| 00:01:10 | EddieNull | mark |
| 00:09:55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:10:02 | captain_proton | is impressed with the meal he just had |
| 00:10:12 | nuum | captain proton, i demand to know how much 1 euro is worth in your american dollars |
| 00:10:24 | captain_proton | nuum: look it up online |
| 00:10:33 | nuum | search the web, do whatever you have to! just get it done! |
| 00:10:34 | captain_proton | i think its like $1.40 in american money |
| 00:10:55 | captain_proton | nuum: i am not your biatch |
| 00:11:09 | nuum | captain proton, in this navy, i outrank you |
| 00:11:16 | nuum | i will not put up with your insubordination |
| 00:11:25 | captain_proton | what navy? |
| 00:11:46 | captain_proton | "nuum's navy" - that should be a TV show |
| 00:12:20 | nuum | bzflag imperial navy, grand admiral nuuminance presiding |
| 00:12:23 | nuum | you may be seated |
| 00:12:46 | captain_proton | hahahaha |
| 00:13:10 | nuum | bwahahaha |
| 00:14:49 | nuum | stupid graphs, i never learned how to read |
| 00:14:56 | nuum | is the euro worth more or less than the us$ |
| 00:15:24 | nuum | we have 0.889798 to 1 |
| 00:15:42 | nuum | why can't ibot tell me? |
| 00:15:51 | | bugger all, i dunno, nuum |
| 00:15:51 | nuum | ibot, would you rather get 1000 euros, or 1000 greenbacks? |
| 00:16:00 | captain_proton | i think its worth more |
| 00:16:06 | nuum | it = euro? |
| 00:16:12 | captain_proton | yes |
| 00:16:49 | nuum | now proton, did you hear of that american f16 bombing the canadian troops? they killed 4 canadian soldiers! |
| 00:17:03 | almogaver | i heared it nuum |
| 00:17:11 | almogaver | they was "training! |
| 00:17:25 | almogaver | what kind of train |
| 00:17:30 | nuum | as your superior officer, i would like for you to take an armada of your finest ships and destroy the american pacific fleet |
| 00:17:45 | almogaver | what kind of training |
| 00:17:56 | nuum | if you accomplish this task, i will appoint you sergeant proton! |
| 00:18:03 | nuum | it'll be quite a promotion, don't screw it up! |
| 00:18:27 | nuum | well they were training with live fire, and i guess the americans felt threatened in their jets |
| 00:18:32 | captain_proton | segeant is under captain in every chain of command i've ever known |
| 00:18:47 | nuum | so they targetted the troops with a laser guided bomb |
| 00:18:57 | nuum | then when their commanding officer instructed them not to fire, they did |
| 00:19:17 | nuum | captain_proton: don't argue or i'll bust you down to segeant! |
| 00:19:22 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 00:19:49 | nuum | yeah, first canadian troops to be killed since KOREA |
| 00:20:00 | nuum | my my my |
| 00:20:15 | nuum | i hate being a slave to the american empire |
| 00:20:47 | captain_proton | gets tired of listening to nuum's whining and goes to play some bz |
| 00:20:49 | nuum | how'd your recital go? |
| 00:20:54 | nuum | wanna play some 1.8? |
| 00:21:01 | captain_proton | was a pseudo-recital |
| 00:21:02 | captain_proton | but good |
| 00:21:03 | captain_proton | not really |
| 00:21:19 | captain_proton | i'd like to be at least a little challenged |
| 00:21:24 | nuum | ol brahms, he's a wiley ol guy |
| 00:21:43 | nuum | maybe you could transcribe some rachmaninoff onto cello? |
| 00:22:13 | nuum | anyway, i gotta eat then do analysis |
| 00:22:16 | nuum | laterz |
| 00:25:06 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 00:30:59 | MrApathyCream | offers captain_proton a tissue.... sounds like a cold coming on... |
| 00:40:42 | nuum | captain proton, report on the progress of destruction of the pacific fleet. have you taken guam yet? |
| 00:40:50 | captain_proton | naah |
| 00:41:05 | captain_proton | there's a crazy guy there i know who would kick my ass |
| 00:41:20 | nuum | hmmm. is it mr t.? |
| 00:41:30 | captain_proton | haha no |
| 00:41:43 | nuum | ah pity da foo who try to take guam |
| 00:41:51 | nuum | captain proton, you eat my cheetohs? |
| 00:42:08 | captain_proton | nuum: nope - i've got poptarts |
| 00:42:22 | nuum | do you eat your poptarts toaster? |
| 00:42:27 | nuum | toasted |
| 00:42:50 | captain_proton | no toaster here |
| 00:42:54 | captain_proton | so no |
| 00:43:01 | captain_proton | when i have access to one, yes |
| 00:43:06 | nuum | rig one up out of cello strings and gum |
| 00:43:29 | captain_proton | haha |
| 00:43:38 | nuum | i gotta hit 7-eleven |
| 00:43:52 | nuum | maybe i'll jones a jones cola |
| 00:44:35 | nuum | you got a sev in boulder? |
| 00:45:15 | captain_proton | i think so |
| 00:45:22 | captain_proton | may have gone out of business |
| 00:45:41 | nuum | how??!?? |
| 00:45:54 | captain_proton | boulder is weird |
| 00:45:55 | nuum | i'm sorry for asking all kinds of wierd questions proton, i hope it doesn't get on your nerves |
| 00:46:09 | nuum | but thats just out there. no sev? how are you gonna get a slurpee? |
| 00:46:20 | captain_proton | they've got a machine in the dining halls |
| 00:46:27 | nuum | what!?>!?! |
| 00:46:34 | nuum | omg i am so doing grad work down there |
| 00:46:35 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 00:46:47 | captain_proton | nuum: you really want to live in the dorms? |
| 00:46:48 | nuum | you pullin my leg? |
| 00:47:01 | captain_proton | not at all |
| 00:47:05 | nuum | i'm living at your house proton |
| 00:47:07 | captain_proton | sunday sundaes too |
| 00:47:12 | nuum | i'm playing your cello |
| 00:47:17 | nuum | i'm peeing in your pool |
| 00:47:17 | captain_proton | my house won't have a slurpee machine |
| 00:47:27 | nuum | i'm feeding your dog slurpee till the cows come home |
| 00:47:38 | nuum | well i suggest you install one |
| 00:47:44 | captain_proton | i don't have a house either |
| 00:47:51 | captain_proton | at least not one of my own |
| 00:48:09 | captain_proton | but - could you stand to live in this country? |
| 00:48:50 | nuum | live amongst the heathens? |
| 00:48:54 | nuum | ;) |
| 00:48:59 | nuum | yeah, i probably could |
| 00:49:00 | captain_proton | is a heathen |
| 00:49:10 | nuum | if the goddamn money wasn't so green |
| 00:49:19 | captain_proton | hell - if religion means the various groups around campus giving me free stuff, GOD ME UP! |
| 00:49:34 | nuum | i'll tell you what, let me redesign your moolah and i'll live there |
| 00:49:40 | captain_proton | haha |
| 00:49:41 | nuum | god me up! |
| 00:50:00 | nuum | scotty, one to god up! |
| 00:50:50 | nuum | sevvy, one to slurp up! |
| 00:50:51 | nuum | later |
| 00:50:59 | captain_proton | see ya |
| 01:00:07 | captain_proton | goes for coffee |
| 01:01:17 | almogaver | captain_proton: are there religious groups giving stuff in your campus? |
| 01:02:09 | almogaver | unbelievable |
| 01:12:51 | almogaver | bye |
| 01:43:57 | MrApathyCream | ---...--- |
| 02:04:57 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: need help? |
| 02:05:10 | BZFlag | or perhaps that would be ...---... |
| 02:05:16 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 02:05:22 | vogon_jeltz | I was wondering what the hell "OSO" was. |
| 02:05:38 | BZFlag | heh |
| 02:05:46 | vogon_jeltz | [captain_proton] hell - if religion means the various groups around campus giving me free stuff, GOD ME UP! |
| 02:05:53 | vogon_jeltz | I must use that in my sig. |
| 02:07:22 | MrApathyCream | just lookin to see if anyone was here |
| 02:07:54 | MrApathyCream | heh, OSO.... oops |
| 02:08:58 | MrApathyCream | getting sudden disconnects, as are others.... SR problem? |
| 02:09:08 | MrApathyCream | bummer |
| 03:11:15 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: hack the MsgKill function to dump out the packet in hex and see what we are getting that causes it. |
| 05:56:54 | jacques | whoohooo!!! |
| 05:56:57 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 05:56:57 | jacques | ibot: wb |
| 05:57:04 | | :) |
| 05:57:04 | jacques | ibot: botsnack |
| 06:01:48 | BZFlag | EddieNull: thanx for the OSX work! I look forward to the Makefile patches. ;-) |
| 06:01:59 | onthemark | hey all |
