| 00:00:00 | nuum | i dunno when the code was submitted, or what shape it was in |
| 00:00:20 | proton | the code was submitted with the 3 -> 4 change you suggested |
| 00:00:20 | almogaver | what do you want to mean with "yo estaba un espaņol"? |
| 00:00:29 | nuum | but i do know that i did write a different targetting part |
| 00:00:38 | proton | all the other stuff in the patch was overhead imposed by rcam's inability to diff correctly |
| 00:00:39 | nuum | and i see three lights! |
| 00:02:03 | nuum | well i dunno about all the lying and the such |
| 00:02:20 | nuum | but i would like to see some financial commitment from someone if this is ever gonna go commercial |
| 00:02:28 | proton | so would I |
| 00:02:50 | proton | but so far I haven't seen anything except promises, demands, and inappropriate behavior |
| 00:03:01 | rcam | nuum do you feel as if this decleration Proton has stated is applyible to experinces you have had working in coroperation with me? |
| 00:03:40 | nuum | declaration. |
| 00:03:55 | nuum | rcam, you NEED to work on your speeling |
| 00:03:59 | rcam | Proton define inappropriate behavior so I may improve my "behavior" so I may correct my mistake? |
| 00:04:07 | rcam | Sorry Nuum I switch keyboards A lot |
| 00:04:49 | rcam | nuum, proton I have a dinner meeting I must attend to. |
| 00:05:00 | proton | parents calling? |
| 00:05:12 | nuum | maybe we should get the original submission and the such |
| 00:05:13 | nuum | heh |
| 00:05:21 | rcam | Proton I am sorry for any wrong doing you feel I have done and I will attempt to correct anything you think I need to. |
| 00:05:44 | rcam | Everyone... I hope to continue working on the project and a lot more starting tonight. |
| 00:05:55 | proton | rcam: just start acting like the lead developer/businessperson you claim to be |
| 00:06:18 | rcam | I will make 100% RCAM patchs with no help so I am not makign anyone confused. |
| 00:06:20 | proton | rcam: one quick question that i hope you will answer truthfully: |
| 00:06:21 | rcam | Later. |
| 00:06:22 | proton | how old are you? |
| 00:06:34 | rcam | Proton 14 |
| 00:06:43 | nuum | 14? |
| 00:06:43 | BZFlag | comes back. |
| 00:06:44 | proton | tell your mom i said hi |
| 00:06:47 | rcam | Proton I have a interesting life story, |
| 00:06:56 | rcam | proton I dont have a mom. |
| 00:07:03 | nuum | um |
| 00:07:06 | rcam | proton I must go to dinner bye. |
| 00:07:10 | rcam | I will be back. |
| 00:07:15 | rcam | Its actully a meeting. |
| 00:07:23 | rcam | I did talk to Activsion today. |
| 00:07:27 | rcam | Long story |
| 00:07:32 | rcam | I will be back in 2 hours. |
| 00:11:37 | DemonMooseX | wassup everyone? |
| 00:11:39 | proton | so BZFlag... |
| 00:12:03 | BZFlag | <rcam> Proton 14 |
| 00:12:09 | proton | BZFlag: yes i noticed |
| 00:12:09 | BZFlag | well, I was off by a year. |
| 00:12:24 | proton | BZFlag: if you do the math with the copyright on his web site, he's been lead programmer since he was 7 |
| 00:12:36 | DemonMooseX | BZFlag- I got a session transcript you should really see |
| 00:12:45 | nuum | i wish i could count at 7 |
| 00:12:53 | nuum | hell, i wish i could coun TO 7 |
| 00:13:10 | BZFlag | hmm.. my 3 year old is typing some, he might be coding by 5, and lead by 7. hmmm... ;-) |
| 00:13:11 | DemonMooseX | wait= isn't that more than I can get on one hand? |
| 00:13:33 | proton | BZFlag: thats right! he can type HENRY |
| 00:13:39 | BZFlag | DemonMooseX: sure, put it up someplace? prolly dcc challenged here. |
| 00:14:02 | BZFlag | proton: heh, I see you read/saw his first irc venture. |
| 00:14:20 | nuum | i like this: |
| 00:14:20 | nuum | [rcam(~somebody@249.246.95.24.cfl.rr.com)] nuum If BZFlag sells out RCAM is |
| 00:14:20 | nuum | always here for you. |
| 00:14:31 | proton | BZFlag: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/rcam/ |
| 00:14:32 | proton | err |
| 00:14:33 | proton | no / |
| 00:14:35 | proton | at the end |
| 00:16:07 | nuum | bwahahahahah |
| 00:16:11 | DemonMooseX | think nvidia knows they sponser rcam yet? |
| 00:16:16 | nuum | ok, i can't talk to you guys anymore |
| 00:16:22 | nuum | gotta go through your spokesboy |
| 00:17:13 | proton | hah nuum |
| 00:17:39 | proton | i just couldn't keep quiet anymore |
| 00:18:15 | BZFlag | I'm still interested in a commercial copany getting involved. |
| 00:18:23 | DemonMooseX | of course- |
| 00:18:34 | DemonMooseX | but prolly not from a 14 year old's "company" |
| 00:18:43 | BZFlag | I'm happy to let rcam license and sell non-gpl versions if we can work out what we get in return. |
| 00:19:01 | proton | he needs to show us first that he and his developers have some competance |
| 00:19:26 | BZFlag | I am not pleased to see rcam stating that "Anything commercial goes through RCAM" |
| 00:19:43 | proton | he has made many statements that are beyond his current position |
| 00:19:49 | BZFlag | that could happen, but is not likely given the current track record. |
| 00:19:58 | sekn | All the money I invested in RCAM co. is shot! |
| 00:20:09 | crs23 | BZFlag, did you see my email? |
| 00:20:22 | BZFlag | goes to check email |
| 00:20:49 | proton | so - its back to hacking at the code then |
| 00:20:49 | nuum | no! i lose millions! |
| 00:21:23 | nuum | the stock price will really take a beating when the investors learn that its a 14 year old kid running the show. boys, we're gonna need to keep this hush-hush |
| 00:21:50 | DemonMooseX | could cause another Black Tuesday |
| 00:21:54 | nuum | what kind of pull do you need to start a company for this thing? |
| 00:23:35 | proton | crs23: i'm a little confused how the Body & Shape stuff works |
| 00:24:17 | sekn | runs off to talk with his broker... |
| 00:24:31 | crs23 | it's still in flux but a shape is geometry without a transformation. a body is a shape, transform, and motion info. |
| 00:24:52 | proton | what exactly is Body::getOmega? |
| 00:25:22 | crs23 | omega is angular velocity. omega is the usual greek letter for that. |
| 00:25:28 | proton | ahh ok |
| 00:26:02 | BZFlag | crs23: got your email. rcam called me on saturday and proposed doing commercial releases and putting "22 engineers" on the project in return. I said that I was willing to talk over terms. rcam then assumed a "project lead" position of his own accord and stating making demands on people. |
| 00:26:55 | crs23 | okay. he was being awfully pushy and only seemed to be collecting patches. |
| 00:27:36 | BZFlag | he promised improvements: a new web site; fixed net code; hud; OSX port; etc. The only patch he has sent in it nuum's HUD patch hacked up a bit. He gave little credit to nuum "nuum helped a little". |
| 00:27:45 | nuum | yeah, and he can't speel |
| 00:28:02 | nuum | what? |
| 00:28:04 | nuum | rascal! |
| 00:28:34 | nuum | by "helped a little" he must mean "coded the whole thing and got me to subvert it for him" |
| 00:28:39 | BZFlag | On most points I completely argee with proton. I do not plan on working with him. He may clean up his act and then I'm open to new possibiities. |
| 00:29:08 | BZFlag | nuum: that wounds like an accurate translation. |
| 00:29:15 | BZFlag | er sounds. |
| 00:29:37 | nuum | bdale garbee? new debian project leader? do you guys get these messages? |
| 00:29:50 | proton | nuum: everyone gets them |
| 00:29:57 | proton | nuum: its a global announcement by one of the ircops |
| 00:29:57 | crs23 | okay. a moment ago you said you'd let him license non-gpl versions if compensation is worked out. i don't think you should work with him, period. the results are likely to reflect poorly on us. |
| 00:30:03 | nuum | so thats why its called a "global notice" |
| 00:30:14 | proton | nuum: exactly |
| 00:30:31 | nuum | i would say. i don't think anyone wants him as a spokesman or rep. |
| 00:31:23 | BZFlag | nuum: now I'd vote for him as a person that should not speak. |
| 00:31:41 | BZFlag | heh, ok, that's harsh, but I thought it was funny. |
| 00:31:51 | nuum | Does he contribute code of his own, or have any of his developers submitted anything? |
| 00:32:02 | nuum | BZFlag: but we can't tape him shut, can we? |
| 00:32:15 | proton | nuum: he sent me a patch that had lines adding "RCAM, Inc" to a bunch of files |
| 00:32:26 | nuum | proton, why don't you hack the guys box, and just like the new macs, send him to /dev/null |
| 00:32:31 | DemonMooseX | nuum: could fly to orlando and apply generous duct tape. |
| 00:32:47 | proton | sounds like a generous donation to me |
| 00:32:54 | nuum | don't animals mark their territory somehow? |
| 00:33:01 | BZFlag | crs23: well stress the "work out" in my statement. This alleged relationship is over before it began. |
| 00:33:02 | DemonMooseX | grins evilly. |
| 00:33:10 | crs23 | if they do contribute it should be with no strings attached. forget commercial or non-gpl stuff. |
| 00:33:22 | crs23 | okay, cool, BZFlag |
| 00:34:07 | nuum | yeah, i'd like to see flag out on a ps2 as much as the next guy, so why don't the developers set up some kind of collective to produce it? |
| 00:34:14 | nuum | you could call it: "RCAM" |
| 00:34:21 | nuum | "arkam"? |
| 00:34:25 | crs23 | heh |
| 00:34:35 | DemonMooseX | arkham is the proper spelling, I believe. |
| 00:34:50 | DemonMooseX | w00ts batman. |
| 00:34:55 | crs23 | bzflag brought to you by the Joker? |
| 00:34:59 | BZFlag | you guys no me, and how I work. I explained to rcam my interests, and he ignored them and tried to usurp as much as he could. As you would expect, it failed. |
| 00:35:18 | crs23 | sure, i understand. it happens. |
| 00:35:27 | BZFlag | hehe yep. |
| 00:35:49 | proton | anybody read my addition to karma.txt ? |
| 00:36:04 | BZFlag | I am talking to other commercial developers about a console version of bzflag. just interest at this point. I tell them the same things I told rcam. |
| 00:36:38 | BZFlag | proton: looked good to me, although first time I read it I thought it said I had a karma of 0. |
| 00:36:54 | proton | BZFlag: no - a -distance- of zero ;) |
| 00:37:07 | BZFlag | yeah, I re-read and got it. |
| 00:37:23 | proton | of course, if you would rather my account be the root... |
| 00:37:23 | proton | ;) |
| 00:38:32 | BZFlag | probably me. though chestal seems to be doing much of the server side hacking these days.. and if you build the karma system that puts a bias in for you... etc. ;-) |
| 00:39:16 | BZFlag | crs23: any luck on the employment search? |
| 00:39:35 | crs23 | haven't really looked. maybe i'll start soon. |
| 00:39:43 | crs23 | start looking, that is. |
| 00:39:57 | BZFlag | perhaps you should build a bzflag demo cd and take it to game developers? get sony or virgin etc to pay you to work on bz at home. |
| 00:40:12 | proton | wants that job |
| 00:40:18 | BZFlag | that would rock. |
| 00:40:47 | BZFlag | crs23: seriously, I could likely get you an interview if you are interested. |
| 00:40:51 | nuum | this game will need a lot of work before you sell it, as far as i can see |
| 00:41:25 | crs23 | heh. do have any idea how hard it is to get a publishing house to even read a letter? |
| 00:41:30 | proton | hmm |
| 00:41:32 | proton | actually |
| 00:41:34 | proton | if i get the job i want |
| 00:41:41 | proton | i may spend some quality time with bzflag |
| 00:41:51 | BZFlag | nuum: agreed. the point is that crs is (in my book) the main contributor and principal architect. So it might work as a foot in the door. |
| 00:41:51 | nuum | where you working proton? |
| 00:41:55 | proton | nuum: nowhere yet |
| 00:42:16 | nuum | i still say produce it yourselves |
| 00:42:23 | BZFlag | crs23: I'll talk it over with my friend at sony online and see what interest level might be. |
| 00:42:42 | nuum | yeah, if you had a man on the inside, and coding full time... |
| 00:42:49 | BZFlag | he's Jeff Petersen, that did subspace for virgin. |
| 00:42:56 | nuum | you don't need coders though, this game needs artists |
| 00:43:05 | crs23 | you said it, nuum |
| 00:43:08 | BZFlag | they have all the artists on staff. |
| 00:43:10 | nuum | not saying coders aren't artists... |
| 00:43:21 | crs23 | i'm no artist, that's for sure |
| 00:43:27 | nuum | just artists of a different kind |
| 00:43:51 | BZFlag | you should have seen JeffP's previos game "Cyber Bikes". The game play was ok, the engine was cool. but the graphics sucked. |
| 00:44:00 | BZFlag | it got him the job though. |
| 00:44:44 | proton | i've got a musical person making us some techno for 1.8 |
| 00:44:54 | crs23 | i interviewed years back at lucasarts. they said the wanted people who love to write and play games. |
| 00:45:05 | crs23 | i said i like to write them. they didn't hire me. |
| 00:45:10 | nuum | dammit, i can make techno |
| 00:45:21 | proton | nuum: anybody can make techno - thats not the point |
| 00:45:22 | crs23 | seriously, who cares if you like to play games? |
| 00:45:27 | proton | nuum: he's -willing- to make techno ;) |
| 00:45:36 | nuum | yeah, thats tough to come by :) |
| 00:46:15 | nuum | it would be good if you did a broadcast over bzflag radio |
| 00:46:29 | nuum | stream out a tank radio station |
| 00:47:08 | BZFlag | crs23: heh. yeah everybody bugs me cause I'm never on any servers except to test things. ;-) |
| 00:47:12 | proton | i had a cool streaming radio station a few months prior |
| 00:47:32 | proton | ...all variations on the hamster dance |
| 00:48:34 | nuum | dance gerbil! |
| 00:48:41 | proton | crs23: i think they want people who play games so the developers know whats popular |
| 00:49:04 | nuum | yeah, also you gotta be into your game. picky like. you gotta know whats gonna make it better |
| 00:49:21 | crs23 | what they want is someone who knows what's fun/playable, they just don't seem to realize that |
| 00:49:35 | proton | you should have lied ;) |
| 00:49:38 | crs23 | yep |
| 00:49:57 | proton | or just told them that you know whats fun but you don't play that many games |
| 00:51:17 | proton | i think its time for me to go back to my own room |
| 00:51:46 | BZFlag | crs23: I disagree. I think fairness is a big part of "playability" and I think that is one of bzflag's strong points. |
| 00:52:13 | nuum | bzflag is so incredibly wicked for playability |
| 00:52:17 | nuum | but! |
| 00:52:25 | nuum | the art and interface is terrible |
| 00:52:30 | crs23 | bzflag, huh? what is that a response to? |
| 00:52:31 | DemonMooseX | exit |
| 00:54:33 | BZFlag | crs23: thier opinion that you have to play games, as compared to the playability that bzflag has had for most all of it's life. |
| 00:54:33 | captain_proton | nuum: interface is being worked on |
| 00:54:33 | crs23 | nuum, i hope you mean the look and not the feel. the mouse control is quite good i think. |
| 00:54:33 | BZFlag | agrees with crs23 |
| 00:54:33 | captain_proton | the mouse control is tricky at first |
| 00:54:33 | captain_proton | but you learn to love it :) |
| 00:54:33 | crs23 | bzflag, oh, you disagree with their assertion, not mine. then i agree. :) |
| 00:54:34 | nuum | well, l&f. we need a toolkit for moving windows around (eg radar, etc) |
| 00:54:34 | captain_proton | nuum: i've been considering a view editor |
