| 00:00:40 | paul_ | ie, they might have control - but they can only use that control to track the euro. |
| 00:00:48 | paul_ | so what do they lose? |
| 00:01:10 | Widget | Isn't the Scottish Pound is also fixed some amount from the UK Pound? |
| 00:01:20 | paul_ | (although they can choose to change their reference value. which they did.) |
| 00:01:33 | paul_ | scottish pound is == sterling. |
| 00:01:40 | paul_ | just issued by scottish banks. |
| 00:01:41 | Widget | OK. |
| 00:01:46 | paul_ | same thing for northern ireland. |
| 00:03:05 | paul_ | (hmm.. hang on... i might be wrong about ERM - that might actually be dead now that the Euro is out. or UK might have left ERM. hmmm... anyway dont believe everything you read on irc) |
| 00:13:50 | captain_proton | hugs MrApathyCream |
| 00:15:43 | MrApathyCream | feels puzzled |
| 00:16:38 | paul_ | MrApathyCream: captain_proton's probably bored senseless by me.. |
| 00:17:13 | captain_proton | i'm trying to decide which new flag to implement |
| 00:17:34 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 00:18:28 | MrApathyCream | masquerade is extremelysimple as listed on sf |
| 00:18:50 | captain_proton | might be a good start |
| 00:19:04 | captain_proton | we need to decide what the process is for accepting new flags |
| 00:19:04 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:19:11 | MrApathyCream | dump them all in? |
| 00:19:12 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 00:19:16 | captain_proton | because we don't want flags that aren't fun |
| 00:19:26 | MrApathyCream | i like qwirky |
| 00:19:41 | MrApathyCream | hopefully most of mine are |
| 00:19:50 | captain_proton | i'm thinking we get at least 3 core devs to play with a patched client, then make suggestions |
| 00:21:24 | MrApathyCream | i'm super attached to burrow and masquerade |
| 00:21:42 | MrApathyCream | thief too |
| 00:21:44 | captain_proton | it looks like burrow is in for sure ;) |
| 00:22:09 | paul_ | what do they do? (think i can guess burrow, but masquerade? masq as another player?) |
| 00:22:31 | captain_proton | iirc masquerade makes you look like you're on their team (to everyone) |
| 00:22:38 | captain_proton | makes them hesitate |
| 00:22:42 | captain_proton | unless they're rogue, of course |
| 00:22:47 | paul_ | cool. |
| 00:23:08 | MrApathyCream | thief, you're real small and quick, when you 'shoot' a player you steal their flag. |
| 00:23:15 | MrApathyCream | Altho as a thief you can't kill anyone |
| 00:23:32 | paul_ | thief, nah.. |
| 00:23:41 | MrApathyCream | burrow looks awsome, only turret up is visible |
| 00:24:01 | paul_ | so you can kill, but cant be killed? (except by gm) ?? |
| 00:24:15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: they need to leave a trail of destruction as they drive through the ground ;) |
| 00:24:48 | MrApathyCream | with burrow, you can be killed with gm and shockwave |
| 00:24:55 | MrApathyCream | and also, ANYONE can steamroll you |
| 00:25:02 | MrApathyCream | you move and turn slower than normal |
| 00:25:03 | paul_ | ah of course yes. |
| 00:25:10 | paul_ | sounds like a fun flag. |
| 00:25:37 | tad_mac_eating | hmm |
| 00:25:38 | tad_mac_eating | cool |
| 00:25:38 | paul_ | slow -> not too slow, or the flag'd be a liability (to steamr. gm, sw.) |
| 00:25:56 | tad_mac_eating | can you jump? |
| 00:25:58 | paul_ | maybe 0.2 times slower than normal, or somesuch. |
| 00:26:02 | tad_mac_eating | hmm |
| 00:26:04 | tad_mac_eating | yea |
| 00:26:12 | MrApathyCream | can't jump with burrow, but if you drop the flag, you pop to surface and can jump |
| 00:26:35 | MrApathyCream | i forget what i set the slowdown to, but i think it was along those lines |
| 00:26:37 | tad_mac_eating | ah |
| 00:26:43 | tad_mac_eating | hmm |
| 00:26:46 | tad_mac_eating | this is 1.8? |
| 00:26:49 | | rumour has it 1.7 is important, it will be used for playing for about a year or so to come |
| 00:26:49 | tad_mac_eating | or 1.7? |
| 00:26:55 | MrApathyCream | it's nowhere except as a sf patch |
