23:51.39 | kaadmy | and the persistent score just makes people stay joined as obs |
| 23:52.01 | allejo | So in other words, they have a server that people don't want to leave :) |
| 23:53.25 | Flak18 | i guess that there is more then what meets the eye |
| 23:54.04 | kaadmy | yea :( |
| 23:54.58 | kaadmy | i could put a poll on the forums on why players think it's fun |
| 23:55.55 | Flak18 | rule number one of mass media: give the people what they want. |
| 23:57.29 | Flak18 | if there is a poll it should be titled"what do you think about apoc?" |
| 23:58.11 | Flak18 | in order for it to be non-biased |
| 23:58.27 | kaadmy | or just mention that i'm very biased |
| 23:58.53 | Flak18 | rather then "why do you think apoc is fun?" |
| 23:59.24 | Flak18 | i almost quit because of apoc |