| 00:54:42 | nuum | i give this game to my buddy to play and say "heres how you can resize the radar", jump into emacs, and he's like, "seeya later" |
| 00:55:22 | nuum | a view editor? that would be helpful |
| 00:55:32 | nuum | i suppose its one of those set once things |
| 00:56:09 | crs23 | nuum, i think it's a major waste of time to make stuff moveable inside the game. the editor is a better idea, imo. |
| 00:56:32 | crs23 | being able to click on menus would be nice, tho. |
| 00:56:38 | DemonMoose | goes hrm and decides to go play some bzflag. |
| 00:56:48 | tad_ | lol |
| 00:56:54 | nuum | yeah. where to go for mouse events? |
| 00:57:08 | tad_ | how hard would it be to put a map editor into it? |
| 00:57:21 | crs23 | keyboard events are forwarded to the menu system. do the same for mouse events. |
| 00:57:42 | nuum | hmmm. maybe i'll grep the source |
| 00:58:55 | crs23 | oh, who forwards it? that's in playing.cxx:doKey() |
| 00:59:26 | captain_proton | i'd like a general widget set for stuff |
| 00:59:33 | nuum | yes, that would be best |
| 00:59:36 | captain_proton | real text entry boxes, lists, etc |
| 00:59:39 | captain_proton | all with mouse input |
| 00:59:51 | nuum | we need a ui toolkit |
| 00:59:54 | captain_proton | exactly |
| 00:59:55 | nuum | pluggable l&f, etc |
| 01:00:02 | captain_proton | what is l&f ?? |
| 01:00:06 | crs23 | look and feel |
| 01:00:13 | nuum | doesn't look like openGL has such an opensource project yet |
| 01:00:20 | captain_proton | ahh yeah |
| 01:00:32 | captain_proton | there are a couple people who have tried |
| 01:00:40 | nuum | captain_proton: you serious about building such a thing? |
| 01:00:48 | captain_proton | nuum: 'course |
| 01:00:58 | nuum | maybe we should then |
| 01:01:07 | crs23 | knock yourself out. i personally think there are better places to expend effort, but the result would be most welcome. |
| 01:01:20 | nuum | it would be a huge amount of work |
| 01:01:26 | captain_proton | not really that much |
| 01:01:39 | crs23 | just replace src/ui/*! :-) |
| 01:01:51 | nuum | model it after java? |
| 01:02:04 | nuum | i would like to try out something like "eXene" |
| 01:02:15 | nuum | but i don't think ML would jive too well with flag |
| 01:02:44 | captain_proton | i think if we just write a nice class interface everything will work out beautifully |
| 01:02:56 | captain_proton | i kind of like the way gtk works |
| 01:03:06 | nuum | yeah, thats quite a large heirarchy |
| 01:03:08 | captain_proton | every object is really just a pair-value database |
| 01:03:55 | nuum | anyway, laters |
| 01:05:13 | captain_proton | crs23: about the widget set, it would be enormously useful elsewhere - like an editor using the same engine |
| 01:05:54 | crs23 | true. you probably want it as independent of bzflag as practical. |
| 01:06:36 | captain_proton | but using the existing engine would make things easy =) |
| 01:07:48 | crs23 | i just mean the toolkit should minimize dependencies with other libraries and definitely shouldn't touch src/bzfs, src/bzflag, or src/game. |
| 01:08:09 | captain_proton | i don' |
| 01:08:13 | captain_proton | hum |
| 01:08:19 | captain_proton | i don't think it would need any extra libraries at all |
| 01:09:07 | crs23 | well, what about the event objects. you need platform for that. you could make adapter classes, though. |
| 01:09:38 | captain_proton | true |
| 01:12:58 | crs23 | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:19:54 | blaboo | how would i use a .png file, eg to texture it to a rectange, or just show it? |
| 01:21:16 | rcam | I am back |
| 01:23:14 | rcam | <proton> BZFlag: if you do the math with the copyright on his web site, he's been lead programmer since he was 7 .. correct I have been |
| 01:23:21 | rcam | I have been programming since I was 7 |
| 01:23:25 | rcam | I have no life :) |
| 01:23:30 | rcam | JUst programming and computers |
| 01:23:34 | rcam | THats all I do |
| 01:23:41 | rcam | I have worked on many things |
| 01:24:19 | rcam | And I dont like any of them because I am unable to show my crativity because I always sold out before I finished. |
| 01:24:33 | rcam | I just have a pssion for programming |
| 01:24:35 | blaboo | you gotta learn to spell kid |
| 01:24:50 | rcam | I do college cources in school |
| 01:24:57 | rcam | And I cant spell lol |
| 01:25:01 | nuum | and what do you study? |
| 01:25:07 | rcam | CS |
| 01:25:13 | rcam | I am in CS AP |
| 01:25:29 | nuum | oh my. you should drop that and just study mathematics |
| 01:25:39 | nuum | because thats what CS is |
| 01:25:40 | rcam | Nah |
| 01:25:49 | rcam | I want the CS degree |
| 01:25:56 | rcam | I have 3 recomendations for MIT. |
| 01:26:14 | rcam | I dont want to go though because I know most of what I want to know to do my job. |
| 01:26:18 | rcam | Its annoying. |
| 01:26:20 | nuum | well thats all good. code up a ui for us |
| 01:26:42 | nuum | no, you don't know shit as far as computer science goes |
| 01:26:57 | nuum | coding bzflag is not computer science |
| 01:26:58 | rcam | And school is so boring and easy for me, every day in school I am board to death |
| 01:27:06 | nuum | then learn to spell |
| 01:27:08 | rcam | nuum I Know that |
| 01:27:19 | nuum | you spell boring, then board |
| 01:27:37 | rcam | nuum I am sorry I just can't spell |
| 01:27:46 | nuum | kid, i suggest you enjoy your childhood and read some books. practice up on your english. |
| 01:28:02 | rcam | nuum ot gonna happen. |
| 01:28:05 | rcam | nuum not* |
| 01:28:14 | rcam | nuum I have no childhood and I am not a teen. |
| 01:28:25 | rcam | nuum I have never been from 7 and on. |
| 01:28:25 | nuum | that is no excuse. |
| 01:28:36 | rcam | nuum I like being Ryan M. Pamplin a lot better. |
| 01:28:59 | nuum | got a dot on that middle initial |
| 01:29:06 | rcam | nuum I have even been on SIlicon SPin, Fox and Friends, Good Day Tampa Bay, and many other shows and networks. |
| 01:29:15 | rcam | I love it |
| 01:29:34 | nuum | you are definitely a product of the US of A |
| 01:29:48 | rcam | yeah |
| 01:29:54 | rcam | I dont consider myself famous |
| 01:29:55 | rcam | or the best |
| 01:30:02 | rcam | I am just trying to do mybest. |
| 01:30:08 | rcam | I really love BZFlag. |
| 01:30:19 | rcam | My company is working on a game |
| 01:30:25 | rcam | But I want to work on BZFlag |
| 01:30:51 | rcam | And in my company everyone has thier job and they do it, and the rules are a lot different then in open source |
| 01:31:00 | nuum | you don't have a company. you don't inspire. leave your childish control and powergames behind when you step in here please. |
| 01:31:09 | rcam | I dont care about money, I justw ant to make BZFlag avalible for everyone, even on COnsoles |
| 01:31:18 | rcam | And I can surly get it on PS2 with ease |
| 01:31:30 | nuum | surly? |
| 01:31:38 | rcam | surely* |
| 01:31:40 | rcam | Sorry |
| 01:31:52 | nuum | no more sorry! |
| 01:31:58 | rcam | OK |
| 01:32:19 | rcam | I just don't spell well because I don't like to read my own wrightings. |
| 01:32:56 | nuum | well you should. examine and re-examine. |
| 01:33:37 | rcam | I feel BZFlag can be very succesful with my help or without. But without it may not go as fast and I may be able to help because of my experince and my connections |
| 01:34:16 | rcam | I talked to NVIDIA and if RCAM continues to help they are interested in a full blown sponcership with hardwqare and disterbution as well as providing top-end servers and bandwidth. |
| 01:34:25 | rcam | hardware* |
| 01:34:32 | rcam | disterbution on cd* |
| 01:34:50 | nuum | distribution. if your going into compsci you may want to think about that word. |
| 01:35:10 | nuum | i'll believe it when i see it. |
| 01:35:27 | rcam | I will continute to make patchs or a whole new UI. |
| 01:35:41 | rcam | JUst tell me how I may help? |
| 01:35:54 | nuum | here, i have a job for you |
| 01:36:01 | rcam | Yes Nuum? |
| 01:36:08 | nuum | we are adding icons for flag indicators |
| 01:36:31 | nuum | what i need is a person to go through and add the ability for a logo to show next to a guys name if he has the flag |
| 01:36:44 | rcam | Ok |
| 01:36:52 | rcam | 3D or 2D "logo" |
| 01:37:19 | nuum | i've got the logo. it will be a 128x128 .png file |
| 01:37:21 | rcam | Do you want me to get someone of mine to do the logos too? |
| 01:37:24 | rcam | O ok. |
| 01:37:44 | nuum | first i want just one single logo to show up to the left of my name in the upper left hand corner of the screen |
| 01:38:14 | rcam | SO you want your name moved to the uper left as well Numm? |
| 01:38:23 | rcam | upper* |
| 01:38:30 | nuum | it is in the upper left (1.8) |
| 01:38:35 | rcam | O |
| 01:38:36 | nuum | at least with my latest cvs version |
| 01:38:39 | rcam | Ok |
| 01:38:41 | nuum | i want a logo next to it |
| 01:38:42 | rcam | I will get CVS |
| 01:38:46 | rcam | Ok |
| 01:38:49 | rcam | JUst your name? |
| 01:38:54 | rcam | And only work with your name? |
| 01:39:04 | nuum | well i just want to see code that does this |
| 01:39:07 | nuum | we can go from there |
| 01:39:12 | rcam | Ok |
| 01:39:39 | nuum | for now use the file mountain1.png |
| 01:39:44 | rcam | Nuum OK |
| 01:40:01 | rcam | Nuum I am assuming PNG support is added to 1.8? |
| 01:40:18 | nuum | yes, it is |
| 01:40:44 | rcam | It probley won't take to long but I will have it by sometime late tonight. |
| 01:41:15 | nuum | the sooner the better. |
| 01:41:17 | rcam | I have to take care of some stuff going on around here for some people, network issues. |
| 01:41:20 | rcam | nuum OK. |
| 01:41:21 | nuum | i want to get this working for all the flags |
| 01:41:34 | rcam | I will do it as oong as I get a chance. |
| 01:41:52 | rcam | Nuum so For now it just loads and image if you have a flag? |
| 01:42:15 | nuum | no, just have it without condition, always there to the left of a guys nick |
| 01:42:24 | rcam | Ok |
| 01:42:38 | nuum | break the problem down into smaller pieces, thats how to code |
| 01:42:43 | rcam | I will get to work as soon as I finish the the 802.11 stuff. |
| 01:45:59 | rcam | nuum Where would be the best place to put the code once I have it made? what file.cxx? |
| 01:49:03 | nuum | um i would suggest editing an existing file |
| 01:49:09 | rcam | ok |
| 01:49:18 | rcam | WHich in particular |
| 01:49:21 | rcam | HUD? |
| 01:49:26 | nuum | probably src/bzflag/View??? |
| 01:49:29 | rcam | ok |
| 01:50:10 | nuum | you'll have to grep for it |
| 01:50:25 | nuum | i'm not sure exactly where it would be |
| 01:50:31 | rcam | ok |
| 01:50:35 | rcam | I will find it. |
| 01:51:01 | BZFlag | probably ViewItemHUD |
| 01:51:25 | nuum | is that HUD? |
| 01:51:34 | BZFlag | oh, nope. that's just the central HUD. |
| 01:51:37 | nuum | maybe i cut all the stuff when hacking up the ViewItemPWR |
| 01:51:47 | nuum | you guys still don't have my shot indicator patch eh? |
| 01:52:00 | rcam | nope |
| 01:52:00 | BZFlag | you want it in the score display? or on the top line? |
| 01:52:01 | captain_proton | nuum: i've got it lying around somewheres |
| 01:52:13 | nuum | proton, i suggest you try it |
| 01:52:37 | nuum | i just want it somewhere for now! |
| 01:52:43 | nuum | anyway, dammit |
| 01:52:46 | nuum | anywhere! |
| 01:52:52 | BZFlag | yeah, start in src/bzflag/ViewItemScoreboard.cxx |
| 01:52:53 | captain_proton | nuum: about the weapon indicator |
| 01:52:58 | captain_proton | my idea was a little different |
| 01:53:02 | captain_proton | you have a box in your HUD |
| 01:53:05 | rcam | BZFlag ok |
| 01:53:09 | captain_proton | that shows the flag you've got |
| 01:53:11 | captain_proton | pictorially |
| 01:53:22 | nuum | yeah |
| 01:53:31 | nuum | thats what i was thinking, to replace the english text |
| 01:53:35 | captain_proton | i don't think it makes sense to use in the player list |
| 01:53:36 | BZFlag | I want 2 letter names on flags when I have identify. ;-) |
| 01:53:39 | captain_proton | too small to recognize |
| 01:54:00 | nuum | i was thinking next to the name. maybe a "target" should go in the upper right hand corner? |
| 01:54:19 | nuum | with their flag, etc |
| 01:54:34 | captain_proton | how about we take the art we use for the pictures and turn them into models |
| 01:54:34 | nuum | or in general, wherever you want to place it |
| 01:54:39 | captain_proton | and actually mount them on the tank ;) |
| 01:54:46 | nuum | but will it look good? |
| 01:54:56 | captain_proton | if we do it right |
| 01:55:03 | rcam | Aggreed |
| 01:55:13 | nuum | small steps guys |
| 01:55:26 | captain_proton | nuum: lets start with a weapon indicator in the HUD |
| 01:55:28 | nuum | i just want to see the icon in the corner next to the big "nuum" lettering |
| 01:55:38 | nuum | the icon being my weapon indicator |
| 01:55:39 | captain_proton | i was thinking lower right corner |
| 01:55:51 | nuum | wherever you want |
| 01:55:53 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:55:57 | captain_proton | beauty of views =) |
| 01:56:01 | rcam | I will make it configureable |
| 01:56:03 | nuum | in fact, why don't i hack it into my PWR |
| 01:56:17 | captain_proton | nuum: i think all that needs to be done is the artwork |
| 01:56:19 | nuum | it will bind the shot indicator and the flag indicator |
| 01:56:29 | captain_proton | nuum: the flag indicator can be a pure xml change |
| 01:56:31 | nuum | i've got a line on the artwork, if you like my minimal minimal stuff |
| 01:56:45 | captain_proton | nuum: because there's a variable set in BZDB with the current flag |
| 01:56:58 | captain_proton | nuum: i was thinking more along the lines of 3d-rendered things ;) |
| 01:57:16 | nuum | captain_proton: too complex? |
| 01:57:18 | captain_proton | could even be a server resource if we want |
| 01:57:25 | nuum | that i agree with |
| 01:57:47 | captain_proton | nuum: well - if the weapon indicator looks 3d, we could later make .bzg models and add them to the tanks that have the weapons |
| 01:58:01 | nuum | again, small steps! |
| 01:58:06 | captain_proton | look at the tank & instantly tell what they're gonna shoot you with |
| 01:58:16 | nuum | tanks don't shoot me though |
| 01:58:19 | nuum | i shoot tanks |
| 01:58:24 | captain_proton | nuum: maybe just hack up something temporary (doesn't need to be pretty) |
| 01:58:33 | captain_proton | and then we can get all the view stuff for it set up |
| 01:58:33 | nuum | so other people get fear struck into their hearts at the site of nuum! |
| 01:58:39 | captain_proton | then its just a matter of dropping in new images |
| 01:58:46 | nuum | what about cloak though? how we gonna mount that> |
| 01:59:01 | nuum | yeah, i want rcam to do this though |
| 01:59:03 | captain_proton | nuum: that would be an instance of where we have the weapon indicator but no model |
| 01:59:30 | nuum | so first we need weapon icons |
| 01:59:38 | captain_proton | rcam: you got a handle on the view configs for a weapon indicator ? |
| 01:59:39 | nuum | second we need to show those icons |
| 01:59:59 | captain_proton | for now i'd be satisfied with an image that just had the weapon name in text |
| 02:00:05 | captain_proton | get something showing up |
