| 00:00:06 | Widget | captain_proton: Not found in the Debian archive. |
| 00:00:34 | captain_proton | ugg |
| 00:00:51 | tAd | heh |
| 00:01:03 | tAd | I like the theams idea |
| 00:01:04 | tAd | :) |
| 00:01:08 | tAd | for bzflag |
| 00:01:33 | captain_proton | Widget: look for pciutils |
| 00:01:36 | jpablo | Widget: got the file ? |
| 00:01:50 | tAd | what file are you sending? |
| 00:01:53 | tAd | :? |
| 00:02:01 | jpablo | some good BZpr0n :-P |
| 00:02:03 | captain_proton | jpablo: 15 more minutes |
| 00:02:06 | captain_proton | is sloooow |
| 00:02:07 | tAd | ah |
| 00:02:08 | tAd | I see |
| 00:02:20 | tAd | of what? |
| 00:02:31 | tAd | :P |
| 00:02:53 | jpablo | tAd: a rain efect for bzflag. |
| 00:03:04 | tAd | ah cool |
| 00:03:12 | tAd | WIDGET? |
| 00:03:19 | tAd | you use darwin? |
| 00:03:33 | tAd | cool |
| 00:03:37 | tAd | ack |
| 00:03:47 | | Apache was last seen on #bzflag 21 hours, 48 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: yepper [Thu Jun 20 03:15:21 2002] |
| 00:03:47 | tAd | ibot seen Apache |
| 00:03:59 | captain_proton | freelancer: no sign of tank |
| 00:04:13 | freelancer | dam |
| 00:04:18 | Apache | I'm here |
| 00:04:21 | tAd | is off to play bzflag |
| 00:04:23 | blackhound | hey Apache |
| 00:04:26 | freelancer | where is moose |
| 00:04:28 | blackhound | join ducati on port 59000 |
| 00:04:38 | OoOoO | hey apache |
| 00:05:06 | Apache | I'm off to join |
| 00:05:30 | freelancer | brb |
| 00:06:20 | OoOoO | jpablo; can you join us now on 59000 ducati |
| 00:06:24 | OoOoO | to ref ? |
| 00:08:55 | jpablo | voy. |
| 00:08:58 | jpablo | i'm there. |
| 00:09:16 | jpablo | where ? |
| 00:09:21 | jpablo | eek, never mind |
| 00:09:33 | freelancer | ducati 5900 |
| 00:09:40 | freelancer | 5900 |
| 00:09:44 | freelancer | 59000 |
| 00:17:14 | captain_proton | ok Widget |
| 00:19:50 | jpablo | how can i changue the player i'm traking ? |
| 00:19:53 | captain_proton | hey MrApathyCream |
| 00:19:54 | jpablo | in observer mode. |
| 00:19:55 | captain_proton | jpablo: f7 |
| 00:19:58 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 00:20:01 | jpablo | ok, tahnks. |
| 00:21:26 | captain_proton | awaits Widget's reaction |
| 00:31:51 | tAd | :) |
| 00:31:54 | captain_proton | WIDGET!!! |
| 00:32:10 | tAd | he is a ref |
| 00:32:13 | tAd | for the game |
| 00:32:15 | captain_proton | oy |
| 00:32:15 | tAd | right now... |
| 00:32:18 | tAd | I think |
| 00:32:26 | captain_proton | how much time is left? |
| 00:32:30 | tAd | um |
| 00:32:31 | tAd | dunno |
| 00:32:35 | tAd | started a while ao |
| 00:32:40 | tAd | ago* |
| 00:35:43 | catalyst_ | 3min left |
| 00:35:57 | tAd | drip, drip, drip, drip, etc |
| 00:37:02 | captain_proton | thanks catalyst_ |
| 00:37:12 | tAd | hmm |
| 00:37:46 | catalyst_ | sure |
| 00:39:04 | freelancer | froot loop breakfast bolw of avengers |
| 00:39:17 | freelancer | bowl |
| 00:39:27 | Widget | Very nice. |
| 00:39:33 | jpablo | avengers: want to play vs GUGLMty ? |
| 00:39:50 | Apache | I don't know after that.. |
| 00:39:50 | captain_proton | Widget: just imagine when it has sound too - you'll be peeing all day ;) |
| 00:39:58 | tAd | harhar |
| 00:40:00 | tAd | hmm |
| 00:40:09 | tAd | how do you make it run? |
| 00:40:14 | Widget | captain_proton: Why is there nothing in the bin directory? |
| 00:40:20 | tAd | just conmpile it in there? |
| 00:40:22 | captain_proton | Widget: did you build it? |
| 00:40:22 | Widget | captain_proton: Never mind. |
| 00:40:23 | OoOoO | Good match avengers, you guys played tough |
| 00:40:39 | Apache | too funny |
| 00:40:46 | OoOoO | Widget, did you relay the score to Captain P. |
| 00:40:52 | Widget | captain_proton: 7-0. |
| 00:40:59 | tAd | HAHA!!! |
| 00:41:01 | tAd | er |
| 00:41:02 | tAd | sorry |
| 00:41:07 | captain_proton | Widget: in favor of the avengers?? |
| 00:41:07 | tAd | nice game... |
| 00:41:12 | OoOoO | ha ha captain |
| 00:41:22 | OoOoO | FrOot LoOps 7 |
| 00:41:28 | freelancer | 1st 15 min was close |
| 00:41:31 | OoOoO | very close |
| 00:41:32 | jpablo | Apache, blackhound: so you want to play us ? |
| 00:41:45 | OoOoO | that 1st and second score was very tough |
| 00:41:48 | Widget | OoOoO: I notice from the match standings that the FrOoT LoOps have lost their reputation of not letting their opponents score a single capture. |
| 00:41:59 | Widget | OoOoO: I think GUGLmty scored against you, yes? |
| 00:42:06 | Apache | don't know if they are still around |
| 00:42:14 | OoOoO | yeah, just 1 though in all our matches, 4 or 5 i forget |
| 00:42:18 | OoOoO | 4 i think. |
| 00:42:21 | jpablo | humm. |
| 00:42:38 | Widget | OoOoO: So, I suppose you're all too scared to play The Moles%A, eh? |
| 00:42:43 | Widget | OoOoO: So, I suppose you're all too scared to play The Moles, eh? |
| 00:42:47 | OoOoO | thx for reffing widget, jpablo |
| 00:42:52 | jpablo | np. |
| 00:42:54 | Widget | NP. |
| 00:42:57 | jpablo | Apache: so are you still complete. |
| 00:42:58 | captain_proton | results entered |
| 00:43:04 | blackhound | Apache hey |
| 00:43:06 | OoOoO | aaah, we are undefeated, they lost one. |
| 00:43:08 | Apache | yo |
| 00:43:13 | OoOoO | thx Captain |
| 00:43:22 | Widget | OoOoO: But they played TLZ before and won 11-1. |
| 00:43:31 | OoOoO | yes i Know. |
| 00:43:32 | blackhound | jpablo when? |
| 00:43:34 | Widget | OoOoO: They must have had a bad day. |
| 00:43:36 | OoOoO | we will play them dont worry |
| 00:43:42 | blackhound | sorry I was talking to ski on ducati |
| 00:43:43 | jpablo | blackhound: now. |
| 00:43:45 | OoOoO | it will be a battle |
| 00:43:48 | OoOoO | i predict a tie |
| 00:43:53 | jpablo | blackhound: we are ready now. |
| 00:44:07 | Widget | OoOoO: I do not. |
| 00:44:20 | blackhound | Apache would you play? |
| 00:44:38 | Apache | sure |
| 00:45:04 | blackhound | let's wait for ski |
| 00:45:08 | jpablo | ok. |
| 00:45:08 | blackhound | we will come any minute now |
| 00:45:20 | Apache | K |
| 00:46:09 | ski | im here |
| 00:46:11 | jpablo | ok. |
| 00:46:12 | ski | <sigh> |
| 00:46:16 | blackhound | ski jpablo wants a match against us now |
| 00:46:17 | ski | damn loops...hehe |
| 00:46:28 | ski | k |
| 00:46:42 | ski | when? |
| 00:46:46 | blackhound | right now |
| 00:46:48 | blackhound | hehe |
| 00:46:52 | ski | hmmm |
| 00:46:59 | ski | ok with me, Apache? |
| 00:47:09 | jpablo | okl. |
| 00:47:11 | blackhound | yeah, he will play |
| 00:47:22 | jpablo | ok, ducati 59000 ? |
| 00:47:27 | blackhound | ok |
| 00:47:29 | ski | one more spankin today will be ok...lol |
| 00:47:33 | ski | ok |
| 00:47:35 | jpablo | we are green! |
| 00:47:47 | ski | cya there |
| 00:47:56 | ski | whose ref? |
| 00:48:59 | blackhound | Apache wake up |
| 00:49:07 | Apache | oops |
| 00:49:21 | blackhound | we need a ref |
| 00:49:26 | blackhound | Widget? :) |
| 00:49:56 | Apache | I'm all in dog |
| 00:49:59 | Widget | blackhound: I am compiling something. |
| 00:50:20 | captain_proton | eagerly awaits Widget's inevitable wetting of himself |
| 00:50:31 | OoOoO | i will ref |
| 00:50:35 | OoOoO | just need a minute |
| 00:50:36 | MrApathyCream | ;0 |
| 00:50:53 | captain_proton | actually - Widget: lemme send you an updated .bzg |
| 00:50:54 | blackhound | ok |
| 00:51:03 | blackhound | thanks |
| 00:51:36 | captain_proton | Widget: throw that in your data dir |
| 00:54:02 | jpablo | Widget: can you ref ? |
| 00:54:05 | jpablo | we need a ref. |
| 00:54:07 | Widget | captain_proton: OK, thanks. |
| 00:54:38 | captain_proton | quick Widget |
| 00:54:43 | captain_proton | hurry and look at it |
| 00:54:43 | captain_proton | i gotta go |
| 00:54:55 | tAd | lol |
| 00:55:07 | Widget | captain_proton: I saw it. |
| 00:55:11 | Widget | captain_proton: Where is the rain? |
| 00:55:19 | captain_proton | Widget: not in-game |
| 00:55:26 | captain_proton | bin/bzgview data/particles-test3.bzg |
| 00:55:50 | tAd | bzgview? |
| 00:55:51 | Widget | captain_proton: Oooooooh. Very cool. |
| 00:55:53 | tAd | whats that do? |
| 00:56:00 | captain_proton | tAd: views a bzflag model |
| 00:56:04 | tAd | really? |
| 00:56:06 | tAd | cool |
| 00:56:09 | captain_proton | ok, now i can leave |
| 00:56:14 | captain_proton | see yas |
| 00:56:21 | tAd | cya |
| 00:58:41 | Widget | Bye. |
| 01:26:17 | jpablo | we win ! |
| 01:26:17 | OoOoO | hey Captain , match results ok |
| 01:26:27 | catalyst_ | i think he left |
| 01:26:27 | OoOoO | GUGLMty 5, avengers 2 |
| 01:26:41 | catalyst_ | loop: i don't think he is here |
| 01:27:10 | OoOoO | ok, i will send a note to chestal ok GUGLMty |
| 01:27:17 | jpablo | ok. |
| 01:27:24 | OoOoO | no one else here i dont think who can update it |
| 01:27:42 | OoOoO | Avengers, you guys came back strong, it was 3-2 at one point |
| 01:27:45 | jpablo | maybe BZFlag? |
| 01:27:51 | blackhound | yeah :/ |
| 01:28:32 | blackhound | OoOoO you had a hard time for the second point, then it was like a walk by the beach hehe |
| 01:28:46 | OoOoO | well, you guys played well though. |
| 01:29:23 | jpablo | well, anyother team here ? |
| 01:31:26 | ski | good game all |
| 01:31:38 | blackhound | yeah good games |
| 01:31:52 | blackhound | see you guys |
| 01:31:59 | OoOoO | bye blackhound |
| 01:32:36 | ski | gotta go.. later all. till next time..hehe |
| 01:32:47 | OoOoO | bye ski |
| 01:35:27 | jpablo | OoOoO: is your team complete ? |
| 01:36:51 | OoOoO | no, only me left |
| 01:36:53 | OoOoO | sorry |
| 01:36:58 | jpablo | ok. |
| 01:37:14 | OoOoO | but we want to play again next week sometime alright jpablo |
| 01:37:26 | jpablo | ok. |
| 01:37:33 | jpablo | as i say we are almost always here. |
| 01:38:16 | jpablo | the bzflagin never stop in the GUGLMty house. |
| 02:04:32 | BZFrank | hi |
| 02:06:07 | Guardian | Hi |
| 02:06:45 | BZFrank | hi |
| 02:07:23 | Guardian | My server is back up. |
| 02:07:39 | Guardian | I finally found out what the problem was. |
| 02:08:28 | Guardian | The IP of the computer I have to login to to get my internet connection changed, so my automated script was very confused. |
| 02:08:35 | Guardian | But it is all worked out. |
| 02:09:14 | BZFrank | ? |
| 02:09:26 | Guardian | What? |
| 02:10:49 | BZFrank | I don't know the context you are talking about... ? |
| 02:11:20 | Guardian | My bzflag server.... |
| 02:11:27 | Guardian | on my server box |
| 02:12:45 | BZFrank | ah ;) |
| 02:15:06 | ski | i have a question about e6... |
| 02:16:01 | iLLf8d | hey all |
| 02:16:10 | BZFrank | hi |
| 02:16:14 | iLLf8d | anyone know the rand I want for c++ function? |
| 02:16:23 | iLLf8d | apropos random came out with about 60 choices |
| 02:16:44 | iLLf8d | man 3 rand |
| 02:16:46 | iLLf8d | I got it =) |
| 02:16:51 | iLLf8d | lo frank how goes it |
| 02:17:05 | BZFrank | good thanks! :) |
| 02:17:09 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 02:17:10 | ski | anyone familiar with e6? |
| 02:17:20 | iLLf8d | wonders if theres a counterpart in io... |
