| 02:00:32 | captain_proton | anybody here? |
| 02:01:00 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 02:01:28 | vogon_jeltz | how long's your box been up? |
| 02:01:36 | vogon_jeltz | 8:02pm up 2 days, 16:44, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00 |
| 02:01:48 | captain_proton | 9:02pm up 6 days, 22:14, 6 users, load average: 0.07, 0.06, 0.01 |
| 02:01:53 | vogon_jeltz | damn you |
| 02:01:55 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 02:02:13 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:02:28 | vogon_jeltz | your box has been up exactly 102.5 hours longer than mine :/ |
| 02:02:37 | vogon_jeltz | Linux fortytwo.homeip.net 2.4.12 #6 Thu Oct 11 04:05:19 PDT 2001 i686 unknown |
| 02:02:57 | captain_proton | Linux bhaskara 2.4.10-ac2 #3 Wed Oct 3 10:16:26 MDT 2001 i686 unknown |
| 02:03:05 | vogon_jeltz | ahahahaha |
| 02:03:14 | vogon_jeltz | my kernel 0wnz j00rs |
| 02:03:23 | captain_proton | thats debatable |
| 02:04:28 | captain_proton | ordered a new mouse |
| 02:04:37 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 02:04:50 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en ich bin heut irgendwie lahm |
| 02:04:53 | | captain_proton: I am heut somehow lame |
| 02:05:12 | | on the translation has neutral karma |
| 02:05:12 | vogon_jeltz | wow, score on the translation, ibot |
| 02:05:14 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en so, ich komm gleich |
| 02:05:16 | | captain_proton: so, I come directly |
| 02:05:24 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:05:37 | captain_proton | is hungry |
| 02:05:48 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, x en de ibot can't translate worth a damn |
| 02:05:50 | | vogon_jeltz: ibot kann nicht wert ein verfluchtes übersetzen |
| 02:05:57 | captain_proton | lol |
| 02:06:17 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, x de en ibot kann nicht wert ein verfluchtes übersetzen |
| 02:06:19 | | vogon_jeltz: ibot worth a verfluchtes cannot translate |
| 02:06:23 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe |
| 02:07:26 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: can you translate worth a verfluchtes? |
| 02:07:29 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 02:07:36 | vogon_jeltz | never learned German, but I want to :) |
| 02:08:12 | vogon_jeltz | I'm a third-year French student and I plan to teach myself Esperanto :) |
| 02:10:03 | vogon_jeltz | and his friend, a third-year German student, both think German sounds kinda like English spoken by a mental patient :) |
| 02:10:24 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:10:32 | captain_proton | wants to learn either japanese or mandarin |
| 02:10:45 | vogon_jeltz | wants to learn Japanese someday, too |
| 02:17:20 | captain_proton | MS licensing got an anthrax-laced letter :) |
| 02:17:49 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I know... they said that they would bring anybody else who received one up on piracy charges ;) |
| 02:18:07 | captain_proton | lol |
| 02:18:39 | vogon_jeltz | wishes it had come up to the Redmond campus |
| 02:19:22 | vogon_jeltz | my uncle is an ex-Microserf turned freelance hacker, and because of the lifetime NDAs, he can't develop simulation games, operating systems, or productivity software :( |
| 02:20:51 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:20:54 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... the latter two should be in quotes |
| 02:20:57 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 02:21:07 | vogon_jeltz | luckily, he's a database hacker :) |
| 02:33:31 | captain_proton | is bored |
| 02:33:44 | vogon_jeltz | wanna play some BZFlag? |
| 02:33:55 | captain_proton | sure for a little while |
| 02:34:21 | vogon_jeltz | wait a sec, tho |
| 02:34:32 | vogon_jeltz | gotta check to see if there are any errata for the Apache I have installed |
| 02:36:50 | vogon_jeltz | is away: playing BZFlag |
| 02:37:02 | vogon_jeltz | none... wanna play on your server? |
| 04:21:02 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 06:24:13 | captain_proton | returns |
| 06:28:29 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 06:31:44 | vogon_jeltz | is away: playing Tribes2 |
| 07:03:06 | tankenstein | hey this bzflag opn? |
| 07:03:10 | tankenstein | heh |
| 07:03:22 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:04:11 | captain_proton | sorry about yelling at you on my server - its just that some people let their children play and I prefer to keep the actual game environment friendly |
| 07:04:14 | Behomet | hi...damn, why can't I conenct with a normal irc client |
| 07:04:22 | captain_proton | you should be able to |
| 07:04:37 | captain_proton | its possible you're behind a firewall that blocks IRC |
| 07:05:00 | Behomet | no I can connect to other irc servers..same deal at home too |
| 07:05:12 | captain_proton | what client are you trying to use? |
| 07:05:16 | tankenstein | hey whatever I just take my gaming seriously and cursing is part of it |
| 07:05:18 | tankenstein | heh |
| 07:05:30 | tankenstein | no no cursing rules in the man page heh |
| 07:05:32 | tankenstein | =P |
| 07:05:50 | Behomet | in Windows mIRC, in Linux either BitchX or xchat |
| 07:05:53 | tankenstein | sheesh taking forever to conneect to opn lately |
| 07:06:02 | captain_proton | thats really bizzare...i'm in xchat |
| 07:06:16 | Behomet | Well anyway, hi =) |
| 07:06:24 | captain_proton | hi |
| 07:06:35 | Behomet | I just discovered bzflag this morning |
| 07:06:36 | tankenstein | Behomet? you can't connect to irc |
| 07:06:45 | Behomet | its an awesome game |
| 07:06:48 | tankenstein | you sure its not just slow |
| 07:07:00 | tankenstein | brb |
| 07:07:06 | Behomet | no I can't connect to orc.openprojects.net |
| 07:07:10 | Behomet | irc that is |
| 07:07:22 | tankenstein | i'm iLLf8d btw (my irc nick) my other bzflag name other then tankenstein is warmoe |
| 07:07:25 | tankenstein | brb |
| 07:07:40 | Behomet | but I can connect to irc.gimp.net which is supposed to be on the openprojects network, but there was not #baflag on it |
| 07:07:52 | iLLf8d | gimp is seperate |
| 07:07:58 | iLLf8d | net hmm |
| 07:07:59 | captain_proton | irc.gimp.net is part of berkely i think |
| 07:08:05 | iLLf8d | org is actually |
| 07:08:19 | Behomet | I thought irc.gimp.net was on the openprojects global irc net |
| 07:08:28 | iLLf8d | if it has tomcat and all those other guys yeah its not connected here |
| 07:08:31 | Behomet | oh maybe its org... |
| 07:08:44 | iLLf8d | org is seperate |
| 07:08:50 | Behomet | I don't know, I am at work right now so, it's useless to discuss it |
| 07:08:52 | iLLf8d | not sure about net |
| 07:08:56 | Behomet | cause I can't check |
| 07:09:00 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:09:17 | captain_proton | wow - lots of people here tonight |
| 07:09:30 | iLLf8d | I can't beleive I missed the tourney |
| 07:09:34 | Behomet | So anyway, I don't recogniz any names here....as I said I just started playing today |
| 07:09:42 | iLLf8d | probably would've gotten knocked out in the first round |
| 07:09:51 | iLLf8d | but tournament advertisements sucked |
| 07:09:53 | iLLf8d | sorry to say |
| 07:10:01 | captain_proton | normally its just me, vogon_jeltz, Chestal, and BZFlag (tim riker) hanging out in the channel |
| 07:10:15 | iLLf8d | I've been playing between a few and 12 hours a day the last month or so |
| 07:10:22 | Behomet | Tim is one of the original authors right? |
| 07:10:22 | iLLf8d | and I never heard word one about it heh |
| 07:10:47 | captain_proton | tim is the current project maintainer |
| 07:10:51 | Behomet | ahh |
| 07:10:59 | captain_proton | the original author was chris schoeneman |
| 07:11:05 | iLLf8d | I've never seen you here before proton but i've seen the others you've mentioned you on USA time or something else |
| 07:11:19 | Behomet | Is it worth playing with the CVS version of bz or should I stick to the release? |
| 07:11:51 | captain_proton | unless you want to mess with some of the cool patches that are going to be in the next release, its probably easiest to stick to 1.7e2 |
