| 00:36:24 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 17 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: It's dead, Jim. [Sun Apr 28 23:18:27 2002] |
| 00:36:24 | tad | ibot seen chestal |
| 00:36:36 | tad | ibotseen bzflag |
| 00:36:43 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 1 hours, 46 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: open to suggestions. ;-) [Sat Apr 27 23:50:05 2002] |
| 00:36:43 | tad | ibot seen bzflag |
| 00:37:00 | | RCAM was last seen on #bzflag 11 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed Apr 17 22:59:21 2002] |
| 00:37:00 | tad | ibot seen RCAM |
| 01:00:01 | almogaver | hi |
| 01:00:09 | arathorn | heya |
| 01:00:20 | almogaver | i played with the last 1.7e5 from CVS tonight |
| 01:00:27 | almogaver | there is some bugs |
| 01:00:59 | almogaver | does someone want to ear them? |
| 01:11:24 | onthemark | hey all |
| 02:18:23 | firegod | EddieNull: let me know when there's something you want me to test (: I'll go back to pretending there isnt a port, for now (; |
| 02:56:07 | Withpaperwings | how much bandwith (per person) does a bzflag server require in comparison to a q2 or q3 server? |
| 02:57:02 | firegod | similar, or less. |
| 06:03:08 | | I believe he's on a date |
| 06:03:08 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen_vogon_jeltz? |
| 06:03:13 | HEMI | It won't be easy to replace the Human Cannonball. It will be hard to find a man of his caliber. |
| 06:03:14 | MrApathyCream | emm |
| 06:03:33 | vogon_jeltz | hah. |
| 06:03:41 | | vogon_jeltz: I forgot seen_vogon_jeltz |
| 06:03:41 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, forget seen_vogon_jeltz |
| 06:05:05 | | vogon_jeltz was last seen on #bzflag 1 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: ibot, forget seen_vogon_jeltz [Mon Apr 29 07:03:41 2002] |
| 06:05:05 | captain_proton | ibot, seen vogon_jeltz? |
| 06:05:08 | captain_proton | blah |
| 06:05:10 | captain_proton | thats no fun |
| 06:05:30 | vogon_jeltz | heh. |
| 06:05:45 | | OK, vogon_jeltz. |
| 06:05:45 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, \seen vogon_jeltz is <reply> I believe he's on a date |
| 06:05:53 | | vogon_jeltz was last seen on #bzflag 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot, seen vogon_jeltz [Mon Apr 29 07:05:53 2002] |
| 06:05:53 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, seen vogon_jeltz |
| 06:05:59 | vogon_jeltz | gah. |
| 06:06:13 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 06:06:25 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 06:06:25 | captain_proton | ibot, seen\ vogon_jeltz is <reply> I believe he's on a date |
| 06:06:30 | | vogon_jeltz was last seen on #bzflag 31 seconds ago, saying: gah. [Mon Apr 29 07:05:59 2002] |
| 06:06:30 | captain_proton | ibot, seen vogon_jeltz? |
| 06:06:33 | captain_proton | blah |
| 06:06:44 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:06:47 | captain_proton | ponders |
| 06:06:54 | | OK, captain_proton. |
| 06:06:54 | captain_proton | ibot, seen_vogon_jeltz is <reply> I believe he's on a date |
| 06:06:57 | | vogon_jeltz was last seen on #bzflag 58 seconds ago, saying: gah. [Mon Apr 29 07:05:59 2002] |
| 06:06:57 | captain_proton | ibot, seen vogon_jeltz? |
| 06:06:59 | captain_proton | grr |
| 06:07:05 | captain_proton | how did they do it? |
| 06:07:16 | | I believe he's on a date |
| 06:07:16 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, seen_vogon_jeltz |
| 06:08:10 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: yesterday it worked with a space |
| 06:08:55 | vogon_jeltz | I am ever-so-slightly closer to having the perfect browser. |
| 06:09:04 | captain_proton | how so? |
| 06:09:15 | vogon_jeltz | almost all of the interface elements are anti-aliased. |
| 06:09:22 | captain_proton | nice |
| 06:09:26 | vogon_jeltz | very. |
| 06:10:12 | vogon_jeltz | hah. I found a bug in Mozilla 1.0RC1. |
| 06:10:18 | captain_proton | ? |
| 06:10:38 | vogon_jeltz | go to www.mozdev.org and frob the mouse-wheel font size adjustment a few dozen times. |
| 06:10:46 | vogon_jeltz | the middle column gets narrower and narrower. |
| 06:17:20 | MrApathyCream | just rebuild the kernel...-> should fix |
| 06:17:41 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: kernel recompile is not a global fix |
| 06:17:59 | captain_proton | linux is not like macOS - in macOS, the fix-it-all trick is to flash the PROM |
| 06:18:44 | MrApathyCream | as often as you guys do it... it should be! |
| 06:19:22 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i compile a new kernel every 3 months or so - thats not often |
| 06:20:03 | vogon_jeltz | I've been using this one for, like, 6. |
| 06:25:35 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:47:36 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ And that's why me and KG are classically trained / to rock your fuckin' socks off! o/~ |
| 06:47:56 | vogon_jeltz | Tenacious D still rules. |
| 07:06:16 | captain_proton | right-o |
| 07:14:05 | captain_proton | kicks ftp.openal.org |
| 07:15:37 | captain_proton | kicks cvs.lokigames.org too |
| 07:15:44 | captain_proton | looks like openal has gone out of business |
| 07:16:05 | vogon_jeltz | no. |
| 07:16:11 | vogon_jeltz | Creative is supporting OpenAL. |