| 02:00:09 | captain_proton | brb |
| 02:00:39 | nuum | weapon name? |
| 02:02:48 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 02:02:51 | nuum | ok i'll submit my patch |
| 02:02:51 | captain_proton | "Phantom Zone" |
| 02:03:02 | nuum | where to |
| 02:03:05 | nuum | 'pz'? |
| 02:03:08 | captain_proton | sourceforge patches |
| 02:03:10 | captain_proton | that works too |
| 02:03:18 | captain_proton | maybe just big letters in the images for now :) |
| 02:03:46 | captain_proton | puts on the 9th |
| 02:05:04 | nuum | 9th? |
| 02:05:10 | nuum | we talking beethoven? |
| 02:05:18 | captain_proton | nuum: course |
| 02:05:21 | nuum | i mean, you did use the definite "the" |
| 02:05:38 | nuum | i love the second movement. duh duh duh, duh duh duh |
| 02:05:39 | captain_proton | what did you think i was talking about? haydn? ;) |
| 02:05:46 | nuum | maybe 109 ;) |
| 02:05:57 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:06:38 | nuum | could you submit blabby.patch? sf won't allow anonymous |
| 02:06:48 | captain_proton | suure |
| 02:07:04 | nuum | i may have extraneous junk in there |
| 02:07:19 | nuum | give it a description like "shot indicator / evil flag indicator" |
| 02:07:26 | nuum | maybe i'll just send it to tim? |
| 02:07:36 | nuum | it has a little extra junk in there though, hope you don't mind |
| 02:08:10 | rcam | Why does 1.7 e5 CVS freeze so much? |
| 02:08:14 | captain_proton | nuum: what all is in there? |
| 02:08:18 | captain_proton | rcam: never had it freeze for me |
| 02:08:32 | captain_proton | nuum: targetting box, shot indicator - bad flags indicator too ? |
| 02:08:36 | nuum | new targetter, shot indicator patch, evil flag indicator patch |
| 02:08:38 | rcam | captain_proton WIth a freash CVS 1.7 always freezes on me |
| 02:08:54 | nuum | yes, patch your stuff and do a ` toggle displayPWR |
| 02:08:59 | captain_proton | nuum: gotcha |
| 02:08:59 | nuum | it should look good. |
| 02:10:10 | captain_proton | nuum: submitted to sf |
| 02:10:15 | nuum | thanks |
| 02:10:19 | captain_proton | no problem |
| 02:10:26 | nuum | you still haven't tried it? |
| 02:10:32 | captain_proton | nuum: no - lemme do that now |
| 02:15:54 | captain_proton | you still can't code float stuff nuum |
| 02:16:00 | captain_proton | ViewItemPWR.cxx:101: warning: passing `float' for argument passing 1 of |
| 02:16:01 | captain_proton | `glVertex2i (int, int)' |
| 02:16:26 | captain_proton | either cast or use glVertex2f |
| 02:16:55 | nuum | bah |
| 02:16:58 | nuum | i'll fix it |
| 02:17:02 | nuum | but do you like it? |
| 02:18:15 | captain_proton | WOW! |
| 02:18:23 | captain_proton | nuum: i'm proud of uya |
| 02:18:24 | captain_proton | ya* |
| 02:18:31 | captain_proton | nuum: thats beautiful |
| 02:18:46 | crs23 | is back (gone 01:05:48) |
| 02:18:49 | nuum | oh geez |
| 02:19:03 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:19:08 | nuum | um, cmon, lighter on the sarcasm |
| 02:19:13 | captain_proton | licks nuum |
| 02:19:24 | captain_proton | nuum: actually, i really do like it |
| 02:19:34 | nuum | why thank you |
| 02:21:32 | nuum | there isn't a "drawQuad" function somewhere, is there? |
| 02:21:44 | nuum | drawQuad(x,y, w,h)? |
| 02:21:56 | captain_proton | http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/graphics/doc/OpenGL-Man-Pages/glRect.html <-- ? |
| 02:22:12 | captain_proton | you mean that quad? |
| 02:22:26 | captain_proton | or glBegin(GL_QUADS); glVertex(blah blah ... ); glEnd(); |
| 02:22:31 | crs23 | glRect() is not a great choice. you can't set colors or texture coords per vertex. use glBegin(GL_QUADS). |
| 02:22:47 | nuum | yeah, but i don't need to |
| 02:23:01 | nuum | i don't matter too much, i have a drawPB() that does it |
| 02:23:25 | captain_proton | crs23: in the case of nuum's patch, it doesn't matter - its just solid colors |
| 02:23:29 | nuum | may i ask you about the "clockwise/counterclockwise" thing? i heard you are supposed to "ALWAYS DRAW ONE WAY" |
| 02:23:43 | crs23 | captain_proton: k |
| 02:23:49 | captain_proton | nuum: it depends on what you're doing |
| 02:23:52 | nuum | well, its just one extra function call, i'm sure its not hurtin |
| 02:24:00 | captain_proton | nuum: if you're using culling, you want to always be the same direction |
| 02:24:00 | crs23 | bzflag always draws counterclockwise from the outside. |
| 02:24:10 | captain_proton | nuum: well, it may be just one function call |
| 02:24:20 | captain_proton | nuum: but imagine calling that function several times per frame |
| 02:24:26 | nuum | yes, O(f) time |
| 02:24:47 | captain_proton | * FPS |
| 02:24:49 | captain_proton | it gets big |
| 02:25:06 | nuum | yeah, but thats what an optimizing compiler is for |
| 02:25:07 | captain_proton | might as well optimize where you can |
| 02:25:36 | captain_proton | nuum: why not just reverse the order of your vertices to all use the same winding? |
| 02:25:42 | captain_proton | its not a huge amount of effort |
| 02:25:54 | nuum | winding? |
| 02:26:08 | captain_proton | nuum: direction |
| 02:26:16 | nuum | reverse? it works cc now i believe |
| 02:26:20 | nuum | (from the outside) |
| 02:26:21 | captain_proton | nuum: 'wound' clockwise/cc |
| 02:26:26 | nuum | hehehe |
| 02:26:47 | rcam | captain_proton, nuum I will be done in less then 1 hour |
| 02:26:54 | rcam | captain_proton, nuum Then I will start coding |
| 02:27:08 | rcam | captain_proton, nuum I am putting up an 802.11 repeater |
| 02:27:13 | rcam | We need to go a mile |
| 02:27:18 | captain_proton | rcam: cool - i'm gonna go home in about 15 minutes but i should be back in around an hour and a half |
| 02:27:19 | rcam | ok see ya later |
| 02:27:33 | nuum | a mile? |
| 02:27:38 | rcam | is away: 802.11 Reapers |
| 02:27:49 | nuum | wtf is a mile? |
| 02:31:08 | captain_proton | rcam: about the flag indicator - its completely a view hack |
| 02:32:10 | nuum | i've gotta go meet my ex girlfriend, so probably not |
| 02:32:20 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:32:33 | captain_proton | i've gotta go |
| 02:32:35 | nuum | i do have superbullet done though |
| 02:32:39 | nuum | later |
| 02:32:48 | captain_proton | all thats needed is graphics with 2 letters on each |
| 02:33:18 | nuum | yeah thats easy, but boring |
| 02:33:50 | captain_proton | i dunno - ImageMagick it |
| 02:34:16 | captain_proton | grins |
| 02:35:16 | captain_proton | ok, i'm offers |
| 02:35:22 | captain_proton | be back in 1:30 abouts |
| 02:36:20 | nuum | 1 h 30 mins? |
| 02:36:41 | captain_proton | yes |
| 02:39:21 | nuum | ok |
| 02:39:25 | nuum | well here are your graphics |
| 02:39:58 | nuum | i'm probably missing a few |
| 02:40:27 | nuum | only good flags for now |
| 03:05:15 | rcam | is away: showering off particles of 802.11 A dust... Divide 5000 by 500 and thats how many wireless routers just put up :) |
| 03:27:33 | rcam | is back (gone 00:22:18) |
| 03:48:06 | jacques | what's the 1.7 tag again? |
| 03:48:18 | jacques | I just checkde out -r 1.7 and it wont config |
| 03:48:34 | rcam | ok back |
| 03:48:35 | jacques | what's the 1.7 tag again? |
| 03:48:36 | rcam | is away: I'm busy |
| 03:48:42 | rcam | is back (gone 00:00:05) |
| 03:48:46 | jacques | I just checkde out -r 1.7 and it wont config |
| 03:48:56 | rcam | -r 1.7 bzflag |
| 03:49:13 | rcam | -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 03:49:36 | rcam | it is -r v1_7 bzflag i just tried it |
| 03:49:57 | jacques | thanks |
| 03:50:02 | jacques | i wamissing the v |
| 03:50:18 | jacques | i tried 1_7 and it told me something about bad characters in the tag |
| 03:50:53 | rcam | odd |
| 03:51:18 | jacques | well it's working now with the v |
| 03:51:27 | jacques | probbaly a bad error message |
| 03:51:35 | rcam | yeah |
| 03:51:56 | rcam | I have been asigned to work on 1.8 now so I must. |
| 03:52:03 | rcam | Its ok I dont mind. |
| 03:52:43 | rcam | Its fun but I cant play with the client because no one else plays 1.8 yet |
| 03:53:45 | jacques | so what happened to the 1.7 improvements ? |
| 03:54:00 | rcam | We amde them |
| 03:54:03 | rcam | made* |
| 03:54:13 | rcam | They will be released |
| 03:54:17 | rcam | They ar enot on CVS |
| 03:54:21 | rcam | only on patchs |
| 03:54:29 | rcam | though you need CVS to apply the patchs to |
| 03:54:52 | jacques | are the patches available to normal users like me? |
| 03:55:01 | rcam | o |
| 03:55:03 | rcam | I guess not |
| 03:55:22 | rcam | Sorry |
| 03:55:23 | jacques | arg 1_7 keeps hanging on me |
| 03:55:32 | rcam | Weird that happens to me to |
| 03:55:43 | rcam | What kinda video card do you have? |
| 03:55:48 | rcam | and what are your specs? |
| 03:56:33 | rcam | 1.8 is taking forever to compile on my 1.4 ghz amd |
| 03:57:39 | rcam | jacques so when does it hang? |
| 03:57:52 | rcam | jacques what are your specs? |
| 03:59:15 | captain_proton | is back |
| 03:59:39 | captain_proton | the patches are all on sourceforge |
| 03:59:49 | captain_proton | rcam: 1.8 takes longer to compile because it has a lot more code |
| 03:59:57 | rcam | jacques has a problem with 1.7 |
| 04:00:00 | rcam | JUst like me |
| 04:00:06 | rcam | Its freezing X |
| 04:00:11 | rcam | THe code from CVS |
| 04:00:23 | rcam | DOnt get me wrong I love 1.8 |
| 04:00:42 | rcam | Its so much faster. |
| 04:01:01 | rcam | captain_proton I was asked to design a new UI. |
| 04:01:04 | captain_proton | if its freezing, switch to a console and kill it |
| 04:01:11 | rcam | captain_proton I did that |
| 04:01:14 | captain_proton | then do a stack trace on the core file and post a bug report |
| 04:01:21 | captain_proton | rcam: UI? |
| 04:01:23 | rcam | captain_proton Ok |
| 04:01:29 | rcam | captain_proton User INterface for 1.8 |
| 04:01:33 | nuum | captain_proton is back |
| 04:01:38 | captain_proton | make sure you've compiled with DEBUG=1 |
| 04:01:44 | rcam | captain_proton ok |
| 04:01:53 | captain_proton | rcam: who asked you to design a new UI? |
| 04:01:56 | nuum | no, we want a new user interface toolkit |
| 04:01:58 | rcam | captain_proton Nuum |
| 04:02:06 | rcam | Nuum o |
| 04:02:12 | rcam | Nuum You said new UI |
| 04:02:22 | rcam | Nuum What exactly do you want it to do? |
| 04:02:39 | captain_proton | rcam: bzflag needs a decent UI toolkit (widget set, callbacks, etc) |
| 04:02:44 | nuum | my laundry. i've always wanted someone to do my laundry |
| 04:02:57 | captain_proton | nuum: i think i want to redo my composition |
| 04:03:06 | rcam | captain_proton Hmm ok |
| 04:03:11 | captain_proton | nuum: think i can write 1-3 minutes of decent music tomorrow? |
| 04:03:19 | nuum | your composition? i wrote something last night |
| 04:03:41 | captain_proton | nuum: right - assigned composition |
| 04:03:56 | nuum | i'm in the process of writing a japanese suite |
| 04:04:02 | captain_proton | i hate the piece i've written |
| 04:04:06 | captain_proton | frowns |
| 04:04:18 | rcam | Self expression through music |
| 04:04:23 | rcam | :) |
| 04:04:27 | nuum | complete with noise generator |
| 04:04:38 | captain_proton | nuum: hmm |
| 04:04:42 | captain_proton | nuum: did you listen to that quartet? |
| 04:04:47 | rcam | NOt what I was getting at |
| 04:04:57 | nuum | no, i will put it on right now |
| 04:05:07 | captain_proton | his music is...interesting |
| 04:05:12 | rcam | Wow 1.8 CVS is different then a day ago |
| 04:05:26 | captain_proton | i may not like devoted religious people but its really inspired this guy |
| 04:05:30 | rcam | captain_proton & nuum May I hear some? |
| 04:05:43 | captain_proton | rcam: we're talking about other music - not bzflag related |
| 04:05:52 | captain_proton | rcam: but if you like i can send you the mp3 i sent nuum |
| 04:05:53 | rcam | May I hear anyway? |
| 04:05:54 | nuum | high pitched at the start |
| 04:05:58 | rcam | please |
| 04:06:15 | nuum | but i'm into the solo line |
| 04:06:17 | nuum | lead line? |
| 04:06:24 | rcam | thanks |
| 04:06:28 | captain_proton | cello is very strong in all his music :) |
| 04:06:30 | nuum | the melody of that lone cello |
| 04:06:31 | captain_proton | one reason i like it |
| 04:06:41 | nuum | that is a cello, isn't it? |
| 04:06:45 | captain_proton | yes it is |
| 04:06:46 | nuum | you play the cello i suppose |
| 04:06:59 | captain_proton | that i do |
| 04:07:08 | nuum | at little harmony now |
| 04:07:14 | captain_proton | just got my real instrument back (the maker borrowed it to show at a conference in boston) |
| 04:07:16 | captain_proton | i'm so happy |
| 04:07:18 | captain_proton | i missed it |
| 04:07:43 | rcam | How many lines of code is BZ2o? |
| 04:07:51 | captain_proton | BZ2o ?? |
| 04:07:54 | nuum | ah dissonant! i love it |
| 04:08:02 | rcam | BZFlag 1.8 |
| 04:08:11 | rcam | I am calling it Bz2o |
| 04:08:21 | captain_proton | rcam: um - why are you calling it that ? |
| 04:08:30 | rcam | Because its going to be 2.0 |
| 04:08:42 | captain_proton | who decided that ? |
| 04:09:04 | rcam | Tim said he thought it would become 2.0 before release |
| 04:09:16 | rcam | SO it would make more since to the public |
| 04:10:00 | rcam | brb I am going to run the CVS of 1.8 |
| 04:10:52 | rcam | anyone care to join me fore a game of 1.8 real quick?> |
| 04:10:59 | captain_proton | rcam: thats just a thought - in reality, that has no bearing on what the version number of it will actually be |
| 04:11:13 | rcam | hmm ok |
| 04:11:29 | rcam | captain_proton & nuum care to join me or will I have to play myself? |
| 04:11:37 | captain_proton | rcam: i'm busy |
| 04:11:43 | rcam | nuum> |
| 04:11:43 | rcam | ? |
| 04:11:51 | rcam | I would like to see 1.8 in action |
| 04:11:57 | rcam | SO I undersatnd it a bit better |
| 04:12:04 | rcam | Care to join me nuum? |
| 04:12:43 | rcam | OK well I am going to go work on 1.8 in that case |
| 04:17:54 | nuum | um i'm back |
| 04:18:00 | captain_proton | wb nuum :) |
| 04:18:04 | nuum | hang on, gotta call a girlie |
| 04:18:13 | captain_proton | your life sounds more interesting than mine |
| 04:18:15 | nuum | ui ui ui, girlies are soooo good |
| 04:18:20 | captain_proton | i'm sitting here doing music theory homework |
| 04:18:36 | nuum | yeah, i'm sitting here trying to prove the riemann hypothesis |
| 04:18:36 | jpablo | captain_proton: that url on the topic does not work. |
| 04:18:44 | captain_proton | jpablo: which url ? |
| 04:18:53 | jpablo | eeek, forget about it. |
| 04:18:54 | jpablo | i rem |
| 04:18:58 | jpablo | http://icculus.org/~vogon/bz-sdl.htmldh |
| 04:19:02 | jpablo | i just removed the dh |
| 04:19:31 | captain_proton | better? |
| 04:21:09 | jpablo | yep. |
| 04:28:45 | captain_proton | buhbye mr rcam |
| 04:37:10 | DemonMoose | captain_proton: you're at your own compufer!!! :) amazing :) |
| 04:37:21 | captain_proton | haha DemonMoose |
| 04:37:25 | nuum | are you a student of music too moose? |
| 04:37:27 | captain_proton | i'm at my own computer far too much |
| 04:37:28 | captain_proton | haha |
| 04:37:33 | nuum | moose? your from canada! |
| 04:37:35 | captain_proton | moose couldn't carry a tune worth anything |
| 04:37:46 | captain_proton | um, no he's not |