| 07:11:59 | iLLf8d | suspects that he's been put on ignore by the captain heh |
| 07:12:18 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: not at all |
| 07:12:22 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:12:23 | Behomet | when is the next release scheduled? There isn't much information on the websites |
| 07:12:38 | captain_proton | whenever tim gets around to doing it |
| 07:12:47 | captain_proton | "sometime between now and christmas" |
| 07:13:15 | Behomet | You know...I am really suprised more people don't play bzflag...but honestly I didn't even know about it until today. |
| 07:13:36 | Behomet | and I have been gaming and computing for 15 years =) |
| 07:13:49 | captain_proton | the bz controls are really very difficult and frustrating compared to most games |
| 07:14:14 | captain_proton | and it looks (i'm not saying it is) much less interesting than most games too |
| 07:14:15 | iLLf8d | anything good expected in the next release? |
| 07:14:48 | captain_proton | well, many bugfixes, a new spawning algorithm (to prevent you from getting killed as soon as you respawn), |
| 07:15:07 | captain_proton | hopefully these too: flags-on-buildings, custom CTF worlds, and elevated CTF bases |
| 07:15:19 | captain_proton | oh and probably barrel elevation too |
| 07:15:25 | iLLf8d | CTF? |
| 07:15:29 | captain_proton | capture-the-flag |
| 07:15:32 | iLLf8d | oh heh |
| 07:15:43 | iLLf8d | hmm how they gonna work that |
| 07:15:46 | captain_proton | ok - well i desperately need sleep |
| 07:15:48 | iLLf8d | barrel elevatin |
| 07:15:52 | iLLf8d | thats gonna be tough |
| 07:16:02 | captain_proton | its done, it just needs to be tested/debugged |
| 07:16:19 | captain_proton | although it needs to be mappable to the mouse wheel |
| 07:16:26 | captain_proton | goodnight people |
| 07:16:54 | Behomet | goodnight cap |
| 07:17:01 | iLLf8d | oh scrolly elevation |
| 07:17:04 | iLLf8d | that'd be cool |
| 07:17:06 | iLLf8d | gnight |
| 07:17:07 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 07:17:38 | Behomet | I don't know, I think gameplay is what keeps people playing....eye candy gets boring really quick |
| 07:17:51 | iLLf8d | ehh |
| 07:17:54 | Behomet | I played the game for proly 6 hours today in total |
| 07:18:12 | iLLf8d | it'd be way cooler if the field was larger and radar and whatnot had ranges |
| 07:18:26 | iLLf8d | that way you could do end runs around people with forces |
| 07:18:28 | Behomet | I mean, if a game is depending on its eye candy to jkeep people interested...it won't....gameplay is the tie braeker |
| 07:18:33 | iLLf8d | assuming it was a good map |
| 07:18:37 | Behomet | yes a larger field would bew cool |
| 07:18:55 | iLLf8d | although they'd have to make everyone by default have a high speed flag |
| 07:19:12 | Behomet | What are the sys requirements to run a good server using linux? |
| 07:19:16 | iLLf8d | at current speeds it gets long on some fields the extra highspeed flag speed would cover it |
| 07:19:21 | Behomet | say with 14 people limit |
| 07:19:23 | iLLf8d | uhm good as in what |
| 07:19:25 | iLLf8d | oh hmm |
| 07:19:28 | iLLf8d | more then what i've got |
| 07:19:32 | iLLf8d | i've got 140 up |
| 07:19:41 | iLLf8d | good for up to about 6 people |
| 07:19:44 | Behomet | huh? |
| 07:19:46 | iLLf8d | 4-6 |
| 07:20:04 | iLLf8d | you mean hardware wise or bandwidth wise? |
| 07:20:11 | Behomet | ok, what kind of hardware ...yeah hardware |
| 07:20:13 | iLLf8d | not sure hardware wise |
| 07:20:14 | Behomet | I have broadband |
| 07:20:30 | iLLf8d | I used to have one on a p133 dialup even |
| 07:20:32 | iLLf8d | it sucked though heh |
| 07:20:36 | Behomet | Well is it low or high..can you tell me that much ? |
| 07:20:42 | Behomet | hw |
| 07:20:43 | iLLf8d | local lan it was fine though |
| 07:20:54 | Behomet | ok, then it was your pipe that limited it... |
| 07:21:02 | Behomet | so there isn't much work being done by the server |
| 07:21:22 | iLLf8d | yeah I think so (dunno if it could've handled a load most people would bail when lag got high so it was never tested) |
| 07:21:34 | iLLf8d | and my local lan is in my house so only 2 players heh |
| 07:21:38 | iLLf8d | 4 machines though |
| 07:21:59 | iLLf8d | know what I mean |
| 07:22:06 | Behomet | I'd like to put up a nice server...it looks like in the list of commonly availble servers, that there are 2-4 nice ones.. |
| 07:22:11 | iLLf8d | uhm theres work being done |
| 07:22:19 | iLLf8d | it wasn't like 100% cpu util |
| 07:22:25 | iLLf8d | it was a sizeable chunk though |
| 07:22:29 | Behomet | you using windows or linux? |
| 07:22:33 | iLLf8d | at least double digits |
| 07:22:45 | Behomet | how about disk usage? |
| 07:22:46 | iLLf8d | i've had it running on linux and freebsd |
| 07:22:53 | iLLf8d | sheesh I can't recall |
| 07:22:54 | Behomet | server do much rw? |
| 07:22:57 | iLLf8d | I had enough memory though so |
| 07:23:06 | Behomet | just trying to figure out what I would need |
| 07:23:14 | iLLf8d | isn't really a performance testing guy |
| 07:23:21 | Behomet | If I can stick it on a fileserver or something |
| 07:23:31 | iLLf8d | I browse and occasionally bzflag a homepage on the webserver at most |
| 07:23:32 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:23:41 | iLLf8d | everything runs fast here cause I have no loads heh |
| 07:23:49 | iLLf8d | sure |
| 07:23:57 | akira | moin |
| 07:23:58 | iLLf8d | i'd say yeah it'll run fine on an fserve |
| 07:24:00 | Behomet | yeah well my fileserver mostly just hold my mp3s |
| 07:24:16 | akira | moin chestal |
| 07:24:27 | iLLf8d | I REALLY don't recall but i'm thinking on my p133 we were talking in the high 30's to low 40's cpu util |
| 07:24:39 | iLLf8d | I could be completely wrong though |
| 07:24:49 | iLLf8d | I never paid alot of attention |
| 07:24:55 | Behomet | 30-40? oh geez, that's nothing |
| 07:25:06 | Behomet | I could compile glibc on that |
| 07:25:10 | iLLf8d | it was a p133 with 128M memory |
| 07:25:12 | Behomet | and still have room |
| 07:25:31 | iLLf8d | they have a standalone server too |
| 07:25:33 | Behomet | I have a p200mmx with 160 MB o Ram I think will work nicely then |
| 07:25:40 | Behomet | who's they? |
| 07:25:43 | iLLf8d | freebsd didn't (and may still not have one) |
| 07:25:53 | iLLf8d | they meaning you can run the client in server mode |
| 07:26:03 | Behomet | huh? |
| 07:26:14 | iLLf8d | or use a command line server only thing (or at least thats what I thought it was) its a different package so... |
| 07:26:17 | iLLf8d | I assumed |
| 07:26:26 | iLLf8d | the guys who wrote bzflag |
| 07:26:27 | Behomet | ok you are loosing me |
| 07:26:46 | iLLf8d | when you start up the client theres a menu to have it act as a server |
| 07:27:00 | Behomet | doesn't that just start bzfs? |
| 07:27:10 | Behomet | same as typing bzfs at the cli? |
| 07:27:26 | iLLf8d | theres also a server thats seperate I think (althoguh I could be wrong) |
| 07:27:43 | iLLf8d | theres 2 seperate packages in debian for bzflag |
| 07:27:47 | Behomet | I know there are 4 bins that compiled |
| 07:27:53 | Behomet | Oh... |
| 07:28:02 | Behomet | hehe..I am a sources guy... |
| 07:28:40 | Behomet | if you compile the source yourself you get 4 bins. |
| 07:28:53 | Behomet | a relay, the server, the client and something else I forget |
| 07:29:08 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 07:29:21 | iLLf8d | has only compiled from source once or twice and didn't really look around |
| 07:29:25 | Behomet | so your are a debian guy huh? |
| 07:29:28 | iLLf8d | was more interested in playing heh |
| 07:29:33 | iLLf8d | debian/freebsd |
| 07:29:35 | Behomet | yeah I hear you |
| 07:29:50 | iLLf8d | most of the time I just use packages |
| 07:30:07 | Behomet | I haven't used a distribution in a long time...i often forget that people don't roll their own linux.... |
| 07:30:09 | iLLf8d | the times i've compiled from source is when debian package the source up too slow for my taste |
| 07:30:17 | iLLf8d | or when a new gotta have feature comes out |
| 07:30:21 | iLLf8d | like udp this last time |
