| 00:38:28 | captain_proton | is bored |
| 00:38:40 | vogon_jeltz | you fixed the zlib bug yet? |
| 00:38:53 | crs23 | captain_proton: you get the particles patch working? |
| 00:39:44 | captain_proton | crs23: yeah - i was working on converting it to the new xml parsing but i got frustrated trying to figure out all the vector parser stuff |
| 00:41:11 | crs23 | that's the part i don't get. if you've got a SceneNodeVFFloat foo you use `addReader(new SceneNodeVectorReader<float>(&node->foo));' and that's it. |
| 00:41:33 | crs23 | is a problem with using SceneNodeVector<> elsewhere? |
| 00:41:50 | captain_proton | how do you tell it the text of the tag that it parses? |
| 00:42:32 | crs23 | it gets that from the vector object (passed in the c'tor). |
| 00:42:39 | captain_proton | oh |
| 00:42:43 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:42:58 | captain_proton | the stuff in the particle system are just normal arrays, not SceneNodeVFFloats |
| 00:43:09 | captain_proton | perhaps i can convert them in the reader destructor? |
| 00:44:27 | crs23 | i'd suggest using SceneNodeField types (like the SceneNodeVector<>). the design is that all scene node fields use types derived from that; no primitive types. that's partly to make parsing easier. |
| 00:44:52 | crs23 | for example, if you look at the "primitive" parsing, it's exactly 6 lines of code. |
| 00:45:11 | crs23 | (that's in SceneReader::parseNode()) |
| 00:45:21 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:10:18 | captain_proton | is away: food? |
| 01:29:19 | captain_proton | is back (gone 00:19:00) |
| 01:55:29 | | ']sLiDeR[' is 53% lame, captain_proton |
| 01:55:29 | captain_proton | ibot, nickometer ]sLiDeR[ |
| 01:55:46 | vogon_jeltz | what, morons over on irc.ao? |
| 01:55:55 | captain_proton | many |
| 01:56:09 | captain_proton | one guy saying he'll DDoS us all to hell if we just give him our IP |
| 01:56:15 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 01:57:38 | vogon_jeltz | tell him to DDoS 131.84.1.60 |
| 01:57:43 | vogon_jeltz | (www.dod.gov) |
| 01:57:56 | captain_proton | we told him fbi.gov's ip |
| 01:57:58 | vogon_jeltz | (yes, I am pure evil) |
| 01:58:09 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: nah, fbi.gov's IP is farmed out to Akamai |
| 01:58:15 | captain_proton | true... |
| 01:59:55 | vogon_jeltz | heh... the DoD runs Netscape-Enterprise 4.1 on Solaris |
| 02:00:05 | captain_proton | wow...old |
| 02:00:10 | captain_proton | (secure) ;) |
| 02:08:20 | fontenot | hi |
| 02:08:48 | crs23 | hey fontenot |
| 02:26:33 | | crs23 was last seen on #bzflag 17 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: hey fontenot [Tue Mar 12 02:08:48 2002] |
| 02:26:33 | BZFlag | ibot: seen crs23 |
| 02:26:55 | BZFlag | bummer. just missed him? |
| 02:27:04 | vogon_jeltz | yup |
| 02:27:47 | BZFlag | I need an example world file in xml to code the net protocol too. |
| 02:28:01 | BZFlag | Does the included xml stuff handle file creation? |
| 02:28:08 | BZFlag | I think the config is in xml right? |
| 02:28:25 | BZFlag | so perhaps there is code that can be reused on the server to create random world files? |
| 02:28:45 | BZFlag | I'd be happy at the point with a single world file (ie: not random) |
| 02:28:55 | BZFlag | and making the client suck it down and use it. |
| 02:29:08 | BZFlag | heh, a world that really sucks. ;-) |
| 02:41:24 | jacques_gone | hi BZFlag |
| 03:50:01 | captain_proton | comes back |
| 04:01:33 | BZFlag | loves irc.opensplits.net |
| 04:01:47 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:02:46 | BZFlag | heh, it's not registered. quick, grab the domain and make irc an alias to irc.openprojects.net ;-) |
| 04:03:22 | captain_proton | is cheap |
| 04:03:39 | BZFlag | godadddy. $9/year |
| 04:03:47 | captain_proton | lol |
| 05:37:18 | jacques | shore is quiet |
| 05:56:26 | jacques | hi MrApathyCream |
| 05:56:29 | jacques | hi vogon_jeltz |
| 05:58:14 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 05:58:19 | vogon_jeltz | yo |
| 05:58:22 | vogon_jeltz | mmm... new Mozilla |
| 05:58:27 | captain_proton | oh? |
| 06:00:19 | jacques | yeah but not new galeon yet :-\ |
| 06:32:17 | captain_proton | hey scanline |
| 06:32:26 | scanline | hi captain_proton |
| 06:32:59 | scanline | i was trying a new IRC setup, but the computer i was running it on crashed so i'm back to x-chat on Yoshi for the time being |
| 06:33:10 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:33:10 | scanline | i was using this: |
| 06:33:12 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=63 |
| 06:33:26 | captain_proton | not telnet irc.openprojects.net 6667 ? |
| 06:33:32 | scanline | nah |
| 06:33:39 | captain_proton | i see you got it running on the mac |
| 06:33:43 | scanline | yup |
| 06:33:52 | scanline | and picogui actually runs quite good on it |
| 06:33:55 | scanline | but linux crashed |
| 06:34:14 | scanline | waves near BZFlag |
| 06:35:19 | captain_proton | thats a cool little LCD |
| 06:35:34 | scanline | ah, the clock? |
| 06:35:40 | scanline | it's been serving my dorm nicely |
| 06:36:10 | captain_proton | how do you fit so much hardware in one room? |
| 06:36:26 | scanline | a lot of it's under my bed |
| 06:37:08 | scanline | let's see.. desk has the terminal for Yoshi, it's got the old mac, my Zaurus, ibook, coffee pot, firewire drive, and answering machine.. and speakers |
| 06:37:19 | scanline | under my bed i have Yoshi itself, and lots and lots of cabling |
| 06:37:34 | scanline | the other handhelds usually occupy a desk drawer when i'm not using them |
| 06:37:41 | captain_proton | i've been thinking of adding a 486 because i'm getting into OS development |
| 06:37:51 | scanline | tuxscreen is either next to my coffee pot or in one of the larger drawers |
| 06:38:03 | scanline | I have a Pentium 75 i'm not using |
| 06:38:07 | scanline | (used to be a file server) |
| 06:38:10 | BZFlag | in a drawer? oh no! ;-) |
| 06:38:13 | scanline | only catch is no hard disk |
| 06:38:18 | captain_proton | thats a big catch |
| 06:38:25 | captain_proton | i've got a 486 at home that will do quite nicely |
| 06:38:40 | scanline | BZFlag: i need to finish pgtuxphone and use it as a phone... |
| 06:38:56 | BZFlag | yep |
| 06:38:58 | scanline | has a 486 laptop with broken hinge |
| 06:39:01 | captain_proton | plus i don't need another monitor |
| 06:39:07 | captain_proton | hugs his monitor |
| 06:39:09 | scanline | and an 8086 laptop with no case |
| 06:39:14 | scanline | good monitor? |
| 06:39:18 | BZFlag | and the terminal for yoshi? |
| 06:39:24 | captain_proton | yep - with two inputs =) |
| 06:39:45 | scanline | yoshi's terminal consists of an IBM Model M keyboard, a Logitech optical mouse, and a Viewsonic VA800 LCD |
| 06:40:03 | scanline | LCDs are good for programming, very clear text |
| 06:40:04 | captain_proton | i wonder what my roommate would think of me putting a 486 on top of the fridge |
| 06:40:13 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:40:23 | scanline | something to get irradiated by the microwaves a little? |
| 06:40:25 | BZFlag | better than under the fridge. |
| 06:40:49 | captain_proton | BZFlag: its not a very big fridge...probably could support the weight |
| 06:40:58 | BZFlag | heh |
| 06:41:12 | captain_proton | with one of those old dell 'fortress' cases? hell ya |
| 06:41:30 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:41:41 | scanline | captain_proton: i was curious.. are you active in the LUG here? |
