irclog2html for bzflag on 2001.10.25

00:01:35captain_protonneeds to burn his redhat images
00:53:33BZFlagI plan to put up a broken server on rikers.org to try to figure out the rest of the playeridmasq issues.
00:53:55BZFlagthings will be wierd, scoring and stuff may not work right.
03:10:58iLLf8dlo all
03:11:09iLLf8di'm trying to build from source and i'm betting this error
03:11:32iLLf8dmake: *** No rule to make target `../../lib/libNet.a', needed by `../../bin/bzflag'.  Stop.
03:13:24iLLf8dis it a perl library?
03:13:26iLLf8dhmm
03:20:44vogon_jeltzno
03:20:55vogon_jeltzit means that some common library didn't build right
03:21:04vogon_jeltzgrep the output for "***"
03:26:33iLLf8duhm
03:26:54iLLf8dhmm
03:27:09iLLf8dwhenever I do a make it does that one line I take it I need to start over
03:31:49vogon_jeltzyes
03:38:02iLLf8dhmm
03:38:08iLLf8dI give up
03:38:14iLLf8dheh
03:38:25iLLf8dI don't have trouble building most packages just bzflag it seems
03:53:37vogon_jeltzwhat OS is this, illf8d?\
03:53:44vogon_jeltz(omit the \)
03:53:57iLLf8dlinux
03:53:57iLLf8dheh
03:54:09vogon_jeltzhas no problems on Linux 2.4.12 + GLibC 2.2.3
03:55:28iLLf8di've got glibc 2.2 and 2.1
03:55:35iLLf8dnot sure if it has a .3 or not
03:55:45iLLf8dsame kernel
03:56:06iLLf8di've built it in the past
03:56:17iLLf8dit just seems like its been hit or miss the last few times
03:57:27vogon_jeltzwhat GCC?
03:57:47iLLf8duhm checking
03:58:09iLLf8d3.0 and 2.95 I think
04:00:10captain_protoniLLf8d: cd ../..; make
04:01:11iLLf8dyou mean top level right?
04:01:29captain_protonyes
04:01:32iLLf8dI closed the window a long time ago heh
04:01:59iLLf8dok what do you want to see?
04:02:14captain_protonwell, you have a root bzflag directory
04:02:19captain_protonin which you are located in src/bzflag
04:02:21captain_protoncorrect?
04:02:32captain_protonso your pwd is bzflag/src/bzflag
04:02:36iLLf8dI have the cvs co
04:02:52captain_protonwhen you do your make, what is your pwd
04:02:54iLLf8dI did a make linux-i386
04:02:56iLLf8din top level
04:03:00captain_protonthen what did you do?
04:03:12iLLf8dthen cd' to bzflag/src/bzflag and did a make
04:03:29captain_protondon't do the cd
04:03:32captain_protonjust do a make
04:03:42iLLf8dI've tried it that way too and its taken a crap also
04:03:46captain_protonthe bzflag make depends on some generic libraries used for the entire project
04:03:48iLLf8dwill start over then show you the errors
04:03:48vogon_jeltzheh... it shouldn't
04:04:07captain_protonvogon_jeltz: actually, its a nice cross-platform way of doing everything
04:04:47iLLf8dwell i'm almost done with the cvs
04:05:03iLLf8dwhat do I need to do to cat my build output to a file so you can see it?
04:05:09iLLf8d>> /tmp/output?
04:05:11BZFlagmakes probably only work at the top level.
04:05:28BZFlagmake DEBUG=1 2>&1 | tee foo.log
04:05:38iLLf8dok
04:05:40captain_protonthinks bzflag should use the GNU autotools
04:05:55iLLf8dcvs done
04:05:56BZFlagcaptain_proton is welcome to convert bzflag to autoconf/automake
04:06:12captain_protonhas little time to do such things
04:06:30iLLf8dstart with make linux-i386; make DEBUG=1 2>&1 | tee foo.log; ?
04:06:31BZFlagdoesn't either. but he did open a SF bug to that effect.
04:06:35iLLf8dright?
04:06:41BZFlagiLLf8d: yes.
