| 00:57:10 | vogon_jeltz | hey, proton |
| 00:57:24 | vogon_jeltz | Tim, you here? |
| 00:57:45 | vogon_jeltz | slaps captain_proton and BZFlag |
| 00:59:06 | captain_proton | throws vogon_jeltz across the room |
| 00:59:17 | vogon_jeltz | hi, proton |
| 00:59:45 | vogon_jeltz | inspiration just struck as I was reading my newly-acquired "Programming Linux Games" |
| 01:00:10 | captain_proton | whats that? |
| 01:00:11 | vogon_jeltz | I was thinking that maybe we could port all of BZ's sound code to Ogg Vorbis and OpenAL |
| 01:00:18 | captain_proton | heh... |
| 01:00:32 | captain_proton | we could also redo the gfx engine and add culling while we're at it |
| 01:00:36 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 01:00:53 | vogon_jeltz | <cough>and maybe use SDL</cough> |
| 01:01:30 | captain_proton | wait - that sounds like proj 2501 |
| 01:05:17 | vogon_jeltz | not really; we still have to add all the slanted crap |
| 01:05:23 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:06:37 | vogon_jeltz | had his wisdom teeth removed 7 hours ago... bleh |
| 01:06:44 | captain_proton | fun |
| 01:07:01 | vogon_jeltz | I'm currently medicated with Oxycontin-laced Tylenol... :P |
| 01:07:12 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:08:08 | captain_proton | i'm currently downloading 2 lexx's and one efc |
| 01:08:28 | vogon_jeltz | so do you think my OpenAL idea's worth pursuing? |
| 01:09:04 | captain_proton | i don't know - bzflag audio is already 3d |
| 01:09:31 | vogon_jeltz | but OpenAL would make it a hell of a lot easier to add sound effects and environmental audio effects |
| 01:09:50 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 01:09:53 | captain_proton | if you want, do it |
| 01:10:02 | vogon_jeltz | OK :) |
| 01:10:45 | vogon_jeltz | I think I can make the crossover in maybe 100 lines |
| 01:10:45 | captain_proton | wow |
| 01:11:48 | vogon_jeltz | and all of the PCMs can be buffered, too |
| 01:13:11 | captain_proton | damn, someone is masquerading as me on bzflag |
| 01:13:17 | captain_proton | time for some ass-whooping |
| 01:13:18 | vogon_jeltz | hmm |
| 01:13:29 | vogon_jeltz | time for callsign authentication |
| 01:19:27 | captain_proton | they left right as I arrived |
| 01:19:44 | vogon_jeltz | rofl |
| 01:23:08 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: of course, I'll leave the old audio option in the game, and statically link in OpenAL |
| 01:23:13 | vogon_jeltz | for the binaries |
| 01:23:43 | captain_proton | good |
| 01:24:14 | vogon_jeltz | 'course, I'll have to get the lib first :P |
| 01:25:25 | vogon_jeltz | want the diffs and a binary once I've finished? |
| 01:25:35 | captain_proton | sure |
| 01:25:48 | captain_proton | mmmm...muffins |
| 01:26:30 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you should really consider getting overcode's book |
| 01:26:45 | captain_proton | how much $? |
| 01:26:50 | vogon_jeltz | $40 |
| 01:27:01 | vogon_jeltz | it introduces you to all the major gaming APIs |
| 01:27:16 | vogon_jeltz | GTK+, Qt, OpenAL, OSS, ALSA, SDL... |
| 01:27:21 | vogon_jeltz | SVGAlib |
| 01:27:43 | captain_proton | heh...the only gaming API's in there are OAL and SDL |
| 01:28:06 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: but the other ones can be used to create better UIs |
| 01:28:30 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: perhaps I should say "APIs frequently used in game development" |
| 01:29:17 | vogon_jeltz | it also covers the all-important creation of OpenGL contexts with SDL |
| 01:31:22 | vogon_jeltz | and also the creation of AIs with Tcl |
| 01:44:52 | vogon_jeltz | hey, proton |
| 01:45:02 | vogon_jeltz | I just finished batch-encoding all the sounds to Vorbis |
| 01:45:13 | vogon_jeltz | wanna hear 'em? |
| 01:45:26 | captain_proton | ummm no not really |
| 01:46:03 | vogon_jeltz | you know the flag-capture cheer noise? |
| 01:46:16 | captain_proton | yah |
| 01:46:16 | vogon_jeltz | it went from 420K to 50 :) |
| 01:46:19 | captain_proton | wow |
| 01:46:47 | vogon_jeltz | and I'll buffer-on-demand stuff |