| 06:02:16 | ick | captain_proton: you're server is acting up |
| 06:02:36 | ick | proton? |
| 06:02:57 | ick | I think CATPOON has owned you... |
| 06:05:03 | BZFlag | ok, folks update and build just to be sure osx did not break anything. it looks very clean to me. |
| 06:05:07 | BZFlag | rebuilds |
| 06:06:47 | MrApathyCream | I think the kill messages crash is patched. |
| 06:07:10 | MrApathyCream | My guess, You receive a MsgKill message, before MsgShotBegin |
| 06:07:21 | MrApathyCream | involving a two third parties. |
| 06:07:32 | BZFlag | could be. good work! |
| 06:07:47 | MrApathyCream | no it just says: killed by <unknown> |
| 06:07:51 | jpablo | works good for me. |
| 06:09:28 | jacques | BZFlag: build 1.7 or 1.8 ? |
| 06:10:30 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: any thoughts on the Ban patch? |
| 06:13:08 | MrApathyCream | Latest builds fine here win32 |
| 06:20:06 | BZFlag | 1.7 |
| 06:20:37 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: it's alist now? I have to give it a look. |
| 06:20:56 | MrApathyCream | yes alist, and by IP addresses |
| 06:21:31 | MrApathyCream | with wild cards 24.134.32.* to ban dial-up dynamic ip players |
| 06:22:09 | MrApathyCream | used in conjunction with thilo's /playerlist cmd |
| 06:23:45 | BZFlag | * is converted to 255 ? |
| 06:23:55 | BZFlag | ie: no masks are used? |
| 06:25:00 | BZFlag | at work I have a machine with a 172.27.168.255 address. that is a valid address, as is 172.27.168.0 |
| 06:25:21 | MrApathyCream | Isn't 255 a broadcast address? |
| 06:25:32 | BZFlag | only for a class C address. |
| 06:25:43 | MrApathyCream | erg |
| 06:26:02 | BZFlag | .63 could be a broadcast address to for a /26 network. |
| 06:26:30 | MrApathyCream | all 255 ids could be valid then? |
| 06:26:40 | MrApathyCream | guess i'll switch em to short[4]'s then |
| 06:26:54 | BZFlag | perhaps, yes. depends on the network structure. |
| 06:27:07 | BZFlag | don't switch to shorts.. |
| 06:27:24 | BZFlag | either add a cidr mask or I'll just add a FIXME comment. |
| 06:27:47 | BZFlag | in the real world the patch you posted will do a lot of good as is. |
| 06:28:16 | MrApathyCream | I suppose it means that if you specify 255 meaning only ban ip 255, you will ban all players on that subnet |
| 06:28:30 | MrApathyCream | that's not terrible i guess. |
| 06:29:10 | MrApathyCream | probably ip 255 is not given out willy-nilly anyway |
| 06:30:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: something is messed up with the identify - it doesn't set the alert |
| 06:31:28 | BZFlag | captain_proton: huh? in 1.7? |
| 06:31:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: yeah |
| 06:31:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: at least with both hud patches applied |
| 06:31:45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: however |
| 06:31:49 | captain_proton | neither changes that code |
| 06:33:31 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: Even though it's set to 255, when ip's are compared, if the mask is 255, it's set to the compare-to's number before comparison, to get mask effect. |
| 06:34:22 | jacques | captain_proton: what have you done to your server? |
| 06:34:41 | jacques | who's captoon bry ? |
| 06:34:44 | BZFlag | yeah. Well, I'll add it and a comment about the cidr. I don't think it'll get in anybodies way. |
| 06:34:52 | jacques | ppl are accusing me of cheating there now |
| 06:34:56 | jacques | not sure why |
| 06:34:57 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 06:35:09 | captain_proton | bwahahahaha |
| 06:35:47 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: /GX in the dsp ? |
| 06:36:29 | MrApathyCream | was getting warnings about exceptions w/o unwind semantics |
| 06:36:37 | MrApathyCream | from stream code |
| 06:42:22 | jacques | hmmm, bzflag crashed on exit this time |
| 06:42:29 | captain_proton | its the map |
| 06:42:34 | jacques | ah ok |
| 06:42:41 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: ? |
| 06:46:08 | jacques | hmm it dumped a 116MB core file |
| 06:46:15 | jacques | i think that map is nasty |
| 06:46:20 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:46:45 | captain_proton | -rw------- 1 jupiter jupiter 100M Apr 19 00:48 core |
| 06:47:10 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: committed, should have compiled first. ugh.... |
| 06:47:24 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: the id problem exists in current 1.7? or are patches not applied yet? |
| 06:47:28 | BZFlag | `struct in_addr' has no member named `S_un' |
| 06:47:40 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:47:44 | MrApathyCream | win32 |
| 06:47:56 | MrApathyCream | union |
| 06:49:02 | MrApathyCream | struct in_addr { |
| 06:49:08 | MrApathyCream | union { |
| 06:49:08 | MrApathyCream | struct { u_char s_b1,s_b2,s_b3,s_b4; } S_un_b; |
| 06:49:08 | MrApathyCream | struct { u_short s_w1,s_w2; } S_un_w; |
| 06:49:08 | MrApathyCream | u_long S_addr; |
| 06:49:08 | MrApathyCream | } S_un; |
| 06:49:08 | MrApathyCream | #define s_addr S_un.S_addr |
| 06:49:12 | MrApathyCream | /* can be used for most tcp & ip code */ |
| 06:49:12 | MrApathyCream | #define s_host S_un.S_un_b.s_b2 |
| 06:49:14 | MrApathyCream | /* host on imp */ |
| 06:49:18 | MrApathyCream | #define s_net S_un.S_un_b.s_b1 |
| 06:49:18 | MrApathyCream | /* network */ |
| 06:49:21 | captain_proton | silly win32 |
| 06:49:22 | MrApathyCream | #define s_imp S_un.S_un_w.s_w2 |
| 06:49:24 | MrApathyCream | /* imp */ |
| 06:49:26 | MrApathyCream | #define s_impno S_un.S_un_b.s_b4 |
| 06:49:28 | MrApathyCream | /* imp # */ |
| 06:49:31 | BZFlag | yeah, I figured what it was. |
| 06:49:33 | MrApathyCream | #define s_lh S_un.S_un_b.s_b3 |
| 06:49:33 | MrApathyCream | /* logical host */ |
| 06:49:37 | MrApathyCream | }; |
| 06:49:41 | BZFlag | ok, cut the spam |
| 07:00:25 | BZFlag | code is broken vis addresses like 10.255.24.25 too. |
| 07:00:47 | MrApathyCream | huh? |
| 07:01:04 | MrApathyCream | checking.. |
| 07:02:41 | BZFlag | 10.255.24.15 is a valid host address. the 255 is not a broadcast indicator. |
| 07:02:50 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:03:08 | BZFlag | but 255.x.x.x is not a valid address. |
| 07:03:14 | MrApathyCream | ah, i see |
| 07:03:27 | MrApathyCream | Guess i'll have to make it two parts. |
| 07:04:08 | BZFlag | I'm fixing it. |
| 07:05:06 | MrApathyCream | ok, thanks |
| 07:06:12 | MrApathyCream | might need a /ban clear admin msg or something |
| 07:06:45 | BZFlag | no man page fix in the patch either.... |
| 07:07:55 | MrApathyCream | winhelp bzflag.man |
| 07:08:00 | MrApathyCream | ## command not recognized |
| 07:09:31 | BZFlag | and ';' is not a good parameter separator. , used elsewhere. |
| 07:09:50 | captain_proton | ',' is good ;) |
| 07:09:51 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: try cygwin. ;-) |
| 07:10:03 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:10:23 | BZFlag | and -ban checking should come before -b just to be sure. |
| 07:10:26 | MrApathyCream | want me to fix, are you doing it? |
| 07:10:32 | BZFlag | doing it, just griping. |
| 07:10:50 | BZFlag | and the -ban error msgs still said -f |
| 07:10:59 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:11:10 | MrApathyCream | something before nothing, right. My librarian would be so disappointed |
| 07:13:51 | jacques | other way around I think |
| 07:14:55 | MrApathyCream | oooh, than -ban after -b .... woowoo? |
| 07:17:55 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: ;) should be ,) |
| 07:18:09 | jacques | heading home |
| 07:18:30 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:20:06 | BZFlag | ok, test that on your silly os, you english KniGit |
| 07:20:39 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:21:30 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:26:31 | BZFlag | it compile ok? |
| 07:27:29 | MrApathyCream | yeah, but the bytes went in backwards |
| 07:27:42 | MrApathyCream | mask.s_addr= b[0] << 24 | b[1] << 16 | b[2] << 8 | b[3]; |