| 07:30:36 | iLLf8d | debian makes it easy |
| 07:30:44 | iLLf8d | so does freebsd for that matter |
| 07:30:59 | Behomet | if you are really into linux, you might want to try building you own linux....once you catch the bug, you'll never use a distro again |
| 07:31:06 | iLLf8d | I type apt-get install bzflag and 30 seconds later I type bzflag and i'm playing |
| 07:31:13 | iLLf8d | don't have to look for sources |
| 07:31:14 | iLLf8d | etc... |
| 07:31:23 | Behomet | sources are easy to find |
| 07:31:23 | Behomet | sources are easy to find |
| 07:31:32 | Behomet | I didn't send that twice |
| 07:31:40 | iLLf8d | the point is I can install it before you find the sources even heh |
| 07:32:00 | yem | hey what's with the 30second drop in thing in bzflag? or do i just suck? |
| 07:32:05 | iLLf8d | for example pick a package |
| 07:32:07 | Behomet | try, but if it takes you 30 seconds and me 5 mintues....no big deal really |
| 07:32:10 | yem | searches for a newbie faq |
| 07:32:14 | iLLf8d | say uhm |
| 07:32:26 | iLLf8d | has to try to think of something he doesn't have installed |
| 07:32:31 | iLLf8d | say soundtracker for example |
| 07:32:36 | iLLf8d | i'll install it starting now |
| 07:32:54 | Behomet | nah its ok |
| 07:33:02 | Behomet | you aren't going to sell me =) |
| 07:33:09 | iLLf8d | its running in front of me now |
| 07:33:14 | iLLf8d | how long did it take |
| 07:33:22 | Behomet | dunno |
| 07:33:27 | iLLf8d | 20 seconds tops i'd say right? |
| 07:33:36 | Behomet | sure, but do you know what its doing? |
| 07:33:42 | iLLf8d | Fetched 248kB in 4s (60.4kB/s) |
| 07:33:46 | Behomet | do you trust the bins? |
| 07:33:46 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:33:50 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 07:33:52 | Behomet | ok |
| 07:33:53 | iLLf8d | they're quite stable |
| 07:34:03 | iLLf8d | almost never if ever run into issues |
| 07:34:11 | Behomet | hmm |
| 07:34:32 | iLLf8d | and i'll take it out and tellya when i'm done starting now |
| 07:34:33 | Behomet | plus my system is optimized natively for my hardware which is nice |
| 07:34:55 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 07:35:01 | iLLf8d | its gone and its dependencies |
| 07:35:02 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 07:35:07 | Behomet | cool |
| 07:35:23 | iLLf8d | if you're a sysadmin it rocks (which i'm not) |
| 07:35:35 | iLLf8d | make it easy for you to update many machines with the exact same shit |
| 07:35:44 | iLLf8d | and even build a kernel on one and install on the rest |
| 07:35:49 | iLLf8d | all automated |
| 07:35:50 | Behomet | I would like to do and md5sum on your system....run dpkg on a bunch of stuff on your system, tehn md5sum it again and see if theres a diff |
| 07:36:18 | iLLf8d | to check for what? |
| 07:36:23 | iLLf8d | optimisations? |
| 07:36:24 | iLLf8d | or what |
| 07:36:40 | Behomet | to see if you system gets changed at all |
| 07:36:42 | iLLf8d | filesize differences are gonna show you waht? |
| 07:36:53 | Behomet | not filesizes |
| 07:36:57 | Behomet | just a diff |
| 07:36:57 | iLLf8d | from what standpoint? |
| 07:37:02 | iLLf8d | security or something |
| 07:37:11 | Behomet | sure, and other considerations |
| 07:37:12 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 05:00:13) |
| 07:37:15 | iLLf8d | oh |
| 07:37:16 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:37:26 | Behomet | if you add something, and then remove it...is it all being removed? |
| 07:37:35 | iLLf8d | i'm not sure how secure it is never had an issue though I don't have anything thats worth hacking either heh |
| 07:37:38 | Behomet | are there and conf files that are permanently changed?? |
| 07:37:39 | iLLf8d | yes |
| 07:37:45 | iLLf8d | everything goes |
| 07:37:54 | iLLf8d | if you use dpkg purge |
| 07:38:00 | iLLf8d | it wipes our configs and paths |
| 07:38:14 | iLLf8d | and will tellya if something else is cohabitating the path since install |
| 07:38:15 | Behomet | what are your bins compiled for a 386? |
| 07:38:20 | iLLf8d | ie something else installed there |
| 07:38:21 | Behomet | hmm |
| 07:38:42 | Behomet | hey vogon |
| 07:38:46 | iLLf8d | I don't even know what they're compiled for to be honest |
| 07:38:52 | Behomet | proly 386 |
| 07:38:52 | vogon_jeltz | hey |
| 07:39:00 | Behomet | for compatibility's sake |
| 07:39:02 | iLLf8d | if you have any serious questions ask in #debian or I got a buddy who'd know |
| 07:39:10 | Behomet | I know where to find out |
| 07:40:04 | Behomet | SO how many bz players you think there are? |
| 07:40:14 | Behomet | what does bz mean? |
| 07:40:30 | vogon_jeltz | BattleZone |
| 07:40:36 | vogon_jeltz | it's the game upon which BZFlag was based |
| 07:40:37 | iLLf8d | I don't like everything debian does but its the most carefree from a use/administration standpoint (of the linux dists i've tried) but who am I, I've never did an LFS (althoguh I thought about it people have told me it takes like 8 hours and i'm not sure I have the knowhow to pull it off either so) |
| 07:41:08 | iLLf8d | bzflag rox heh |
| 07:41:12 | iLLf8d | kill you later =) |
| 07:41:14 | iLLf8d | cya |
| 07:41:16 | Behomet | take me about 4 hours |
| 07:41:19 | Behomet | later |
| 07:41:27 | Behomet | battlezone ok |
| 07:41:35 | Behomet | I should ahve thought of that |
| 07:42:30 | Behomet | anyone here other that you and I vogon? |
| 07:42:45 | vogon_jeltz | I think captain_proton might be here |
| 07:42:55 | vogon_jeltz | and ibot's a bot, so he's always here :) |
| 07:43:03 | Behomet | if I am not mistaken, he left about and hour ago |
| 07:43:27 | vogon_jeltz | hell, then I've been playing too much Tribes2 :) |
| 07:43:33 | Behomet | vogon, is that your callsign? |
| 07:43:40 | Behomet | I wanna get tribes2 |
| 07:44:10 | Behomet | Whos server is this? |
| 07:44:23 | Behomet | I really like this http-irc interface |
| 07:44:32 | Behomet | I wanna get a copy of it |
| 07:44:36 | Behomet | its fast and clean |
| 07:45:39 | iLLf8d | uhm ib |
| 07:45:52 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:48:50 | vogon_jeltz | caught up on the backlog of messages he missed |
| 07:51:13 | Behomet | ib? |
| 07:51:23 | vogon_jeltz | Behomet: my BZ callsign is SIGKILL :) |
| 07:51:36 | Behomet | ok |
| 07:51:43 | Behomet | were you playing to day? |
| 07:51:48 | vogon_jeltz | is also the developer of the flag-on-building and custom-CTF patches |
| 07:52:00 | vogon_jeltz | Behomet: yeah, I was playing on captain_proton's server |
| 07:52:06 | Behomet | dtf is world files right? |
| 07:52:13 | vogon_jeltz | CTF is a game type |
| 07:52:18 | vogon_jeltz | (Capture The Flag) |
| 07:52:22 | Behomet | ahh |
| 07:52:38 | Behomet | still learning all this...just started playing today |
| 07:52:40 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:52:53 | vogon_jeltz | CTF is a standard gametype in most first-person shooters |
| 07:53:14 | Behomet | I don't think I have played a CTF yet |
| 07:53:19 | Behomet | in bzflag |
| 07:53:23 | vogon_jeltz | not many servers run them :) |
| 07:53:31 | Behomet | why not? |
| 07:53:37 | vogon_jeltz | off the top of my head, rikers.org:5155 is the only one that does |
| 07:53:53 | Behomet | are they not pop |
| 07:53:56 | Behomet | ? |
| 07:53:57 | vogon_jeltz | Behomet: people are more interested in blowing the crud out of everyone in their way than working as a team :) |
| 07:54:08 | Behomet | I have noticed that |
| 07:54:29 | Behomet | Its hard to work as a team when you really can't decide whos on what team, you just lick a color |
| 07:54:35 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 07:54:39 | Behomet | s/lick/pick |
| 07:54:53 | vogon_jeltz | but it works if you have a group of people playing... ooh, you know regexps :) |
| 07:54:55 | Behomet | I was getting chomped but good though today |
| 07:55:08 | vogon_jeltz | me, too |
| 07:55:22 | Behomet | I played on Chestal's server and another one, I can't remember tehn name of, but it was a blaste em away server |
| 07:55:34 | Behomet | I like chestals srver |
| 07:55:38 | vogon_jeltz | I know a good part of the code, and I've been playing for months, but I'm not any good at BZFlag :) |
