| 00:35:49 | ctl | has anyone noticed that sometimes it can be incredibly hard to kill tanks? |
| 00:36:03 | ctl | i.e. you can pump 12 hots directly into them at point blank range and they don't die? |
| 00:36:56 | vogon_jeltz | it's called *lag* :) |
| 03:20:58 | captain_proton | mmmmmmmm |
| 03:21:10 | vogon_jeltz | back? :) |
| 03:22:29 | captain_proton | went out for sushi with 2 friends |
| 03:22:44 | vogon_jeltz | mmmmmmmmm |
| 03:23:00 | captain_proton | it was, quote, "orgasmic" |
| 03:23:07 | vogon_jeltz | hahahaha |
| 03:23:19 | captain_proton | (one of the people with me said that) |
| 03:25:26 | captain_proton | some yummy fishies at that place :) |
| 03:28:00 | captain_proton | looks at a friends set of GNOME build scripts and is amused |
| 03:28:22 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 03:28:39 | captain_proton | specifically this line: |
| 03:28:50 | captain_proton | echo "SHIT HAS HAPPENED WHILE BUILDING $1" >> $masterfucklog |
| 03:28:54 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 03:29:23 | captain_proton | for our dist we're wanting to have a script that will build the entire thing |
| 03:29:52 | captain_proton | new package? replace the tarball, change the version string in a script, run over a weekend, burn the new iso |
| 03:30:09 | vogon_jeltz | hahahahaha |
| 03:30:35 | vogon_jeltz | your distro sucks |
| 03:30:40 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 03:32:31 | captain_proton | how so? |
| 03:33:24 | vogon_jeltz | heh... not everyone has a CD burner and a weekend to kill every time they want to upgrade, say, diff-utils |
| 03:33:36 | captain_proton | no - thats only to make a new version of the dist |
| 03:33:43 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 03:33:45 | captain_proton | if they want to upgrade anything, just build the package |
| 03:34:08 | vogon_jeltz | may I point out that nobody will have *any* clue what the hell the packages they're building require? |
| 03:34:27 | captain_proton | may I point out that anybody using this dist will have a clue what they are doing |
| 03:34:31 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 03:36:08 | ctl | vogon_jeltz: why does lag make players invincible? |
| 03:36:12 | vogon_jeltz | in addition, I'd like to point out that you're also not including e2fsprogs, ppp... |
| 03:36:35 | vogon_jeltz | ctl: they're not invincible, but they have moved past the shot from their point of view |
| 03:36:40 | captain_proton | e2fsprogs & ppp are not GNU - i've only decided on which GNU stuff to include so far |
| 03:36:55 | captain_proton | who needs ppp anyhow? |
| 03:36:57 | captain_proton | :) |
| 03:37:03 | vogon_jeltz | uhh, people who have *modems* |
| 03:38:01 | vogon_jeltz | and I have a clue what I'm doing, but you'd be surprised at the (lack of) quality in OSS documentation |
| 03:38:39 | captain_proton | if there's enough documentation to allow me to build a distribution, there's enough documentation to allow you to upgrade some random program |
| 03:38:57 | vogon_jeltz | uhh, you're stealing a good part of that documentation (I assume) from LFS |
| 03:39:22 | vogon_jeltz | and there is definitely *not* enough documentation (even to know what programs require) in most OSS software |
| 03:39:36 | captain_proton | If f(x,y) = 100(y + 1) represents the population density of a planar region on Earth, where x and y are measured in miles, find the number of people in the region bounded by the curves x=y^2 and x=2y - y^2 |
| 03:40:10 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... |
| 03:40:14 | captain_proton | actually all I looked at from LFS was that you build an environment statically first before building GNU |
| 03:41:00 | vogon_jeltz | hmmmmmm... |
| 03:43:49 | captain_proton | integral_0^1 ( integral_(y^2)^(2y-y2) 100(y+1) dx ) dy |
| 03:44:02 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I know... I'm working |
| 03:44:56 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... I can't figure it out... heh, just a pre-calc student |