| 07:30:17 | MrApathyCream | have to reverse ip to ban |
| 07:30:56 | BZFlag | hmm... |
| 07:31:45 | BZFlag | b 0-3 is the order they are read yes? |
| 07:31:52 | MrApathyCream | maybe need htonl |
| 07:31:54 | BZFlag | so b0 is most significant? |
| 07:32:15 | BZFlag | needs a /banlist as well. ;-) |
| 07:32:55 | BZFlag | so the largest byte should be shifted 24 as it is. I believe it is correct, no? |
| 07:36:27 | MrApathyCream | doesn't work on windoze |
| 07:36:44 | BZFlag | and the old one did I presume. |
| 07:37:07 | BZFlag | bet I nee parens. |
| 07:37:47 | BZFlag | ahh.... and a cast. can't << 24 a char |
| 07:38:35 | MrApathyCream | I'm guessing you need to do |
| 07:38:55 | MrApathyCream | mask.s_addr = ntolh( b[0] << 24 | b[1] << 16 | b[2] << 8 | b[3] ); |
| 07:39:07 | MrApathyCream | that would work |
| 07:39:35 | MrApathyCream | s/ntolh/ntohl/ |
| 07:39:37 | BZFlag | still need the casts |
| 07:40:09 | BZFlag | try that. |
| 07:43:48 | BZFlag | well? try cvs? |
| 07:44:20 | MrApathyCream | one sec |
| 07:46:53 | MrApathyCream | still backwards |
| 07:47:20 | BZFlag | on intel they would be, yes. |
| 07:47:25 | MrApathyCream | ntohl |
| 07:47:29 | BZFlag | but so is the compare. |
| 07:47:46 | MrApathyCream | can only ban myself if i specify the ip backwards |
| 07:47:48 | BZFlag | so I could reverse them on add and then reverse them again on compare. |
| 07:49:29 | BZFlag | ahh! validate is called with an actual ip. ic |
| 07:50:17 | BZFlag | what apain in the butt. |
| 07:55:23 | BZFlag | ok, fixed I think. |
| 07:56:37 | MrApathyCream | checking |
| 07:57:27 | captain_proton | is tired |
| 07:57:33 | MrApathyCream | yes that worked |
| 07:57:40 | BZFlag | wildcards too? |
| 07:58:41 | BZFlag | ips seem to work for me, but wildcards don't |
| 07:58:43 | MrApathyCream | ah, hold on |
| 07:59:43 | BZFlag | oh, crap. I think I got it. |
| 07:59:50 | MrApathyCream | no wildcards don't |
| 08:01:04 | BZFlag | fixed, I think. |
| 08:03:18 | BZFlag | hmmm. it appears not. |
| 08:03:51 | MrApathyCream | works for me at least * in last pos |
| 08:04:34 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:04:40 | captain_proton | we haven't seen mr rcam recently |
| 08:05:32 | BZFlag | hmm.. ok. perhaps I mistyped then. cool. |
| 08:06:09 | BZFlag | yeah, I wonder if rcam will ever come back. watch for unautorized releases. I may have to get my lawyer involved. |
| 08:08:41 | captain_proton | =| |
| 08:08:48 | captain_proton | eww |
| 08:08:52 | captain_proton | flag up/down bug again |
| 08:09:00 | BZFlag | so if you want to fix it, there should be a bit count with each mask. and then we compare a mask to the (ntohl(addr) >> mask << mask) |
| 08:09:16 | BZFlag | up/down bug? |
| 08:09:19 | captain_proton | almost dies |
| 08:09:28 | captain_proton | BZFlag: falls too far down |
| 08:09:41 | captain_proton | (ntohl(addr) >> mask << mask)???? |
| 08:09:44 | captain_proton | OMG! |
| 08:21:05 | BZFlag | captain_proton: huh? what's wrong with that? |
| 08:21:24 | BZFlag | I presume the mask is a cidr bit count. so perhaps: |
| 08:22:12 | captain_proton | BZFlag: whats wrong with that code? it looks gross |
| 08:22:38 | BZFlag | if (addr == (ntohl(mask.addr) >> mask.cidr << mask.cidr) |
| 08:22:48 | BZFlag | would be more correct. |
| 08:23:28 | BZFlag | hmmm.. ok, cidr would be the reverse... so |
| 08:23:45 | BZFlag | if (addr == (ntohl(mask.addr) >> (32 - mask.cidr) << (32 - mask.cidr)) |
| 08:23:51 | BZFlag | is it looking better? ;-) |
| 08:24:35 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:24:43 | BZFlag | or would you prefer: |
| 08:25:29 | BZFlag | if (addr == (ntohl(mask.addr) | ~(0xffffffff >> (32 - mask.cidr)) |
| 08:25:59 | BZFlag | hmmm nope that would be... |
| 08:26:46 | BZFlag | hmm. actually I think that's right. |
| 08:27:16 | BZFlag | ok, it's not. |
| 08:27:22 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:28:25 | BZFlag | if (addr == (ntohl(mask.addr) | ~(0xffffffff >> mask.cidr) |
| 08:29:17 | BZFlag | heh cept ansi C might carry the high bit. |
| 08:29:25 | BZFlag | if (addr == (ntohl(mask.addr) | ~((unsigned int)0xffffffff >> mask.cidr) |
| 08:30:29 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:31:30 | captain_proton | 1) flag upTime will be the time it takes to traverse thrownHeight |
| 08:32:11 | captain_proton | 2) flag downTime will be maxHeight (throw position + throw height) - landing position |
| 08:32:15 | captain_proton | err |
| 08:32:18 | captain_proton | the time to traverse that |
| 08:32:28 | captain_proton | therefore |
| 08:32:34 | captain_proton | WHY DOESN'T THIS WORK?!?! |
| 08:37:32 | captain_proton | grr |
| 08:37:35 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:44:38 | captain_proton | is frustrated at this bug |
| 08:44:42 | captain_proton | its so simple |
| 09:06:46 | captain_proton | ARGH! |
| 09:06:59 | MrApathyCream | /banlist cmd added |
| 09:12:20 | captain_proton | tries to wrap his head around this problem |
| 09:18:40 | MrApathyCream | considers such a pretty sight |
| 09:18:50 | MrApathyCream | welp shut-eye time |
| 10:29:29 | Chestal | re |
| 10:29:50 | Chestal | hmm, be careful with permanent bans on IPs and bans on IP blocks |
| 14:45:10 | T-34 | Hi tankers! |
| 15:15:26 | Pinguin | Greetings ... CHESTAL: what's with ducati??? |
| 15:15:49 | Chestal | still down, people are reinstalling it |
| 15:16:10 | Pinguin | Computer Crash? |
| 15:16:51 | Chestal | no, it was in a half-installed state for a long time and hd no admin |
| 15:17:06 | Chestal | it couldn't be used for anything else than bzfs :-) |
| 15:17:14 | Pinguin | What exactly are we supposed to do now :-( ... |
| 15:17:44 | Chestal | hmm, play on another server or do something else :) |
| 15:17:58 | Pinguin | I would start a CTF server ... IF I COULD!!! |
| 15:18:27 | Chestal | what stops you? |
| 15:18:46 | Pinguin | windows clients se Linux clients, but not the other way round .... unfair ... |
| 15:18:57 | Pinguin | 1.7e4 ... |
| 15:19:22 | Chestal | don't use e4 server in a LAN |
| 15:19:32 | | i guess which version is my client based on? |
| 15:19:32 | Pinguin | which version? |
| 15:19:46 | Chestal | either older or newer |
| 15:19:56 | Pinguin | 1.7e3 ??? e2??? |
| 15:20:23 | Chestal | what os do you run the server on? |
| 15:20:36 | Pinguin | how to get newer version (never used CVS (successfully)) |
| 15:20:49 | Pinguin | Linux!!! The best OS ever |
| 15:21:00 | Pinguin | Pentium II 500 |
| 15:21:03 | Chestal | than I would recommend getting current CVS code and compile it |
| 15:21:06 | Chestal | cvs isn't hard |
| 15:21:07 | Pinguin | sorry Pentium III |
| 15:21:22 | Pinguin | give me a command line to get the source, please |
| 15:21:37 | Chestal | go to bzfla gon sourceforge, then click on CVS |
| 15:21:40 | Chestal | command line is there |
| 15:21:48 | Pinguin | OK ... ill try |
| 15:23:13 | Pinguin | is there a god trick to get all files at once? |
| 15:24:49 | Chestal | "co bzflag" will give you the whoel bzflag tree |
| 15:27:39 | Pinguin | ha ... i thick it works ... |
| 15:28:35 | Chestal | I'd be interested in your results, curent code hasn't probably been tested very much yet |
| 15:29:28 | Pinguin | OK ... i do not know if the University will be too glad if i start a server here ... but anyway ... |
| 15:29:42 | Chestal | do you want to make it public? or LAN-only? |
| 15:30:22 | Pinguin | if it works i will run it definetly LAN ... if nothing speaks against it: public ... i still do not know ... |
| 15:30:48 | Pinguin | compiling ... |
| 15:31:13 | Chestal | ok, try LAN first. pre-e5 clients will probably have problems with this server and UDP. Either update those or use TCP for LAN play |
| 15:31:40 | Pinguin | so i have to use another server for pubic? |
| 15:31:59 | Pinguin | what was ducati's version? |
| 15:32:16 | Chestal | ducati currently is based on e3/e4 I guess with lots of patches |
| 15:32:22 | Chestal | I plan to use e6 once it's released |
| 15:32:29 | Chestal | I want peopel to upgrade their clients then anyway |