04:10:19vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: I was saying it shouldn't take a crap... :)
04:11:10iLLf8dlucifer:/home/neener/bzflag/bin# ls -l
04:11:11iLLf8dtotal 732
04:11:11iLLf8d-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     neener     245144 Oct 24 22:04 bzfls
04:11:11iLLf8d-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     neener      72870 Oct 24 22:06 bzfrelay
04:11:11iLLf8d-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     neener     413919 Oct 24 22:04 bzfs
04:11:11iLLf8dlucifer:/home/neener/bzflag/bin#
04:11:14iLLf8dyup it dumped
04:11:16iLLf8dheh
04:11:39iLLf8dglthread.o(.text+0x75): undefined reference to `pthread_getspecific'
04:11:39iLLf8d/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glthread.o): In function `_glthread_SetTSD':
04:11:39iLLf8dglthread.o(.text+0xa8): undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific'
04:11:39iLLf8dcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
04:11:39iLLf8dmake[3]: *** [../../bin/bzflag] Error 1
04:11:43vogon_jeltzhahahah
04:11:47iLLf8da bunch of crap like that before error
04:11:50vogon_jeltzlooks like something's borked
04:12:13vogon_jeltzponders why the hell -lpthread isn't in the Makefile
04:12:16captain_protonthinks iLLf8d doesn't have a correct pthread library
04:12:32iLLf8duhm?
04:12:55captain_protontry adding -lpthread to the libs in Make-common
04:14:00BZFlagyour GL libs require pthreads? hmm...
04:14:13vogon_jeltz'course, that'll break it if you put it on another platform, but if you don't have the wherewithal to do this on your own, you shouldn't be porting anything =)
04:14:26vogon_jeltzBZFlag: POSIX threads 0wn j00
04:14:30iLLf8dmy glinfo or whatever the command is nvidia stuff
04:14:33vogon_jeltz=P
04:14:46captain_protoniLLf8d: the nvidia libs don't depend on pthreads
04:14:47vogon_jeltziLLf8d: what driver version?
04:14:59vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: IIRC, the old ones did
04:15:01BZFlagahh, I think I heard something about nvidia and pthreads on the xf86 list.
04:15:14iLLf8dserver glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
04:15:14iLLf8dserver glx version string: 1.2
04:15:15iLLf8dserver glx extensions:
04:15:15iLLf8dclient glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
04:15:15iLLf8dclient glx version string: 1.2
04:15:26vogon_jeltzhmm... that doesn't tell us anything =)
04:15:29iLLf8dglu version: 1.3
04:15:29iLLf8dOpenGL version string: 1.2.2
04:15:33iLLf8dI dunno
04:15:34iLLf8dheh
04:15:38iLLf8dtell me how I figure it out
04:15:39BZFlagldd /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.*so*
04:15:42vogon_jeltzyeah
04:15:42captain_protoniLLf8d: cat /proc/nv/card0 |grep NVRM
04:15:43vogon_jeltzthx
04:16:00iLLf8dNVRM Version: 1.0-1541
04:16:00iLLf8d]
04:16:04vogon_jeltzargh
04:16:07captain_protonhmmm ok
04:16:09vogon_jeltzthat's the new driver, all right
04:16:31BZFlagldd /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.*so* ?
04:16:36vogon_jeltzdoes the "Mesa uses a newer version of the OpenGL specs than the nVidia drivers" dance
04:16:43iLLf8dlucifer:/home/neener# /usr/bin/ldd /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.*so*
04:16:43iLLf8dldd: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so: No such file or directory
04:17:04vogon_jeltzldd /usr/lib/libGL.so*
04:17:21iLLf8dits a long list
04:17:23iLLf8dwhatya want
04:17:27vogon_jeltzldd /usr/lib/libGL.so* | grep pthread
04:17:31iLLf8dlike one term height
04:17:46iLLf8dnada
04:17:51vogon_jeltz:/
04:17:53captain_protonvogon_jeltz: what does that dance look like?
04:18:02BZFlagadd -L/usr/lib before -L/usr/X11R6/lib
04:18:15iLLf8duhm
04:18:17vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: it's essentially me kicking my old TNT2 Vanta across the room several times
04:18:25iLLf8dwhere we talking about?
