| 00:30:44 | Widget | Saluton, chiuj. |
| 00:48:07 | tad | hey! |
| 00:48:09 | tad | anyone here? |
| 00:48:19 | tad | chestal? |
| 00:48:26 | Widget | I'm here! |
| 00:48:28 | | I haven't seen 'chesthal', tad |
| 00:48:28 | tad | ibot seen chesthal |
| 00:48:29 | Widget | I'm here! |
| 00:48:32 | tad | ah |
| 00:48:38 | tad | you know bzflag good? |
| 00:48:38 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 28 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: it's late, I want to go to bed [Thu May 2 00:19:44 2002] |
| 00:48:38 | Widget | ibot seen chestal |
| 00:48:47 | tad | nah |
| 00:48:49 | tad | ah |
| 00:48:50 | Widget | Well? Not completely. |
| 00:49:00 | tad | my bzflag is terribly slow |
| 00:49:12 | tad | 9 fps is bad |
| 00:49:16 | Widget | Oh..... Hm. |
| 00:49:21 | Widget | I have that problem often too. |
| 00:49:23 | tad | n I usely get 30 |
| 00:49:28 | Widget | Try closing down every application. |
| 00:49:31 | tad | nand other games run fine |
| 00:49:32 | Widget | Even restarting X. |
| 00:49:35 | tad | n;) |
| 00:49:36 | tad | ;) |
| 00:49:38 | tad | windowz |
| 00:49:42 | Widget | Oh. |
| 00:49:57 | tad | other 3D games run fast! |
| 00:49:58 | Widget | Try closing down the other applications, then. |
| 00:50:02 | tad | but bzflag is bad! |
| 00:50:10 | tad | it is |
| 00:50:12 | tad | hmmm |
| 00:50:14 | tad | wierd |
| 00:54:25 | Widget | Hi, jacques. |
| 00:54:32 | jacques | hi Widget |
| 00:55:54 | blackhound | hi everyone |
| 00:56:11 | blackhound | how is it going? |
| 00:56:29 | Widget | Hi, [RAT] blackhound. |
| 00:57:06 | blackhound | what's up Widget |
| 01:08:17 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream |
| 01:13:37 | tad | hey! |
| 01:13:53 | tad | you know what could be wrong with my game? |
| 01:14:02 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 01:14:05 | tad | its really slow... but nothing else is |
| 01:14:10 | tad | even other games |
| 01:14:22 | tad | are fast |
| 01:14:26 | captain_proton | no clue |
| 01:14:30 | tad | hmm |
| 01:14:34 | tad | its really bad |
| 01:14:52 | tad | oh well |
| 01:15:00 | tad | I guess no more bzflag.... |
| 01:15:16 | tad | is very sad |
| 01:15:17 | captain_proton | tried rebooting? |
| 01:15:19 | tad | yup |
| 01:15:26 | captain_proton | reinstall it |
| 01:15:29 | tad | yup |
| 01:15:36 | tad | even went back to older version |
| 01:15:39 | tad | same thing |
| 01:15:44 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:15:53 | tad | brb let me try 1.8 |
| 01:15:53 | captain_proton | maybe update your drivers |
| 01:15:57 | tad | yea |
| 01:16:08 | tad | but it worked fine for the longest of time |
| 01:16:27 | captain_proton | something had to change |
| 01:16:46 | tad | hmm |
| 01:16:51 | tad | even 1.8 is slow |
| 01:17:11 | tad | but everything else is really fast |
| 01:17:24 | captain_proton | tried other opengl applications? |
| 01:17:29 | tad | um |
| 01:17:36 | tad | I dont have any else |
| 01:17:41 | tad | let me get some |
| 01:17:58 | Widget | Heya, captain_proton. Why did you leave? |
| 01:18:27 | captain_proton | Widget: stuff to do |
| 01:19:36 | Widget | captain_proton: Hah! I had killed you one more time than you had killed me! |
| 01:21:02 | Widget | Yes, I'm still bitter. |
| 01:21:30 | captain_proton | haha |
| 01:21:33 | captain_proton | cackles |
| 01:21:44 | tad | bangs his head ont he desk |
| 01:21:52 | Widget | I don't have a desk. |
| 01:22:00 | Widget | I have to sit on the floor and play with my laptop. :( |
| 01:22:08 | tad | lol |
| 02:16:15 | [DJ]HaCK | how do I get more than 7fps in bzflags ? |
| 02:16:58 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: do you have opengl acceleration? |
| 02:17:23 | [DJ]HaCK | emm I have glut installed and a geforce3 |
| 02:17:40 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: have you installed the nvidia drivers? |
| 02:18:15 | [DJ]HaCK | nope , xfree driver aren't accelerated ? |
| 02:18:22 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: thats why |
| 02:18:29 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: go to nvidia.com and install their drivers |
