| 03:11:00 | firegod | if you dont have a stevens book, you should. |
| 03:11:07 | firegod | Richard Stevens |
| 03:11:12 | firegod | amazon has it. |
| 03:11:55 | firegod | Unix: Network Programming |
| 04:07:01 | firegod | speaking of trust metric, have you guys read advogato's whitepaper? |
| 04:07:15 | vogon_jeltz | no, and I don't plan to ;) |
| 04:07:41 | firegod | http://www.advogato.com/trust-metric.html |
| 04:08:54 | firegod | and I dont think karma should be valued, based on game skill, but on quality/reliability of connection. |
| 04:08:56 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I'm there now |
| 04:09:09 | vogon_jeltz | firegod: you say that only because your connection 0wnz |
| 04:09:12 | firegod | if you timeout alot, you dont get to play with those who have regular latency |
| 04:09:35 | firegod | you have to, if you want gaming to be fair |
| 04:10:02 | vogon_jeltz | if anything, the laggers would be at a disadvantage |
| 04:10:10 | firegod | you can always limit everyone based on the lower quality of connection |
| 04:10:45 | firegod | not to say that lag would be the only measure of karma |
| 04:11:08 | vogon_jeltz | firegod, high lag is a disadvantage... to give laggers lower karma would be punishing them twice |
| 04:11:19 | firegod | regular lag is fine, well behaved connections should be higher karma than less reliable connections. |
| 04:11:30 | firegod | sequence numbers should at least be added to udp packets |
| 04:11:41 | vogon_jeltz | the lag on a player is equal to the ping from them to the server + the ping from the server to another person |
| 04:12:45 | vogon_jeltz | well, actually, it's the ping from them to the server + the smallest ping of anyone playing |
| 04:13:01 | vogon_jeltz | thus, for higher-ping people, it's harder to score kills |
| 04:13:02 | firegod | vogon_jeltz.. but you get what I mean.. several methods for valuing the connection behavior. |
| 04:13:24 | vogon_jeltz | because all MsgKilleds are propagated from the lowest-ping box on the network |
| 04:13:45 | firegod | hmm, so youre saying cheaters are only clean, high bandwidth, low latency connections? |
| 04:13:51 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:13:54 | vogon_jeltz | no, cheaters cheat |
| 04:14:19 | vogon_jeltz | and not sending MsgKilleds from your box doesn't guarantee that neither the server nor another box will pick up on your death |
| 04:14:53 | vogon_jeltz | (if you get hit by another shot from their temporal point of view, they propagate the MsgKilled) |
| 04:15:18 | firegod | hmm, i dont suppose anyone has writen down their thoughts as to what the gzflag protocol should look like |
| 04:15:23 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:15:26 | vogon_jeltz | it's on bzflag.org |
| 04:15:37 | iLLf8d | gz? heh |
| 04:15:43 | vogon_jeltz | click developers in the cross-menu, then networking in the down-menu, then protocol in the cross-menu |
| 04:16:09 | firegod | well, i at least will note that karma should not be related to how well you play.. that is ranking. |
| 04:16:10 | vogon_jeltz | gzflag - it's GPL compression fun :) |
| 04:16:20 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 04:16:36 | iLLf8d | hey can you tell me what the rotation factors are in the mapping? |
| 04:16:44 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: radians |
| 04:16:47 | iLLf8d | I put in 180 and it only moved it 45deg |
| 04:16:54 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 04:17:03 | iLLf8d | I don't recall how many radians to a circle? |
| 04:17:08 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: 2*pi |
| 04:17:11 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 04:17:12 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 04:17:13 | iLLf8d | thanks |
| 04:17:15 | vogon_jeltz | np |
| 04:17:38 | iLLf8d | that explains it |
| 04:18:52 | iLLf8d | hmm i'm finding alot of features people just aren't using in their maps |
| 04:19:06 | iLLf8d | the fractional parts of the map suck though heh |
| 04:19:26 | iLLf8d | e to the 6 decimal points or whatever |
| 04:19:27 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 04:19:29 | iLLf8d | man that blows |
| 04:21:34 | firegod | bzflag run on netbsd? |
| 04:21:46 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 04:21:58 | vogon_jeltz | well, it's not supported, anyway |
| 04:22:01 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 04:22:21 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 04:24:45 | firegod | hmm, the old p1-133 is getting netbsd right this moment.. |
| 04:26:16 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't like the BSD licensing scheme |
| 04:26:41 | iLLf8d | yeah MS has a much better one |
| 04:26:43 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 04:26:46 | iLLf8d | muwahaha |
| 04:27:04 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:27:08 | vogon_jeltz | I prefer the GPL/LGPL |
| 04:27:49 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 04:28:41 | vogon_jeltz | I also think communism'd work, if only people didn't suck so much |
| 04:28:49 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:29:04 | iLLf8d | yeah it probably would, just not in human nature |
| 04:29:15 | iLLf8d | we're a world of users |
| 04:29:36 | vogon_jeltz | http://cube.ign.com/news/39162.html <--- ahahahaha |
| 04:35:46 | firegod | whats to prevent my client from telling the server i shot everyone? |
| 04:35:53 | firegod | currently |
| 04:35:55 | vogon_jeltz | nothing |
| 04:36:25 | iLLf8d | that controller rocks |
| 04:36:27 | iLLf8d | I want 2 |
| 04:36:29 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:36:30 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 04:36:35 | iLLf8d | jjk |
| 04:36:53 | iLLf8d | hey don't give away secrets |
| 04:37:03 | iLLf8d | how do you think i break 200 |
| 04:37:08 | firegod | does the client do any simple math, like not tell anyone outside it's shot range, it's position? |
| 04:37:10 | iLLf8d | jjk |
| 04:39:05 | firegod | or some defined max_radar_distance? |
| 04:39:19 | firegod | could make the map/more players that way i would think... |
| 04:39:22 | firegod | perhaps. |
| 04:39:48 | firegod | s/map/map bigger/ |
| 04:44:21 | firegod | ya know, with a gps, and an ipaq.. you could play bzflag in a football field. |
| 04:44:42 | firegod | naw, it doesnt have enough resolution. |
| 04:45:15 | firegod | mumbles off channel |
| 04:46:42 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 05:09:47 | captain_proton | returns |
| 05:11:14 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: wb |
| 05:15:37 | captain_proton | hi |
| 05:15:42 | captain_proton | we have water again :) |
| 05:16:39 | vogon_jeltz | cool beans |
| 05:17:37 | captain_proton | i am so screwed |
| 05:17:57 | iLLf8d | hey all |
| 05:18:10 | iLLf8d | anyone know how I specify 100 high speed super flags? |
| 05:18:13 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: screwed, or *so* screwed |
| 05:18:15 | iLLf8d | +s 100 |
| 05:18:19 | captain_proton | *so* screwed |
| 05:18:23 | iLLf8d | but how do I tell it superflags only? |
| 05:18:28 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: yes, but you'll have to kill me |
| 05:18:32 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 05:18:41 | iLLf8d | dude I need it so I can run around my map faster |
| 05:18:45 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: wait... "yes, but I'll have to kill you" |
| 05:18:45 | iLLf8d | shit taking forever heh |
| 05:18:58 | iLLf8d | I'm trying to line up walls |
| 05:19:11 | iLLf8d | I see the setting for flags |