| 06:41:58 | captain_proton | scanline: i went once last year to a meeting and haven't gone back |
| 06:42:07 | captain_proton | gender ratio just wasn't up to par ;) |
| 06:42:07 | scanline | hmm.. same story here |
| 06:42:13 | jacques | HEH |
| 06:42:17 | captain_proton | plus none of them knew anything |
| 06:42:19 | jacques | ive never seen a LUG hat was |
| 06:42:30 | scanline | the LUG meeting itself didn't interest me |
| 06:42:35 | jacques | none of my interests are shared by females, apparently |
| 06:42:47 | scanline | the hacking nights sound like they might be cool, but i have a digital logic lab at the same time |
| 06:43:01 | captain_proton | although after them summer when i buy a lappie i'm considering crashing one of their installfests and building from scratch |
| 06:43:25 | jacques | maybe is we started a bzflag UG - BUG - we would get a good gender ratio? |
| 06:43:36 | scanline | building an installfest or a laptop? |
| 06:43:45 | captain_proton | building linux |
| 06:43:50 | scanline | ahh, ok |
| 06:43:55 | scanline | that's easy :) |
| 06:43:55 | captain_proton | i don't do 'distros' anymore |
| 06:44:04 | scanline | i'm still addicted to debian though |
| 06:44:07 | captain_proton | why yes, yes it is |
| 06:44:13 | captain_proton | i've got a very nice install disk built up |
| 06:44:23 | scanline | but i've done my share of embedded distro development |
| 06:44:38 | captain_proton | contains a static build environment + packages + its bootable |
| 06:45:14 | captain_proton | somehow it got named 'quack' ... not sure how |
| 06:46:54 | jacques | or tuxscreen ug - TUG |
| 06:47:05 | scanline | It seems like LUGs are mostly filled with linux newbies... i wonder how many "real" linux geeks there are hiding here at CU? |
| 06:47:17 | jacques | CU ? |
| 06:47:26 | captain_proton | there were a couple people on the mailing list who seemed to know thier stuff |
| 06:47:30 | scanline | CU == college that captain_proton and I seem to both be at |
| 06:47:38 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:47:41 | jacques | ah |
| 06:47:45 | scanline | hehe.. i procmail filter the mailing list and read it only occasionally |
| 06:47:51 | captain_proton | for some reason we haven't yet met |
| 06:47:59 | scanline | yea.. |
| 06:48:02 | captain_proton | i was on it for a couple months and unsubscribed |
| 06:48:22 | scanline | captain_proton: again out of curiosity.. do you know Chris Howard? |
| 06:48:26 | captain_proton | no |
| 06:48:28 | scanline | k |
| 06:48:30 | captain_proton | should I? |
| 06:48:35 | scanline | just wondering |
| 06:48:47 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 06:48:51 | captain_proton | supposedly colleen scott knows you |
| 06:48:57 | scanline | he's probably the geekiest person (other than me? ;) that i've met in person here |
| 06:49:10 | scanline | hmm.. name doesn't ring a bell |
| 06:49:28 | captain_proton | she hangs out in aden a lot |
| 06:49:47 | scanline | I'm not very social, don't know many people here actually |
| 06:51:08 | scanline | I'm glad they don't filter SMTP here.. you can run your own mail server :) |
| 06:52:58 | captain_proton | i suppose you -could- ... |
| 06:53:41 | scanline | When you send mail to micah@yoshi.picogui.org, it shows up here instantly |
| 06:54:01 | scanline | i had trouble with the limited space available on CU's mail server |
| 06:54:02 | captain_proton | which mailserver are you running? |
| 06:54:05 | scanline | exim |
| 06:54:12 | captain_proton | hmmm never heard of it |
| 06:54:19 | scanline | pretty standard with Debian |
| 06:55:01 | scanline | just "apt-get install exim", set up a DNS, and you have a mail server |
| 06:55:17 | scanline | i'm hanging it off picogui.org 'cause i'm cheap |
| 07:00:40 | captain_proton | is bored |
| 07:04:59 | captain_proton | wait - what exactly are the LUG's 'hacking nights' ? |
| 07:05:23 | jacques | heh, rebooting firewall |
| 07:07:47 | scanline | captain_proton: i only know what i've read on the list, but they get together in the evenings and just hack on whatever projects you want |
| 07:08:03 | scanline | i forget whether it's tuesday or thursdays... |
| 07:08:17 | scanline | i haven't been to any yet because of that digital logic lab |
| 07:09:54 | captain_proton | chooses something to watch for a while |
| 07:11:13 | scanline | decides to make coffee |
| 07:11:14 | captain_proton | this is your flight computer speaking...we are about to about to go into orbit around the planet aurale |
| 07:22:07 | captain_proton | who exactly are you? |
| 07:22:14 | captain_proton | I told you, I'm from galactic |
| 07:22:24 | captain_proton | galactic went out of business 20 years ago |
| 07:22:31 | captain_proton | and I wondered why I hadn't been paid... |
| 07:22:35 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:27:00 | scanline | dusts off puchuu's simms in the hope that it will crash less |
| 07:27:11 | captain_proton | the dust is what makes it work! |
| 07:27:22 | scanline | big dustbunny in the empty FPU socket... maybe i don't need FPU emulation after all |
| 07:27:51 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:28:30 | captain_proton | ahh...such good science fiction |
| 07:28:47 | scanline | whatcha watching? |
| 07:28:54 | captain_proton | dr who |
| 07:29:05 | scanline | ooh.. i've never actually seen any of that |
| 07:29:12 | captain_proton | NEVER?! |
| 07:29:16 | scanline | noop |
| 07:29:17 | captain_proton | dies |
| 07:29:49 | scanline | revives captain_proton |
| 07:30:31 | captain_proton | scanline: rsync://128.138.3.43/drwho/ |
| 07:30:39 | scanline | :-D |
| 07:30:56 | captain_proton | i suggest you get 17 and 62 |
| 07:31:14 | scanline | i've got about 100GB of various movies and series over here if you want to look.. you can access it with ssh if i give you a login |
| 07:31:32 | captain_proton | what series? =} |
| 07:31:33 | vogon_jeltz | lucky bastages on your resnet fat pipe :P |
| 07:31:53 | captain_proton | someone aboard the ship is smuggling drugs...fraxoine |
| 07:32:01 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 07:32:03 | captain_proton | *mysterious music* |
| 07:32:07 | iLLf8d | cap cheater was on your server |
| 07:32:09 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:32:11 | iLLf8d | he had rapid fire |
| 07:32:13 | iLLf8d | so we targetted him for termination |
| 07:32:15 | iLLf8d | yfn and I |
| 07:32:17 | iLLf8d | then his tank had high speed heh |
| 07:32:18 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 07:32:21 | iLLf8d | we ran him down to -39 |
| 07:32:23 | iLLf8d | he got me once heh |
| 07:32:25 | captain_proton | rofl |
| 07:32:25 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 07:32:27 | iLLf8d | then he left |
| 07:32:29 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:32:31 | jacques | iLLf8d: what was his name? |
| 07:32:31 | iLLf8d | I think he made at most 6 kills the whole time |
| 07:32:37 | iLLf8d | 123412983y4512 |
| 07:32:39 | iLLf8d | or something like that |
| 07:32:50 | jacques | i saw guy names like 2798287366 on there on sat |
| 07:32:59 | jacques | he was tiny with suprt-high speed |
| 07:33:08 | jacques | and really hard to hit |
| 07:33:17 | captain_proton | that makes me sad =| |
| 07:33:21 | jacques | me too |