| 04:37:49 | captain_proton | he's from boulder |
| 04:37:50 | captain_proton | almost as bad |
| 04:38:02 | nuum | heh |
| 04:38:27 | DemonMoose | music? |
| 04:38:28 | DemonMoose | haha |
| 04:38:31 | captain_proton | DemonMoose: i'm gonna rewrite my term composition assignment tomorrow - want me to give you a kazoo part? |
| 04:38:31 | DemonMoose | EE |
| 04:38:37 | DemonMoose | with a minor in A-Math |
| 04:38:49 | DemonMoose | I kin play trumpet |
| 04:38:51 | DemonMoose | err-- |
| 04:38:57 | DemonMoose | how about an explosives sequence? |
| 04:39:23 | nuum | electrical engineering? |
| 04:39:25 | nuum | wicked |
| 04:40:00 | nuum | my girlfriends folks are both EE's |
| 04:40:06 | DemonMoose | I'm sorry. |
| 04:40:06 | nuum | they teach cpsc tho |
| 04:40:07 | DemonMoose | :) |
| 04:40:36 | nuum | mostly physics or what? |
| 04:40:55 | DemonMoose | ee? |
| 04:40:57 | DemonMoose | hrms.... |
| 04:41:03 | DemonMoose | they teach you all this physics stuff... |
| 04:41:07 | DemonMoose | and they teach you theory |
| 04:41:14 | DemonMoose | and all sortsa mathimatical appications |
| 04:41:25 | DemonMoose | (you can solve diff-eqs by building circuits :) ) |
| 04:41:27 | nuum | bah. |
| 04:41:37 | nuum | huh? i thought it was the other way around |
| 04:41:39 | DemonMoose | then you throw it all out the window, and see what things are like when it's not ideal :) |
| 04:41:56 | DemonMoose | you need to solve dif-eq's to solve the circuit, |
| 04:41:57 | nuum | laplace transform, how i love thee |
| 04:42:05 | DemonMoose | but if you build the circuit and measure .... |
| 04:42:06 | captain_proton | you're weird |
| 04:42:24 | nuum | yeah, but its not ideal |
| 04:42:33 | captain_proton | heya tim |
| 04:42:33 | DemonMoose | knogs. |
| 04:42:40 | DemonMoose | You can get pretty damn close though. |
| 04:42:43 | DemonMoose | I wouldn't do it :) |
| 04:42:50 | DemonMoose | is too busy building other things... |
| 04:43:01 | nuum | why not simulate it on a machine? |
| 04:43:03 | BZFlag | knogs? |
| 04:43:59 | DemonMoose | knog = a knowing nog |
| 04:44:04 | DemonMoose | and we all know what nogs are |
| 04:44:14 | DemonMoose | knogs are a moose thing. |
| 04:44:22 | BZFlag | heh |
| 04:45:21 | captain_proton | BZFlag: rcam says you want to call this 2.0 - that true? |
| 04:45:28 | DemonMoose | captain_proton: you can put my 555 circuit "instrument" into your music? |
| 04:45:50 | captain_proton | DemonMoose: thats not an instrument, thats a homicide waiting to happen |
| 04:45:59 | nuum | you should get proton a square wave generator |
| 04:46:19 | captain_proton | nuum: thats basically what this is |
| 04:46:31 | captain_proton | nuum: except it drives a ~10000V spark gap |
| 04:46:42 | nuum | bwahahahaha |
| 04:46:55 | nuum | use it, use it! |
| 04:47:15 | DemonMoose | it's sooooooo cool. |
| 04:47:31 | DemonMoose | I gonna rebuilt it- with a 311 attached, make it a pure triangle wave :) |
| 04:47:55 | DemonMoose | loop it through a speaker |
| 04:47:58 | captain_proton | eww |
| 04:48:07 | DemonMoose | burned the transistor, and can't use 10kV |
| 04:48:27 | nuum | instruments of the future |
| 04:48:36 | nuum | embrace it while you still can |
| 04:49:26 | captain_proton | 2/5 done with homework |
| 04:49:31 | captain_proton | DemonMoose: jousting? |
| 04:50:27 | captain_proton | when i'm done? |
| 04:51:32 | DemonMoose | sure |
| 04:51:33 | DemonMoose | I suppose |
| 04:51:43 | DemonMoose | got a good 'fiene buzz goin' |
| 04:52:21 | captain_proton | more coffee? |
| 04:52:25 | captain_proton | you fiend |
| 04:52:49 | nuum | drink up, its early! |
| 04:53:01 | captain_proton | just downed a coke |
| 04:54:48 | BZFlag | nuum: do you have a SF account? |
| 04:54:51 | captain_proton | viio4/2 iii6 iii6/4 iii6 iii f#: i6 VI i6 V4/3 i |
| 04:54:58 | captain_proton | weird ass excerpt |
| 04:55:09 | captain_proton | 3/5 done! |
| 04:55:10 | BZFlag | you can post patches/bug/comments/etc with any SF account. |
| 04:55:25 | BZFlag | captain_proton: no. |
| 04:55:28 | nuum | BZFlag: no, |
| 04:55:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ? |
| 04:55:45 | BZFlag | 1.7e6 is fine. |
| 04:55:49 | nuum | diminished vii? minor third? wtf? |
| 04:55:50 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i'm talking about my homework - what are you talking about ? |
| 04:56:01 | nuum | i say renamed bzflag to viio4/2 |
| 04:56:05 | BZFlag | <captain_proton> BZFlag: rcam says you want to call this 2.0 - that true? |
| 04:56:08 | captain_proton | nuum: fully diminised 7th cord, 2nd inversion |
| 04:56:10 | captain_proton | ahh BZFlag |
| 04:56:16 | captain_proton | not the 1.8 |
| 04:56:17 | captain_proton | erk |
| 04:56:21 | captain_proton | not the 1.7e6 release |
| 04:56:26 | captain_proton | he was referring to the 1.8 tree |
| 04:56:52 | BZFlag | oh, 1.8 might be called 2.0. it depends on how far we get down the list before release. |
| 04:57:05 | captain_proton | gotcha |
| 04:58:56 | BZFlag | if the karma system is there, and the gui code that's in progress, and all the net changes for cheap protection etc, then 2.0 makes sense. |
| 04:59:36 | BZFlag | er cheat, not cheap. ;-) |
| 04:59:51 | BZFlag | rcam freudian slip? |
| 04:59:56 | captain_proton | perhaps |
| 05:01:08 | captain_proton | we were thinking that your 'wounds' vs 'sounds' earlier was a freudian slip |
| 05:05:46 | captain_proton | 4/5 done! |
| 05:13:16 | BZFlag | captain_proton: keri (my wife) want's to know what the homework is. |
| 05:13:26 | captain_proton | BZFlag: music theory |
| 05:14:10 | BZFlag | that's what she guessed. She's taken that here. what song was the except from? |
| 05:14:47 | captain_proton | lessee |
| 05:14:55 | captain_proton | the one i spewed the chords for? |
| 05:15:27 | captain_proton | that one is Schubert's "Auf dem Flusse" |
| 05:15:32 | captain_proton | and now I am done |
| 05:15:32 | captain_proton | ! |
| 05:17:32 | captain_proton | pokes DemonMoose |
| 05:20:26 | BZFlag | keri says shes singing a Handel aria called "Susse Stille" on sunday. |
| 05:20:37 | BZFlag | ibot: x de en Susse Stille |
| 05:20:38 | | BZFlag: Susse silence |
| 05:21:16 | BZFlag | ibot x en de sweet silence |
| 05:21:16 | | BZFlag: sÞsser Silence |
| 05:21:18 | captain_proton | i'm not too much a fan of the earlist baroque |
| 05:21:34 | captain_proton | more into the grotesque 20th century tonal-ish music |
| 05:21:37 | BZFlag | yeah, I think it's baroquen too. |
| 05:21:39 | captain_proton | and romantic |
| 05:22:11 | BZFlag | keri's working on a masters in choral conducting. |
| 05:22:25 | captain_proton | interesting |
| 05:22:53 | captain_proton | calls - DEMONMOOSE!!! |
| 05:22:57 | captain_proton | listens to the echo |
| 05:25:04 | DemonMoose | what? |
| 05:25:10 | captain_proton | DemonMoose: i'm done |
| 05:25:13 | DemonMoose | ok |
| 05:25:20 | captain_proton | schnellio around? |
| 05:25:23 | DemonMoose | not sure. |
| 05:25:27 | DemonMoose | kinda workin' on something |
| 05:26:02 | DemonMoose | come ova if you like. |
| 05:26:31 | jacques | cheap cheat protection |
| 05:27:33 | captain_proton | ehh |
| 05:27:37 | captain_proton | i'll wait for ya |
| 05:27:58 | DemonMoose | come over, bring your stuff. I'll check on schnell |
| 05:28:33 | scanline | is away: ZzZzz |
| 05:29:58 | captain_proton | puts on real shoes |
| 05:30:23 | captain_proton | DemonMoose: you fellas got helmets now? |
| 05:32:27 | DemonMoose | I do |
| 05:33:06 | captain_proton | what of schnell - he available? |
| 05:33:39 | BZFlag | available for what? |
| 05:33:46 | captain_proton | BZFlag: bicycle jousting |
| 05:33:59 | captain_proton | shall vanquish DemonMoose!! |
| 05:34:01 | BZFlag | I'll play if I get the GM. |
| 05:34:13 | captain_proton | all you get is a wiffle bat |
| 05:34:26 | captain_proton | but you can draw or write whatever you want on it |
| 05:34:37 | BZFlag | I can't bring my broadsword? |
| 05:35:02 | captain_proton | can you handle a broadsword whilst riding a bike through a bumpy field? |
| 05:35:12 | BZFlag | probably. |
| 05:35:23 | captain_proton | oh? |
| 05:35:52 | captain_proton | you must be more talented than us |
| 05:36:18 | BZFlag | well, we used to play bicycle polo with croquet mallets and a small rubber ball. |
| 05:36:42 | BZFlag | the wooden balls were tough on spokes and ankles. |
| 05:36:52 | captain_proton | i bet |
| 05:37:18 | DemonMoose | schnell not around |
| 05:37:34 | jacques | we used to bike joust too |
| 05:37:34 | captain_proton | sniff |
| 05:37:39 | DemonMoose | nobody knows where he is htough |
| 05:37:42 | DemonMoose | so he might be back |
| 05:37:50 | jacques | but the object was to knock the other person off their bike with your bike |
| 05:37:51 | captain_proton | probably kicking phil or something |
| 05:38:03 | jacques | one time we broke the frame on my brothre's bike |
| 05:38:30 | DemonMoose | can't find him. |
| 05:38:58 | captain_proton | :( |
| 05:39:04 | captain_proton | i'm gonna hold off a bit on coming then |
| 05:39:18 | DemonMoose | ok |
| 05:45:52 | BZFlag | yeah, in polo atacking the other guy would get you a penalty. |
| 05:47:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: any clue how the <choice> nodes work? |
| 05:51:07 | captain_proton | n/m, think i got it |
| 05:55:21 | captain_proton | hmm maybe not |
| 05:57:51 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: how do choice nodes work?!?! |
| 06:02:25 | captain_proton | frowns |
| 06:06:56 | MrApathyCream | xml schema choice nodes? |
| 06:07:32 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 06:10:09 | MrApathyCream | <xsd:complexType name="Flag"> |
| 06:10:14 | MrApathyCream | <xsd:choice> |
| 06:10:34 | captain_proton | erk |
| 06:10:38 | captain_proton | not that |
| 06:10:40 | captain_proton | in bzflag |
| 06:10:47 | captain_proton | the xml stuff |
| 06:10:55 | MrApathyCream | oh, crs's choice |
| 06:11:02 | captain_proton | nevermind - i'm just splitting it up into lots of near-identical models and using <if>'s |
| 06:13:21 | captain_proton | w000000000000000000000t |
| 06:13:30 | captain_proton | flag indicator works :) |
| 06:13:46 | captain_proton | kicks DemonMoose - still no ryan? |
| 06:15:23 | MrApathyCream | <vogon_jeltz>: More than anything else, this code was released to get Captain Proton off my ass |
| 06:18:10 | MrApathyCream | <vogon_jeltz>: BZFlag-SDL. TEH FUTARE SI NOW. |
| 06:45:52 | onthemark | hey all |
| 06:48:07 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 06:48:55 | onthemark | hey mr a |
| 06:59:49 | nuum | oooka! okkka! my tree! |
| 07:00:03 | captain_proton | ? |
| 07:01:14 | nuum | monkeyboy! |
| 07:03:08 | captain_proton | argg |
| 07:03:11 | captain_proton | i need a motive |
| 07:03:49 | nuum | motivation? frustration. and patience, patience, patience. |
| 07:04:03 | jacques | 1.7 cvs keeps hanging on me when I join a server |
| 07:04:17 | captain_proton | no |
| 07:04:18 | captain_proton | a motive |
| 07:04:23 | captain_proton | musical motive |
| 07:04:35 | jpablo | jacques: same to my. |
| 07:04:37 | jacques | 100% cp uthis time |
| 07:04:51 | jpablo | looks like the cvs bzfs does not work. |
| 07:04:55 | jpablo | the clients works ok for me. |
| 07:04:56 | nuum | steal some dvorak |
| 07:05:07 | captain_proton | gotta be originale |
| 07:05:13 | nuum | make it original |
| 07:05:17 | jacques | jpablo: I mean the client hangs on me |
| 07:05:26 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:05:36 | captain_proton | i'm just sitting here without a single idea to speak of |
| 07:05:59 | jpablo | oh, the clien works fine here. |
| 07:06:02 | jpablo | not the server. |
| 07:06:08 | jpablo | tested on two diferents machines. |
| 07:06:13 | nuum | captain_proton: time signature? |
| 07:06:24 | captain_proton | 4 4 |
| 07:06:35 | BZFlag | ok, so what are valid nick characters? just isprint() ? |
| 07:06:36 | nuum | man, go to 3/4 |
| 07:06:42 | captain_proton | fine |
| 07:06:55 | jacques | too bad because I like the brighter colors and radar in cvs |
| 07:07:31 | captain_proton | nuum: seeing as i'm starting over, i have -nothing- |
| 07:07:42 | nuum | this is due tomorrow? |
| 07:07:45 | captain_proton | thurs |
| 07:07:47 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:07:55 | captain_proton | i've still got my old one as a backup |
| 07:08:00 | captain_proton | but i want something that i actually like |
| 07:08:02 | nuum | what is the assignment? |
| 07:08:06 | captain_proton | 1-3 minutes |
| 07:08:13 | nuum | anything? |
| 07:08:15 | captain_proton | tonal |
| 07:08:17 | captain_proton | thats about it |
| 07:08:23 | BZFlag | jpablo: current cvs? what os? public servers? |
| 07:08:37 | nuum | so some harmony, how many voices? |
| 07:08:42 | captain_proton | 1 |
| 07:08:44 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:08:48 | nuum | 1??!?!? |
| 07:08:49 | jpablo | BZFlag: linux, current cvs. |
| 07:08:50 | jacques | hmm I think cvs may just not react well to blocked UDP ports |
| 07:08:54 | nuum | you can't write just one? |
| 07:09:01 | captain_proton | nuum: certain chords can be played |
| 07:09:02 | jpablo | BZFlag: let me make sure i'm on the very lastes cvs. |
| 07:09:13 | jacques | whereas 1.7e4 does the "not responding " thing |
| 07:09:21 | nuum | with just one you have to do something in a minor key |
| 07:09:27 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:09:31 | jacques | it appears that cvs 1.7 hangs at 100% cpu |
| 07:09:38 | captain_proton | d minor looks good ;) |
| 07:09:39 | BZFlag | 100% on what? |
| 07:09:52 | jacques | please define what |
| 07:09:58 | captain_proton | client? server? |
| 07:10:02 | jacques | client |
| 07:10:11 | jpablo | BZFlag: crap, it work now. |
| 07:10:21 | captain_proton | could be main process crashing & audio process running away |
| 07:11:07 | jacques | that sounds reasonable |
| 07:11:51 | captain_proton | kill -9 from the console & see if its dumping core |
| 07:12:44 | jacques | yes it does |
| 07:13:00 | captain_proton | build with DEBUG, run, then do a stack trace on the core |
| 07:13:24 | jacques | ok |
| 07:14:22 | BZFlag | try running it again now that you have killed the spinnign audio process. |
| 07:14:46 | jacques | building with debug |
| 07:18:36 | jacques | ok I just ran it and got it to start spinning |
| 07:18:54 | jacques | only one bzflag process is shown by ps - does that mean one thread died? |
| 07:19:22 | jacques | yeah I have a core file dated 00:19 |
| 07:19:41 | nuum | hit it with gdb |
| 07:20:23 | jacques | ok someoe remind be how to use the most nonintuitive app in the world |
| 07:20:40 | jacques | how do I get gdb to load the corefile ? |
| 07:21:17 | jacques | ok I think I got it |
| 07:21:44 | jacques | any way I can paste the trace without getting booted? |
| 07:21:54 | nuum | one line at a time |
| 07:21:59 | nuum | slime it into #bzflag |
| 07:22:04 | jacques | what a PITA |
| 07:22:19 | nuum | pita? wtf like the bread? |
| 07:23:16 | jacques | #0 0x40206ae1 in __kill () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 |
| 07:23:20 | jacques | #1 0x402068ba in raise (sig=11) at ../sysdeps/posix/raise.c:27 |