| 07:16:18 | vogon_jeltz | Loki is dead, though. |
| 07:16:35 | captain_proton | i know |
| 07:16:43 | captain_proton | but you can't seem to -download- it anywhere |
| 07:20:28 | vogon_jeltz | see if david.hedbor.org has a mirror. |
| 07:22:09 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: not even a mention of it |
| 07:25:24 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 07:25:28 | captain_proton | ftp://sunsite.dk/pub/os/linux/loki/open-source/openal/ |
| 07:29:51 | captain_proton | i need to learn raw X programming |
| 07:30:34 | vogon_jeltz | gets stroustrup in 2 days! |
| 07:30:38 | vogon_jeltz | w00t! |
| 07:31:06 | vogon_jeltz | listened to the part of Wonderboy you have so far yet? |
| 07:31:15 | captain_proton | no |
| 07:31:58 | captain_proton | BLAH! |
| 07:32:03 | captain_proton | autoheader: missing template: VORBIS_SUPPORT |
| 07:32:07 | captain_proton | whats up with that? |
| 07:32:13 | vogon_jeltz | ooh, suck! |
| 07:32:45 | MrApathyCream | rebuild the kernel... --> should fix |
| 07:33:26 | captain_proton | hits MrApathyCream with a wifflebat |
| 07:35:09 | MrApathyCream | enjoys the ringing sound eminating from bat |
| 07:35:44 | MrApathyCream | Which Barney Shoestrap book did you get? |
| 07:36:05 | captain_proton | barney shoestrap? |
| 07:36:18 | vogon_jeltz | MrApathyCream: the 3rd edition hardcover of The C++ Programming Language. |
| 07:37:03 | | The father of C plus plus |
| 07:37:03 | MrApathyCream | ibot, Barney Shoestrap? |
| 07:37:30 | MrApathyCream | 'The design and evolution of C++' is also very good |
| 07:41:01 | MrApathyCream | My fav C++ book though, is 'Ruminations in C++', partly because it's got a cow on the cover, and was written by an author named moo, and partly because it's a dang fine book |
| 07:41:27 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:43:43 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: Rnfg Pbnfg Gvzr Purpx, Cyrnfr: |
| 07:44:16 | | East Coast Time Check, Please: |
| 07:44:16 | captain_proton | ibot, rot13 Rnfg Pbnfg Gvzr Purpx, Cyrnfr: |
| 07:44:21 | | east coast time check, please |
| 07:44:21 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, rot13 rnfg pbnfg gvzr purpx, cyrnfr |
| 07:44:24 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: 3:00 PM |
| 07:44:34 | MrApathyCream | ooof , time for bed |
| 07:44:38 | vogon_jeltz | 3:47 AM. |
| 07:44:48 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok, it's still early |
| 07:44:55 | MrApathyCream | PM vs. AM |
| 07:44:59 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:46:06 | captain_proton | teehee |
| 07:47:26 | MrApathyCream | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 07:47:44 | MrApathyCream | awakes to find his nose stuck to the keyboard |
| 07:47:54 | MrApathyCream | goes off to bed |
| 07:48:42 | vogon_jeltz | nn, Apathy. |
| 07:48:54 | captain_proton | nose stuck to the keyboard... |
| 07:48:56 | captain_proton | thats gotta be painful |
| 07:50:39 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? / Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck man? o/~ |
| 07:50:50 | captain_proton | kicks autoconf |
| 07:51:23 | vogon_jeltz | kills captain_proton from 200 yards away... with MIND BULLETS! |
| 07:51:44 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:51:44 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you have the song. |
| 07:52:06 | captain_proton | that i do |
| 07:52:16 | vogon_jeltz | play it, motherbitch. |
| 07:53:07 | captain_proton | listening to other music |
| 07:53:09 | captain_proton | bitch |
| 07:53:15 | vogon_jeltz | pwned! |
| 07:53:40 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:53:45 | captain_proton | i need to get my bzservers back online |
| 07:56:49 | captain_proton | time to strip my proggies again |
| 07:59:42 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: of all my friends my system now holds the boot-time speed record |
| 08:00:02 | vogon_jeltz | sweet. |
| 08:00:12 | captain_proton | 7 seconds from LILO to 'bhaskara login: ' |
| 08:02:49 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ There's no such thing as a rock prodigy / 'Cause rock and roll is bogus, right, KG? (right!) / The only thing that matters is a classical sauce / And that's why me and KG are classically trained to rock your fuckin' socks off! Give 'em a taste, KG! o/~ |
| 08:03:17 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ That is Bach, and it rocks / It's a rock block of Bach / that we learned at the school / called the school of hard knocks... o/~ |
| 08:05:26 | captain_proton | off for a couple minutes of gltron |
| 08:05:42 | vogon_jeltz | cya. |
| 09:03:50 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you've gotta listen to "Tribute" by Tenacious D. |
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| 12:38:21 | Chestal | hi Cream. What's new? |
| 13:05:43 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 13:05:58 | MrApathyCream | nice work on CLIENTQUERY |
| 13:08:43 | Chestal | thanks |
| 13:09:06 | Chestal | have you tried my modified radar? I'm interested in a 3rd opinion |
| 13:09:25 | MrApathyCream | no not yet, I'll try it tonite though |
| 13:09:39 | Chestal | what resolution do you use? |
| 13:11:02 | MrApathyCream | 1152/864 on a 15" monitor |