| 07:33:41 | scanline | captain_proton: a little enterprise, some family guy, first episode of lexx, some macgyver, a little monty python (but i have more on DVD), some Stargate SG1 (but lousy quality), some simpsons, almost all of Red Dwarf, Lots and lots of star trek |
| 07:33:43 | jacques | but he sucked |
| 07:33:43 | iLLf8d | well yfn were killing him w/in i'd say 3-5 seconds of his popping in |
| 07:33:44 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:33:54 | jacques | :-D |
| 07:33:55 | iLLf8d | sheesh lost and and I |
| 07:33:56 | iLLf8d | in there |
| 07:34:01 | captain_proton | scanline: hmmm |
| 07:34:08 | vogon_jeltz | could use Simpsons |
| 07:34:10 | captain_proton | scanline: red dwarf fan? |
| 07:34:14 | scanline | yep! |
| 07:34:25 | captain_proton | has them all =] |
| 07:34:27 | scanline | my roommate introduced me to red dwarf |
| 07:34:30 | scanline | ooh... |
| 07:34:39 | scanline | we're missing some! |
| 07:34:52 | jacques | got any incredible hulk or dukes of hazzard? |
| 07:35:25 | captain_proton | checks his supply of cds |
| 07:35:31 | iLLf8d | hmm gf just showed me a picture of the mile high tribute to the twin towers |
| 07:35:31 | scanline | tries to remember how to use rsync :) |
| 07:35:42 | captain_proton | rsync <remote addy> <local file> |
| 07:35:43 | iLLf8d | its on cnn |
| 07:36:12 | scanline | yeah |
| 07:36:14 | scanline | does it do globbing? |
| 07:36:16 | iLLf8d | http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/11/nation.remembers/ |
| 07:36:24 | captain_proton | globbing? |
| 07:36:37 | scanline | like: rsync rsync://128.138.3.43/who/017* |
| 07:36:43 | scanline | doesn't seem to work like that |
| 07:36:53 | captain_proton | i don't think so |
| 07:36:59 | captain_proton | just do a for loop ;) |
| 07:37:11 | iLLf8d | checkout that link when you get the chance please =) |
| 07:37:12 | jacques | damn what i would give for a fat pipe |
| 07:37:30 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:37:40 | iLLf8d | i'd settle for a static ip |
| 07:38:09 | captain_proton | scanline: what episodes are you missing? |
| 07:38:27 | scanline | captain_proton: i don't remember off the top of my head.. lemme check.. |
| 07:38:32 | iLLf8d | i've got 2 |
| 07:38:33 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:38:37 | iLLf8d | or maybe 3 |
| 07:38:49 | iLLf8d | gottem at blockbuster |
| 07:39:49 | scanline | Series 6 Episode 4, Series 7 Episodes 1 and 5, Series 8 Episode 2 |
| 07:41:02 | captain_proton | how shall i send these? |
| 07:41:08 | scanline | scp? |
| 07:41:22 | scanline | if you /msg me your public DSA key i'll give you a login on yoshi.picogui.org |
| 07:42:10 | captain_proton | ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAMRG76jMPQ2hTH77eWofDWIgE8IZhT1QKSa0pzXKji8qPttrj+qv6eFvatacrz/1ueuEAcjpW9Lfl4pMFZJHYE40sx6k4tyyOp2mN0eWSTyGOo4VP3wkb/oGw3CVloAoW9x/2My66o5LGQDmkJY09HUpBeP5cEKzv+uyFvPOw0NRAAAAFQCIjUfnJrMTmHVmz/oP5B4mpVfTFQAAAIBuj1NCFvF5QVBkVxaYv2T3FKAuee562CF2Oz1KELm4cdI9+kjut+3Dl8zcw9lMMj2y57yTKpggzheu3kVjeiQ173EjOw2+fM0CvvcdWsd3aYlDCoY8RoX/zRVI+NkJomINSRXhmJrul0JUX/W69M1A16nv4xwE3wuZMdy/EaVs5wAAAIALMywnF8w55CnH9Efn |
| 07:42:10 | captain_proton | oLKH1Ahepp9P2KgP1hqBgFjciiKEPSIQ1wlX9pkXQlxkyqN1J05c/Cny2eTPRO2/3jv4XwkC70QTlpuHiVNVZdksCJuoMsv08cSocWQJLzJJ0aDJA4M63CnU5EBS9S+cdqOPg7Hag== jupiter@bhaskara |
| 07:42:24 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, thanks, moron :P |
| 07:42:32 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 07:42:39 | captain_proton | smirks |
| 07:43:37 | scanline | k. "ssh yoshi.picogui.org" should work now |
| 07:43:43 | captain_proton | what username? |
| 07:43:46 | captain_proton | oh |
| 07:43:47 | captain_proton | jupiter? |
| 07:43:48 | scanline | jupiter |
| 07:43:52 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:43:56 | scanline | figured that would be easiest |
| 07:43:58 | iLLf8d | its public |
| 07:44:02 | iLLf8d | shouldn't matter |
| 07:44:12 | iLLf8d | anyone can read taht one |
| 07:44:13 | captain_proton | jupiter@yoshi.picogui.org's password: |
| 07:44:20 | scanline | grumbles... |
| 07:44:25 | scanline | pokes ssh config files |
| 07:44:38 | captain_proton | are the permissions right on the keys? ssh is picky about such things |
| 07:44:39 | vogon_jeltz | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAIEAt49MKbdgslh3dabo/jX1Rk0J7ASH5nbo0Fz8yV8hh9e99eyOX9a3QFgx7mp8jJeVDzKaO/2Dwqzi8kjNERFGU8vSO7dQsofvsCfpVyJbmMUFoJCaWsF81IyF0uWRqzMOEyNXMFOCJhFcXB+gKf70VtgwDBBd0Q6lUmA9pjdxEl8= nerdman@fortytwo.homeip.net |
| 07:44:48 | scanline | yes, permissions are fine |
| 07:44:55 | scanline | key might have been mangled by IRC. |
| 07:45:02 | captain_proton | mebbe |
| 07:45:03 | scanline | can you do an md5sum? |
| 07:45:12 | iLLf8d | what are the keys for? |
| 07:45:16 | iLLf8d | red dwarf? |
| 07:45:19 | captain_proton | a542f4f07176a8816f81a67d5b6ca481 |
| 07:45:22 | scanline | no, logging into yoshi |
| 07:45:34 | iLLf8d | for what red dwarf =P |
| 07:45:34 | iLLf8d | ? |
| 07:45:36 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:45:37 | scanline | captain_proton: is that with or without the trailing newline? |
| 07:45:56 | captain_proton | not sure |
| 07:46:06 | captain_proton | how about i throw the key on my rsync? ;) |
| 07:46:15 | iLLf8d | cap dcc it to him |
| 07:46:29 | scanline | yeah.. i can't get the key's md5 to match |
| 07:46:30 | scanline | it got mangled |
| 07:46:45 | iLLf8d | the mangler |
| 07:46:45 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:46:47 | scanline | some IRC clients barf at long lines |
| 07:46:48 | captain_proton | its in rsync under the /misc directory |
| 07:46:59 | scanline | uh oh, i have to figure out rsync ;) |
| 07:47:11 | scanline | got it |
| 07:47:14 | scanline | adds key... |
| 07:47:23 | jacques | the eighth 'e' whould be a 'u' |
| 07:47:49 | scanline | ok, try it now |
| 07:47:53 | captain_proton | works |
| 07:47:58 | scanline | good |
| 07:48:07 | scanline | all the fun stuff is in /home/public/media |
| 07:48:23 | captain_proton | first one is zipping on over |
| 07:48:37 | iLLf8d | moz .9.9 out |
| 07:48:52 | scanline | yay, bandwidth meter's pegged |
| 07:49:45 | captain_proton | heh...we're interested in a lot of the same series =) |
| 07:57:56 | jacques | I'l wait for galeon 1.0.4 |
| 07:58:41 | iLLf8d | jacques? |
| 07:58:42 | iLLf8d | huh |
| 07:58:52 | iLLf8d | dude moz is the fastest *nix browser atm |
| 07:58:59 | iLLf8d | .9.8 + |
| 07:59:04 | scanline | galeon! |
| 07:59:06 | iLLf8d | before that it was a dog |
| 07:59:08 | vogon_jeltz | gah |
| 07:59:12 | vogon_jeltz | damn this xterm |
| 07:59:18 | vogon_jeltz | it's not being nice |
| 07:59:33 | iLLf8d | mem leaks in galeon tho |
| 08:01:04 | jacques | iLLf8d: mozilla is a HOG |
| 08:01:40 | jacques | UIL or whatever they call is it a Really Bad Idea(TM) |
| 08:02:09 | iLLf8d | dunno about UIL |
| 08:02:11 | iLLf8d | wassat? |
| 08:02:18 | captain_proton | XUL i think he means |
| 08:02:27 | jacques | it's their interpretted user interface language |
| 08:02:35 | jacques | that they write the UI in |
| 08:02:47 | jacques | that makes it so damn slow and memory-hungry |
| 08:02:48 | iLLf8d | new galeon uses .9.8 moz stuff |
| 08:02:58 | scanline | hooks up an extra hard disk to store all the new acquisitions |
| 08:03:03 | jacques | right, all galeon uses mozilla renbdering engine |
| 08:03:08 | jacques | which is fine |
| 08:03:14 | jacques | it's th damn UI i cant stand |