| 03:45:08 | vogon_jeltz | I got as far as you wrote with my knowledge :) |
| 03:47:11 | captain_proton | integral_0^1 (200y - 200y^3) dy |
| 03:47:43 | captain_proton | 50 |
| 03:47:53 | vogon_jeltz | 50y^4 + 100y^2? |
| 03:48:05 | vogon_jeltz | or is it? :/ |
| 03:48:06 | captain_proton | yes |
| 03:48:10 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, OK :) |
| 03:49:27 | captain_proton | oh crap |
| 03:49:59 | vogon_jeltz | *really* needs to learn calc one of these days |
| 03:50:06 | captain_proton | sobs |
| 03:50:20 | vogon_jeltz | what's wrong? :/ |
| 03:50:46 | vogon_jeltz | *really* hopes it's not elliptic-integral-fu |
| 03:50:46 | captain_proton | change the cartesian integral into an equivalent polar integral, then evaluate: |
| 03:50:50 | vogon_jeltz | argh |
| 03:51:10 | vogon_jeltz | used to know how to do this |
| 03:51:16 | captain_proton | integral_-1^1 (integral_-sqrt(1-y^2)^sqrt(1-y^2) (x^2 + y^2) dx ) dy |
| 03:52:13 | captain_proton | hmmmm....volume of a 1/2 sphere :) |
| 03:52:36 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 03:52:39 | vogon_jeltz | l33t |
| 03:52:45 | vogon_jeltz | I can do *that* |
| 03:53:10 | captain_proton | integral_0^2pi ( integral_0^1 r dr ) dtheta |
| 03:53:10 | vogon_jeltz | if it's a unit sphere, it's 1/6 |
| 03:53:40 | captain_proton | pi! |
| 03:53:44 | vogon_jeltz | 1/6pi |
| 03:53:47 | vogon_jeltz | fine then |
| 03:54:01 | vogon_jeltz | is used to expressing things in terms of pi |
| 03:54:01 | captain_proton | only 5 more problems :/ |
| 03:54:09 | vogon_jeltz | too much working with radians, I guess :) |
| 03:57:04 | vogon_jeltz | updated his Web site today |
| 03:57:49 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz has a web site? |
| 03:58:10 | vogon_jeltz | heh... fortytwo.homeip.net |
| 03:58:52 | vogon_jeltz | would post a picture of himself, but he's trying to *increase* his hit count |
| 03:59:01 | captain_proton | NICE nimda counter! |
| 03:59:10 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 03:59:23 | vogon_jeltz | www.kryptolus.org/WorMeter.txt, IIRC |
| 03:59:32 | captain_proton | you jacked it off somebody else? |
| 03:59:33 | vogon_jeltz | whoop... .com, rather |
| 03:59:38 | vogon_jeltz | heh... it's GPLed |
| 03:59:41 | vogon_jeltz | but, yes |
| 04:00:25 | captain_proton | is disappointed |
| 04:00:33 | vogon_jeltz | I don't know Perl, man |
| 04:01:07 | vogon_jeltz | my finger daemon's broken, tho :/ |
| 04:02:13 | captain_proton | all you need is a shell script! |
| 04:02:24 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:02:32 | vogon_jeltz | I'm lazy |
| 04:03:10 | captain_proton | its one fscking line!!! |
| 04:03:19 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe |
| 04:05:53 | captain_proton | last problem! |
| 04:06:08 | captain_proton | "if life is a piece of shit, calculus III is the spoon" |
| 04:06:21 | captain_proton | -- Unknown (in the offensive fortunes) |
| 04:06:27 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:06:36 | vogon_jeltz | you've told me that one (inf+1) times |
| 04:07:29 | captain_proton | lol |
| 04:08:06 | captain_proton | Find the average value of the square of the distance from the point P9x, y) in the disk x^2+y^2 <= 1 to the boundary point (0, 1) |
| 04:08:09 | vogon_jeltz | l33t... I got my fingerd fixed up |
| 04:08:56 | captain_proton | = 4/9 |
| 04:10:53 | captain_proton | ok - /me is going to hang out with friends |
| 05:56:05 | iLL_afk | lo all |
| 05:56:13 | vogon_jeltz | hello |
| 05:57:07 | iLL_afk | anyone here working on the freebsd port |
| 05:57:15 | iLL_afk | or does it have a different maintainer |
| 05:58:16 | vogon_jeltz | IIRC, there is no freebsd port |
| 05:58:24 | iLL_afk | uhm |
| 05:58:26 | vogon_jeltz | or if so, it's not official |
| 05:58:26 | iLL_afk | IIRC? |
| 05:58:33 | vogon_jeltz | if I recall correctly |
| 05:58:34 | iLL_afk | hmm there is a port |
| 05:58:40 | iLL_afk | its uhm |
