| 01:14:57 | captain_proton | argh where is tim? |
| 01:48:22 | firegod | hey howdy |
| 01:48:26 | firegod | whats news? |
| 01:49:07 | firegod | everyone's playing bz? |
| 01:49:07 | firegod | (: |
| 01:55:09 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag! |
| 01:59:50 | Gerbil | at took forever |
| 01:59:56 | Gerbil | at took forever |
| 01:59:59 | Gerbil | at took forever |
| 02:00:05 | Gerbil | sorry |
| 02:00:11 | captain_proton | can you join #meq? |
| 02:00:28 | Gerbil | Who? |
| 02:00:37 | captain_proton | this is #bzflag - can you join #meq? |
| 02:01:37 | captain_proton | can you at least send private messages? |
| 02:03:09 | captain_proton | awww he left |
| 02:05:27 | captain_proton | hi dang |
| 02:06:04 | dang | hi cp, first time running an irc client |
| 02:06:20 | dang | what's happening tonight? |
| 02:06:30 | captain_proton | not too much |
| 02:06:56 | dang | is there somewhere good to play bz these days? |
| 02:07:12 | captain_proton | that depends - what do you mean by 'somewhere good'? |
| 02:07:30 | firegod | it's always good! |
| 02:07:32 | firegod | (: |
| 02:08:09 | dang | where the time: doesn't spike up and there are oldtimers |
| 02:08:24 | captain_proton | ummmm |
| 02:08:38 | captain_proton | only real oldtimers i know are oma & frank, and i haven't seen them in a while |
| 02:09:41 | dang | I mean people that were active when I started. I used to go to themis to avoid the crowds |
| 02:09:52 | captain_proton | when did you start? |
| 02:11:11 | dang | geez, i think it was june 2000 |
| 02:12:16 | captain_proton | gerbil: can you private message? |
| 02:12:44 | gerbil | ahh--did i ever tell u how much i hate irc? |
| 02:12:47 | gerbil | ahh--did i ever tell u how much i hate irc? |
| 02:12:51 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:12:51 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 02:12:52 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 02:13:02 | gerbil | On which service |
| 02:13:09 | gerbil | hate irc |
| 02:13:10 | vogon_jeltz | IRC |
| 02:13:14 | gerbil | hate irc |
| 02:13:25 | captain_proton | gerbil: try this: /m captain_proton test |
| 02:13:29 | gerbil | is evil |
| 02:13:40 | captain_proton | not if you use a real client gerbil |
| 02:13:55 | gerbil | :/m captain_proton test |
| 02:14:01 | captain_proton | no : |
| 02:14:06 | vogon_jeltz | -gerbil- VERSION CGI:IRC 0.4.2 (http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/) |
| 02:14:29 | gerbil | I hate spam, asl checks and porn messages every 5 minutes |
| 02:14:36 | captain_proton | asl? |
| 02:14:53 | gerbil | age-sex-location |
| 02:14:55 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 02:14:58 | gerbil | age-sex-location |
| 02:14:59 | vogon_jeltz | that's not IRC :) |
| 02:15:06 | captain_proton | well if you're just hanging out here you shouldn't get any of that |
| 02:15:12 | vogon_jeltz | IRC, for the most part, is very subdued |
| 02:15:12 | gerbil | lol--seems so tome |
| 02:15:16 | gerbil | lol--seems so tome |
| 02:15:22 | vogon_jeltz | stop repeating yourself |
| 02:15:22 | vogon_jeltz | stop repeating yourself |
| 02:15:35 | gerbil | i will compy--i will be assimilated |
| 02:15:41 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 02:15:50 | vogon_jeltz | btw, you should come join #meq |
| 02:15:53 | gerbil | stupid web client refresh rate |
| 02:16:16 | captain_proton | gerbil: download mIRC |
| 02:16:28 | vogon_jeltz | a wise IRCer once said: "'Tis better to let some things go unsaid than to piss the hell out of the chanops." |
| 02:16:50 | vogon_jeltz | mwahahaha... netsplit |
| 02:17:13 | dang | mIRC works well for me, a windows dummy |
| 02:17:18 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 02:17:40 | vogon_jeltz | wonders why he and captain_proton don't have ops in this channel |
| 02:19:12 | gerbil | sosolly to offend protocoloh great ones |
| 02:19:30 | vogon_jeltz | heh... np |
| 02:19:32 | gerbil | am downloading virus--er program--now |
| 02:19:52 | captain_proton | wb |ks| |
| 02:19:53 | vogon_jeltz | would like to point out that X-Chat for Windows is a damn sight better than mIRC |
| 02:20:03 | captain_proton | x-chat for windows?!?!? |
| 02:20:08 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 02:20:25 | vogon_jeltz | http://www.xchat.org/files/binary/win32/xchat-1.8.4a.exe |
| 02:20:29 | gerbil | mIRC is old web--future is Microsoft--comply! |
| 02:20:53 | captain_proton | yeah i would go with xchat gerbil |
| 02:21:50 | gerbil | arrrgh--it gave me web based version--what is channel? |
| 02:21:58 | captain_proton | #meq |
| 02:22:16 | gerbil | i mean dumb address thing wants from me |
| 02:22:26 | captain_proton | the server? |