| 08:03:17 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:03:38 | jacques | galeon had tabs before mozilla too |
| 08:03:56 | jacques | another reason I started using galeon |
| 08:04:08 | captain_proton | scanline: where did you get that copy of lotr? |
| 08:04:27 | scanline | captain_proton: i got it from my roommate, who got it from a guy down the hall... not sure after that |
| 08:04:39 | scanline | it's DVD-rip quality |
| 08:04:40 | captain_proton | chuckles |
| 08:04:43 | captain_proton | scanline: i found it ;) |
| 08:05:29 | captain_proton | oooo pi |
| 08:05:49 | jacques | heh you can buy pi at Fry's for $9.99 |
| 08:05:58 | jacques | not lotr tho |
| 08:06:01 | jacques | :-\ |
| 08:07:42 | jacques | you guys are so lucky |
| 08:07:48 | jacques | i couldnt even afford a computer in college |
| 08:07:57 | jacques | much less have internet access to my dorm room |
| 08:08:08 | scanline | yeah.. CU's bandwidth is awesome |
| 08:08:41 | scanline | for a while they had an upstream cap on my IP, but i just uh.. got a new IP :) |
| 08:09:02 | captain_proton | an -upstream- cap? |
| 08:09:24 | scanline | yes |
| 08:09:26 | captain_proton | what is it? ... well its a perfectly ordinary electronic dog |
| 08:09:39 | jacques | heh I'd forgotten abou tthat dog |
| 08:09:44 | jacques | what's his name? |
| 08:09:48 | captain_proton | k9 |
| 08:09:56 | jacques | that's right :-) |
| 08:23:18 | scanline | IRC'ing from the old mac again :) |
| 08:23:30 | captain_proton | crazy bastage |
| 08:24:07 | scanline | hmm.. tough to fit 4 channel windows in 640x480, might need to implement tabs |
| 08:24:26 | captain_proton | wouldn't tabs be completely anti-picogui? |
| 08:24:55 | scanline | nah, they'd be useful. I like the xchat tabs in gtk that change color when someone talks |
| 08:25:37 | captain_proton | likes tabs in general... |
| 08:28:20 | scanline | tries to watch a macgyver episode while downloading the rest by renicing aviplay to -8 |
| 08:28:54 | captain_proton | aviplay? yick |
| 08:29:11 | scanline | you use mplayer? |
| 08:29:13 | vogon_jeltz | mmm... antialiased xterm |
| 08:29:40 | captain_proton | i use xine |
| 08:29:46 | vogon_jeltz | ewww |
| 08:29:47 | captain_proton | though mplayer is nice too |
| 08:29:56 | scanline | xine is too... skinned |
| 08:30:01 | captain_proton | heh... |
| 08:30:06 | captain_proton | it does my dvd menus though |
| 08:30:18 | vogon_jeltz | anyone else here have antialiased XTerms? I thought not |
| 08:30:31 | scanline | i like mplayer better mostly, but aviplay is more practical for avis IMHO |
| 08:30:43 | scanline | vogon_jeltz: i have antialiased pterm, does that count? |
| 08:30:52 | vogon_jeltz | no, not at all! muwahahaha |
| 08:30:56 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 08:31:08 | captain_proton | hahaha scanline |
| 08:31:26 | captain_proton | really needs to finish his terminal emulator |
| 08:31:57 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, purty |
| 08:32:08 | vogon_jeltz | anyone wanna see my AA XTerm? |
| 08:32:21 | captain_proton | not really ;) |
| 08:33:32 | captain_proton | destroys vogon_jeltz's moment |
| 08:34:14 | scanline | will wait to ooh and aah until it has OpenGL and assembly language and stuff... and lens flares |
| 08:34:14 | vogon_jeltz | wow, PINE looks downright cool in anti-aliased Courier |
| 08:34:35 | scanline | pine is non-free! |
| 08:34:57 | captain_proton | lense flares...there's a useful feature for a terminal emulator |
| 08:35:06 | scanline | yep :) |
| 08:35:24 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 08:35:25 | captain_proton | considers making a gl terminal that has particle effects |
| 08:35:32 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:36:23 | vogon_jeltz | bash: foo: command not found <fwoosh> |
| 08:36:23 | vogon_jeltz | <orchestral intro> |
| 08:36:51 | scanline | i might actually use an OpenGL emacs |
| 08:37:00 | captain_proton | considers further |
| 08:37:10 | vogon_jeltz | Running fsck on a mounted file system can cause SEVERE FILESYSTEM CORRUPTION! <jarring chord> <fwoosh> <particles> |
| 08:37:13 | scanline | give my 3D accelerator something to do when i'm coding |
| 08:37:27 | captain_proton | scanline: i used to run 'lament' in my root window... |
| 08:37:33 | captain_proton | that was quite the pretty sight |
| 08:37:39 | vogon_jeltz | best wallpaper ever ;) |
| 08:37:46 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:44:47 | captain_proton | oh no! the mandrelles are going after the crew members after their guns ran out of power |
| 08:46:32 | captain_proton | yay! the doctor made a 'come here' whistle =) |
| 08:55:04 | jacques | did the doctor always have a chick with him? |
| 08:55:15 | captain_proton | yep |
| 08:57:52 | captain_proton | dunno how he managed that |
| 08:58:43 | captain_proton | scanline: you're sucking up all my RAM |
| 08:59:25 | scanline | captain_proton: oops, sorry... |
| 08:59:25 | jacques | fs cache? |
| 08:59:39 | captain_proton | yeah - stupid ext3 |
| 09:01:05 | scanline | uses ext3.. comes in handy when using NVidia's drivers |
| 09:01:10 | jacques | damn cheater POS is on digitaleclipse server now |
| 09:01:25 | jacques | 2623224913 |
| 09:01:29 | captain_proton | reiser is so much nicer... |
| 09:01:38 | jacques | typical cheater callsign |
| 09:01:41 | captain_proton | of course reiser wasn't out when i installed this box =| |
| 09:01:48 | scanline | i like the design of reiser |
| 09:02:05 | scanline | can't remember why i chose ext3 actually... |
| 09:02:17 | scanline | but it works |
| 09:02:19 | captain_proton | i'm considering reiser as the primary fs for the OS i'm trying to write |
| 09:02:33 | jacques | heh - he's got the lowest score by far |
| 09:02:46 | captain_proton | cheaters always do |
| 09:03:25 | captain_proton | speaking of which... |
| 09:03:31 | captain_proton | anybody interested in a quick game? =} |
| 09:03:43 | scanline | seems i meet a lot of OS authors on IRC |
| 09:04:50 | captain_proton | i'm not an OS author (yet) |
| 09:05:01 | jacques | captain_proton: where? |
| 09:05:33 | scanline | heard of Unununium? |
| 09:05:57 | captain_proton | thats...113? |
| 09:06:00 | scanline | the guy that wrote that hangs out in #picogui now and then |
| 09:06:03 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:06:17 | scanline | it's an OS he's writing in <gasp> x86 assembly language </gasp> |
| 09:06:42 | jacques | captain_proton: where do you want to play? |
| 09:06:55 | captain_proton | actually lets wait about 6 minutes ;-) |
| 09:08:15 | jacques | ok |
| 09:18:20 | captain_proton | ok - who all is interested? |
| 09:18:33 | vogon_jeltz | in what? |
| 09:18:40 | captain_proton | a quick game |
| 09:18:45 | vogon_jeltz | nah, not right now |
| 09:19:06 | vogon_jeltz | I'm using BitchX in one of my k-l33t AA XTerms |
| 09:19:18 | captain_proton | bitchx? ugh |
| 09:19:28 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/~vogon/bitchx-aa.png |
| 09:21:02 | captain_proton | kinda pretty |
| 09:22:03 | captain_proton | does some scping |
| 09:22:09 | jacques | captain_proton: where? tho 2 ppl might not be so fun |
| 09:22:47 | captain_proton | yeah unless we get others i think its off |
| 09:23:43 | jacques | i am having pr0oblems anyway |
| 09:23:51 | jacques | gonna head home and see if things are better |
| 09:24:06 | captain_proton | head home? |
| 09:24:10 | captain_proton | aren't you on the west coast/ |
| 09:24:11 | captain_proton | ? |