| 15:32:37 | Pinguin | but older clients wont be able to connect? |
| 15:32:52 | Chestal | they can connect, but currently they'll get kicked if you enforce UDP only |
| 15:33:10 | Chestal | maybe we will solve that, maybe not, the bug is in the old clients |
| 15:34:44 | Pinguin | is anyone working on the RobotPlayer ??? |
| 15:35:00 | Chestal | not that I know of |
| 15:35:39 | Chestal | problem is that major changes to the design of bzflag client would be necessary to implement a robot API cleanly |
| 15:36:54 | Pinguin | is it not possible to start a non-gui process with --robot -server ???? and change the LocalPlayer.cxx ??? |
| 15:37:37 | Chestal | in the current code, GUI and game logic are not 100% distinct |
| 15:38:52 | Pinguin | bomber and me looked over the RobotPlayer.cxx, but there are a lot of dependencies i do not understand ... |
| 15:39:12 | Chestal | the way to go is too strip robot code from bzflag client |
| 15:39:28 | Pinguin | to make a bzbot ? |
| 15:39:31 | Chestal | and make it a sperate executable |
| 15:40:00 | Chestal | either some kind of bot proxy to whichthe actual bots can connect and communictae over some protocol |
| 15:40:12 | Chestal | or make a direct API with language bindings |
| 15:40:26 | Chestal | or invent a script language |
| 15:40:44 | Pinguin | would a script language be fast enough? |
| 15:41:01 | Chestal | if it only has to handle high-level details, yes |
| 15:41:18 | Chestal | if it was too slow, the bot would just react more slowly |
| 15:41:28 | Chestal | the basic simulation engine will be C++ |
| 15:42:01 | Pinguin | there are some games to program robots and let them fight each other, but they are no match for a human! |
| 15:42:20 | Chestal | bzbot bots could be tough |
| 15:42:26 | Chestal | do you know my hacked-in bots? |
| 15:42:34 | Pinguin | no ... |
| 15:42:47 | Chestal | I just hacked them into curent client code, it's not pretty |
| 15:43:00 | Chestal | they're quite good on no-jumping, no-flags setup |
| 15:43:09 | Pinguin | the code i am compiling now has your bots? |
| 15:43:24 | Chestal | I put one of my bots on ducati free for all, it regularly scored highest |
| 15:43:30 | Chestal | no |
| 15:43:37 | Pinguin | ups ... |
| 15:44:00 | Chestal | my bots are very good dogers, just a bit boring, they just sit there and shoot |
| 15:44:19 | Chestal | but their shooting is well-aimed and they can even use simple ricohets |
| 15:44:31 | Chestal | it's _very_ hard to beat him in a one on one |
| 15:45:12 | scanline | is back (gone 09:51:56) |
| 15:45:13 | Pinguin | so far beyound the robots of 17e4 ... |
| 15:45:26 | Chestal | well, at least the default bots try to go after other players |
| 15:45:35 | Chestal | mine are too stupid to do that :-) |
| 15:45:54 | Pinguin | wait ... what kind of robots i am compiling now ??? |
| 15:46:03 | Chestal | the old robots |
| 15:46:03 | scanline | is away: more circuits |
| 15:46:18 | Pinguin | can i have your new robots? |
| 15:46:33 | Chestal | well, yes and no :-) |
| 15:46:39 | Chestal | they're not integrated as bots |
| 15:46:52 | Chestal | basically, you run an own executable for each bot, it acts as a player |
| 15:47:08 | Chestal | and it's based on older version of bzflag |
| 15:47:44 | Pinguin | so you have already divided the code into player with GUI and robot without? |
| 15:47:54 | Chestal | they're more liek a proof-of-concept than anything else. And it proofs that we need to change bzflag code to be able to integrate bots :-) |
| 15:47:58 | Chestal | nope |
| 15:48:21 | Chestal | I just took bzflag client, replaced mouse steering by call of some functions |
| 15:48:32 | Chestal | and removed the rendering code, it stil lopens a window though |
| 15:48:52 | Chestal | I used to start them in tiny windows |
| 15:48:57 | Pinguin | bzgview ??? |
| 15:49:05 | Chestal | oh |
| 15:49:08 | Chestal | I forgot to tell you |
| 15:49:13 | Chestal | you've downloaded 1.8 source now |
| 15:49:18 | | so is the hardware pretty much set or are we still testing with diff options? |
| 15:49:18 | Pinguin | so? |
| 15:49:19 | Chestal | but you want 1.7e5 |
| 15:49:25 | Pinguin | do i? |
| 15:49:32 | Chestal | hmm, phone |
| 15:50:42 | Pinguin | REPORT: bzflag takes screen and makes it black ... does not respond to killall bzflag ... |
| 15:51:14 | vogon_jeltz | a segfault would do that. |
| 15:51:26 | vogon_jeltz | as would a failure to find the data files. |
| 15:51:45 | Pinguin | oh the data files ... i still use the 1.7e4 ... |
| 15:52:16 | Pinguin | FURTHER REPORT: bzfs does not listen anywhere ... |
| 15:53:41 | Pinguin | Question: Are own bots allowed in the league??? |
| 15:54:08 | Chestal | ok |
| 15:54:14 | Chestal | grab the correct source for now |
| 15:54:18 | Chestal | you dont want to use 1.8 |
| 15:54:48 | Chestal | well, if we will ever have clever bots hey might be allowed |
| 15:55:12 | Chestal | either remove your bzflag dir do the new cvs co in another directory |
| 15:55:25 | Chestal | and do "co -r v1_7 bzflag" |
| 15:57:13 | Pinguin | OK ... i just "tested" 1.8 ... impressive !!! |
| 15:58:16 | Pinguin | btw: bomber is experimenting with meshing algorithms (triangels) for bots!!! |
| 15:58:32 | Pinguin | to mesh the map of course ... |
| 15:59:18 | Chestal | sounds interesting |
| 15:59:55 | Pinguin | we still struggle with the code ... to get all needed info for maps etc... and to controll the tank ... |
| 16:00:44 | Chestal | I realyl cannot recommend trying to use bots based on the current code |
| 16:01:02 | Pinguin | btw: font size in 1.8 is microscopic ... |
| 16:01:19 | Pinguin | so bots should be based on 1.8??? |
| 16:02:13 | Chestal | currently, there are only plans to make a better bot interface, but nothing has been worked out |
| 16:02:26 | Chestal | it would be very nice to have, but it's a lot of work |
| 16:03:16 | Chestal | and as 1.8 might undergo other big changes it's best to keep tuned here. Or try to start a discussion about it, post ideas, write a proposal -) |
| 16:03:25 | Pinguin | the e5 code compiled much faster ... will try the server now ... |
| 16:07:05 | Pinguin | hm ... works nearly! perfect ... i do not see shots from windows client ... |
| 16:08:42 | Chestal | hmm |
| 16:08:53 | Chestal | windows or linux shouldn't make a difference |
| 16:08:59 | Chestal | which version is the windows client? |
| 16:09:07 | Pinguin | and if i shot ... bzflag freezes ... on linux side ... |
| 16:09:26 | Pinguin | e4 |
| 16:09:40 | Chestal | some syrange network layout? NAT or anything? |
| 16:10:08 | Pinguin | no ... standart network ... only the windows client has no DNS entry ... |
| 16:10:39 | Chestal | hmm, I'd say try another version for windows |
| 16:10:45 | Pinguin | the bzfs e5 now consumes 90% of cpu ... |
| 16:10:47 | Chestal | why does your linux client freeze? which client? |
| 16:10:52 | Chestal | ehm |
| 16:10:58 | Pinguin | linux: e4 |
| 16:11:08 | Chestal | try the e5 client you just compiled |
| 16:11:24 | Pinguin | ok |
| 16:11:35 | Chestal | bzf sshouldn't consume any noticeable amount of CPU on your system, it doesn't on mine |
| 16:11:52 | Chestal | I can't try righ tnow, though |
| 16:12:25 | Chestal | what's your bzfs command line? |
| 16:13:48 | Pinguin | ./bzfs |
| 16:14:27 | Pinguin | linux e5 client ... the same: i shot win client and the last thing i see is the bullet sticking in the win tank .... frozen |
| 16:14:59 | Pinguin | again the bzfs consumes 90% of cpu |
| 16:15:09 | RiSeMaN | hello all :) |
| 16:15:16 | Pinguin | hola |
| 16:15:29 | RiSeMaN | hola pinguin :))) |
| 16:15:47 | Chestal | pinguin: hmm, I never tried it without any options, try at least ./bzfs -p 5155 -pr 5156 |
| 16:15:49 | Chestal | hi Rise |
| 16:15:51 | RiSeMaN | ummm is ducati down? |
| 16:15:54 | Pinguin | ok |
| 16:15:57 | RiSeMaN | hi chestal |
| 16:16:04 | Chestal | riseman: yes, it's being reinstalled |
| 16:16:19 | RiSeMaN | Chestal: ammm, ok :))) |
| 16:18:01 | Pinguin | the same ... exept that now bzfs does not consume that much cpu power afterwards ... |
| 16:25:03 | Chestal | e5 client freezes? |