| 02:17:31 | BZFrank | random() looks pretty good for me |
| 02:17:40 | iLLf8d | whats the module? |
| 02:17:45 | iLLf8d | stdlib.h? |
| 02:17:50 | iLLf8d | thats a c m odule isn't it? |
| 02:18:00 | iLLf8d | heh typos |
| 02:18:02 | BZFrank | sure |
| 02:18:03 | iLLf8d | c module I mean |
| 02:18:09 | iLLf8d | is there a c++ counterpart |
| 02:18:25 | BZFrank | why? what is wrong with using a C function in C++? |
| 02:18:30 | iLLf8d | making a tree generator progie |
| 02:18:36 | iLLf8d | nothing =) |
| 02:18:41 | BZFrank | see :) |
| 02:18:59 | iLLf8d | I made a castle |
| 02:19:04 | BZFrank | ski: sorry, no e6 here, the transparency sucks too hard ;) |
| 02:19:05 | iLLf8d | I wan't to fill in the area outside with trees |
| 02:19:47 | BZFrank | when you are talking trees you want to create a real 'tree' or a tree data structure? |
| 02:20:30 | iLLf8d | oh just basics |
| 02:20:34 | iLLf8d | a pyramid with a trunk |
| 02:20:40 | iLLf8d | in a certain range randomly places |
| 02:20:50 | BZFrank | ah |
| 02:20:53 | iLLf8d | s/places/placed |
| 02:20:56 | iLLf8d | checkout uhm |
| 02:21:39 | BZFrank | well, should be easy, just use an l-system for the tree branches and map pyramids on them |
| 02:22:27 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 02:22:51 | iLLf8d | I'm going more basic my worlds chew up vidcards for breakfast as it is the way the current codebase is implemented |
| 02:23:30 | BZFrank | or for something easier, calculate a random distance, split into N branches, repeat for each branch until depth is K |
| 02:23:34 | drs | is back (gone 01:34:54) |
| 02:24:21 | BZFrank | my trees don't need this ;) |
| 02:24:39 | BZFrank | it even runs ok with several 100 of them... |
| 02:25:07 | iLLf8d | yeah I dunno why those other ones freak out |
| 02:25:36 | iLLf8d | hey anyone know how to define only 2 teams and 2 bases for ctf |
| 02:25:44 | iLLf8d | seems the server bitches when the others aren't defined |
| 02:26:09 | BZFrank | don't know, so much is hardwired in BZFlag.... |
| 02:26:13 | iLLf8d | also I have a few map pieces at the same height but can't driveover the crossover (never happened to me before) dunno why |
| 02:27:02 | BZFrank | most like a collision dectection thing |
| 02:28:30 | BZFrank | May I ask you something off topic? |
| 02:28:53 | tAd | sure... |
| 02:28:58 | tAd | :P |
| 02:30:05 | iLLf8d | don't think they care much shoot |
| 02:30:26 | BZFrank | what would you prefer: a) an early release of Project 2501 without listserver implemented or b) a more final release with a running listserver |
| 02:30:57 | iLLf8d | listserv just shows availabe servers |
| 02:31:01 | iLLf8d | ? |
| 02:31:07 | tAd | um |
| 02:31:12 | tAd | a |
| 02:31:16 | tAd | I would like a |
| 02:31:19 | iLLf8d | I'd think a webpage with the servers listed would suffice assuming ports remain static |
| 02:31:34 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:31:39 | iLLf8d | one html page with x no of servers wouldn't be an issue |
| 02:31:41 | BZFrank | yes, like find servers in bz |
| 02:31:58 | tAd | how soon will 2501 come out? |
| 02:32:08 | BZFrank | well, it is running here ;) |
| 02:32:12 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:32:13 | iLLf8d | BZFrank: is that gonna be opensourced? |
| 02:32:14 | tAd | heh |
| 02:32:44 | BZFrank | yes, except for one file that controls client/server authetication and packet encryption |
| 02:32:58 | tAd | ah? |
| 02:33:00 | tAd | why? |
| 02:33:02 | tAd | cheating? |
| 02:33:03 | BZFrank | so everyone can build clients and servers and connect to them |
| 02:33:20 | BZFrank | but only a closed group of developers can release 'blessed' clients and servers |
| 02:33:24 | tAd | oh! |
| 02:33:29 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:33:30 | BZFrank | alike nettrek is doing |
| 02:33:35 | BZFrank | yes, cheating |
| 02:33:36 | tAd | nettreke? |
| 02:33:44 | tAd | whats that? |
| 02:33:59 | BZFrank | nettrek is a 2d networked action game... |
| 02:34:04 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:34:06 | tAd | cool |
| 02:34:09 | tAd | windowz? |
| 02:34:18 | BZFrank | they are plagued by cleaters since a long time |
| 02:34:22 | BZFrank | also opensource |
| 02:34:24 | tAd | heh |
| 02:34:31 | tAd | like bzflag... |
| 02:34:38 | BZFrank | http://www.netrek.org/ |
| 02:34:50 | tAd | thx |
| 02:35:04 | BZFrank | yes, similar but 2d and of course different ;) |
| 02:35:15 | tAd | lol |
| 02:35:45 | iLLf8d | BZFrank: thats all well and good but someone will figure out how to crack it anyway |
| 02:35:51 | tAd | heh |
| 02:35:53 | tAd | but... |
| 02:36:00 | iLLf8d | they always do |
| 02:36:11 | iLLf8d | I'm not a cheater but I think they're a fact of online gaming |
| 02:36:11 | BZFrank | sure, they can try, but the effort will be high |
| 02:36:13 | iLLf8d | sorry to say |
| 02:36:14 | tAd | if you could build into it a server/client update... |
| 02:36:22 | tAd | that would update itself |
| 02:36:36 | iLLf8d | server admins and helpers are the answer imho |
| 02:36:38 | tAd | then you could run around the, |
| 02:36:43 | tAd | them* |
| 02:36:49 | iLLf8d | they're gonna try that karma deally we'll see what happens with that |
| 02:37:11 | tAd | hehe |
| 02:37:26 | BZFrank | this was already experienced with netrek and other games |
| 02:37:34 | BZFrank | and server admins did not help there |
| 02:37:41 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:37:50 | BZFrank | so the technical level for a cheater must be raised |
| 02:37:53 | tAd | tough |
| 02:37:57 | tAd | :P |
| 02:38:15 | tAd | but why wont the karma thing not work? |
| 02:38:34 | BZFrank | need some kind of karma control ;) |
| 02:38:42 | iLLf8d | any suggestions on how to generate a random num w/in a range ? |
| 02:38:42 | tAd | hmmm |
| 02:38:48 | tAd | um |
| 02:38:53 | iLLf8d | say 0 - 400 or 0 - 200 |
| 02:38:53 | tAd | I know.... |
| 02:38:57 | BZFrank | in a decentralized server world of bz (and p2501) this won'T do |
| 02:38:58 | iLLf8d | theres gotta be an easy way |
| 02:38:59 | | 4678 |
| 02:38:59 | tAd | ibot random_number |
| 02:39:02 | tAd | see? |
| 02:39:13 | tAd | :P |
| 02:39:22 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 02:39:22 | BZFrank | random()%RANGE |
| 02:39:26 | | tAd: excuse me? |
| 02:39:26 | tAd | ibot random_number 0-400 |
| 02:39:30 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:39:42 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 02:39:45 | iLLf8d | didn't know you had that too |
| 02:39:50 | iLLf8d | I was looking at rand heh |
| 02:39:56 | tAd | hehe |
| 02:40:01 | BZFrank | rand() % RANGE |
| 02:40:01 | iLLf8d | I never know what I have on system |
| 02:40:11 | tAd | hmmm |
| 02:43:11 | tAd | well |
| 02:43:15 | tAd | bed time... |
| 02:43:17 | tAd | cya l8r |
| 02:43:38 | tAd | hope you get p2501 out tomorrow OK |
| 02:43:49 | tAd | :P |
| 02:43:53 | Widget | /delete tAd |
| 02:43:59 | tAd | ack! |
| 02:44:01 | Widget | Curses. It didn't work. |
| 02:44:04 | tAd | no no!! |
| 02:44:10 | tAd | just kiddin!!1 |
| 02:44:19 | BZFrank | why tomorrow? |
| 02:44:22 | tAd | um |
| 02:44:33 | Widget | England v. Brazil to-day! I'm sure you'll all be watching! |
| 02:44:35 | tAd | cuz I want to see it... |
| 02:44:36 | tAd | :) |
| 02:44:39 | BZFrank | lol |
| 02:44:40 | tAd | just kidding |
| 02:45:10 | ski | ......... |
| 02:45:16 | tAd | bah |
| 02:45:16 | tAd | ok |
| 02:45:20 | tAd | off to bed.... |
| 02:45:22 | BZFrank | don't expect too much, it won't cure aids or world hunger ;) |
| 02:45:29 | tAd | dont give a flip about sport.... |
| 02:45:37 | tAd | BZFrank: hehe |
| 02:45:45 | ski | hi widget |
| 02:46:15 | Widget | Hi, ski. |
| 02:46:18 | BZFrank | need to work on some models however |
| 02:46:25 | tAd | heh |
| 02:46:30 | tAd | but does it work? |
| 02:46:35 | ski | decided to stop here b4 bed |
| 02:46:41 | ski | zzzzzzzz |
| 02:46:44 | BZFrank | anyone willing to create some tank models? |
| 02:46:48 | tAd | no |
| 02:46:50 | tAd | I cant |
| 02:46:55 | BZFrank | why? |
| 02:46:56 | tAd | dont have any software.... |
| 02:47:00 | tAd | heh |
| 02:47:09 | BZFrank | GMAX is free |
| 02:47:18 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 02:47:24 | tAd | ?? |
| 02:47:25 | iLLf8d | that random num is random? |
| 02:47:25 | tAd | GMAX? |
| 02:47:27 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 02:47:30 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:47:34 | iLLf8d | its generating the same number every time heh |
| 02:47:40 | BZFrank | http://www.discreet.com/products/gmax/ |
| 02:47:44 | tAd | I will check that out tomorrow.... |
| 02:47:46 | tAd | but now |
| 02:47:47 | tAd | bed |
| 02:47:51 | BZFrank | windows only, but NICE |
| 02:47:51 | tAd | ah |
| 02:47:53 | tAd | thx |
| 02:48:00 | tAd | wow |
| 02:48:00 | BZFrank | slepp well |
| 02:48:03 | tAd | :) |
| 02:48:14 | tAd | hmm |
| 02:48:24 | tAd | I 'could' try making tanks.... |
| 02:48:39 | tAd | but no promises |
| 02:48:47 | BZFrank | send them to me if you do... ;) |
| 02:49:07 | tAd | ok |
| 02:49:10 | tAd | sure willl |
| 02:49:23 | BZFrank | In p2501 there are no "colors" |
| 02:49:29 | tAd | ?? |
| 02:49:31 | tAd | why? |
| 02:49:42 | BZFrank | but each member of a team has the same tank model ;) |
| 02:49:50 | tAd | ah |
| 02:49:51 | tAd | cool |
| 02:50:06 | BZFrank | still you can color the models to give back the old way ;) |
| 02:50:28 | tAd | heh |
| 02:50:29 | tAd | ok |
| 02:50:33 | tAd | I am off |
| 02:50:42 | BZFrank | cu |
| 02:51:35 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 02:51:45 | iLLf8d | rand isn't giving me a random number whats up with that |
| 02:52:18 | BZFrank | but each start the same numbers... that is intended |
| 02:53:06 | BZFrank | just call srand(time(0)); sometimes during program startup |
| 02:55:29 | Widget | ENG-GRRRRRRR-LAND!!!!!! |
| 02:55:49 | BZFrank | ? |
| 02:56:02 | Widget | You will all be watching England v. Brazil today? |
| 02:57:25 | BZFrank | no ;) |
| 02:57:55 | captain_proton | yoyo |
| 02:58:03 | Widget | captain_proton: Just a few hours until Germany defeats you. |
| 02:58:18 | captain_proton | haha |
| 02:58:24 | Widget | 8 and a half to be precise. |
| 02:58:41 | captain_proton | Widget: go find me a .wav of rain |
| 02:58:54 | captain_proton | =} |
| 03:00:56 | Widget | captain_proton: http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/sounds.html |
| 03:01:01 | captain_proton | i intend to make your bladder an impact on your game ;) |
| 03:01:07 | Widget | captain_proton: Numbers 13 and 14. |
| 03:02:11 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 03:02:17 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:02:37 | iLLf8d | same numbers? its the same number exactly |
| 03:02:51 | iLLf8d | I need to generate multipe random numbers within a range |