| 00:27:07 | | thanks MrApathyCream :) |
| 00:27:07 | MrApathyCream | ibot, botsnack |
| 00:27:11 | tad_mac_eating | heh |
| 00:27:18 | | tad_mac_eating: sorry... |
| 00:27:18 | tad_mac_eating | ibot botsmack |
| 00:27:27 | captain_proton | tad_mac_eating: there's a patch for 1.7, but it will fairly soon be in 1.8 |
| 00:27:28 | tad_mac_eating | hmm |
| 00:27:33 | tad_mac_eating | well |
| 00:27:38 | tad_mac_eating | will it be in 1.7? |
| 00:27:53 | captain_proton | no |
| 00:27:54 | tad_mac_eating | so we can have something new during the wait for 1.8? |
| 00:28:00 | tad_mac_eating | :Z |
| 00:28:04 | tad_mac_eating | hmm |
| 00:28:45 | MrApathyCream | can't add flags to 1.7 would break everything |
| 00:29:01 | tad_mac_eating | oh |
| 00:29:03 | tad_mac_eating | rats |
| 00:31:27 | tad_mac_eating | ok.... |
| 00:31:34 | tad_mac_eating | any froot loops here? |
| 00:31:39 | frootie | yes |
| 00:31:39 | tad_mac_eating | any Annihilation here? |
| 00:31:47 | frootie | not yet that i can see |
| 00:31:47 | tad_mac_eating | hmm? |
| 00:31:48 | tad_mac_eating | rats |
| 00:31:49 | captain_proton | is sourceforge down? |
| 00:31:51 | tad_mac_eating | no |
| 00:32:00 | frootie | i had that problem to |
| 00:32:02 | tad_mac_eating | nope |
| 00:32:05 | tad_mac_eating | I can get to it |
| 00:32:05 | frootie | seems intermittent |
| 00:32:17 | paul_ | seems slow to me. the league site is slow too. |
| 00:32:19 | tad_mac_eating | /. effect? |
| 00:32:33 | paul_ | intermittently slow even. |
| 00:32:37 | captain_proton | on -sourceforge-?? |
| 00:32:48 | tad_mac_eating | hmm |
| 00:32:49 | captain_proton | league site is run off of sourceforge's web server |
| 00:32:51 | tad_mac_eating | not for me... |
| 00:33:14 | paul_ | indeed. |
| 00:33:18 | captain_proton | could just be me - downloading new versions of gnu utils |
| 00:33:26 | tad_mac_eating | hehe |
| 00:34:20 | captain_proton | well, i'm off for various Social Activities[tm] |
| 00:34:28 | captain_proton | be back in 4-5 hours or so |
| 00:34:33 | tad_mac_eating | heh |
| 00:35:01 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: You have that? |
| 00:35:11 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ? |
| 00:35:16 | MrApathyCream | social activities |
| 00:35:29 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 00:35:34 | MrApathyCream | must reformulate mental image.... |
| 00:35:35 | captain_proton | amazing, isn't it? |
| 00:36:03 | captain_proton | ok, i'm off |
| 00:36:07 | MrApathyCream | is unincombered by such |
| 00:36:12 | tad_mac_eating | bah |
| 00:36:59 | tad_mac_eating | dumb things |
| 00:37:01 | MrApathyCream | frootie == 0o0o0 ? |
| 00:37:07 | tad_mac_eating | no |
| 00:37:21 | tad_mac_eating | OoOoO = OoOoO |
| 00:37:27 | MrApathyCream | how does the mac taste by the way? |
| 00:37:28 | tad_mac_eating | team member |
| 00:37:31 | frootie | yep frooty delicious here |
| 00:37:33 | tad_mac_eating | hmm |
| 00:37:43 | tad_mac_eating | tastes like an apple |
| 00:37:55 | tad_mac_eating | thought that was pretty cool |
| 00:37:59 | OoOoO | any Annihilation here yet???? |
| 00:37:59 | MrApathyCream | that was a silly question |
| 00:38:03 | tad_mac_eating | lol |
| 00:38:08 | tad_mac_eating | OoOoO no |
| 00:38:33 | tad_mac_eating | not yet |
| 00:38:37 | IceChat | hello |
| 00:38:42 | | hi, tad_mac_eating |
| 00:38:42 | tad_mac_eating | hello |
| 00:38:46 | tad_mac_eating | ba |
| 00:38:48 | tad_mac_eating | bah |
| 00:38:51 | IceChat | this is MAXIMUS |
| 00:38:52 | | Sorry, tad_mac_eating, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 00:38:52 | tad_mac_eating | ibot shutup |
| 00:38:55 | tad_mac_eating | hey! |
| 00:38:59 | tad_mac_eating | ok |
| 00:39:02 | tad_mac_eating | we got one person |
| 00:39:04 | tad_mac_eating | :) |
| 00:39:14 | IceChat | who are u? |
| 00:39:14 | tad_mac_eating | flash should be here |
| 00:39:21 | tad_mac_eating | BrEaDhAt |
| 00:39:24 | IceChat | flash is getting online now |
| 00:39:34 | | tad_mac_eating: i don't know |