| 05:19:18 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: what do you mean 'finding features people aren't using in their maps'? |
| 05:19:18 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... bzfs +f V +f V +f V +f V... |
| 05:19:21 | iLLf8d | doesn't mention where to specify flag type in -H |
| 05:19:42 | iLLf8d | ok I gotcha |
| 05:19:44 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: bzfs, then "+f V " 100 times |
| 05:19:48 | iLLf8d | so I need to make the rest 0 hmm |
| 05:19:53 | captain_proton | set i = 0 |
| 05:20:08 | iLLf8d | cap huh? |
| 05:20:09 | captain_proton | while "$i" < "100" |
| 05:20:10 | captain_proton | do |
| 05:20:21 | captain_proton | set s = "$s +f V" |
| 05:20:22 | captain_proton | end |
| 05:20:26 | vogon_jeltz | hahahah |
| 05:20:28 | captain_proton | bzfs $s |
| 05:20:48 | iLLf8d | is there a way to increase tank speed in the code? |
| 05:20:57 | iLLf8d | I just need a fast tank so I can run around my map faster |
| 05:21:01 | captain_proton | yeah, but all clients need to have the modification |
| 05:21:06 | iLLf8d | takes forever and always puts you in where you don't want to be |
| 05:21:16 | iLLf8d | it'll be one client only |
| 05:21:21 | iLLf8d | just for me to line shit up |
| 05:21:32 | iLLf8d | bzedit is nice but wish it had snapto settings heh |
| 05:21:32 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: what do you mean 'finding features people aren't using in their maps'? |
| 05:21:35 | iLLf8d | is very demanding |
| 05:22:10 | iLLf8d | I meant like making cielings like ducts in which to run around only tank height |
| 05:22:12 | iLLf8d | etc... |
| 05:22:18 | iLLf8d | ceilings I mean |
| 05:22:28 | iLLf8d | things like |
| 05:22:47 | iLLf8d | like the twin tower field |
| 05:22:51 | iLLf8d | the one with all the stairs |
| 05:23:08 | iLLf8d | they should have it setup so that you can't get to the second shelve |
| 05:23:11 | iLLf8d | the lower one |
| 05:23:26 | iLLf8d | unless you run off the edge of building and fall down to a miniscule ledge |
| 05:23:45 | iLLf8d | or set it up so you can beat someone there from a high transporter drop so you can pick them off |
| 05:23:54 | iLLf8d | by using a tiny ledge |
| 05:24:17 | iLLf8d | doesn't know if this comes through properly in type without me getting all 3d in my descriptions (too much work) |
| 05:24:37 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 05:24:47 | captain_proton | if you want to change up twintowers talk to vogon_jeltz |
| 05:24:51 | iLLf8d | I made fake floors |
| 05:24:56 | vogon_jeltz | heh... you can get to the lower level |
| 05:25:07 | iLLf8d | thats what I mean make it so you can't |
| 05:25:09 | captain_proton | fake floors is a gerbil favorite |
| 05:25:14 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:25:21 | iLLf8d | then have people watching others figure out to drop off edge slow |
| 05:25:29 | iLLf8d | and fall onto a ledge thats .1 in width |
| 05:25:41 | iLLf8d | then against wall sneak onto shelve |
| 05:25:46 | iLLf8d | really evil things like that |
| 05:25:56 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: have you seen 'ballpark'? |
| 05:25:56 | iLLf8d | I plan to make a transparently evil map |
| 05:26:02 | captain_proton | hi tim |
| 05:26:02 | iLLf8d | so everyones trying everything =) |
| 05:26:08 | iLLf8d | not sure |
| 05:26:16 | iLLf8d | I just made a really cool shelve |
| 05:26:24 | iLLf8d | has a bunch of pass throughs where you can't see them |
| 05:26:35 | iLLf8d | 0 width floor/cieling box |
| 05:26:44 | iLLf8d | so they look solid but aren't |
| 05:26:55 | iLLf8d | some areas have widths you can jump into |
| 05:27:03 | iLLf8d | and pop out enough w/out passthrough to shoot |
| 05:27:13 | iLLf8d | others are too wide so the bullet doesn't make it through |
| 05:27:27 | iLLf8d | you know what I mean like when you jump into a ceiling and can shoot through on the floor? |
| 05:27:34 | captain_proton | yes |
| 05:27:39 | iLLf8d | their 50 50 |
| 05:27:46 | iLLf8d | so some areas you can fire others you can't |
| 05:27:49 | iLLf8d | and you can't see it |
| 05:27:50 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 05:27:56 | iLLf8d | gonna be a booby trap style field |
| 05:28:11 | vogon_jeltz | wonders if he ever fixed the respawn-under-buildings stuff and the flag-respawn-on-buildings stuff |
| 05:28:24 | captain_proton | no you didn't |
| 05:28:25 | iLLf8d | is rambling done =) |
| 05:28:35 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I did fix it, but it's not posted yet ;) |
| 05:28:52 | captain_proton | can you add flags on bases to bzfs? |
| 05:28:58 | iLLf8d | make a patch so you can have flags on sides of buildings up high =P |
| 05:29:06 | iLLf8d | that way you have to jump to get them |
| 05:29:19 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: heh... you can't get flags in mid-air presently |
| 05:29:22 | captain_proton | ooh like hanging off the wall at a 45 degree angle... |
| 05:29:25 | captain_proton | that would be *sweet* |
| 05:29:33 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: not gonna happen |
| 05:29:38 | iLLf8d | or making a basketball style loop |
| 05:29:40 | captain_proton | which? |
| 05:29:47 | iLLf8d | or a ring like a tiger jumps through |
| 05:29:53 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the "hanging off the wall at a 45 degree angle) |
| 05:29:58 | iLLf8d | have like gm materialize there =P |
| 05:30:03 | vogon_jeltz | s/)/" |
| 05:30:25 | captain_proton | ohhh |
| 05:30:29 | captain_proton | what about for 1.8 or 2.0? |
| 05:31:04 | vogon_jeltz | heh... to do that, you'd have to get *real* collision detection and I'd have to implement a "how high is too high?" heuristic |
| 05:31:24 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: you the bzedit creator? |
| 05:31:33 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: yes, he is |
| 05:31:45 | iLLf8d | how difficult would a mirror feature be? |
| 05:31:52 | captain_proton | wait a sec...looks like bzfs already has the base stuff |
| 05:31:56 | iLLf8d | so you can work on half or one quandrant and tell it to mirror? |
| 05:32:13 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: it's called better living through GPM |
| 05:32:16 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 05:32:23 | captain_proton | yeah...i'll get that done Real Soon Now |
| 05:32:32 | iLLf8d | gpm? |
| 05:32:40 | vogon_jeltz | the console mouse server |
| 05:32:44 | iLLf8d | oh heh |
| 05:33:03 | iLLf8d | hmm perhaps I can make one |
| 05:33:11 | captain_proton | a mirror featureA? |
| 05:33:15 | iLLf8d | a script to do it afterwards |
| 05:33:17 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 05:33:30 | iLLf8d | so you make one quadrant of the field |
| 05:33:42 | captain_proton | i was hoping to one day build a scripting engine into bzedit (ala the gimp) |
| 05:33:43 | iLLf8d | and it makes the other 4 and/or mirrors them |
| 05:34:20 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:34:31 | iLLf8d | the math part sucks though |
| 05:34:37 | BZFlag | I thought about a world from file mode for CTF worlds where you only define one quadrant. |
| 05:34:38 | captain_proton | not really |
| 05:34:41 | iLLf8d | has to be real out to how many digits |
| 05:34:54 | captain_proton | float |
| 05:35:30 | captain_proton | sounds interesting BZFlag |
| 05:35:46 | captain_proton | but if someone writes a mirror script its kinda useless |
| 05:36:18 | captain_proton | actually mirroring across x and y is easy |
| 05:36:22 | captain_proton | just mess with signs |
| 05:36:33 | iLLf8d | but it has to reverse too |
| 05:36:33 | captain_proton | its mirroring against an arbitrary axis where it gets ugly |