| 05:58:51 | iLL_afk | bzflag-1.7e.2 |
| 05:58:51 | iLL_afk | A multiplayer 3D tank battle game |
| 05:58:51 | iLL_afk | Maintained by: nsayer@FreeBSD.org |
| 05:58:51 | iLL_afk | Requires: Mesa-3.4.2_1, XFree86-3.3.6_10 |
| 05:58:51 | iLL_afk | Description : Sources : Package : Changes : Download |
| 05:58:57 | iLL_afk | dunno how old that is |
| 05:59:03 | iLL_afk | e.2 |
| 05:59:16 | vogon_jeltz | looks quite old... e2 is about 4 months ago |
| 05:59:30 | iLL_afk | think it'll compile in freebsd? |
| 05:59:48 | vogon_jeltz | mybe |
| 05:59:50 | vogon_jeltz | maybe, even |
| 06:00:26 | iLL_afk | you run a server? |
| 06:00:40 | iLL_afk | just asking cause i've got a few maps i've been working on heh |
| 06:00:40 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, off my freaking 56k modem |
| 06:00:47 | iLL_afk | oh heh |
| 06:00:48 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, right... ;) |
| 06:01:05 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:01:28 | iLLf8d | whats the port range of bzflag? |
| 06:01:36 | iLLf8d | is it just anything over 1024 |
| 06:02:02 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 06:02:09 | vogon_jeltz | or you can run it on a lower port if you're r00t |
| 06:02:18 | iLLf8d | I Mean uhm |
| 06:02:25 | iLLf8d | once you connect |
| 06:02:31 | iLLf8d | it tells you what port to reconnect too |
| 06:02:47 | iLLf8d | whats the range of listening per user client ports |
| 06:02:49 | vogon_jeltz | heh... that should be somewhere up in the 24,000s |
| 06:03:00 | iLLf8d | no of the listening socket for the redirect |
| 06:03:11 | iLLf8d | s/no/not |
| 06:03:37 | vogon_jeltz | the per-client ports are up in the high 20-or-30-thousands |
| 06:03:42 | vogon_jeltz | I forget the actual range, tho |
| 06:07:36 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 06:07:40 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:07:52 | iLLf8d | do you understand the code? |
| 06:08:00 | iLLf8d | i've been goofing with sockets |
| 06:08:12 | vogon_jeltz | somewhat |
| 06:08:21 | vogon_jeltz | not enough to be much of a help, tho |
| 06:09:24 | iLLf8d | I was just thinking it would be nice if we could fake it |
| 06:09:28 | iLLf8d | ie uhm |
| 06:09:42 | iLLf8d | assign 2 ip's to the same nick |
| 06:10:00 | iLLf8d | and have a progie that once bzflag tells it what port to connect too |
| 06:10:07 | iLLf8d | it just does a block all in on the rest |
| 06:10:52 | vogon_jeltz | uh-huh |
| 06:11:33 | iLLf8d | I wonder if it'll run in a jail |
| 06:11:37 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:11:39 | iLLf8d | hmms |
| 07:13:44 | captain_proton | returns |
| 07:14:20 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 07:14:24 | captain_proton | hi |
| 07:15:28 | captain_proton | goes to work on a build script |
| 07:18:37 | captain_proton | what is a compact city? |
| 07:19:03 | vogon_jeltz | huh? |
| 07:19:33 | captain_proton | its a city that can be guarded by finitely many near-sighted policemen! |
| 07:20:09 | captain_proton | (sorry, math joke) |
| 07:20:54 | vogon_jeltz | heheh |
| 07:23:23 | vogon_jeltz | bets meq.b.f.o doesn't have any content yet |
| 07:23:59 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:24:06 | vogon_jeltz | you got an ownership board up :) |
| 07:24:48 | captain_proton | yep :) |
| 07:24:58 | captain_proton | we need people other than me on it ;) |
| 07:25:12 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:25:42 | vogon_jeltz | thinks we should redesign our clan tag |
| 07:26:01 | vogon_jeltz | to |MEQ| or {MEQ} or -M|E|Q- or something |
| 07:26:42 | captain_proton | why? |
| 07:27:00 | vogon_jeltz | everybody does [blah]... we need to be different :) |
| 07:27:27 | vogon_jeltz | my Tribes2 clan does -H|S|R- |
| 07:27:33 | vogon_jeltz | and I like it :) |
| 07:29:25 | captain_proton | lol - i like the warning on your plan page :) |
| 07:31:14 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 07:31:46 | vogon_jeltz | the sad thing is *my* lame-ass Website has more content that meq's |