| 09:25:03 | jacques | ep |
| 09:25:05 | jacques | yep |
| 09:25:12 | captain_proton | workaholic? |
| 09:25:32 | jacques | no, just get here late |
| 09:25:35 | jacques | :-) |
| 09:25:46 | jacques | leaving work now - later |
| 09:25:52 | captain_proton | byebye |
| 09:27:17 | captain_proton | hmmm...the music school might give me $2000 to 'take a step towards a dream job' |
| 09:27:35 | captain_proton | probably wouldn't accept me buying new hardware as a valid step |
| 09:27:53 | scanline | they must be crazy |
| 09:27:59 | scanline | hardware is always a step in the right direction |
| 09:28:15 | captain_proton | they're musicians - most of them don't understand |
| 09:29:22 | scanline | ah |
| 09:29:27 | scanline | what about MIDI hardware? |
| 09:29:44 | captain_proton | o/~ they're just sitting / on a mountain / listening to the irritating noises / of dinosaurs o/~ |
| 09:29:51 | captain_proton | maybe.... |
| 09:30:17 | captain_proton | deletes the email |
| 09:30:21 | scanline | network chart is nice and full |
| 09:30:37 | captain_proton | maxing out your card? |
| 09:30:49 | scanline | i dunno |
| 09:30:56 | scanline | probably the hard disk |
| 09:30:59 | scanline | ;ogjts |
| 09:31:01 | scanline | err... |
| 09:31:03 | captain_proton | makes sense |
| 09:31:05 | scanline | light's on continuously |
| 09:31:17 | scanline | almost continuously |
| 09:31:24 | captain_proton | mine isn't...then again, mine doesn't work |
| 09:31:51 | captain_proton | bottleneck is probably the encryption |
| 09:32:19 | scanline | yeah |
| 09:32:33 | scanline | i run distributed.net on here, hard to tell when the CPU's limiting it or not :) |
| 09:32:56 | captain_proton | what persuasion of machine? |
| 09:33:25 | scanline | 'tis an Athlon XP 1500+ running at 1.3gHz with 512MB memory and 160GB disk |
| 09:33:33 | captain_proton | ah, nice |
| 09:33:44 | scanline | yup |
| 09:33:54 | captain_proton | i need to upgrade my ram and get another HD... |
| 09:33:59 | scanline | x86 is outnumbered here though |
| 09:34:06 | captain_proton | heh |
| 09:34:23 | scanline | i have a PPC laptop, some ARM, MIPS, and m68k embedded systems and things |
| 09:34:46 | captain_proton | MIPS? |
| 09:34:48 | captain_proton | which? |
| 09:35:04 | captain_proton | crosses his fingers that scanline doesn't have an SGI boxes lying around |
| 09:35:05 | scanline | r3912, in my Helio |
| 09:35:12 | scanline | no SGIs here yeta |
| 09:35:14 | captain_proton | ahhh ok |
| 09:35:16 | scanline | err, yeta |
| 09:35:17 | captain_proton | i can let you live ;) |
| 09:35:25 | scanline | grr... "yet" |
| 09:35:38 | scanline | and no sparc |
| 09:35:48 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:35:49 | captain_proton | i've been thinking of getting one of the new sun blades |
| 09:36:03 | scanline | i actually though about one of those instead of this athlon |
| 09:36:23 | captain_proton | it doesn't have quite the power of x86 systems for the price |
| 09:36:23 | captain_proton | yet |
| 09:36:42 | captain_proton | linux syscalls would scream on it though ;) |
| 09:37:00 | scanline | sun blade doesn't run linux well though |
| 09:37:13 | captain_proton | no... |
| 09:37:23 | scanline | o? |
| 09:38:16 | scanline | well, this Athlon box was pretty cheap (like $300) and i'm pretty sure that my next system will be either sparc or ppc since i have money now |
| 09:39:05 | captain_proton | where'd you find a system like that for $300? |
| 09:39:11 | scanline | pricewatch |
| 09:39:16 | captain_proton | damn... |
| 09:39:26 | scanline | let's see... |
| 09:39:31 | scanline | barebones system was about $250 |
| 09:39:38 | captain_proton | checks pw's prices on hd's |
| 09:39:39 | scanline | another $150 for the memory |
| 09:39:46 | scanline | i already had the disks |
| 09:40:05 | captain_proton | $250... |
| 09:40:07 | captain_proton | not bad i guess |
| 09:40:22 | captain_proton | another stick of ram for $65...hmm |
| 09:41:07 | scanline | the memory was $150 because it's DDR |
| 09:41:08 | captain_proton | mebbe a 120 would be a better option |
| 09:41:14 | scanline | regular PC133 is really cheap now |
| 09:41:19 | captain_proton | yea |
| 09:41:23 | captain_proton | i use rambus |
| 09:41:28 | captain_proton | is an intel biatch |
| 09:41:34 | scanline | uh oh! |
| 09:41:45 | scanline | i'll have to surround you with my non-x86 hardware :) |
| 09:41:46 | captain_proton | rdram costs the same as ddr now |
| 09:41:51 | captain_proton | heh |
| 09:41:55 | captain_proton | feel free ;) |
| 09:42:00 | scanline | you have a tuxscreen though, right? |
| 09:42:10 | captain_proton | yep - its broken right now though |
| 09:42:17 | scanline | what's wrong with it? |
| 09:42:17 | captain_proton | tuxscreen is intel |
| 09:42:29 | scanline | i said non-x86, not non-intel |
| 09:42:35 | scanline | StrongARM is pretty cool |
| 09:42:56 | vogon_jeltz | w00t |
| 09:43:00 | vogon_jeltz | I got AA in XChat |
| 09:43:00 | captain_proton | the touch screen connector is a bit beat up (no signal getting through), and i think i fried the IRDA |
| 09:43:05 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/~vogon/xchat-aa.png |
| 09:43:05 | scanline | and even though Athlon is non-intel, it's the same tired old architecture that they keep around for compatibility |
| 09:43:24 | scanline | captain_proton: how did you manage that? |
| 09:43:45 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 09:43:51 | scanline | has a rather modified tuxscreen... he was the first to implement shanip2 |
| 09:43:53 | captain_proton | i was doing the simplest possible 5v hack |
| 09:44:08 | captain_proton | now all my input doesn't work ;) |
| 09:44:13 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 09:44:17 | scanline | darn |
| 09:44:18 | captain_proton | i lie |
| 09:44:20 | captain_proton | serial should be fine |
| 09:44:23 | captain_proton | (i think) |
| 09:44:25 | vogon_jeltz | you guys seen my AA'ed XChat? |
| 09:44:32 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yes - looks nice |
| 09:44:35 | scanline | have you seen that picture on tuxscreen.net of the breadboard wired up to the tuxscreen? |
| 09:44:46 | vogon_jeltz | mmm... anti-aliasing :) |
| 09:44:51 | captain_proton | no - lemme check |
| 09:45:07 | vogon_jeltz | which Mozilla-based browser is GTK? Galeon or Skipstone? |
| 09:45:15 | scanline | http://tuxscreen.net/download/shanip2-pictures/ -- all those pictures are mine |
| 09:45:22 | scanline | vogon_jeltz: galeon |
| 09:45:41 | vogon_jeltz | zips off to get Galeon |
| 09:46:10 | scanline | some of those capacitors were 'borrowed' from the Circuits lab kit, as i didn't have the right values on hand :) |
| 09:46:37 | vogon_jeltz | hmm, it appears that GIMP doesn't use the right juju to get antialiased fonts :P |
| 09:47:03 | captain_proton | those lab kits are niiiiice |
| 09:47:17 | scanline | i like my own soldering iron better tho |
| 09:47:30 | scanline | well, the one i have that didn't come in the kit |
| 09:47:52 | fontenot | hi |
| 09:48:02 | vogon_jeltz | yo, fontenot |
| 09:48:03 | scanline | waves |
| 09:48:03 | captain_proton | one of my friends was given a soldering station by his old boss...that one is amazing |
| 09:48:32 | captain_proton | it gets to operating temperature in about 2 seconds |
| 09:48:32 | scanline | mine's nothing too fancy, cost about $80.. but it's temperature controlled |
| 09:48:38 | scanline | wow! |