| 05:36:49 | iLLf8d | so if I have a building shaped like a bench |
| 05:36:50 | captain_proton | mirror pos/size |
| 05:36:54 | iLLf8d | the back is on the right size |
| 05:36:55 | captain_proton | wait |
| 05:36:57 | iLLf8d | side |
| 05:36:57 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 05:36:59 | captain_proton | flip signs on pos and size |
| 05:37:00 | BZFlag | you will notice that "random" height buildings in CTF games are done that way. |
| 05:37:08 | captain_proton | then convert the angle |
| 05:37:13 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:37:26 | captain_proton | angle = pi - angle |
| 05:37:35 | captain_proton | whoops |
| 05:37:38 | captain_proton | angle = |pi - angle| |
| 05:37:38 | iLLf8d | I'm just wondering if it will be quicker to script or quicker to build the world |
| 05:37:40 | BZFlag | check rikers.org:5155 which should be setup that way. |
| 05:37:51 | iLLf8d | for the first one the world would be faster for multiple maps the script would be key |
| 05:38:03 | BZFlag | angles in worldfiles are in degrees now. |
| 05:38:12 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 05:38:14 | captain_proton | only for cvs |
| 05:38:17 | iLLf8d | I noticed |
| 05:38:25 | BZFlag | heh, next release will be that way. |
| 05:38:25 | iLLf8d | I thought it was radians someone mentioned that |
| 05:38:42 | BZFlag | it was radians. it's degrees in CVS and in the next release. |
| 05:38:44 | captain_proton | current release = radians; future releases = degrees |
| 05:39:08 | captain_proton | well i have to go to sleep |
| 05:39:09 | iLLf8d | forgot about radians along time ago heh |
| 05:39:13 | captain_proton | early morning tomorrow |
| 05:39:18 | captain_proton | goodnight everyone |
| 05:39:23 | iLLf8d | night |
| 05:39:26 | iLLf8d | cap |
| 05:39:31 | iLLf8d | thanks for the work on bzedit |
| 05:39:34 | iLLf8d | quite cool =) |
| 05:39:45 | iLLf8d | and everyone thanks for the work on bzflag =) |
| 05:40:54 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: nn |
| 06:35:56 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching Conan... if you need to bother me, telepathically message me... telepathy doesn't work, and on the off chance it does, I'll begin ignoring it right away |
| 07:40:44 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 01:04:48) |
| 08:33:43 | vogon_jeltz | anybody wanna give me a w00t? |
| 09:05:24 | Chestal | tag! |
| 09:05:36 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:05:39 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 09:09:49 | iLLf8d | hey |
| 09:09:51 | iLLf8d | you up |
| 09:10:04 | iLLf8d | I just thought of something awesome that bzflag needs |
| 09:10:11 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 09:10:14 | vogon_jeltz | I'm listening |
| 09:10:14 | iLLf8d | a moarter |
| 09:10:20 | vogon_jeltz | hahahaha |
| 09:10:32 | iLLf8d | you shoot it comes out like a bullet but drops with gravity |
| 09:10:40 | iLLf8d | so when you're up above =) |
| 09:10:49 | vogon_jeltz | if you hadn't noticed, a) Tim already came up with it, and b) we'd need to *seriously* break the protocol to do it |
| 09:10:51 | iLLf8d | maybe have a tiny shockwave moarter when it hits |
| 09:11:01 | iLLf8d | how you figure? |
| 09:11:10 | iLLf8d | you use shockwave for where it hits |
| 09:11:18 | iLLf8d | normal bullet for fire |
| 09:11:34 | vogon_jeltz | dude, that's one of the last things we need to add now ;) |
| 09:11:39 | iLLf8d | and don't bother showing the round |
| 09:11:44 | iLLf8d | ie so |
| 09:11:48 | iLLf8d | theres a muzzle flash |
| 09:11:55 | iLLf8d | and an explosion |
| 09:12:03 | iLLf8d | just need to keep track of height |
| 09:12:13 | iLLf8d | that way you can use an equation for where rounds hit |
| 09:12:19 | iLLf8d | just don't show round in flight |
| 09:12:20 | iLLf8d | make it uhm |
| 09:12:24 | iLLf8d | something wierd |
| 09:12:30 | iLLf8d | like invisible shock mortar |
| 09:12:30 | vogon_jeltz | I'll take a look at it, but we might not do it |
| 09:12:41 | iLLf8d | you know what I mean |
| 09:13:05 | vogon_jeltz | compiles tcpdump |
| 09:13:08 | iLLf8d | seem that it wouldn't be a tough implementation if your math savy (which i'm not super savy) |
| 09:13:13 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:13:18 | iLLf8d | whatya think? |
| 09:13:27 | iLLf8d | the way I'm proposing it its doable right? |
| 09:13:36 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but we'd still have to break the protocol |
| 09:13:38 | iLLf8d | although like you said you may not use it ( |
| 09:13:44 | iLLf8d | why? |
| 09:13:50 | iLLf8d | just wondering |
| 09:13:52 | vogon_jeltz | because we don't have time-delay bullets |
| 09:14:17 | iLLf8d | well no time delay |
| 09:14:21 | iLLf8d | I mean uhm |
| 09:14:30 | iLLf8d | like throwing a rock off a building |
| 09:14:33 | iLLf8d | not setting time |
| 09:14:44 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but we still need to break protocol for the new flag |
| 09:15:01 | iLLf8d | don't you have to break protocol for any flags? |
| 09:15:04 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 09:15:09 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 09:15:16 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... |
| 09:15:27 | vogon_jeltz | heh... this is sweet... tcpdump rules |
| 09:15:36 | iLLf8d | you've never used tcpdump before? |
| 09:15:39 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 09:15:40 | iLLf8d | is stuned |
| 09:15:43 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:15:52 | iLLf8d | you may be interested in ethereal too |
| 09:16:04 | iLLf8d | it gives you a gui and a bit more understandable output |
| 09:16:09 | Chestal | is just goign to start ethereal |
| 09:16:12 | iLLf8d | frontend |
| 09:16:46 | vogon_jeltz | checks out snort |
| 09:22:44 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 09:23:00 | iLLf8d | anyone know the scoop with the link on bzedit for transporters right? |
| 09:23:09 | iLLf8d | it seems to pop up 2 windows |
| 09:23:17 | iLLf8d | one looks like a dupe |
| 09:23:37 | iLLf8d | I assume its 0 is one side 1 is the other right? |
| 09:23:45 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 09:25:27 | vogon_jeltz | whoa... this project 0wnz j00: www.3dwm.org :) |
| 09:45:17 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 09:45:33 | iLLf8d | anyone awake enough to tell me what the scoop is with transporter links in map files |
| 09:46:02 | iLLf8d | how do I know what number corresponds to which transporter side? |
| 09:47:30 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:48:07 | vogon_jeltz | if you're using BZEdit, there should be reeeal purty arrows showin' yoooou where those tanks done gone to |
| 09:48:14 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 09:48:28 | iLLf8d | yeah I noticed something but they werent changing |
| 09:48:34 | iLLf8d | maybe I was clicking too fast heh |
| 09:49:10 | iLLf8d | so the first transporter be 01 snd the second 23 and the third 34 etc...? |
| 09:49:26 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 09:51:33 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 09:53:30 | iLLf8d | hrm something durn busted |
| 09:53:32 | iLLf8d | I brb |
| 09:56:03 | vogon_jeltz | oh, man... a lot of boxen have tried to 0wn me :) |
| 10:09:13 | Chestal | finally, it's now proven: some packets get lost |
| 10:09:24 | Chestal | I ahve no clue why, though |
| 10:09:42 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 10:10:03 | vogon_jeltz | I have about 50 sheaves of paper to look through to warn ISPs about Nimda activity on their subnets |