| 07:31:49 | vogon_jeltz | than, even |
| 07:32:52 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:32:59 | captain_proton | thats because i'm busy as hell and lazy too |
| 07:33:08 | captain_proton | if you want content check out flatirons.org |
| 07:33:36 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:35:28 | captain_proton | or if you want l33+-ass programming, go to http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/stats.php |
| 07:35:56 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 07:36:18 | captain_proton | that's right - eat it ;) |
| 07:37:06 | vogon_jeltz | that's l33+-ass programming, all right |
| 08:03:51 | captain_proton | you know what else is going to be l33t? this build script |
| 08:05:09 | captain_proton | it will build GNU for whatever platform you want :) |
| 08:05:51 | captain_proton | see - first, it builds you a cross-compiler |
| 16:18:53 | Chestal | hi ibot |
| 16:19:00 | | que tal, Chestal |
| 16:19:00 | Chestal | ibot, hello |
| 16:19:00 | captain_proton | hi Chestal |
| 16:19:07 | Chestal | hi cap |
| 16:19:12 | captain_proton | how goes it? |
| 16:19:15 | | chestal: i don't know |
| 16:19:15 | Chestal | ibot: where have you been? |
| 16:19:31 | Chestal | cap: oh, quite well, have spent the day shopping (clothes) |
| 16:19:36 | Chestal | now I'm tired |
| 16:19:46 | Chestal | and youself? |
| 16:19:50 | Chestal | yourself, even |
| 16:20:04 | Chestal | hmm, stock markets are down today |
| 16:20:05 | captain_proton | pretty good - working on a script to build GNU |
| 16:20:27 | Chestal | hmm, what exactly are you doing? building Linux fom scratch? |
| 16:20:44 | captain_proton | building a distro with a couple friends |
| 16:21:05 | Chestal | yald? |
| 16:21:13 | captain_proton | yald??? |
| 16:21:20 | Chestal | yet another linux distribution :-) |
| 16:21:24 | captain_proton | ahhh |
| 16:21:25 | captain_proton | yup |
| 16:21:28 | Chestal | what's cool about your distro? |
| 16:21:38 | captain_proton | ummmm |
| 16:21:48 | captain_proton | its gonna be like slack but optimized for speed? |
| 16:22:15 | Chestal | hmm, I never looked at slackware |
| 16:22:34 | Chestal | how do you do packages? source? binary? |
| 16:22:44 | captain_proton | slackware takes the attitude of "we'll give you some binaries, anything else is your business" |
| 16:26:15 | Chestal | I will try to make myself a tea |
| 16:28:09 | captain_proton | goes back to scripting |
| 17:06:05 | captain_proton | YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:06:34 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 17:06:43 | captain_proton | my script built a package :) |
| 17:07:03 | Chestal | heureka! :-) |
| 17:07:47 | captain_proton | now I copy that script 18 times and change a few things, and it sets up an environment to build GNU in |
| 17:22:38 | captain_proton | polishes his script-fu |
| 18:49:43 | ctl | hi |
| 18:49:46 | ctl | anyone here? |
| 18:50:47 | ctl | does anyone know who determines whether or not a tank is dead - the server, the guy who shoots him or the guy who is shot? |
| 18:53:10 | BZFlag | the guy who is shot. |
| 19:02:55 | captain_proton | we really need new netcode |
| 19:06:54 | Chestal | I think it's a good thing tht the victim checks, though |
| 19:07:14 | Chestal | has problems with basic algebra |
| 19:07:23 | Chestal | I want to compute the difference of two angles, hmm |
| 19:23:04 | ctl | well, the problem with the victim doing the decision is that lag makes people invincible |
| 19:23:16 | ctl | and there are so many instances of people being shot and then shooting others, then blowing up |
| 19:23:36 | ctl | having the server decide would definitely make for a much better feel to the game |
| 19:23:47 | ctl | still, it's a lot of fun |
| 19:23:54 | ctl | though I wish that jumping was faster |
| 19:24:09 | ctl | does anyone know how the decision was made as to how fast jumping happens? |