| 02:19:21 | [DJ]HaCK | last year I tried them worked perfectly with quake3 and a few other games , but most opengl still ran in software , won't I run in the same problem again ? |
| 02:19:39 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: not if you install them correctly |
| 02:20:03 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: install both packages (GLX and the kernel driver), then change your XF86Config to use driver "nvidia" (instead of driver "nv") |
| 02:21:49 | blackhound | [DJ]HaCK: what distro you use? |
| 02:23:06 | [DJ]HaCK | source mage gnu/linux |
| 02:23:09 | [DJ]HaCK | source based |
| 02:23:29 | [DJ]HaCK | much less spagethi than slackware |
| 02:23:50 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: source mage? |
| 02:24:27 | [DJ]HaCK | was sorcerer gnu/linux last week |
| 02:24:40 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 02:24:52 | [DJ]HaCK | in fact it's a fork of sorcerer |
| 02:26:26 | [DJ]HaCK | it looks -much- better now , hope all the opengl work that good :) |
| 02:26:29 | [DJ]HaCK | thanks ! |
| 02:28:22 | [DJ]HaCK | 80fps with everything at maximum it that good ? or can I get more ? |
| 02:28:35 | captain_proton | what resolution? |
| 02:29:29 | [DJ]HaCK | is it the same resolution as desktop ? |
| 02:29:37 | captain_proton | not necessarily |
| 02:29:47 | captain_proton | look in the video mode config |
| 02:30:13 | [DJ]HaCK | is it in options ? |
| 02:30:21 | captain_proton | yes |
| 02:30:58 | [DJ]HaCK | is it possible that it's not there ? |
| 02:31:13 | captain_proton | no |
| 02:32:44 | [DJ]HaCK | not there really |
| 02:33:24 | captain_proton | options -> change video format |
| 02:33:58 | [DJ]HaCK | I have dithering , blending , smoothing , lighting , texturing,quality , shadows ,depth buffer , bighteness , sound volume , change key mapping , udp network connection and enhanced radar |
| 02:34:50 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: do you have the XVideoMode extension enabled? |
| 02:36:33 | [DJ]HaCK | it' s in modules section of XF86config ? |
| 02:37:02 | [DJ]HaCK | is it extmod ? |
| 02:38:32 | captain_proton | i belive its in extmod |
| 02:40:57 | [DJ]HaCK | extmod is xfree86 server extension , contains XVidMod is that it ? |
| 02:41:54 | captain_proton | should be |
| 02:41:57 | [DJ]HaCK | but I only have one modes definition in xf86config |
| 02:42:00 | [DJ]HaCK | 1600x1200 |
| 02:42:09 | captain_proton | you'll want a few more |
| 02:42:19 | captain_proton | but at 1600x1200, 80 fps is probably a reasonable framerate |
| 02:42:50 | [DJ]HaCK | I'll try 640x480 hehe I get 400! |
| 02:44:37 | [DJ]HaCK | OMFG ! |
| 02:44:41 | [DJ]HaCK | 317FPS steady |
| 02:45:53 | [DJ]HaCK | never got that high in windows |
| 02:46:14 | captain_proton | opengl works better in linux than windows |
| 02:46:18 | captain_proton | at least with nvidia cards |
| 02:46:36 | vogon_jeltz | in some games. |
| 02:46:41 | vogon_jeltz | it depends on the cleanliness of the code. |
| 02:46:45 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 02:47:06 | vogon_jeltz | Quake3 and Tribes2, IIRC, compare favorably. |
| 02:47:06 | [DJ]HaCK | I hope H-L runs in wine better now |
| 02:47:22 | [DJ]HaCK | it's been a while since I last tested |
| 02:47:29 | vogon_jeltz | shudders |
| 02:47:56 | vogon_jeltz | I hate it when people play HL in Wine. either dual-boot or use Linux apps only. |
| 02:48:17 | vogon_jeltz | the crappiness of Wine is used by morons to reflect unfavorably on Linux. |
| 02:48:44 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: of my friends who play HL, they use wine because they get a higher framerate (not to mention they don't have windows at all) |
| 02:48:55 | vogon_jeltz | it's great to have around when you're in a controlled environment and you can't have people rebooting to use Office, but for gaming, you're better off using Windows. I'm sorry. |
| 02:49:10 | vogon_jeltz | and, of course, when you don't own Windows, it's helpful. |