| 07:55:55 | Behomet | I think I did ok for my first day |
| 07:56:05 | vogon_jeltz | I'm not as bad as I used to be (because of Tribes2), but I'm still not that good :P |
| 07:56:22 | Behomet | I still have to get Tribes2 |
| 07:56:28 | Behomet | you use windows or linux? |
| 07:56:39 | vogon_jeltz | Linux |
| 07:56:47 | Behomet | you got the loki port? |
| 07:56:48 | vogon_jeltz | Linux fortytwo.homeip.net 2.4.12 #6 Thu Oct 11 04:05:19 PDT 2001 i686 unknown |
| 07:56:51 | vogon_jeltz | Behomet: yep |
| 07:57:02 | Behomet | how does it run? |
| 07:57:09 | vogon_jeltz | just fine :) |
| 07:57:24 | Behomet | I can't get the demos to install on my system, but I gave up pretty quick..had better things to do |
| 07:57:25 | vogon_jeltz | Pentium III/933, Voodoo5 5500 |
| 07:57:50 | Behomet | AMD700 Slot A / 394 MB RAM, Geforce2 |
| 07:58:09 | Behomet | 2.4.12? |
| 07:58:16 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 07:58:16 | Behomet | you an LFSer? |
| 07:58:22 | vogon_jeltz | no, ReHat |
| 07:58:26 | vogon_jeltz | RedHat, even |
| 07:58:36 | Behomet | sec |
| 07:59:08 | vogon_jeltz | btw, don't bother looking; I compile my kernel from scratch :) |
| 08:00:08 | Behomet | don't bother looking for what? |
| 08:00:29 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, I thought you were looking at RedHat's FTP to find the 2.4.12 kernel ;) |
| 08:00:43 | Behomet | oh, no...I am at work, I had to take call |
| 08:00:46 | Behomet | a call too |
| 08:00:48 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, OK :) |
| 08:00:50 | Behomet | no I LFS |
| 08:01:06 | vogon_jeltz | I tried a custom LFS once, but it didn't pan out |
| 08:01:15 | vogon_jeltz | RedHat compilers are known to suck |
| 08:01:19 | Behomet | hehe...you should try again....its much better now |
| 08:01:34 | Behomet | ahh wellt here is a special gcc you should replace yours with first |
| 08:01:39 | vogon_jeltz | I tried it on the prerelease of whatever the current version is :) |
| 08:01:55 | Behomet | gcc-2.95.2.1 was patched to be built by RH gcc |
| 08:02:00 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:02:16 | Behomet | don't use the the released LFS books...use the CVS snapshot |
| 08:02:21 | vogon_jeltz | I'm not going to bother again... to do so would require extensive repartitioning of my hard drives |
| 08:02:26 | Behomet | CVS is always safe to use |
| 08:02:32 | vogon_jeltz | hahahaha |
| 08:02:33 | Behomet | in LFS's case that is |
| 08:02:40 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, Ok :) |
| 08:02:47 | Behomet | its just a book... |
| 08:03:12 | Behomet | ok |
| 08:03:13 | vogon_jeltz | in the world of open source, nothing is certain :) |
| 08:03:53 | Behomet | yeah, but if you use tried sources, you won't have a problem...we have thousands of testers and we are continuouly improving the design |
| 08:05:16 | vogon_jeltz | hehe... you work on LFS? :) |
| 08:05:21 | Behomet | which server s do you play the most? |
| 08:05:26 | Behomet | yes I do |
| 08:05:33 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 08:05:37 | Behomet | I am Scot on #lfs |
| 08:05:48 | Behomet | irc.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 08:05:52 | Behomet | not there right now though |
| 08:05:56 | vogon_jeltz | Behomet: captain_proton's server (I forget the IP, but it's running a map called DANWORLD right now) |
| 08:06:04 | Behomet | ahh cool |
| 08:06:13 | vogon_jeltz | Behomet: I also play on EagleNest and tiger.intellectualintegrity.com |
| 08:06:27 | Behomet | I haven't seen that server |
| 08:06:28 | vogon_jeltz | or is it tiger.conceptualintegrity.com? :/ |
| 08:06:33 | Behomet | that one either |
| 08:06:44 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:06:49 | Behomet | I'd like to put up my own server |
| 08:06:50 | vogon_jeltz | I'm not sure it's up right now |
| 08:07:07 | vogon_jeltz | Behomet: feel free to; I can supply any command-line switch help that you need |
| 08:07:15 | Behomet | that would be cool |
| 08:19:33 | Behomet | have you tried the CVS version of bzflag? |
| 08:19:59 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 08:20:05 | vogon_jeltz | (because I'm a developer, remember) :) |
| 08:20:11 | Behomet | oh no I forgot |
| 08:20:14 | Behomet | =) |
| 08:20:22 | Behomet | what's it like? |
| 08:20:32 | vogon_jeltz | heh... it's like the normal one :) |
| 08:20:37 | Behomet | no different? |
| 08:21:01 | vogon_jeltz | except for the patches that I write, no :) |
| 08:21:14 | Behomet | what's in teh patches? |
| 08:21:30 | vogon_jeltz | flags on buildings, custom Capture-The-Flag worlds... |
| 08:21:35 | Behomet | right |
| 08:21:53 | Behomet | so they are server side patches |
| 08:22:17 | vogon_jeltz | yes, and the flag-on-building one is also client-side |
| 08:23:08 | Behomet | oh it is? IO would have thought the position of the flag would have been enough |
| 08:23:21 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 08:23:25 | Behomet | huh |
| 08:23:30 | vogon_jeltz | it's a lot of other stuff to be done besides that |
| 08:23:41 | Behomet | I bleieve you , jsut suprised |
| 08:24:04 | Behomet | oh, I bet its because the flags aren't active while they are off teh ground |
| 08:24:20 | Behomet | like when they get dropped by a killed tank |
| 08:24:29 | vogon_jeltz | no, just that the client doesn't consider itself "over a flag" unless it's on the ground |
| 08:24:44 | Behomet | oh ic |
| 08:25:27 | Behomet | so the client tell the server that it hit a flag, not the server telling the client |
| 08:25:28 | Behomet | ? |
| 08:25:36 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 08:26:37 | Behomet | ill have to check it out....I like the cleaness of the networking |
| 09:23:09 | Chestal | re |
| 09:50:17 | lupinator | hiho |
| 09:50:23 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 10:19:47 | Chestal | hi u 2 |
| 10:20:04 | Chestal | vogon: shouldn't you be sleeping? |
| 10:20:13 | Chestal | vogon: what timezone do you live in? |
| 10:31:41 | lupinator | Chestal: did you put those score graphs on the net yet? |
| 10:39:23 | Chestal | lupinator: two things went wrong: one bug and my PC craashing. I didn't have any data of the final due to the crash :-( |
| 10:39:27 | Chestal | maybe next time |
| 10:42:46 | lupinator | yeah, the big team fight on ducati. we should try to find as much variations as possible on ducati to avoid jumping |
| 10:43:05 | Chestal | you're right :-) |
| 10:43:12 | Chestal | as I said before: I refuse to jump |
| 10:43:31 | Chestal | is considering to remove jumping ability in his client ;-) |
| 10:43:56 | Chestal | we could play with inertia enabled, I never tried that |
| 10:44:16 | Chestal | or even ctf style |
| 10:44:21 | lupinator | vogon_jeltz: add "-remove jumping" to you list for 1.8 |
| 10:44:38 | lupinator | what is inertia? |
| 10:44:50 | Chestal | ibot, x en de inertia |
| 10:44:52 | | Chestal: Schwungkraft |
| 10:44:56 | Chestal | silly bot |
| 10:45:17 | | lupinator: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:45:17 | lupinator | ibot: what the hell is inertia? |
| 10:45:18 | Chestal | with inertia enabled, your acceleration is limited |
| 10:45:25 | Chestal | kind of having momentum at all times |
| 10:46:26 | Chestal | bzfs -a : maximum acceleration settings |
| 10:46:33 | lupinator | hm, doesn't sound nice but doubles all possibilities for a tournament |
| 10:47:35 | | i don't know, lupinator |
| 10:47:35 | lupinator | ibot, who is playing on ducati? |
| 10:47:43 | lupinator | that would be nice |
| 10:47:46 | | Chestal: excuse me? |
| 10:47:46 | Chestal | ibot, say 'noone' |
| 10:47:55 | | Chestal: what? |
| 10:47:55 | Chestal | ibot: you dumb piece of crap |
| 10:48:02 | | ibot is nothing but a fermented gob of weedy poopy. |
| 10:48:02 | Chestal | ibot: insult ibot |
| 10:48:34 | Chestal | lupinator: btw, Behomet seems to be new to the game, he said he played for the first time yesterday |
| 10:48:59 | lupinator | he played quite good for that |
| 10:49:47 | Chestal | yep, he's also quite interested in the game, I think he might be quite active in the bz world the next months |