| 02:22:57 | vogon_jeltz | damn... services are down |
| 02:23:18 | vogon_jeltz | oh, crap... I shouldn't have said that; cappy can deny me ops in #meq :/ |
| 02:23:23 | vogon_jeltz | shouldn't have said that either |
| 02:23:29 | gerbil | hang on--i have to install this on web site--need other one now |
| 02:23:45 | captain_proton | starts editing his ban list again |
| 02:23:55 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 02:24:00 | gerbil | heeeeey |
| 02:24:07 | vogon_jeltz | I'll give you ops again when ChanServ and NickServ are back, cappy |
| 02:24:07 | dang | d@mn and cr@p are gone to bed |
| 02:24:22 | gerbil | almost there |
| 02:25:09 | gerbil | ok--xchat is in--thnaks for link whoever gave me |
| 02:25:15 | vogon_jeltz | np :) |
| 02:25:25 | vogon_jeltz | you'll have to get the GTK+ library, tho |
| 02:25:32 | vogon_jeltz | it's somewhere at www.gimp.org, IIRC |
| 02:25:34 | captain_proton | bans vogon_jeltz |
| 02:25:51 | gerbil | i am emailing nuclear device to u now jetz |
| 02:26:06 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 02:26:16 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: OK, OK, I'll give you ops again |
| 02:26:32 | gerbil | help me mr wizard! |
| 02:26:36 | captain_proton | unbans vogon_jeltz |
| 02:26:41 | vogon_jeltz | heh... just a sec, gerb |
| 02:26:55 | gerbil | I don'twanna set web page up or go get libraries |
| 02:27:08 | gerbil | <hates irc> |
| 02:28:28 | captain_proton | sooo |
| 02:28:31 | captain_proton | gerbil - your ideas? |
| 02:28:50 | gerbil | oh--we are doing that here now? |
| 02:29:12 | gerbil | is it safe? |
| 02:29:41 | captain_proton | it'd be better if you could join #meq, but it should be safe |
| 02:29:51 | vogon_jeltz | ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/win32/gimp-setup-20001226.zip |
| 02:30:02 | gerbil | ok--we need an initiation test--like score so many points vs X number of mechs in time game or not qualified |
| 02:30:44 | vogon_jeltz | current members exempt? :) |
| 02:30:54 | captain_proton | initiation test vogon_jeltz |
| 02:31:07 | vogon_jeltz | I know ;) |
| 02:31:27 | vogon_jeltz | but I wouldn't pass any test you threw at me :) |
| 02:33:14 | captain_proton | :) |
| 02:33:25 | captain_proton | how about this test: give me founder in #meq |
| 02:33:31 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 02:33:34 | vogon_jeltz | I can't do that either |
| 02:33:37 | vogon_jeltz | services are down |
| 02:33:54 | captain_proton | when they come back up |
| 02:34:01 | vogon_jeltz | I *might* |
| 02:34:17 | vogon_jeltz | if you don't abuse your power to kick/ban me at a moment's notice ;) |
| 02:34:23 | captain_proton | i won't |
| 02:34:25 | Gerbil | can we just gotomy server |
| 02:34:30 | captain_proton | sure i guess |
| 02:34:32 | Gerbil | ? |
| 02:34:40 | vogon_jeltz | OK, just a sec |
| 02:34:46 | Gerbil | thanks--been bumped 3x sofar |
| 02:35:14 | vogon_jeltz | server is? :) |
| 02:35:40 | captain_proton | how about i start a private? my net is faster than yours gerbil |
| 02:35:55 | Gerbil | 24.247.30.138 5155 |
| 02:35:58 | Gerbil | 24.247.30.138 5155 |
| 02:36:08 | Gerbil | braggart |
| 02:36:22 | captain_proton | ok - we'll go you yours gerb |
| 02:36:36 | dang | may i? |
| 02:36:53 | Gerbil | sure--np |
| 02:37:09 | Gerbil | it has no more than 15 telpeorts too |
| 02:37:09 | dang | can you assess my contribution to lag when i connect? |
| 02:37:25 | Gerbil | its up now too |
| 02:37:34 | Gerbil | sure |
| 02:38:13 | dang | do you run the irc client as well as bz? |
| 02:38:40 | dang | guess not |
| 03:36:00 | iLLf8d | can someone tell me where I can get the latest server source? seems when I get the daily snapshot theres no ./config for bzfs and the make fails cause theres not much there I did run the config script with Linux to set it up too, seems sourceforge only mentions 1.7e2 not e3 |
| 03:36:01 | iLLf8d | ??? |
| 03:36:09 | firegod | cvs |
| 03:36:19 | captain_proton | hi guys |
| 03:36:26 | firegod | make linux/<arch> |
| 03:36:27 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 03:36:30 | iLLf8d | I tried that |
| 03:36:35 | iLLf8d | huh? |
| 03:36:38 | iLLf8d | whait |
| 03:36:48 | vogon_jeltz | actually, it's make linux-i386 |
| 03:36:50 | iLLf8d | uhm yeah I did that what about the /<arch> though |
| 03:36:53 | vogon_jeltz | (or whatever) |
| 03:36:57 | iLLf8d | I did |
| 03:36:58 | firegod | whatever your arch is |
| 03:37:03 | captain_proton | make linux works - default is i386 |
| 03:37:04 | iLLf8d | make Linux (it said UNIX) also |
| 03:37:10 | iLLf8d | yeah it didn't work |
| 03:37:10 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:37:11 | firegod | ah, i'm ppc. |
| 03:37:28 | iLLf8d | I got the daily snapshot one |