| 02:49:24 | vogon_jeltz | but the vast majority of people own at least one copy of it somewhere. |
| 02:49:46 | [DJ]HaCK | I try to get rid of windows H-L has always the killer app |
| 02:49:56 | [DJ]HaCK | always been |
| 02:49:58 | vogon_jeltz | points out that he's tried using around 20 different pieces of software with Wine, and only one works. |
| 02:50:17 | vogon_jeltz | it's Quake 2 with a story. big whoop. |
| 02:50:26 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 02:50:43 | captain_proton | haha |
| 02:50:51 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i got notepad working |
| 02:51:06 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: heh. |
| 02:51:09 | [DJ]HaCK | I had calc working |
| 02:51:20 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: Notepad would be a decent editor if it didn't have a filesize limit. |
| 02:52:07 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the one piece of software that works here is Progress Quest, which is composed entirely of 4 progress bars, 6 list boxes, and a random number generator. |
| 02:52:22 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: and it doesn't have the ability to save your game. |
| 02:53:04 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: Quake Army Knife works, sorta. Everything is slowed way the fuck down, you don't have the ability to use OpenGL previews, and it crashes if you click certain menus. |
| 02:54:13 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: UnrealEd gets into a mutex deadlock, WorldCraft GPFs on startup... |
| 02:54:50 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: Mobile Forces (which is supposed to be one of the crappiest games ever) doesn't even start. |
| 02:55:23 | captain_proton | just freed up 8gb |
| 02:55:45 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: Works Suite's installer uses some undocumented method to query free hard drive space, which results in it always finding -2047 MB free. |
| 02:55:56 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: and refusing to install. |
| 02:56:05 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:56:11 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: SimGolf doesn't install. |
| 02:56:15 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i'm not saying that wine isn't a piece of shit |
| 02:56:21 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: (GPFs midway through the installer.) |
| 02:57:23 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the only things I've ever heard that work are JK2, SoF2 MPTest, and HL/CS. |
| 02:57:57 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: and the hax0red version of The Sims that you have to buy with Mandrake 8.0 for 80 bucks. |
| 02:58:04 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: and Max Payne. |
| 02:58:40 | [DJ]HaCK | jk2 sof2 these are recent games , if they work many other should work now since they're based on similar engines |
| 02:59:02 | vogon_jeltz | and, since we all know BZFlag and Tribes2 > all other FPSes, 4 of those are inferior games. |
| 02:59:51 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: they only work because they're based on the Q3 engine, which Carmack refuses to add Direct3D support to. |
| 03:00:37 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: and Wine's opengl32.dll is just a wrapper DLL that maps everything to Linux OpenGL calls. |
| 03:01:47 | [DJ]HaCK | max paine is directx only |
| 03:01:59 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: true enough. |
| 03:02:11 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: but it took them months of focused development effort to get that one game to work. |
| 03:02:28 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: and Loki had port times on the order of 2 weeks. |
| 03:02:53 | [DJ]HaCK | but max pain is bloated slow has a cheesy story and is full of cheap matrix rip off so who cares uh? |
| 03:03:00 | vogon_jeltz | heh. |
| 03:03:46 | [DJ]HaCK | it feels like a diluted version of deus-ex |
| 03:04:12 | Widget | hoi hoi hoi |