| 09:48:43 | vogon_jeltz | whoa, cool... the Mozilla 0.9.9 file dialog box says "foo% of file Saved" in the titlebar |
| 09:49:12 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you can't look at the window contents? |
| 09:49:17 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 09:49:31 | vogon_jeltz | I prefer to iconify file download windows |
| 09:49:40 | captain_proton | well fine |
| 09:49:42 | vogon_jeltz | because I'm on a modem, don'tcha know? |
| 09:49:44 | scanline | icon? what's that? |
| 09:49:46 | scanline | :) |
| 09:50:03 | captain_proton | when i minimize something it disappears completely |
| 09:50:13 | captain_proton | as it should |
| 09:50:17 | captain_proton | =) |
| 09:50:34 | scanline | minimize? bah. All you need is shading and virtual desktops |
| 09:50:40 | vogon_jeltz | well, "iconify" referring to the FluxBox style of iconification |
| 09:50:44 | captain_proton | true |
| 09:52:03 | captain_proton | mac crash?" |
| 09:52:07 | scanline | argh... yeah |
| 09:52:20 | scanline | i don't know whether it's a linux bug or hardware problem |
| 09:53:21 | scanline | turns off the mac for today... and will debug it later |
| 09:53:35 | captain_proton | looks at his particles |
| 09:54:46 | scanline | are the particles in CVS yet? |
| 09:54:50 | captain_proton | no |
| 09:55:01 | captain_proton | i need to finish converting them to the new xml stuff |
| 09:55:03 | fontenot | mmm, paticules |
| 09:56:57 | captain_proton | puts away the particles |
| 09:58:07 | captain_proton | oops |
| 09:58:11 | captain_proton | running out of hard drive space |
| 09:58:16 | captain_proton | time to burn some stuff |
| 10:04:06 | captain_proton | starts channeling JeffK |
| 10:04:08 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, BZEdit's cool in aa |
| 10:04:29 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: do you have both gtk aa and gl fsaa? |
| 10:04:34 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 10:04:41 | captain_proton | screenie me |
| 10:05:22 | vogon_jeltz | whee, segfault |
| 10:05:37 | captain_proton | YUO ARE TEH SUCK! |
| 10:05:43 | vogon_jeltz | it's in Gdkxft |
| 10:05:45 | captain_proton | whoops |
| 10:05:52 | captain_proton | there goes JeffK again |
| 10:06:02 | vogon_jeltz | the last version that doesn't segfault is the one that doesn't actually open things |
| 10:08:28 | vogon_jeltz | drools at AA Freeciv |
| 10:08:54 | vogon_jeltz | lessee, any other cool GTK apps? |
| 10:09:07 | captain_proton | gtkradiant ;) |
| 10:09:14 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 10:09:18 | captain_proton | wants to see how fast vogon_jeltz's box dies |
| 10:09:42 | vogon_jeltz | not at all, in fact |
| 10:09:59 | vogon_jeltz | and I'm running SETI@home in the background |
| 10:12:00 | captain_proton | starts cdrecord |
| 10:13:58 | captain_proton | wb timmy |
| 10:14:43 | Chestal | hi |
| 10:15:00 | vogon_jeltz | whoa, major w00t factor |
| 10:15:04 | vogon_jeltz | GAIM is antialiased |
| 10:15:27 | Chestal | vogon: using gdkxft? |
| 10:15:39 | vogon_jeltz | yup |
| 10:15:45 | Chestal | hmm, it doesn't work right for me |
| 10:16:03 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... not all of the controls are antialiased, tho |
| 10:16:05 | Chestal | some fonts (e.g. adobe courier) just doesn't look right, as if it was using another font |
| 10:16:18 | Chestal | but I decided that I really didn't liek it anyway |
| 10:16:33 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, yummy... GTetrinet |
| 10:16:39 | captain_proton | heh |
| 10:16:45 | Chestal | is there somesetting to be able to only antialias fonts that are bigger than n points? |
| 10:16:52 | vogon_jeltz | not sure |
| 10:16:57 | vogon_jeltz | anyone wanna play some networked Tetris? |
| 10:17:04 | Chestal | it's nice for italics, but it sucks for your standard 10/12 pt bitmap font |
| 10:17:50 | Chestal | and as I said, it seems to confuse some fonts |
| 10:17:58 | vogon_jeltz | damn... the actual text in abiword isn't AAed |
| 10:18:39 | captain_proton | pushes vogon_jeltz down the stairs |
| 10:18:49 | vogon_jeltz | I need to figure out how to specify TrueType fonts for text 'n' stuff |
| 10:19:00 | captain_proton | xfstt |
| 10:19:38 | captain_proton | shoves vogon_jeltz out into the snow |
| 10:19:49 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I know, but it doesn't seem to work right :/ |
| 10:19:55 | Chestal | is notusing xfstt or xfs either |
| 10:20:12 | Chestal | but true type fonts work well |
| 10:20:12 | captain_proton | wonders if vogon_jeltz feels properly protected |
| 10:21:22 | Chestal | hmm, ./ says mozilal 0.9.9 has true type fonts support, whatever that means |
| 10:21:30 | Chestal | has beenusing tt fonts in mozilla / galeon for ages |
| 10:27:02 | fontenot | http://mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.9/ |
| 10:30:13 | Chestal | doesn't understand all the stuff that is dais about tt fonts there |
| 10:30:36 | Chestal | my X server can handle tt fonts by itself, so why should mozilla need to support it? |
| 10:33:30 | scanline | haha! tardis, cool! |
| 10:34:59 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 11:06:13 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzz |
| 11:47:57 | vogon_jeltz | is away: Downloading Mozilla... Length: 29,309,160 [application/x-bzip2] |
| 13:20:36 | MrApathyCream | c |
| 13:26:46 | Chestal | h? |
| 16:37:24 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 04:49:26) |
| 16:56:24 | captain_proton | returns |
| 17:03:10 | captain_proton | wheeeee |
| 17:03:19 | captain_proton | just got the last part to 'an unearthly child' |
| 18:27:57 | scanline | is back (gone 07:21:44) |
| 18:39:16 | captain_proton | comes back from lunch |
| 18:39:34 | vogon_jeltz | hi, cappy |
| 18:39:36 | captain_proton | hi |
| 18:39:55 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:40:01 | captain_proton | goes around checking mail |
| 18:40:21 | captain_proton | no new mail =( |
| 18:41:38 | captain_proton | starts watching 'the space museum' |
| 19:17:34 | captain_proton | this episode is awesome |
| 20:11:21 | captain_proton | hey crs |
| 20:11:30 | crs23 | hey captain_proton |
| 20:13:19 | captain_proton | our greatest enemies have left zoros. they are once again in time and space. they cannot escape our time machine. they will be exterminated. exterminated. exterminated |
| 20:13:35 | captain_proton | lubs dr who |
| 20:25:28 | Chestal | we have auto-generated dependencies now, don't we? |
| 20:25:46 | crs23 | on linux and win32, yes. solaris, too, i think. |
| 20:26:21 | Chestal | I am updatign the TODO file, that was one of the items in it, so I guess I'll remove it now |
| 20:27:41 | iLLf8d | printing sucks in *nix |
| 20:30:14 | scanline | is back (gone 01:50:19) |
| 20:31:24 | pnm | people |
| 20:31:51 | pnm | any ideas why the same bzedit package (2.0) compiles to give a different user interface on two different machines |
| 20:32:00 | pnm | as in a seriously different ui |
| 20:32:12 | pnm | on debian, I get a toolbar and have to click the update button |
| 20:32:49 | pnm | but on mandrake no toolbar, the buildings move in realtime (no update button), and there's a 'test world' button |
| 20:32:53 | pnm | seriously odd |
| 20:35:54 | captain_proton | yep i have some ideas about that ;) |
| 20:36:08 | captain_proton | you have two different reworkings of the code |
| 20:36:28 | captain_proton | the one with the update button is the latest |