| 03:02:51 | Widget | The light one is probably what you're looking for. |
| 03:03:00 | iLLf8d | I'm trying to make a tree generator for bzflag maps |
| 03:03:12 | captain_proton | Widget: probably - the thunder ones might be good too =D |
| 03:03:39 | captain_proton | i remember reading a tutorial somewhere on drawing realistic lightning in opengl |
| 03:03:48 | Widget | captain_proton: The light rain one has thunder in it. |
| 03:04:20 | captain_proton | i'm in need of something i can loop |
| 03:04:35 | Widget | You can't loop that? |
| 03:04:51 | captain_proton | lemme listen to them |
| 03:05:01 | Widget | #13, methinks, is the best. |
| 03:05:08 | Widget | But look at #14 as well. |
| 03:05:25 | captain_proton | no i can't loop something that short if its got thunder |
| 03:05:31 | captain_proton | maybe if i cut out the thunder from that |
| 03:06:00 | Widget | Hm... |
| 03:06:01 | Widget | Yes. |
| 03:09:26 | BZFrank | iLLf8d: no, not the *same* number, only the same sequence |
| 03:10:40 | captain_proton | the first 2.5 seconds seems to work well |
| 03:10:59 | Widget | captain_proton: Woohoo. |
| 03:11:05 | Widget | Hm..... ducati in rain. That would be interesting. |
| 03:11:07 | captain_proton | the thunder continues rumbling until the end of the sample so taking out something from the end doesn't work |
| 03:11:16 | Widget | captain_proton: Will it only hamper visibility, or will it reduce traction, etc? |
| 03:11:25 | captain_proton | Widget: for now, just visibility |
| 03:11:46 | captain_proton | though i'd like to see it alter the friction |
| 03:11:53 | Widget | captain_proton: It won't really affect people like iLLf8d who overuse the radar. |
| 03:12:13 | captain_proton | not ment to really affect your game |
| 03:12:17 | captain_proton | meant primarily as eye candy |
| 03:14:50 | BZFrank | how do you draw the rain effect? |
| 03:15:28 | captain_proton | Widget: care to send frank that tarball? |
| 03:16:14 | captain_proton | using a particle system |
| 03:17:42 | BZFrank | ah |
| 03:18:16 | captain_proton | one could even theoretically texture the ground to make puddles & stuff |
| 03:18:21 | captain_proton | animated textures of course |
| 03:19:42 | BZFrank | yep, but that is only looking good if a tank is actually 'splashing' though the poodles ;) I figured that too much work for now |
| 03:20:24 | captain_proton | splashing through poodles? |
| 03:20:53 | BZFrank | water displacement when driving through |
| 03:21:03 | captain_proton | yeah - i'll be happy enough once its in-game and it just disappears at the ground |
| 03:21:11 | captain_proton | but - 'poodles'? ;) |
| 03:21:13 | Guardian | Widget stay away from ChristianAnswers.net that place is bad for you |
| 03:21:29 | captain_proton | Guardian: they had a good recording of rain |
| 03:21:36 | BZFrank | well it is 5:25 and i need some sleep ;) |
| 03:21:40 | Guardian | Yeah I saw |
| 03:21:54 | captain_proton | 'night frank |
| 03:22:04 | captain_proton | or - not going yet? |
| 03:22:17 | captain_proton | just an excuse? |
| 03:22:40 | BZFrank | later |
| 03:22:53 | BZFrank | no excuse, need to go really ;) |
| 03:22:58 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:23:28 | BZFrank | cu |
| 03:23:50 | captain_proton | wants the opportunity to splash through poodles |
| 03:23:51 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:24:05 | iLLf8d | reads rand manpage again I think i'm missing something |
| 03:29:30 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:29:34 | iLLf8d | just figured out the problem |
| 03:29:49 | iLLf8d | my editor isn't saving the source code in the right place i'm running and old version heh |
| 03:29:50 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 03:38:32 | Widget | Guardian: What about ChristianAnswers.net? |
| 03:38:40 | Widget | Guardian: Oh, the recording. |
| 03:39:44 | captain_proton | like? |
| 03:40:02 | Widget | I need to play it first. |
| 03:40:09 | iLLf8d | yeah that did it heh |
| 03:40:14 | iLLf8d | kicks gvim |
| 03:40:23 | iLLf8d | dunno why it wasn't writing the file |
| 03:40:33 | captain_proton | you need to do :w |
| 03:41:07 | iLLf8d | luckily I had a bug in the output I fixed in the code |
| 03:41:14 | iLLf8d | or i'd have been there another 20 min heh |
| 03:44:21 | jpablo | captain_proton: |
| 03:45:36 | Widget | captain_proton: Hm... it's not entirely clear if it's rain or not. |
| 03:45:46 | Widget | captain_proton: But probably with the visual effects, it'll be obvious. |
| 04:06:39 | captain_proton | Widget: yep |
| 04:06:55 | captain_proton | now if i could only get it to show up with the real renderer |
| 04:07:41 | captain_proton | ooh nice - that rain demo uses 1000 particles at a time |
| 04:08:01 | captain_proton | a geforce256 can handle 10000 no problem... |
| 04:17:41 | Widget | Gr....... |
| 04:17:45 | Widget | Mine probably can't. |
| 04:19:43 | captain_proton | what do you have? |
| 04:30:24 | Widget | captain_proton: Some TNT AGP somefink. |
| 04:38:40 | captain_proton | OMFG |
| 04:42:11 | Widget | captain_proton: What? What? |
| 04:43:22 | captain_proton | it works with the real renderer now |
| 04:43:31 | Widget | Ooooooooh. |
| 04:51:58 | captain_proton | ergg |
| 04:52:09 | captain_proton | i need a picture of a water droplet against a transparent background |
| 05:03:21 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:03:24 | captain_proton | BZFlag: opinion on something? |
| 05:04:45 | BZFlag | on what? |
| 05:04:54 | captain_proton | weather |
| 05:05:32 | captain_proton | for things like rain, it takes way too much processor power to do it on a global level, so i was thinking about throwing a local system in front of the tank |
| 05:05:50 | captain_proton | but that means hard-coding in the positioning of effects |
| 05:06:57 | BZFlag | I'd be happy with fog and mode clouds and no actual rain. |
| 05:07:03 | BZFlag | er more clouds. |
| 05:09:34 | captain_proton | hmm - we'll see if you agree after you see it |
| 05:10:45 | BZFlag | It sounds cool, I just meant I'd likely turn off rain for actual playing cause I expect it will impact the speed to much. |
| 05:11:20 | captain_proton | well - thats why i want to do it localized |
| 05:11:31 | captain_proton | it only draws 1000 or so particles right in front of your view |
| 05:11:38 | BZFlag | the local system should be in front of the viewport, so it works on roaming modes. you have thought of that right? |
| 05:12:35 | captain_proton | thats what i was thinking about |
| 05:14:03 | captain_proton | but - doing weather effects like that is acceptable? |
| 05:14:20 | captain_proton | i'd like to see some extraneous protocol options for the server controlling the client weather state =D |
| 05:14:57 | captain_proton | server keeps tracks of which clients want the weather info |
| 05:15:04 | captain_proton | so you don't send it to people who turn it off |
| 05:15:36 | captain_proton | someone here have a bzflag-friendly gimp? |
| 05:15:38 | iLLf8d | ROFLMAO |
| 05:15:44 | iLLf8d | I just filled in my castle field with trees |
| 05:15:52 | iLLf8d | now I get a screamin 14fps with a gf2mx heh |
| 05:16:07 | Widget | LMAO? |
| 05:16:08 | Widget | El Mao! |
| 05:16:17 | Widget | El Mao Zedong!!! |
| 05:16:34 | captain_proton | Widget: shaddup - got gimp? |
| 05:16:56 | Widget | captain_proton: Not on this computer. What do you need it for? |
| 05:17:07 | Guardian | I have gimp |
| 05:17:17 | captain_proton | Widget: mine can't save bzflag-friendly pngs |
| 05:17:22 | Widget | OK. |
| 05:18:04 | Guardian | But I have to use it through VNC, which is slow even over 100mb |
| 05:18:30 | Widget | I can save it for you. |
| 05:18:31 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/droplet.xcf |
| 05:18:35 | captain_proton | plz convert that to png |
| 05:18:39 | iLLf8d | checkout the long load time field anyone =) |
| 05:18:43 | BZFlag | captain_proton: huh? why not? |
| 05:18:51 | Widget | Woohoo. I'm on X-Chat 1.9! |
| 05:18:55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: dunno - anytime i try to do something with transparecy i get big white boxes |
| 05:19:08 | captain_proton | instead of the picture |
| 05:19:30 | BZFlag | hmm... perhaps bz's png does not handle tranparency? hmm.... |
| 05:19:41 | BZFlag | The fonts at least have transparency. |
| 05:20:02 | BZFlag | can you "file" both images and see if the format is different? |
| 05:20:04 | captain_proton | so do the mountains |
| 05:20:15 | BZFlag | oh yeah, mountians too. |
| 05:21:11 | BZFlag | unable to locate server: jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org |
| 05:21:38 | Widget | jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org: Host not found. |
| 05:22:12 | captain_proton | wtf? |
| 05:22:31 | captain_proton | http://161.97.204.99/~jupiter/droplet.xcf |
| 05:24:10 | Widget | Connecting to 161.97.204.99:80... connected! |
| 05:24:10 | Widget | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 05:24:10 | Widget | 22:35:20 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 05:25:25 | captain_proton | what the hell is going on? |
| 05:26:35 | captain_proton | wgets fine for me |
| 05:26:52 | Widget | Well, you're speshul, then. |
| 05:27:28 | iLLf8d | uhm anyone ever answer before? how do I run a 2 team ctf field? seems the server bombs on load if the other 2 teams bases aren't defined and the options to join the other 2 teams are still there? |
| 05:27:29 | BZFlag | The requested URL /general.css was not found on this server. |
| 05:28:41 | Widget | iLLf8d: Use -cr. |
| 05:28:52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: don't get the index page, just droplet.xcf |
| 05:29:00 | captain_proton | normally the page is vhosted |
| 05:29:40 | BZFlag | captain_proton: it sends in text/plain and cf/lf hoses it. |
| 05:30:00 | BZFlag | or perhaps it's just not compatible with my version of gimp? |
| 05:30:13 | iLLf8d | Widget: that won't work |
| 05:30:13 | iLLf8d | I want to use a custom world and only 2 teams and only 2 flagbases |
| 05:30:13 | Widget | captain_proton: I got it. |
| 05:30:13 | Widget | Your image should be exported before it can be saved for the following reasons: PNG can't handle layers. |
| 05:30:19 | BZFlag | iLLf8d: define all the bases. then use -cr to remove some. |
| 05:30:20 | Widget | iLLf8d: It worked for me. |
| 05:30:26 | captain_proton | bzfs -cr -b -h -mp 0,3,3,0,0 -ms 2 +r -p 59000 -pr 59001 -password xxxx -requireudp -time 1800 -mo 4 |
| 05:30:31 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 05:30:33 | Widget | iLLf8d: See? I told you!!! |
| 05:30:48 | Widget | captain_proton: Save background colour? |
| 05:31:06 | captain_proton | Widget: not sure - i *think* so |
| 05:31:24 | iLLf8d | ah hmm |
| 05:31:37 | captain_proton | Widget: firewall? NAT? |
| 05:31:38 | Widget | captain_proton: Accept, you. |
| 05:31:44 | iLLf8d | the description is screwy then |