| 10:50:15 | lupinator | we just have to teach him not to play sober |
| 10:50:37 | lupinator | ginku can take care of this |
| 10:50:38 | Chestal | hmm, I never tried playing drunk |
| 10:50:55 | Chestal | I remember Blaster being drunk once, he sucked :-) |
| 10:51:36 | Chestal | btw, who is iLL8fd? |
| 10:52:54 | lupinator | warmoe |
| 10:53:06 | lupinator | i don't really know him |
| 10:53:53 | Chestal | alias tankenstein? |
| 10:54:09 | Chestal | he complained that he knew nothing of the tournament because of bad advertising |
| 10:54:13 | lupinator | bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:54:40 | lupinator | it was less than a week |
| 10:54:56 | Chestal | yes, ok, we should have at least 10 days the next time |
| 10:55:31 | Chestal | although we hinted that there might be a tournament some days earlier |
| 10:56:08 | lupinator | the hero list thread? |
| 10:56:16 | Chestal | I guess I should start a thread in the forum asking for opinions about the tournament and future ones |
| 10:56:33 | Chestal | lupi: yes, and I posted a msg to te bzflag-user mailing list |
| 10:56:49 | Chestal | peopel were sometimes atlkaing about it, at least on ducati |
| 10:57:03 | Chestal | but many tanks obviusly do not read messages while playin |
| 10:59:38 | vogon_jeltz | lupinator: uhh, you can disable jumping, but it's a server option |
| 11:00:28 | lupinator | vogon_jeltz: right, remove -j |
| 11:00:33 | vogon_jeltz | yes, precisely |
| 11:00:37 | Chestal | vogon: it's the other way around, you have to enable jumping on the server side, no jumping is the default mode of play |
| 11:00:49 | vogon_jeltz | oh, you mean to invert the sense of the switch? |
| 11:00:53 | Chestal | most people think jumping is the default, it isn't |
| 11:00:57 | vogon_jeltz | have it default to jumping... got it |
| 11:01:03 | Chestal | vogon: lupi was just joking |
| 11:01:13 | Chestal | we do not like jumping |
| 11:01:16 | vogon_jeltz | hahahahah |
| 11:01:21 | vogon_jeltz | jumping rules |
| 11:01:43 | vogon_jeltz | you've never played Tribes2, so I don't expect you to understand the usefulness of jumping :) |
| 11:01:48 | Chestal | IIRC the docs even say that one shoudl play with 1 shot only if sufficiently experienced |
| 11:02:00 | Chestal | jumping tanks are just - bizarre |
| 11:02:04 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 11:02:26 | lupinator | i would say sufficiently unexperienced |
| 11:02:33 | vogon_jeltz | whoa... 5:03 in the morning |
| 11:02:45 | vogon_jeltz | I figure I've played about 4 hours of Tribes2 tonight |
| 11:03:16 | Chestal | lupi: well, 5 shots settings are ok for beginners, they won't hit a static tank with only 1 shot :-) |
| 11:03:27 | vogon_jeltz | heh... in one of the games, my base was spectacularly over-defended :) |
| 11:04:18 | vogon_jeltz | I set up a defense network such that you'd need to get by 5 big turrets, 4 forcefields, 8 little turrets, a thickness of blastwall, and 3 mines to get to the flag :) |
| 11:04:22 | lupinator | is heading dor lunch |
| 11:04:51 | Chestal | I do not know tribes 2 |
| 11:04:59 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: believe me, it's fun :) |
| 11:05:12 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: even some tank-driving parts for veteran BZ tankers :) |
| 11:06:21 | Chestal | ah, this is not for me |
| 11:06:28 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe |
| 11:06:55 | vogon_jeltz | it's like bloodless quake with far more weapons, vehicles, and maps over a kilometer on a side |
| 11:07:19 | Chestal | well, you'll have to have a good 3D card I suppose |
| 11:07:25 | vogon_jeltz | very good :) |
| 11:07:27 | Chestal | and I can't play it at work (Linux) anyway |
| 11:07:36 | Chestal | I can only use software rendering |
| 11:07:40 | vogon_jeltz | my Voodoo5 5500 barely runs it at 640x480x32 :P |
| 11:08:08 | Chestal | what I like about bzflag is that you can run it on a variety of platforms and its simplicity |
| 11:08:11 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 11:08:25 | vogon_jeltz | Tribes2 is far too complex to be compared to BZFlag |
| 11:08:42 | vogon_jeltz | the tanks are even complex :) |
| 11:08:58 | vogon_jeltz | they can strafe, and they take two people to operate |
| 11:09:06 | vogon_jeltz | a pilot and a gunner... |
| 11:09:24 | vogon_jeltz | the gunner has a chaingun turret and a mortar turret |
| 11:09:54 | vogon_jeltz | (about 5 shots from a chaingun can take down the average player; a well-placed mortar can take out several) |
| 11:10:28 | Chestal | hi zeus |
| 11:10:38 | vogon_jeltz | and there are firing rate restrictions (if you fire too much, you have to wait for the tank's energy to recharge...) :P |
| 11:10:53 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: it's not a game to be played strategically by the faint of heart :) |
| 11:11:12 | Chestal | that's too complex forme, I won't learn such things at my age anymore |
| 11:11:19 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 11:11:41 | vogon_jeltz | Tribes2 is the hip 13-24 y.o. game |
| 11:11:56 | vogon_jeltz | there's no gore or anything, just lots of explosions ;) |
| 11:12:27 | vogon_jeltz | the worst word any of the voices say is "damn" (in the context of "damn, I'm good" |
| 11:12:37 | vogon_jeltz | (add a close paren to the end) :) |
| 11:13:36 | Chestal | is startign to get hungry |
| 11:13:55 | vogon_jeltz | is too, but there's no meal that corresponds with 5:15 in the morning |
| 11:14:06 | Chestal | vogon: when do you sleep? |
| 11:14:20 | vogon_jeltz | from about 6 AM till 3 PM |
| 11:14:24 | Chestal | you're at the west coast? where exactly? |
| 11:14:32 | zeus | hey all, is chestal here? |
| 11:14:33 | vogon_jeltz | Western Washington |
| 11:14:37 | vogon_jeltz | hahahah |
| 11:14:39 | Chestal | zeus: yes |
| 11:15:01 | zeus | Chestal: Why did you not play in round 3: |
| 11:15:11 | zeus | I just noticed that |
| 11:15:19 | Chestal | zeus: I started playing but then my PC crashed right in middle of the battle |
| 11:15:28 | Chestal | zeus: when I returned, the battle was over |
| 11:15:44 | zeus | ouch, what was your score? |
| 11:16:14 | Chestal | at the time of my crash (I guess about 4 minutes into the battle) I was at +3, I guess zig also had a score close to mine, Blaster was in front |
| 11:17:09 | zeus | you should have advanced then, correct? zig was -1 |
| 11:17:13 | vogon_jeltz | is away: reading the paper and going to bed |
| 11:17:24 | vogon_jeltz | nn, all |
| 11:17:35 | Chestal | zeus: well, I though tit not being fair to just take my score at the time of my crash |
| 11:17:39 | zeus | cya |
| 11:17:41 | Chestal | vogon: good night |
| 11:20:19 | zeus | well it was a good tourney |
| 11:20:36 | zeus | still would like to see a 1 on 1 sometime |
| 11:21:00 | Chestal | yeah, I guess I will start a thread on the board to discuss things about next tournament |
| 11:21:15 | Chestal | I would prefer the mailing list but I guess I'll reach more people by using the forum |
| 11:21:25 | Chestal | I would like team matches |
| 11:22:10 | zeus | the team matches would be a lot of fun |
| 11:22:47 | Chestal | I'm not used to play in a team, but I thought we copuld have teams of 3 or 4 players and then have battles with 2 teams each |
| 11:22:47 | zeus | gotta run, CEO is walking in the door, later |
| 11:22:52 | Chestal | cu |
| 12:12:19 | lupinator | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:34:52 | Chestal | is too dumb to open a thread on the ezboard |
| 12:39:55 | lupinator | is back (gone 00:27:35) |
| 12:40:15 | lupinator | hehe chestal |
| 12:42:51 | lupinator | why is this thing called ezboard? |
| 12:44:15 | Chestal | it's hardboard to me |
| 12:44:26 | Chestal | help says: press the new topic button, there is no such button :-| |
| 12:46:01 | lupinator | i found 2 of tehm |
| 12:46:12 | lupinator | on the right |
| 12:47:40 | lupinator | http://pub33.ezboard.com/fbzflagfrm1.showAddTopicScreenFromWeb |
| 12:50:23 | Chestal | hmm |
| 12:50:36 | Chestal | on the right? where? |
| 12:51:18 | Chestal | I am on the topic view |