| 00:39:34 | tad_mac_eating | ibot icechat? |
| 00:39:38 | | tad_mac_eating: i don't know |
| 00:39:38 | tad_mac_eating | ibot me? |
| 00:39:42 | tad_mac_eating | NO!!! |
| 00:39:49 | Flash | Hey! |
| 00:39:51 | IceChat | hi flash |
| 00:39:52 | OoOoO | icechat, you are maximus??? |
| 00:40:02 | | OK, tad_mac_eating. |
| 00:40:02 | tad_mac_eating | ibot I am a very smart person and cannot be hit in bzflag!!! |
| 00:40:03 | IceChat | ICE CHAT = MAXIMUS |
| 00:40:08 | | tad_mac_eating is a very smart person and cannot be hit in bzflag!!! |
| 00:40:08 | tad_mac_eating | ibot me? |
| 00:40:18 | Flash | "ICE CHAT" = idiot |
| 00:40:24 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | lol |
| 00:40:25 | IceChat | LOL |
| 00:40:42 | IceChat | test |
| 00:40:54 | MAXIMUS | hello |
| 00:40:54 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ah |
| 00:40:58 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | better |
| 00:41:01 | MAXIMUS | yep |
| 00:41:05 | OoOoO | alright guys , you have 3 now?? |
| 00:41:08 | MAXIMUS | is noodleman here? |
| 00:41:11 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | not yet |
| 00:41:21 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | hes not online yet.... |
| 00:41:29 | Flash | We've got three, but I don't know where NoodleMan is |
| 00:41:32 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | trillian.... |
| 00:41:36 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | LOL LOL LOL |
| 00:41:45 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | (Trillian) |
| 00:41:52 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | (globe) |
| 00:41:54 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ok |
| 00:41:56 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | hmm |
| 00:42:01 | MAXIMUS | RedHat...how do we play is we get 4 people on our team? |
| 00:42:03 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | all the froot loops? |
| 00:42:10 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | what? |
| 00:42:15 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | no |
| 00:42:21 | Flash | 3:-0 |
| 00:42:23 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | 3 players per side |
| 00:42:26 | OoOoO | we have 3 all ready to go |
| 00:42:29 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | hmm |
| 00:42:36 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | wait for one more? |
| 00:42:38 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | noodle man? |
| 00:42:42 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | as a backup? |
| 00:42:44 | OoOoO | you can substitute if you want but you have to be careful when you do it. |
| 00:42:47 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | its not 9:00 yet |
| 00:42:50 | MAXIMUS | we have time |
| 00:42:51 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | yea |
| 00:42:54 | OoOoO | thats fine. |
| 00:42:57 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ok..... |
| 00:43:02 | MAXIMUS | he gets home from work at ~ 1:00 UTC |
| 00:43:05 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | yells for noodleman |
| 00:43:16 | | wish i knew, tad_mac_breadhat |
| 00:43:16 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ibot noodleman? |
| 00:43:24 | | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt: emissions from GSM-phones |
| 00:43:24 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ibot excuse |
| 00:43:28 | MAXIMUS | ibot...who r u? |
| 00:43:32 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | hehe |
| 00:43:39 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | type in ibot help |
| 00:43:47 | MAXIMUS | ibot help |
| 00:43:50 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | lol |
| 00:43:53 | OoOoO | so right now you have 3 though right, flash max, and breadhat right? |
| 00:44:03 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | yea |
| 00:44:06 | OoOoO | ok |
| 00:44:10 | MAXIMUS | ibot is stupid |
| 00:44:17 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | MAXIMUS yup |