| 05:31:45 | iLLf8d | -cr: capture-the-flag style game with random world |
| 05:31:46 | Widget | captain_proton: Hm. |
| 05:31:52 | captain_proton | --- DCC RECV connect attempt to Widget failed (err=No route to host). |
| 05:32:05 | MrApathyCream | iLLf8d: it makes sure the obstacles are balanced |
| 05:32:20 | Widget | http://home.attbi.com/~ulumuri/droplet.png |
| 05:32:28 | Widget | I shouldn't be using my friend's website, so hurry up! |
| 05:33:01 | | that is the point you dumb idiot |
| 05:33:01 | MrApathyCream | what's that? |
| 05:33:13 | | :) |
| 05:33:13 | Widget | ibot: botsnack |
| 05:33:30 | Widget | captain_proton: http://home.attbi.com/~ulumuri/droplet.png |
| 05:34:39 | Widget | captain_proton: Did you get it yet? |
| 05:34:46 | captain_proton | Widget: yep |
| 05:34:51 | captain_proton | works like a charm =/ |
| 05:35:08 | Widget | Woohoo. |
| 05:35:20 | captain_proton | Widget: ok, you are now officially my png bitch |
| 05:35:27 | Widget | Sigh... |
| 05:35:41 | Widget | But I'm off to watch England v. Brazil in 45 minutes! |
| 05:35:42 | captain_proton | Widget: relax - you get to help me do cool things, like rain =D |
| 05:35:58 | Widget | watches captain_proton rain. |
| 05:36:05 | Widget | captain_proton reigns. |
| 05:36:21 | Widget | Do they call dinner 'cena' in Spanish as well |
| 05:36:21 | Widget | ? |
| 05:36:29 | Widget | I know 'cena' is dinner in both Latin and italian. |
| 05:36:38 | Widget | It seems to be in Spanish as well, as indicated by kheb_cena. |
| 05:37:47 | Widget | addresseeeditorwidget.cpp |
| 05:52:57 | jpablo | yeah cena is dinner. |
| 05:53:06 | Widget | Oh. |
| 05:53:13 | Widget | So in Spanish, Italian and Latin. |
| 05:53:33 | jpablo | Widget: can i have the cp source ? |
| 05:53:55 | Widget | What's CP? |
| 05:54:04 | jpablo | captain_proton: |
| 05:54:21 | Widget | My direwall blocks DCC send. |
| 05:54:24 | Widget | Er... |
| 05:54:26 | Widget | Firewall. |
| 05:54:39 | jpablo | i see. |
| 05:54:46 | jpablo | can you mail it ? |
| 05:54:52 | Widget | OK. |
| 05:54:56 | Widget | It's rather large, though. |
| 05:55:02 | Widget | I'm not sure if hotmail will accept it |
| 05:55:04 | jpablo | no problem. |
| 05:55:08 | jpablo | jpablo@gnome.org |
| 05:57:07 | Widget | You need the particles source tree, yes? |
| 06:01:39 | jpablo | 30 megs ? |
| 06:01:39 | Widget | Er...... 3 megs. |
| 06:01:41 | jpablo | you have netcat ? |
| 06:01:41 | Widget | jpablo: What is netcat? |
| 06:01:41 | jpablo | the 'nc' command. |
| 06:01:56 | jpablo | apt-get install netcat :-P |
| 06:02:04 | Widget | I don't use Debian. |
| 06:02:08 | Widget | OS X. |
| 06:02:56 | jpablo | ... |
| 06:02:58 | jpablo | humm. |
| 06:03:07 | jpablo | how else can you send a file ? |
| 06:03:28 | MrApathyCream | dang i hate losing textures |
| 06:03:45 | jpablo | MrApathyCream: i have seen that bug too ... |
| 06:04:05 | jpablo | Widget: can't you upload the file somewhere? |
| 06:04:22 | Widget | jpablo: I don't have ftp access anywhere. :( |
| 06:04:43 | jpablo | i can't setup a ftp here i'm behind a firewall too. |
| 06:10:13 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:10:41 | jpablo | what's up? |
| 06:10:50 | captain_proton | whats the best place to put the weather stuff? |
| 06:12:46 | captain_proton | i'm thinking in the World class |
| 06:12:47 | captain_proton | but maybe not |
| 06:21:46 | onthemark | hello all |
| 06:26:38 | iLLf8d | lo mark |
| 06:26:44 | iLLf8d | oops he gone |
| 06:26:46 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:29:28 | goofey | helps if I spell it right... :) |
| 06:32:29 | Guardian | I am here |
| 06:32:39 | Guardian | But only for a moment longer. |
| 06:32:47 | captain_proton | if this works, there will be rain |
| 06:36:20 | captain_proton | well, it compiled |
| 06:41:03 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 06:41:12 | captain_proton | so MrApathyCream... how goes the protocol breakz0ring? |
| 06:42:54 | MrApathyCream | not far |
| 06:43:06 | MrApathyCream | got tired of converting to 1.8 |
| 06:44:12 | MrApathyCream | {world config} (573,2): invalid team `base' |
| 06:44:14 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 06:45:10 | MrApathyCream | clear as mud |
| 06:45:17 | MrApathyCream | hugs 1.7 |
| 06:45:28 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 06:46:13 | captain_proton | some xml file, line 573, column 2 |
| 06:47:11 | MrApathyCream | exactly |
| 07:07:20 | captain_proton | what |
| 07:07:21 | captain_proton | the |
| 07:07:22 | captain_proton | fuck |
| 07:22:54 | iLL_Away | e6 is out? |
| 07:23:16 | iLL_Away | I just joined someones world and that was the message |
| 07:23:19 | iLL_Away | hmm |
| 07:23:28 | captain_proton | yea |
| 07:23:50 | iLL_Away | you guys fix the radar and text area transparency? |
| 07:24:10 | iLL_Away | seems alot of people were complaining and switching back to the old client because of it |
| 07:24:21 | iLL_Away | dunno what the e6 turned out to be |
| 07:29:45 | captain_proton | is -really- confused |
| 07:50:33 | captain_proton | ARGH |
| 07:54:16 | captain_proton | WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 08:00:58 | captain_proton | raise your hand if you've looked at the sound stuff ever |
| 08:10:40 | BZFlag | raises his hand |
| 08:11:38 | captain_proton | how might i go about making it loop a wav? |
| 08:12:25 | BZFlag | hmm. no code for that anywhere now. |
| 08:12:40 | BZFlag | tie the wav in a knot? |
| 08:12:55 | captain_proton | is serious |
| 08:13:15 | BZFlag | you'll likely need to find where it finished playing a wav and add code to restart it. |
| 08:13:26 | BZFlag | snever been done before in bz. |
| 08:13:45 | captain_proton | wants the rain effect to be complete |
| 08:15:02 | captain_proton | ah - another question |
| 08:15:07 | captain_proton | how do i cvs add a binary? |
| 08:18:55 | BZFlag | cvs add -kb foo |
| 08:19:08 | captain_proton | great |
| 08:19:18 | captain_proton | perhaps i'll leave the audio for tomorrow |
| 08:19:41 | BZFlag | then cvs commit, and then cvs log to make sure the kb stuck. I've had issues with cvs sometimes not sure what causes them. |
| 08:20:02 | Widget | NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:20:07 | Widget | BRAZIL, 2-1!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:20:47 | captain_proton | the effect needs a little work (should affect the motion of the rain based on your tank movement), but in general it looks wild |
| 08:21:21 | captain_proton | and it seems to have a very small impact on my framerate here |
| 08:22:47 | jpablo | captain_proton: can you put the match result of avengers vs GUGLMty on the page ? |
| 08:22:54 | captain_proton | jpablo: whats the score? |
| 08:23:05 | jpablo | GUGLMty 5, avengers 2 |
| 08:27:05 | captain_proton | done |
| 08:27:18 | jpablo | cool. |
| 08:27:37 | jpablo | captain_proton: do you have the exact formula used to get team raiting ? |
| 08:28:07 | jpablo | eek, it's now on the FAQ never mind. |
| 08:30:48 | captain_proton | hold on to your pants |
| 08:30:51 | captain_proton | big commit coming |
| 08:31:19 | jpablo | holds his pants. |
| 08:33:51 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i suggest you ease yourself into it with 'bin/bzgview data/particles-test2.bzg' |
| 08:34:41 | captain_proton | then in game |
| 08:34:44 | captain_proton | `set weather raining |
| 08:39:30 | captain_proton | heyas MrApathyCream =D |
| 08:40:27 | MrApathyCream | 7:# |
| 08:42:50 | captain_proton | i slave away making this a prettier game and all i get is a 7:#? |
| 08:43:47 | MrApathyCream | yup, it's 4:50 afterall |
| 08:43:58 | MrApathyCream | gotta work tomorrow |
| 08:44:24 | jpablo | captain_proton: i can't compile cvs HEAD. |
| 08:44:31 | jpablo | captain_proton: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `SceneNodeFieldReader.o', needed by `../../lib/libScene.a'. Stop. |
| 08:44:33 | jpablo | any idea ? |
| 08:44:56 | captain_proton | jpablo: did you do a clean checkout? |
| 08:45:07 | jpablo | nope. |
| 08:45:11 | captain_proton | make clean |
| 08:45:12 | jpablo | let me try it. |
| 08:45:40 | jpablo | i maked clean but didn't work let me try a fresh checkout. |
| 08:48:09 | BZFlag | No rule to make target `SceneNodeFieldReader.o', needed by `../../lib/libScene.a' |
| 08:48:14 | captain_proton | ergh |
| 08:48:18 | BZFlag | heh |
| 08:48:30 | captain_proton | wonders why his tree builds |
| 08:48:33 | BZFlag | rebuilding. |
| 08:49:14 | captain_proton | i think i found it |
| 08:50:20 | captain_proton | yep |
| 08:50:30 | captain_proton | soon as this completes i'll checkin the fix |
| 08:51:01 | captain_proton | uggg |
| 08:53:17 | captain_proton | template woes =/ |
| 08:54:44 | captain_proton | trying something else... |
| 09:00:04 | captain_proton | -there- we go |
| 09:04:43 | BZFlag | yeah, checking in the source helps. ;-) |
| 09:05:15 | captain_proton | hah |
| 09:05:19 | captain_proton | you |
| 09:05:33 | captain_proton | you'll be begging for forgiveness after you wet yourself |
| 09:09:17 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 09:09:20 | captain_proton | hangs his head in shame |
| 09:15:04 | BZFlag | can't get it to connect to a server without crashing now. |
| 09:15:10 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 09:15:59 | BZFlag | bin/bzgview data/particles-test2.bzg looks cool though. |
| 09:16:04 | captain_proton | crashing how? |
| 09:16:28 | BZFlag | locks up X completely. killing bzflag kills X. |
| 09:16:54 | captain_proton | really? wow |
| 09:20:55 | captain_proton | i can't imagine why it would crash X |
| 09:20:59 | captain_proton | no core? |
| 09:21:33 | Chestal | well, crashing X is an X bug of course |
| 09:21:40 | Chestal | happened to me a few times when I had to kill bzflag |
| 09:23:21 | captain_proton | what version of X? |
| 09:23:36 | Chestal | hmm, Xfree 4.whatever |
| 09:23:44 | Chestal | from Debian/sid |
| 09:23:46 | captain_proton | not you |
| 09:23:53 | Chestal | wah :-( |
| 09:23:55 | captain_proton | and the whatever matters |
| 09:24:05 | captain_proton | because 4.2 is a -lot- more stable than 4.0 or 4.1 |
| 09:25:15 | BZFlag | looks like the select() never returns |
| 09:25:16 | Chestal | I had crashed with 3.x, too |
| 09:25:33 | captain_proton | hmm i had that happen once |
| 09:25:37 | captain_proton | BZFlag: local server? |
| 09:26:01 | BZFlag | yeah. |
| 09:26:15 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 09:26:19 | captain_proton | try restarting the server |
| 09:26:41 | Chestal | btw., someone was here yesterday with a small custom map which causes 1.7 clients to hang |
| 09:26:54 | Chestal | obviously he didn't manage to post to sf yet |
| 09:29:49 | jpablo | prob=1.0/(1+10^(oldB-oldA)/400.0) = prob=1.0/(1+10^((oldB-oldA)/400.0)) || prob=1.0/(1+(10^(oldB-oldA))/400.0) ? |