| 12:51:33 | lupinator | one is just below the page numbers |
| 12:51:55 | Chestal | I have big page numbers above the topic table and small ones below them |
| 12:51:58 | Chestal | but no button |
| 12:52:10 | lupinator | the other one above " |
| 12:52:10 | lupinator | Need help logging in? " |
| 12:52:36 | Chestal | I am logged in |
| 12:52:50 | Chestal | just created an account cause I thought when I am logged in a button might pop up |
| 12:53:18 | Chestal | which browser are you using? |
| 12:54:09 | lupinator | konqueror |
| 12:54:17 | Chestal | hmm, I tried with mozilla |
| 12:55:08 | lupinator | my mozilla shows it, too |
| 12:55:54 | lupinator | BZFlag |
| 12:55:54 | lupinator | > General BZFlag discussion |
| 12:55:54 | lupinator | <http://www.ezboard.com/image/email.gif> |
| 12:56:22 | Chestal | mozilla doesn't show it |
| 12:56:23 | lupinator | next to this stuff |
| 12:56:35 | Chestal | when I am logge din the button looks different |
| 12:56:38 | Chestal | this sucks |
| 12:56:44 | Chestal | with opera I have the button |
| 12:59:11 | lupinator | the forum is not chestal-proof |
| 12:59:30 | Chestal | ah |
| 12:59:40 | Chestal | I found the reason |
| 13:03:18 | Chestal | the images were ad-blocked |
| 13:44:07 | akira | hello |
| 13:44:34 | akira | some able to play bzflag ? on ducati ? |
| 13:48:01 | Chestal | no, must work |
| 14:00:34 | akira | so i have to kill newbies otherwhere :) |
| 14:00:51 | akira | kill ratio at the moment 50 - 6 |
| 14:02:47 | Chestal | must be luck ;-) |
| 14:02:52 | akira | nope |
| 14:03:01 | akira | lot of idiots .. and a laser in my hand |
| 14:04:31 | Chestal | is fighting mozilla |
| 14:05:04 | Chestal | grrrr |
| 14:08:50 | akira | ahr |
| 14:08:53 | akira | mozilla |
| 14:09:24 | Chestal | *hass* |
| 14:09:31 | Chestal | i try to block popup windows |
| 14:11:42 | akira | take konqueror |
| 14:11:53 | akira | there u can regress js |
| 14:13:53 | Chestal | argh, enough of this |
| 14:14:00 | Chestal | I will simply block -all_ popup windows |
| 14:14:15 | Chestal | blocking it for particular sites is not working for me for soem reasons |
| 14:14:29 | akira | take konqueror |
| 14:15:09 | Chestal | konqueror need kde environment |
| 14:15:17 | akira | yep |
| 14:15:23 | Chestal | I hate kde |
| 14:15:25 | akira | but whats wrong with that ? |
| 14:15:32 | akira | hate urself :))) |
| 14:15:52 | akira | mozilla is able to block popups ? |
| 14:16:05 | akira | tried out opera ? |
| 14:16:22 | Chestal | yep, opera sucks :-) |
| 14:16:31 | Chestal | waaaah, this didn't work either, grrrrr |
| 14:25:20 | Chestal | victory! |
| 14:54:23 | captain_proton | ? |
| 15:29:07 | firegod | when is the next release? |
| 15:29:13 | firegod | or should I get cvs? (: |
| 15:43:31 | Chestal | get CVS :-) |
| 15:51:49 | firegod | what's bw usage for a decent sized game? (thinking of running a server) |
| 15:52:22 | captain_proton | DSL should do - cable works sometimes |
| 15:52:28 | captain_proton | i don't know the number |
| 15:53:35 | firegod | my line is upgrading to 1.1 soon, should be enough. |
| 15:54:02 | Chestal | firegod: it's asymmetric, server will probably have to send more data than receive |
| 15:54:18 | Chestal | firegod: that's because it will act as broadcast relay |
| 15:54:53 | Chestal | firegod: but I have no exact numbers, you might just try and watch the lag values |
| 15:55:11 | captain_proton | lag values aren't too useful... |
| 15:55:40 | captain_proton | i think we need loads more admin commands |
| 15:55:55 | firegod | about that.. /lagstats? right? how do you use that? |
| 15:56:22 | firegod | i was told ingame.. is there a console? I've tried just typing it ingame. |
| 15:56:34 | captain_proton | just type that in as a message to everyone and the server will intercept it |
| 15:56:57 | firegod | Chestal.. alright, when i can find cvs, and play with it, i'll see about putting up a server, not that we prolly need yet another one (; |
| 15:57:05 | firegod | captain_proton.. ahhah |
| 15:57:20 | Chestal | proton: lagstats are quite useful IMHO, gives you an estimate about round trip times |
| 15:57:54 | captain_proton | round trip from that person to the server |
| 15:58:07 | Chestal | low latency is more important for bzs than bandwidth anyway. Of course if the bandwidth isn't big enough, latency will approach infinity :-) |
| 15:58:11 | captain_proton | and its a running average so one bad ping can hold the stats down for a long time |
| 15:58:38 | Chestal | proton: well, yes, you'll always have that problem |
| 15:58:43 | firegod | i was kicked last night for a ping of ~340 |
| 15:58:49 | Chestal | proton: that's in the nature of avergaing |
| 15:58:51 | captain_proton | thats annoying |
| 15:58:54 | Chestal | averaging, even |
| 15:59:09 | Chestal | I do not use the /lagkick feature on my server |
| 15:59:26 | captain_proton | no - its too strict |
| 15:59:46 | captain_proton | looks into buying another set of speakers just like the ones he has |
| 16:00:17 | firegod | okay, so i've looked at sourceforge, and the pages dont mention the cvs line.. |
| 16:00:31 | firegod | i imagine it's the standard sf one, but... still. |
| 16:02:06 | Chestal | it's there on the CVS page of bzflag |
| 16:02:21 | Chestal | saw it two days ago, I don't think it's gone :-) |
| 16:02:31 | captain_proton | oh my god |
| 16:02:42 | captain_proton | the RIAA wants the right to hack into people's computers and delete mp3s |
| 16:03:01 | firegod | hmm, bzflag.sf didnt take me there, but sf/projects/bzflag does. |
| 16:03:17 | firegod | captain_proton.. it's all going down the flusher |
| 16:03:26 | Chestal | ah, I always use projects/bzflag |
| 16:03:28 | firegod | is there a mac OS X version of bzflag yet? |
| 16:03:32 | captain_proton | i would be really pissed if they deleted my mp3s... |
| 16:03:42 | firegod | Chestal.. i only found it linked on your bzflag.org site in the news section |
| 16:03:44 | captain_proton | considering the fact that they are all ripped from cd's i own |
| 16:03:59 | Chestal | firegod: it's not my site, it's Tim's |
| 16:04:07 | Chestal | proton: the RIAA is out of their mind |
| 16:04:13 | firegod | s/your/the/ |
| 16:04:30 | firegod | no, they are backed by The Industry |
| 16:04:39 | Chestal | hmm, these tab subwindows in mozilla are nifty |
| 16:05:07 | Chestal | the music industry is insane, too |
| 16:05:10 | captain_proton | moz 0.9.5? |
| 16:05:26 | Chestal | nearly, amuisng mozilla cvs |
| 16:05:39 | captain_proton | yeah, tabs are really nice |
| 16:05:49 | captain_proton | i'm thinking about installing the gesture addition |
| 16:06:03 | Chestal | still, mozillacould be a lot more stable and a lot faster |
| 16:06:15 | Chestal | it's a real hog |
| 16:06:37 | captain_proton | yeah - i think once they get past the next couple releases (fixing the crash bugs) they're going to concentrate on speed |
| 16:07:07 | firegod | if they're still employed |
| 16:07:42 | captain_proton | I *really* like the dynamic installation stuff for mozilla |
| 16:08:13 | Chestal | hmm, that never worked for me |
| 16:08:25 | Chestal | I always had a hard time to work around the bugs in that |
| 16:09:01 | captain_proton | ooh the gestures work nice :) |
| 16:09:59 | firegod | hmm, so INSTALL says run the configure script.. which doesnt exist. autoconf would make it, but there is no configure.in |
| 16:10:29 | captain_proton | firegod: what are you building? |
| 16:10:35 | firegod | bzflag |
| 16:12:03 | Chestal | what did you try? it's not using autoconf |
| 16:12:06 | Chestal | just type make |
| 16:12:14 | firegod | cvs |
| 16:12:17 | captain_proton | it really should use autoconf |
| 16:12:19 | firegod | I didnt try anything, i read the INSTALL text. |
| 16:12:25 | Chestal | proton: I think it's on the todo list |
| 16:12:25 | captain_proton | maybe i'll do that |
| 16:12:28 | firegod | after cvs co'ing bzflag |
| 16:12:35 | Chestal | ah, forget INSTALL, that's buggy |
| 16:12:40 | firegod | okay.. |
| 16:12:52 | Chestal | INSTALL ist just the default autoconf text, don't know why it's there at all |
| 16:13:59 | captain_proton | likes mozdev.org |