04:18:30captain_protonlol
04:20:24BZFlagmodify PLDOPTS in configs/config-linux to be:  PLDOPTS  = -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib
04:21:39vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: point your visual receptors at mesa3d.sourceforge.net
04:21:46vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: Mesa now supports OpenGL 1.3
04:22:32captain_protonvogon_jeltz: nvidia supports 1.3 in windows (including the SDK)
04:22:39vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: heh
04:22:40captain_protonit won't be long until linux does too
04:22:42iLLf8dok then what make linux-i386 and make blahblah again?
04:22:51vogon_jeltzmake linux-i386; make all
04:23:07vogon_jeltzor just make on the second one
04:23:21iLLf8dwill the i386 read the config-linux too
04:23:27vogon_jeltzyes
04:23:35BZFlagjust "make" would be fine too.
04:23:44BZFlagor make DEBUG=1   ;-)
04:23:45vogon_jeltzheh... is there an echo in here?
04:23:56vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: did you see tonight's Enterprise?
04:24:10captain_protonno - opera rehearsal
04:24:17BZFlagvogon_jeltz: I meant just "make", no need for make linux-i386
04:24:23iLLf8dhmm that was fast looks like it finished
04:24:27iLLf8dlemme point it to the right data files
04:24:32vogon_jeltzBZFlag: it goes wacky if you say just make
04:24:36BZFlagjust watched the Undersiders
04:24:42captain_protonleaves
04:25:06BZFlagvogon_jeltz: as long as you have done the make linux-i386 once, you don't need to do it again.
04:25:19BZFlagit copies configs/<foo> to config-sys
04:25:20|ks|opera? ooooh...
04:25:41BZFlagthe Novans will get you.
04:25:47vogon_jeltzBZFlag: oh, I forgot he had already configured it =)
04:26:50vogon_jeltzneeds the ability to rotate objects 3-dimensionally in BZFlag :/
04:27:07vogon_jeltzthat alone would bring me back from the dark side of Tribes2 :D
04:27:59iLLf8dwoa its so fucked up
04:28:00iLLf8dlol
04:28:00iLLf8dheh
04:28:03iLLf8dyou should see it
04:28:09iLLf8dI put on all the graphics options
04:28:13iLLf8dheh
04:28:21iLLf8ddepth complexity and my pc hit a hole
04:28:31iLLf8dtook 15 seconds or so before I could turn it off
04:28:46iLLf8done I turned that off it came back to normal speed but it looked all funky
04:29:02iLLf8dwireframey on what looked like a grid of space (stars and whatnot) heh
04:29:29iLLf8dand spit out statistics too cool
04:29:30iLLf8dhmm
04:29:51vogon_jeltzhahaha
04:29:56vogon_jeltzthat looks like the debug mode
04:30:21iLLf8dah it worked normal the third try
04:30:22iLLf8dheh
04:30:36iLLf8dI bet that depth complexity will do it again
04:31:03iLLf8dno it was me
04:31:04iLLf8dheh
04:31:11iLLf8dthey added options
04:31:15iLLf8di didn't even read them heh
04:31:22iLLf8dI just turned everything on
04:31:30iLLf8dmy bad
04:31:38iLLf8dthanks BZFlag
04:31:56iLLf8dI gotta put that in my info path (where I store changes and things I need to rememeber
04:32:00iLLf8d)
04:32:51iLLf8dvery cool
04:32:52iLLf8d=)
04:35:41iLLf8dhey that ip thing is a bad idea heh
04:35:53iLLf8dpeople will do denial of service attacks to knock you offline
04:38:18iLLf8dthat rocks
04:38:27iLLf8dglad you helped me I NEVER would've figure it out
04:38:31vogon_jeltzheh
04:38:42iLLf8dI wish there was a makefiles for dummies book
04:38:45iLLf8dI SO NEED ONE!
04:39:06iLLf8dthey're all mysterious
04:39:50iLLf8dI still gotta make that radar color change heh
04:40:01iLLf8dthe blue is white or so light it looks white in this version
04:40:06iLLf8don radar that is
04:42:08|ks|O'Reilly has a book on make, iirc
04:42:36vogon_jeltzProgramming Linux Games also has a nice makefile primer
04:43:13iLLf8dggp brb
04:54:28BZFlagthe IP shown at present on debug mode is just the server ip.
