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01:22:01BZFlag<captain_proton> don't pass that link around though <- captain_proton should consider that ibot logs are public: http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/bzflag/?N=D
02:38:14captain_protonhaha BZFlag
02:38:22captain_protonBZFlag: nobody really reads the logs
02:51:31captain_protonkicks vogon_jeltz
04:56:54bradiI've registered a team (one player so far) but when others try to join it, it says it is Closed. How do you open it?
04:57:07b-ryBRADI IS STUPID!!!
04:57:26b-ryand that is his IP
04:57:27b-ry 12.234.138.157
04:57:29bradiProbably. :)
04:57:47captain_protonwhats it called?
04:57:53bradicaptain_proton: Hash Bang
04:57:58b-ryDEBAIN ROOLZ
04:58:02captain_protonlooks open to me
04:58:28bradicaptain_proton: I logged in as my friend, though, and it says Closed, sure enough.
04:58:56b-ryYES
04:59:00b-ryIT IS FUCKING CLOSED
04:59:12captain_protonno its not
04:59:17b-ryHOW CAN IT BE CLOSED IF THERE IS ONLY ONE MEMBAR??!!
04:59:26b-ryOK
04:59:36b-ryCAN U HELP ME JOIN IT
04:59:51b-ryBC SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH MY BROWSER
05:00:05bradicaptain_proton: When I log in as him, it appears closed.
05:00:21b-ryMY LOGIN IS RY
05:00:28b-ryPLEASE HELP ME JOIN HASH BANG
05:00:38captain_protonhmm
05:00:40captain_protonthats bizzare
05:00:45captain_protonlemme check the database entry
05:00:49b-ryYES THAT IS RATHER BIZARROE
05:00:54b-ryPLEASE HELP JOIN ME!!
05:01:13bradib-ry: Shut up. Stop acting the fool.
05:01:33b-ryYOU ARE FOOL
05:01:50captain_protontry now
05:02:05b-ryHEY COOL
05:02:05bradicaptain_proton: Ah, it works, thanks
05:02:06b-ryNOW I CAN JOIN
05:02:11b-ryWHY DIDN'T IT WORK B4?
05:02:14b-ryTHAT IS VERY WEIRD
05:02:21captain_protonthe database was a little messed up
05:02:27b-ryOH OK
05:02:27captain_protonb-ry: please stop talking in caps
05:02:39b-ry?????
05:02:40b-ryCAPS?
05:02:46captain_protonCAPITAL LETTERS
05:03:03b-rywhat kind of server
05:03:05b-rySQL?
05:03:09captain_protonyes
05:03:12b-ryfiggers
05:03:16bradiPostgreSQL?
05:03:18captain_protonmysql
05:03:20bradiAh.
05:03:22b-ryfiggers.
05:03:36b-rymebbe u should use winxp
05:03:37b-ryLoLz
05:53:25scanlineis back (gone 06:37:00)
05:53:34captain_protonwb scanline
05:55:11scanlinethanks
05:57:04vogon_jeltzis away: VFS: Panic: Cannot mount root fs
05:57:14vogon_jeltzis back (gone 00:00:01)
05:58:15captain_protonvogon_jeltz: you need to read "Carolyn's Adventures"
05:59:01captain_proton(an in-progress elaborate joke/social engineering experiement we're doing at AO)
05:59:07captain_protonhttp://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/ca/
06:04:42bradiI have a team!
06:10:32captain_protonUlumuri: did you mean to register as 'ry' ?
06:11:13UlumuriYes.
06:11:20captain_protonok, just checking
06:11:28UlumuriWhy did you ask?
06:11:37UlumuriIs it bothering you?
06:11:47captain_protonwell
06:11:51captain_protonyou play as 'bry'
06:11:57captain_protoni was just making sure it wasn't a typo
06:12:11bradiwb, MrApathyCream.
06:12:23captain_protonsteals MrApathyCream's fry daddy
06:13:00Ulumuricaptain_proton: What is wrong with XP that you cannot trust it to be your webserver?
06:13:10captain_protonUlumuri: haw haw
06:13:37captain_protonbesides the fact that the bz site uses the sourceforge webservers? everything
06:18:11UlumuriYou don't like corporate software?