| 09:30:25 | Chestal | oh, that's my fault |
| 09:30:31 | Chestal | I translated it from C++ code |
| 09:30:42 | Chestal | it's the first alternative |
| 09:30:58 | jpablo | oh, then it's the rigth notation. |
| 09:31:23 | jpablo | oh, no. |
| 09:31:25 | jpablo | it's not ok. |
| 09:31:38 | Chestal | nope |
| 09:31:42 | jpablo | divisions are first on math :-P |
| 09:31:50 | captain_proton | TimRiker: ? |
| 09:31:56 | Chestal | but the other alternative wouldn't make sense |
| 09:32:10 | Chestal | I'll correct it |
| 09:32:35 | jpablo | ok. |
| 09:32:55 | jpablo | the secod alternative was giving us always 1 of prob. |
| 09:33:48 | captain_proton | still no luck? =/ |
| 09:34:16 | BZFlag | no luck. can you connect to two now? I put it back up. |
| 09:34:37 | captain_proton | two:5190? |
| 09:34:53 | BZFlag | yeah |
| 09:35:03 | captain_proton | connection failed |
| 09:35:18 | captain_proton | whats the IP? |
| 09:35:24 | captain_proton | could be a dns timeout (massive dns troubles) |
| 09:36:06 | captain_proton | got in |
| 09:40:23 | captain_proton | well, i'm off to bed |
| 09:40:24 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 11:46:29 | Han | If anybody uses unix they can use this script: |
| 11:46:31 | Han | http://www.boetes.org/downloads/bzfs-generator |
| 11:46:37 | Han | Just wrote that. |
| 11:48:27 | Chestal | Han: it's best to post in in soem forum or put in in the wiki at www.bzflag.org |
| 11:48:40 | Chestal | jpablo: I heard your team won yesterday? |
| 11:50:15 | Han | Chestal: good idea. But I first wanted some people to check it out before I release it to the masses ;) |
| 12:06:22 | Chestal | Han: hmm, I do not quite get how to use your script? |
| 12:12:15 | Han | open the script in an editor and un/comment all options you want the server to have and then run the script and it will generate a script that runs bzfs with the option you just chose |
| 12:14:04 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 12:14:12 | Chestal | it doesn't have the new e6 options, does it? |
| 12:14:29 | tAd | new e6 options? |
| 12:15:22 | Chestal | server has more options, and at least oen is needed |
| 12:15:27 | Chestal | -pr for reconnect port |
| 12:15:30 | Han | Chestal: dunno, I just pasted the manpage :) |
| 12:15:55 | Chestal | then -mo # for number of observers, -admsg ... for periodic messages, -ban, -idlekick etc. |
| 12:17:18 | Han | searches for the changelog |
| 12:18:07 | Chestal | the e6 manpage should docuemtn the new options |
| 12:18:32 | Han | The man-page was not included in my distribution. |
| 12:19:50 | Han | * MsgEnter should not be patched for ID - Frank Thilo |
| 12:19:54 | Han | right :) |
| 12:24:49 | akira_ | moin |
| 12:31:26 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 12:35:38 | akira_ | fussball 1:0 :)) |
| 12:35:39 | akira_ | haha |
| 12:38:45 | Chestal | akira: wenn ich mir das im Liveticker durchlese, dann stehts aber gleich 1:1 |
| 12:39:01 | akira_ | jo |
| 12:39:06 | akira_ | seh ich auch so |
| 12:39:10 | akira_ | wo kukcst du ? |
| 12:39:18 | akira_ | auf tagesschau.de |
| 12:39:27 | Chestal | hier: http://host1.wm2002.samsung.de/tickersmall.asp |
| 12:39:31 | akira_ | 55 Min.: McBride passt auf O'Brien, abgeblockt. Wieder die USA, jetzt rettet Kahn. Was macht die DFB-Elf? Will sie die US-Boys zum Toreschießen einladen? So gehts nicht. |
| 12:40:04 | akira_ | vielleicht hat ihnen keiner gesagt, das man bei 1:0 noch immer nich gewonnen hat |
| 12:40:28 | Chestal | Streiken die DFB-Nationalspieler? Oder schonen die sich für das mögliche Halbfinale??? Passiv, teilnahmslos, ohne Engagement! |
| 12:40:54 | akira_ | genau |
| 12:41:10 | Chestal | ist fast spannender als mit Bild :-) |
| 12:41:14 | akira_ | ob die son system haben, wo die die meldungen zusammenklicken ? |
| 12:41:21 | akira_ | ist so wie frueher vorm radio :)) |
| 12:41:38 | Chestal | ja, frueher hab ich da oefter mal Bundesliga gehoert |
| 12:41:47 | Chestal | aber in letzter Zeitinteressiert mich Fussball eigentlich nicht mehr |
| 12:41:47 | akira_ | bereit zur 3. Hälfte. Unsere Redaktion hat sich langsam nervlich wieder beruhigt.. |
| 12:41:58 | Chestal | hmm. 3. Haelfte? |
| 12:41:58 | akira_ | offensichtlich noch nicht beruhigt genug :) |
| 12:42:02 | akira_ | LOL |
| 12:42:06 | Chestal | gehen wohl schon von Verlaengerung aus |
| 12:43:13 | akira_ | wahrscheinlich |
| 12:43:16 | akira_ | und england ist raus ? |
| 12:43:17 | akira_ | schade |
| 12:43:34 | Chestal | ja, find ich auch |
| 12:43:37 | akira_ | 58 Min.: Die USA wechseln. Clint Mathis kommt für McBride. Dieser Bursche hat der deutschen Elf beim Test in Rostock vor einigen Monaten zwei Treffer eingeschenkt. |
| 12:43:45 | Chestal | noch schader war Irland |
| 12:43:51 | akira_ | saloppe sprueche ohne ende :) |
| 12:44:03 | akira_ | mal kurz kucken was meine spaghetti machen |
| 12:44:13 | Chestal | hmm, lecker |
| 12:44:20 | Chestal | bist du daheim? |
| 12:45:24 | akira_ | jo |
| 12:45:34 | Chestal | keinen Fernseher oder freiwilliger Verzicht? |
| 12:45:37 | akira_ | hatte bisher an so 3d grundsatz sachen gehackt :) |
| 12:45:52 | akira_ | fernseher steht bei meiner freundin da die kabel aber kein fernseher hat |
| 12:47:18 | Han | I am very happy I have no TV |
| 12:47:39 | tAd | tsk, tsk, sports..... |
| 12:47:40 | akira_ | also diese passive abwehrverhalten passt mir nich |
| 12:47:54 | tAd | you would think there would be something better to do.... |
| 12:48:02 | tAd | ah |
| 12:48:06 | Chestal | tad: there always is |
| 12:48:12 | tAd | heh |
| 12:48:13 | tAd | I see |
| 12:48:18 | tAd | bah @ gmax |
| 12:48:33 | tAd | too bloody complicated |
| 12:48:42 | Han | tAd: sure but some people enjoy watching soccer; fine with me; do what ever you please, but don't invite me ;) |
| 12:48:50 | tAd | lol |
| 12:49:29 | tAd | Sport ist nett, wenn Sie die Schlusse Mannschaft aufpassen mögen.... recht? |
| 12:49:47 | akira_ | what ? |
| 12:49:53 | tAd | mein Deutsch ist nicht in der Welt das beste, aber sie tut. |
| 12:49:59 | akira_ | hehe |
| 12:50:01 | akira_ | nice |
| 12:50:04 | akira_ | where are you from ? |
| 12:50:11 | tAd | kentucky |
| 12:50:13 | tAd | :P |
| 12:50:19 | tAd | jetzt weg von gehe mir, Frühstück zu essen.... |
| 12:50:39 | tAd | Ich verwende http://translate.google.com/translate_t, um für mich zu übersetzen.... |
| 12:50:50 | akira_ | tAd: :))) |
| 12:51:01 | akira_ | yeah, we recogniced this :) |
| 12:51:28 | tAd | jetzt weg zum Frühstück.... |
| 12:51:28 | tAd | ahora apagado al desayuno.... |
| 12:51:28 | tAd | ora fuori alla prima colazione.... |
| 12:51:28 | tAd | maintenant au loin au petit déjeuner.... |
| 12:51:33 | Chestal | 66. Minute - Super Pass von Ziege - direkt zum Gegner |
| 12:51:38 | tAd | bah |
| 12:51:40 | tAd | cya l8r |
| 12:51:43 | Chestal | bye tad |
| 12:51:49 | akira_ | by tAd |
| 12:51:56 | akira_ | gelb fuer neuville ? |
| 12:51:59 | akira_ | was machen die ? |
| 12:52:03 | akira_ | foulen als stuermer ? |
| 12:52:41 | akira_ | jetzt hagelts farben :) |
| 12:52:46 | akira_ | ratz batz |
| 12:53:49 | akira_ | und noch 2e |
| 12:53:49 | iLLf8d | chestal you boot traitors? |
| 12:53:54 | tAd | fußball |
| 12:57:33 | akira_ | dieses rummeckern geht mir voellig auf den senkel beim fussbal |
| 12:57:47 | tAd | aha! |
| 12:57:48 | tAd | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashdot.org&langpair=en%7Cde&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8 |
| 12:57:53 | Chestal | akira: meckern? |
| 12:58:07 | akira_ | beim fussball generell |
| 12:58:32 | tAd | this rummeckern goes to me completely on the lacing with fussbal? |
| 12:58:57 | akira_ | tAd: meckern = blaming the referee to be a fool an idiot |
| 12:59:02 | tAd | ah |
| 12:59:06 | tAd | nice compression |
| 12:59:08 | tAd | :P |
| 12:59:16 | akira_ | rummeckern = blaming around :) |
| 12:59:24 | tAd | oh! |
| 12:59:26 | tAd | hehe |
| 12:59:38 | tAd | and I have to learn this stuff? |
| 12:59:40 | tAd | hmm |
| 12:59:58 | akira_ | Chestal: jabber was the "ultimat" im |
| 13:00:16 | tAd | O.K., jetzt werde ich wirklich wirklich gehen zu frühstücken |
| 13:00:19 | | rumour has it was is were cool-beans |
| 13:00:19 | tAd | was? |
| 13:00:33 | Chestal | akira: well, I'll stick with gaim |
| 13:00:36 | tAd | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bzflag.org&langpair=en%7Cde&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8 |
| 13:00:45 | akira_ | tAd: O.K., jetzt werde ich wirklich wirklich fruehstuecken gehen |
| 13:01:05 | tAd | ah |
| 13:01:09 | tAd | um |
| 13:01:11 | tAd | hmm |
| 13:01:13 | tAd | ok |
| 13:01:24 | tAd | never mind about this german stuff |
| 13:01:30 | tAd | I will leave it to the teacher.... |
| 13:01:43 | akira_ | tAd: tried leo.org ? |
| 13:01:48 | tAd | yea |
| 13:01:53 | tAd | very nice.... |
| 13:01:57 | tAd | :) |
| 13:01:59 | tAd | now I will really really go having breakfast to o.k.? |
| 13:02:07 | tAd | see? |
| 13:02:15 | tAd | google is not very smart..... |
| 13:02:25 | akira_ | tAd: its ok |
| 13:02:27 | akira_ | guten hunger |
| 13:02:29 | tAd | heh |
| 13:02:34 | tAd | ah |
| 13:02:34 | tAd | ok |
| 13:02:38 | tAd | cya |
| 13:02:59 | tAd | for 1 hour |
| 13:03:46 | akira_ | i386 U/min |
| 13:03:46 | akira_ | 1.7e6 |
| 13:03:46 | akira_ | Juni 19, 2002 |
| 13:03:46 | akira_ | - |
| 13:03:46 | akira_ | Downloaden LOL |
| 13:03:59 | akira_ | rpm == u/min ...... LACHANFALL |
| 13:04:16 | Chestal | hehe :-) |
| 13:06:10 | akira_ | naja |
| 13:06:21 | akira_ | noch 10 minuten muessen sie aushalten |
| 13:10:40 | akira_ | 86 Min.: Filigraner Fußball wird hier nicht geboten. Deutschland schlägt die Bälle nur noch heraus. |
| 13:10:42 | akira_ | hehe |
| 13:10:46 | akira_ | wen interessierts ? |
| 13:11:17 | Chestal | Pope völlig alleine vor Kahn, Kahn stürmt raus, und Pope erschrickt sich... |
| 13:11:48 | akira_ | hehe |
| 13:11:55 | akira_ | er will nich gebissen werden :) |
| 13:12:06 | Chestal | die Kommenatre werden auch immer gehässiger |
| 13:12:20 | akira_ | sag ich ja |
| 13:12:32 | akira_ | heute darf jeder nen liveticker betreuen |
| 13:12:51 | akira_ | und jetzt reisst olli bierhoff das ruder noch rum :) |
| 13:12:51 | Chestal | noch etwa 5 Minuten denk ich |
| 13:12:55 | akira_ | in 3 minuten :) |
| 13:13:00 | Chestal | wusste gar nicht, dass die den dabei haben |
| 13:13:13 | akira_ | habense |
| 13:13:17 | akira_ | aber warum weiss ich auch nich |
| 13:15:47 | akira_ | also wenn sie sich nicht voellig daemlich anstellen solltes sogar klappen |
| 13:17:38 | akira_ | 93 Min.: Abpfiff. Mit viel Dusel gewinnt Deutschland 1:0 und zieht ins Halbfinale ein. |
| 13:17:39 | Chestal | hehe, gewonnen |
| 13:17:47 | Widget | Congrats! |
| 13:17:58 | akira_ | aber der kommentar ist doch mal wieder typisch |
| 13:17:58 | Widget | You played very well. |
| 13:18:10 | akira_ | MANN, sind wir begeistert von unserem team .. echt |