| 00:44:39 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | OoOoO: I want a backup though, I might get cut off..... |
| 00:44:39 | OoOoO | do we have a volunteer for a ref? please? |
| 00:44:43 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | hmm |
| 00:44:44 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | me? |
| 00:44:47 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | hehehe |
| 00:44:52 | | tad_mac_breadhat: wish i knew |
| 00:44:52 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ibot ref? |
| 00:44:54 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | bah |
| 00:45:03 | | OoOoO is nothing but a plume-plucked accumulation of decayed jizzum. |
| 00:45:03 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ibot insult OoOoO |
| 00:45:10 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ouch |
| 00:45:24 | MAXIMUS | it was a bitch getting IRC to work |
| 00:45:29 | MAXIMUS | n1st time i used it |
| 00:45:33 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | lol |
| 00:46:02 | Flash | First time I used it other than 10 years ago. It was much easier back then!!! |
| 00:46:06 | MAXIMUS | how many frootloops are here? |
| 00:46:15 | OoOoO | we are ready to go, we have 3 |
| 00:46:15 | frootie | 3 |
| 00:46:18 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | you here that OoOoO? your name is 0o0o0 |
| 00:46:25 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | HAHAHA |
| 00:46:26 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ok |
| 00:46:30 | MAXIMUS | GO REDHAT |
| 00:46:31 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | 10 more min. |
| 00:46:38 | frootie | 3 minutes |
| 00:46:40 | | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt: excuse me? |
| 00:46:40 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ibot insuilt OoOoO |
| 00:46:48 | | OoOoO is nothing but a weasel-smelling stack of pointy-nosed cold sores. |
| 00:46:48 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ibot insult OoOoO |
| 00:46:56 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | Mmmm |
| 00:47:04 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ok |
| 00:47:10 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | lets have a warm up time? |
| 00:47:22 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | eh? |
| 00:47:23 | MAXIMUS | port 59000? |
| 00:47:25 | frootie | need lag test prior |
| 00:47:27 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | sure |
| 00:47:28 | frootie | we are red |
| 00:47:29 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | yea |
| 00:47:31 | frootie | you green |
| 00:47:33 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | no |
| 00:47:37 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | :P |
| 00:47:37 | MAXIMUS | we r gremm? |
| 00:47:38 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | sure |
| 00:47:41 | MAXIMUS | green |
| 00:47:42 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | yea |
| 00:47:51 | Flash | He's right, though. We ARE grim... |
| 00:48:00 | MAXIMUS | can i leave IRC now? |
| 00:48:11 | jacques | hi MAXIMUS |
| 00:48:20 | MAXIMUS | hello, who r u ? |
| 00:48:22 | OoOoO | ok, we still need a ref. we are asking some people on regular ducati |
| 00:48:24 | Flash | How do substitutions work? Someone said "be careful", or something like that. What does that mean? |
| 00:48:33 | frootie | means be careful |
| 00:48:37 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | heh |
| 00:48:41 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | um |
| 00:48:41 | jacques | MAXIMUS: sometimes I play as Super Lucky Cat |
| 00:48:47 | MAXIMUS | oh yes |
| 00:48:48 | Flash | oh really? ya think? |
| 00:48:51 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | MAXIMUS you can leave it running if you want... |
| 00:48:53 | MAXIMUS | n hi super lucky cat |
| 00:48:59 | OoOoO | flash: dont sub so you pop into base at acritical time etc. |
| 00:48:59 | jacques | :-) |
| 00:49:03 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | MAXIMUS ro you can quit |