| 10:11:25 | vogon_jeltz | I also have some suspicious activities involving Nimda from a spoofed localhost addy |
| 10:16:23 | vogon_jeltz | in addition, I have enough attacks to permanently k-line 64.40.58.20 and possibly pursue legal action |
| 10:20:07 | vogon_jeltz | a total of 1,223 in all |
| 10:21:27 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... in 2 minutes, I'm expecting another Nimda from... 64.60.139.29 |
| 10:24:03 | Chestal | Hmm, I roughly understand bzfs out buffer management now... |
| 10:24:12 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 10:24:26 | Chestal | but still haven't found a bug |
| 10:24:56 | vogon_jeltz | plops his access logs down into a stack |
| 10:25:08 | vogon_jeltz | w00t! they're finished printing ;) |
| 10:25:25 | vogon_jeltz | now comes the fun part: writing indignant and condescending letters to the ISPs :) |
| 10:26:48 | Chestal | in what way do they usually respond? |
| 10:27:10 | vogon_jeltz | heh... my letters are not usually indignant and condescending |
| 10:27:23 | vogon_jeltz | just saying that to sound cool ;) |
| 10:27:41 | vogon_jeltz | my letters tend to be polite and brown-nosing in nature |
| 10:27:43 | Chestal | ibot, x en de indignant and condescending |
| 10:27:44 | | Chestal: empört und condescending |
| 10:28:21 | Chestal | silly ibot |
| 10:28:29 | Chestal | it's "herablassend" |
| 10:29:00 | Chestal | has to think of a way to continue his debugging |
| 10:29:14 | vogon_jeltz | OK... first up, speakeasy.net |
| 10:34:07 | vogon_jeltz | done |
| 10:34:11 | vogon_jeltz | next, cnc.net |
| 10:40:19 | vogon_jeltz | OK, got the messages sent to gtei.net... next up, telocity.com |
| 10:41:33 | vogon_jeltz | oh, come on... they don't have the standard abuse@... |
| 10:41:43 | Chestal | hmm, strange, this time I can see the the packet in tcpdump, argls |
| 10:43:43 | lupinator | ah the packet hunters at work |
| 10:45:55 | vogon_jeltz | OK, got rr.com done |
| 10:46:01 | Chestal | waah, getting mad |
| 10:46:02 | vogon_jeltz | on to telepacific.net |
| 10:46:17 | Chestal | this time the client just seems to have several packets ignored |
| 10:46:17 | vogon_jeltz | oh, lovely; their Web server's been DoSed |
| 10:46:43 | Chestal | gnaaa, now I'll have to look at the client's network code, too |
| 10:47:21 | Chestal | lupi: I wonder if you coud reproduce the problem more easily with your low-bandwidth connection |
| 10:48:18 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... gblx.net's server certificates don't match their domain name :/ |
| 10:48:22 | lupinator | hehe |
| 10:49:19 | lupinator | the perfect candidate would be tankmann. he is the master of unknowns, flag mismatches ... |
| 10:49:40 | Chestal | I can reproduce lost messages with huge effort now |
| 10:50:10 | Chestal | but tcpdump yields noclear results, looks like one time apacket got lost and another time it didn't, also the client lost it somehow |
| 11:00:34 | Chestal | is determined to find that bug today |
| 11:35:12 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sleep |
| 13:36:26 | Chestal | announces first little traces of success |
| 13:44:26 | captain_proton | what are you working on Chestal? |
| 13:46:17 | iLLf8d | heyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 13:46:22 | iLLf8d | anyone awake |
| 13:46:23 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:46:26 | iLLf8d | ? |
| 13:46:28 | captain_proton | hi iLLf8d |
| 13:46:29 | iLLf8d | really needs to get his teleporter groove on |
| 13:46:39 | iLLf8d | morning proton |
| 13:46:45 | iLLf8d | been up all night building a world |
| 13:46:46 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:46:52 | captain_proton | fun |
| 13:46:54 | iLLf8d | can people steal them? |
| 13:46:59 | iLLf8d | is just wondring |
| 13:47:06 | captain_proton | steal worlds? |
| 13:47:08 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 13:47:16 | captain_proton | i suppose its possible |
| 13:47:16 | iLLf8d | IE record your world? |
| 13:47:18 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:47:21 | captain_proton | it'd take a lot of work |
| 13:47:25 | iLLf8d | dude can I show you what i've got so far |
| 13:47:26 | iLLf8d | ? |
| 13:47:42 | captain_proton | sure - dcc it? |
| 13:48:20 | iLLf8d | I mean put the server up |
| 13:48:21 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:48:27 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 13:48:41 | captain_proton | i have to leave in a moment, but if you do it quick |
| 13:49:12 | iLLf8d | 63.204.177.83 |
| 13:49:13 | Chestal | proton: I am working on bugs in the client<->server communication, lost msgs |
| 13:49:16 | iLLf8d | try that ip |
| 13:49:23 | iLLf8d | hopefully it'll work |
| 13:49:39 | captain_proton | crap - i have to leave right now |
| 13:49:49 | Chestal | proton: these are the cause for several observable bugs (killer does not always score, flag mismatch, inability to pick up flag etc.) |
| 13:50:09 | captain_proton | if you dcc it i can take a look - i promise i won't steal it |
| 13:50:19 | iLLf8d | its not done yet heh |
| 13:50:21 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 13:50:30 | iLLf8d | when i'm done i'll open it to the public heh |
| 13:50:37 | iLLf8d | its very busy a bit too much |
| 13:51:35 | iLLf8d | its even got guided missle bunkers heh |
| 13:51:51 | iLLf8d | airborne |
| 13:52:10 | iLLf8d | i'd have raised the whole field for real underground bunkers but I thought itd be a hassle |
| 13:53:18 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 13:53:33 | iLLf8d | I wonder if my router will work the way I have it setup |
| 13:54:56 | Chestal | ill: I am sure the router will work the way you have it setup, but the questions remins if you have setup in a way that you really intended to :-) |
| 13:55:14 | iLLf8d | oh no I wouldn't leave it this way heh |
| 13:55:21 | iLLf8d | I put my box outside for a min =P |
| 13:55:28 | iLLf8d | and don't have it firewalled shhhh |
| 13:55:28 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 13:55:50 | iLLf8d | I may even be running telnet |
| 13:56:06 | iLLf8d | I have it blocked at the router normally |
| 13:57:41 | iLLf8d | i'm gonna button it back up |
| 14:54:55 | captain_proton | ok i'm back |
| 14:59:12 | firegod | ok, i'm heading to work now.. nobody say anything interesting till I get home.. reading backbuffer sucks (; |
| 14:59:49 | firegod | i've read half way thru the protocol spec so far |
| 14:59:49 | firegod | finish the rest tonight. |
| 16:21:58 | captain_proton | the new HUD is looking good |
| 16:23:58 | I_KalamBa | hi? |
| 16:24:12 | captain_proton | hi i |
| 16:24:15 | captain_proton | oops |
| 16:24:30 | captain_proton | anything you'd like to see in the HUD? |
| 16:25:00 | I_KalamBa | whats HUD?????? |
| 16:31:06 | I_KalamBa | ż |
| 16:31:06 | captain_proton | heads-up-display (gametime UI) |
| 16:31:06 | I_KalamBa | ok what does it mean 4 me? |
| 16:32:49 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 16:32:49 | captain_proton | ibot, wb |
| 16:33:31 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 16:33:31 | I_KalamBa | ibot, wb |
| 16:33:32 | captain_proton | so no suggestions for the UI? |
| 16:33:47 | I_KalamBa | don't ask me |
| 16:33:55 | I_KalamBa | ibot, help |
| 16:33:55 | captain_proton | why not? |
| 16:34:07 | | I_KalamBa: i'm not following you... |
| 16:34:07 | I_KalamBa | ibot, commandlist |
| 16:34:16 | | ls is something I type a lot.... (Where am I , what am I doind ;) |
| 16:34:16 | I_KalamBa | ibot, ls |
| 16:35:11 | I_KalamBa | wants to jnow about ibots commands |
| 16:35:20 | captain_proton | ibot, help |