| 13:18:21 | Widget | MrApathyCream: Bow down to akira_ and Chestal! You lost! |
| 13:18:34 | akira_ | hehe |
| 13:18:46 | Widget | is devastated at England's loss. |
| 13:19:07 | MrApathyCream | we lost at something no one cares about... |
| 13:19:36 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: no one except rest of the world ? |
| 13:19:37 | Chestal | MAC: not many in the US care about, that's right |
| 13:19:57 | MrApathyCream | maybe the players, and family members of players. |
| 13:20:09 | MrApathyCream | well, ok, maybe not ALL the family members |
| 13:20:28 | Widget | You don't care about it because you can't win. :) |
| 13:20:30 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: why is this so ? |
| 13:20:37 | akira_ | Widget: :)) |
| 13:20:43 | Widget | Sour grapes! Sour grapes! |
| 13:20:52 | MrApathyCream | i don't care because it's BOOORRRRIIIIINNNNGG |
| 13:21:01 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: why ? |
| 13:21:03 | tAd | heh |
| 13:21:06 | Chestal | I agree, only good sport is Sumo |
| 13:21:14 | tAd | lol |
| 13:21:15 | MrApathyCream | Nothing ever happens. |
| 13:21:17 | Chestal | and bzflag of course |
| 13:21:24 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 13:21:35 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: football is like any other game |
| 13:21:54 | MrApathyCream | what a shock 1-0 who could have predicted! |
| 13:22:10 | Widget | MrApathyCream: The Americans had been getting rather cocky. |
| 13:22:18 | Widget | However, Germany has not been doing as well as I expected. |
| 13:22:22 | Widget | Only 1-0 against Paraguay. |
| 13:22:28 | Widget | And against US now. |
| 13:22:55 | Widget | Curse Brazil!!! |
| 13:23:31 | MrApathyCream | cocky would imply we care... which of course we don't |
| 13:23:40 | akira_ | Widget: its enough to get 1 point / goal more then the opponent to win the game ... thats a truth everywhere |
| 13:23:50 | akira_ | nobody gets a price for beeing the coolest winner |
| 13:23:58 | Widget | akira_: Except in tennis. |
| 13:24:43 | Widget | MrApathyCream: Of course you care. Bush even 'phoned your team in Korea. |
| 13:25:11 | akira_ | Widget: nope, not even in tennis |
| 13:25:26 | Widget | akira_: You must win by two points to win the set. |
| 13:25:34 | Widget | Er... |
| 13:25:35 | Widget | Game. |
| 13:25:41 | MrApathyCream | Wow, US Goalie was spectacular, one save!!! |
| 13:25:42 | Widget | And by two games to win the set. |
| 13:25:52 | Widget | MrApathyCream: He's an idiot. |
| 13:26:01 | Widget | But the US didn't play as badly as I thought they would. |
| 13:26:23 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:26:24 | MrApathyCream | How can you play a whole game and have only two shots.... How can you watch that |
| 13:26:31 | iLLf8d | it amazes me how popular soccer is |
| 13:26:35 | Widget | I can't believe Wilmot's goal in Belgium v. Brazil was disqualified! |
| 13:26:35 | iLLf8d | in the world scene |
| 13:26:40 | Widget | Thet was a beautiful shot! |
| 13:26:44 | Widget | A beautiful shot! |
| 13:27:16 | Widget | Even on ESPN, the commentators were amazed... and a slow motion replay showed that he hadn't fowled as the ref claimed. |
| 13:27:18 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: some could say its very difficult to come to the shot ... |
| 13:27:19 | Widget | Oh, well... |
| 13:27:35 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: some could say, other games are much easier |
| 13:27:37 | Widget | MrApathyCream: The excitement doesn't lie in the attempts to score. |
| 13:28:49 | Widget | Dammit. The BBC has been slashdotted again. |
| 13:28:59 | MrApathyCream | to me it does |
| 13:29:24 | MrApathyCream | It's like going to the art museum in france, and the museum only have two pictures hung |
| 13:29:30 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: so the most exciting game for you would be a railgun ? |
| 13:29:40 | MrApathyCream | railgun? |
| 13:29:42 | akira_ | or better .. the VENOM ? |
| 13:29:49 | Widget | Hi, tAd_. |
| 13:29:52 | Widget | tAd_: You lost. =P |
| 13:29:56 | akira_ | so many shots in such a short time :) |
| 13:30:04 | Chestal | it's like CTF, you can play 10 minutes without a single capture |
| 13:30:05 | MrApathyCream | would be better |
| 13:30:58 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: what bz-servers do you prefer ? single-shot-ducati-like or spray-and-pray-10-shots-arent-enough |
| 13:30:58 | MrApathyCream | it's like playing ctf for an hour and no one even touches the oppoenents flag |
| 13:31:30 | MrApathyCream | you just sit in the middle and kill each other.... pointless |
| 13:31:50 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: when playing ctf for an hour and no one touches the opponents flag it could be a sign for 2 very good and strong opponents |
| 13:32:04 | MrApathyCream | i still wouldn't want to watch it |
| 13:32:31 | akira_ | but when the teams are catching and stealing the flag in a row |
| 13:32:33 | akira_ | and again |
| 13:32:33 | akira_ | and again |
| 13:32:33 | MrApathyCream | there's no doubt that soccer players are skilled... just that soccer is boring |
| 13:32:34 | akira_ | and again |
| 13:32:35 | akira_ | and again |
| 13:32:39 | akira_ | .. thats exciting ? |
| 13:32:44 | iLLf8d | heh its like baseball |
| 13:32:50 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 13:32:54 | iLLf8d | or the first 95% of a basketball game |
| 13:33:13 | iLLf8d | last 5% is where the fun is |
| 13:33:31 | Widget | Accursed baseball. |
| 13:33:39 | iLLf8d | football is were its at =) |
| 13:33:44 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 13:33:47 | Widget | Yes! Football! |
| 13:33:50 | iLLf8d | tho ... |
| 13:33:56 | iLLf8d | the sport is ruined with free agency |
| 13:33:58 | Chestal | american football is boring IMHO |
| 13:34:01 | Chestal | rugby is better |
| 13:34:07 | Widget | This _is_ the Football world cup, you know. |
| 13:34:07 | iLLf8d | rugby is ok... |
| 13:34:14 | Widget | New Zealand is the greatest at rugby! |
| 13:34:18 | Widget | ALL BLACKS!!! |
| 13:34:18 | Chestal | but Sumo is best :-) |
| 13:34:27 | iLLf8d | its no american football tho |
| 13:34:29 | MrApathyCream | i like the outfits |
| 13:34:32 | iLLf8d | sumo? |
| 13:34:34 | MrApathyCream | (sumo) |
| 13:34:35 | iLLf8d | ehh |
| 13:34:37 | Widget | New Zealand always win at rugby in the commonwealth games. |
| 13:34:42 | iLLf8d | tabletenis =) |
| 13:34:43 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:34:45 | iLLf8d | jk |
| 13:34:52 | iLLf8d | tho I bet those games look cool to watch |
| 13:34:56 | Widget | They are. |
| 13:34:57 | Chestal | really, Sumo is very fun to watch, at least when only the fights are shown |
| 13:35:02 | Chestal | 3 days of Sumo in 1 hour |
| 13:35:04 | Widget | is an avid pingpong fan. |
| 13:35:11 | Chestal | there's action all the time |
| 13:35:30 | iLLf8d | hey I like any sport that happens at night on tv in a bar with wings bluecheese a fireplace and a cold beer =) |
| 13:35:41 | Widget | Sleeeeeeeep. |
| 13:35:48 | Widget | is away: Sleeeeeep. |
| 13:35:50 | iLLf8d | tho if I were to play a sport football or hockey =) |
| 13:35:59 | iLLf8d | or even rugby |
| 13:36:10 | iLLf8d | tho i'm a mean hitter in baseball |
| 13:36:37 | iLLf8d | unless its softball and has a keg on field ... |
| 13:36:38 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:38:47 | MrApathyCream | the best part of ctf is when a player gets killed just inches from his base carrying opponents flag |
| 13:39:01 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 13:39:02 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 13:39:19 | akira_ | best part of football is when a player gets killed just inches from the enemys goal :)) |
| 13:39:26 | akira_ | its always true |
| 13:39:54 | MrApathyCream | that never happens |
| 13:39:54 | Chestal | usually, no killing in football |
| 13:40:03 | Chestal | I guess it's not allowed |
| 13:40:04 | MrApathyCream | no THAT would be interesting |
| 13:40:10 | MrApathyCream | s/no/now/ |
| 13:40:29 | akira_ | ok, perhaps is killing the wrong expression |
| 13:40:31 | akira_ | stopped |
| 13:40:43 | MrApathyCream | slightly different |
| 13:41:04 | akira_ | yep, but you know the difference between vr and rl ? |
| 13:41:31 | MrApathyCream | nope |
| 13:41:51 | akira_ | you MUSTN kill people in rl |
| 13:44:11 | akira_ | and .. HOW can you stopp a tank in vr ? |
| 13:44:17 | akira_ | physically i mean |
| 13:45:21 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 13:46:48 | akira_ | virtual reality -> you CANT stop a tank with just you physical presence |
| 13:47:15 | akira_ | real life -> you MUSTNT stop your opponent by killing him |
| 13:49:01 | MrApathyCream | ah virtual reality and real life? i'm with you now |
| 13:49:27 | akira_ | so why dont you ask about vr and rl ? |
| 13:49:34 | MrApathyCream | didn't care |
| 13:49:49 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 13:54:39 | akira_ | cu all |
| 13:54:45 | akira_ | Chestal ... bis sonntag |
| 14:05:42 | MrApathyCream | maybe they should do this: |
| 14:06:04 | MrApathyCream | soccer: player for two minutes. which ever team has the ball in their defensive zone more, must remove a player from the field |
| 14:06:10 | MrApathyCream | so now your playing 20-19 |
| 14:06:18 | MrApathyCream | after another two minutes, you do the same thing |
| 14:06:25 | MrApathyCream | eventually someone should score. |
| 14:06:36 | MrApathyCream | when they do, the team that's scored on, get all their men back |
| 14:10:05 | MrApathyCream | alrite, gotta go watch the next soccer match, bbl |
| 16:18:20 | jzaun | I've just dloaded the latest source, how can I build just the server, not the client? |
| 17:45:54 | captain_proton | anybody tried out rain yet? |
| 19:54:38 | akira_ | abend |
| 19:56:55 | jzaun | Hello all |
| 19:57:07 | jzaun | Is there a way to just compile bzfs and not everything else? |
| 19:57:32 | akira_ | make bzfs |
| 19:59:08 | jzaun | make: *** No rule to make target `bzfs'. Stop. |
| 20:01:51 | akira_ | cd src |
| 20:01:53 | akira_ | cd bzfs |
| 20:01:56 | akira_ | make |
| 20:02:11 | jzaun | tryed that too.. I get bzfs.o |
| 20:03:00 | jzaun | oh wait... it puts it in ../../bin/ |
| 20:03:02 | jzaun | thanks |
| 20:03:26 | akira_ | np |
| 20:06:22 | akira_ | Chestal: |
| 20:06:26 | akira_ | bist da ? |
| 20:12:43 | jzaun | What needs to be opened on a firewall to run a server? jusr 5155? |
| 20:13:25 | akira_ | think so |
| 20:13:32 | akira_ | cu all |
| 20:17:11 | jp_zZz | jzaun: you need to open 5155 and another port that you give with the -pr option. |
| 20:17:21 | jpablo | morning btw. |
| 20:18:14 | jzaun | jpablo: morning :-) -pr 32000 should work, or do I need to give a range? |
| 20:18:35 | jpablo | that should work. |
| 20:19:48 | jpablo | i don't really know what should be udp, so open both udp and tcp for both ports. |