| 03:37:40 | iLLf8d | should I get the cvs from sourceforge instead |
| 03:37:45 | iLLf8d | the daily was a tar.gz |
| 03:37:57 | captain_proton | i would |
| 03:38:00 | iLLf8d | whichever worked for bzedit |
| 03:38:07 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 03:38:07 | iLLf8d | just not for bzfs hmm |
| 03:38:24 | iLLf8d | cvs is what I used for bzedit |
| 03:38:26 | iLLf8d | worked fine |
| 03:38:35 | captain_proton | bzedit is not bzflag |
| 03:38:35 | vogon_jeltz | if you want mucho fun, use the compile farm on SourceForge to make it ;) |
| 03:38:39 | iLLf8d | actually I had to comment something outta the makefile |
| 03:38:40 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:38:46 | iLLf8d | it was reporting it as not found anyway |
| 03:38:59 | iLLf8d | yeah I know |
| 03:39:07 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:39:09 | vogon_jeltz | you fool! that's what makes it work! |
| 03:39:12 | iLLf8d | compile farm hmm |
| 03:39:20 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 03:39:24 | iLLf8d | what? |
| 03:39:30 | vogon_jeltz | the thing you commented out |
| 03:39:33 | iLLf8d | no heh |
| 03:39:38 | iLLf8d | bzedit wouldn't compile with it |
| 03:39:49 | captain_proton | without what?? |
| 03:40:00 | captain_proton | or with what? |
| 03:40:47 | iLLf8d | #depcomp = $(SHELL) $(top_srcdir)/depcomp |
| 03:40:49 | iLLf8d | that |
| 03:40:59 | iLLf8d | I had to remove that it would say depcomp not found |
| 03:41:22 | iLLf8d | but it works besides that transporter bug ... |
| 03:41:27 | iLLf8d | so its all good |
| 03:44:13 | iLLf8d | neener@lucifer:~/bzflag/src/bzfs$ make |
| 03:44:13 | iLLf8d | /usr/bin/g++ -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -DHALF_RATE_AUDIO -DXF86VIDMODE_EXT -DXIJOYSTICK -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -Wall -W -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -m486 -DVERSION=10705003 -DROBOT -DINSTALL_DATA_DIR=\"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/bzflag/data\" -I../../include -DNDEBUG -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fnonnull-objects -fexpensive-optimizations -c bzfs.cxx |
| 03:44:13 | iLLf8d | bzfs.cxx:377: warning: overflow on truncation to unsigned integer |
| 03:44:13 | iLLf8d | make: *** No rule to make target `../../lib/libNet.a', needed by `../../bin/bzfs'. Stop. |
| 03:44:18 | iLLf8d | bummer |
| 03:44:32 | captain_proton | weird |
| 03:44:43 | iLLf8d | didn't get very far did it |
| 03:44:45 | iLLf8d | thats bzfs |
| 03:44:57 | vogon_jeltz | mwahahahahahaha |
| 03:45:05 | vogon_jeltz | you need to make the whole source tree |
| 03:45:12 | iLLf8d | uhm? |
| 03:45:23 | vogon_jeltz | libNet.a is something made up in src/common |
| 03:45:24 | iLLf8d | in the parent path I did make linux-i386 |
| 03:45:25 | BZFlag | cd ../.. make |
| 03:45:28 | BZFlag | cd ../.. ; make |
| 03:45:37 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag! |
| 03:45:40 | BZFlag | heya |
| 03:45:41 | vogon_jeltz | hi, Tim! :) |
| 03:46:16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: its amazing how resistant the bzflag community is to change |
| 03:46:26 | iLLf8d | so if I make from the top it'll make all? ie bzfs etc... |
| 03:46:40 | iLLf8d | huh? |
| 03:46:42 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 03:46:53 | iLLf8d | whose resistant? |
| 03:46:57 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:47:01 | captain_proton | all the players |
| 03:47:04 | captain_proton | most anyway |
| 03:47:06 | iLLf8d | the easiest way to fix it is |
| 03:47:21 | iLLf8d | give those who go along with the new devels special weapons heh |
| 03:47:24 | iLLf8d | jjk |
| 03:47:25 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:47:27 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 03:47:36 | iLLf8d | you will be assimilated =P |
| 03:48:25 | vogon_jeltz | wishes Tribes2 had less-abstracted world design |
| 03:48:36 | vogon_jeltz | you can't put down primitives, only pre-fabbed buildings |
| 03:48:39 | iLLf8d | how is tribes 2? |
| 03:48:52 | vogon_jeltz | sweetest game *ever* (possibly behind BZFlag) |
| 03:48:52 | iLLf8d | better then bzflag? |
| 03:48:54 | iLLf8d | jjk heh |
| 03:49:19 | iLLf8d | has never played tribes or everquest halflife or even quake for that matter |
| 03:49:35 | vogon_jeltz | T2 is an incredibly fun game |
| 03:49:51 | iLLf8d | can people cheat? |
| 03:49:57 | vogon_jeltz | you can drive tanks, gravcycles, pilot bombers, fighters, and transports... |
| 03:50:03 | vogon_jeltz | no, it's cheat-proofed |
| 03:50:16 | iLLf8d | the reason I stopped playing online games is back when mechwarrior was online i'd come up against invincible opponents |