| 07:23:22 | jacques | #2 0x0806efc2 in dying (sig=11) at playing.cxx:315 |
| 07:23:25 | jacques | #3 <signal handler called> |
| 07:23:28 | jacques | #4 ShotPath::getFlag (this=0x0) at ShotPath.h:175 |
| 07:23:31 | jacques | #5 0x0807321c in handleServerMessage (human=1 '\001', code=27500, |
| 07:23:31 | jacques | msg=0xbfffe312) at playing.cxx:1629 |
| 07:23:34 | jacques | #6 0x08074d07 in doMessages () at playing.cxx:2101 |
| 07:23:37 | jacques | #7 0x0807a71c in playingLoop () at playing.cxx:3619 |
| 07:23:40 | jacques | #8 0x0807e692 in startPlaying (_display=0x80f9f70, renderer=@0xbffff360, |
| 07:23:40 | jacques | _resources=@0x80f5480, _info=0x80f5320) at playing.cxx:4732 |
| 07:23:43 | jacques | #9 0x0809333f in main (argc=4, argv=0xbffff8f4) at bzflag.cxx:1137 |
| 07:23:48 | jacques | #10 0x401f4627 in __libc_start_main (main=0x80900e0 <main>, argc=4, |
| 07:23:48 | jacques | ubp_av=0xbffff8f4, init=0x804b7f8 <_init>, fini=0x80e0920 <_fini>, |
| 07:23:48 | jacques | rtld_fini=0x4000dcc4 <_dl_fini>, stack_end=0xbffff8ec) |
| 07:23:48 | jacques | at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 |
| 07:23:56 | jacques | et fini |
| 07:24:43 | nuum | any idea whats at playing.cxx:315? |
| 07:24:50 | nuum | can ibot quote that stuff? |
| 07:27:21 | captain_proton | ooo! |
| 07:27:37 | captain_proton | jacques: i know about that crash |
| 07:27:44 | jacques | cool :-) |
| 07:30:12 | jacques | is it set off by blocked udp ports? |
| 07:30:30 | captain_proton | shouldn't be |
| 07:30:51 | jacques | same server that crashes 1.7cvs gives me the all tanks "not responding" problem in e4 |
| 07:31:12 | jacques | wihch seems to be realated to our firewall here at the office |
| 07:31:24 | jacques | sometimes I can play udp, sometimes not |
| 07:31:29 | jacques | i never have the problem at home |
| 07:31:51 | jacques | and the thing is - same server may work tomorrow |
| 07:32:05 | captain_proton | its a problem with recieving a bad MsgKilled |
| 07:32:24 | captain_proton | time for WINDOWS! |
| 07:32:46 | captain_proton | ugggg |
| 07:35:36 | jacques | cool, new sysstat/iostat can display in kB/s |
| 07:51:55 | jacques | heading home |
| 08:22:16 | BZFlag | hacks up the random ctf patch |
| 10:29:22 | fontenot | damn dsl was down afain |
| 10:29:28 | fontenot | again |
| 10:32:29 | Chestal | re |
| 11:46:20 | tad__ | how do I get the CVS? |
| 11:47:58 | tad__ | its says cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 11:48:02 | tad__ | oops |
| 11:48:22 | tad__ | cvs:cammand not found |
| 13:02:14 | T-34 | Hi tankers |
| 13:03:05 | T-34 | Chestal? |
| 13:05:34 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 13:05:37 | iLLf8d | how goes it |
| 13:05:55 | Chestal | jo |
| 13:06:17 | T-34 | Chestal please tell me something! |
| 13:06:39 | T-34 | Till one year ago I can play Bz on our LAN |
| 13:07:00 | T-34 | now, I start a server but the others on our LAN can't see it |
| 13:07:13 | iLLf8d | well they expire like bad fruit |
| 13:07:14 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 13:07:15 | iLLf8d | jk |
| 13:07:49 | T-34 | What I must do to play on LAN? |
| 13:07:58 | Chestal | which server version? |
| 13:08:18 | T-34 | I start from 1.7e4 |
| 13:08:28 | T-34 | on WinXP |
| 13:08:30 | Chestal | ok, e4 has some problems with lan play |
| 13:08:38 | T-34 | also I tried on Win98 |
| 13:08:45 | T-34 | ah |
| 13:08:47 | T-34 | ok |
| 13:09:01 | Chestal | I think you have two options: use e5 from cvs or modify e4 source |
| 13:09:13 | T-34 | I'll take an older version |
| 13:09:24 | T-34 | Thank you! |
| 13:09:26 | Chestal | if you do not have access to a compiler: I think MrApathyCream has some binaries of recent E5 code |
| 13:09:34 | Chestal | ok, that's the 3rd option :-) |
| 13:09:40 | T-34 | I never look into the sources |
| 13:10:16 | T-34 | ok |
| 13:10:20 | T-34 | thanks |
| 13:15:07 | T-34 | Chestal? |
| 13:15:07 | T-34 | Me again |
| 13:15:20 | T-34 | Another question |
| 13:15:31 | T-34 | In fact an request |
| 13:16:59 | jaffar | what do i need in order to get a linux bzflag server running ? |
| 13:20:55 | Chestal | T-34: just ask if you have a question anytime. I usually read the backlog here |
| 13:21:08 | Chestal | jaffar: a Linux box and a bzfs binary :-) |
| 13:21:25 | Chestal | jaffar: and preferrably a fast network |
| 13:21:32 | jaffar | Chestal which one of the files ? |
| 13:21:47 | Chestal | jaffar: bzfs is the server |
| 13:21:57 | T-34 | Well Chestal actually my request was to talk with jaffar |
| 13:22:15 | T-34 | 'he's our system engineer |
| 13:22:21 | Chestal | heh, Zbflag is 13th on sf activity ranking |
| 13:22:50 | Chestal | jaffar: LAN play or internet? |
| 13:23:01 | T-34 | and we want to open an server from here |
| 13:24:03 | jaffar | lan play for now, internet play later when we'll get enough bandwidth :> |
| 13:24:52 | Chestal | LAN play should be easy. There are problems with e4 though, so either use an older or a newer version |
| 13:24:59 | Chestal | we'll have e6 release in a few days probably |
| 13:25:19 | Chestal | you just have to figure out your preferred set of options for bzfs |
| 13:27:11 | jaffar | yeah i know, thats why im asking someone who has already done that :P |
| 13:27:58 | Chestal | well, it depends on what you want? jumping, flags, number of players etc. |
| 13:28:37 | Chestal | I think Cream has an applet online whichlet's you choose bzfs options via a nice interface |
| 13:29:52 | Chestal | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html bzbat builder |
| 13:29:57 | tad__ | hey! |
| 13:30:26 | tad__ | how do I get the 1.8 source off of CVS? |
| 13:30:35 | tad__ | on windows? |
| 13:30:51 | Chestal | use CVS |
| 13:30:57 | tad__ | I did |
| 13:31:05 | tad__ | but how? |
| 13:31:09 | tad__ | I used winCVS |
| 13:31:23 | Chestal | hmm, I don't knwo wincvs |
| 13:31:26 | tad__ | and I cant get cvs to compile on mygwin |
| 13:31:34 | tad__ | cvgwin |
| 13:31:42 | tad__ | ok ok cygwin |
| 13:31:42 | Chestal | https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 has generic instructions on how to get it via cvs |
| 13:31:59 | tad__ | I saw that |
| 13:32:14 | tad__ | but I need to get it from windows |
| 13:32:42 | tad__ | can you put all the files in a .gz file? |
| 13:32:46 | Chestal | well, it should work similar? |
| 13:32:54 | tad__ | hmmm |
| 13:33:19 | tad__ | do you know where I can get all the files in one archive? |
| 13:33:22 | Chestal | I can make a tar.gz of current CVS if you like. 1_7 or 1.8? |
| 13:33:33 | tad__ | sure |
| 13:33:34 | Chestal | CVS would be better for you though |
| 13:33:37 | tad__ | yea |
| 13:33:44 | tad__ | but I cant get to it |
| 13:33:52 | tad__ | 1.8 ;) |
| 13:34:05 | tad__ | thanks |
| 13:34:10 | Chestal | must update my 1.8 tree first |
| 13:34:16 | tad__ | lol |
| 13:34:19 | tad__ | how big is it? |
| 13:34:45 | Chestal | uaah, I used the wrong local directory |
| 13:34:52 | Chestal | my old 1.7 ismessed up now, hmm |
| 13:35:02 | tad__ | linux...... |
| 13:35:06 | tad__ | you mess up |
| 13:35:11 | tad__ | and it breaks |
| 13:35:15 | tad__ | ;) |
| 13:35:22 | Chestal | problem is I have 3 different bzflag trees here |
| 13:35:29 | tad__ | really |
| 13:35:40 | Chestal | 1.8, current 1.7 and old 1.7 I am using here |
| 13:35:51 | tad__ | lol |
| 13:36:09 | tad__ | organized I see |
| 13:36:11 | jaffar | how do i tell the server i want a capture-the-flag game ? |
| 13:36:22 | Chestal | -c |
| 13:36:24 | tad__ | put -c |
| 13:36:30 | tad__ | :O |
| 13:36:33 | Chestal | but you cannot have ducati-style ctf for now |
| 13:36:39 | tad__ | why? |
| 13:37:26 | Chestal | beacuse it's a private patch I made |
| 13:37:32 | tad__ | oh |
| 13:37:35 | tad__ | thats right |
| 13:37:39 | Chestal | it's (slightly modified) in current 1.7 CVS though |
| 13:37:49 | tad__ | cool |
| 13:37:55 | Chestal | 5770748 Apr 17 15:40 bzflag18.tgz |
| 13:38:06 | tad__ | ok |
| 13:38:11 | tad__ | where? |
| 13:38:39 | Chestal | ftp://ftp.unix-ag.org/user/thilo/ |
| 13:38:52 | Chestal | ok, have to go for now |
| 13:39:00 | tad__ | me too |
| 13:39:01 | tad__ | l8r |
| 13:39:31 | T-34 | Chestal, bhaskara hasn't the same ducati options? |
| 13:40:47 | Chestal | T-34: bashkara is using my source |
| 13:41:19 | T-34 | ah ok |
| 13:41:38 | jaffar | what about the walls reflecting the shots ? |
| 13:42:28 | Chestal | -r |
| 13:42:32 | Chestal | ok, I'm off |
| 13:42:47 | T-34 | thanks |
| 13:42:55 | T-34 | Bye |
| 13:43:49 | jaffar | -r does not reflect the shots.. |
| 13:46:01 | T-34 | bye all |
| 13:46:07 | jaffar | its +r :> |
| 13:46:30 | tad__ | lol |
| 15:49:55 | scanline | is back (gone 10:21:22) |
| 15:56:36 | vogon_jeltz | hah. |
| 15:56:44 | vogon_jeltz | the world I was working on segfaults bzedit. |
| 16:05:55 | vogon_jeltz | slaps cappy around a bit. |
| 16:13:46 | captain_proton | i hate incompetant teammates |
| 16:13:59 | captain_proton | they swear when our flag is captured and do nothing when the team grabs it again |
| 16:15:04 | vogon_jeltz | cappy: you got a half-decent bzedit 2.0 tree lying around? |
| 16:15:16 | vogon_jeltz | I have an urge to make a BZFlag map. |
| 16:15:52 | captain_proton | mebbe |
| 16:16:02 | captain_proton | i don't know what version you've got |
| 16:16:21 | captain_proton | this is whatever is latest |
| 16:16:36 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. OK. |
| 16:16:52 | vogon_jeltz | I have a version of BZEdit from, like, December of last year. |
| 16:17:44 | captain_proton | thats probably what this is |
| 16:18:07 | vogon_jeltz | it better not segfault when I try to load my m4d w0r1d. |
| 16:18:37 | vogon_jeltz | I'm gonna screenshot it, too, because it looks as if the new version of gdkxft agrees with it. |
| 16:18:55 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 16:19:02 | vogon_jeltz | you will have a m4d 31337 screenie of bzedit by the end of today. |
| 16:19:05 | captain_proton | set __GL_FSAA_MODE too |
| 16:19:09 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 16:19:14 | vogon_jeltz | and __GL_DEFAULT_MAP_ANISO. |
| 16:20:08 | vogon_jeltz | hey, it segfaults. c00l! |
| 16:20:20 | vogon_jeltz | chalks it up to a malformed world. |
| 16:20:22 | captain_proton | w00t |
| 16:27:18 | vogon_jeltz | it looks mad l337. |
| 16:27:36 | vogon_jeltz | now, to design a new world. |
| 16:28:41 | vogon_jeltz | and, may I ask, what the flying phrack is that slider doing in the toolbar? |
| 16:28:55 | captain_proton | its supposed to control opacity |
| 16:28:58 | captain_proton | but it doesn't quite work |
| 16:29:00 | vogon_jeltz | ahh. |
| 16:29:03 | captain_proton | it will make things transparent |
| 16:29:09 | captain_proton | but doesn't seem to change the value very well |
| 16:30:01 | captain_proton | heya crs23 |
| 16:30:07 | crs23 | hey cap'n |
| 16:30:11 | vogon_jeltz | hey, chris. |
| 16:30:28 | captain_proton | flag indicator (in its limited ugly temporary-art form) works |
| 16:30:29 | crs23 | hey vogon_jeltz. sorry about the shift stuff with key events |
| 16:30:38 | crs23 | that's actually a bug and should be fixes |
| 16:30:41 | crs23 | er, fixed |
| 16:30:50 | crs23 | captain_proton, cool |
| 16:30:52 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I fixed it. |
| 16:30:56 | vogon_jeltz | it works. |
| 16:31:00 | vogon_jeltz | party down. |
| 16:31:42 | vogon_jeltz | the way I see it, it's more a bug in SDL. |
| 16:31:53 | crs23 | anybody know if/where cvs stores the temporary commit log file? cvs is frozen on a commit and i don't want to type the log entry all over again. |
| 16:32:45 | captain_proton | crs23: its some temporary file in /tmp - probably starts with CVS or cvs |
| 16:33:15 | crs23 | vogon_jeltz, maybe but a and shift+a should both yield `a' and the latter should add the shift flag. the problem is edit fields. |
| 16:33:16 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: b00g in bzedit. you still working on it? |
| 16:33:25 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: not really working on this one anymore |
| 16:33:30 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: :/ |
| 16:33:35 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: gonna start an editor for 1.8 once the world format is really defined |
| 16:33:47 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: true, true. |
| 16:34:50 | crs23 | captain_proton, i assumed /tmp but no joy |
| 16:34:53 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: hmm. I could work around that in the BzfEvent code, but it might require some i18n. |
| 16:35:41 | crs23 | maybe just a method to convert a BzfEvent to a char. |
| 16:35:56 | vogon_jeltz | *nod* |
| 16:37:39 | vogon_jeltz | but it's not really worth it unless we add support for other APIs that don't capitalize shifted keysyms. |
| 16:37:54 | vogon_jeltz | s/capitalize/shift/ |
| 16:38:24 | captain_proton | ya know...the word 'shift' makes sense in a sick and twisted ASCII sort of way |
| 16:38:31 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: heh. |
| 16:38:46 | vogon_jeltz | my first priority is to add i18n support for my hack around the bug. |
| 16:39:10 | vogon_jeltz | an extra header should work OK. |
| 16:39:47 | crs23 | well, i'd like to make the shift/ctrl/alt keys available for binding. |
| 16:40:05 | vogon_jeltz | hmm, good point. |
| 16:40:08 | captain_proton | have it recognize shift+key, etc |
| 16:40:09 | captain_proton | ? |
| 16:40:56 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: well, shifted printable ASCII isn't going to be all that useful unless we add in some way to discern context. |
| 16:41:21 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: or force all chat messages into lower-case ;) |
| 16:41:33 | captain_proton | haha vogon_jeltz |
| 16:41:57 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: and there's already a way to use shifted non-printables (the F-keys mainly), just no code that exploits it. |
| 16:41:59 | crs23 | right. chat needs to convert key events into characters. otherwise each key is treated as a simple button. |
| 16:42:53 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i use shifted function keys |
| 16:42:57 | captain_proton | has X on VT13 =) |
| 16:43:04 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: lucky bastage. ;) |
| 16:43:06 | crs23 | so, for example, if i've got `A' bound to jump then shift+a should still jump |
| 16:43:29 | vogon_jeltz | there are a few things I'd like to fix before that, though. |
| 16:43:34 | crs23 | sure |
| 16:43:49 | vogon_jeltz | I need to get res switching working, and figure out how the hell to move a window using SDL. :P |
| 16:44:12 | vogon_jeltz | there's no way to do it platform-independently, so I'm seeing a big mess of #ifdefs in my future. |
| 16:44:24 | crs23 | grr, lost my commit log entry. captain_proton, you're right it's in /tmp/cvs* but that's removed once you finish editing it. |
| 16:45:32 | crs23 | vogon_jeltz, that's unfortunate. perhaps you can leverage the existing platform dependent files. |
| 16:45:50 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 16:46:07 | vogon_jeltz | but I'll need contributions from the Mac/Win32 wonks on that. |