| 13:11:35 | Chestal | that's a high resolution for 15". CRT, I assume? |
| 13:13:08 | MrApathyCream | i thinks so |
| 13:16:14 | Chestal | btw, who did the new kill messages? |
| 13:16:23 | Chestal | I took a look at them and think that they're problematic |
| 13:18:13 | MrApathyCream | Kill messages were by some new guy |
| 13:18:16 | MrApathyCream | first patch, i think |
| 13:18:45 | MrApathyCream | I had to add a patch for NULL Shot's which were causing a crash because of that code |
| 13:19:14 | Chestal | yes, the inherent problem is that the kill messages depend on the type of the shot that did the killing |
| 13:19:30 | Chestal | but before MsgKill ist received, MsgEndShot will already be |
| 13:19:42 | Chestal | so, the shot is already expired before the messages get printed |
| 13:19:47 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 13:19:53 | Chestal | I think the shot object will still be there in most cases, but it's sheer luck |
| 13:20:02 | MrApathyCream | I think it's a silly patch anyway |
| 13:20:05 | Chestal | all in all, it's a hack |
| 13:20:19 | Chestal | and the way the messages are formatted it's harder to see who is the killer now |
| 13:20:41 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 13:20:53 | Chestal | I don't like that patch. CLean way to do this would be to include the reason for the Kill inside the kill message |
| 13:20:58 | Chestal | that would make sense for 1.8 |
| 13:21:35 | MrApathyCream | Yes, i agree |
| 13:21:49 | Chestal | and steamrolling can't be handled by the current patch, too |
| 13:22:00 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 13:22:31 | MrApathyCream | people also want crunching sounds on steamroll, but flag owner can't hear it currently because of that |
| 13:22:40 | Chestal | ok, at least 3 people don't like it now :-) |
| 13:22:46 | MrApathyCream | 3rd? |
| 13:22:49 | Chestal | lupi |
| 13:22:54 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 13:23:07 | Chestal | lupi wants the killer's name to be at the end of the message |
| 13:23:20 | Chestal | and I guess I agree, I often checekthe messages to see who killed who |
| 13:23:54 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 14:51:08 | scanline | is away: scribbling away about analog electronics |
| 15:17:38 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 15:17:45 | captain_proton | who was that elenn person? |
| 15:19:25 | Chestal | elenn? |
| 15:19:31 | Chestal | ah |
| 15:19:37 | Chestal | the pr0n spam |
| 15:20:18 | Chestal | captain: did you try my radar patch? :-) |
| 15:20:29 | captain_proton | Chestal: no not yet |
| 15:21:02 | Chestal | it was quiet here over the weekend |
| 15:21:53 | Chestal | I suppose you've already seen the forums on the league site? |
| 15:23:06 | captain_proton | nope |
| 15:23:40 | captain_proton | its YELLOW! |
| 15:50:45 | captain_proton | GRR |
| 15:50:53 | captain_proton | i can't stand being the only competant person on a team |
| 15:51:07 | captain_proton | i say that we need to protect our flag |
| 15:51:11 | captain_proton | and a guy just sits there |
| 15:51:20 | captain_proton | while there is nobody around |
| 15:51:31 | captain_proton | then they get killed trying to protect it |
| 15:51:41 | captain_proton | and leave the flag in the middle of the field |
| 15:51:58 | captain_proton | GRR |
| 16:53:08 | Chestal | just played on ducati |
| 16:53:13 | Chestal | wasn't too good either |
| 16:53:23 | Chestal | my performance was not top-notch, and I had to play 2:3 and 3:4 all the time |
| 16:53:32 | Chestal | and 4:4 really is too full |
| 16:54:57 | captain_proton | i almost like 4:4 better than 3:3 - but only if everybody has a fast connection |
| 16:55:45 | Chestal | too much action with 4:4 and everybody playign for me |
| 16:55:54 | Chestal | too many pop-up deaths |
| 16:56:01 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:56:07 | captain_proton | the spawn code really needs to be fixed |
| 16:56:15 | Chestal | that reminds me |
| 16:56:19 | Chestal | I'll try to enhance it a little |
| 16:56:27 | Chestal | but it will still suck with CTF, just not enough space |
| 16:56:35 | captain_proton | true |
| 16:56:46 | captain_proton | but it could be smarter about which way people are facing |
| 16:57:04 | Chestal | well, it is smart |
| 16:57:19 | captain_proton | sort of |
| 16:57:20 | Chestal | I think problem is that with CTF it will not find a position which is acceptable quite often |
| 16:57:27 | Chestal | then it just takes the last one I guess |
| 16:57:45 | Chestal | would be better if it would choose the best from the bad ones instead |
| 16:57:54 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:58:07 | captain_proton | wouldn't be too difficult either |
| 16:58:32 | captain_proton | however |
| 16:58:40 | captain_proton | i'm sure the heuristic could be improved |
| 16:58:52 | Chestal | one problem are ricos |
| 16:58:58 | Chestal | they are not taken into account I guess? |
| 17:01:04 | Chestal | ok, it checks for shots first |
| 17:02:06 | Chestal | if a shot is projected to hit the tank within 2s the new position is considered bad |
| 17:02:39 | Chestal | then it checks distance against all enemy tanks, taking tank orientation into account |
| 17:02:44 | Chestal | shot test ignores rico, oh well |