| 03:50:18 | iLLf8d | it sucked |
| 03:50:20 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 03:50:30 | captain_proton | ph3@r the meq-warriors! |
| 03:50:46 | vogon_jeltz | and there's always the ever-present running around in big battlesuits with awesomely powerful weps |
| 03:51:00 | iLLf8d | If I had the knowhow i'd soooooooo be working on a netmechish package |
| 03:51:02 | vogon_jeltz | (not like MechWarrior) |
| 03:51:07 | vogon_jeltz | you're only about 4 meters tall |
| 03:51:30 | iLLf8d | i'd make it similar to bzflag |
| 03:51:33 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 03:51:36 | vogon_jeltz | you can do that |
| 03:51:37 | iLLf8d | fast paced nobrainer |
| 03:51:43 | vogon_jeltz | even to Tribes2 |
| 03:51:54 | vogon_jeltz | you can make a hell of a map, too |
| 03:52:05 | vogon_jeltz | about 2 kilometers on a side |
| 03:52:22 | iLLf8d | is there a patch to give everyone high speed on a field? |
| 03:52:23 | vogon_jeltz | fairly-well-subdivided polygonal terrain |
| 03:52:29 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: no |
| 03:52:30 | iLLf8d | thinks the games would rock with that |
| 03:52:39 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: such a patch is not possible unless all the clients have it |
| 03:52:51 | iLLf8d | you can't tell the server to say go fast heh |
| 03:52:52 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 03:52:54 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: (at least with the current protocol) |
| 03:53:07 | iLLf8d | bzflag needs a new protocol |
| 03:53:19 | vogon_jeltz | that's targeted for 2.0 |
| 03:53:28 | iLLf8d | every feature people talk about all I hear is the protocol etc.... |
| 03:53:29 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 03:53:34 | vogon_jeltz | (to be released Q3 2050) |
| 03:53:42 | iLLf8d | NOT FUNNY |
| 03:53:43 | captain_proton | http://meq.babylonia.flatirons.org |
| 03:53:52 | captain_proton | its true though :P |
| 03:53:56 | iLLf8d | right after freebsd5.0 |
| 03:54:14 | iLLf8d | http://meq.babylonia.flatirons.org/ huh? |
| 03:54:26 | BZFlag | as part of freebsd5 ;-) |
| 03:54:26 | vogon_jeltz | heh... that's a l33t page, cappy |
| 03:54:32 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 03:54:35 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 03:54:43 | captain_proton | just means i ran the makeuser program :) |
| 03:54:45 | iLLf8d | I like the ones like my buddies |
| 03:55:01 | BZFlag | BZFlag, the OS. |
| 03:55:03 | iLLf8d | apache server 404 not found message platform is gameboy color server heh |
| 03:55:04 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you'll need to put your ass on the line on ezboard |
| 03:55:13 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: people are bitching about XML |
| 03:55:18 | captain_proton | they are? |
| 03:55:24 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: and I don't know what to say 'bout it |
| 03:55:26 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: yes |
| 03:55:35 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: they're saying it'll make things worse |
| 03:56:04 | captain_proton | what forum? |
| 03:56:06 | iLLf8d | it'll make things worse |
| 03:56:14 | vogon_jeltz | pub33.ezboard.com/bbzflag |
| 03:56:14 | iLLf8d | heh xml for what? |
| 03:56:24 | vogon_jeltz | pub33.ezboard.com/fbzflagfrm1, IIRC |
| 03:56:25 | iLLf8d | the map files? |
| 03:56:28 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: no |
| 03:56:31 | iLLf8d | xml is bogus |
| 03:56:38 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: initial client <-> server handshaking |
| 03:56:55 | iLLf8d | uhm I don't see where xml would apply there |
| 03:57:07 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: read cappy's whitepaper |
| 03:57:18 | iLLf8d | is it on the board? |
| 03:57:25 | vogon_jeltz | no, the wiki |
| 03:57:26 | iLLf8d | isn't all bzflag link savy |
| 03:57:38 | BZFlag | I don't think XML makes things better or worse. |
| 03:58:02 | BZFlag | extra effort to change over, but it might be easier to debug once it's done. |
| 03:58:10 | iLLf8d | I was joking heh whats a wiki? |
| 03:58:13 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe |
| 03:58:20 | BZFlag | I don't think xml will ever be used for game play |
| 03:58:37 | iLLf8d | as in the scripting language? |
| 03:58:50 | captain_proton | it shouldn't - xml even compressed is too big for game play |
| 03:59:01 | captain_proton | which thread vogon_jeltz? |
| 03:59:02 | iLLf8d | like html but much bulkier with custom extensions that break its functionality for those who don't have those customization? |
| 03:59:18 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I 4got :P |