| 00:49:04 | OoOoO | dont have 4 out there at any time |
| 00:49:12 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | lol |
| 00:49:16 | Flash | Fair enough |
| 00:49:20 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | ok |
| 00:49:24 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | 59000 |
| 00:49:26 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | NOW! |
| 00:49:28 | Flash | So basically, "don't be a cheap bastard" |
| 00:49:45 | MAXIMUS | ok i am leaving IRC, talk to me in ducati |
| 00:49:49 | Flash | OK. I'm outta here. See you in Ducati\ |
| 00:49:49 | OoOoO | flash: right |
| 00:49:53 | OoOoO | ok |
| 00:49:57 | MAXIMUS | bye |
| 00:50:40 | OoOoO | any want to ref our match please?? |
| 00:52:44 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | yea |
| 00:52:49 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | noodle? |
| 00:54:58 | tad_mac_BrEaDhAt | K-lined? |
| 01:02:50 | funky | hi |
| 01:06:56 | funky | is away: (matando kavrones) [BX-MsgLog On] |
| 01:33:24 | MAXIMUS | hello |
| 01:33:35 | Flash | Well, you guys just missed out |
| 01:33:44 | Flash | We just kicked the frootloops butts!!! |
| 01:33:49 | frootie | puleeze |
| 01:34:02 | MAXIMUS | i WAS PLAYING LEFT HANDED THE WHOLE TIME |
| 01:34:15 | Flash | I had a stripper over the apartment, so it was kind of hard to concentrate |
| 01:34:51 | MAXIMUS | I THINK LOOPS HAD A CHEAT CLIENT WHERE THE COLLISION DETECTION WAS SMALLER THAN THE TANK |
| 01:34:52 | Flash | That was WAY too easy! I thought you said you guys were good! |
| 01:35:06 | frootie | max, you can't be serious |
| 01:35:14 | Flash | My MOM was playing, and she STILL shot you up! |
| 01:35:25 | OoOoO | aaah, good game guys |
| 01:35:54 | OoOoO | Captain: you there? could you post the score for us |
| 01:35:59 | MAXIMUS | The loops cheated and Flash said so |
| 01:36:07 | Flash | That's just not true. |
| 01:36:15 | MAXIMUS | gg all |
| 01:36:17 | Flash | (the "Flash said so" part) |
| 01:36:30 | Flash | That was fun. Anyone up for another beating?!?!?! |
| 01:37:07 | OoOoO | ok max. good game, maybe next time. |
| 01:37:07 | MAXIMUS | i was playing on my palm pilot |
| 01:37:44 | MAXIMUS | CTF isnt my game |
| 01:37:55 | MAXIMUS | i hope i dont see any loops in the real servers |
| 01:39:15 | MAXIMUS | anyone going into another server now? |
| 01:43:41 | OoOoO | yeah, max one of the loops wants to play you on another server ok |
| 02:07:13 | paul_ | night... |
| 02:57:58 | Nicole3 | hi hi |
| 02:58:34 | | Widget was last seen on #bzflag 2 hours, 56 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: OK. [Tue Jul 2 01:01:41 2002] |
| 02:58:34 | Nicole3 | ibot: seen Widget |
| 03:00:31 | Nicole3 | (&) |
| 03:01:38 | | Nicole3: excuse me? |
| 03:01:38 | Nicole3 | ibot: seen angie_bzgirl |
| 03:01:55 | | jpablo was last seen on #bzflag 11 hours, 7 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: hi dudes. [Mon Jul 1 16:54:22 2002] |
| 03:01:55 | ski | ibot: seen jpablo |
| 03:02:06 | Nicole3 | hi ski |
| 03:02:09 | ski | hi |
| 03:02:20 | jpablo | i'm here. |
| 03:02:28 | ski | never used that ibot command |
| 03:02:32 | Nicole3 | lol |
| 03:02:34 | ski | just wanted to try it |
| 03:02:36 | Nicole3 | it's kinda fun |
| 03:02:44 | ski | im new to irc |
| 03:02:56 | Nicole3 | me 2 |
| 03:03:30 | ski | i did use it a long time ago to DL music |
| 03:03:42 | ski | but i ended up using minmx |
| 03:03:46 | ski | winmx |
| 03:03:49 | Nicole3 | o |
| 03:04:43 | ski | jpablo: we might be up for another challenge soon |
| 03:04:48 | ski | :) |
| 03:06:06 | ski | well, i gotta get some sleep... cya all later! |
| 03:06:22 | Nicole3 | bye |
| 03:06:28 | ski | cya nicole |
| 03:06:33 | Nicole3 | cu |
| 03:32:37 | Widget | hihihi. jpablo. |
| 03:33:42 | jpablo | hey [MFC]Widget. |
| 03:34:53 | jpablo | or maybe a [NS]Widget ? |
| 04:41:28 | Widget | MFC? Not on your life. |
| 04:57:45 | Widget | hihihi, captain_proton. |
| 04:58:18 | captain_proton | yo |