| 16:14:08 | firegod | bzfs.cxx:377: warning: overflow on truncation to unsigned integer |
| 16:15:24 | firegod | make package, what type of package does it make? |
| 16:15:50 | Chestal | that's a bug, I thought it was fixed in current CVS |
| 16:15:56 | Chestal | better fix it or nemesis feature won't work |
| 16:16:09 | firegod | sighs |
| 16:16:15 | Chestal | use maxlagwarn = INT_MAX or some other large number |
| 16:16:21 | firegod | ah, rpm packages.. not useful to me. |
| 16:16:32 | Chestal | I don't know about make package, never tried that |
| 16:16:40 | firegod | it tries to make rpms |
| 16:16:54 | Chestal | I'm using it right from the source directory |
| 16:17:02 | firegod | mmm |
| 16:17:06 | Chestal | like ; cd bzflag ; bin/bzflag |
| 16:17:25 | Chestal | only useful thign to do anyway, when you work with the code |
| 16:20:11 | firegod | i guess you'd normally clean it up for release. |
| 16:20:46 | Chestal | well, releases are something different. Iy you want a relase, don't grab CVS ;-) |
| 16:20:58 | Chestal | 1.7e2 is ok for nearly every1 |
| 16:21:09 | firegod | maxlagwarn was set to (int)Infinity |
| 16:21:43 | firegod | idealistically, youd want cvs to build/install just like the real thing. |
| 16:22:00 | Chestal | well, it will do |
| 16:22:08 | Chestal | but it might contain more bugs |
| 16:22:31 | Chestal | this maxlagwarn thing is just a bug introduced after the latest release |
| 16:22:40 | firegod | i set it to INT_MAX |
| 16:23:04 | Chestal | so did I. Do you know whether INT_MAX is standard? |
| 16:23:15 | firegod | dunno |
| 16:25:08 | firegod | how long does it take you to compile, on what hw? |
| 16:25:38 | firegod | nm |
| 16:27:34 | Chestal | a full make? dunno |
| 16:27:42 | Chestal | want me to try? |
| 16:27:45 | firegod | naw |
| 16:27:58 | Chestal | it doesn't take that long |
| 16:28:00 | firegod | is there yet a way to free the mouse cursor? |
| 16:28:12 | firegod | i run bz in a window |
| 16:28:33 | firegod | i hate quiting, just to read a message |
| 16:28:50 | firegod | there was talk earlier of supporting that better |
| 16:29:03 | Chestal | pausing worked for me when I tried it |
| 16:29:59 | firegod | how do you pause? |
| 16:30:06 | firegod | lagstats doesnt give me anything useful. |
| 16:30:38 | Chestal | press 'P' when driving around |
| 16:30:57 | Chestal | problem with lagstats is that it has to be a hack |
| 16:31:20 | Chestal | it needs some probe values, it gets them whenever you shoot someone (not yourself) |
| 16:32:02 | Chestal | it's a server only solution, I worked hard to get it running. We might do a betetr solutin by changign the client in future versions |
| 16:32:17 | Chestal | of course problem with that attempt is that you won't get lagstats for older clients than |
| 16:32:44 | captain_proton | older clients shouldn't be playing on a server with a new protocol |
| 16:32:51 | firegod | exactly. |
| 16:33:02 | firegod | you have to choose your compatibility break points. |
| 16:33:15 | captain_proton | i'm pushing to change at least some of the protocol to xml |
| 16:34:05 | firegod | with some kind of runlength compression i hope |
| 16:34:14 | captain_proton | probably LZS |
| 16:34:17 | Chestal | hmm, I don't know whether xml is a good idea |
| 16:34:29 | Chestal | I'm no big fan of XML anyway, might be the hype |
| 16:34:53 | captain_proton | i'm also thinking that dynamic map changing would be great |
| 16:34:58 | Chestal | xml would take too much stress on the serevr IMHO |
| 16:35:08 | firegod | it provides a way to structure information, where most have a problem designing the structure properly. |
| 16:35:12 | Chestal | you can run bzfs on a really old machien right now |
| 16:35:39 | captain_proton | Chestal: it wouldn't be used for game-time communication, just for the handshaking/world-downloading stuff when somebody joins |
| 16:35:40 | Chestal | but xml is sloooow |
| 16:35:51 | captain_proton | no its not... |
| 16:36:02 | Chestal | it;s at least 100 times slwoer than the current format |
| 16:36:07 | Chestal | xml has to be parsed |
| 16:36:36 | captain_proton | true |
| 16:36:42 | captain_proton | but thats a linear algorithm |
| 16:37:41 | Chestal | but back to lagstats: when I implemented it I wanted to have a way to estimate lag of different players |
| 16:38:10 | Chestal | if I had chosen a version which required new clients, I still won't be able to see lag of some people, and that's 8 months or so later |
| 17:06:09 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 17:20:59 | firegod | i hate cheaters |
| 17:21:10 | firegod | i can NOT kill this Pflazer guy. |
| 17:21:18 | firegod | i'm not alone. |
| 17:21:39 | firegod | on game 128.180.3.11 |
| 17:23:09 | Chestal | on every good server /kick should be enabled with sveral people knowing the password |
| 17:23:53 | firegod | also, sometimes I cant get a server list, i have to quit the game and restart to get the list. |
| 17:24:04 | firegod | had a timeout connecting to a server, then tried to relist, nada |
| 17:25:11 | Chestal | hmm, there used to be a bug related to that timeout, thought it had been fixed |
| 17:25:21 | Chestal | I'm not usign the server lsit that often myself |
| 18:03:16 | firegod | you dont play? (: |
| 18:08:18 | firegod | is the font system functional enough to change the color of text depending on background color. light grey on cyan really sucks for reading |
| 18:36:48 | captain_proton | i think the font system should be redone |
| 18:49:36 | Chestal | firegod: I always play on ducati :-) |
| 18:53:56 | Chestal | TIm: are you there? |
| 19:05:52 | firegod | too.. much.. bzflag.. |
| 19:05:55 | firegod | eyes cant focus |
| 19:07:11 | captain_proton | lol |
| 19:14:16 | BZFlag | here, congrats on the tournament. |
| 19:19:17 | Chestal | thanks Tim |
| 19:23:42 | captain_proton | BZFlag: any progress towards the next release? |
| 19:40:19 | BZFlag | not this weekend. spent my free time working on the tuxscreen touchscreen driver and reading lord of the rings. |
| 19:41:57 | captain_proton | sounds fun |
| 19:42:10 | captain_proton | you spend your free time working? (do you have a job other than tuxscreen?) |
| 19:45:50 | Chestal | BZFlag: there are still 3 of my patches pending to be integrated in CVS :-) |
| 19:47:02 | Chestal | BZFlag: btw., some people (incuding me)do not like the coloured bullets on radar, makes them hard to see for me. Maybe they should be optional? |
| 19:53:36 | BZFlag | Chestal: you tried the shots as lines patch? I'm thinking of adding that one. |
| 19:56:05 | Chestal | nope, didn't try that |
| 19:56:40 | Chestal | but it probably won't be that good for me playing at only 800x600 |
| 19:56:59 | Chestal | a single pixel is good enough for me, lines might be better for peopel playing at high resolutions, though |
| 19:57:10 | Chestal | maybe these things should be optional via config file |
| 20:04:18 | BZFlag | Chestal: it would only be2 or three pixels, but I think it will make a big difference. |
| 20:06:01 | Chestal | heh, my radar isn't much bigger than 3 pixels ;-) |
| 20:09:58 | BZFlag | we now have tank and radar colors for each team. we could add text color as well, and others if you can think them up. |
| 20:10:35 | BZFlag | patches welcome as always. ;-) |
| 20:11:05 | firegod | heh |
| 20:11:13 | firegod | still hoping for a shotgun flag |
| 20:11:24 | firegod | shoots 3 spread shots |
| 20:11:36 | firegod | medium decay distance |
| 20:11:58 | firegod | replace the machine gun |
| 20:16:12 | firegod | how do I run a dedicated server? non-local, so.. nongraphical setup. |
| 20:27:59 | firegod | found it |
| 20:31:13 | BZFlag | public text should contain admin email address. a future release will have a special field for that and it will be required, but not published. |
| 20:31:48 | Chestal | bzflag: we should adda clean observer mode to future releases |
| 20:32:11 | Chestal | bzflag: Blaster suggested an Observer relay that logs in to the server and observers log in to the relay only |
| 20:32:37 | BZFlag | I suggested the same. ;-) |