| 17:02:58 | Chestal | it uses a minsafedistande which changes with each trie (gets smaller) |
| 17:03:40 | Chestal | I guess we could use distance - minsafedistance minimum as a metric |
| 17:04:25 | Chestal | it could stil put you in fron of a friendly tank, which might be dangerous, too |
| 17:24:54 | Chestal | hacks something |
| 17:32:05 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 7 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: hacks something [Mon Apr 29 18:24:54 2002] |
| 17:32:05 | tad | ibot seen chestal |
| 17:32:36 | Chestal | hi tad |
| 17:32:43 | tad | hey |
| 17:34:04 | tad | how is bzflag doing? |
| 17:34:17 | captain_proton | ok i guess |
| 17:34:22 | tad | lol |
| 17:34:34 | tad | when is 1.7e6 coming out? |
| 17:34:40 | tad | or e7 |
| 17:34:46 | tad | ;) |
| 17:34:51 | captain_proton | e7 will probably never exist |
| 17:34:57 | captain_proton | e6 will come out whenever its ready |
| 17:35:15 | tad | ha! |
| 17:35:24 | tad | hmmm |
| 17:35:44 | tad | WARNING: This product warps space and time in its vicinity. |
| 17:36:55 | | RCAM was last seen on #bzflag 11 days, 19 hours, 37 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed Apr 17 22:59:21 2002] |
| 17:36:55 | tad | ibot seen RCAM |
| 17:37:04 | | BZFLAG was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 18 hours, 46 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: open to suggestions. ;-) [Sat Apr 27 23:50:05 2002] |
| 17:37:04 | tad | ibot seen BZFLAG |
| 17:37:22 | | Mrapathycream was last seen on #bzflag 4 hours, 13 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: yes [Mon Apr 29 14:23:54 2002] |
| 17:37:22 | tad | ibot seen Mrapathycream |
| 17:37:26 | Chestal | hacked a new respawn function, I hope it rules |
| 17:37:33 | tad | whats new about it? |
| 17:37:58 | tad | has a warning: ADVISORY: There is an extremely small but nonzero chance that, through a |
| 17:37:58 | tad | process known as "tunneling," this product may spontaneously disappear from |
| 17:37:58 | tad | its present location and reappear at any random place in the universe, |
| 17:37:58 | tad | including your neighbor's domicile. The manufacturer will not be responsible |
| 17:37:58 | tad | for any damages or inconveniences that may result. |
| 17:38:17 | Chestal | tad: well, it's uses a different logic |
| 17:38:35 | tad | it puts tanks in smart places? |
| 17:38:39 | Chestal | tad: when it doesn't find a spot which is considered safe, it used the best of the bad spots it tried |
| 17:38:45 | tad | oh |
| 17:38:52 | tad | can you set a place to respawn? |
| 17:38:57 | tad | like a home base? |
| 17:39:01 | Chestal | the old function just gave up and used a random spot then |
| 17:39:06 | tad | cool |
| 17:39:13 | tad | whats a bad/good spot? |
| 17:39:25 | Chestal | bad = a shot will hit you in < 2s |
| 17:39:33 | Chestal | bad = too close to enemy tank |
| 17:39:58 | tad | cool |
| 17:40:10 | tad | that would be very nice |
| 17:40:17 | tad | READ THIS BEFORE OPENING PACKAGE: according to certain suggested versions of the Grand Unified Theory, the primary particles constituting this product may decay to nothingness within the next four hundred million years. |
| 18:01:29 | Chestal | I guess it works ok |
| 18:01:44 | tad | are ytou going to put it into e6? |
| 18:02:13 | Chestal | I'm only commiting small changes and fixed to 1.7 CVS |
| 18:02:20 | tad | ah |
| 18:02:28 | Chestal | other things will go on sf as a patch so they can be reviewed |
| 18:02:40 | tad | who compiles the windows version anyway? |
| 18:02:44 | Chestal | if people (Tim beign the most important) agree that it's good, it goes into CVS |
| 18:02:52 | tad | cool |
| 18:02:53 | Chestal | don't know, anyone who wants |
| 18:02:57 | tad | yea |
| 18:03:06 | tad | but who puts the compiled version up on SF |
| 18:03:20 | Chestal | don't know |
| 18:03:26 | Chestal | maybe MrApathyCream |
| 18:03:31 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:04:04 | Chestal | tad: are you on windows? |
| 18:04:37 | tad | yup |
| 18:04:39 | tad | ;) |
| 18:04:44 | tad | my linux is dead |
| 18:04:47 | tad | :( |
| 18:04:57 | tad | I think its just the monitor though |
| 18:20:36 | tad | su is i6 neerly dune-a noo? und zeere-a veell be-a a veendoos ferseeun? |
| 18:20:56 | tad | er |
| 18:20:57 | tad | so is e6 neawwy done now? and thewe wiww be a windows vewsion? |
| 18:21:42 | captain_proton | e6 will come out when its good and ready |
| 18:21:48 | tad | ;) |
| 18:23:31 | tad | fine, how is RCAM doin' in 1.8? |
| 18:23:34 | tad | ;) |
| 18:24:30 | | rcam was last seen on #bzflag 11 days, 20 hours, 25 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: is away: I'm busy [Wed Apr 17 22:59:21 2002] |
| 18:24:30 | captain_proton | ibot, seen rcam? |
| 18:25:08 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:25:58 | Chestal | I would like to release e6 real soon now |
| 18:26:11 | tad | :) |
| 18:26:13 | Chestal | soon being 1-2 weeks. That requires that some important people have enough time, though |
| 18:26:25 | Chestal | proton: got a respawn patch on sf |
| 18:26:32 | captain_proton | Chestal: i see that |
| 18:26:40 | Chestal | proton: durign my tests it seemd to work ok |
| 18:26:59 | captain_proton | coo' |