| 16:35:29 | captain_proton | main author corrections reply alternation karma yow slashdot internic currency change insult weather metar taf greatcircle zulutime tsd airport aviation nickometer rot13 dns crypt chr ord status botmail search. use 'help <topic>' |
| 16:35:52 | I_KalamBa | ibot, help main |
| 16:36:02 | | I_KalamBa is nothing but a jarring assload of goatish entrails. |
| 16:36:02 | captain_proton | ibot, insult I_KalamBa |
| 16:37:19 | I_KalamBa | ibot is stupid bot |
| 16:37:27 | I_KalamBa | ibot, help main |
| 16:37:46 | | I_KalamBa: excuse me? |
| 16:37:46 | I_KalamBa | ibot, author |
| 16:37:52 | | no idea, i_kalamba |
| 16:37:52 | I_KalamBa | ibot, author who |
| 16:37:59 | | captain_proton: no idea |
| 16:37:59 | captain_proton | ibot, who wrote ibot? |
| 16:38:04 | | captain_proton: wish i knew |
| 16:38:04 | captain_proton | ibot, who created ibot? |
| 16:38:12 | | I_KalamBa: i'm not following you... |
| 16:38:12 | I_KalamBa | ibot, I hate you |
| 16:38:14 | | well, i am an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag or stupid. |
| 16:38:14 | captain_proton | ibot, ibot? |
| 16:38:31 | | Since Tue Oct 16 17:45:11 2001, there have been 51 modifications and 40 questions. I have been awake for 23 hours, 53 minutes, 20 seconds this session, and currently reference 2902 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 16:38:31 | I_KalamBa | ibot, status |
| 16:39:00 | | I_KalamBa: sorry... |
| 16:39:00 | I_KalamBa | ibot, aren't u goning to sleep (:- |
| 16:39:09 | I_KalamBa | ibot, help |
| 16:39:24 | I_KalamBa | ibot, help dns |
| 16:40:50 | | captain_proton: what? |
| 16:40:50 | captain_proton | ibot never sleeps |
| 16:41:05 | | just a cheap substitute for caffeine. |
| 16:41:05 | captain_proton | ibot, sleep |
| 16:41:12 | captain_proton | see?? |
| 16:44:37 | captain_proton | goes to class |
| 16:44:48 | I_KalamBa | goodbye? |
| 16:44:59 | captain_proton | bye |
| 16:45:09 | captain_proton | i'll be back in a couple hours |
| 16:45:22 | captain_proton | try to think of any suggestions for the interface |
| 16:52:54 | Chestal | re |
| 16:56:50 | Chestal | where's Tim? I need him |
| 16:57:13 | I_KalamBa | Tim-him-beem |
| 16:57:29 | I_KalamBa | was he ever in this IRC? |
| 16:58:35 | Chestal | yes, often |
| 16:58:43 | Chestal | lupi's gone, too, hmm |
| 17:06:15 | | i heard msorry was <m>-team message btn sorry-he shot his teammate |
| 17:06:15 | I_KalamBa | ibot, what is msorry? |
| 17:06:24 | I_KalamBa | really? |
| 17:06:42 | | i_kalamba: no idea |
| 17:06:42 | I_KalamBa | ibot really? |
| 17:06:54 | I_KalamBa | 0O |
| 17:07:11 | I_KalamBa | O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0 |
| 17:07:28 | | I_KalamBa: huh? |
| 17:07:28 | I_KalamBa | ibot go to hell |
| 17:07:39 | I_KalamBa | ibot dns bzflag.org |
| 17:07:40 | | bzflag.org is 216.136.171.204 |
| 17:08:00 | I_KalamBa | dns 216.136.171.204 |
| 17:08:07 | I_KalamBa | ibot dns 216.136.171.204 |
| 17:08:09 | | 216.136.171.204 is usw-pr-vhost.sourceforge.net |
| 17:08:29 | I_KalamBa | ibot dns usw-pr-vhost.sourceforge.net |
| 17:08:29 | | usw-pr-vhost.sourceforge.net is 216.136.171.204 |
| 17:08:47 | I_KalamBa | msorry |
| 17:08:52 | I_KalamBa | msorry? |
| 17:09:02 | I_KalamBa | why msorry |
| 17:09:10 | I_KalamBa | who is msorry |
| 17:09:21 | I_KalamBa | what is msorry |
| 17:09:25 | I_KalamBa | what is msorry? |
| 17:09:38 | | I_KalamBa: sorry... |
| 17:09:38 | I_KalamBa | ibot boot me |
| 17:27:51 | | I_KalamBa bite me! |
| 17:27:51 | I_KalamBa | ibot reboot |
| 17:27:58 | | I_KalamBa: what? |
| 17:27:58 | I_KalamBa | ibot restart |
| 17:28:07 | | I_KalamBa: what? |
| 17:28:07 | I_KalamBa | ibot shotup |
| 17:28:11 | | Sorry, I_KalamBa, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 17:28:11 | I_KalamBa | ibot shutup |
| 17:28:20 | | I_KalamBa: i'm not following you... |
| 17:28:20 | I_KalamBa | ibot shutdown |
| 17:28:24 | | I_KalamBa: huh? |
| 17:28:24 | I_KalamBa | ibot shutdoup |
| 17:28:29 | | Sorry, I_KalamBa, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 17:28:29 | I_KalamBa | ibot shutup |
| 17:29:07 | Chestal | wah, I want Tim and lupi |
| 17:50:55 | I_KalamBa | what is msorry? |
| 17:51:06 | | <m>-team message btn sorry-I shot I_KalamBa's teammate |
| 17:51:06 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is msorry? |
| 17:56:09 | | i_kalamba: i don't know |
| 17:56:09 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is flag |
| 17:56:13 | | i_kalamba: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:56:13 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is flag |
| 17:56:24 | | bzflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 17:56:24 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is bzflag |
| 17:57:47 | Chestal | itobt: who is I_Kalamba |
| 17:57:50 | | no idea, chestal |
| 17:57:50 | Chestal | ibot: who is I_Kalamba |
| 17:58:46 | | OK, I_KalamBa. |
| 17:58:46 | I_KalamBa | ibot I_KalamBa is good BZFlag player |
| 17:58:55 | | hmmm... I_Kalamba is good BZFlag player |
| 17:58:55 | Chestal | ibot: who is I_Kalamba? |
| 17:58:56 | | you are good BZFlag player |
| 17:58:56 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is I_kalamBa |
| 17:59:56 | | OK, I_KalamBa. |
| 17:59:56 | I_KalamBa | ibot IKB is a good BZ player |
| 18:01:07 | | OK, I_KalamBa. |
| 18:01:07 | I_KalamBa | ibot captain_proton is Undifined |
| 18:01:22 | I_KalamBa | who is captian_proton? |
| 18:01:38 | I_KalamBa | who is captain_proton? |
| 18:01:48 | | captain_proton is, like, Undifined |
| 18:01:48 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is captain_proton? |
| 18:02:19 | | ...but captain_proton is Undifined... |
| 18:02:19 | I_KalamBa | ibot captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:02:30 | | ...but captain_proton is Undifined... |
| 18:02:30 | I_KalamBa | ibot No, captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:03:19 | I_KalamBa | No, captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:03:31 | | ...but captain_proton is Undifined... |
| 18:03:31 | I_KalamBa | ibot No, captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:03:42 | | OK, I_KalamBa. |
| 18:03:42 | I_KalamBa | ibot No captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:03:51 | | captain_proton is Undifined |
| 18:03:51 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is captain_proton? |
| 18:04:00 | I_KalamBa | who is captian_proton? |
| 18:04:29 | | Chestal: I forgot captain_proton |
| 18:04:29 | Chestal | ibot, forget captain_proton |
| 18:04:29 | | i_kalamba: no idea |
| 18:04:29 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is No, captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:04:42 | | wish i knew, i_kalamba |
| 18:04:42 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is captain_proton |
| 18:05:14 | | OK, I_KalamBa. |
| 18:05:14 | I_KalamBa | ibot captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:05:29 | I_KalamBa | who is captain_proton |
| 18:05:45 | I_KalamBa | who is captain_proton |
| 18:05:56 | | captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:05:56 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is captain_proton |
| 18:06:25 | | ...but captain_proton is UNKNOWN... |
| 18:06:25 | I_KalamBa | ibot, no, captain_proton is an UNKNOWN |
| 18:06:31 | | captain_proton is UNKNOWN |
| 18:06:31 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is captain_proton |
| 18:06:39 | I_KalamBa | no, captain_proton is an UNKNOWN |
| 18:07:59 | | ...but no captain_proton is UNKNOWN... |
| 18:07:59 | I_KalamBa | ibot No captain_proton is an UNKNOWN |
| 18:08:09 | | I_KalamBa, I didn't have anything matching 'no captain_proton is an unknown' |