| 20:21:16 | jzaun | jpablo: can you join jzaun.com:5155 and I will too.. wanna see it it lets multi-clients connect |
| 20:22:36 | m0nkey_b0y | hi |
| 20:23:02 | m0nkey_b0y | hey you |
| 20:23:16 | m0nkey_b0y | come play |
| 20:24:03 | m0nkey_b0y | you need the practice right? |
| 20:24:05 | jpablo | i was there. |
| 20:24:06 | jzaun | jpablo: seems like others can connect but they drop off very quickly |
| 20:37:26 | ^john | hi |
| 20:38:31 | jolly | hello |
| 20:38:39 | ^john | hi jolly |
| 21:16:55 | captain_proton | dum de dum |
| 21:17:00 | Guardian-hislady | yep |
| 21:32:14 | captain_proton | anybody successfully seen rain? |
| 21:36:15 | jpablo | i did, it looks cool. |
| 21:37:45 | captain_proton | you looked in-game? (make sure you've got the time set to night) |
| 21:41:45 | jpablo | i didn't see in the game, let me try it. |
| 21:44:14 | captain_proton | go to the console |
| 21:44:19 | captain_proton | set weather raining |
| 21:44:27 | captain_proton | again, make sure the time is night |
| 21:46:23 | jpablo | how i 'go to the console' ? |
| 21:46:32 | captain_proton | ` |
| 21:49:07 | jpablo | it looks neat. |
| 21:50:40 | jpablo | Hey [Cocoa]Widget. |
| 21:50:57 | Widget | hihihi, jpablo. |
| 21:51:35 | jpablo | Widget: so when your team will start to play ? |
| 21:52:31 | Widget | jpablo: When I manage to contact enough players who have joined. |
| 21:52:59 | jpablo | humm, you don't know the players ? |
| 21:55:01 | Widget | Only one. |
| 21:56:22 | jpablo | bah. |
| 21:56:29 | jpablo | we only accept local players :-P |
| 21:56:41 | Widget | Yes, hence the name of your team. |
| 21:57:55 | jpablo | when we see a player is starting to jump to the other level we tell him to join the league team. |
| 21:59:04 | Widget | The Americans are going to have coloured money now. |
| 21:59:12 | Widget | What does the money look like in Mexico? |
| 21:59:34 | jpablo | humm, like old plain money :-P |
| 21:59:48 | jpablo | let me see if i can pind a photo. |
| 22:00:56 | Widget | ooc http://www.banknotes.com/mx.htm |
| 22:01:10 | Widget | ooc http://www.banknotes.com/MXS132.JPG |
| 22:01:49 | jpablo | humm. |
| 22:02:06 | jpablo | that isn't the actual money. |
| 22:02:19 | Widget | Oh. |
| 22:02:21 | Widget | What is it, then? |
| 22:02:48 | jpablo | it's _very_ old money. |
| 22:02:54 | Chestal | re |
| 22:02:59 | Widget | Re? |
| 22:03:09 | Chestal | re! |
| 22:03:16 | Widget | Re? |
| 22:03:16 | jpablo | http://www.banknotes.com/MX108.JPG |
| 22:03:18 | Widget | Er! |
| 22:03:21 | jpablo | that one is currently. |
| 22:03:49 | jpablo | http://www.banknotes.com/MX107.JPG <- this too. |
| 22:04:20 | jpablo | and this: http://www.banknotes.com/MX106.JPG |
| 22:04:38 | Widget | Hm..... that looks cool! |
| 22:04:57 | jpablo | http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/revistaenfoque/revista83/revista83/revista/fotos/billete.jpg |
| 22:05:05 | jpablo | that's other one we are using now. |
| 22:05:19 | Chestal | it looks ok |
| 22:05:25 | Chestal | better than the $ at least :_) |
| 22:05:47 | Widget | The dollar is going to be colourised. |
| 22:05:56 | Widget | So says the Federal Reserve. |
| 22:07:00 | jpablo | Widget: mexican coins used to be very pretty. |
| 22:07:17 | Widget | http://www.banknotes.com/NZ190B.JPG |
| 22:07:29 | Widget | Our currency. |
| 22:07:53 | Chestal | our new coins and notes are quite ok, I got used to them quickly |
| 22:08:15 | Widget | Oh, the euro! |
| 22:08:29 | jpablo | The German euro is a nice one. |
| 22:08:31 | Widget | I think Australia and New Zealand should have the same currency. |
| 22:08:37 | jpablo | Widget: we are you from ? |
| 22:08:43 | Widget | jpablo: New Zealand. |
| 22:08:56 | jpablo | oh. |
| 22:09:42 | Widget | The Euros look cool. |
| 22:09:44 | captain_proton | Widget: have you seen rain in-game? |
| 22:10:03 | Widget | captain_proton: Nope. |
| 22:10:44 | captain_proton | Widget: get the latest cvs, build, then `set weather raining |
| 22:10:53 | Widget | Set it where? |
| 22:11:42 | jpablo | captain_proton: that ` should be configurable, to get that characther on my keyboard i have to type: Alt Gr-] space. |
| 22:11:52 | jpablo | and that does not work on bzflag, i had to changue my keyboard layout. |
| 22:12:14 | Widget | One thing: Why are the Euros so small? |
| 22:12:33 | Chestal | small? |
| 22:12:36 | Chestal | coins or notes? |
| 22:12:36 | jpablo | Widget: to save money :-). |
| 22:12:42 | Widget | Notes. |
| 22:12:49 | m0nkey_b0y | yo chestal |
| 22:12:53 | m0nkey_b0y | good game :( |
| 22:12:58 | Chestal | Widget: the size varies with the value |
| 22:13:03 | Chestal | 500 Euro notes are very big |
| 22:13:06 | Chestal | 5 Euro is small |
| 22:13:12 | Widget | It should be the reverse. |
| 22:13:14 | captain_proton | which is a really nice design |
| 22:13:17 | Widget | 5 Euro should be large. |
| 22:13:21 | Chestal | m0nkey: I didn't watch it, but obviously the German team sucked |
| 22:13:22 | Widget | And 500 small. |
| 22:13:26 | captain_proton | Widget: uhm - why? |
| 22:13:35 | Widget | So that you can find the 5 euro ones faster. |
| 22:13:42 | Widget | They are, after all, more commonly used. |
| 22:13:52 | Widget | They should stick out. |
| 22:13:54 | Chestal | hm, usually the biggest note I carry around is 50 Euro |
| 22:13:55 | Widget | That's how our notes work. |
| 22:14:08 | Widget | Well, 50 euro should be smaller than 5 euro. |
| 22:14:08 | Chestal | most of the time only 5 and 10 Euro notes |
| 22:14:13 | jpablo | the mexican notes are like the euros. |
| 22:14:39 | Widget | And soon the American notes will be size coded, too. |
| 22:14:43 | Widget | Let's hope they do it right, like us. |
| 22:15:59 | Chestal | hmm, well, I don't know, I think the sizing of the Euro notes is fine |
| 22:16:13 | Widget | British notes are very large. |
| 22:16:26 | Chestal | most of the time I'm usng coins anyway |
| 22:16:36 | Widget | Hm.... coins? |
| 22:16:45 | Widget | How much does... for instance, a kilo of tomatoes cost? |
| 22:16:53 | Chestal | I have no idea |
| 22:17:07 | jpablo | me neither :-P |
| 22:17:38 | jpablo | Widget: a order of tacos cost 25 pesos in monterrey. |
| 22:17:49 | Widget | Hm. |
| 22:17:49 | jpablo | the bigget coin we have is 20 pesos. |
| 22:17:51 | Widget | 25 pesos. |
| 22:17:54 | Widget | That sounds like a lot. |
| 22:18:09 | jpablo | 25 pesis is like 2.5 us dlls. |
| 22:18:15 | jpablo | s/pesis/pesos |
| 22:18:18 | Chestal | biggest EUro coin is 2E, that's almost worth $2 right now |
| 22:18:22 | Widget | I know. But it makes it seem like a lot. |
| 22:18:29 | Widget | Yes. |
| 22:18:35 | Widget | The Euro nearly equals the USD now. |
| 22:18:45 | Chestal | I think it will equal it soon |
| 22:19:03 | Chestal | I thought of specualtign on raising E/$ some time ago, I wish I had |
| 22:19:05 | jpablo | Widget: a coca-cola cost 2.5 pesos. |
| 22:19:12 | Widget | Hm... do you think the UK will approve the euro? |
| 22:19:19 | Chestal | Widget: sooner or later they will |
| 22:20:25 | Widget | jpablo: 2.5. |
| 22:20:29 | Widget | jpablo: That's not much. |
| 22:20:33 | Widget | jpablo: For us, it's a follar. |
| 22:20:40 | Widget | jpablo: A can. |
| 22:20:52 | jpablo | a can is a little less than a dolar. |
| 22:20:56 | jpablo | 7 pesos. |
| 22:21:19 | Widget | Oh. 2.5 pesos buys what, then? A bottle? |
| 22:21:22 | jpablo | 2.5 is the traiditional cocola bottle. |
| 22:21:34 | Widget | We don't have those. |
| 22:21:46 | jpablo | oh. |
| 22:22:10 | jpablo | a can of beer is 7.5 pesos. |
| 22:22:24 | Widget | isn't old enough to drink beer. |
| 22:22:27 | jpablo | and a bottle of wather 9 pesos :-P |
| 22:23:07 | jpablo | coca is the cheaper liquid you can find, then is beer, then wather, then milk. |
| 22:23:17 | Chestal | Widget: huh? what is the minimum age in New Zealand to drink beer? |
| 22:23:24 | Widget | Chestal: 16. |
| 22:23:37 | jpablo | wow, how old are you ? |
| 22:23:44 | Widget | 15. |
| 22:23:47 | captain_proton | jpablo: it sucks that the cheapest liquids dehydrate you |
| 22:24:11 | Chestal | hmm, I think I remember that you are 15, but maybe I'm only imagining it, deja vu or something :-) |
| 22:24:30 | MrApathyCream | I can drink beer!! |
| 22:24:38 | Chestal | I cannot drink beer |
| 22:24:40 | jpablo | captain_proton: yeah, coca-cola and beer dehydrate you, but it's what most people buy. |
| 22:24:50 | jpablo | I can drink beer. |
| 22:24:53 | MrApathyCream | (being of age) |
| 22:25:28 | Widget | Prohibition! |
| 22:25:29 | jpablo | the mimimun age in mexico 'acording to the law' is 18, but nobody respect it. |
| 22:25:38 | Widget | No one respects it in Europe, either. |
| 22:25:51 | Chestal | I think it's 16 in Germany (for pubs) |
| 22:25:54 | jpablo | i had already falled drunk with tequila before i was 18. |
| 22:26:03 | Chestal | 18 for drinks with higher % |
| 22:26:06 | Widget | And if you know the shopkeeper here, it isn't a binding rule either. People only care about it in the US. |
| 22:27:19 | jpablo | Widget: i think you don't have the minimun age to play bzflag :-P |
| 22:27:31 | Widget | Hm.... it's nearly 00:40 in Germany, yes? |
| 22:30:39 | Widget | I might visit Germany in 2006. |
| 22:30:49 | Widget | Of course, I might get deported for being a hooligan. |
| 22:32:20 | captain_proton | = hooligan |
| 22:32:34 | Chestal | yes, 0:37 now |
| 22:33:13 | Widget | Hm. So you are finally moving into Saturday. |
| 22:33:22 | Widget | While the Americans, Mexicans and Canadians are stuck in Friday. |
| 22:33:27 | Widget | As are the British. |
| 22:33:36 | Chestal | but the British are really close now |
| 22:33:42 | Widget | About 20 minutes. |
| 22:33:46 | Chestal | they can still celebrate solstice |
| 22:33:48 | Widget | They're still slow. |
| 22:34:12 | Chestal | hmm, that reminds me, I didn't really celebrate Friday. It was the day of sleep in Germany |
| 22:34:32 | Widget | Hm? |
| 22:34:34 | Widget | Day of Sleep? |
| 22:34:39 | Widget | Oooooooh. Sounds wonderful. |
| 22:34:45 | Widget | Sleep is always good. |
| 22:34:54 | Chestal | it sure is |
| 22:35:06 | Chestal | I guess I'll go to bed soon, do a little readign and will then have sweet dreams |
| 22:35:28 | Widget | What is 'day of sleep' in German? |
| 22:35:47 | Chestal | der Tag des Schlafes |
| 22:35:52 | Chestal | or 'des Schlafs' |
| 22:36:11 | Widget | Merci. |
| 22:40:05 | Widget | Falls Sie zu einer bestimmten Zeit nicht einschlafen ko"nnen, sollten Sie versuchen, eine halbe Stunde fru"her oder spa"ter zu Bett zu gehen. |
| 22:41:32 | Chestal | hmm, that's good advice :-) |
| 22:42:01 | jpablo | babelfishing ... |
| 22:42:13 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en Falls Sie zu einer bestimmten Zeit nicht einschlafen ko"nnen, sollten Sie versuchen, eine halbe Stunde fru"her oder spa"ter zu Bett zu gehen. |