| 01:47:04 | vogon_jeltz | so, say, if it's not a CTF game, all the win-loss flag stuff won't be buffered |
| 01:47:49 | vogon_jeltz | heh... the teleport sound went from 99K to 17 |
| 01:57:01 | BZFlag | the issue is the cross platform one. |
| 01:57:21 | BZFlag | does openal exist for win32 and mac? and all the other unix platforms? |
| 01:57:22 | vogon_jeltz | OpenAL compiles across platforms |
| 01:57:32 | vogon_jeltz | beos, win32, linux, IIRC |
| 01:57:38 | BZFlag | mac? |
| 01:57:49 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 01:57:53 | BZFlag | it's LGPLed? |
| 01:57:57 | vogon_jeltz | mm-hmm |
| 01:57:58 | captain_proton | even bzflag doesn't do mac :) |
| 01:58:03 | vogon_jeltz | yes, it does |
| 01:58:14 | BZFlag | heh, yes it does. I've run it on mac before. |
| 01:58:24 | captain_proton | PPC linux or macOS? |
| 01:58:31 | BZFlag | macos |
| 01:58:34 | vogon_jeltz | plus, OAL handles Doppler and sound-travel latency |
| 01:58:35 | BZFlag | and ppc linux |
| 01:58:38 | captain_proton | really?!? |
| 01:58:41 | BZFlag | yes |
| 01:58:54 | BZFlag | bzflag handles Doppler and sound-travel latency |
| 01:59:04 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: OAL handles it without any coding |
| 01:59:19 | BZFlag | bzflag already handles it, so also no coding. |
| 01:59:37 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but OAL handles it in hardware on some cards |
| 01:59:45 | captain_proton | like mine |
| 01:59:47 | BZFlag | ah. that would be nice. |
| 01:59:48 | vogon_jeltz | along with accelerated 3D |
| 01:59:50 | vogon_jeltz | sound |
| 01:59:57 | BZFlag | also would be nice. |
| 02:02:12 | vogon_jeltz | heh, and I'm working on storing the sound in Vorbis |
| 02:02:13 | vogon_jeltz | which means we can also add game music |
| 02:02:13 | captain_proton | sound should be vorbis, gfx should be png |
| 02:02:13 | vogon_jeltz | woo! OS all the way |
| 02:10:38 | BZFlag | sounds good (pun intended) |
| 02:11:19 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 02:32:10 | vogon_jeltz | oh, man... BZ doesn't look like it was intended to use a cross-platform audio API :P |
| 02:32:58 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:33:18 | vogon_jeltz | it's got all this sound calculation crap that OpenAL does itself |
| 02:33:25 | vogon_jeltz | and I've gotta figure out how to port it |
| 02:33:34 | vogon_jeltz | while still keeping the old sound system |
| 02:34:09 | vogon_jeltz | and translating IRC messages for a friend who's sick and heavily medicated with antihistamines |
| 02:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | oh, man... |
| 02:35:26 | vogon_jeltz | this'd be a hell of a lot easier if I was porting to SDL first |
| 02:35:51 | vogon_jeltz | because SDL has a lot of cool threads-for-dummies stuff |
| 02:36:22 | captain_proton | yep |
| 02:37:43 | vogon_jeltz | there are only 3 functions: SDL_CreateThread(func,data), SDL_KillThread(id), and SDL_WaitThread(id) |
| 03:09:43 | vogon_jeltz | came up with a cool idea |
| 03:09:55 | vogon_jeltz | an OggVorbis player for BZ |
| 03:10:03 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:10:04 | vogon_jeltz | just start it with a -playlist switch |
| 03:10:28 | vogon_jeltz | not much of a deal if I'm converting all the other sounds to Vorbis |
| 03:32:09 | vogon_jeltz | heh, guys; I just posted a message about my m-media conversion stuff to pub33.ezboard.com/fbzflagfrm3 |
| 04:41:54 | captain_proton | wb sig |
| 04:42:06 | vogon_jeltz | thx... it's great to be back |
| 04:42:32 | captain_proton | heh...i'm doing star trek trivia while my downloads download |
| 04:42:40 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:43:46 | captain_proton | 413. [STT] [Star Trek: The Next Generation] In "Family," what civilian endeavor was Picard invited to supervise on earth [STT] /\ ? |
| 04:44:01 | vogon_jeltz | oh, man |
| 04:44:06 | vogon_jeltz | has no clue |
| 06:23:37 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching ST:DS9... bbl |
| 06:41:02 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:17:25) |
| 14:19:13 | vogon_jeltz | is away: reading |