04:54:48BZFlagthat will change with my playerid patch though. ;-)
04:55:25BZFlagwell, "make clean;make" will get rid of debug mode. ;-)
04:57:01iLLf8dah
04:57:06iLLf8duhm looks interesting
04:57:08iLLf8dheh
04:57:25iLLf8duhm you guys need documentation help or something?
04:57:46iLLf8di'd sendya all the beer of the month deal but i'm outta work atm
04:59:08BZFlagiLLf8d: the wiki needs work. ;-)
05:00:14iLLf8dwiki
05:00:33iLLf8dwassat I asked that before and figured it out but forgot what it was
05:01:28BZFlaguser editable web pages.
05:01:34iLLf8dah
05:01:34BZFlaghttp://BZFlag.org/wiki/
05:01:37iLLf8dhmm
05:01:40iLLf8dperhaps I can help there
05:01:59BZFlagjust hit edit on the top of the screen, you may need to create a user account first.
05:02:14iLLf8dah cool
05:02:18iLLf8dphp also
05:02:19iLLf8d=)
05:02:51BZFlagyep. http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/ is an updated version of the wiki code.
05:03:20BZFlagthere are like 150 pages on TuxScreen, but only like 15 on BZFlag wiki.
05:03:41BZFlagI wish people put up more stuff there. clan pages etc, could all be there.
05:03:49iLLf8dok whats a valid wiki name heh
05:04:26BZFlagSomethingWith MoreThanOne CapitalLetter InIt
05:05:00BZFlagor you can put things like ZFlag%
05:05:05BZFlagor you can put things like %BZFlag%
05:07:55iLLf8dhmm i'm so trying to understand what this is heh
05:09:10BZFlagplay with it. just edit some pages and you will see.
05:09:15BZFlagit's cool.
05:09:17iLLf8dah
05:09:32iLLf8dwill try to run bzflag in the topic of freebsdhelp once or twice a week
05:09:39iLLf8dmay help to get some more users
05:10:51BZFlagcool.
05:11:23iLLf8dwill put it up there now
05:12:05BZFlagjust copying pages from the main site into the wiki might be a good idea. then we can edit/correct/update them there.
05:12:32iLLf8dwhat do you want as the url?
05:12:36iLLf8dbzflag.sourceforge.net?
05:12:40iLLf8dor what
05:16:13iLLf8dalrighty all set =)
05:16:25iLLf8dCheck out http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/ <- very cool online multiplayer opengl 3d tankbattle (fast action)
05:16:30iLLf8dthats what I added
05:18:17BZFlaghttp://BZFlag.org/
05:18:21iLLf8dok
05:18:23iLLf8dwill do
05:18:23you are TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps
05:18:23BZFlagibot: bzflag?
05:22:09iLLf8dno shit
05:22:12iLLf8dipaq at 6fps
05:22:13iLLf8dhmm
05:22:48iLLf8dhow is it in wireframes I wonder
05:36:25iLLf8dthe wireframes mode is interesting
05:36:40iLLf8dI take it that the computer is better at triangles then rectangles
05:36:58iLLf8dseems the only thing done with triangle is the flag part of the flags
05:43:55BZFlagOpenGL is mainly triangles.
05:44:20BZFlagiPAQ has no FPU and all the math is floats, so it's dog slow.
07:05:07captain_protonreturns
07:05:53vogon_jeltzhi, cappy
07:06:03vogon_jeltzpick up your copy of Windows XP yet?
07:06:54captain_protonno
07:07:03captain_protonyou?
07:07:17vogon_jeltzno
07:07:46captain_protonnew world is coming along nicely
07:07:59vogon_jeltzso is my T2 map
07:09:03captain_protonhopefully with this we'll get some real team play
07:09:07vogon_jeltzheh
07:12:13captain_protonreads gerbil's page to find out what the height for shot slits are
07:12:35vogon_jeltz1.34
07:12:37vogon_jeltz1.3, rather
07:12:53captain_protonhe says its 0.5
07:13:00vogon_jeltzhmm
07:14:10captain_protonyou'll be able to shoot between the tunnels and the buildings (both will have slits on the same levels)
07:17:24captain_protonhmmmm
07:17:30captain_protonneeds to work on learning to build stairs
07:17:52vogon_jeltzhehe
07:19:08vogon_jeltzis surprised that cappy hasn't learned anything from his mass stair-fu usage in TwinTowers
07:22:22captain_protonthe problem is my levels are only 10m apart
07:28:05captain_protongoes to sleep
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07:49:24iLLf8dhmm
07:49:28iLLf8dserver has unexpectedly dies
07:49:36iLLf8dseems to happen more often then it used too
07:49:47iLLf8dis that the proliferation of web traffic or the source code?