06:18:28captain_protoni have no problem with corporate software that works
06:18:57Ulumurihm
06:19:13UlumuriBill Gates would hardly agree.
06:19:19Ulumuri(with your implication)
06:19:22Ulumuri;)
06:46:42vogon_jeltz* psychosquee shudders in the threat of the BrickServer!
06:47:18captain_protonenjoying it ?
06:48:39vogon_jeltzhehe.
06:48:44vogon_jeltzfunny as hell.
06:48:51captain_protonwe finally found some people to smart
07:15:26captain_protonwe're figuring its only a matter of times until one of two things happens:
07:15:32captain_proton1) it gets put in the forums 2) it gets back to HH
07:15:55captain_protonat which time the -real- fun begins
07:58:37vogon_jeltzcaptain_proton: you still wanna get in on Paranoia?
07:59:19captain_protoni'm busy as all hell
07:59:27vogon_jeltzdamn you. ;)
07:59:45vogon_jeltzit's going to be PBeM-ish.
07:59:55captain_protonPBeM-ish ?
08:00:03captain_proton Loading Mrs. Meinel into your sorry little xchat
08:00:04vogon_jeltzPlay By E-Mail-ish.
08:00:10captain_protonahh
08:00:35vogon_jeltzit's actually gonna be played through LiveJournal posts, because everybody on #beos bitched at me.
08:02:11captain_protoni'm trying to write a perl script that will auto chghost our hero when he joins as cmeinel
08:02:18vogon_jeltzhehe.
08:02:54vogon_jeltzso, you're not interested?  time requirements are minimal, I tell you!  Minimal!
08:03:21captain_protonnot with the current state of my life
08:03:28vogon_jeltzok. maybe this summer?
08:03:33captain_protonmaybe
08:10:44scanlineis away: standing in the wet room
08:31:19scanlineis back (gone 00:20:34)
08:57:24captain_protonhi BZFlag
16:46:09scanlineis away: class
17:23:49Chestal*yawn*
17:38:35captain_protonchecks up on the league
17:42:14Chestala lot more playrs than I expected
17:42:35captain_protonyep
17:42:41captain_protonhopefully it will continue to grow
17:42:54Chestalfinally Gerbil showed up
17:43:00captain_protonyeah
17:43:01Chestalthat rat even sent me a message
17:43:08captain_protonme too
17:43:20captain_protonooo!
17:43:24captain_proton2 new BZmessages
17:43:30Chestalnone for me, *sob*
17:45:20captain_protonmine aren't good
17:45:25captain_protonthey're both from gm hunter
17:45:36Chestaldoes that make them bad?
17:46:00captain_protonit makes them fake
17:46:28Chestalhuh?
17:47:01Chestalwaah, another buffer overflow while bruning, *grrr*
17:47:12ChestalI don't understand it this time at all :-(
17:47:14captain_protonburn slower
17:47:52Chestalah, now I understand
17:48:07captain_proton?
17:50:52Chestalit's silly edonkey and silly kernel
17:50:52Chestaleven my mousepointer becomes jerky
17:50:56Chestalwhenever there is major disc activity, everythign just crawls along
17:50:57Chestaledonkey is using sparse files, so probably a lot of seeking envoled
17:50:57Chestalit's either 2.4.x or ext3, I don't know, it sucks
17:50:57Chestalprocess priprities should somehow affect I/O priority, too
17:51:26Chestalalmogaver suggested this:
17:51:28Chestalhttp://www.rumbo.com/worldclock/wt_en.htm
17:53:22Chestalwhat did you mean by 'fake'?
17:54:35captain_protonit doesn't count
17:55:04Chestalbut why? who is he?
17:55:14captain_protonoh you don't know him?
17:55:20captain_protonhe's a regular on bhaskara
17:59:13ChestalI've seen his callsign sometimes, but that's all
18:05:51Chestalhmm, capn email address has problems
18:07:24scanlineis back (gone 01:21:15)
18:08:04captain_protongeez
18:08:31captain_protonthey're 'maintaining' the housing applcation and keep pushing back the time
18:08:36scanlineis away: lunch-ish thingy...