| 19:24:43 | ctl | captain_proton: I really like the board up at your server - it's a lot of fun |
| 19:25:32 | Chestal | hmm, faster jumping? what exactly do you mean? faster vertical speed? |
| 19:25:41 | Chestal | jumping sucks anyway, at least as server setting |
| 19:25:43 | ctl | Chestal: yes, going up and down faster than currently |
| 19:25:59 | ctl | Chestal: right now one more floats than jumps |
| 19:26:03 | Chestal | problem with server doing the checks: higher server load and peopel getting killed although from their point of view no bullet hit them |
| 19:26:20 | Chestal | jumping uses the usual earth gravity |
| 19:26:44 | Chestal | AFAIK |
| 19:26:56 | ctl | Chestal: well, the way to fix that is for people to freeze (or continue their current motion) when they get out of sync with the server - I believe that that's how other big multi-player games handle it |
| 19:27:27 | Chestal | you're always out of sync, it's just a matter of how much |
| 19:27:29 | ctl | Chestal: it's much better to get killed by things that don't seem like they shouldn't (since that happens anyway) then to constantly seeming to kill people but not |
| 19:27:37 | ctl | well, substantially out of sync |
| 19:27:51 | ctl | right now, there's a penalty for people on faster connections |
| 19:28:05 | Chestal | ctl: problem with bz is that it's very accurate, so a lag of as little as 200ms can be felt |
| 19:28:06 | ctl | the faster your connection, the more bullets kill you but your bullets don't kill others |
| 19:28:14 | Chestal | that's not quite correct |
| 19:28:29 | Chestal | if you'ev got a slow conenction (big lag) it's harder for you to hit other peopel, too |
| 19:28:40 | ctl | well, it is true that there's a lot of accuracy in bz |
| 19:28:45 | Chestal | only advantage for peopel with big lag it that their relative lag to other peopel doesn't vary that much |
| 19:29:02 | Chestal | I think there really cannot be much done about it |
| 19:29:17 | ctl | Chestal: well, the fact remains that other multi-player games do feel a lot better |
| 19:29:20 | ctl | like tribes |
| 19:29:21 | Chestal | playing is fun if lag fo rmost peopel is no more than 200ms |
| 19:29:31 | ctl | so it's not a theoretically impossible |
| 19:29:39 | Chestal | I never tried the other games |
| 19:29:57 | ctl | Chestal: I'm not comparing them in any sense besides pointing out that it is a theoretically soluable problem |
| 19:29:58 | Chestal | problem is each player has a different view of the world |
| 19:30:04 | Chestal | I don't think you can do much about it |
| 19:30:09 | ctl | Chestal: this is very true, and as you say it can never be perfect |
| 19:30:40 | Chestal | I stil think it's unsolvable. It might be possible to make it seem better, but I don't know how |
| 19:30:42 | ctl | Chestal: but I think that it's at least better for people to be notified when they're getting substantially out of sync with the rest of the game, rather than going along playing like normal and finding out that all of ti was useless |
| 19:31:22 | ctl | Chestal: I.e. that it's subjectively better to be told that you're not playing then to find out that your great move was pointless as it didn't really happen |
| 19:31:27 | Chestal | what's substantially out of sync? if msgs are delayed 300ms on average? |
| 19:31:41 | ctl | well, that's just statistical testing |
| 19:31:47 | Chestal | in practice lag is annoying, but you can adjust to a certain limit |
| 19:32:01 | ctl | but anything that allows tanks to be shot more than, say, 5 times at point blank range and never blow up is definitely too much |
| 19:32:18 | Chestal | try /lagstats |
| 19:32:18 | ctl | moreover, isn't there a problem with cheaters anyhow? |
| 19:32:23 | ctl | how do you do that? |
| 19:32:28 | ctl | i.e. where do you enter that in? |
| 19:32:29 | Chestal | when there are people with say > 1000ms it's useless |
| 19:32:39 | ctl | it's not just when you're playing, is it? |
| 19:32:41 | Chestal | when playing send this as a message (with 'n') |