07:49:51vogon_jeltznot sure
07:50:01iLLf8djust lost 44 points
07:50:09iLLf8dafter losing 14
07:50:12iLLf8dsheesh
07:50:20iLLf8dmakes it hard to get up there anymore
07:50:32iLLf8dnot that i've ever broken a hundred
07:50:33iLLf8dnheh
07:50:46iLLf8dalthough I have been in the -20's at my worst
10:57:18vogon_jeltzis away: even the mightiest among us needs sleep... I'm not the mightiest, and I haven't had caffeine in 6 hours... 'nuff said
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17:44:22captain_protonhi |ks|
18:57:17|ks|morning
19:27:29iLLf8dmorning all
19:27:38iLLf8dks kicking my ass this morning
19:27:49iLLf8dhad me running from 0- -3 heh
19:27:55iLLf8d0 to -3 heh
19:28:11iLLf8ddickj
19:28:12iLLf8djjk heh
19:28:15iLLf8dkinda
19:28:16iLLf8d=P
19:28:30iLLf8dyou drive your tank like a woman
19:28:35iLLf8don pms
19:28:38iLLf8dheh
19:41:54|ks|was I playing you this morning? I was fighting so much lag, I didn't notice who was around...
19:42:06iLLf8di'm tankenstein online
19:42:07|ks|=)
19:42:13iLLf8dor warmoe
19:42:19iLLf8dmostly tankenstein lately
19:42:28|ks|oh yeah, I remembe seeing you
19:42:43iLLf8dmore like you remember killing me heh
19:43:29|ks|not specifically, no... just from periodically checking the scores to see who was a threat to me =)
19:44:23iLLf8dah
19:44:27iLLf8dyou were targeting heh
19:44:38iLLf8dthat new version showing flags is good/bad
19:44:51iLLf8dtakes some of the fun out
19:45:07|ks|sometimes... my usual goal is to make sure no one's killed me more than I've killed them...
19:45:19|ks|well, that and target whoever has a higher score than me =)
19:45:28iLLf8dah
19:45:29iLLf8dheh
19:45:33iLLf8djust likes to kill
19:45:35iLLf8dheh
19:45:40iLLf8dI dont' care who
19:45:51iLLf8dI like to reak havoc too
19:46:01iLLf8dI'm one of those shoot and move
19:46:15iLLf8dnot a relentless pursuit types
19:46:25|ks|it's a good strategy... shoot, then leave... don't give 'em a chance to shoot back =)
19:46:42|ks|that, and forget that whole "there's no honor in shooting someone in the back" thing =)
19:48:09iLLf8ddude doesn't make a difference here heh
19:48:14captain_protonreturns
19:48:37|ks|newlines
19:48:42iLLf8dI usually try to be all honoroable and not sit on gm/laser
19:48:50iLLf8dbut lately right after I drop them
19:48:53captain_protongoes to play a little bz
19:48:58iLLf8dothers come on and shoot the shit outta me
19:49:13|ks|there's nothing wrong with holding onto them... it's camping that bugs me...
19:49:15iLLf8dso now i'm planning on pounding the piss outta everybode relentlessly with them
19:49:23iLLf8dheh
19:49:29|ks|though on the plus side, campers are sitting ducks =)
20:19:17captain_protonhi BZFlag
20:20:22captain_protonhmmm
20:23:49captain_protonhi BZFlag
20:24:38iLLf8dlo BZFlag
20:56:11Valochehi
22:02:47captain_protonargh valoche left :P
22:02:53captain_protonBZFlag: why can't i build bz on windows?
22:05:10BZFlagyou don't have a compiler?
22:05:43BZFlagyou haven't read README.WIN32 ?

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