| 20:36:28 | scanline | is away: food-like-substances-i-should-get-10-minutes-before-they-close |
| 20:38:26 | captain_proton | keep in mind 'bzedit 2.0' has been in the works for almost a year and a half because i'm lazy |
| 20:45:13 | captain_proton | hops off to demonstrate some code to his TA |
| 20:45:49 | BZFlag | crs23: can you (or someone) create a sample world file to transfer over the net? |
| 20:46:02 | BZFlag | then I can add the model handling and cache code. |
| 20:46:31 | BZFlag | we need to decide the format of the file and have bzfs create one. (well in memory at least) |
| 20:46:51 | BZFlag | and have the client understand that instead of the current format. |
| 20:47:22 | crs23 | are you looking for a new world format or just a geometry file? |
| 20:47:45 | BZFlag | which ever you like. |
| 20:47:49 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 20:48:08 | ppl | where's the world located atm? |
| 20:48:14 | BZFlag | I'm looking for the format that we will be sending over the net as a resource file. |
| 20:48:20 | crs23 | we're not ready for a world format yet. i'm still working on the necessary obstacle stuff. |
| 20:48:33 | BZFlag | it should refer to the current geometry files. |
| 20:48:53 | crs23 | for geometry, hook into WorldBuilder.cxx and dump the string being parsed |
| 20:49:16 | BZFlag | can't we convert the existing binary network format over to a simple world file format and start from there? |
| 20:49:52 | crs23 | i guess so |
| 20:50:16 | BZFlag | it should be fairly easy to make changes, I'd like to get the cache etc working. |
| 20:52:19 | BZFlag | /home/timr/work/bzflag/src/bzflag/../../include/View.h(.gnu.linkonce.d.__vt_25ViewItemPlayerSceneReader+0x10): undefined reference to `ViewItemSceneReader::open(map<BzfString, BzfString, less<BzfString>, allocator<BzfString> > const &)' |
| 20:52:23 | pnm | can we decide on degrees or radians in the world file... |
| 20:52:32 | BZFlag | degrees |
| 20:52:42 | pnm | I just designed a map in bzedit with radians, and the client thinks it's degrees |
| 20:52:50 | pnm | :( |
| 20:52:55 | pnm | muchos conversion to do |
| 20:53:04 | BZFlag | see misc/*.pl for a conversion script. |
| 20:53:13 | BZFlag | bzwcvt.pl |
| 20:53:17 | pnm | ah right |
| 20:53:20 | pnm | thanx |
| 20:53:44 | BZFlag | bzwcvt.pl < radians.bzw > degrees.bzw |
| 20:53:48 | Chestal | I'm about to commit a new TODO file; naturally it contains some stuff which is also in doc/crs-plans and/or hinted in doc/protocol.txt |
| 20:53:51 | BZFlag | or the reverse. ;-) |
| 20:54:07 | crs23 | BZFlag: you have to clean your build |
| 20:54:13 | BZFlag | ok |
| 20:54:17 | BZFlag | Chestal: hack away |
| 20:55:24 | BZFlag | in favor of ints, I might make worldfiles in degrees * 100 or something. |
| 20:55:32 | crs23 | BZFlag: maybe you should make a new world format with two parts: a XML-ized version of the current binary data, and the geometry |
| 20:56:00 | BZFlag | the geometry will be includes for each item, no? |
| 20:56:15 | crs23 | ugh, no! don't cripple things that way. just convert as necessary for the protocol. |
| 20:56:28 | crs23 | re: degrees * 100 |
| 20:56:33 | BZFlag | ok. |
| 20:56:33 | scanline | is back (gone 00:20:06) |
| 20:57:14 | crs23 | re geometry: yeah, we need a URL ref in the world format |
| 20:57:16 | BZFlag | box, pyr, stars, mountians, base, etc would all be static (in most cases) geometry files that the world would include, no? |
| 20:57:43 | crs23 | you can generate the world geometry on the server if you move WorldBuilder.cxx to bzfs |
| 20:58:04 | BZFlag | ok, I'll take a look at that. |
| 21:00:09 | crs23 | at some point WorldBuilder should be fixed to scale texture coordinates so all boxes, pyramids, teleporters, etc can each use a single prototypical geometry file. |
| 21:01:38 | Chestal | aside from MsgGetWorld, are there any messages which exceed 128 or 256 bytes? |
| 21:02:43 | crs23 | i think MsgAddPlayer (because of the callsign and email address) |
| 21:04:14 | crs23 | also MsgMessage |
| 21:06:27 | Chestal | well, probably not worth to try to save this one byte, added it as an idea anyway |
| 21:23:22 | BZFlag | you can watch the net stats on the server side now with DEBUG on it dumps msg counts and max size for each type when a player leaves. |
| 21:24:30 | captain_proton | returns |
| 21:25:29 | captain_proton | i really need to finish converting particles to the new format |
| 21:27:38 | BZFlag | back later |
| 21:31:44 | captain_proton | hrm... |
| 21:31:51 | captain_proton | particles don't work completely right in-game |
| 21:56:05 | Chestal | about client-side message throttling by enforcing at least x ms between sends of MsgPlayerUpdate: |
| 21:56:38 | Chestal | should we use a fixed number (30 seems to be sufficient), or make it configurable by the player (value in cleint database)? or should it be controlled by the server? |
| 21:56:50 | captain_proton | controlled by the server |
| 21:57:07 | Chestal | I am only talkign about c->s here |
| 21:57:16 | captain_proton | isn't that all we have? |
| 21:57:37 | Chestal | well, the other thign is intelligent server-side throttling |
| 21:58:24 | Chestal | s->c communicatin is much more critical, but of course if a client throttles, there will also be less load on all s->c connections |
| 21:59:30 | crs23 | i think the server should have the option of setting it. maybe a fixed max, too. |
| 22:00:37 | crs23 | we can implement it via the client database but it shouldn't be persistent and should be read-only to the user. both restrictions are already supported. |
| 22:01:06 | crs23 | there's no message yet for the server to change the client database, though. |
| 22:01:17 | Chestal | I hacked a max rate of 30fps into my 1.7 client, also checked with two other people and it seemed to be well sufficient |
| 22:02:02 | Chestal | I will post some observations I have made about this on the dev ml later |
| 22:04:42 | captain_proton | what do you guys think about moving server config to a file rather than command line? |
| 22:05:01 | vogon_jeltz | stuff! |
| 22:05:15 | BZFlag | what about a bzdb with --option:value or a config file? |
| 22:05:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: hmm? |
| 22:05:54 | crs23 | i'd say use a config file but allow `-set name=value' on command line to override |
| 22:05:59 | BZFlag | have it preserve the last options you picked from each iteration. |
| 22:06:11 | Chestal | and we must be able to specify the name of the config file |
| 22:06:17 | captain_proton | Chestal: of course |
| 22:06:24 | captain_proton | starts making slight changes to TODO |
| 22:06:35 | BZFlag | Chestal: well, that's also a bzdb option. ;-) |
| 22:07:20 | BZFlag | on "new game" the server should reprocess the bzdb such that an admin will be able to set options remotely. |
| 22:07:44 | crs23 | good idea. |
| 22:08:31 | crs23 | btw, anybody notice the new `config' command? you can now load configuration files on the fly. |
| 22:11:38 | captain_proton | should i put new 'anything goes' worlds in TODO? |
| 22:11:53 | crs23 | what's that? |
| 22:12:05 | captain_proton | well |
| 22:12:21 | captain_proton | we were going to allow any convex polyhedra right? |
| 22:12:28 | captain_proton | custom textures, obstacles, etc |
| 22:12:33 | crs23 | yep |
| 22:12:47 | captain_proton | i'll just say new enhanced worlds |
| 22:12:51 | crs23 | k |