| 04:58:58 | Widget | Kapita"n Proton. |
| 04:59:11 | captain_proton | just saw minority report with bunches of friends |
| 04:59:17 | captain_proton | better than you lead me to believe |
| 04:59:37 | Widget | has high standards. |
| 04:59:43 | Widget | I liked the special effects. |
| 04:59:45 | Widget | But plot holes bug me. |
| 04:59:46 | captain_proton | i liked the cereal box |
| 04:59:47 | Widget | For days... |
| 04:59:48 | Widget | And days.... |
| 04:59:50 | Widget | And days..... |
| 04:59:55 | Widget | Haha, the cereal box. |
| 04:59:59 | Widget | I want something like that! |
| 05:00:05 | Widget | Why doesn't my cereal box sing to me, eh? |
| 05:00:19 | Widget | Speaking of 'eh', it's Canada Day in some parts of Canada still for one or two hours more. |
| 05:02:36 | Widget | Why doesn't Google have a special image for Canada Day? |
| 05:03:10 | jacques | hmmm they should |
| 05:03:14 | captain_proton | because canada is insignificant ;) |
| 05:03:57 | akia_ | moin |
| 05:04:03 | Widget | So the Americans would like to believe. You know they really are in charge of things down south. |
| 05:04:06 | Widget | hihihi, akia_. |
| 05:04:15 | Widget | akia_: Happy Canada Day (it still is in some parts of Canada) |
| 05:04:54 | captain_proton | Widget: no, we kill their soldiers when they get out of hand |
| 05:05:40 | Widget | captain_proton: That is what the American media told you? No, in reality a squadron of Canadian soldiers killed a division of Americans. |
| 05:05:44 | Widget | Hm.... the new president of the UN is Danish. |
| 05:05:58 | captain_proton | haha |
| 05:06:06 | Widget | I like Danishes. |
| 05:06:10 | Widget | Very tasty. |
| 05:06:48 | Widget | akira_: Why are the German flag colours so dull? |
| 05:06:50 | akira_ | Widget: ? what going on here ? |
| 05:06:56 | Widget | akira_: They should be vibrant!!! |
| 05:07:25 | akira_ | coz everyone could have that boring white blue red scheme |
| 05:07:36 | Widget | Sweden has blue and gold! |
| 05:07:37 | akira_ | like .. us, newzealand, gb, australia ... .) |
| 05:07:40 | Widget | Portugal red and green! |
| 05:07:47 | Widget | And NZ, and NZ. Don't rub it in. |
| 05:07:50 | Widget | And France. |
| 05:07:52 | Widget | And Luxembourg. |
| 05:07:57 | Widget | And the Netherlands. |
| 05:08:21 | captain_proton | red-green-white is popular too |
| 05:08:33 | Widget | Italy. |
| 05:08:44 | captain_proton | mexico |
| 05:08:53 | akira_ | so you got nothing to do right now, right ? |
| 05:08:58 | Widget | Nope. |
| 05:09:11 | Widget | So I am wishing everybody a happy Canada Day. |
| 05:09:33 | akira_ | why canada day ? |
| 05:09:39 | Widget | Today is Canada Day. |
| 05:09:40 | Widget | July 1. |
| 05:09:51 | Widget | The anniversary of the day Canada was made a Dominion of the British Empire. |
| 05:10:06 | akira_ | whatever |
| 05:10:17 | Widget | Is Magdeburg the capital of Sachsen-Anhalt? |
| 05:10:29 | akira_ | yep |
| 05:10:42 | Widget | Was Sachsen-Anhalt even around during East German times? |
| 05:10:50 | akira_ | nope |
| 05:11:05 | akira_ | the subdivisions were smaller |
| 05:11:41 | Widget | Germany has no right to the name "Sachsen"! The true Saxons arein the UK! |
| 05:12:02 | akira_ | ? |
| 05:12:15 | akira_ | guess from where the saxons came ... |
| 05:12:25 | Widget | From Frisia. |
| 05:12:26 | Widget | Friesland. |
| 05:12:48 | Widget | In the Netherlands. |
| 05:12:52 | akira_ | aha |
| 05:13:10 | akira_ | and what do you think from where the saxons came into netherlands ? |
| 05:13:34 | Widget | From.... some barbarian country in the east. :) |
| 05:14:10 | akira_ | exacto |
| 05:14:17 | Widget | But where did they come from? |
| 05:14:17 | Widget | Eh? |
| 05:14:21 | Widget | From Scandinavia! |
| 05:14:22 | akira_ | and guess where this is ? |
| 05:14:27 | akira_ | here |
| 05:14:35 | akira_ | nope, not from scandinavia |
| 05:14:48 | Widget | The Germanic tribes were originally from Scandinavia. |
| 05:14:58 | Widget | And before that... their ancestors were on the shores of the Caspian Sea! |