| 16:25:31 | Pinguin | Chestal: two windows clients e4 with linux e5 sever: my shots are invisible and go through bombers ... when he shots me we both die ... |
| 16:25:52 | Chestal | hmm, strange |
| 16:25:56 | Pinguin | yes e5 client freezees too ... |
| 16:26:24 | Chestal | huh? I haven't tried the newest version, but version from two days ago worked fine for me and there have been no changes that should do that |
| 16:26:29 | Chestal | when does it freeze? |
| 16:26:47 | Pinguin | ups bzfs now consumes again 90% ... after the two windows clients (server is still e5 linux) |
| 16:27:09 | Pinguin | it freezes excactly when my shot touches the win client tabnk ... |
| 16:27:24 | Chestal | hmm, I cannot test curent code now |
| 16:27:31 | Chestal | coudl you try and install e5 on windows? |
| 16:27:36 | Pinguin | OK |
| 16:27:47 | Pinguin | give me few minutes .... |
| 16:27:54 | Chestal | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html has MrApathyCream's builds |
| 16:28:49 | Pinguin | Download the 1.7e5 development build ??? |
| 16:29:08 | Chestal | yes |
| 16:30:17 | Chestal | maybe the current bzfs version is buggy, I dont know. bans have been added, maybe there's an error in there which could cause the high cpu usage |
| 16:36:06 | Pinguin | OK e5 win client and e5 linux client and e5 linux server ... works! |
| 16:36:47 | Chestal | I still don't understand why it forze before, hmm |
| 16:37:34 | Chestal | you should have the new lagstats now, not that it's important on a LAN :) |
| 16:38:17 | Pinguin | bomber downloads now e5 too ... so we can train in out LAN ... fear the penguins |
| 16:41:41 | Chestal | which server optons are you going to use? |
| 16:43:54 | Pinguin | dont know yet ... any recomednations? |
| 16:44:40 | Chestal | depends on what you like |
| 16:44:41 | Pinguin | off ... to play with bomber in LAN ... |
| 16:44:50 | Chestal | have fun, please report any problems |
| 16:44:55 | Chestal | and try the new /lagstats |
| 16:48:46 | RiSeMaN | umm a question chestal, is the 1.7e5 version ready for linux? i want download it ;) |
| 16:51:30 | jpablo | RiSeMaN: 1.7e5 Works For Me (me). |
| 16:51:42 | jpablo | RiSeMaN: 1.7e5 Works For Me (tm). |
| 16:52:24 | RiSeMaN | jpablo: ummm? |
| 16:52:42 | Chestal | RiSeMan: development code, you'd have to grab the source from CVS and build it yourself |
| 16:52:43 | RiSeMaN | my english... arf... works for you? |
| 16:53:25 | RiSeMaN | Chestal: amm okok :))) |
| 16:53:33 | jpablo | RiSeMaN: 1.7e5 me jala bien aqui :-) |
| 16:54:00 | RiSeMaN | jpablo: ajam ;)) |
| 17:05:59 | jpablo | damn, no one good ctf server up. |
| 17:08:32 | [meq]freelancer | hi all anyone know what happened to ducati server |
| 17:09:44 | Chestal | admins are reinstalling it |
| 17:10:24 | [meq]freelancer | thanks for the info cya later |
| 17:37:59 | captain_proton | lan bugs popping up |
| 17:38:17 | captain_proton | i'm not able to play with moose across different subnets on a class B |
| 17:38:42 | Pinguin | what is new with lagstats? |
| 17:38:57 | captain_proton | Pinguin: accurate |
| 17:39:39 | Pinguin | I have been now playing e5 ... the colors are somehow strange ... i like the colors in e4 better ... |
| 17:39:52 | captain_proton | they're changed to be easier to see |
| 17:40:06 | captain_proton | before it was completely impossible to see blue on some cards/monitors |
| 17:40:08 | Pinguin | blue shots are hard to see ... |
| 17:41:07 | Pinguin | Chestal: No chance to get one of your bots? |
| 17:43:24 | Chestal | pinguin: you can have my source code if you like, hold on |
| 17:43:56 | Pinguin | thank you ... will help me to understand and try(!) to make an own ... |
| 17:44:09 | Chestal | hmm, don't know if the source will be very helpful, but anyway :-) |
| 17:44:13 | Chestal | ftp://ftp.unix-ag.org/user/thilo/bots.tgz |
| 17:44:26 | captain_proton | you should write a CTF bot |
| 17:44:27 | Chestal | it's not a patch, it replaces some files, it's based on an older version of bz |
| 17:44:34 | Pinguin | well (un)documented source? |
| 17:44:43 | Chestal | pinguin: and as said, it is a hack, so don't try similar thing at home |
| 17:44:55 | Chestal | my source is of course self-docoumenting ;-) |
| 17:45:00 | Pinguin | ok children ... dont try this at home |
| 17:45:01 | captain_proton | hah |
| 17:45:38 | Chestal | pinguin: you can change the colours by editing the config file |
| 17:45:45 | Pinguin | got it ... thank you ... |
| 17:46:01 | Chestal | hmm, we should document this |
| 17:46:11 | Chestal | as well as the sever /commands |
| 17:46:15 | Chestal | and the -pr option |
| 17:46:30 | Chestal | proton: which version(s) are you using? |
| 17:46:51 | Chestal | proton: asking because of your network problems |
| 17:47:07 | captain_proton | Chestal: this is with my e4 server and a brand new client |
| 17:47:18 | captain_proton | it only happens with a certain nickname though |
| 17:47:22 | Chestal | captain_proton: hmmmm |
| 17:47:59 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:49:13 | Pinguin | OK leaving for a work-free weekend ... bye |
| 17:49:22 | Chestal | I'd like to have all those networks bug fixed for e6, at least with a pure e6 setup |
| 17:49:30 | Chestal | I'm going, too, for now, cu |
| 17:50:04 | RiSeMaN | bye chestal |
| 18:03:10 | blaboo | sup |
| 18:29:52 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
| 18:42:09 | RiSeMaN | bye all |
| 19:11:14 | blaboo | man that game hurts |
| 19:11:18 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 19:11:33 | blaboo | once you're gone the team sucked |
| 19:11:44 | blaboo | or maybe just we were the team |
| 19:11:46 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:12:00 | blaboo | anyway, what are you doing over the summer? |
| 19:12:13 | captain_proton | system/network admin |
| 19:12:30 | blaboo | network admin? sounds like a lot of free time |
| 19:12:38 | blaboo | unix machines, right? |
| 19:12:41 | captain_proton | yeppers |
| 19:12:46 | blaboo | my god, i pray its unix |
| 19:12:57 | blaboo | who still uses windows out there? |
| 19:13:05 | captain_proton | mostly linux & solaris, some HP-UX & IRIX |
| 19:13:24 | blaboo | god i hate solaris |
| 19:13:28 | blaboo | irix, all that bs |
| 19:13:32 | blaboo | linux is soooo nice |
| 19:13:38 | captain_proton | solaris is a good server platform |
| 19:13:51 | captain_proton | not really a very good workstation unless you're doing very specialized things |
| 19:14:04 | blaboo | its gonna go |
| 19:14:05 | captain_proton | IRIX is cool just because its optimized for MIPS |
| 19:14:08 | captain_proton | wubs MIPS |
| 19:14:30 | blaboo | unfortunately they went and spent all kinds of money for solaris workstations that chug at my school |
| 19:14:39 | captain_proton | "chug"? =) |
| 19:14:47 | blaboo | slow as hell |
| 19:14:50 | captain_proton | eww |
| 19:15:02 | blaboo | but i chalk that up to poor sysadmin work |
| 19:15:02 | captain_proton | they've got some nice solaris workstations in the CS labs here |
| 19:15:12 | blaboo | sunblades? |
| 19:15:30 | captain_proton | i think it was the previous workstation model - still uses the ultrasparc IIe though |
| 19:15:33 | blaboo | mips is nice, studied that in cpsc230/231 |
| 19:15:45 | blaboo | yeah we got sunblades |
| 19:15:53 | blaboo | they should be faster than fast, but they're not |
| 19:15:56 | captain_proton | which model? |
| 19:16:15 | blaboo | i dunno, i have a key to the hpc lab, so i don't touch the shitty things |
| 19:16:29 | blaboo | it doesn't really matter when the school is still on netscape 4 |
| 19:16:29 | captain_proton | hpc? |
| 19:16:37 | blaboo | high performance computing baby |
| 19:16:48 | captain_proton | what kinds of machines? |
| 19:16:54 | blaboo | i get to work on a linux machine with lotsa power, but if i need more |
| 19:17:14 | blaboo | i move to 28 node fraser |
| 19:17:22 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 19:17:37 | blaboo | heh, but i don't do too much number crunching |
| 19:18:02 | blaboo | stupid poorly programmed chemistry routines eat up all the cpu time on the hpc anyway |