| 19:32:49 | ctl | ah |
| 19:32:53 | ctl | I'll try that |
| 19:33:01 | Chestal | you then cat an estimate of player<->server roudn trip times for all players |
| 19:33:13 | Chestal | everythign below 200ms is good |
| 19:33:14 | ctl | anyhow, who makes the decisions about who is going to determine who is hit? |
| 19:33:29 | Chestal | eh |
| 19:33:41 | ctl | oh, btw, has anyone ever considered hueristics for placing new players far away from everyone else? |
| 19:33:42 | Chestal | I don't understand your questions, currently the victim does the check |
| 19:33:54 | ctl | Chestal: no, I mean who determines the bzflag policy about who makes the check |
| 19:33:58 | Chestal | the heuristisc are there, but you might not notice them :-) |
| 19:34:19 | ctl | Chestal: really? I've seen people popping up right next to each otehr |
| 19:34:20 | Chestal | we have enhanced the heuristisc in current CVS, I have a patch pending that does an even better job for this |
| 19:34:21 | ctl | other |
| 19:34:27 | ctl | that's cool |
| 19:34:46 | Chestal | the curent heuristic does not try very hard, it gives up quite early. In addition older versins had a bug with rogue tanks |
| 19:34:52 | ctl | btw, is there going to be a release any time soon which breaks network compatibility but which fixes a number of outstanding issues? |
| 19:35:05 | Chestal | ctl: well, the policy has always been the way it is now and it woudl be difficult to change it |
| 19:35:33 | ctl | IIRC, there was discussion about this a while ago - that all sorts of features would be good to add, such as the server determining who is killed to prevent cheating, as well as all sorts of things with buildings and flags and such |
| 19:35:44 | ctl | but that they would break network compatibility |
| 19:35:52 | ctl | is that correct? |
| 19:35:53 | Chestal | new flags would break compatibility |
| 19:36:10 | ctl | also, things like flags on buildings, I thought |
| 19:36:21 | Chestal | there's no easy way to do server-side collison checks |
| 19:36:43 | Chestal | I think flags on buildings are bbeing worked on, this is a non-issue for me, though as I always play without jumping |
| 19:36:47 | ctl | how are they harder then client-side collision checks? |
| 19:37:03 | Chestal | I mostly play withotu flags as well |
| 19:37:24 | Chestal | ctl: the server currently has no complete world view |
| 19:37:25 | ctl | how does that not get boring almost immediately? |
| 19:37:35 | Chestal | ctl: it doesn't know the tanks' positions |
| 19:38:06 | ctl | Chestal: wow, I didn't realize that the server was just a phone operator that puts people onto a group call |
| 19:38:06 | Chestal | ctl: it isn't boring, removing jumping makes the game less action like and adds need to have skill |
| 19:38:14 | Chestal | ctl: ctl: same with flags, flags add a random element to the game |
| 19:38:30 | Chestal | ctl: most peopel on my server (mainly the regulars who are quite skilled) liek it that way |
| 19:38:44 | ctl | Chestal: well, with only 2 dimensions of freedom, and no flags, isn't it just the most accurate player always wins, without the possibility for strategy or anything like that? |
| 19:38:47 | Chestal | ctl: server is mostly just relaying and managing flags |
| 19:39:16 | Chestal | ctl: you have to be accurate, fast and play with good tactics, adapt for eaach opponent |
| 19:39:18 | ctl | I mean, since everyone can always see where everyone is, and there are no special shots, and no ability to hide |
| 19:39:36 | Chestal | ctl: we played a tournament 2 weeks ago on ducati with 2 shots, no jumping, with rico and no flags |
| 19:39:52 | ctl | you can't do anything but try to always hit with your first shot (accuracy) and try to minimize the number of shots fired (accuracy) |
| 19:39:58 | ctl | rico? |
| 19:40:09 | Chestal | ricochet |
| 19:40:12 | Chestal | ricochet is a must :-) |
| 19:40:17 | ctl | ah |
| 19:40:19 | ctl | how do you dodge? |
| 19:40:38 | Chestal | well, you can dodge by driving aroudn those shots |