| 20:32:59 | Chestal | but I guess it would be easiest to just use the special player type there already is and suppress some messages in the client + server |
| 20:33:08 | firegod | hmm, running bzfs, and connecting to it, i get "accept() from 192.168.66.41:32814 on 8 |
| 20:33:09 | Chestal | that should be fairly easy |
| 20:33:14 | firegod | then it appears to lock the client |
| 20:33:39 | Chestal | there woudl have to be additional changes to the server, currently the max number of players is implemented by limiting the player slots, we woudl have maxplayers and maxobservers then |
| 20:36:45 | firegod | last thing the client gives is "Loading title..." |
| 20:37:01 | firegod | blank view window, 100% cpu usage. |
| 20:39:45 | Chestal | only when connecting to your local server? |
| 20:40:20 | firegod | yup |
| 20:40:27 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:40:46 | Chestal | try misc/bzfquery <servername/ip> |
| 20:40:51 | Chestal | try misc/bzfquery.pl that is |
| 20:42:01 | firegod | that worked |
| 20:42:10 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:44:23 | Chestal | I have noidea, maybe you can try and experiment with -interface options on client and server |
| 20:44:36 | firegod | did that |
| 20:44:47 | firegod | if I connect to the wrong interface, the client wont find a server |
| 20:45:10 | firegod | saba.analogself.com |
| 20:45:20 | firegod | try it. i dare ya (; |
| 20:46:15 | firegod | it shows up in the server browser |
| 20:46:27 | firegod | but times out on connecting |
| 20:48:16 | Chestal | I'll try |
| 20:48:49 | Chestal | yep, same here |
| 20:49:06 | firegod | wierd |
| 20:49:20 | firegod | what are required parameters? |
| 20:49:56 | Chestal | none, really |
| 20:50:14 | firegod | hmph |
| 20:51:44 | captain_proton | returns |
| 20:52:39 | Chestal | firegod: strange |
| 20:53:37 | firegod | i can see all the accept() trys |
| 20:54:52 | firegod | but no joy |
| 20:56:11 | firegod | my commandline is: |
| 20:56:19 | firegod | bzfs -i eth0 +f GM -b -h -mp 10 -ms 4 -public "Welcome To Oz" -q -r -requireudp -t -lagwarn 1000 -lagdrop 1 |
| 20:56:39 | Chestal | I think it hangs while transmitting worl ddescription |
| 20:57:00 | firegod | there :is: a default world, right? |
| 20:57:00 | captain_proton | hangs on linux? |
| 20:57:06 | firegod | yup, linux i386 |
| 20:57:09 | Chestal | firegod: it will be randomly created |
| 20:57:17 | firegod | dual p2 233mhz |
| 20:57:19 | captain_proton | oh - just a default world? |
| 20:57:45 | firegod | fresh cvs compile |
| 20:57:47 | firegod | nothing added |
| 20:58:02 | firegod | running as user, not root. |
| 20:58:16 | Chestal | hi Fant |
| 20:58:25 | FantaZee | hi all |
| 20:58:37 | FantaZee | nice tournament on sat |
| 20:59:14 | FantaZee | sorry that it was was able for me to play round 3 |
| 20:59:22 | Chestal | yes, that's sad |
| 20:59:33 | Chestal | I wasn't able to play round 3, either :-| |
| 20:59:56 | FantaZee | lucky for them |
| 21:00:05 | Chestal | hmm, client hangs on sceneBuilder->make |
| 21:00:06 | FantaZee | hehe |
| 21:01:20 | captain_proton | BZFlag: were you at some point working on a new HUD? |
| 21:04:04 | Chestal | firegod: which compiler are you using? |
| 21:04:09 | firegod | um |
| 21:04:17 | firegod | it's a redhat box |
| 21:04:19 | firegod | lesse |
| 21:04:45 | firegod | gcc 2.96 |
| 21:04:57 | FantaZee | i'll go for an hour to ducati, see u later |
| 21:04:59 | Chestal | hmm, redhat shipped with a buggy gcc |
| 21:05:03 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I have done some tests on HUD, but nothing in cvs at this point. |
| 21:05:06 | Chestal | firegod: try to remove teleporters from server |
| 21:05:11 | Chestal | firegod remove -t I guess |
| 21:05:22 | firegod | hmm |
| 21:05:23 | firegod | k |
| 21:05:27 | BZFlag | I've been playing with some HUD patches that will map over the display like the 2501 screen shots. |
| 21:05:41 | captain_proton | goes to look at the 2501 ss |
| 21:05:55 | BZFlag | I had a really hacked up rear view mirror working at one point. |
| 21:06:19 | BZFlag | under DEBUG the 3 view mode now does 4 views. ;-) |
| 21:07:16 | captain_proton | i've been thinking about redoing the HUD... |
| 21:08:35 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I don't want to loose stereo or 3 view support. feel free to add a "new view" mode though. |
| 21:09:12 | captain_proton | i'm just thinking about standard 1-screen mode |
| 21:10:08 | firegod | well that's just odd |
| 21:10:16 | firegod | Chestal.. quit odd |
| 21:10:17 | Chestal | firegod: ry and start bzfs without options |
| 21:10:35 | firegod | Chestal.. it also tells me to reconnect, after enabling udp, which i have enabled. |
| 21:11:20 | firegod | openMulticast: Can't get address of eth0 |
| 21:11:21 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yes, add a "-view captain_proton" or something that will be a new 1 view. |
| 21:12:09 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:13:25 | Chestal | firegod: somethign is really messed up |
| 21:13:35 | firegod | i second that |
| 21:14:13 | Chestal | as if world data is either corrupted in the server or is not being transmitted in the correct way |
| 21:16:59 | Chestal | you could try an drecompile bzfs without optimization; I'm running out of ideas |
| 21:17:45 | firegod | salright, was planning on replacing that box anyhow |
| 21:17:50 | firegod | not sure the new one will handle the load however |
| 21:17:59 | firegod | pentium 133 d-: |
| 21:21:39 | Chestal | you don't need a fast CPU for bzfs |
| 21:21:46 | Chestal | ducati is a P-75 |
| 21:22:25 | BZFlag | did you try -i <server ip address> ? |
| 21:22:57 | firegod | as client? or on server? |
| 21:23:21 | BZFlag | on bzfs |
| 21:23:48 | firegod | we can connect, but the world is.. wrong. |
| 21:24:18 | firegod | i was using -i <interface> |
| 21:32:19 | Chestal | BZFlag: the world is a total mess |
| 21:32:45 | Chestal | BZFlag: I remember redhat shipping with a buggy gcc once, so I thogh tit might be that |
| 21:33:04 | Chestal | firegod: I woudl try turning optimizatins of for compiling bzfs |
| 21:33:20 | captain_proton | redhat's buggy gcc didn't interfere with bzflag |
| 21:33:34 | Chestal | hmm |
| 21:37:50 | BZFlag | Chestal: no idea on that one. |
| 21:38:30 | Chestal | me neither |
| 21:38:56 | Chestal | well, I'm going home, cu |
| 21:39:10 | firegod | ciao |
| 21:47:39 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 10:30:23) |
| 21:56:37 | lupinator | did you know how tricky it is to reassemble a mouse? |
| 21:56:55 | vogon_jeltz | heheh |
| 21:56:58 | vogon_jeltz | no, I did not |
| 21:57:21 | lupinator | there was a little spring inside |
| 21:57:56 | vogon_jeltz | for the buttons :) |
| 21:58:09 | lupinator | clumsy as i am the spring flew across my desk somewhere to nirvana between my desk and the heating |
| 21:58:13 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 21:58:35 | vogon_jeltz | it's with all of your lost socks :) |
| 21:59:26 | lupinator | unfortunatly the spring took antoher part with it |
| 21:59:46 | vogon_jeltz | oof |
| 22:03:42 | lupinator | uwah somebody should clean this corner |
| 22:06:30 | lupinator | sweet |
| 22:06:48 | lupinator | i found the spring and a nice screwdriver |
| 22:07:20 | vogon_jeltz | heheh... cool |
| 22:07:49 | vogon_jeltz | j00 0wn dat spring |
| 22:08:26 | lupinator | th damn lever is still hiding |
| 22:20:19 | lupinator | looks like i have to drop flags with space from now on |
| 22:20:41 | vogon_jeltz | what, your middle mouse button's borken? |
| 22:21:12 | vogon_jeltz | 0wnz a 1337 optical mouse :D |
| 22:23:04 | lupinator | this little mouse button is prety tricky. there are two levers, one to hold up the wheel, one to pusch the middle butto. they are connected with this small spring |
| 22:23:34 | vogon_jeltz | hehe... sounds evil |
| 22:24:30 | lupinator | nah who needs a mouse anyway? |
| 22:53:12 | velo | hey chestal, what kind of frame rate you get in bzflag? |
| 23:46:41 | firegod | i've played bz all day.. good god |
| 23:47:13 | vogon_jeltz | http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/ |
| 23:47:15 | vogon_jeltz | read |