| 22:12:58 | vogon_jeltz | in that case, we'll need to modify the map format... |
| 22:13:12 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: duh |
| 22:13:17 | crs23 | i thought it might be another game style, like CTF or deathmatch |
| 22:13:31 | captain_proton | another game style? |
| 22:13:37 | vogon_jeltz | and if you're talking about any polyhedra and not just prisms, you might wanna switch to either the Q3 or HL MAP format |
| 22:13:39 | captain_proton | what if i want super-custom CTF worlds? |
| 22:14:36 | captain_proton | i'll just say new world format |
| 22:14:47 | crs23 | style != obstacles & geometry |
| 22:14:53 | captain_proton | yes |
| 22:14:59 | captain_proton | <crs23> i thought it might be another game style, like CTF or deathmatch |
| 22:15:39 | crs23 | right. the "goal" (i.e style) has nothing to do with the obstacles, geometry, etc. |
| 22:16:01 | crs23 | well, having team bases might be useful in CTF :-) |
| 22:16:14 | captain_proton | heh |
| 22:16:35 | captain_proton | just maybe |
| 22:17:26 | captain_proton | shall i commit TODO? |
| 22:17:41 | crs23 | y |
| 22:18:07 | captain_proton | done |
| 22:20:46 | crs23 | bbl |
| 22:25:05 | iLLf8d | hey cap cheater on server |
| 22:25:07 | iLLf8d | GPL violator |
| 22:25:09 | iLLf8d | superfast with geno |
| 22:25:15 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:25:17 | iLLf8d | n/m |
| 22:25:19 | iLLf8d | he left |
| 22:27:36 | Chestal | hmm, does cvs add just work liek commit? |
| 22:28:04 | Chestal | well, I'll try |
| 22:30:52 | Chestal | hmm, karma.txt ended up much longer than I intended to, and its still very incomplete |
| 22:38:09 | BZFlag | heh. good start though. |
| 22:38:44 | Chestal | didn't proof-read it, probably about 100 typos in there :-) |
| 22:39:07 | Chestal | bzflag-dev@sourceforge.net is correct, isn't it? |
| 22:52:11 | scanline | is away: lab |
| 23:01:52 | BZFlag | bzflag-commits@lists.sourceforge.net or bzflag-dev@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 23:03:31 | BZFlag | anyone doing active development should probably sign up for the commits list. |
| 23:03:54 | scanline | is back (gone 00:11:44) |
| 23:04:23 | BZFlag | commits some karma updates. |
| 23:07:11 | Chestal | finally writes some notes about his observatins when doing network stats and throttling in the 1.7 code |
| 23:08:49 | BZFlag | Chestal: have you looked at the 1.8 stats stuff I addde? |
| 23:13:50 | Chestal | yep |
| 23:14:13 | Chestal | but didn't do much testing, yet, mostly for lack of players |
| 23:14:24 | Chestal | stats are much more useful in a real battle |
| 23:16:21 | BZFlag | should be easy to back port it to 1.7 |
| 23:19:39 | Chestal | wel, I have stats workign with 1.7, only problem is that my code is not based on current CVS |
| 23:19:51 | Chestal | becuase when I started with E5 there were several bugs in teh server which made it useless |
| 23:20:18 | Chestal | and AFAIR current E5 bzfs code will still have problems with old clients |
| 23:24:19 | BZFlag | hmmm... not sure if I want to spend any effort to fix issues, but I'd like to know of any. I think there are some fixes in 1.7e5 that are not in 1.7e4 as far as playerid mangling and multicast. |
| 23:25:24 | Chestal | well, the problem is the latest multicast fix |
| 23:25:40 | Chestal | befoer that, only one player with udp could play on a e5 server |
| 23:25:48 | Chestal | you fixed the bug, which was in the client code |
| 23:26:03 | Chestal | but e4 clients stil won't work with udp and e5 server |
| 23:30:56 | bradi | BZFlag compiles under the Hurd! |
| 23:31:01 | vogon_jeltz | whoa, cool |
| 23:31:22 | vogon_jeltz | wants to try the Hurd somedaycycle |
| 23:31:42 | bradi | RMS says it'll be released in 2002. |
| 23:31:53 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I heard :P |
| 23:32:22 | bradi | Emphasis on the "RMS says". |
| 23:32:53 | vogon_jeltz | hehe... I know the history of hurd, bradi |
| 23:46:42 | Chestal | I like the admin karma idea |
| 23:48:01 | captain_proton | =) |
| 23:48:06 | captain_proton | developers are karma admins? |
| 23:48:07 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 23:48:59 | Chestal | no, Tim suggested an extra byfs option whcih allows palyers with vry high karma to be admins automatically |
| 23:49:17 | captain_proton | sounds good to me |
| 23:49:18 | Chestal | so you could say bzfs -minkarma 50 -minadminkarma 200 or soemthign like that |
| 23:49:24 | captain_proton | ooooooo |
| 23:49:26 | captain_proton | drools |
| 23:50:32 | Chestal | hmm, my galeon jut sits there doing nothing, no refreshs |
| 23:52:07 | fontenot | maybe then they could kick 2000 and 3000 laggers |
| 23:52:30 | fontenot | i dont understand how ppl with multisecond lag can hit me with one shot, but I have to predict where they will be seconds from now to hit them |
| 23:52:49 | Chestal | fontenot: lag measurement should be much more precise with 1.8, so we could prevent some laggers from joing in the first place |
| 23:53:24 | fontenot | Chestal: excellent :-) |
| 23:53:46 | captain_proton | laggers probably also won't get karma++'ed as often |
| 23:54:02 | fontenot | how will karma work? |
| 23:54:09 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: err, that's not exactly fair |
| 23:54:15 | Chestal | yep, but lag might be different on different servers |
| 23:54:27 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i mean serious laggers - there are some people who are consistantly 3000+ |
| 23:54:35 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: ahh, OK |
| 23:54:37 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: even you can hold a constant 500 |
| 23:54:49 | fontenot | anything over 1000 is inexcusable I think |
| 23:54:50 | Chestal | yes, some peopel always lag. Probably 56k and doing downloads whiel playing |
| 23:55:06 | fontenot | but in this game lag seems to be an advantage for the lagger |
| 23:55:12 | Chestal | anything over 150ms is annoying IMHO :-) |
| 23:55:26 | fontenot | Chestal: i agree :-) |
| 23:55:28 | captain_proton | Chestal: i've been feeling the same way recently |
| 23:55:46 | fontenot | Chestal: if i had a server I would limit it to 300 and below :-) |
| 23:56:02 | Chestal | and I have the advantage of havng near 0 lag on my servers, it must be worse for other people, where latencys add |
| 23:56:08 | vogon_jeltz | just waits to get advice from crs23 as to how to merge the SDL renderer with the code tree |
| 23:56:15 | Chestal | fontenot: curent lag measurement just isn't good enough, it's a hack |
| 23:56:44 | fontenot | Chestal: ok, but when i see ppl with 1000+ I know I am in for trouble |
| 23:57:05 | fontenot | Chestal: it defiintely seems to have some value as a measurement even now |
| 23:57:14 | Chestal | yep, that bad a lag can be detected even with the current scheme :-) |
| 23:57:34 | Chestal | fontenot: the current way was chosen becuase it worked without any changes to the clients |
| 23:57:44 | captain_proton | thinks he's finished integrating particles |
| 23:58:39 | vogon_jeltz | is away: shower |
| 23:58:41 | Chestal | 25MB to go for Episode 2, well I have to go to bed very soon anyway |
| 23:59:07 | Chestal | writing so much English text is exhausting |
| 23:59:18 | fontenot | Chestal: :-) |
| 23:59:34 | captain_proton | episode two? |
| 23:59:40 | captain_proton | what show? |
| 23:59:45 | Chestal | Twin Peaks, I started watching it |
| 23:59:58 | captain_proton | never heard of it |