| 03:04:31 | [DJ]HaCK | btw does deux-ex run in wine or did they published linux binairies ? |
| 03:04:41 | captain_proton | attacks another pair of poptarts |
| 03:04:57 | Widget | Why is ducati down? |
| 03:05:27 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: I've recommended to most people that they boycott Deus Ex. |
| 03:05:41 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: Loki had finished the port, but Ion Storm forbade them to fix a bug. |
| 03:06:21 | [DJ]HaCK | why they did that ? |
| 03:06:48 | captain_proton | Widget: because you're not special enough |
| 03:07:03 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: *shrug* Loki owed them some money, but only because they project ran long and was never released. |
| 03:07:05 | Widget | captain_proton: But I AM special! My mommy told me so! |
| 03:07:49 | vogon_jeltz | [DJ]HaCK: Ion Storm got back the code when Loki went under, but they haven't fixed the bug and released it. |
| 03:08:29 | [DJ]HaCK | that's just plain evil |
| 03:08:37 | vogon_jeltz | *nod* |
| 03:08:58 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. lemme check something, and I'll brb. |
| 03:12:49 | [DJ]HaCK | does black&white has been ported to linux ? |
| 03:13:17 | captain_proton | no |
| 03:14:56 | Widget | Everyone, promise me that you will never utter a word of Esperanto. Ever. |
| 03:15:21 | vogon_jeltz | Mi kusenveturilo estas plena de angiloj. |
| 03:15:43 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:16:10 | Widget | vogon_jeltz: Silencu, stultulo. |
| 03:16:48 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:16:52 | captain_proton | openoffice 1.0 |
| 03:16:55 | captain_proton | sounds good to me =) |
| 03:18:00 | Widget | Mi malkomprenas vian frazon, vogon_jeltz. |
| 03:18:04 | Widget | "I cushionvehicle is full of ells." |
| 03:18:05 | Widget | ? |
| 03:19:03 | vogon_jeltz | no, "My hovercraft is full of eels," according to the MITSpE primer. |
| 03:19:17 | Widget | Ah... interesting translation. |
| 03:19:19 | vogon_jeltz | I never bothered to learn any Esperanto beyond that. |
| 03:19:22 | Widget | And I meant, 'eels'. |
| 03:19:28 | Widget | And you should use 'mia', not 'mi'. |
| 03:19:29 | vogon_jeltz | you win. |
| 03:19:35 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. |
| 03:19:36 | Widget | 'mi' means 'I'. 'Mia' means 'my'. |
| 03:19:46 | vogon_jeltz | I'll write the guy at MIT who did it wrong, then. |
| 03:19:54 | Widget | Typo, no doubt. |
| 03:20:14 | Widget | Don't trust the MIT linguistic department. |
| 03:20:18 | Widget | What with Chomsky... |
| 03:20:36 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:20:51 | captain_proton | chomsky is cool |
| 03:21:08 | Widget | They call him "the modern Panini". |
| 03:21:15 | Widget | I consider it a great insult to Panini. |
| 03:21:53 | captain_proton | panini? |
| 03:22:07 | captain_proton | thought Panini were those toasted italian sandwiches |
| 03:22:07 | Widget | Probably the greatest grammarian who ever lived. |
| 03:22:15 | vogon_jeltz | restarts GNOME. brb. |
| 03:22:18 | Widget | Pa:nini. |
| 03:22:24 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:22:30 | captain_proton | the openoffice mirrors are dying |
| 03:23:16 | [DJ]HaCK | I hope it's worth the 4k/s download ! |
| 03:23:27 | captain_proton | [DJ]HaCK: i'm getting 12.9 |
| 03:25:08 | captain_proton | heya timmy |
| 03:25:32 | vogon_jeltz | OK, I'm headed back to fluxbox. brb. |
| 03:26:11 | Widget | Do not listen to the siren voice of Gnome, my friends! KDE is the ONE TRUE PATH! |
| 03:26:36 | captain_proton | KDE is for linux newbies who need a windows-like interface to cushion themselves |
| 03:26:51 | Widget | X is for Linux newbies who need a windows-like interface to cushion themselves. |
| 03:27:15 | captain_proton | Widget: i see no reason to run any form of session management that will make my system feel like molasses |
| 03:27:46 | Widget | captain_proton: Hah! I daresay your computer is nearly as slow as mine! |
| 03:27:52 | vogon_jeltz | fluxbox > * |
| 03:28:05 | captain_proton | Widget: full i686 optimization on a p4 1.7? i think not |