| 03:59:22 | captain_proton | well find it |
| 03:59:31 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: xml is just a way of structuring data |
| 03:59:45 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I'd start a new thread to fix peoples' fears |
| 03:59:51 | captain_proton | perhaps we should just say sgml - xml seems to be scaring the natives |
| 04:00:09 | vogon_jeltz | let's say it's a complete SGML DTD |
| 04:00:24 | vogon_jeltz | loves acronyms |
| 04:01:06 | BZFlag | wishes folks would concentrate on useful changes. |
| 04:01:22 | captain_proton | xml would be useful - if only for debugging purposes |
| 04:01:53 | vogon_jeltz | j00 R 0wn3d by f33ping cr33tur3ism |
| 04:02:03 | BZFlag | xml is not very easy to debug when compressed. =/ |
| 04:02:35 | captain_proton | <thunk> |
| 04:02:41 | iLLf8d | hmm I was reading the page |
| 04:03:06 | iLLf8d | I think i'd have to look at the code to determine how the protocol works now to understand why it would make any difference xml or not |
| 04:03:21 | iLLf8d | and I doubt i'd comprehend enough to make it worth the effort |
| 04:03:45 | BZFlag | the current is not as extensible as it could be, but it's ok. |
| 04:03:47 | captain_proton | any thoughts about a dynamic update thingy? where if a server uses a new flag the client could patch itself? |
| 04:03:57 | captain_proton | we'd have to adress security though :P |
| 04:04:02 | vogon_jeltz | oh, man... you'd have to get into sandboxing things :P |
| 04:04:22 | iLLf8d | yeah you know that is so gonna turd |
| 04:04:23 | vogon_jeltz | and you'd have to switch the game over to being fully scriptable |
| 04:04:26 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:04:37 | captain_proton | sounds like a bunch of useful changes :) |
| 04:04:46 | vogon_jeltz | oh, man... you want *more* cheaters? :) |
| 04:05:04 | captain_proton | yeah thats true... |
| 04:05:06 | vogon_jeltz | not to mention script kiddies and modmakers? |
| 04:05:24 | vogon_jeltz | (not that mods are bad, but you have to extend the scripting quite a bit...) |
| 04:05:33 | iLLf8d | mods are good |
| 04:05:58 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: to satiate the modmakers, we have to write in a hell of a lot of stuff that nobody'll ever use |
| 04:06:15 | captain_proton | thinks vogon_jeltz is lazy |
| 04:06:23 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: yes, I am |
| 04:06:35 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: bg/fg colors? |
| 04:06:47 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: what about them? |
| 04:06:56 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: what should they be? |
| 04:06:59 | iLLf8d | cool uhm camo on the tanks |
| 04:07:04 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: hmm... black on black |
| 04:07:06 | iLLf8d | I just noticed that the other day heh |
| 04:07:15 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: put a "Best Viewed With Lynx" at the bottom |
| 04:07:21 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:07:43 | iLLf8d | best viewed with a telnet http 1.0 / whatever call heh |
| 04:07:44 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: write it entirely in Pig-Latin l33t-speak Esperanto |
| 04:08:01 | iLLf8d | lynx why bother calling it a viewer |
| 04:08:04 | captain_proton | how about black on grey? |
| 04:08:30 | vogon_jeltz | |-\/4y 4R0145-p4Y... |
| 04:08:46 | captain_proton | translation? |
| 04:08:50 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:09:12 | vogon_jeltz | just a simple Esperantian predicate translated into Pig-Latin and then l33t-speak |
| 04:10:22 | captain_proton | so.... |
| 04:10:54 | captain_proton | check out the l33+ page now! |
| 04:11:23 | vogon_jeltz | how long 'till it gets 0wned by a script kiddie? :) |
| 04:11:53 | captain_proton | not too long considering babylonia is on a < 2.4.12 kernel |
| 04:12:03 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 04:12:19 | iLLf8d | hmm is there a script to deinstall old setup? my make install says no target etc.... |
| 04:12:44 | vogon_jeltz | The site babylonia.flatirons.org is running Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.4pl1 mod_perl/1.24_01 on Linux. |
| 04:12:51 | iLLf8d | the binaries are ther and are executable from the path though |
| 04:13:11 | captain_proton | yep |
| 04:13:28 | vogon_jeltz | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=babylonia.flatirons.org |
| 04:14:39 | captain_proton | we're our own CA :) |
| 04:14:47 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 04:15:38 | vogon_jeltz | d00d, we need an update to the meq page ;) |
| 04:15:54 | vogon_jeltz | I've read the content once or twice already |