| 16:46:26 | crs23 | i can help with win32 |
| 16:46:32 | vogon_jeltz | never even tried to grok Win32. |
| 16:46:52 | vogon_jeltz | on another note, bzgview doesn't seem to work right with the SDL rendering code. |
| 16:47:10 | crs23 | i had to for a job. then continued with it for a couple more jobs. it's pretty lame. and the docs *suck*. |
| 16:47:15 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i think you're gonna have to be modifying the SDL_SysWMInfo struct |
| 16:47:27 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: yeah, but problem is, it's not a struct, it's a union. ;) |
| 16:47:40 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the individual window managers tack on random crap to the end. |
| 16:47:56 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the code's there, and it should theoretically work, but it doesn't. |
| 16:48:24 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: true - #typedef's ;) |
| 16:48:31 | vogon_jeltz | another pseudo-bug lies in the fact that SDL_SetVideoMode calls with the SDL_OPENGL flag default to fullscreen. |
| 16:48:41 | captain_proton | it does ? |
| 16:48:46 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I think. |
| 16:48:59 | vogon_jeltz | either that, or it's the 1024x768x32 speaking. ;) |
| 16:49:07 | captain_proton | haha |
| 16:49:12 | crs23 | is that a problem? |
| 16:49:25 | vogon_jeltz | I'll see if it sorts itself out when I get res switching wedged in. |
| 16:49:29 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: yeah, a bit. |
| 16:49:43 | crs23 | bzflag only res switches when in fullscreen anyway |
| 16:50:03 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: makes the whole screen flash black. no biggie, but kind of annoying, especially for programs like bzgview (invoked repeatedly, short runtimes) |
| 16:50:43 | crs23 | is SDL_SetVideoMode to switch resolutions (or color depth)? |
| 16:51:00 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: yes, and to initially get a drawable surface for a program. |
| 16:51:03 | lupinator | salut |
| 16:51:07 | vogon_jeltz | hey, lupi. |
| 16:51:30 | crs23 | oh, if you need to call it to get any drawing surface then that is a problem |
| 16:51:36 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: yeah. |
| 16:52:07 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: but it's only really visible if you're looking for it. |
| 16:52:52 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: plus, I think there's a problem with the bzgview gamma settings, but it could just be SDL using a different scale than what I thought. |
| 16:55:02 | jpablo | men i hate laggers. |
| 16:57:06 | vogon_jeltz | tracks down the window-positioning bug. |
| 16:58:11 | vogon_jeltz | hey, it segfaults in XMoveWindow(). lovely. |
| 16:58:47 | Chestal | re |
| 16:58:50 | vogon_jeltz | heya. |
| 16:59:14 | crs23 | he |
| 16:59:16 | crs23 | er, hey |
| 17:00:04 | Chestal | no CVS commits since I last looked? that's lame ;-) |
| 17:00:19 | vogon_jeltz | grumble. |
| 17:00:22 | captain_proton | Chestal: crs is trying to figger out how to work cvs |
| 17:00:28 | captain_proton | grins |
| 17:00:33 | vogon_jeltz | how do I prepend a flag to CXXFLAGS without fiddling with the Makefiles? |
| 17:00:42 | crs23 | hey! phhttt! |
| 17:00:44 | Chestal | hmm, what else should go into e6? |
| 17:00:54 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: make CXXFLAGS=blah should automatically prepend |
| 17:01:00 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: it doesn't. |
| 17:01:06 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: then fiddle with the makefile |
| 17:01:07 | crs23 | use LCXXOPTS=foo |
| 17:01:07 | Chestal | e6 realyl should be the last 1.7 release |
| 17:01:08 | vogon_jeltz | coughs in crs's direction. |
| 17:01:13 | vogon_jeltz | ahh. |
| 17:01:46 | crs23 | or LCXXDEFS or LCXXINCS (for -D or -I options, respectively) |
| 17:01:54 | vogon_jeltz | compiles with debugging symbols |
| 17:02:13 | captain_proton | doesn't make DEBUG=1 do that automatically? |
| 17:02:17 | Chestal | there is no cvs undo, is there? |
| 17:02:19 | vogon_jeltz | bastard. |
| 17:02:35 | captain_proton | Chestal: you can revert back to a previous version if you want to |
| 17:02:37 | vogon_jeltz | nope. |
| 17:02:43 | crs23 | you can also `make linux-debug' then `make' |
| 17:02:49 | Chestal | captain_proton: well, previous version only existed on my hard disk |
| 17:02:55 | captain_proton | oh |
| 17:02:57 | captain_proton | then no |
| 17:03:02 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: thank you. |
| 17:03:27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 17:03:27 | Chestal | 130 players |
| 17:03:34 | captain_proton | should autoconfiscate this before it gets too big |
| 17:03:51 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, good point. |
| 17:05:29 | hippie | vogon_jeltz: i'm not entirely clear on this... should I or should I not post suggestions for new game types? |
| 17:05:34 | crs23 | okay, my latest 1.8 changes are committed |
| 17:05:58 | vogon_jeltz | hippie: if you have enough support, feel free. |
| 17:06:13 | hippie | goes girdle-shopping. |
| 17:06:14 | vogon_jeltz | hippie: but only if you also have someone volunteering to do the work. |
| 17:06:37 | vogon_jeltz | hippie: otherwise, it gets stuck on the back of our queue. |
| 17:06:58 | hippie | sits at the back of the queue on the "Group W" bench. |
| 17:07:57 | vogon_jeltz | I think we need to have a page for the masses that summarizes what each of us is working on. |
| 17:08:17 | hippie | That would be nifty. |
| 17:08:35 | crs23 | sounds like a good idea. will it stay up-to-date, though? |
| 17:08:45 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: it'd be easy enough to do. |
| 17:09:00 | crs23 | true. go for it. :) |
| 17:09:12 | vogon_jeltz | sweet. |
| 17:09:17 | vogon_jeltz | my assertion failed! |
| 17:09:19 | crs23 | would it bother anybody if teleporting happened when you touch a teleporter rather than drive halfway through it? |
| 17:09:24 | vogon_jeltz | bzgview: SDLWindow.cxx:66: void SDLWindow::setPosition (int, int): Assertion `(wminfo.info.x11.display != __null) && (wminfo.info.x11.window != __null)' failed. |
| 17:09:35 | vogon_jeltz | now to find out which one is null. :P |
| 17:10:16 | vogon_jeltz | and why, too. |
| 17:11:21 | crs23 | any opinions on my teleporter question, anyone? |
| 17:11:26 | lupinator | crs: what happens on the other side? |
| 17:11:46 | lupinator | is the tank all teh way though? |
| 17:11:51 | crs23 | you appear suddenly about as far from the teleporter as when you touched it |
| 17:11:51 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: I've got no opinion. :) |
| 17:12:05 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. |
| 17:12:39 | vogon_jeltz | this is very interesting. |
| 17:12:40 | crs23 | i'm thinking about replacing how teleporters work and that'd make it much easier |
| 17:13:00 | lupinator | what about phantom zone? |
| 17:13:14 | captain_proton | i don't know - i like the way it looks now |
| 17:13:26 | lupinator | and teleporters that don't really teleport? |
| 17:13:32 | vogon_jeltz | $ ./bzgview ../data/tank1.bzg |
| 17:13:32 | vogon_jeltz | cannot find texture flage |
| 17:13:32 | vogon_jeltz | cannot find texture flage |
| 17:13:32 | vogon_jeltz | bzgview: SDLWindow.cxx:66: void SDLWindow::setPosition (int, int): Assertion `(wminfo.info.x11.display != __null)' failed. |
| 17:13:42 | vogon_jeltz | that does not make any sense. |
| 17:15:02 | captain_proton | crs23: ooo - i like the new regions stuff |
| 17:15:21 | crs23 | my idea is to replace teleporter polygon with a teleporter volume (i.e. region) |
| 17:15:29 | vogon_jeltz | sweet. |
| 17:15:52 | crs23 | but the clipping against the teleporter becomes much more complicated |
| 17:16:11 | crs23 | if just touching a teleporter causes teleportation then i can side-step the problem |
| 17:16:37 | captain_proton | if you could make some nifty graphics for getting 'sucked' into a teleporter it could work |
| 17:16:51 | crs23 | we could use your particles for that |
| 17:18:43 | vogon_jeltz | I think I can sidestep the whole ifdef thing because of Lantinga's cool design decision. |
| 17:18:58 | crs23 | how's that? |
| 17:19:49 | vogon_jeltz | hmm, wait, never mind. |
| 17:20:53 | nuum | how do i get bzgview to view stuff like tank1.bzg? i can get explosion to work, but all i get is a black screen with tank1.bzg,etc |
| 17:22:31 | crs23 | that's because it doesn't set a color, so the tank is black. |
| 17:23:02 | nuum | how do i set a color? |
| 17:23:34 | crs23 | make a file with the following: |
| 17:23:39 | crs23 | <geometry><color>1 1 1 1</color><!INCLUDE "tank1.bzg" /></geometry> |
| 17:23:43 | crs23 | and load that instead |
| 17:24:04 | crs23 | the color 1 1 1 1 is opaque white. red is 1 0 0 1. |
| 17:24:42 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. it doesn't segfault anymore, but it doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 17:24:46 | vogon_jeltz | score. |
| 17:25:21 | nuum | i see a faint faint tank.. :( |
| 17:26:15 | crs23 | try adding `-l' to the bzgview command line |
| 17:26:24 | crs23 | that turns on lighting |
| 17:27:38 | vogon_jeltz | I've gotta find some good docs on Xlib. |
| 17:28:22 | nuum | ok, let there be light! |
| 17:28:26 | nuum | thanks |
| 17:30:57 | crs23 | starts converting MsgGetWorld to transfer XML |
| 17:31:06 | vogon_jeltz | sweet. |
| 17:38:45 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 17:40:12 | vogon_jeltz | is there any preparation necessary before calling XMoveWindow()? |
| 17:42:01 | crs23 | no. you just need a valid display and window. |
| 17:42:43 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. it works now. |
| 17:43:01 | crs23 | is away: brb |
| 17:49:06 | Chestal | is tehre any reason for the TIMELIMIT ifdefs? |
| 17:49:31 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:50:02 | vogon_jeltz | sweet. window positioning works! |
| 17:51:14 | crs23 | is away: re |
| 17:51:21 | crs23 | is back (gone 00:00:07) |
| 17:51:25 | crs23 | Chestal: no |
| 17:51:35 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 17:52:06 | captain_proton | decides to put off finishing up the particles stuff until physics is working rigt |
| 17:53:52 | captain_proton | time for lunch |
| 17:54:01 | tad__ | me too |
| 17:54:07 | Chestal | already had dinner |
| 18:01:09 | vogon_jeltz | this is hilarious. |
| 18:01:22 | vogon_jeltz | the graphics themselves move properly, but the window doesn't. |
| 18:01:45 | crs23 | weird |
| 18:03:53 | vogon_jeltz | in addition, when I quit the program normally, I get... |
| 18:03:57 | vogon_jeltz | X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 18:06:15 | crs23 | perhaps you're not closing the display properly or your window is destroyed before you're done with it? |
| 18:07:02 | vogon_jeltz | it doesn't happen if I don't specify a -geometry option, I know that much. |
| 18:07:24 | vogon_jeltz | or maybe it does. |
| 18:07:28 | vogon_jeltz | *grumble* |
| 18:19:58 | blaboo | morning chestal |
| 18:21:26 | Chestal | good evening nuum |
| 18:25:35 | nuum | you are over in europe? |
| 18:27:04 | Chestal | I am in Germany, yes |
| 18:28:36 | nuum | ah. how is it over there? warm? |
| 18:29:07 | Chestal | cold and chilly the last few days |
| 18:29:18 | Chestal | it's raining |
| 18:29:19 | nuum | it is still snowing here! |
| 18:29:25 | nuum | well, was earlier this week |
| 18:29:32 | Chestal | uh, where are you? |
| 18:29:39 | nuum | canada |
| 18:29:54 | Chestal | ah, never been to Canada yet |
| 18:30:00 | nuum | i think the only other place that might recieve snow would be siberia! |
| 18:30:18 | nuum | i have some swiss friends and some german friends who just love canada |
| 18:30:48 | Chestal | I like snow, This winter was quite ok, a fair amount of snow and quite cold on some days, that is for German standards |
| 18:31:15 | nuum | how cold, like -10 C? |
| 18:31:39 | Chestal | I went for a stroll one evnign when it was about -18C |
| 18:32:15 | Chestal | it was perfect, noone around, only some moonlight and the snow was (missing the right word here) creaking on each step |
| 18:32:18 | nuum | yikes. we get -30 or worse here! |
| 18:32:47 | Chestal | most of the time the snow is half-melted here, very ugly |
| 18:33:11 | nuum | yeah i enjoy the moonlight glancing off crystal snowflakes on the trees |
| 18:33:25 | nuum | yeah, its just dirty now, all the cars make it black |
| 18:33:33 | Chestal | and it's so very quiet when there's snow, that's wonderful |
| 18:33:58 | Chestal | only that my steps made lots of noise on the frozen snow |
| 18:34:35 | Chestal | currently, it's about 5C here, but I guess it will get much warmer very soon, liek >20C |
| 18:34:38 | nuum | yeah, i like it because you own the entire place |
| 18:34:49 | nuum | no one outside but you! |
| 18:35:05 | nuum | wow, >20C. |
| 18:35:28 | Chestal | yep, although I didn't dare to walk too deep into the forest, I had unrational feelings about being followed :-) |
| 18:36:19 | Chestal | where in Canada do you live? |
| 18:36:20 | nuum | heh. by a person, or an animal? |
| 18:36:26 | nuum | in northern british columbia |
| 18:36:46 | Chestal | by a person, I iamgined hearign things, so I stopped from time to time to listen, but then the sound vanished of course |
| 18:37:14 | nuum | heh. you're paranoid! |
| 18:37:37 | nuum | i'm usually more afraid of bears and the such, but that's only in spring & summer |
| 18:37:55 | Chestal | no dagnerous animals in the forest here, except for wild boars perhaps |
| 18:38:23 | nuum | wild boars?!? |
| 18:39:08 | Chestal | yeas, those dark hairy pigs :-) |
| 18:39:30 | Chestal | where is british columbia? any big city close to you? |
| 18:40:45 | nuum | well i live in prince george, which is in central bc. we have ~80000 people |
| 18:40:55 | nuum | if thats "big"... ;) |
| 18:42:43 | captain_proton | is back |
| 18:48:02 | captain_proton | oh nuum - flag indicator works |
| 18:51:47 | scanline | is back (gone 01:02:16) |
| 18:54:55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:55:06 | captain_proton | was going to work on something bz-related but doesn't remember what it was |
| 18:55:16 | nuum | captain_proton: flag indicator? send it to me |
| 18:56:09 | captain_proton | lemme make a patch |
| 18:56:58 | fontenot | how does indicator work? what's the purpose? sounds interesting |
| 18:58:08 | captain_proton | fontenot: basically its purpose is to look pretty |
| 18:58:22 | captain_proton | fontenot: it will be a small box showing a graphical represenation of your current flag |
| 18:58:38 | fontenot | cool, for 1.8 ? |
| 18:58:42 | captain_proton | yep |
| 18:58:50 | fontenot | neat |
| 18:59:03 | nuum | gzip: stdin: decompression OK, trailing garbage ignored |
| 18:59:03 | nuum | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 18:59:03 | nuum | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 18:59:11 | captain_proton | nuum: thats ok - ignore it |