| 18:27:05 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:27:08 | Chestal | well, it wasn't much testing |
| 18:27:17 | tad | to bad I cant compile here |
| 18:27:32 | tad | know of a free compiler for windows that will work with BZFLAG? |
| 18:28:04 | Chestal | it should be possible to make cygwin work, it would need some fiddling, though |
| 18:28:10 | Chestal | out of the box there is no way now |
| 18:28:17 | tad | hmmmm |
| 18:28:25 | tad | I tryed cygwin |
| 18:29:26 | Chestal | I don't know much about the different compilers on Windows |
| 18:29:48 | tad | yea |
| 18:29:56 | tad | but VC++ works? |
| 18:30:19 | captain_proton | it had better |
| 18:30:26 | tad | lol |
| 18:30:52 | Chestal | someone must update the docs :-) |
| 18:30:57 | Chestal | server commands are missing |
| 18:31:00 | tad | lol |
| 18:31:07 | Chestal | multicasting could be eliminated from it |
| 18:31:10 | tad | like what commands? |
| 18:31:31 | Chestal | and some config file only options should be documented liek the radar colours |
| 18:31:40 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:31:42 | Chestal | tad: /lagstats, /kick etc. |
| 18:32:06 | Chestal | as 1.7 will probably be the final 1.7 release, it must be perfect :-) |
| 18:32:13 | tad | lol |
| 18:32:38 | tad | /kick does not work on many servers... |
| 18:32:43 | tad | is it a new update? |
| 18:32:45 | tad | CVS? |
| 18:32:55 | tad | or comes with e4? |
| 18:32:55 | captain_proton | tad: /kick only works if you've given it the admin password |
| 18:33:08 | tad | the coorect password? |
| 18:33:10 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:33:12 | captain_proton | yes |
| 18:33:20 | Chestal | kick should be in e4, I lost scope. At soem point, the syntax was changed |
| 18:33:35 | tad | and all servers online have it running? |
| 18:33:46 | tad | or just e4 servers? |
| 18:34:28 | Chestal | admins need to use the -passwd option |
| 18:34:37 | tad | coiol |
| 18:34:39 | tad | cool |
| 18:34:44 | tad | I will try that right now |
| 18:34:48 | tad | by kicking my self off |
| 18:34:52 | tad | ;) |
| 18:35:35 | Chestal | hates vi |
| 18:35:43 | tad | lol |
| 18:36:19 | captain_proton | Chestal: why? |
| 18:36:45 | tad | hmmmm |
| 18:37:02 | tad | bzflag dont wanna start up |
| 18:38:01 | tad | hmmmm |
| 18:38:20 | tad | hmmmm! |
| 18:38:34 | Chestal | captain: because I don't use it, but sometimes I have to, and then the strangest things happen when I hit some keys |
| 18:38:51 | captain_proton | Chestal: what do you use? emacs? |
| 18:38:59 | Chestal | captain_proton: noe, joe or fte |
| 18:39:07 | captain_proton | oh ok |
| 18:39:08 | Chestal | ehm, noe=no |
| 18:39:14 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:39:24 | tad | the resolution change thing dont work |
| 18:39:27 | captain_proton | for a second i thought i might have to shoot you |
| 18:39:50 | Chestal | you're a vi fanatic? |
| 18:39:58 | tad | lol |
| 18:40:29 | captain_proton | Chestal: ya |
| 18:41:32 | Chestal | usign tcsh in vi mode? |
| 18:41:43 | captain_proton | no |
| 18:41:51 | captain_proton | no tcsh at all - i use bash, but not in vi mode |
| 18:41:56 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:42:00 | Chestal | bash sucks |
| 18:42:01 | tad | how do you kick? |
| 18:42:10 | Chestal | tad: depends on your server version |
| 18:42:14 | tad | e5 |
| 18:42:18 | tad | server |
| 18:42:21 | captain_proton | Chestal: why? because you don't need a 3 mb .complete file? |
| 18:42:40 | tad | /kick password user? |
| 18:42:47 | Chestal | captain: because it behaves silly sometimes, and AFAIK cannot be configured how I want it |
| 18:42:52 | captain_proton | tad: first, '/password <password>' |
| 18:42:57 | captain_proton | tad: then '/kick <user>' |
| 18:43:01 | tad | ah! |
| 18:43:02 | tad | ok |
| 18:43:05 | tad | brb |
| 18:43:37 | Chestal | I love my autocorrecting tcsh (sometime I hate it, ok :-) |
| 18:43:48 | tad | HA! |
| 18:43:49 | tad | cool |
| 18:43:54 | Chestal | and the smart completions, are nice too, although you can go too far with it, as SUSE does |
| 18:44:03 | Chestal | SUSE does remote filename completion for scp which sucks |
| 18:44:03 | tad | what other cammands are there? |
| 18:44:22 | tad | commands are there? |
| 18:44:30 | Chestal | a couple, you can reset the flags, etc., don't know the syntax right now |
| 18:44:46 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:45:00 | tad | is there a file anywhere that says it? |
| 18:45:05 | Chestal | wow, very dark clouds and lots of rain outside |
| 18:45:12 | captain_proton | tad: no - thats what Chestal is saying about updating the documentaiton |
| 18:45:17 | tad | ah |
| 18:45:22 | tad | lol |
| 18:45:25 | Chestal | tad: MrAPathyCream put soemthign on his website AFAIR |
| 18:45:46 | tad | maybe you should put a thing like /help |
| 18:45:54 | tad | that would tell all the cammands |
| 18:46:26 | tad | ok |
| 18:46:30 | tad | I see his web site |
| 18:46:42 | tad | lol |
| 18:46:46 | tad | /superkill |
| 18:48:03 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:48:04 | tad | nice |
| 18:51:31 | tad | I will post them on the wiki |
| 18:52:16 | Chestal | they are in a state of flux, at least some of them |
| 18:52:24 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:52:33 | tad | they are cool |