18:34:02scanlineis back (gone 00:25:27)
18:43:03captain_protonhows lunch?
18:50:18scanlineis away: circuits lab
18:50:48scanlinecaptain_proton: oh, just noticed you were trying to talk...
18:50:59scanlinei gotta run, but the quick summary: lunch sucks, i had cereal
18:51:14captain_protoni see
18:51:15scanlineand the housing app is braindead, i heard they're postponing the whole thing to the 11th
18:51:22scanlinereally leaves now...
18:51:51captain_protonscanline: yep thats what it looks like
18:52:44Chestalcaptain: so, about challenges: I think there's a lot of details not worked out yet?
18:54:32captain_protonyeah
18:55:29Chestalwe agreed that only a team founder can challenge another team?
18:55:42captain_protonyea
18:56:28Chestalso, we eihter add a challenge button to the team list or add an extra menu item someplace
18:56:41Chestalmaybe 'Tournaments' should become something more general
18:57:05captain_protonwell
18:57:25captain_protonwe could add another menu item in the same group as tournaments - 'challeges'
18:59:02Chestala challenge can have at least 3 states: issued, accepted and played
18:59:12captain_protonyeah
18:59:16Chestaleveryone should be able to the results
18:59:25captain_protonwell
18:59:32captain_protonwe should have all matches recorded
18:59:34Chestaland I think accepted challenges are also interstign for player, so they might drop in and watch
18:59:36captain_protonwith both team and player scores
18:59:48captain_protonthats true
18:59:49Chestalhmm, player scores?
18:59:52captain_protonyeah
19:00:03ChestalI wanted to go without player scores for team macthes
19:00:08captain_protonit would give us a nice data set for if we wanted to do some sort of player ranking :)
19:00:14Chestalwe might extend the league to do individual matches later on?
19:00:21captain_protonwell no not that
19:00:35Chestalplayer score is not that representative with CTF matches
19:00:38captain_protonjust if we cared to extend the rating system to players as well
19:00:49Chestala good player migh tsacrifice himself for the team's sake
19:00:58captain_protontrue
19:01:11captain_protonbut in general better players will have better scores
19:02:00ChestalObserver: oh
19:02:02Chestalargls
19:03:12Chestalwell, adding player scores for informational purposes cannot hurt, I guess
19:03:26Chestalbut someoen woudl have to enter them all manually
19:03:39captain_protonit could be entered at the time that the game result is entered
19:04:02captain_protonwe should write something into the server that dumps all of that information when a game is over
19:04:13Chestalthat could be easily done
19:04:44Chestalmaybe we should have a form then where we coudl just cut'n'paste the dump into
19:05:01captain_protonyeah
19:05:04captain_protoneasy
19:05:19captain_protonyou could have the server send the http request to update ;)
19:05:21Chestalone problem with player score: I though tof allowing teams to use subsititues durign a match
19:05:32captain_protonyeah
19:05:54captain_protoni figured each game would have 5 records of the format <player id> <kills> <deaths>
19:06:42captain_protonthen even if a player switches teams the score information is still correct
19:07:42Chestalhmm, but that's not easily done with the current server
19:07:48Chestalhe forgets all about a player once he quits
19:08:55captain_protonyuck
19:09:09captain_protonso if a player gets disconnected they're screwed
19:09:48Chestaland for substituting, the player will have to disconnect
19:09:58captain_protontrue
19:10:43Chestaldo you think it is necessary to only allow callsigns of the two teams that battle?
19:10:53Chestalto stop other players from joining (accidentally)
19:13:46captain_protonno
19:14:00captain_protonit will be a private server
19:14:32captain_protonplayers will know beforehand what the address is
19:14:46captain_protonand once the game starts it puts the address up publically
19:14:50captain_protonfor observers
19:16:18Chestalhmm, so port number is sent to the two teams only?
19:16:38captain_protonuntil the game gets started yes
19:18:55Chestalhmm, I might have prolems to use a random port
19:19:03Chestalnot to sure about the port filtering here
19:19:11captain_protonhmm
19:19:42captain_protoni can write a program that will bind to 6000-7000 and we can use it to test port filtering both here and there
19:20:38Chestalwe can just use netcat to test it
19:20:57captain_protonthats true
19:21:49Chestalhow does the protocl work with e4? client connects via TCP to advertised port, 5156
19:21:58Chestalthan it reconnects, to what port?