| 05:15:04 | Widget | The Proto-Indo Europeans! |
| 05:15:26 | akira_ | :) |
| 05:15:41 | akira_ | guys from scandinavia == vicings :) |
| 05:15:46 | Widget | http://eng.bundesregierung.de/ has some very interesting information. |
| 05:16:00 | Widget | Yes, the Germanic tribes (North Germanic) that stayed in Scandinavia became known as Vikings. |
| 05:17:11 | Widget | Yes. And about Schroeder. |
| 05:17:15 | akira_ | i think you could be the first one read this stuff there on the official site :) |
| 05:17:17 | Widget | And the political structure of Die Bundesrepublik Deutschland. |
| 05:17:40 | Widget | Why is 'Bundesrepublik' feminine? |
| 05:17:43 | akira_ | so .. now you are an informer hae ? |
| 05:17:55 | Widget | Sssssssh! |
| 05:18:02 | akira_ | coz "the republic" is feminine |
| 05:18:25 | akira_ | its feminine in french too i think |
| 05:18:31 | Widget | La republique. |
| 05:18:41 | Widget | Well, how come 'das Ma"dchen" is masculine, eh? |
| 05:18:47 | Widget | That makes no sense whatsoever! |
| 05:19:16 | Widget | a" = a-umlaut, which I can't type on an English keyboard. |
| 05:19:21 | akira_ | wanne talk with me about english language-faults ? |
| 05:19:29 | captain_proton | Widget: got xchat? |
| 05:19:33 | akira_ | try ae oe und ue ... |
| 05:19:33 | Widget | captain_proton: Ja. |
| 05:19:37 | Widget | captain_proton: How do I solve it? |
| 05:19:43 | Widget | English's only problem is the orthography. |
| 05:19:45 | captain_proton | Widget: at the right of the text entry box, there's a button with "<" on it |
| 05:19:46 | captain_proton | press that |
| 05:19:51 | captain_proton | then click ascii |
| 05:20:00 | Widget | captain_proton: Ooh. Very cool. |
| 05:20:08 | Widget | das Mädchen. |
| 05:20:11 | Widget | captain_proton: Thank you! |
| 05:20:21 | akira_ | but please still use ae oe and ue |
| 05:20:28 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ! |
| 05:20:33 | akira_ | hello MrApathyCream |
| 05:20:34 | Widget | akira_: What do you mean by that? |
| 05:20:34 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 05:20:38 | Widget | hihihi, M_A_C! |
| 05:20:43 | captain_proton | how goes the reformulating? |
| 05:20:48 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:21:02 | akira_ | ä == ae |
| 05:21:14 | captain_proton | looks like we'll soon have a koth server up |
| 05:21:15 | Widget | akira_: Oooooh. Why? |
| 05:21:17 | MrApathyCream | decided it was easier to pretend captain_proton had no live than to reformulate |
| 05:21:21 | captain_proton | compliments of jzaun |
| 05:21:30 | MrApathyCream | cool! |
| 05:21:46 | akira_ | Widget: not every client could show up these special signs |
| 05:21:51 | captain_proton | which means people need to make sure they've got latest cvs clients ready |
| 05:21:58 | Widget | akira_: It is simply Latin-3. |
| 05:22:04 | akira_ | Widget: whate the sex of republic in english ? |
| 05:22:09 | Widget | akira_: There is none. |
| 05:22:14 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:22:14 | Widget | akira_: The eqpublic. |
| 05:22:20 | Widget | akira_: English has no grammatical gender. |
| 05:22:23 | akira_ | ok, the girl |
| 05:22:26 | akira_ | the boy |
| 05:22:29 | akira_ | the thing |
| 05:22:32 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:22:33 | akira_ | where is the sex ? |
| 05:22:39 | Widget | akira_: So? No grammatical gender makes things much easier. |
| 05:22:42 | MrApathyCream | between the boy and the girl |
| 05:22:46 | Widget | akira_: Either have none at all, or make it logical! |
| 05:22:52 | captain_proton | there is no explicit masuline or feminine |
| 05:23:00 | Widget | Yes. No grammatical gender. |
| 05:23:02 | Widget | Precisely. |
| 05:23:07 | captain_proton | some things have connotations to that effect, but its not in the language |
| 05:23:07 | Widget | And at least in French, we have... |
| 05:23:12 | Widget | La fille. |
| 05:23:14 | Widget | Feminine. |
| 05:23:30 | Widget | But German has das Maedchen! |