| 19:40:39 | ctl | since the tanks are, by default, only able (to all appearances) to dodge bullets fired from long distance |
| 19:41:05 | ctl | so is it often a sort of combination of chicken and quick-draw? |
| 19:41:29 | Chestal | you can dodge, or say evade shots in close battle, too |
| 19:41:50 | Chestal | but it's not easy :-) |
| 19:42:08 | Chestal | a good player who isn't sleeping is very hard to hit |
| 19:42:27 | ctl | hm |
| 19:42:28 | ctl | oh well |
| 19:42:31 | ctl | thanks for the info |
| 19:42:42 | ctl | btw, any advice besides don't play in games with people with lag > 1000ms? |
| 19:42:46 | Chestal | I also like to play with not more than 6 players |
| 19:43:29 | Chestal | well, just checkout the servers and pick the one where your lag is low and which settings and people you like best |
| 19:43:55 | ctl | well, goodbye |
| 19:44:02 | Chestal | even a lag of 400-500ms is very annoying |
| 19:44:05 | Chestal | ok, cu |
| 20:33:49 | BZFlag | we should add code to the udp layer that tracks the lag times and starts discarding packets if it get to high to try to reduce the traffic and thereby decrease the lag. |
| 20:34:11 | BZFlag | a large queue of udp packets is not a Good Thing. |
| 20:34:42 | BZFlag | also it should combine packets into marge packets if the queue is high. |
| 20:35:12 | BZFlag | timing on that could be tricky, but I'd say wait 5 ms to see if there are more packets to send. that kind of deal. |
| 20:35:51 | BZFlag | better to send one packet with 2 msgs where one is lagged 5ms then send 2 packets. |
| 20:36:16 | BZFlag | right now the header data on the packets is far too large as compared to the actual data transported. |
| 21:31:25 | vogon_jeltz | damn... BZ, you need to re-write the ACL |
| 21:36:43 | captain_proton | returns |
| 21:37:43 | captain_proton | leaves |
| 21:37:51 | vogon_jeltz | heh... |
| 21:40:50 | BZFlag | ACL? |
| 21:41:01 | vogon_jeltz | access-control list |
| 21:41:09 | vogon_jeltz | they switched to a new IRC daemon during the night |
| 21:41:32 | BZFlag | ah! I thought you meant in bz ;-) |
| 21:41:41 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 21:43:21 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz, captain_proton you are both still on the op list. have you authenticated with nickserv? |
| 21:43:25 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 21:43:44 | vogon_jeltz | whoops |
| 21:43:44 | BZFlag | hmm... /leave and /join |
| 21:43:51 | vogon_jeltz | I was typing it backwards :) |
| 21:43:59 | BZFlag | hehe, so you didn't ;-) |
| 21:44:50 | BZFlag | you can edit your nick access list and get auto authenticated, but probably not a good idea to add *@nocharge.com |
| 21:45:13 | vogon_jeltz | meh |
| 21:45:23 | BZFlag | er vogon_jelt@*.nocharge.com ... |
| 21:45:29 | vogon_jeltz | I was just typing the op command backwards :) |
| 21:45:52 | vogon_jeltz | /msg chanserv op vogon_jeltz #bzflag as opposed to /msg chanserv op #bzflag vogon_jeltz |
| 21:47:05 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: you ever read jeffk on somethingawful? :) |
| 21:50:58 | BZFlag | nope. I know a jeffp that does games for sony. does that count? |
| 21:51:21 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 21:51:35 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk |
| 21:55:34 | BZFlag | wierd. no thanx. |
| 21:57:16 | vogon_jeltz | heh... it's a hilarious page :) |
| 21:57:28 | BZFlag | or apge perhaps? |
| 21:57:28 | vogon_jeltz | "its vary techical makeing games on CD becuase yuo have to know how too transalate music into games. each note means "DATA". for example, A sharp means "TRANSFORM AND LIGHTING" and B flat means "3D MONSTAR". so yuo have to know it all." |
| 21:57:50 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, it's a good apge, too :) |
| 21:58:14 | vogon_jeltz | seriously, it's supposed to make fun of all the lame script kiddies out there :) |
| 22:57:47 | BZFlag | builds yet another C library |