| 19:18:49 | blaboo | we do have a dual processor irix sgi octane, but i don't work on it cuz X is in 8 bit |
| 19:19:00 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 19:19:04 | blaboo | why bother if the admins are incompetent? |
| 19:19:06 | vogon_jeltz | cranks up Classical Gas |
| 19:19:07 | captain_proton | likes SGI hardware =) |
| 19:19:18 | captain_proton | blaboo: have you ever looked inside an SGI box? |
| 19:19:23 | blaboo | nope |
| 19:19:32 | blaboo | i did see a guy who made a minifridge out of his octane |
| 19:19:43 | captain_proton | they're beautiful |
| 19:19:45 | blaboo | at this point i would rather have an ice cold coke than an sgi octane |
| 19:19:50 | captain_proton | everything is backplaned, slide-out... |
| 19:19:54 | blaboo | put together real well? clean? |
| 19:19:57 | blaboo | ahh, well designed |
| 19:19:59 | captain_proton | has freezing coke |
| 19:20:19 | blaboo | proton, go jones yourself a jones dood |
| 19:20:23 | captain_proton | ? |
| 19:20:25 | blaboo | you'll never go back to coke |
| 19:20:55 | blaboo | anyway, time for some baguette! |
| 19:21:06 | blaboo | i feel french! |
| 19:21:18 | captain_proton | hah |
| 19:21:36 | captain_proton | hey timmy |
| 19:30:27 | captain_proton | blaboo: you were asking about rach cello? |
| 19:45:41 | EddieNull | tim, did you diff the os x source with bzflag.cxx? I don't have the code handy but in the build I made last night from cvs I notice some things a screwy |
| 19:54:40 | blaboo | captain_proton: does he have any cello stuff? is it tricky? |
| 19:54:53 | blaboo | captain_proton: i'm down to the cup, gotta have me some of the bean, later yo |
| 20:09:16 | BZFlag | EddieNull: I diffed the two trees. was bzflag.cxx in the normal place? |
| 20:09:27 | BZFlag | it's possible I missed something. feel free to fix it. ;-) |
| 21:18:42 | scanline | is back (gone 03:30:43) |
| 21:47:06 | Bill` | is there any obvious reason that bzflag would segfault for all users except root on linux? |
| 21:48:30 | Chestal | no |
| 21:48:38 | Chestal | maybe some problem with your glx setup? |
| 21:49:59 | Bill` | hmmm |
| 21:51:21 | Chestal | does it segfault immediately? which version? what dist? which X-Server / video card? |
| 21:52:21 | Bill` | immediately, its 1.7e2 dist is Sorcery, XFree4.2, nVidia Geforce2 |
| 21:52:53 | captain_proton | hmm old |
| 21:52:55 | Chestal | wel, for one, 1.7e2 is quite old |
| 21:53:07 | Chestal | you're using nvidia driver? |
| 21:53:13 | Bill` | yup |
| 21:53:19 | captain_proton | what version of NVdriver? |
| 21:53:30 | Chestal | nvidia is proprietary? no dri? |
| 21:53:41 | captain_proton | Chestal: right |
| 21:53:50 | Bill` | not the very latest that came out a couple days ago, but the one right before it..... |
| 21:54:02 | Chestal | LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT 1 |
| 21:54:09 | Chestal | should work nonetheless? |
| 21:54:18 | captain_proton | Chestal: that gets you software rendering =| |
| 21:54:22 | captain_proton | but yes, it should |
| 21:54:35 | Chestal | I know, Bill coudl try that |
| 21:54:56 | Bill` | where do I put that? or is it a shell $var? |
| 21:54:58 | captain_proton | after playing on a gf2, software rendering is exceptionally painful |
| 21:54:59 | Chestal | I need tea |
| 21:55:03 | Chestal | bill: env var |
| 21:55:05 | captain_proton | Bill`: its a build define |
| 21:55:09 | captain_proton | oh it is? |
| 21:55:16 | Chestal | yep |
| 21:55:49 | Bill` | k, I'll try that |
| 21:55:54 | captain_proton | heya crs23 |
| 21:56:01 | crs23 | hey captain |
| 21:56:09 | vogon_jeltz | hey, chris. |
| 21:56:20 | crs23 | hey colin |
| 21:56:33 | crs23 | was the irc server down yesterday? i couldn't connect. |
| 21:56:34 | vogon_jeltz | I'm still trying to figure out wtf is wrong with the XMoveWindow code. |
| 21:56:38 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: not sure. |
| 21:56:48 | Bill` | hmmm... still segfaults |
| 21:56:55 | crs23 | ugh. you're sure the display and window are okay? |
| 21:56:59 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: yeah. |
| 21:57:16 | crs23 | that's damn strange |
| 21:57:41 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: I've gotten it down to the "X connection to :0.0 broken" message and the fact that only the graphics move. Possibly something to do with a bug in SDL. :/ |
| 21:57:42 | crs23 | do you have multiple threads? something in SDL maybe? |
| 21:57:45 | vogon_jeltz | *shrug* |
| 21:57:53 | vogon_jeltz | no threading, haven't checked about SDL. |
| 21:58:01 | crs23 | X is not thread safe |
| 21:58:52 | captain_proton | SDL threads make life happy |
| 21:59:10 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 21:59:27 | crs23 | but until colin locks the XDisplay* before XMoveWindow(), SDL could interfere |
| 21:59:35 | Chestal | hi crs |
| 21:59:36 | crs23 | er, s/until/unless/ |
| 21:59:38 | captain_proton | true |
| 21:59:39 | crs23 | hey Chestal |
| 21:59:44 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: hmm. |
| 21:59:45 | Chestal | hmm, maybe I should co e5 tree at home, too |
| 21:59:53 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: how do I lock the display, precisely? |
| 22:00:25 | crs23 | well, that'd be SDL specific cos it's the other guy trying to use the Display* |
| 22:00:32 | vogon_jeltz | yeah. |
| 22:00:37 | captain_proton | semaphoria :) |
| 22:00:42 | | rcam was last seen on #bzflag 2 days, 1 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed Apr 17 22:59:21 2002] |
| 22:00:42 | crs23 | ibot, seen rcam |
| 22:01:07 | captain_proton | oh! crs23: for one of the assignments in a class, we have to write a simple game using asm for I/O |
| 22:01:09 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I doubt that I want to wrap every GL call in the whole program with a critical section. |
| 22:01:14 | Chestal | is still confused about the CLIENTQUERY behaviour |
| 22:01:25 | captain_proton | crs23: we had to turn in an advertisement: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/Advertisment |
| 22:01:32 | captain_proton | you may want to look at http://rcam.ws first |
| 22:01:37 | captain_proton | haha vogon_jeltz |
| 22:01:40 | crs23 | saw rcam yesterday (or maybe 2 days ago) playing and telling gerbil that he's doing the commercial bzflag release |
| 22:01:52 | captain_proton | crs23: before or after i burned the bridge? |
| 22:02:03 | crs23 | after |
| 22:02:07 | captain_proton | geez |
| 22:02:12 | vogon_jeltz | I'm talking about this with the gurus on #sdl. |
| 22:02:23 | crs23 | yeah, gerbil was buying it too. :-( |
| 22:02:27 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 22:02:29 | captain_proton | i'll email him |
| 22:02:34 | captain_proton | (gerbil, that is) |
| 22:04:05 | Chestal | hmmph, loks liek ducati will be down over the weekend :-( |
| 22:04:09 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. |
| 22:04:19 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't appear to be anyone on #sdl who can help me. :P |
| 22:04:49 | vogon_jeltz | I'm in uncharted territory. whee! |
| 22:04:50 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: email latinga |
| 22:05:01 | vogon_jeltz | hmm, good idea. |
| 22:06:00 | captain_proton | is very excited |
| 22:06:31 | captain_proton | over the summer (and following), the university is going to pay me to be a BOFH |
| 22:06:41 | vogon_jeltz | sw00t. |
| 22:06:49 | captain_proton | and at the same time i'll have a lot of dead time |
| 22:06:58 | captain_proton | so i'll get some m4d bzflag hax0ring done |
| 22:07:00 | vogon_jeltz | cap, crs: you want the code snippet in a pastable format so that you can see the effects? |
| 22:07:03 | crs23 | captain_proton, nice advertisement. :) |
| 22:07:15 | captain_proton | like the screenshot? |
| 22:07:52 | crs23 | heh |
| 22:09:35 | crs23 | doing graphics in assembly. that brings back memories. *shudder* |
| 22:10:09 | captain_proton | crs23: well, we're supposed to do it with BGI |