| 03:28:35 | Widget | listens to Dolchamar. |
| 03:29:12 | vogon_jeltz | the only thing I hate more than people who use Windows and don't see that it sucks are people who use Macs and base their arguments around how fast they can run photoshop plugins. |
| 03:29:44 | vogon_jeltz | takes an off-topic shot in the dark to try to liven up the conversation. |
| 03:29:47 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: or people who say "macs are only good for graphic design" |
| 03:30:15 | vogon_jeltz | what else are they good for, IYHO? |
| 03:30:29 | vogon_jeltz | plays devil's advocate |
| 03:30:43 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: general computing - if they had the same price/speed ratio as x86 i'd go for them in a heartbeat |
| 03:31:11 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: PPC is soooo much better an architecture than x86 |
| 03:31:20 | vogon_jeltz | the hardware itself is great; the OS that Apple forces onto it isn't. |
| 03:31:51 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: ever heard of linux/PPC ? ;) |
| 03:31:55 | vogon_jeltz | for instance, who the fuck needs windows rendered with real-time transparency? |
| 03:32:13 | vogon_jeltz | if overcrowding is an issue, just conjure up another virtual desktop. |
| 03:32:16 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: yeah, and I've used it. |
| 03:32:21 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: what's your point? ;) |
| 03:32:34 | Widget | I use a Mac. |
| 03:32:56 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: the only upside to using Linux on PPC instead of x86 is the performance benefit. |
| 03:33:05 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: exactly |
| 03:33:07 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you get fewer proprietary programs. |
| 03:33:21 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: and less-optimized ones, at that. |
| 03:33:34 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: support is in its infancy, i'll agree |
| 03:33:58 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: but the hardware itself is worth getting a mac |
| 03:34:01 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: combining an OS with 0.5% market share with a hardware platform that has 5% market share is not a recipe for success. |
| 03:34:08 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 03:34:34 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: market share has no impact on my hardware/OS choices aside from how much $$ i have to spend |
| 03:34:40 | Widget | So? My Mac earns me the envy of my friends. |
| 03:35:02 | captain_proton | watches his download slow to 9KB/s |
| 03:35:11 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: actually, market share does, because it means that the cost of entry into Mac-compatible PPC platforms is too much to justify sales. |
| 03:35:42 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: if they had 50% of the market, people would be creating desktop PPC non-Apple hardware. |
| 03:39:53 | vogon_jeltz | http://www.bensinclair.com/dockapp/showapp.php3?id=87 <-- crazy, chess in a WM dockapp form factor |
| 03:43:27 | Widget | Kiu tie auskultas Kajton? |
| 03:45:51 | vogon_jeltz | like I said, I've forgotten all of my Esperanto except for that one (incorrect) phrase. |
| 03:48:36 | captain_proton | w00t! |
| 03:48:47 | vogon_jeltz | w0t? |
| 03:48:47 | captain_proton | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9 53G 40G 10G 80% / |
| 03:48:52 | captain_proton | look at all that free space |
| 03:49:34 | Widget | Who here listens to Kajto? |
| 03:49:54 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. I've gotta nuke some of these source trees. |
| 05:05:15 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream |
| 05:05:39 | MrApathyCream | (X)(X) |
| 05:05:40 | MrApathyCream | > |
| 05:05:44 | MrApathyCream | (XX) |
| 05:06:23 | captain_proton | what did i hit this time? |
| 05:06:31 | vogon_jeltz | his mouth. |