| 18:08:09 | I_KalamBa | ibot forget No captain_proton is an UNKNOWN |
| 18:08:25 | | I_KalamBa: I forgot no captain_proton |
| 18:08:25 | I_KalamBa | ibot forget No captain_proton |
| 18:08:30 | | I_KalamBa: I forgot captain_proton |
| 18:08:30 | I_KalamBa | ibot forget captain_proton |
| 18:08:40 | | OK, I_KalamBa. |
| 18:08:40 | I_KalamBa | ibot captain_proton is an UNKNOWN |
| 18:08:56 | | i don't know, i_kalamba |
| 18:08:56 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is @ |
| 18:09:00 | | i_kalamba: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:09:00 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is @ |
| 18:09:02 | | wish i knew, i_kalamba |
| 18:09:02 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is @ |
| 18:09:03 | | i haven't a clue, i_kalamba |
| 18:09:03 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is @ |
| 18:09:05 | | i_kalamba: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:09:05 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is @ |
| 18:09:06 | | i_kalamba: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:09:06 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is @ |
| 18:09:08 | | i_kalamba: i don't know |
| 18:09:08 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is @ |
| 18:09:10 | I_KalamBa | a |
| 18:09:10 | | 0.111111111111111 |
| 18:09:10 | Chestal | ibot: 1/9 |
| 18:09:11 | I_KalamBa | a |
| 18:09:11 | I_KalamBa | a |
| 18:09:11 | I_KalamBa | a |
| 18:09:11 | I_KalamBa | a |
| 18:09:29 | Chestal | didn't you take your medicine this morning? ;-) |
| 18:09:56 | | 17 |
| 18:09:56 | I_KalamBa | ibot 911*1-800-057-057 |
| 18:10:07 | | 17 |
| 18:10:07 | I_KalamBa | ibot 911-800-057-057 |
| 18:10:22 | | -1 |
| 18:10:22 | I_KalamBa | ibot 911-800-057-057-18 |
| 18:10:49 | | I_KalamBa: huh? |
| 18:10:49 | I_KalamBa | ibot x =1 |
| 18:10:52 | | I_KalamBa: excuse me? |
| 18:10:52 | I_KalamBa | ibot x = 1 |
| 18:10:57 | | I_KalamBa: i'm not following you... |
| 18:10:57 | I_KalamBa | ibot 2x |
| 18:11:10 | | 16 |
| 18:11:10 | I_KalamBa | ibot 2*10^4 |
| 18:11:24 | | 2147483668 |
| 18:11:24 | I_KalamBa | ibot 2*10^4-66+22-111111111111111111111111 |
| 18:11:38 | | 9.9999999899989e+35 |
| 18:11:38 | I_KalamBa | ibot 9999999999999*99999999999999*999999999 |
| 18:11:47 | | 3294967296 |
| 18:11:47 | I_KalamBa | ibot 9999999999999^999999999 |
| 18:11:57 | I_KalamBa | ibot 9^9 |
| 18:12:19 | FantaZee | hi all |
| 18:12:20 | I_KalamBa | Hi |
| 18:12:35 | I_KalamBa | 9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^ |
| 18:12:38 | I_KalamBa | 9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9 |
| 18:12:39 | FantaZee | playing at ducati ? |
| 18:12:45 | I_KalamBa | not me |
| 18:12:54 | FantaZee | :(( |
| 18:13:08 | I_KalamBa | who is BZFlag? |
| 18:13:19 | I_KalamBa | what is BZFlag |
| 18:13:21 | I_KalamBa | what is BZFlag? |
| 18:13:28 | | well, BZFlag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 18:13:28 | I_KalamBa | ibot what is BZFlag? |
| 18:13:43 | Chestal | hi BeZee |
| 18:13:45 | BeZee | hi |
| 18:13:52 | Chestal | still no Tim or lupi here :-( |
| 18:14:02 | FantaZee | thx |
| 18:14:20 | I_KalamBa | BZFlag is TimRiker? I'm not sure |
| 18:14:23 | Chestal | he is |
| 18:14:38 | Chestal | ah, Fant, didn't notice tou |
| 18:14:48 | Chestal | spent all day bug hunting |
| 18:14:49 | FantaZee | ;) |
| 18:15:03 | Chestal | ah, there's TIm |
| 18:15:05 | Chestal | I am blind |
| 18:15:09 | Chestal | BZFlag: are you there? |
| 18:15:09 | FantaZee | how do u make the comment's |
| 18:15:23 | Chestal | wonders what a comment is? this? |
| 18:15:51 | I_KalamBa | make a comment by tayping /me comment. try it! |
| 18:16:07 | Chestal | Kalamba: you got the grammar all wrong |
| 18:16:09 | BeZee | wondering |
| 18:16:23 | BeZee | freu |
| 18:16:23 | Chestal | is wondering <--- that's how to do it |
| 18:16:28 | I_KalamBa | thx? |
| 18:16:39 | FantaZee | das ist ja einfach |
| 18:16:43 | Chestal | it's to be read as a sentence where you are the subject |
| 18:16:48 | I_KalamBa | type ibot who is I_KalamBa |
| 18:16:52 | | you are good BZFlag player |
| 18:16:52 | I_KalamBa | ibot who is I_KalamBa |
| 18:17:22 | FantaZee | hey, ikb is the best |
| 18:17:39 | I_KalamBa | not THE_BEST |
| 18:17:58 | FantaZee | but the best |
| 18:18:05 | I_KalamBa | If I was the best i would win the contenst |
| 18:18:23 | I_KalamBa | sorry contest |
| 18:18:39 | BZFlag | Chestal: what bugs did you find? |
| 18:18:50 | Chestal | BZFLag: I wanted to discuss how to fix thembest |
| 18:18:57 | BZFlag | here ok? |
| 18:18:58 | Chestal | BZflag: one bug is in bzfs networking code |
| 18:19:01 | I_KalamBa | if you mangaged to find any |
| 18:19:29 | Chestal | BZFlag: whenever a single bzmessage is split over more than one tcp packet there might be problems |
| 18:20:06 | Chestal | BZFlaG: when bzfs receives a UDP packet right between the two TCP packets which make the message, it's broken |
| 18:20:27 | Chestal | BZFLag: that is because both UDP and TCP receive uses player[i].len and player[i].msg |
| 18:20:53 | Chestal | BZFlag: I fixed this by not listenign to UDP packets for a player which has incomplete TCP mesasges pending (player[i].len>0) |
| 18:21:08 | Chestal | BZFlag: I think it would be a better approach to not share these variables in the first place |
| 18:21:15 | BZFlag | ah, that's not good. (the bug I mean) |
| 18:21:55 | BZFlag | I agree. we need to track this differently. |
| 18:22:05 | Chestal | result of this bug is that messages from client to server get lost, most probable if lots of mesasges are sent and the client's bandwidth is low |
| 18:22:23 | BZFlag | It would be nice to never have partial udp packets (or at least discard them) |
| 18:22:34 | Chestal | my fix is working, but it might have a negative effect on responsiveness under certain circumstances |
| 18:22:41 | BZFlag | and perhaps to discover the largest that get through reliably, and stay under that size. |
| 18:22:43 | Chestal | udp packets aren't partial |
| 18:22:57 | Chestal | at least the recv function in bzfs assumes they aren't |
| 18:23:02 | Chestal | as far as I understoof it |
| 18:23:03 | BZFlag | does the code insure that they will never be? |
| 18:23:10 | Chestal | hmm, I don't know |
| 18:23:28 | Chestal | I guess it's no problem now becuase the 4 types of messages sent are sent via UDP are very smll ones <<100 bytes |
| 18:23:34 | BZFlag | say someone is connected through an ancient frame relay switch that only handles 384 byte packets as worst case. |
| 18:23:59 | BZFlag | the server may send one large packet, but iirc the routers can split it up if they wish. |
| 18:24:15 | Chestal | yes, with Ip4 they can |
| 18:24:36 | Chestal | I guess PlayerUpdate, ShotBegin, ShotEnd and GmUpdate are very small, though |
| 18:24:40 | BZFlag | then the receive code needs to account for partials even if the send code never creates them. |
| 18:25:13 | Chestal | well, maybe it does, I haven't looked at uread() very closely, wasn't necessary for the bug fix |
| 18:25:13 | BZFlag | I'd say just check for complete valid packets and discard any that are not. |
| 18:25:42 | BZFlag | so does the udp code need .len at all? |
| 18:26:19 | Chestal | problem with this bug are bz messages that are split over several udp messages acutally |
| 18:27:10 | Chestal | problem is that the new udp receive routines conflict with pending tcp messages |
| 18:27:29 | Chestal | I don't know whether there might be additional problems with udp fragmentation, didn't happen for me |
| 18:28:30 | Chestal | I guess a clenaer fix would be to duplicate Player::len and Player::msg (udplen, udpmsg for example) and use the new ones for udp |