| 18:55:27 | Chestal | some of them might change, but most will not |
| 18:55:48 | tad | yea |
| 18:56:02 | tad | /flag up? |
| 18:56:08 | tad | whats that do? |
| 18:56:25 | tad | it takes all the flags away, but what for? |
| 18:56:37 | Chestal | I'm not exactly sure what it does |
| 18:56:41 | Chestal | but removing flags can be a good idea |
| 18:56:44 | jolly_ | some people don't like flags |
| 18:56:52 | tad | lol |
| 18:56:53 | Chestal | that way, you could dynamicaly decide whether you want to play with or without flags |
| 18:56:57 | Chestal | hi jolly |
| 18:57:03 | tad | they come back in a few seconds though |
| 18:57:04 | jolly_ | hey Ches |
| 18:57:09 | Chestal | tad: did you try? |
| 18:57:21 | tad | yes |
| 18:57:23 | Chestal | hmm |
| 18:57:23 | jolly_ | aww |
| 18:57:31 | tad | but what use is it? |
| 18:57:36 | Chestal | ask Tim |
| 18:57:45 | tad | lol |
| 18:57:47 | | tim was last seen on #opie 12 days, 15 hours, 48 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: bedtime,gn [Wed Apr 17 04:09:31 2002] |
| 18:57:47 | tad | ibot seen tim |
| 18:57:52 | jolly_ | Ches: are you always going to have your regular server with flags? |
| 18:58:07 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:58:11 | Chestal | jolly_: well, right now they can be switched off with /flags no or /flags off |
| 18:58:13 | tad | cant log in to wiki |
| 18:58:18 | tad | oh cool |
| 18:58:24 | jolly_ | oh, nice! |
| 18:58:29 | tad | lol |
| 18:58:36 | Chestal | jolly: you need to become an admin first of course |
| 18:58:40 | jolly_ | yep |
| 18:58:43 | tad | hmm |
| 18:58:57 | tad | you need to add a vote option in there |
| 18:59:01 | jpablo | Chestal: when are the league tournaments gonna start ? |
| 18:59:08 | tad | like vote someone as admin |
| 18:59:17 | tad | or vote to kick someone |
| 18:59:21 | Chestal | jpablo: the idea is to just start by doing challenges |
| 18:59:39 | tad | or vote to turn flags off |
| 18:59:41 | tad | :) |
| 18:59:53 | Chestal | jpablo: facilities for this will be setup on the web site real soon now :-) |
| 18:59:57 | jpablo | well, then: i challenge you ! |
| 19:00:23 | tad | if 51% of players agree then.... |
| 19:01:04 | Chestal | jpablo: things are progressing slowly, Valoche is back and already did the forums |
| 19:01:14 | tad | :) |
| 19:02:07 | Chestal | jpablo: also, the upcomign 1.7e6 release will help. It will allow more people to run a 2 team CTF server for official matches |
| 19:02:24 | tad | ah |
| 19:02:25 | tad | cool |
| 19:02:36 | tad | whats this do? http://bzflag.org/wiki/view/IRCLogging |
| 19:02:56 | tad | I dont understand it |
| 19:03:07 | tad | it sends everything to IRC? |
| 19:03:30 | Chestal | yes |
| 19:03:35 | tad | cool |
| 19:03:40 | jpablo | ok. |
| 19:04:48 | tad | I cant login to the Wiki though |
| 19:04:52 | tad | right password.... |
| 19:05:25 | Chestal | hmm, I use the Wiki once every 3 months and I always forget my password |
| 19:05:31 | tad | lol |
| 19:05:34 | tad | I got my password |
| 19:05:40 | tad | with the link on there |
| 19:05:47 | tad | but it does not work |
| 19:06:03 | Chestal | hmm, no idea |
| 19:08:15 | tad | lol |
| 19:10:56 | jolly_ | hmmm |
| 19:12:49 | Chestal | hmmm? |
| 19:12:57 | tad | hmmmm |
| 19:13:02 | | tad: sorry... |
| 19:13:02 | tad | ibot hmmm |
| 19:13:05 | | Should I do my BOBBIE VINTON medley? |
| 19:13:05 | tad | ibot yow |
| 19:13:10 | tad | no! |
| 19:13:17 | | Life is a POPULARITY CONTEST! I'm REFRESHINGLY CANDID!! |
| 19:13:17 | tad | ibot yow |
| 19:13:56 | Chestal | oh well, I think I'll go home |
| 19:13:57 | tad | anyone ever play spector? |
| 19:14:16 | jolly_ | c-ya Ches |
| 19:14:20 | Chestal | jolly_: byebye |
| 19:15:22 | tad | l8r! |
| 19:36:18 | tad | hmmm |
| 19:36:26 | tad | restart time..... |
| 19:57:01 | vogon_jeltz | http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Pfaffr/timecube-badge.jpg <-- pure gold. |
| 19:58:54 | captain_proton | haha |
| 20:00:17 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: where can i find empty rackmount chassis? (not computer cases) |
| 20:01:12 | vogon_jeltz | *shrug* |
| 20:01:18 | vogon_jeltz | no clue. |
| 20:01:22 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:01:37 | captain_proton | i may just have to get the most empty case i can find |
| 20:03:04 | vogon_jeltz | http://www.funkymunky.com/forumpics/other/history-jedisatnormandy.jpg |
| 20:03:30 | captain_proton | hah |
| 20:04:00 | captain_proton | uggg |
| 20:04:14 | captain_proton | all the rackmount cases i can find have holes cut out in back for port |
| 20:04:18 | captain_proton | ports* |
| 20:04:43 | captain_proton | BZFlag: where can i find a 1U case with no visible bays and no holes in back for ports |
| 20:06:39 | BZFlag | captain_proton: what would you want no ports for? |
| 20:07:18 | captain_proton | BZFlag: because i don't want to build a computer in it |
| 20:07:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i'd drill holes for stereo jacks- lots of them |
| 20:07:43 | BZFlag | ah |
| 20:08:07 | captain_proton | is planning to build a multi-channel mixer |
| 20:09:57 | arathorn | hi all risman was here in last 10 min? |
| 20:10:11 | captain_proton | arathorn: no |
| 20:10:24 | arathorn | ty for info |
| 20:18:43 | captain_proton | w000! |