| 04:15:54 | captain_proton | reload |
| 04:16:06 | vogon_jeltz | whoa... still weak |
| 04:16:14 | captain_proton | new content though |
| 04:16:38 | vogon_jeltz | ph34r cappy's Web content design skills |
| 04:16:50 | captain_proton | ph3@r cappy's laziness |
| 04:17:38 | iLLf8d | hmm so if I add #degree to my map files I should be good for degrees? do I need them at each rotation or just at top |
| 04:18:01 | vogon_jeltz | no, it's "degrees" (without the quotes) |
| 04:20:29 | iLLf8d | with/without the comment line? |
| 04:20:43 | vogon_jeltz | no hash |
| 04:21:39 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 04:21:52 | iLLf8d | thinks it worked with hash too go figure |
| 04:22:04 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:22:08 | iLLf8d | dunno why they must've went to default that happened to be the right direction |
| 04:22:17 | vogon_jeltz | it prolly does, but that's not how you're "supposed" to do it ;) |
| 04:22:26 | iLLf8d | lucifer:/home/neener# ./bzflag/bin/bzfs -i 192.168.0.3 -world /home/neener/telebz.map |
| 04:22:26 | iLLf8d | /home/neener/telebz.map(3) : invalid object type "degrees" |
| 04:22:27 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:22:33 | vogon_jeltz | hmm |
| 04:22:42 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yah doesn't seem to work |
| 04:22:46 | vogon_jeltz | did you apply my angle-backward-compatibility patch? :/ |
| 04:23:12 | iLLf8d | no however BZFlag said it should work if I use degrees (wonder if he meant with patch too) |
| 04:23:39 | vogon_jeltz | degrees are the default when it's not patched |
| 04:24:07 | BZFlag | iLLf8d: take out the degrees line and it'll work |
| 04:24:11 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 04:24:16 | iLLf8d | thats what it must've been |
| 04:24:22 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: dude, I want my old worlds to work, too :) |
| 04:24:27 | iLLf8d | the hash made it a comment so it wasn't just default then |
| 04:24:30 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 04:24:36 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: I don't want to be forced to use a "sane" and "logical" angle system |
| 04:24:44 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: where's that perl script to convert them? |
| 04:24:45 | iLLf8d | muwahaha |
| 04:24:46 | firegod | oh boy |
| 04:24:57 | iLLf8d | yeah I think we should make it a nauticle system |
| 04:25:01 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: my angle backward-compatibility patch to the source works mighty quick |
| 04:25:01 | BZFlag | heh |
| 04:25:11 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: but you rejected and closed it |
| 04:25:16 | iLLf8d | port starboard aft etc.. |
| 04:25:24 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 04:25:28 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: it changed to accept old worlds without a disclaimer line at the top, too |
| 04:25:47 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: it's a short term issue. folks can just grin and bear it. ;-) |
| 04:25:54 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: heh |
| 04:26:37 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: a couple of bugs got introduced into my TwinTowers map because of that format change |
| 04:26:52 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: and I can't eradicate them now because it's irrevocably changed in CVS |
| 04:28:20 | BZFlag | just an incorrect conversion? or some inaccuracy in the new format? |
| 04:28:57 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: incorrect conversion (but not by much) |
| 04:30:16 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: IIRC, it was caused by me rounding to 4 places rather than 5 |
| 04:30:29 | iLLf8d | oh man that rocks |
| 04:30:41 | iLLf8d | that whole radian thing blew |
| 04:30:44 | firegod | gah |
| 04:30:55 | firegod | captain_proton's server is borking me |
| 04:31:03 | captain_proton | huh firegod? |
| 04:31:05 | iLLf8d | just finished calculating all of the and writing them down to 6 sig digits heh |
| 04:31:15 | iLLf8d | bork bork bork |
| 04:31:16 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 04:31:21 | iLLf8d | sorry couldn't resist |
| 04:31:29 | firegod | captain_proton.. you were playing there a min ago? no? |
| 04:31:47 | firegod | my fps was down to 12 |
| 04:31:53 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:32:02 | firegod | was getting 60fps last night, same setup |
| 04:32:04 | firegod | what changed? |
| 04:32:14 | vogon_jeltz | j00r vidcard is being 0wned by meq |
| 04:33:44 | BZFlag | someone please write a perl script ?? |
| 04:33:49 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 04:33:55 | BZFlag | heh ;-) |