| 18:32:50 | Chestal | still there? :-) |
| 18:33:15 | Chestal | fixing this bug only fixed some of the lost messages. Messages from server -> client could get lost also |
| 18:34:18 | I_KalamBa | BZFlag dosen't seem to be here, but I can pretend I understand what you say (:- |
| 18:38:43 | captain_proton | nice crowd |
| 18:38:49 | BZFlag | lags... back now. |
| 18:38:58 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag |
| 18:39:45 | BZFlag | Chestal: you think there is a similar issue on the client or were your changed areas in both? |
| 18:40:02 | captain_proton | goes to eat lunch |
| 18:40:46 | Chestal | BZFlag: client has a different bug |
| 18:41:00 | Chestal | jsut a moment |
| 18:42:09 | Chestal | in playing.cxx, in doMessages(), first serverLink->read() is called and any messages are passed to handleservermessage |
| 18:42:26 | Chestal | then palyerlInk->read() is called and messages are passed to handleplayermessages |
| 18:42:47 | Chestal | but when player messages get relayed by bzfs, it gets messed up |
| 18:43:09 | Chestal | problem is: playerlink->read() calls serevrLink->read() when relaying is active |
| 18:43:33 | Chestal | so, a call to playerlink->read() might recive e.g. a MsgGrabFlag |
| 18:43:55 | Chestal | but this is passed to handeplayermessage which doeonly know how to handle PlayerUpdate, ShotBegin/end and GMUpdate |
| 18:43:59 | Chestal | so msg gets ignored |
| 18:44:15 | Chestal | I think the whole server / player-link distinction is a bit messed up |
| 18:44:33 | Chestal | handleservermessage on its part passes PlayerUpdate etc. to handlePlayermessage anyway |
| 18:45:00 | Chestal | I fixed this currently by removing serverlink->read() call from playerlink::read |
| 18:45:16 | Chestal | don;'t know what's the cleanest way to do it |
| 18:45:44 | Chestal | I think this is the problem which causes all nasty bugs (player does not score, player cannot pick up flags, unknown players, flag mismatch) |
| 18:45:47 | BZFlag | ah, a multicast related issue then. |
| 18:46:31 | BZFlag | can you open a SF bug for each of these and attach this information that you have discovered? |
| 18:46:48 | BZFlag | I will look into it soon and fix CVS. |
| 18:47:07 | Chestal | ok |
| 18:47:13 | BZFlag | s/it/them/ :-/ |
| 18:56:31 | captain_proton | returns |
| 19:19:52 | Chestal | bug report finished |
| 19:22:22 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:23:05 | captain_proton | wow what a nasty bug |
| 19:26:10 | Chestal | it was hard to find |
| 19:26:44 | captain_proton | i bet |
| 19:26:45 | Chestal | I'm geting more and more experienced at debugging other people's code :-) |
| 19:27:17 | captain_proton | care to find the rendering bug which keeps bzflag from rendering stuff where the control panel should be correctly? |
| 19:27:49 | Chestal | hmm, where do you get this bug? |
| 19:28:04 | Chestal | I don't quite understand your senetnce, btw. :-) |
| 19:28:13 | captain_proton | i removed the control panel |
| 19:28:14 | Chestal | ah, now I got it |
| 19:28:33 | Chestal | heh, the control panel is essential |
| 19:28:46 | Chestal | I have no knowledge of opengl though |
| 19:28:48 | captain_proton | why do you say that? |
| 19:33:15 | Chestal | which of my two statements? |
| 19:34:34 | captain_proton | about the control panel |
| 19:38:58 | Chestal | well, you won't see anymessages without it!? |
| 19:39:17 | captain_proton | yes you will ;) |
| 19:39:30 | Chestal | but only for a second or so |
| 19:39:34 | captain_proton | nope :) |
| 19:39:42 | captain_proton | they'll just float in a small font |
| 19:39:53 | captain_proton | perhaps with some nifty blending too |
| 19:40:40 | captain_proton | well i have to go to class |
| 19:40:42 | captain_proton | ttyl |
| 19:40:52 | I_KalamBa | It could be nice to have an option to make bigger smaller the messages box |
| 19:42:43 | I_KalamBa | wtihout changing the radar size of course |
| 19:43:44 | Chestal | radar should be at least twice the current size :-) |
| 19:44:51 | I_KalamBa | don't agree. Big radar = small looking point |
| 19:54:08 | Chestal | well, I must play at 800x600 and can't see that much on my radar |
| 19:54:29 | Chestal | only when I am playign with radar setting 1 the resolution is ok, but radar covers too small a range then |
| 19:56:41 | I_KalamBa | GOOD-Niget |
| 19:56:46 | I_KalamBa | night |
| 19:57:02 | I_KalamBa | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............. |
| 20:36:19 | captain_proton | hi vogon_jeltz |
| 20:36:38 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 20:37:06 | captain_proton | i've hacked too much: i have pieces of the HUD lying all over my floor :) |
| 20:37:23 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 20:37:56 | vogon_jeltz | Oct 17 05:09:43 fortytwo portsentry[905]: attackalert: SYN/Normal scan from host |
| 20:37:57 | vogon_jeltz | : AFontenayssB-102-1-4-155.abo.wanadoo.fr/217.128.37.155 to TCP port: 1080 |
| 20:37:57 | vogon_jeltz | Oct 17 05:09:43 fortytwo portsentry[905]: attackalert: Host 217.128.37.155 has b |
| 20:37:57 | vogon_jeltz | een blocked via wrappers with string: "ALL: 217.128.37.155" |
| 20:38:08 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, the loveliness of blocking people trying to 0wn you |
| 20:38:43 | captain_proton | :) |
| 20:38:55 | captain_proton | so far i've removed the control panel and have a floating radar |
| 20:38:56 | vogon_jeltz | has already reported this to their ISP... I bet they'll be *very* pleased to learn of it |
| 20:39:00 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: sweet |
| 20:39:03 | captain_proton | (and a bugged up messages box thats still there) |
| 20:39:12 | BZFlag | is the reporting automatic too? |
| 20:39:13 | captain_proton | right now i'm working on recentering the target box |
| 20:39:16 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: no |
| 20:39:44 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: I frequently have people test my security with portscans :) |
| 20:39:51 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: but this one was unauthorized |
| 20:41:03 | vogon_jeltz | wants to get a piece of the moron who left their box Nimdaing me for 5 days, every half hour, on the half hour |
| 20:41:20 | captain_proton | lol |
| 20:41:27 | vogon_jeltz | I'm serious |
| 20:41:29 | captain_proton | why didn't you just firewall them? |
| 20:41:42 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: because I didn't get around to checking my logs until yesterday |
| 20:42:08 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: and the person who portmapped me foolishly did it while I had tail -f /var/log/messages in plain sight |
| 20:42:57 | captain_proton | grrr i need tim's knowledge |
| 20:43:16 | vogon_jeltz | also got CodeRedded by a box at 61.158.144.56 |
| 20:44:05 | vogon_jeltz | (this was on the 14th, btw) :) |
| 20:44:07 | captain_proton | you're running apache?? |
| 20:44:10 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 20:45:47 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... I also got CodeRedded by a box at 209.45.51.236 on Sep. 25 |
| 20:46:43 | captain_proton | weird - window.getHeight() isn't working right |
| 20:46:58 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 20:48:21 | captain_proton | oh just in a weird projection |
| 20:49:06 | vogon_jeltz | ponders |
| 20:50:43 | captain_proton | it works :) |
| 20:50:50 | Chestal | good night everyone |
| 20:50:58 | captain_proton | care to see a current patch? |
| 20:50:59 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: nn |