| 22:42:14 | | captain_proton: If you do not fall asleep at a certain time ko"nnen, you should try to go a half hour more fru"her or more spa"ter to bed. |
| 22:42:24 | Widget | captain_proton: You need to replace the umlauts. |
| 22:42:34 | captain_proton | eww |
| 22:42:59 | Chestal | ibot, x de en koennen |
| 22:43:00 | | Chestal: can |
| 22:43:06 | Widget | Hm. |
| 22:43:15 | Chestal | s/"/e/ |
| 22:43:16 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en Falls Sie zu einer bestimmten Zeit nicht einschlafen können, sollten Sie versuchen, eine halbe Stunde früher oder später zu Bett zu gehen. |
| 22:43:17 | | captain_proton: If you at a certain time do not fall asleep to k |
| 22:43:27 | Chestal | no, use oe for ö |
| 22:43:27 | | captain_proton: huh? |
| 22:43:27 | captain_proton | ibot = braindead |
| 22:43:31 | Widget | Haha. The reappearance of the babelfish bug. |
| 22:44:50 | Chestal | hmm, it's getting late and I wanted to read approx. 50 pages today, I guess I won't manage that now |
| 22:45:40 | jpablo | ah, vacations rules, you can see anime and play bzflag all day. |
| 22:45:58 | Widget | jpablo: Hah! The English manga translations and animes suck. |
| 22:46:08 | Widget | jpablo: I imagine the Spanish-language ones are worse. |
| 22:46:30 | jpablo | most anime i see is just english subbed. |
| 22:46:34 | Widget | Read the Chinese version! |
| 22:46:36 | jpablo | by fansub groups. |
| 22:47:32 | jpablo | well i don't know chinese :-P |
| 22:47:36 | Widget | Learn it! |
| 22:48:00 | jpablo | and if i have to lear chinese i better learn japanese since that's the original languaje of most of anime & manga. |
| 22:48:04 | Widget | More people speak Chinese than English or Spanish, therefore it must be inherently superior. |
| 22:48:10 | Widget | My logic is flawless. |
| 22:48:34 | captain_proton | Widget: yeah yeah |
| 22:48:37 | captain_proton | Widget: time to make me another PNG |
| 22:49:11 | Widget | captain_proton: But I'm using gimp to read manga! |
| 22:49:12 | jpablo | Widget: i don't know chinesse but i can tell you that spanish is a more expressive languaje than english. |
| 22:49:20 | captain_proton | i need a new clouds.png with storm clouds |
| 22:49:30 | Widget | jpablo: Really? I would have thought with English's greater vocabulary... |
| 22:49:32 | Widget | captain_proton: OK. |
| 22:49:51 | jpablo | he. |
| 22:54:05 | jpablo | damn, ducati is full :-/ |
| 22:55:03 | Chestal | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 22:55:05 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: 8 | Green: 4 players, score: -6 | |
| 22:55:11 | Chestal | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 22:55:12 | bzbot | Ginku (Red):-25 (133 wins, 158 losses). binky (Green):-177 (90 wins, 267 losses). M1 (Red):19 (426 wins, 407 losses). Bom Bom (Red):-129 (162 wins, 291 losses). Wingding (Green):23 (64 wins, 41 losses). Brain (Green):-65 (39 wins, 104 losses). Zig (Green):64 (99 wins, 35 losses). Vigadu (Red):-74 (153 wins, 227 losses). @ (Red):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). |
| 22:55:22 | Chestal | oh, Zig is playing |
| 22:55:53 | Widget | Hm... I think I've played them before. |
| 22:55:56 | Chestal | hmm, M1 has been playing for some minutes (426 - 407) |
| 22:56:03 | Widget | Who is M1? |
| 22:56:09 | Chestal | I have no idea |
| 22:56:14 | Chestal | must must be playing for 3+ hours |
| 22:57:49 | jpablo | humm, i have played more than that. |
| 22:58:30 | captain_proton | i once played for 7 hours |
| 22:58:36 | captain_proton | i went blind |
| 22:59:00 | jpablo | haha. |
| 22:59:37 | jpablo | afther a log playing sessiong i always end wanting a mind-controlled interfaze for bzflag. |
| 23:00:29 | captain_proton | with my mouse thats not the issue |
| 23:01:38 | jpablo | what kinf of mouse it is ? |
| 23:02:40 | captain_proton | logitech optical wireless |
| 23:02:50 | captain_proton | ergonomic beyond belief =) |
| 23:03:08 | jpablo | oh, i have a microsoft optical. |
| 23:03:10 | Chestal | ok, I'm going to book+bed, cu |
| 23:03:18 | jpablo | Chestal: nite. |
| 23:05:22 | Widget | Bye |
| 23:05:50 | Widget | Why does captain_proton have such a cool computer? |
| 23:06:00 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 23:06:08 | Widget | 120 fps.... |
| 23:06:11 | Widget | Optical mouse... |
| 23:06:12 | Widget | Gr.... |
| 23:06:18 | Widget | And I have an old, slow laptop. |
| 23:06:20 | jpablo | 120 ? |
| 23:06:29 | captain_proton | yep, 120 |
| 23:06:32 | Widget | Yes, captain_proton gets 120 fps. |
| 23:06:43 | captain_proton | Widget: -wireless- optical...i blew $60 on it |
| 23:06:46 | jpablo | with all the cool stuff turned on? |
| 23:06:53 | captain_proton | nodnod |
| 23:06:55 | captain_proton | at 1600x1200 |
| 23:07:07 | Widget | has no mouse. |
| 23:07:34 | Widget | I will get an SGI workstation one day and play on that. |
| 23:07:39 | Widget | And perhaps I will get many fps. |
| 23:07:44 | Widget | Don't you think, captain_proton? |
| 23:07:51 | captain_proton | just get an x86 with a fast nvidia card |
| 23:08:06 | Widget | But an SGI will be cooler. |
| 23:08:07 | jpablo | i'm getting 4x frames with my matrox g400. |
| 23:08:20 | captain_proton | Widget: perhaps |
| 23:08:32 | captain_proton | Widget: getting an indigo or something wouldn't be too much cooler |
| 23:08:33 | Widget | captain_proton: Do you think it will get more than 120 fps? |
| 23:08:36 | captain_proton | getting a fuel... |
| 23:08:37 | captain_proton | woooooo |
| 23:08:45 | Widget | A fuel would be heavenly. |
| 23:08:49 | Widget | 1920x1200. |
| 23:08:57 | captain_proton | probably at several hundred fps |
| 23:09:01 | Widget | At something like 200 fps. |
| 23:09:40 | captain_proton | actually i think the graphics processors on a fuel can do something like 4200 x whatever |
| 23:09:49 | Widget | No. |
| 23:09:51 | Widget | You're kidding. |
| 23:10:59 | captain_proton | ah no, =/ |
| 23:11:04 | jpablo | damn, we need a version of bzflag that just show a big radar. |
| 23:11:06 | Widget | Or.... an Octane2. |
| 23:11:09 | captain_proton | the processors can handle it, but the output can't |
| 23:11:10 | Widget | That would be excellent. |
| 23:11:17 | captain_proton | jpablo: not hard with 1.8 |
| 23:11:56 | jpablo | oh, when 1.8 will be mature aprox ? |
| 23:12:09 | captain_proton | jpablo: 2027 |
| 23:12:35 | captain_proton | Widget: the fuel can drive 2 1920x1200 monitors with the default package |
| 23:12:41 | captain_proton | http://www.sgi.com/workstations/fuel/dual_channel.html |
| 23:13:05 | jpablo | hehe. |
| 23:14:04 | Widget | captain_proton: So can the Octane2. http://www.sgi.com/workstations/octane2/dual_channel.html |
| 23:14:09 | captain_proton | # 96-bit hardware-accelerated accumulation buffer for depth of field, full-scene anti-aliasing, motion blurs, and other effects (V12 only) <-- holy shite |
| 23:14:14 | captain_proton | 96 bits?!? |
| 23:14:26 | Widget | Which one? |
| 23:14:39 | captain_proton | the accumulation buffer in the fuel |
| 23:15:15 | Widget | Where does it say that? |
| 23:15:26 | captain_proton | go to 'graphics' |
| 23:16:12 | Widget | Hm. The Octane2 has this as well. |
| 23:17:31 | captain_proton | i think the fuel and octane2 are basically the same box |
| 23:17:35 | captain_proton | with different processors |
| 23:17:39 | Widget | Oh. |
| 23:17:44 | Widget | What is the difference in processors? |
| 23:17:58 | Widget | Ah. |
| 23:18:03 | Widget | The Octane2 is dual processor. |
| 23:18:13 | captain_proton | fuel is only R14000A |
| 23:18:19 | captain_proton | octane2 can use an R12000 |
| 23:18:50 | Widget | Hm. Well, if uh.. a rich uncle dies in India, then maybe I can get one of them. |
| 23:20:45 | captain_proton | nods |
| 23:22:09 | Widget | I wonder what you get with a G4... |
| 23:22:14 | Widget | That is more in my range. |
| 23:22:17 | Widget | Though not really. |
| 23:22:42 | captain_proton | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032868545 <--- oooh |
| 23:24:48 | Widget | Hm. |
| 23:26:27 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 23:26:33 | captain_proton | $30 for 5 SGI brand keyboards |
| 23:26:51 | captain_proton | would rather have a sun keyboard |
| 23:27:57 | Widget | Hm... but what could I use an SGI for besides playing BZFlag? |
| 23:27:59 | Widget | Not much. |
| 23:28:30 | captain_proton | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2033737258 |
| 23:28:34 | captain_proton | theres the keyboard i want |
| 23:29:10 | Widget | Get it, then. |
| 23:29:20 | captain_proton | ? |
| 23:30:10 | captain_proton | is trying to find a better deal |
| 23:30:27 | captain_proton | actually - that keyboard is PS2 - i want a USB keyboard |
| 23:36:31 | Widget | 's keyboard is mapped to Dvorak. |
| 23:36:43 | captain_proton | eek |
| 23:36:53 | captain_proton | the problem with that is when you have to use multiple computers |
| 23:37:21 | Widget | Precisely. |
| 23:37:33 | Widget | So far, I haven't run into the problem. I use my laptop everywhere. |
| 23:43:52 | Widget | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/21/10654/4064 |
| 23:55:16 | Widget | iLLf8d: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/21/10654/4064 |
| 23:56:13 | Widget | tAd_: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/21/10654/4064 |
| 23:56:15 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 23:56:21 | iLLf8d | and thats supposed to mean what? |
| 23:57:01 | Widget | iLLf8d: Did you read the article? |
| 23:57:04 | iLLf8d | It would've been nice if we won but to be honest noone in the states takes soccer seriously other then those foreigners here |
| 23:58:01 | iLLf8d | yeah its a comedy thing |
| 23:58:22 | Widget | Yes. Americans only enjoy playing sports no one else plays, like ice hockey and baseball. |
| 23:58:27 | iLLf8d | Although less than ten Americans watched the World Cup match between the U.S. and Germany, Ashcroft went on to say, |
| 23:58:29 | Widget | That way, they're always the best. :) |
| 23:58:30 | iLLf8d | thats the funny part heh |
| 23:58:40 | Widget | iLLf8d: Actually, that part's innaccurate. |
| 23:58:44 | Widget | iLLf8d: If you read the comments.... |
| 23:58:48 | iLLf8d | no actually thats not it |
| 23:59:03 | Widget | iLLf8d: Someone points out that nearly 4 million people watched Germany v. USA. Which is remarkable for a game at 4:30 PDT. |
| 23:59:03 | iLLf8d | oh didn't read any of the comments |
| 23:59:08 | iLLf8d | soccer is boring |
| 23:59:20 | Widget | You're just trying to rationalise it. :) |
| 23:59:20 | iLLf8d | tho I can't explain the interest in baseball so... |
| 23:59:24 | Widget | You just don't like it because you can't win! |
| 23:59:42 | iLLf8d | I think you're reading into it to far |
| 23:59:50 | iLLf8d | I could care less if we even fielded a team heh |
| 23:59:53 | iLLf8d | =P |