| 22:10:17 | captain_proton | i'm gonna follow scanline's example and use mode 13h |
| 22:10:39 | vogon_jeltz | OK, I believe I've gotten rid of the "this should never happen" code and all extraneous comments. |
| 22:10:40 | crs23 | the borland graphics interface? i almost forgot about that. iirc it was damn slow. |
| 22:10:49 | vogon_jeltz | I should probably up this to icculus.org again. |
| 22:11:06 | captain_proton | crs23: uhhuh |
| 22:11:09 | scanline | captain_proton: Actually, our whole program was in C except for the shaft encoder and video initialization/shutdown |
| 22:11:21 | captain_proton | scanline: we're thinking of making Mr Wiggly multiplayer over serial |
| 22:11:27 | scanline | captain_proton: hahaha |
| 22:11:32 | scanline | that would rock |
| 22:11:37 | crs23 | very cool! |
| 22:12:42 | captain_proton | just watched the ECE department whoring itself out to a prospective student |
| 22:12:59 | scanline | heh |
| 22:13:03 | scanline | any fun? |
| 22:13:08 | captain_proton | not really |
| 22:13:19 | captain_proton | i don't care if this kid has a full ride from winning the science fair |
| 22:13:20 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. |
| 22:13:25 | vogon_jeltz | very interesting. |
| 22:13:26 | captain_proton | nobody deserves to skip classes |
| 22:13:36 | vogon_jeltz | the X connection... message is gone. |
| 22:13:40 | crs23 | we did a multiplayer game on commodore PET computers via the daisychained, shared floppy drive. a tron-like thing, i believe it was. that was, oh, '83 i think |
| 22:13:48 | crs23 | vogon_jeltz, that sounds like good news |
| 22:13:52 | captain_proton | crs23: this is basically gonna be tron |
| 22:14:01 | vogon_jeltz | crs23: I'm wondering what the fuck I did to get rid of it. |
| 22:14:21 | crs23 | vogon_jeltz: ha! |
| 22:15:56 | captain_proton | hugs his box of pop tarts |
| 22:16:02 | vogon_jeltz | hah. |
| 22:16:34 | vogon_jeltz | I need someone to test the joystick code. :/ |
| 22:16:46 | captain_proton | mr wiggly will have the simplest netcode ever |
| 22:20:11 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you've seen glTron and armagetron [sp?]? |
| 22:20:20 | captain_proton | BZFlag: sure |
| 22:20:31 | captain_proton | BZFlag: not so much fun as a single line of pixels across a 2d playing field |
| 22:20:33 | BZFlag | that's what you can aspire too. ;-) |
| 22:21:08 | almo | hi |
| 22:22:58 | iLL_BZFlag | you cap whats your password to your ctf field? |
| 22:23:20 | captain_proton | iLL_BZFlag: gotta ask Chestal - i'm not giving it out because its his |
| 22:24:04 | BZFlag | good policy |
| 22:26:24 | BZFlag | is depressed that he has never seen http://www.rcam.ws/ |
| 22:27:33 | vogon_jeltz | I wonder if I have to make other calls to keep the window decorations from running away from the graphics. |
| 22:28:11 | crs23 | you shouldn't. the window manager should detect the movement (by getting an event) and do the right thing. |
| 22:28:54 | vogon_jeltz | I wish someone would sanity-check me. |
| 22:29:05 | vogon_jeltz | builds patches. |
| 22:30:00 | crs23 | it's not a good time for me to apply patches. i'm not sure when i'll be ready either. sorry. |
| 22:30:08 | vogon_jeltz | feh, it's OK. |
| 22:30:54 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: I checked. you're insane. |
| 22:30:59 | vogon_jeltz | heheh. |
| 22:31:18 | crs23 | aw, heck, i could'a done that |
| 22:37:17 | BZFlag | crs23: opportunity lost. ;-) |
| 22:38:51 | Chestal | I guess it's time for another debian update |
| 22:39:25 | captain_proton | dum de dum |
| 22:40:57 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:41:10 | captain_proton | i just realized i have source for 10 versions of nvidia drivers |
| 22:41:54 | captain_proton | hugs X 4.2 |
| 22:42:18 | Chestal | another 60MB download, uhm |
| 22:48:50 | BZFlag | has a debian mirror at work. "apt-get dist-upgrade" never looked so good. |
| 22:49:12 | captain_proton | you debian whores tire me out |
| 22:49:33 | Chestal | I'm upgradinv over DSL, takes about 10 minutes of downloading each time |
| 22:51:25 | scanline | is away: pseudo-i-think-its-food |
| 22:51:27 | Chestal | uh, new X |
| 22:59:17 | vogon_jeltz | rebuilds BZFlag-SDL against the latest 1.8 CVS |
| 23:10:45 | BZFlag | anyone headed to OLS? http://www.linuxsymposium.org/ |
| 23:10:55 | BZFlag | I'm planning on going. |
| 23:11:07 | captain_proton | where is it ? |
| 23:16:32 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:16:40 | captain_proton | well, seeing as its not in the same city as me, no |
| 23:18:59 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: it's on rcam! |
| 23:19:09 | captain_proton | oooo |
| 23:20:00 | captain_proton | where is that guy anyways... |
| 23:20:40 | Chestal | which country is .ws btw.? |
| 23:20:55 | almogaver | ws = Samoa |
| 23:21:03 | captain_proton | (cheap domain) |
| 23:21:06 | almogaver | if you have xchat, try /country (code) |
| 23:21:25 | captain_proton | ooo nifty |
| 23:21:26 | almogaver | captain_proton: .ar (Argentina) is cheapest: is free ;) |
| 23:21:40 | Chestal | ther web sevrer is only working any other day |
| 23:21:46 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:23:12 | Chestal | proton: so, will their be meq<->loops this weekend? |
| 23:23:18 | Chestal | there, even |
| 23:23:49 | captain_proton | Chestal: yeah |
| 23:24:00 | captain_proton | Chestal: 10 pm EST |
| 23:24:07 | Chestal | captain_proton: Sunday? |
| 23:24:07 | captain_proton | tomorrow |
| 23:24:19 | Chestal | your tomorrow or mine? :-) |
| 23:24:28 | captain_proton | i guess that'll be early morning (1 or 2?) sunday for you |
| 23:24:41 | Chestal | 10pm, uh, that's late |
| 23:24:47 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:24:49 | Chestal | 4 in the morning here |
| 23:24:53 | captain_proton | only time when everybody is available |
| 23:25:04 | captain_proton | you're GMT + 1 ? |
| 23:25:17 | Chestal | yes, currently that#s UTC+2 |
| 23:25:44 | Chestal | you're playing on bhaskara I assume? |
| 23:25:57 | captain_proton | yep |
| 23:26:03 | captain_proton | all US so it makes sense to use a US server |
| 23:26:12 | captain_proton | oh, btw |
| 23:26:29 | captain_proton | can you email me the latest code? (with the death-on-restart) |
| 23:26:43 | Chestal | uhm |
| 23:27:00 | Chestal | I guess I have no current cource code available |
| 23:27:09 | captain_proton | destroyed your e3 tree ? |
| 23:27:10 | Chestal | mien was destroyed by cvs up :-| |
| 23:27:17 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:27:31 | Chestal | but you migh tbe able to apply the /coundown patch on sf |
| 23:27:38 | Chestal | it's diffed against e5 though |
| 23:27:53 | captain_proton | i could run an e5 server for it |
| 23:28:06 | Chestal | I don't think if this will work |
| 23:28:21 | Chestal | at least the e5/e4 udp problem is still there? |
| 23:28:25 | captain_proton | eww |
| 23:28:26 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 23:28:37 | captain_proton | i'll take a look at /countdown and manually make the changes |
| 23:29:33 | BZFlag | Chestal: yes. everyone would need e5+ clients to get udp |
| 23:29:52 | Chestal | earlier this day, pinguin+bomber had problems with e4 on LAN |
| 23:29:56 | Chestal | so I advised him to get e5 |
| 23:30:30 | Chestal | he had strange problems with e5 server e5 client linux+e4 client windows, the linux client froze when killing or something |
| 23:30:38 | Chestal | after upgrading everythign to e5 it seemed to work |
| 23:31:18 | BZFlag | all e5 should be fine. e5 clients should work on any server. |
| 23:31:35 | BZFlag | e5 servers need e5 clients to be truly happy. |
| 23:32:06 | Chestal | when we release e6, we shoudl try to provide as many binaries as posible quickly |
| 23:32:20 | Chestal | at least win, .deb and a .rpm |
| 23:33:18 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: fix the ID problem you were having? |
| 23:33:38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: the crash ? |
| 23:33:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:42:21) |