| 05:06:37 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 05:06:45 | captain_proton | but this is the 4th poke? |
| 05:06:52 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, i thought third |
| 05:07:10 | captain_proton | maybe the third was ineffectual |
| 05:07:15 | MrApathyCream | praps |
| 05:07:49 | MrApathyCream | no dev today, eh? |
| 05:07:55 | MrApathyCream | bummer |
| 05:08:00 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: to the contrary - i got a line of code written |
| 05:08:13 | MrApathyCream | comment line? |
| 05:08:22 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: actually no - a real line |
| 05:08:29 | MrApathyCream | { ? |
| 05:08:41 | captain_proton | int a = 0; |
| 05:08:44 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:08:59 | MrApathyCream | int a(0); ? |
| 05:09:14 | captain_proton | no - i thought using = was a better solution |
| 05:09:23 | MrApathyCream | well engineered on your part |
| 05:10:37 | captain_proton | why thank you |
| 05:10:49 | MrApathyCream | hmmm another Colorado.EDU chap |
| 05:16:33 | captain_proton | we're taking over |
| 05:50:41 | scanline | captain_proton: know much about CPU architecture? |
| 05:51:14 | captain_proton | scanline: which CPU? |
| 05:51:37 | scanline | captain_proton: well, in general. I recently got an itch to go design my own CPU architecture |
| 05:51:54 | captain_proton | scanline: thats disgusting |
| 05:52:00 | scanline | It will be a very small and simple VLIW machine, optimized for synthesis in FPGAs |
| 05:52:06 | scanline | disgusting? why? |
| 05:52:14 | captain_proton | scanline: might wanna wait until i take digital ;) |
| 05:52:28 | scanline | haha |
| 05:52:42 | scanline | this will be written in Verilog probably |
| 05:53:03 | scanline | but ideally I'd want something with extremely simple hardware that will run at close to 200mHz in a Spartan II FPGA |
| 05:53:20 | scanline | In the architecture I'm planning, even the cache would be controlled by the compiler |
| 05:53:38 | captain_proton | verilog - that sounds familiar - digital circuitry simulator? |
| 05:54:12 | scanline | Verilog is a Hardware Description Language, you can use it to describe hardware that you will then simulate and/or synthesize into logic. The two main HDLs are Verilog and VHDL |
| 05:55:14 | captain_proton | in that case whats the name of that one open-source digital simulator? |
| 05:55:44 | scanline | mm.. i don't know |
| 05:56:07 | scanline | most of the hardware you need to work with FPGAs is windows only and proprietary.. I have to run it in VMware |
| 05:56:26 | scanline | though I've seen several open source simulators, synthesizers, etc. |
| 05:56:51 | scanline | the main problem is that the bitstream format for the FPGA itself is proprietary, so without a major reverse engineering effort you're locked into the FPGA vendor's tools |
| 05:57:26 | scanline | But I'm willing to deal with that for the time being as long as I can write in a language that's an open standard. That always leaves the door open to move to open tools when they become available |
| 05:57:29 | captain_proton | i thought xilinx distributed linux binaries? |
| 05:57:34 | scanline | no |
| 05:57:49 | captain_proton | oh well :) |
| 05:58:07 | scanline | There are linux binaries and source code for the XESS board programming tools. but the actual design and synthesis tools are usually $$$, and the free versions are windows only |
| 05:58:28 | scanline | I think that if you pay big $ you can get Solaris versions and such, but Xilinx seems to be completely oblivious to linux |
| 06:02:46 | scanline | goes back to math homework... |
| 07:39:48 | captain_proton | Chestal: wake up |
| 08:14:20 | captain_proton | heya tim |
| 10:54:06 | Chestal | hmm, what's the origin of the eel phrase? |
| 10:54:22 | vogon_jeltz | "my hovercraft is full of eels?" |
| 10:54:32 | Chestal | is it the monty python sketch? |
| 10:54:35 | Chestal | or is it older? |
| 10:54:51 | vogon_jeltz | it's the Python sketch, IIRC> |
| 10:54:55 | vogon_jeltz | s/>/./ |
| 10:56:03 | Chestal | ibot, x de en Mein Luftkissenboot ist voller Aale. |