| 18:59:28 | captain_proton | nuum: that happens with different versions of gzip |
| 19:00:23 | nuum | flag_cl.bzg (1,2): unexpected data outside field |
| 19:01:12 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:01:14 | captain_proton | i'm getting that too |
| 19:01:19 | captain_proton | lemme check somtthing |
| 19:01:35 | captain_proton | add a < at the very beginning |
| 19:02:12 | nuum | very beginning of? |
| 19:04:02 | captain_proton | flag_cl.bzg |
| 19:04:12 | captain_proton | also do `set displayFlagIndicator 1 |
| 19:04:17 | nuum | do i need.... |
| 19:04:18 | nuum | yeah thats it |
| 19:05:50 | nuum | hmmm now i can't pick up flags |
| 19:06:05 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 19:06:36 | nuum | where is this indicator? |
| 19:06:38 | nuum | i don't see it |
| 19:06:43 | captain_proton | should be upper right corner |
| 19:06:49 | captain_proton | only works with certain flags |
| 19:06:58 | nuum | i've got most of them |
| 19:07:12 | captain_proton | sure you've got the variable right? |
| 19:07:31 | nuum | set displayFlagIndicator 1 |
| 19:07:51 | captain_proton | do a 'set' and check the variable |
| 19:08:19 | nuum | yes, its there |
| 19:09:02 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:09:10 | captain_proton | you patched view.bzg? |
| 19:09:19 | nuum | oh wait, 00 just popped up |
| 19:09:23 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 19:09:30 | captain_proton | yeah, you only sent me graphics for about 7 flags |
| 19:09:55 | nuum | yeah, i gave you sw, ib, etc, i have shock wave now, but it doesn't show |
| 19:10:06 | captain_proton | hmm really? |
| 19:10:19 | nuum | uperbullet works |
| 19:10:47 | nuum | gm works |
| 19:12:50 | nuum | ok, some of it works, but those graphics are too huge |
| 19:12:54 | captain_proton | nuum: in view.bzc, change "Shockwave" to "Shock Wave" |
| 19:13:11 | captain_proton | nuum: well, we'd have some m4d tr4n5p43ncy going on |
| 19:13:31 | captain_proton | i also ought to make it use a % of the screen |
| 19:13:34 | nuum | heh, i just wanted to see what it would look like |
| 19:13:35 | captain_proton | instead of 128 pixels always |
| 19:13:42 | nuum | yeah, put a border around it maybe |
| 19:13:54 | nuum | but now that proof of concept is done, i'll make some proper flag logos |
| 19:14:12 | nuum | i'm missing laser, fast tank, some other stuff |
| 19:17:09 | nuum | seems to work |
| 19:17:12 | nuum | need rapid fire.. etc |
| 19:17:15 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 19:17:18 | captain_proton | all the flags should have it |
| 19:17:28 | nuum | yeah, ID, bad flags, etc |
| 19:17:35 | nuum | gotta come up with some logos |
| 19:17:44 | captain_proton | 3d preferably =) |
| 19:18:00 | captain_proton | i wonder how much code rcam wrote to do it so far |
| 19:18:13 | nuum | also should put in some stuff for the different team flags |
| 19:18:42 | captain_proton | maybe just make it a model of that color tank ;) |
| 19:19:11 | nuum | could do that, just have it like the spinning tank on startup |
| 19:19:20 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:19:22 | captain_proton | there's a thought |
| 19:19:25 | nuum | how do i get transparency? |
| 19:19:31 | nuum | set the alpha to 0.5? |
| 19:19:34 | nuum | doesn't seem to work! |
| 19:19:39 | captain_proton | for what ? |
| 19:19:44 | nuum | the flag indicators |
| 19:19:48 | crs23 | you also have to set blending in the gstate |
| 19:19:57 | captain_proton | crs23: it is |
| 19:20:06 | captain_proton | nuum: i was thinking of just using the alpha channel in png |
| 19:20:16 | nuum | theres an idea |
| 19:20:28 | captain_proton | i just thought of something |
| 19:20:38 | captain_proton | if we decide to do weapon models to put on the tanks |
| 19:20:46 | captain_proton | we could just add a viewport that contained the model spinning ;) |
| 19:20:49 | captain_proton | for now lets do images |
| 19:21:07 | nuum | sounds good |
| 19:21:51 | nuum | any way i could use this model stuff to add a spinning cube or something to say the startup menu for bzflag? |
| 19:21:53 | captain_proton | crs23: any interest in seeing this ? |
| 19:22:00 | captain_proton | nuum: easy |
| 19:22:09 | nuum | really? how how! |
| 19:22:18 | captain_proton | nuum: you just create a cube model, then hack the menu def a little |
| 19:22:40 | nuum | a cube model? i want it so spin animate |
| 19:23:01 | nuum | kinda like the little tank |
| 19:23:37 | nuum | where does that little tank dood come in? |
| 19:23:51 | captain_proton | nuum: menuptr.bzg |
| 19:24:05 | captain_proton | just make a new model, and change "tank2.bzg" to the filename of your model |
| 19:24:11 | captain_proton | you could even texture it ;) |
| 19:24:50 | nuum | ok |
| 19:24:55 | nuum | texturing is the idea! |
| 19:25:26 | nuum | werd, <animate type ="cycle"> |
| 19:25:36 | nuum | you guys are doing a knock-up job here with this xml bs |
| 19:25:54 | captain_proton | nuum: you will learn to love it even more :) |
| 19:26:22 | captain_proton | oh crs23 - i wanted to ask you how the choice stuff works in the model files |
| 19:26:33 | nuum | choice stuff? |
| 19:27:12 | captain_proton | there's an xml node called <choice> that supposedly does variable stuff |
| 19:27:18 | captain_proton | but i can't figger it out |
| 19:27:36 | crs23 | the render visitors traverse children based on the "mask" value |
| 19:27:52 | captain_proton | so say i have a variable |
| 19:27:55 | crs23 | if bit 1 is set then the first child is visited, if bit 2 the second child, etc. |
| 19:28:03 | captain_proton | "outputFlag" for instance |
| 19:28:08 | crs23 | if both are set they're both visited |
| 19:28:11 | captain_proton | how would i do a choice based on the contents of that variable? |
| 19:28:44 | nuum | anyway, i gotta study, later all |
| 19:28:47 | crs23 | hrm, that's not so easy because choice only handles 32 bits |
| 19:29:16 | captain_proton | i guess my current method of 50 zillion model files and a big <if> switch is best |
| 19:32:28 | Chestal | I got soem strange efefcts with CLIENTQUERY |
| 19:32:34 | Chestal | ducati ctf, 8 people |
| 19:32:47 | Chestal | several of the red team sent no reply to my CLIENTQUERY requests |
| 19:32:54 | captain_proton | =| |
| 19:32:56 | Chestal | and one (riseman) did so only sometimes |
| 19:33:08 | Chestal | nand then it indicated e4 |
| 19:33:29 | Chestal | I was pretty sure that the lost TCP messages issue was resolved |
| 19:34:16 | Chestal | CLIENTQUERY was itnroduced with e2? |
| 19:39:35 | captain_proton | grr |
| 19:39:42 | captain_proton | i'm getting irritated at teammatese recently |
| 19:39:45 | captain_proton | they're all so dumb |
| 19:39:51 | Chestal | yes,most of them suck |
| 19:40:06 | Chestal | thus it will be a good thing if we get more league matches |
| 19:40:33 | Chestal | although we probably won't have that many cuase you'l lhave to arrange with your teammates |
| 19:40:42 | Chestal | still no sign of Valoche? |
| 19:40:55 | captain_proton | nope |
| 19:42:03 | Chestal | this CLIENTQUERY bug makes me kind of nervous |
| 19:42:14 | Chestal | although I haven't seen any other signs of lost TCP messages, hmm |
| 19:42:27 | Chestal | but still I wonder what's happening |
| 19:43:15 | Chestal | where's Cream? I need to tell him that he must rework the ban patch to use Alist :-) |
| 19:43:37 | Chestal | I'd also liek to modify the radar for e6 |
| 19:43:54 | Chestal | would like to have a best-of of current and E3 radar |
| 19:44:09 | captain_proton | i kinda like the current radar now |
| 19:44:50 | Chestal | my bigest gripe with it is that tanks+flags scale without having a minimum size |
| 19:44:58 | Chestal | and flags are way too big because of this |
| 19:45:07 | Chestal | at zoom 3 I can hardly see tanks on the radar |
| 19:45:20 | Chestal | at at level 1 flags are huuuuge |
| 19:45:34 | Chestal | at least me and lupi are still using e3 radar |
| 19:45:45 | Chestal | also, colour/line for shots should be optional |
| 19:45:53 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 19:46:10 | Chestal | but I'm too lazy to build these options into 1.7, I haven't really figured out how it works |
| 19:46:33 | Chestal | guess I coudl start by lookign at enhanced radar option |
| 19:47:26 | Chestal | I didn't do server side throttling patch yet, neither my netstats |
| 19:47:47 | Chestal | don't know if these are really that useful once people start to use e6 with client side throttling |
| 19:49:02 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:49:29 | captain_proton | e6 has client side throttling? |
| 19:50:49 | captain_proton | hey BZFlag |
| 19:50:56 | BZFlag | hey. |
| 19:51:16 | BZFlag | Chestal: you around? what did you think of my mangled random ctf patch? |
| 19:51:19 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:51:31 | BZFlag | looks like teleporters in 2 team mode are not quite right. |
| 19:51:32 | captain_proton | BZFlag: any qualms about adding nuum's shot indicator to 1.8 cvs? |
| 19:51:51 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I have not looked at it yet. you are happy with it? |
| 19:51:55 | Chestal | bzflag: haven't tried it yet, but judging from taking a glance at the source it looks good |
| 19:52:12 | captain_proton | BZFlag: its got some bad float stuff but other than that its nice |
| 19:52:21 | captain_proton | if you agree i'll clean it up first ;) |
| 19:52:46 | BZFlag | well, get nuum to fix the float stuff. and then nuum can get cvs write access. ;-) |
| 19:53:09 | captain_proton | BZFlag: nuum said he'd fix it but he's forgotten |
| 19:53:17 | BZFlag | I appreciate folks like yourself helping others to get up to speed! |
| 19:54:20 | Chestal | BZFlag: there are only 3 of my patches not on SF yet, and I don't know if these are so useful after all |
| 19:55:05 | BZFlag | Chestal: I looked over the lagstats/ping patch. you can apply that one if you like. |
| 19:55:14 | Chestal | BZFlag: ok, fine |
| 19:55:22 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:55:27 | captain_proton | it changes the targetting box |
| 19:55:28 | Chestal | BZFLag: one other thing, I have repeatedly seen CLIENTQUERY oddities |
| 19:55:40 | BZFlag | I meant too last night but hacking on the random ctf patch too longer than I thought. ;-) |
| 19:55:47 | Chestal | BZFLag: jsut a few minutes ago in ducati, 8 people on. I type CLIENTQUERY and only get a response from 4 people |
| 19:56:09 | Chestal | so eihter somehow messages to/from the other 4 peopel were lost or they are using ancient clients |
| 19:56:21 | Chestal | but one of those answered the 4th time I tried it |
| 19:57:10 | BZFlag | wild. you think we still have some tcp/udp buffer conflicts or something causing tcp msgs packets to get lost? |
| 19:57:23 | Chestal | I have no idea |
| 19:57:31 | BZFlag | I noticed some "oversize packet" msgs the other day running a test server. |
| 19:57:34 | Chestal | I didn't experience any other thigns which would hint to lost TCP messages |
| 19:57:41 | BZFlag | I did not try to track those down yet. |
| 19:58:08 | Chestal | hmm, my curent client is sending oversizes PlayerUpdate messages, but I wasn't on your test server |
| 19:59:29 | Chestal | hmm, how do I apply a patch? never did that |
| 19:59:50 | Chestal | just patch < patchfile in the correct directory? |
| 19:59:54 | captain_proton | removes the target box changes from nuum's patch |
| 20:00:55 | Chestal | hmm, it doesn't work |
| 20:01:21 | captain_proton | patch -p0 < patchfile |
| 20:01:23 | captain_proton | or -p1 |
| 20:01:27 | captain_proton | depending on if it works or not |
| 20:01:44 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:01:48 | Chestal | do I have to use -u? |
| 20:01:56 | Chestal | the patchfiel was generated by cvs diff -u |
| 20:02:15 | captain_proton | no - just -px |
| 20:02:18 | captain_proton | where x is 0 or 1 |
| 20:02:29 | captain_proton | i think -p1 is more common |
| 20:02:51 | Chestal | the default is to strip all path information? that's just silly |
| 20:03:04 | Chestal | -p0 worked fine from within bzflag main directory |
| 20:08:39 | BZFlag | p0 does not strip. p1 would strip one level. |
| 20:09:37 | Chestal | yep, I was just surpsied tha tnot supplying -px means to strip everything |
| 20:12:13 | Chestal | hmm, why can't I see include/Protocol.h with the sf CVS browser for 1_7? |
| 20:13:56 | BZFlag | hmmm. /me goes to look. |
| 20:15:32 | captain_proton | BZFlag: care to talke a look at this thingy? |
| 20:15:34 | BZFlag | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bzflag/bzflag/include/Attic/Protocol.h?only_with_tag=v1_7&hideattic=0 |
| 20:15:52 | BZFlag | does not know if he wants to look at a thingy |
| 20:16:23 | Chestal | ah, it's there. Just sorting by age does not seem to work right |
| 20:16:28 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/blabby2.diff |
| 20:17:37 | Chestal | ok, back to some paid work |
| 20:18:03 | Chestal | I wonder why xtraceroute does not work on any of the 12345 computers I tried it on |
| 20:19:13 | Chestal | did you see? bzflag is once again in the sf top activity list ;-) |
| 20:19:15 | BZFlag | ViewItemPWR.h is not included. |
| 20:19:20 | captain_proton | erk |
| 20:20:26 | BZFlag | Chestal: cause you are on one of the 67890 black holed computers. |
| 20:21:30 | Chestal | bzflag: it just exits whenI try to turn the globe and it spews out strange error message when startign about not being able to connect to my x server |
| 20:22:05 | Chestal | I wanted to use it as an exercise for my students |
| 20:35:48 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:35:51 | T-34 | good evening |
| 20:35:58 | captain_proton | well, i just completely screwed up my copy of nuum's source |
| 20:35:59 | captain_proton | so... |
| 20:36:54 | Chestal | I screwed up my e4/e5 source |
| 20:39:02 | BZFlag | good thing we have cvs and a patch repository. ;-) |
| 20:39:14 | captain_proton | haha |
| 20:40:24 | captain_proton | you're so clever BZFlag |
| 20:41:39 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:41:43 | captain_proton | i need to open 5 more services |
| 20:45:59 | | '[-SwiftyMC-]' is 15% lame, captain_proton |
| 20:45:59 | captain_proton | ibot, nickometer [-SwiftyMC-] |
| 20:49:54 | Phactorial | Damn, people are such idiots today... |
| 20:50:17 | Phactorial | This damned company, keeps on stating Windows solutions are the only way to go for performanc and money... |
| 20:50:27 | Phactorial | Just OMG, paper after paper I submit, they laugh me out |
| 20:50:30 | Phactorial | Little bastards |
| 20:50:33 | Phactorial | They shall pay ;] |
| 20:51:02 | vogon_jeltz | heh. |
| 20:51:13 | Phactorial | It's seriously annoying |
| 20:51:42 | Phactorial | You set there, give them both technical and commercial reasons to integrate UNIX solutions, but they simple state that Windows is the "future"... |
| 20:51:48 | vogon_jeltz | scratches his head and tries to figure out htf to get GNOME to treat his scroll wheel as such. |
| 20:51:56 | Phactorial | It's much more superior than these UNIX solutions that has NO application support |
| 20:52:00 | Phactorial | ARGH... |