| 23:33:53 | Chestal | I still need to test the new ban code |
| 23:34:04 | captain_proton | scanline: hows food? |
| 23:34:06 | Chestal | and the new ctf code |
| 23:34:10 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: something about the hud not drawing right or something |
| 23:34:18 | captain_proton | ohh the alert? |
| 23:34:22 | captain_proton | haven't looked at it |
| 23:34:35 | captain_proton | all i know is in current cvs when you right click/lock on/etc, it doesn't set the alert in the HUD |
| 23:34:39 | scanline | notes that libby has spaghetti today |
| 23:34:39 | Chestal | cream: does the new ban code have temp or pern bams or both? |
| 23:34:57 | scanline | might accidentally infect this channel with the /me virus... |
| 23:35:03 | MrApathyCream | chestal; just perm bans at present |
| 23:35:13 | MrApathyCream | /ban 32.34.43.54 |
| 23:35:15 | Chestal | is immune against that virus |
| 23:35:17 | Chestal | hmm |
| 23:35:18 | MrApathyCream | or |
| 23:35:22 | MrApathyCream | /ban 24.15.65.* |
| 23:35:24 | Chestal | I'm a bit skeptical about perm bans |
| 23:35:39 | Chestal | IMHO temp bans are quite useful |
| 23:35:45 | captain_proton | yes they are |
| 23:35:52 | Chestal | I fear that people will use erm bans too often |
| 23:35:52 | captain_proton | sometimes people just need to cool off |
| 23:36:06 | MrApathyCream | does ctf balancing balance 3 way? or always just 4 way |
| 23:36:10 | Chestal | and thus they block innocent players |
| 23:36:39 | MrApathyCream | ahhh, good ridance |
| 23:36:46 | MrApathyCream | plenty of other servers |
| 23:36:48 | captain_proton | haha MrApathyCream |
| 23:36:49 | Chestal | e.g. take perfect cell, AFAIK no way to block him by ip |
| 23:37:23 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: the random ctf I did would do 3 way, but the map would have one side without a base |
| 23:37:44 | BZFlag | so the team in the middle side is different that the other two. |
| 23:37:49 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: nifty |
| 23:37:52 | Chestal | BZFlag: haven't tested your new ctf code. I assume when using 3 or 4 teams, the perfect symmetry is lost? |
| 23:37:54 | BZFlag | 2 team and 4 team maps should be even. |
| 23:38:14 | BZFlag | Chestal: 2 team is 2 way sym. 4 team is 4 way sym. |
| 23:38:21 | Chestal | BZFlag: ah |
| 23:38:24 | BZFlag | 3 team is also 4 way sym. |
| 23:38:37 | BZFlag | except for the missing base. |
| 23:38:38 | Chestal | and 1 team? ;-) |
| 23:38:45 | captain_proton | hah |
| 23:38:48 | BZFlag | 2 way sym. ;-) |
| 23:39:09 | BZFlag | though 1 team 2 way sym is not very useful, now is it? |
| 23:39:19 | Chestal | not really |
| 23:39:34 | Chestal | there could be rogues, but still no flag capturing |
| 23:39:35 | almogaver | Chestal: 1 team is not a bad idea, but not for CTF |
| 23:39:43 | almogaver | Chestal: 1 team versus rogues |
| 23:39:55 | almogaver | Chestal: the team must have positive score to win |
| 23:40:36 | Chestal | btw., I read, that genocide kills even dead players? can someone acknowledge this? |
| 23:41:21 | BZFlag | have not tried that. post a SF bug if that's the case. |
| 23:41:32 | Chestal | read it on ezboard I guess |
| 23:41:41 | Chestal | also, peopel were voting for removign the pause feature |
| 23:41:50 | Chestal | it seems to be abused a lot |
| 23:42:37 | MrApathyCream | i vote for removing it... it's worthless... pause when your dead |
| 23:42:45 | almogaver | i agree MrApathyCream |
| 23:44:16 | BZFlag | no. pause stays. that's why the delay is there before pausing. |
| 23:44:28 | captain_proton | perhaps the delay should be even a little bit longer |
| 23:44:33 | BZFlag | but the server might want to enforce the delay. |
| 23:44:51 | Chestal | yes, the server must at list know about pasuing |
| 23:45:05 | BZFlag | ie: the client says: "I'm planning to pause" ... then the server allows the pause after the admin choosen delay time. |
| 23:45:19 | Chestal | and sevrer shoudl kill / kick players who pause too long |
| 23:45:32 | BZFlag | perhaps. |
| 23:45:41 | Chestal | although I tend to remove it altogether, I see little value to it |
| 23:46:07 | Chestal | paused tanks can be irritating |
| 23:46:21 | Chestal | because you never know when they come back to life |
| 23:47:02 | Chestal | I had some peopel getting in a close fight with me just pausing and hopign that I will drive somewhere else |
| 23:47:19 | Chestal | but I just stay if possible and shoot at them, so they will die on unpausing :-) |
| 23:47:22 | MrApathyCream | yes, if pause blinked in, it would be alittle better |
| 23:47:45 | MrApathyCream | still, i don't get the reason for using it (other than 'cheating') |
| 23:48:20 | Chestal | I use it sometime when I get a phone call or something, but I could live with just doign nothign and possibly getting killed |
| 23:48:32 | BZFlag | the sole purpose it to avoid a kill when you have to step away for a little while. |
| 23:48:42 | BZFlag | ie: phone rings or other interrupt. |
| 23:48:44 | Chestal | when I used to play on jump/flag servers there were some peopel pausign with gm on top of a buling very often |
| 23:49:06 | Chestal | BZFlag: yes, but one kill more or less is not going to hurt |
| 23:49:09 | captain_proton | how about this: |
| 23:49:21 | captain_proton | you pause, but you lose your flag |
| 23:49:29 | BZFlag | I like it when GM pauses. I can get up on the buildig behind them. ;-) |
| 23:49:33 | MrApathyCream | humourous to see tanks hanging in mid air, too |
| 23:49:44 | BZFlag | you currently loose a team flag when you pause. |
| 23:49:53 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:49:57 | captain_proton | i think it should be true for any flag |
| 23:50:06 | Chestal | not for bad flags of course |
| 23:50:10 | captain_proton | set the state automatically for flying |
| 23:50:12 | captain_proton | Chestal: right |
| 23:50:34 | Chestal | I guess any changes to pausing go into 1.8 only |
| 23:51:12 | BZFlag | well. perhaps it's just a die that does not count on points then? resume is the same as returning after a kill. |
| 23:51:30 | Chestal | no |
| 23:51:38 | BZFlag | so paused tanks get removed from the display. |
| 23:51:42 | BZFlag | no? |
| 23:51:44 | Chestal | that won't work, peopel will then just commit pause suicide to not lose a point |
| 23:52:02 | BZFlag | still has a lag before the pause happens. |
| 23:52:18 | BZFlag | probably should send the message globally: |
| 23:52:23 | Chestal | yes, but I suspect some peopel have removed this lag (cheating) |
| 23:52:26 | Chestal | it's hard to tell |
| 23:52:44 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream is about to pause. Kill him while you can. |
| 23:52:59 | captain_proton | that sounds good :) |
| 23:53:03 | MrApathyCream | never. |
| 23:53:15 | MrApathyCream | death doesn't bother me... it happens alot :) |
| 23:53:16 | vogon_jeltz | yes. |
| 23:53:16 | Chestal | or what about: captain proton is about to pause, he's a fscking coward :) |
| 23:53:19 | vogon_jeltz | now. |
| 23:53:19 | MrApathyCream | I DONT PAUSE |
| 23:54:07 | BZFlag | Chestal: heh, that sounds about right. "Gerbil is about to pause. Kill the coward" |
| 23:54:48 | MrApathyCream | Maybe your tank turns obese before you pause :) |
| 23:55:05 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: relax, I just used your nick as an example. |
| 23:55:18 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:55:19 | BZFlag | heh, obese and momentum and blind. |
| 23:56:17 | Chestal | for each pause, some momentum will be added to the tank permanently |
| 23:56:36 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:56:42 | Chestal | I played with using -a option once, it was horrible :-) |
| 23:56:49 | captain_proton | -a ? |
| 23:56:58 | MrApathyCream | Or perhaps, audio "I'm a lame-o, I'm a lame-o" |
| 23:57:14 | Chestal | captain: yes, to set maximum acceleration levels, just liek momentum flag |
| 23:58:56 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:59:08 | captain_proton | is almost done integrating /countdown |