| 04:34:34 | BZFlag | ok, make bzedit auto convert on read if all angles are less that 2pi |
| 04:34:50 | vogon_jeltz | that's stupid, too |
| 04:34:55 | BZFlag | why? |
| 04:35:06 | vogon_jeltz | I can't think of one right now, but there are some situations I want 5 degree angles in |
| 04:35:32 | BZFlag | only 0-5 ? no others? |
| 04:36:59 | BZFlag | if ALL angles are < 2pi then convert. |
| 04:37:07 | vogon_jeltz | OK, fine then |
| 04:39:32 | firegod | captain_proton.. well, i know him from irc....... |
| 04:39:48 | BZFlag | I could do the same in bzfs but it should stay as small as possible. |
| 04:44:04 | BZFlag | maybe I'll write a perl script then. |
| 04:50:13 | firegod | screw this |
| 05:10:51 | iLLf8d | seems bzfs and bzflag running together are locking me up now |
| 05:10:52 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:10:59 | iLLf8d | anyway heh |
| 05:11:09 | iLLf8d | does bzedit have a degrees feature too? |
| 05:11:19 | iLLf8d | or is it just rads for now with bzedit |
| 05:20:26 | captain_proton | returns |
| 05:20:53 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:21:52 | captain_proton | i think its just rads right now |
| 05:25:53 | | pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519 |
| 05:25:53 | BZFlag | ibot: pi |
| 05:26:09 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag |
| 05:27:47 | captain_proton | wow i just realized firegod plays as W!z |
| 05:29:16 | captain_proton | eats his last muffin |
| 05:37:04 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:43:27 | iLLf8d | this blows |
| 05:43:28 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:47:58 | BZFlag | bzwcvt.pl is now in cvs |
| 05:48:33 | BZFlag | it converts rotations in worlds between radians and degrees. (so stop gripeing ;-) |
| 05:48:57 | BZFlag | it's in the misc directory. |
| 05:49:27 | BZFlag | questions? |
| 05:55:43 | iLLf8d | me |
| 05:55:49 | iLLf8d | just getting aggrivated |
| 05:55:54 | iLLf8d | I was looking at the bzedit code |
| 05:56:01 | iLLf8d | I can figure out some of whats going on |
| 05:56:19 | iLLf8d | I was hoping to modify the src to do degrees not rads |
| 05:56:42 | iLLf8d | I gotta get some more ink so that I can print it out and draw a bunch of arrows heh |
| 05:57:29 | iLLf8d | I guess I'm just getting frustrated that bzflag devs are not a devel team of 50 full time employees heh |
| 07:35:03 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching TV |
| 08:03:13 | BZFlag | rikers.org:6667 is now CTF from file |
| 08:04:07 | captain_proton | BZFlag: really? |
| 08:04:09 | captain_proton | takes a look |
| 08:05:20 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:05:37 | captain_proton | looks nice BZFlag |
| 08:06:45 | captain_proton | whats happening with the radar patch? |
| 08:07:50 | BZFlag | which one? I applied the shots as lines. |
| 08:08:19 | captain_proton | the important one |
| 08:09:00 | captain_proton | (cobraa1's patch) |
| 08:10:52 | BZFlag | still seg faults on linux. I posted a new stack trace, but did not debug further. |
| 08:11:02 | captain_proton | i use it on linux |
| 08:12:17 | captain_proton | never had it segfault |
| 08:12:55 | captain_proton | examines the stack |
| 08:14:58 | BZFlag | I have never seen it, cause whenever I apply it my client segfaults on startup. |
| 08:15:54 | captain_proton | its gorgeous |
| 08:16:50 | BZFlag | so I hear. I wish I knew what was wrong. |
| 08:17:32 | captain_proton | thats weird that its segfaulting in an inline function |
| 08:18:03 | BZFlag | you build with DEBUG=1 ? |
| 08:18:24 | captain_proton | sometimes |
| 08:20:37 | BZFlag | and the radar patches always work for you? hmmm. |
| 08:21:23 | captain_proton | and i even have a broken gcc |
| 08:22:35 | captain_proton | wonders if BZFlag has some screwed up libraries |
| 08:27:05 | captain_proton | ooh nice patch to apply :) |
| 08:27:11 | captain_proton | that has been bugging me for a while |
| 08:28:02 | BZFlag | which? /me is applying many. ;-) |
| 08:28:54 | captain_proton | the nemesis bug |
| 08:29:19 | captain_proton | ooh ooh ooh! i just found the bug in elevated bases combined with flags-on-buildings!!! |
| 08:30:49 | captain_proton | argh! foiled by sf! |
| 08:32:07 | BZFlag | foiled? |
| 08:32:39 | captain_proton | it gave me a db error on login |
| 08:32:50 | captain_proton | can I send you an updated flags-on-buildings patch to submit? |
| 08:32:58 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:57:52) |
| 08:33:19 | vogon_jeltz | what boog is this? :) |
| 08:34:08 | captain_proton | when landing a flag on a base, it doesn't check for base elevation |
| 08:34:56 | BZFlag | try again later on SF, or just post to -devel |