| 20:18:50 | arathorn | hi all again |
| 20:18:59 | captain_proton | http://www.bradleybroadcast.com/2001/racks%20and%20accessories.htm <-- 1/2way down the page, 'Rackmount Chassis' |
| 20:37:00 | Chestal | re |
| 20:37:12 | captain_proton | Chestal: ducati 5156 is down |
| 20:37:16 | Chestal | hmm, I cannot find my Psion, strange |
| 20:37:21 | Chestal | oh, I'll look into it |
| 20:38:32 | Chestal | hmm, segfault, oh well |
| 20:40:25 | lupinator | hola |
| 20:40:45 | Chestal | hi lupi |
| 21:12:56 | scanline | is back (gone 06:21:48) |
| 21:26:36 | scanline | is away: ZzZz |
| 21:59:36 | almogaver | hi |
| 22:02:24 | almogaver | BZFlag, Chestal, are you here? |
| 22:02:48 | almogaver | hi T-34 |
| 22:02:52 | Chestal | yes |
| 22:03:37 | almogaver | Chestal: the bug i reported yesterday in sourceforge |
| 22:03:53 | almogaver | did you see it? |
| 22:03:59 | T-34 | Hi tankers! |
| 22:04:03 | almogaver | i'm rmarco in sourceforge |
| 22:04:19 | almogaver | there are another one |
| 22:04:29 | almogaver | sometimes, when you start to play |
| 22:04:39 | almogaver | you can read: |
| 22:04:50 | almogaver | someone destroyed by <unknown> blast |
| 22:05:02 | almogaver | <unknown> instead of player name |
| 22:05:09 | almogaver | i killed someone yesterday |
| 22:05:09 | T-34 | Almo, Ara's waiting for you! |
| 22:05:12 | T-34 | me too |
| 22:05:12 | almogaver | and i got the point |
| 22:05:14 | T-34 | bye all |
| 22:05:31 | almogaver | but i readed that "<unknown>" instead my name |
| 22:05:32 | Chestal | almogover: yes, that's the new kill messages, IMHO we shoudl remove them |
| 22:05:39 | Chestal | they cannot work correctly |
| 22:06:54 | almogaver | and the other bug.. the sound when pause... it comes from e4 at least |
| 22:08:10 | Chestal | Windows? |
| 22:08:24 | almogaver | linux |
| 22:08:32 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:08:47 | Chestal | seems a bit strabnge to me, I never experienced this |
| 22:08:57 | almogaver | and it's very hard to see when a player is carrying a flag in CTF |
| 22:09:08 | almogaver | 1.7e5 is almost inusable for CTF |
| 22:09:29 | almogaver | try it: pause when ur team flag is near to be captured |
| 22:09:51 | almogaver | when it's done, you can return to the game just pressing the right button of ur mouse |
| 22:09:59 | Chestal | you compile dit yourself? |
| 22:10:00 | almogaver | but you haven't sound |
| 22:10:12 | almogaver | yes, i compiled it |
| 22:10:19 | Chestal | hmm, ok, I'll try |
| 22:10:31 | Chestal | must compiel it first |
| 22:10:50 | almogaver | if you pause again, and resume, you'll have sound again |
| 22:11:40 | Chestal | hm, but you have sound while paused? |
| 22:12:06 | almogaver | no, i haven't |
| 22:12:20 | Chestal | ah, is soudn supposed to go away when paused? |
| 22:12:30 | Chestal | I do not pause very often, I cannot remember |
| 22:12:32 | almogaver | yes, i think |
| 22:12:50 | almogaver | you haven't images neither sound |
| 22:12:53 | Chestal | do you just pause or do you switch to another window or similar? |
| 22:12:58 | almogaver | no radar, no screen, no soun |
| 22:13:12 | almogaver | no, i paused with "p" key |
| 22:13:32 | almogaver | you must wait 3 seconds before pause |
| 22:14:19 | Chestal | yep, when paused, soudn volume is 'off' |
| 22:14:27 | Chestal | you can check in the options menu |
| 22:14:42 | Chestal | ok, so the bug is that soudn voluem isn't reset when pausing is ended by death |
| 22:14:58 | Chestal | and this bug is new to e5? |
| 22:15:00 | almogaver | yes :) |
| 22:15:10 | almogaver | no, it was in e4 too |
| 22:15:18 | almogaver | i don't know in earlier version |
| 22:16:23 | almogaver | another thing |
| 22:16:27 | almogaver | in the e5 |
| 22:16:41 | almogaver | the latest e5 from CVS a few minutes ago |
| 22:16:47 | almogaver | this bug comes from some days ago |
| 22:16:59 | almogaver | when loading |
| 22:17:06 | almogaver | you see: "loading something..." |
| 22:17:12 | almogaver | when it arrives to laser: |
| 22:17:18 | almogaver | loading rlaser... |
| 22:17:21 | almogaver | cannot load rlaser |
| 22:17:25 | almogaver | loading glaser... |
| 22:17:29 | almogaver | cannot load glaser |
| 22:17:32 | almogaver | etc.. |
| 22:17:36 | almogaver | with the 4 lasers |
| 22:18:14 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:18:31 | Chestal | do you have data/rlaser.rgb etc.? |
| 22:22:24 | almogaver | the laser is not the same now |
| 22:22:36 | Chestal | yes, you need the 4 new laser rgbs |
| 22:22:40 | almogaver | i got this "cannot load" since laser was changed |
| 22:22:44 | Chestal | cplease check if those are in your data directory |
| 22:22:54 | Chestal | data/rlaser.rgb for red laser |
| 22:23:06 | almogaver | yes, i have it |
| 22:23:16 | Chestal | ok, then your bzflag is using the wrong data dir |
| 22:23:19 | Chestal | how do you start it? |
| 22:24:01 | almogaver | -rw-rw-r-- 1 almo almo 7936 abr 30 00:14 data/blaser.rgb |
| 22:24:01 | almogaver | -rw-rw-r-- 1 almo almo 7808 abr 30 00:14 data/glaser.rgb |
| 22:24:01 | almogaver | -rw-rw-r-- 1 almo almo 7936 abr 30 00:14 data/plaser.rgb |
| 22:24:02 | almogaver | -rw-rw-r-- 1 almo almo 7936 abr 30 00:14 data/rlaser.rgb |
| 22:24:02 | almogaver | -rw-rw-r-- 1 almo almo 7936 abr 30 00:14 data/ylaser.rgb |