| 10:56:04 | | Chestal: My hovercraft is full Aale. |
| 10:56:19 | Chestal | ibot: x en de My hovercraft is full of eels. |
| 10:56:20 | | Chestal: Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist von den Aalen voll. |
| 12:28:14 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sleeping, &c. |
| 16:15:01 | Chestal | hi BZFlag |
| 16:16:56 | captain_proton | Chestal: i found tron |
| 16:18:21 | Riseman | hi all |
| 16:18:52 | Chestal | captain: ah! it's in my edonkey-List, but not yet downloaded, I only start it occassionally |
| 16:19:16 | captain_proton | Chestal: i've got some homework to finish, but i'll zip it over right after |
| 16:19:49 | Chestal | proton: no need to hurry :-) |
| 16:21:04 | Riseman | Chestal: now i send a bzmsg for you arf ;) http://bzflag.detranquis.com/wbzfquery.html :D |
| 16:25:09 | Chestal | seems to work nicely |
| 16:25:55 | Riseman | thanks for your help :) |
| 16:26:42 | Chestal | I'm really tired today, and I have yet to build an exercise sheet, hmm :-( |
| 16:28:04 | Riseman | the bed is the light ;P |
| 16:28:33 | captain_proton | Chestal: making up homework is easier than doing it >=| |
| 16:29:12 | Chestal | proton: not really, it takes much more time |
| 16:34:26 | Riseman | i go to play a bit, later :) |
| 18:42:11 | Chestal | captain_proton: alive? |
| 18:42:15 | captain_proton | Chestal: ya |
| 18:42:25 | captain_proton | want the movie |
| 18:42:27 | captain_proton | ? |
| 18:42:42 | Chestal | captain_proton: could you take a look on the exercises I created so far? |
| 18:42:48 | captain_proton | Chestal: sure |
| 18:42:55 | Chestal | .dvi is ok? |
| 18:43:04 | captain_proton | Chestal: ought to be |
| 18:43:23 | Chestal | ftp://ftp.unix-ag.org/user/thilo/exercise3.dvi |
| 18:45:18 | Chestal | tries to decipher Dutch |
| 18:47:01 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:47:05 | captain_proton | my tetex is messed up |
| 18:47:10 | captain_proton | Chestal: care to convert to ps? |
| 18:47:19 | Chestal | ok |
| 18:47:51 | Chestal | guess the new filename :-) |
| 18:48:03 | captain_proton | ha |
| 18:48:18 | captain_proton | ooo joy |
| 18:48:25 | captain_proton | AFPL Ghostscript 7.04: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 |
| 18:48:26 | captain_proton | Broken pipe. |
| 18:48:40 | captain_proton | Chestal: time for ps2pdf ;) |
| 18:49:21 | Chestal | uh, maybe you shoudl switch to Debian ;-) |
| 18:49:39 | captain_proton | Chestal: i just went through a flurry of upgrades, so everything is still a little rough |
| 18:49:51 | Chestal | uploaded .pdf |
| 18:50:17 | captain_proton | works |
| 18:51:34 | captain_proton | Chestal: 3.3 seems a bit tough compared to 3.1 and 3.2 |
| 18:52:48 | Chestal | yes, the first two are really easy |
| 18:52:59 | Chestal | all 3 are just for pure fun anyway |
| 18:53:08 | Chestal | I'll add a 4th one which will be evaluated |
| 18:53:24 | captain_proton | the description for 3.3 could be a lot more clear about how to solve it |
| 18:53:43 | Chestal | it's still difficult to do good exercises, only thing I can use are fucntins and ifs, no loops yet |
| 18:54:14 | captain_proton | Chestal: yet you expect them to use/understand recursion? ;) |
| 18:54:44 | captain_proton | i've gotta go talk with one of my professors |
| 18:54:46 | Chestal | well, if stateents, functions and recursion are part of the lecture tomorrow |
| 18:54:52 | captain_proton | be back in 30 minutes - 1 hour |
| 18:54:54 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 18:55:04 | Chestal | ok, cu later |
| 19:29:06 | m0nG00sE_mAn | does ne one want a game? |
| 19:32:10 | m0nG00sE_mAn | ne one there? |
| 19:42:18 | Chestal | I'm here |
| 19:42:21 | Chestal | just played onducati CTF |
| 19:42:25 | Chestal | now I'll rturn to work |
| 19:42:29 | Chestal | I need someone who can read Dutch |
| 19:51:21 | captain_proton | Chestal: can you accept dcc? |
| 19:51:32 | Chestal | captain: I can accept, yes, but not send |
| 19:51:59 | captain_proton | not a bad transfer rate |
| 19:52:08 | captain_proton | i'm off |