| 08:35:24 | vogon_jeltz | so, who exactly should take the blame for this bug? |
| 08:35:40 | BZFlag | I plan on applying all of flag on building, elevated, rotated bases at the same time. |
| 08:35:48 | captain_proton | if it is elevated, it should use 1 instead of base[i].size[2] |
| 08:36:04 | vogon_jeltz | aha... that's your bug |
| 08:36:13 | captain_proton | half - its in the flagbuilding.patch patch |
| 08:36:37 | vogon_jeltz | yes, but I can't take blame for a bug written in by a patch submitted after I released it |
| 08:36:54 | BZFlag | hehe, and why not? ;-) |
| 08:36:55 | captain_proton | ok i logged into sf but i can't add a file to the flagbuilding patch tracker |
| 08:36:59 | vogon_jeltz | hahah |
| 08:37:10 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: because I'm not clairvoyant |
| 08:37:17 | captain_proton | you could have updated it |
| 08:37:23 | BZFlag | well, dang it, become such. |
| 08:37:31 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I didn't even download your patch ;) |
| 08:37:48 | captain_proton | BZFlag: how do i add a file to vogon_jeltz's patch tracker? |
| 08:37:55 | BZFlag | well, I'm going to work on that set of patches another night. |
| 08:38:20 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: check the little checkboxy thing by the place where you'd enter a message |
| 08:38:28 | captain_proton | there is no such box |
| 08:38:44 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... |
| 08:38:53 | captain_proton | will DCC it to vogon_jeltz |
| 08:38:59 | BZFlag | "Check to Upload & Attach File:", choose the file and enter a description. |
| 08:39:11 | captain_proton | no such checkbox: only a comments field |
| 08:39:23 | captain_proton | reminds BZFlag that he is not a project admin |
| 08:39:23 | BZFlag | You might need to be logged in to SF, are you? |
| 08:39:50 | captain_proton | yes i'm logged in |
| 08:40:02 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I won't be able to add it any more easily than you can |
| 08:40:16 | captain_proton | yes you will: you own the tracker object |
| 08:40:34 | BZFlag | try now. |
| 08:40:46 | BZFlag | ie: refresh the page. |
| 08:41:05 | captain_proton | still only a box saying 'add a comment' |
| 08:41:38 | BZFlag | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444358&group_id=3248&atid=303248 <- here? |
| 08:42:08 | BZFlag | down near the bottom of the page? |
| 08:42:58 | captain_proton | right url |
| 08:43:07 | vogon_jeltz | done |
| 08:43:11 | vogon_jeltz | I added it myself |
| 08:43:14 | BZFlag | what's your SF name? |
| 08:43:16 | captain_proton | i have the initial desc & info, then a comments field, then all the added comments, then the file list |
| 08:43:18 | captain_proton | davidtrowbridge |
| 08:43:32 | captain_proton | superfly patch? |
| 08:43:40 | BZFlag | check now? |
| 08:43:48 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, it's late and I'm tired... want a better description? |
| 08:43:51 | captain_proton | ahhhh |
| 08:43:58 | BZFlag | that did it? |
| 08:44:06 | captain_proton | "my head....i'm so wasted..." |
| 08:44:08 | captain_proton | yep BZFlag |
| 08:44:33 | BZFlag | ok, me goes to change everyone's permisions... |
| 08:44:41 | vogon_jeltz | wants admin :) |
| 08:44:54 | captain_proton | so do i but i don't have it |
| 08:44:57 | captain_proton | wants founder |
| 08:45:06 | vogon_jeltz | wants servop |
| 08:45:15 | captain_proton | for my bz server? |
| 08:45:30 | vogon_jeltz | no, for this IRC server ;) |
| 08:45:34 | captain_proton | ohhh |
| 08:46:09 | captain_proton | BZFlag: think we'll have a release by a week from now? |
| 08:46:35 | vogon_jeltz | will start work on all the protocol-breaking crap he's been putting off once 1.7e[34] is released |
| 08:46:36 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:46:46 | captain_proton | goes to sleep |
| 08:46:55 | captain_proton | nick captain_proton|zZzZzZz |
| 08:47:01 | vogon_jeltz | fires a blowdart into the back of captain_proton's neck |
| 08:47:11 | captain_proton|zZzZzZz | falls asleep |
| 08:47:18 | vogon_jeltz | nn, cappy |
| 08:47:26 | vogon_jeltz | is away: playing some more T2 |
| 08:55:06 | BZFlag | happy? |
| 08:56:02 | BZFlag | I want to fix the two protocol bugs and then make a 1.7e4 release. |
| 08:59:10 | BZFlag | well, now I want to sleep. cya |
| 09:24:05 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:36:39) |
| 11:18:03 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sleep |
| 14:46:13 | Chestal | re |
| 21:01:41 | Ruudi | hi |
| 21:30:42 | sa | anybody here? |
| 21:33:44 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching baseball |
| 21:38:49 | iLLf8d | morning all |