| 20:52:22 | Phactorial | captain_proton: wake your ass up you lazy hooker... |
| 20:54:31 | Phactorial | Fuck it... |
| 20:54:38 | Phactorial | vogon_jeltz: Can I ask you for a favor? |
| 20:54:51 | vogon_jeltz | Phactorial: sure. |
| 20:55:10 | Phactorial | vogon_jeltz: When captain_proton comes back to life, tell him that Mr.Phactorial tells him to meet him at irc.pulltheplug.com |
| 20:55:42 | vogon_jeltz | OK. got it. |
| 21:06:31 | scanline | is back (gone 01:17:29) |
| 21:27:06 | BZFlag | crs23: what was wrong with the old flags on buildings code? |
| 21:27:49 | crs23 | mostly client bugs. the flags wouldn't rest on buildings, they'd rest *in* buildings. |
| 21:34:08 | BZFlag | ah. I thought we had most of that ironed out. I think pyramid calculations were still to small flags could land inside the edge of a pyramid. |
| 21:34:31 | crs23 | well, i didn't try to merge 1.7 changes |
| 21:34:44 | BZFlag | there are quite a few 1.7 servers using the fob code now. |
| 21:35:03 | BZFlag | could be that the 1.7 code had been fixed and not merged into 1.8 |
| 21:35:28 | crs23 | have many 1.7 patches been merged? i don't think so. |
| 21:37:02 | BZFlag | crs23: no. I merged some of the early ones and I'm planning another 1.7 release and then I'll get back to merging the useful bits into 1.8 |
| 21:38:43 | crs23 | k. it's just as well you haven't merged recently because it means no conflicts when committing. :) |
| 21:40:25 | BZFlag | heh. yeah, that is my goal, to make your life easier. ;-) well. I'll get back to being a pain again as soon as I can if it will make you feel better. ;-) |
| 21:43:02 | BZFlag | to work |
| 21:43:05 | almogaver | hi |
| 21:45:21 | tad__ | rats |
| 21:45:24 | tad__ | oh well |
| 21:45:34 | Chestal | rats? where's Gerbil? |
| 21:45:38 | tad__ | lol |
| 21:45:50 | tad__ | is there any code inthere about teammate killing? |
| 21:46:29 | tad__ | like 10 teammate killings in a 5 min period gets them booted? |
| 21:46:37 | Chestal | yes, the grunting sound :-) |
| 21:46:43 | tad__ | :P |
| 21:46:53 | tad__ | really?? |
| 21:47:04 | tad__ | it would be nice... |
| 21:47:45 | Chestal | nothing there currentyl that would protect against purposeful team killers |
| 21:47:57 | tad__ | hmm |
| 21:48:01 | tad__ | and why not? |
| 21:48:03 | tad__ | ;) |
| 21:48:16 | tad__ | or better yet |
| 21:48:27 | tad__ | have the person move to rogue :) |
| 21:48:46 | Chestal | well, I thought that too. I guess you could have some heuristic that reies to differentiate between random team kills and ones that are on purpose |
| 21:48:47 | tad__ | or have the server move make them rogue :) |
| 21:48:59 | tad__ | yea |
| 21:49:04 | tad__ | like 3 in a row? |
| 21:49:07 | Chestal | it's somewhat related to cheating |
| 21:49:11 | tad__ | have a warning |
| 21:49:18 | tad__ | 5 in a row |
| 21:49:21 | tad__ | move to rogue |
| 21:49:47 | Chestal | of course, this is also addressd by the karma system |
| 21:49:48 | tad__ | and banned from reds and blues and purp. and greens |
| 21:49:53 | tad__ | oh |
| 21:49:55 | tad__ | yea |
| 21:50:05 | Chestal | nobody likes team killers |
| 21:50:07 | tad__ | that too |
| 21:50:12 | tad__ | yea |
| 21:50:23 | tad__ | if you want to be a teammate killer be rouge |
| 21:50:37 | tad__ | anyway, how do I be an observer? |
| 21:50:47 | tad__ | on ducati? |
| 21:50:55 | tad__ | it never works for me |
| 21:50:55 | Chestal | use @ as first letter of callsign |
| 21:51:19 | Chestal | you won't be able to interfere withthe game then |
| 21:51:50 | almogaver | are u sure you can't interfere with the game? |
| 21:51:56 | almogaver | you can destroy some shots |
| 21:51:57 | Chestal | yes |
| 21:51:59 | Chestal | no |
| 21:52:04 | almogaver | if you are killed by one |
| 21:52:04 | tad__ | ok |
| 21:52:10 | tad__ | i works |
| 21:52:17 | Chestal | almo: it only looks like it from your point of view |
| 21:52:32 | Chestal | almo: regular players will not see you dying and the shots will just continue to fly |
| 21:52:33 | almogaver | ah! ok Chestal |
| 21:52:39 | almogaver | better this way |
| 21:52:40 | tad__ | hmm |
| 21:52:46 | tad__ | I just blew up |
| 21:52:51 | Chestal | yes, that's ok |
| 21:52:57 | Chestal | becuase this patch is server-side only for now |
| 21:52:57 | tad__ | where is the view from above? |
| 21:53:14 | tad__ | I saw a screenshot of above |
| 21:53:15 | Chestal | view from above is not a regular feature |
| 21:53:18 | tad__ | oh |
| 21:53:20 | tad__ | :( |
| 21:53:24 | Chestal | it's inthe source but has to be activated, it has some problems |
| 21:53:29 | tad__ | oh |
| 21:53:37 | tad__ | will it be in 1.5/6? |
| 21:53:48 | Chestal | don't think it will be in 1.7e6 |
| 21:53:55 | Chestal | but probably in1.8 |
| 21:53:59 | tad__ | ok |
| 21:54:01 | tad__ | thats good |
| 21:54:31 | almogaver | Chestal: i need some help with code hacking |
| 21:54:46 | almogaver | i'm trying to see the connection handshake |
| 21:54:52 | almogaver | there are a TCP connection |
| 21:55:03 | almogaver | then, another connection :?? |
| 21:55:07 | tad__ | how do I compile on windows with no VC++? |
| 21:55:24 | Chestal | almogaver: depends on the version |
| 21:55:26 | almogaver | when you send your callsign and team? |
| 21:55:31 | tad__ | with a free compiler |
| 21:55:45 | almogaver | Chestal: with the 1.7e5 from CVS this monday |
| 21:55:56 | Chestal | tad: using cygwin should work with only a few changes to makefiles etc., feel fee to try and submit :-) |
| 21:56:09 | vogon_jeltz | almogaver: currently, the client connects to port 5155, then the server sends it a message telling it which port to reconnect to. the client reconnects, and the game proceeds as normal. |
| 21:56:16 | Chestal | almogaver: ok, 1.7 is using a reconnect for historical reasons |
| 21:56:21 | vogon_jeltz | almogaver: at least, that's how I understand it. |
| 21:56:26 | Chestal | almogaver: e5 server has two ports specified by -p and -pr |
| 21:56:43 | Chestal | almogaver: client connects on -p port, server tells client port for reconnect and client reconnects to -pr port |
| 21:56:44 | almogaver | but i'm lost with the classes... |
| 21:56:59 | Chestal | and then there is UDP |
| 21:57:00 | almogaver | that connection and reconnections is do in the ServerLink constructor |
| 21:57:13 | almogaver | but, where is the UDP connection? |
| 21:57:50 | Chestal | no such thign as a UDP connection :-) |
| 21:57:59 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe. |
| 21:58:05 | almogaver | i know :) |
| 21:58:13 | almogaver | you can use connect for an UDP socket anyway |
| 21:58:28 | almogaver | and after that, you don't need to use sendto with the udp socket |
| 21:58:28 | Chestal | it's a bit confusing as bzflag used to use UDP multicasting or TCP relaying, that's probably handled inpalyerlink |
| 21:58:31 | almogaver | you can use simply send |
| 21:58:49 | Chestal | then UDP unicast relaying was added, it's probably also in playerlink, I don't know |
| 21:59:21 | rcam | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:59:29 | Chestal | almogaver: no need to dig too deep into this, it's gooign to change with 1.8 anyway |
| 22:00:02 | tad__ | sigh |
| 22:00:06 | tad__ | I need a compiler |
| 22:00:23 | Chestal | have you tried to get cygwin? |
| 22:00:29 | tad__ | I tryed that |
| 22:00:33 | tad__ | no luck |
| 22:00:40 | almogaver | Chestal: there are a lot of work to do before 1.8 |
| 22:01:12 | Chestal | almo: yes, there is. Feel free to join in |
| 22:01:17 | almogaver | i've seen this: |
| 22:01:17 | tad__ | lol |
| 22:01:31 | almogaver | first, call the ServerLink constructor to do this two connections |
| 22:01:33 | tad__ | what do I run to compile? |
| 22:01:51 | almogaver | then, call the makeWorld from world.h to get the world |
| 22:01:55 | Chestal | tad: make |
| 22:02:01 | tad__ | I tried that |
| 22:02:06 | almogaver | some OpenGL code to show it |
| 22:02:15 | almogaver | and then? i'm lost here |
| 22:02:20 | tad__ | compile 1.8 |
| 22:02:20 | Chestal | tad: as I said, it migh tneed some changes to work with cygwin |
| 22:02:31 | tad__ | ok.... like what files? |
| 22:02:59 | Chestal | the win stuff is currently done for VC++ |
| 22:03:06 | tad__ | yea :( |
| 22:03:11 | tad__ | micro$oft |
| 22:03:22 | Chestal | for making it work with cygwin you would have to integrate that into the makefiel scheme I guess, I don't know |
| 22:03:28 | almogaver | nobody has tried to compile it with djgpp or mingw? |
| 22:03:42 | almogaver | the windows code |
| 22:03:43 | tad__ | gdfdd mign? |
| 22:03:50 | tad__ | hwtas that? |
| 22:03:58 | tad__ | compilers? |
| 22:04:00 | Chestal | almo: well, some might have tried, but AFAIK noone has put some real effort into it |
| 22:04:03 | almogaver | tad__: there are two open source compilers |
| 22:04:09 | tad__ | really? |
| 22:04:12 | tad__ | for windows? |
| 22:04:21 | almogaver | tad__: djgpp (www.delorie.com) is almost fully compatible with gcc |
| 22:04:48 | Chestal | grr, I wanted to play a little game before going home and my server is full |
| 22:05:00 | tad__ | LOL! |
| 22:05:00 | Chestal | guess I have to kick someone off ;-) |
| 22:05:05 | tad__ | ouch |
| 22:05:17 | tad__ | not really fiar |
| 22:05:19 | tad__ | ... |
| 22:05:21 | tad__ | fair |
| 22:05:49 | lupinator | yous till have another server |
| 22:06:03 | almogaver | Chestal: what after the makeWorld? when do you send ur callsign and ur team? |
| 22:06:07 | almogaver | Chestal: i was unable to find it |
| 22:07:41 | tad__ | ok downloading |
| 22:07:43 | tad__ | it... |
| 22:07:52 | tad__ | er |
| 22:07:55 | tad__ | all the files |
| 22:08:21 | tad__ | know what files are needed? |
| 22:14:52 | tad__ | lol |
| 22:15:13 | almogaver | Dobra ve(ae)er arathorn |
| 22:16:30 | arathorn | Hvala :))))) |
| 22:16:34 | arathorn | LOL |
| 22:24:10 | scanline | is away: math test |
| 22:25:27 | tad__ | chestal? |
| 22:25:32 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 20 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: guess I have to kick someone off ;-) [Wed Apr 17 23:05:00 2002] |
| 22:25:32 | tad__ | ibot seen chestal |
| 22:25:52 | tad__ | hey almogaver! |
| 22:25:59 | tad__ | you know DJGPP? |
| 22:26:16 | tad__ | I get: |
| 22:26:16 | tad__ | D:\cygwin\home\Administrator\bzflag |
| 22:26:35 | tad__ | oops |
| 22:26:36 | tad__ | "win32 makefiles not available yet. use the msdev" |
| 22:26:36 | tad__ | "workspace and project files in the win32 directory." |
| 22:26:36 | tad__ | "see README.WIN32 for build instructions." |
| 22:26:43 | tad__ | :( |
| 22:30:18 | almogaver | cygwin is not the same than djgpp, i think... |
| 22:30:32 | tad__ | oh |
| 22:30:39 | almogaver | you have "make" with djgpp |
| 22:30:40 | tad__ | you compiled it in cygwin? |
| 22:30:50 | almogaver | i don't compiled it in windows |
| 22:30:53 | tad__ | oh |
| 22:30:56 | tad__ | oh well |
| 22:31:00 | almogaver | i don't tried too |
| 22:31:03 | tad__ | I guess it off to linux then |
| 22:31:07 | tad__ | :) |
| 22:31:12 | almogaver | i've djgpp and mingw |
| 22:31:18 | tad__ | yea |
| 22:31:23 | almogaver | i prefer djgpp... but other people likes mingw |
| 22:31:23 | tad__ | and it worked? |
| 22:31:35 | tad__ | I am useing DJGPP |
| 22:31:36 | almogaver | it works... sometimes |
| 22:31:45 | almogaver | it's not easy to set up djgpp |
| 22:31:48 | tad__ | for bzflag |
| 22:31:51 | tad__ | ?? |
| 22:31:59 | almogaver | and it works? |
| 22:32:23 | tad__ | does compileing bzflag on DJGPP work at all? |
| 22:32:57 | almogaver | i don't know tad__, i don't tried it |
| 22:33:00 | tad__ | ok |
| 22:33:14 | tad__ | I guess I have to use linux.... |
| 22:33:21 | BZFlag | tad__: should be possible, but nobody I know has done it. |
| 22:33:29 | tad__ | ok |
| 22:33:33 | BZFlag | you will have to edit the makefiles etc. |
| 22:33:41 | tad__ | how? |
| 22:33:47 | captain_proton | doobeedooo |
| 22:34:08 | | No luck, tad__ |
| 22:34:08 | tad__ | ibot insult captian_proton |
| 22:34:31 | | No luck, tad__ |
| 22:34:31 | tad__ | ibot insult captain_proton |
| 22:34:42 | tad__ | I see they have disabled it... |
| 22:34:44 | captain_proton | haha |
| 22:34:53 | | No luck, captain_proton |
| 22:34:53 | captain_proton | ibot, insult tad__ |
| 22:34:56 | captain_proton | grr |
| 22:35:04 | tad__ | HA! |
| 22:35:51 | tad__ | oh well |
| 22:41:43 | | No luck, Chestal |
| 22:41:43 | Chestal | ibot, insult ibot |
| 22:41:46 | tad__ | lol |
| 22:41:49 | | Chestal: The mouse escaped. |
| 22:41:49 | Chestal | ibot: excuse |
| 22:41:50 | tad__ | they broke it |
| 22:41:57 | | In Newark the laundromats are open 24 hours a day! |
| 22:41:57 | tad__ | ibot YOW! |
| 22:42:04 | | In Newark the laundromats are open 24 hours a day! |
| 22:42:04 | tad__ | ibot YOW |
| 22:42:10 | | Am I elected yet? |
| 22:42:10 | tad__ | ibot yow |
| 22:42:15 | | Civilization is fun! Anyway, it keeps me busy!! |
| 22:42:15 | tad__ | ibot yow |
| 22:42:26 | | ONE: I will donate my entire "BABY HUEY" comic book collection to the downtown PLASMA CENTER ... TWO: I won't START a BAND called "KHADAFY & THE HIT SQUAD" ... THREE: I won't ever TUMBLE DRY my FOX TERRIER again!! |
| 22:42:26 | tad__ | ibot yow |
| 22:42:41 | tad__ | lol |
| 22:42:46 | tad__ | anyway.... |
| 22:43:08 | captain_proton | wants rcam to show up |
| 22:43:08 | tad__ | uh oh hes here |
| 22:43:17 | tad__ | dont play with ibot now |
| 22:43:20 | tad__ | :) |
| 22:57:34 | almogaver | hi |
| 22:57:46 | tad__ | hi |
| 23:06:18 | almogaver | BZFlag: i've a question, maybe you can help me |
| 23:11:53 | BZFlag | maybe |
| 23:12:12 | almogaver | when you connect |
| 23:12:21 | almogaver | in the constructor of ServerLink class |
| 23:12:36 | almogaver | you don't send the callsign, do u? |
| 23:12:52 | BZFlag | no. that's done later. |
| 23:13:03 | BZFlag | the constructor just opens the pipe(s) |
| 23:15:00 | almogaver | where is that do? |
| 23:15:05 | almogaver | i was unable to find it |
| 23:15:13 | almogaver | after open the pipe |
| 23:15:17 | almogaver | you call makeWorld |
| 23:15:32 | almogaver | and then, you call the game's callbacks |
| 23:18:22 | BZFlag | see enterServer in src/bzflag/playing.cxx |
| 23:19:18 | almogaver | ok thx |
| 23:19:25 | almogaver | it should be in another file... |
| 23:19:33 | almogaver | playing.cxx is too large |
| 23:19:49 | almogaver | it becomes hard to read and understand |
| 23:20:28 | almogaver | and if the functions are not declared in a separated .h, it's becomes harder |
| 23:23:19 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 23:24:25 | almogaver | but in general is not so hard to read |
| 23:24:47 | almogaver | i've readed a lot of worst ;) |
| 23:31:31 | almogaver | oh! another thing |
| 23:31:43 | almogaver | i've played this evening with 1.7e5 from CVS this monday |
| 23:31:51 | almogaver | alone, against 10 robots |
| 23:32:07 | almogaver | after 5 minutes or less, bzflag eated all my memory |
| 23:32:21 | almogaver | and it started to swap |
| 23:32:26 | almogaver | i have 256 mb |
| 23:34:15 | tad__ | LOL! |
| 23:34:19 | tad__ | ouch.... |
| 23:34:44 | tad__ | 10 bots are a litlle demanding for such stupid things |