| 20:04:47 | m0nG00sE_mAn | does anyone want a game of BZFlag? |
| 20:10:59 | m0nG00sE_mAn | no-one seems to ever respond on this chan |
| 20:13:20 | Chestal | patience is a virtue :-) |
| 21:09:33 | bryman | scary |
| 21:09:48 | bryman | hi |
| 21:10:00 | Chestal | what's scary? |
| 21:10:38 | bryman | me and vogon_jeltz know each other from another server |
| 21:11:02 | bryman | I had no intentions of comming here but somehow here I am |
| 21:11:36 | Chestal | yes, these things happen |
| 21:11:43 | Chestal | it's the same with me and my office every day |
| 21:24:52 | bryman | well I was just dropping in to see what this server was all about |
| 21:24:53 | bryman | cya |
| 21:43:57 | almogaver | hi |
| 22:02:35 | Chestal | hi almo |
| 22:02:38 | Chestal | and god night |
| 22:02:41 | Chestal | eh,good night |
| 22:03:09 | almogaver | good night Chestal |
| 22:04:22 | almogaver | guten abend |
| 22:04:26 | almogaver | is it right? |
| 22:05:04 | Chestal | "guten Abend" is "good evening" |
| 22:05:13 | Chestal | xbot, x de en guten Abend |
| 22:05:21 | Chestal | ibot, x de en guten Abend |
| 22:05:23 | | Chestal: good evening |
| 22:05:41 | Chestal | ibot, x en de good night |
| 22:05:42 | | Chestal: gute Nacht |
| 22:05:47 | | Chestal: de rien |
| 22:05:47 | Chestal | ibot: thanks |
| 22:05:57 | almogaver | i've some problems with that |
| 22:06:24 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:06:27 | almogaver | in spanish you can say "good night" even if you are not going to the bed |
| 22:06:37 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:06:39 | almogaver | i belive in english you can't |
| 22:06:50 | Chestal | I also think so |
| 22:06:52 | Chestal | well, I'm off, cu |
| 22:07:49 | almogaver | guten tag, guten morgen and guten abend, it's all my german ;) |
| 22:08:12 | almogaver | and "ja", "nein" |
| 22:10:17 | scanline | is away: digital logic lab... |
| 22:27:39 | DemonMoose | vogon_jeltz: around? |
| 22:27:58 | vogon_jeltz | theoretically. |
| 22:28:09 | DemonMoose | vogon_jeltz: proton here (over at moose's) |
| 22:28:15 | DemonMoose | vogon_jeltz: got something to show you ;) |
| 22:28:29 | vogon_jeltz | what, pray tell? |
| 22:29:31 | DemonMoose | >Sorry, though I remember David's e-mail, I can't find it. Keep in mind |
| 22:29:31 | DemonMoose | >that I cannot open attachments due to obvious reasons. |
| 22:29:31 | DemonMoose | > |
| 22:29:31 | DemonMoose | >Gene Ray |
| 22:29:44 | DemonMoose | SHA-BLAM! |
| 22:29:44 | vogon_jeltz | hahahahaha. |
| 22:30:12 | DemonMoose | i just fired off another email with the details of what we want |
| 22:31:12 | DemonMoose | i think its gonna be a reality :) |
| 22:31:48 | vogon_jeltz | heh. |
| 22:32:16 | DemonMoose | vogon_jeltz: i'll take pictures of it for you ;) |
| 22:32:28 | vogon_jeltz | slaps the proton. ;) |
| 22:32:39 | vogon_jeltz | wasn't I supposed to get a free one, jerkass? |
| 22:32:48 | DemonMoose | haha yeah |
| 22:36:20 | DemonMoose | is watching lotr |
| 22:56:25 | arathorn | hi all armor knights |
| 22:56:59 | almogaver | bog |
| 22:57:36 | arathorn | bog( that is our sleng for hello) |
| 22:57:58 | MrApathyCream | tag |
| 23:26:54 | blackhound | hello guys |
| 23:27:08 | blackhound | hola almogaver |
| 23:27:19 | blackhound | hi arathorn, Widget |
| 23:27:20 | almogaver | hola blackhound |
| 23:37:16 | Widget | Hi, blackhound. |
| 23:45:42 | arathorn | Buenas Noches black |
| 23:47:13 | blackhound | arathorn: learning spanish? |
| 23:47:46 | arathorn | no to much ..i try:) |
| 23:48:03 | blackhound | you should annoy gerbil to see if he moves his furry tail and we can have a match |
| 23:48:31 | arathorn | lol ok black |
| 23:48:50 | arathorn | ducati is full? |
| 23:48:54 | Widget | Everyone on DALNet come to #esperanto! |
| 23:48:58 | blackhound | I think so |
| 23:50:00 | blackhound | what for? |
| 23:50:03 | blackhound | Widget: |
| 23:50:35 | Widget | Has anyone joined? |
| 23:50:38 | Widget | Who is Eisbar? |
| 23:51:19 | blackhound | me |
| 23:52:22 | Widget | You can speak Esperanto? |
| 23:52:29 | blackhound | no... |