| 20:51:02 | vogon_jeltz | does |
| 20:51:46 | captain_proton | this is just off of current CVS |
| 20:52:12 | vogon_jeltz | cool |
| 20:53:18 | captain_proton | keep in mind this is just a start |
| 20:53:58 | vogon_jeltz | watches /var/log/messages to make sure another person doesn't try to 0wn him |
| 20:57:24 | captain_proton | hmmm the targeting box still isn't centered |
| 20:57:53 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 20:59:55 | captain_proton | wtf?!?!? |
| 21:00:34 | vogon_jeltz | what stupid thing did you do this time? ;) |
| 21:01:11 | captain_proton | centery is 600 (on 1600x1200) but its drawing the targetting box way off center |
| 21:01:24 | vogon_jeltz | ha |
| 21:01:41 | vogon_jeltz | are you making sure to put the *center* at 800,600? :) |
| 21:02:18 | captain_proton | yes |
| 21:02:36 | captain_proton | ahh progress |
| 21:05:12 | captain_proton | hmmmmmmmm |
| 21:09:30 | captain_proton | YESSSSSS |
| 21:09:43 | vogon_jeltz | builds cap's patched version of BZFlag |
| 21:10:45 | captain_proton | let me make you a new patch with the fixes |
| 21:13:06 | captain_proton | going to accept? |
| 21:19:34 | captain_proton | like? |
| 21:19:43 | captain_proton | it gives you a small advantage of a greater azimuth view |
| 21:25:28 | captain_proton | Chestal or firegod: if you want to check out my current HUD changes, just ask |
| 21:27:17 | captain_proton | wb vogon_jeltz |
| 21:27:25 | vogon_jeltz | thx :/ |
| 21:27:33 | vogon_jeltz | computer froze |
| 21:27:36 | captain_proton | like the HUD? |
| 21:27:41 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, it's OK |
| 21:27:48 | vogon_jeltz | but the message box keeps flickering |
| 21:27:52 | captain_proton | yep |
| 21:27:58 | captain_proton | thats because i haven't done anything to it |
| 21:27:59 | vogon_jeltz | the radar needs some sort of border |
| 21:28:11 | captain_proton | and its not used to having the scene draw over that area of the screen |
| 21:28:17 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 21:28:34 | captain_proton | mmmmm cake |
| 21:28:56 | captain_proton | i'm thinking of throwing a compass on the bottom right |
| 21:29:21 | vogon_jeltz | I'd throw it on the upper right |
| 21:30:01 | captain_proton | i'd prefer to keep both radar and compass on the same vertical half of the screen |
| 21:30:09 | vogon_jeltz | (a screenie of Tribes2) |
| 21:30:44 | vogon_jeltz | not from my box, but still a good ref point for what a nice HUD looks like |
| 21:33:18 | vogon_jeltz | notice, also, that the graphics 0wn |
| 21:33:26 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:34:18 | vogon_jeltz | wait, lemme try something... brb |
| 21:34:54 | captain_proton | hi iLLf8d |
| 21:35:19 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 21:35:29 | captain_proton | new HUD is coming along... |
| 21:35:36 | iLLf8d | very cool |
| 21:35:46 | iLLf8d | whats the scoop with the transporters? |
| 21:35:53 | captain_proton | i've hacked it so much i have pieces of the control panel lying all over my floor |
| 21:35:57 | captain_proton | what do you mean? |
| 21:35:58 | iLLf8d | I'm having a tough time figuring out how to connect them |
| 21:36:12 | captain_proton | oh - you can name each teleporter, and each teleporter has 2 sides |
| 21:36:13 | iLLf8d | how do I know what link is attached to which transporter in the map file |
| 21:36:19 | captain_proton | when you create a link, you get a window with 2 lists |
| 21:36:26 | captain_proton | top box is 'from', bottom is 'to' |
| 21:36:35 | iLLf8d | I've been getting 2 windows with 4 lists |
| 21:36:43 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 21:36:47 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 21:36:55 | iLLf8d | they're identical |
| 21:37:06 | captain_proton | close one then |
| 21:37:08 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:37:19 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 21:37:24 | iLLf8d | I think I tried that heh |
| 21:37:44 | iLLf8d | its also tough to know which transporter is tied with which link after the fact |
| 21:37:59 | captain_proton | you can name the teleporters: thats why I did the whole naming thing |
| 21:38:12 | iLLf8d | aren't they numbered in some fashion (or is it just the link directly following the teleporter)? |
| 21:38:14 | captain_proton | and it should render little arrows when you've selected a link |
| 21:38:29 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 21:38:31 | captain_proton | well, the default names are just numbered |
| 21:38:35 | captain_proton | but you can set your own |
| 21:39:11 | iLLf8d | I got a ton of work to do on this it need a billion transporters for mobility and a whole nother upper level |
| 21:39:25 | iLLf8d | i'm gonna sendya my map so you can see what I got |
| 21:39:36 | iLLf8d | view it in bzedit or you'll never see whats going on |
| 21:39:37 | captain_proton | i'll point out right now that at the moment non-windows clients crash with > 15 teleporters |
| 21:39:43 | captain_proton | ok |
| 21:39:47 | iLLf8d | no shit hhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:39:48 | iLLf8d | damn |
| 21:39:50 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 21:39:55 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz is going to try to fix it before the next release |
| 21:40:38 | captain_proton | feel free to send it though - i might be able to give you some comments about it |
| 21:41:38 | iLLf8d | what its gonna have is second levels on the towers |
| 21:41:57 | iLLf8d | and the transporters in the elevated bases are gonna be blocked in so you can't see them |
| 21:42:06 | iLLf8d | that way you run under and jump up to transport |
| 21:42:31 | captain_proton | ooh nice shape |
| 21:42:38 | iLLf8d | the corners are gonna have a few teleporters (the buildings) setup so you can teleport through the respective buildings |
| 21:42:50 | iLLf8d | almost like teleporter tunnels for increased mobility |
| 21:42:58 | iLLf8d | there are bunkers in the corners for gm muwahaha |
| 21:43:11 | iLLf8d | with slits to fire betweeen |
| 21:43:56 | iLLf8d | I'm gonna run it with about 3-5 gm a bunch of high speed |
| 21:44:04 | iLLf8d | and just regular supers too |
| 21:44:05 | captain_proton | sounds cool |
| 21:44:22 | iLLf8d | I need to increase mobility and decrease clutter I can tell already |
| 21:44:31 | iLLf8d | my first world so its me goofing off |
| 21:44:47 | iLLf8d | seeing what works what doesn't |
| 21:44:48 | captain_proton | i see why you wanted a mirror function |
| 21:44:58 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 21:45:18 | iLLf8d | I made one corner and mirrored the rest with copy/paste and a bunch of negatives |
| 21:45:24 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:45:48 | iLLf8d | would've been impossible w/out bzedit |
| 21:45:48 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 21:45:54 | captain_proton | well i'm gonna go over to a friend's room |
| 21:46:03 | iLLf8d | what school you in? |
| 21:46:05 | captain_proton | CU |
| 21:46:18 | iLLf8d | columbia? or what CU is alot |
| 21:46:20 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 21:46:23 | iLLf8d | could be anythintg |
| 21:46:24 | captain_proton | colorado |
| 21:46:28 | iLLf8d | ah very cool |
| 21:48:33 | captain_proton | leaves |
| 21:52:22 | iLLf8d | cya |
| 22:10:26 | iLLf8d | hmm any pogrammers around? |
| 22:10:41 | iLLf8d | is there a reason that bzedit creates building and whatnot with fractions? |
| 22:10:47 | iLLf8d | are they less load on the system |
| 22:11:02 | iLLf8d | for example building height defaults to 9.2 or something like that |