| 22:24:17 | almogaver | i start it just with "bzflag" |
| 22:24:22 | almogaver | from another directory |
| 22:24:34 | almogaver | i cant play just with ./bzflag from bin directoriy |
| 22:24:46 | Chestal | you have to either isntall it, start it from the bzflag main directory with bin/bzflag or use the -directory option to point to the correct data dir |
| 22:24:56 | almogaver | no, i can now |
| 22:25:05 | almogaver | i can't a few days ago |
| 22:25:44 | almogaver | ok, it works now |
| 22:25:56 | almogaver | with -directory |
| 22:26:04 | almogaver | more things... |
| 22:26:14 | almogaver | i saw some shots coming from the air |
| 22:26:29 | almogaver | the place where a tank was a moment ago |
| 22:27:11 | Chestal | possibly lag? |
| 22:27:14 | almogaver | it's disconcerting |
| 22:27:17 | almogaver | yes, lag |
| 22:27:28 | almogaver | but it doesn't happen in e4 |
| 22:27:31 | Chestal | shouldn't be unique to e5 |
| 22:27:55 | Chestal | in fact ehre is a patch on sf which might help with this, but e5 doesn't have anything that should make a differnece here |
| 22:28:11 | Chestal | I've seen it very rarely with people who were very badly lagged |
| 22:28:34 | Chestal | regarding the pause/soud problem: do you think it's best to just restore soudn volume when you're dead after pausing? |
| 22:28:47 | almogaver | i wasn't very lagged |
| 22:28:58 | Chestal | maybe the other guy was? |
| 22:29:05 | almogaver | few lag for me: about 215 ms |
| 22:29:16 | Chestal | the effect can happen, if there is big jitter, i.e. variety in lag |
| 22:29:22 | almogaver | it happened a lot of times |
| 22:29:26 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:29:32 | almogaver | with no lagged guys |
| 22:30:02 | Chestal | but it really sounds liek a quality of connection problem |
| 22:30:13 | Chestal | I'l keep it in mind, haven't encountered it lately |
| 22:31:07 | almogaver | regarding the pause problem: i think a team flag captured shouldn't remove ur pause |
| 22:32:03 | Chestal | hmm, but you must die when this happens |
| 22:32:04 | Chestal | same with geno |
| 22:32:21 | almogaver | and the radar+flags stuff... if it's not solved i'll keep using e4 for ducati |
| 22:32:27 | Chestal | pausing is evil anyway IMHO, but that's another matter |
| 22:32:36 | almogaver | it's near inusable for CTF games |
| 22:32:41 | Chestal | have you tried my new radar? |
| 22:32:54 | Chestal | downlaod the patch from sf, I'm interested in people's opinions on it |
| 22:32:58 | almogaver | i don't know what's your new radar |
| 22:33:07 | Chestal | sf, patches |
| 22:33:10 | almogaver | i played with the CVS version, with no patch |
| 22:33:34 | Chestal | it's not in CVS (yet?), try the patch if you like |
| 22:33:52 | almogaver | i'm going to it |
| 22:34:08 | Chestal | I'll just resote the soudn for now |
| 22:34:14 | Chestal | betetr than the current version I guess |
| 22:34:58 | almogaver | <Chestal> hmm, but you must die when this happens -> ok, then you die and you get paused again |
| 22:35:17 | almogaver | the only way to return to the game after pause should be resume |
| 22:35:30 | almogaver | it's only my opinion of course |
| 22:36:23 | almogaver | some radar changes 2002-04-28 04:35 |
| 22:36:25 | almogaver | is it? |
| 22:37:32 | almogaver | i see |
| 22:37:52 | Chestal | yep |
| 22:38:09 | Chestal | hmm, but you cannot be dead and paused at the same time |
| 22:38:18 | Chestal | you can only pause when active |
| 22:38:44 | almogaver | i suposse you can't now... |
| 22:39:03 | almogaver | i don't know what's the best way to do it |
| 22:40:03 | almogaver | a nice patch for radar |
| 22:40:08 | Chestal | well, I'll do the quick fix for now |
| 22:40:26 | almogaver | will be not draw the shots that can't kill nobody |
| 22:41:05 | Chestal | there are two new options in the options menu |
| 22:41:15 | Chestal | you can turn shot colour and shots as lines on/off |
| 22:43:00 | almogaver | for example, not draw shots ricocheted in a pyramid in a no jumping and no flags world |
| 22:43:35 | Chestal | my radar patch does somethign similar |
| 22:46:38 | almogaver | how can I apply it? "patch" command doesn't work |
| 22:47:19 | Chestal | it should work |
| 22:47:28 | Chestal | patch -p0 < radar.txt |
| 22:47:39 | Chestal | when you're in main bzfalg directory |
| 22:48:03 | almogaver | directory problems |
| 22:49:04 | almogaver | RCS file: /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/include/Attic/SceneRenderer.h,v |
| 22:49:10 | almogaver | for example, that "Attic" |
| 22:49:28 | Chestal | this line shouldn't be used by patch |
| 22:49:51 | Chestal | --- include/SceneRenderer.h |
| 22:49:56 | Chestal | that should be used and work |
| 22:50:13 | Chestal | cd bzflag ; patch -p0 < radar.txt works for me, I'm pretty sure |
| 22:50:26 | Chestal | you must be in the correct directory |
| 22:51:17 | almogaver | i am |
| 22:51:43 | Chestal | and you have inclue/SceneRenderer.h ? |
| 22:52:07 | almogaver | yes, i have |
| 22:52:13 | almogaver | i've removed all the dir |
| 22:52:18 | almogaver | and copy it again |
| 22:52:22 | almogaver | and now it works |
| 22:53:04 | almogaver | i'll try it |
| 22:53:10 | almogaver | i'm going to play some time |
| 22:53:58 | Chestal | ok |
| 23:49:55 | arathorn | hi all |