19:22:13Chestaland what's the port of UDP packets?
19:22:17captain_protonrandom i think
19:22:35captain_protonrandom in the ephemeral range (44000+)
19:22:51Chestalmaybe these high port numbers are open
19:23:02captain_protoneverything over 44000 should be open for sure
19:23:13captain_protonbecause thats the range designated for random use
19:23:19captain_protonand it would break loads of programs
19:23:20Chestalcan you try to connect to ducati.bzflag.org:54321 via netcat
19:24:12captain_protonworking?
19:24:21ChestalI don't know, have you sent any data?
19:24:29captain_protoni sent 'test'
19:24:35Chestalhmm, I see nothign so far
19:24:42captain_protonstrange
19:25:10Chestalport is just listening
19:25:33captain_protontelnet ducati.bzflag.org 54321
19:25:33captain_protonTrying 141.99.42.48...
19:25:38captain_protonseems filtered ??
19:25:41Chestalhmm
19:25:49Chestalbut I have connections like these:
19:25:57Chestaltcp        0      0 ducati.unix-ag.un:59820 pD9E4BDF0.dip.t-d:59091 ESTABLISHED
19:26:07Chestalthat must be bzflag TCP connections
19:26:17captain_protonyeah
19:26:27captain_protontry 55000+
19:26:38Chestal65432 now
19:27:02captain_protonanything?
19:27:05Chestalnope
19:27:12captain_protonbizzare
19:27:15Chestaltry 59802
19:27:24Chestalthat reminds me
19:27:27ChestalI can try it myself
19:27:37captain_protonget anything?
19:29:16Chestalnet/ipv4/ip_local_port_range  ?
19:29:35Chestalnet/ipv4/ip_local_port_range = 59000    5999
19:29:41Chestaleh , 59000-59999
19:29:45captain_protonthat would be it
19:30:09Chestalwell, it's a bit tight, but should be ok
19:30:17captain_protonyou've got 10000 ports
19:30:21captain_protoni don't think its a problem
19:30:27Chestalno, 1000
19:30:30captain_protonyou just have to make sure you get one that isn't being used
19:30:35captain_protonyeah good point
19:30:38captain_proton1000 is still a lot
19:31:10Chestaland 5155-5158 sem to work
19:31:36captain_protonyou could change it if you like
19:31:49captain_protonChestal: well, the local port range is just the ephemeral ports
19:31:51Chestalbtw., have you tried to compile bzfs from my tarball?
19:31:59captain_protonyes its up remember?
19:32:05captain_protonoh wait
19:32:07captain_protonyeah, i did
19:32:10captain_protonworks better
19:32:26Chestalno more cpu overheating?
19:32:46ChestalI'll assume the port range matches the range o fopen ports in the router
19:32:59captain_protonyeah
19:33:04captain_protonmy cpu doesn't overheat
19:33:10captain_protonat full load the mobo is at room temp
19:33:42Chestalok, so using a random port will work ok
19:34:25ChestalI thnk we'll just dump the idea of bookkeepign individual player scores for now
19:34:34Chestalwe can do that with 1.8 :-)
19:35:53captain_protonfine
19:36:54Chestalback to challenging: team founder want to challenge another team. He goes to the web page allowing him to do that, chooses the team to challenge, probably types some message with the challenge. More? like suggesting a date/time?
19:37:15captain_protonsure that works
19:37:30captain_protoni think time is better done through private messages
19:37:46Chestalagreeing on a time might be very hard
19:37:52captain_protonyeah =|
19:38:32Chestalthat's the advantage of events like a tournament, everyone tries to reserve that time slot
19:38:59Chestalmaybe we should have a few fixed time slots each week and players choose from these?
19:39:10captain_protongood idea
19:54:21Chestalhmm, I'm out of good ideas and a little tired. 1.8 development has been quite lately
19:54:47Chestal0/14 AIM/ICQ Buddies online
20:18:05scanlineis back (gone 01:27:48)
23:43:09vogon_jeltzis away: away... away... away...

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