| 05:23:34 | captain_proton | all the romance languages have gender |
| 05:23:35 | akira_ | Widget: das maedchen has no sex in a ... globel thing :) she is too young :) |
| 05:23:53 | Widget | But not in France, I suppose? |
| 05:23:55 | captain_proton | il-la, el-la |
| 05:23:59 | Widget | Yes. |
| 05:24:02 | captain_proton | doesn't know french |
| 05:24:04 | Widget | Illa puella. <<--- Latin. |
| 05:24:11 | Widget | That girl. |
| 05:24:40 | Widget | declines: Puella, Puellae, Puellae, Puellam, Puella. |
| 05:24:42 | akira_ | Widget: das maedchen -> die frau |
| 05:25:03 | akira_ | :) |
| 05:25:10 | Widget | Continuing: Puellae, Puellorum, Puellis, Puellas, Puellis. |
| 05:25:45 | Widget | akira_: Then how come we have der Junge? |
| 05:26:12 | Widget | akira_: Shouldn't it be das Junge, by your logic? Since Junge -> Mann? |
| 05:26:16 | akira_ | before the english language was born, a lot older folks already speak a language .. so i think the english was just made as an hybrid of them all |
| 05:26:51 | akira_ | Widget: i knew, that you would argue that way .. but you have to think about the situation of the woman in the past history ... |
| 05:27:03 | akira_ | girls and womand == nothing |
| 05:27:07 | Widget | The ancestor of modern English language was born a few centuries after the Norman conquest. In 1066. |
| 05:27:12 | akira_ | boys and men == everything |
| 05:27:21 | akira_ | perhaps thats why it is so like it is |
| 05:27:26 | MrApathyCream | join bzflag |
| 05:27:37 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ? |
| 05:27:53 | Widget | So I suppose the French were very égale and all? |
| 05:27:53 | MrApathyCream | thought i was in some language room |
| 05:28:02 | Widget | Having "la fille"? |
| 05:28:03 | captain_proton | haha |
| 05:28:07 | akira_ | Widget: even 1066 all other folks where there for thousand years :) |
| 05:28:25 | Widget | akira_: But their language is very different from Modern English. |
| 05:28:40 | MrApathyCream | boy, vogon dropped off the face of the earth |
| 05:28:42 | Widget | akira_: Have you tried reading Beowulf? Or the writings of Harold, an early Anglo-Saxon king? |
| 05:28:51 | akira_ | Widget: our german is different from former german too |
| 05:28:59 | captain_proton | gets ready to implement masquerade |
| 05:29:04 | Widget | akira_: Not so different as English is from Anglo-Saxon. |
| 05:29:04 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 05:29:14 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: puttin' it in? |
| 05:29:14 | Widget | akira_: The Germans were not ruled by foreigners for hundreds of years. |
| 05:29:45 | akira_ | not my fault if that damn british bastards couldnt fight back :)) |
| 05:30:06 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: dunno - i think new flags need to be approved by a group of people, not just the implementor |
| 05:30:11 | akira_ | they loosed again in 2002 by an brasilian army :)) |
| 05:30:20 | Widget | akira_: Aha! But a few centuries later, it was the British who were invading the French. |
| 05:30:25 | MrApathyCream | group = cappy * appy |
| 05:30:29 | Widget | akira_: Oh? And what about the German "army" in 2002? |
| 05:30:43 | captain_proton | haha MrApathyCream |
| 05:30:54 | captain_proton | bumbles off to get some more pizza |
| 05:30:55 | akira_ | Widget: at least we stand last ... or second last :) |
| 05:30:58 | MrApathyCream | zaun assembling obj code by hand? |
| 05:31:33 | Widget | akira_: That is because you faced Brazil last. |
| 05:31:39 | akira_ | MrApathyCream: my visual c++ make the bzflag client around 200kb taller than the official binary .. why ? |
| 05:31:43 | Widget | akira_: England had the bad fortune of facing them early. |
| 05:31:52 | akira_ | Widget: lalala |
| 05:33:29 | akira_ | Widget: how came you are so interested in the history and language of the other side of the world |
| 05:33:55 | Widget | Because you people keep messing things up for us. |
| 05:34:10 | akira_ | ? |
| 05:34:46 | Widget | What happened to us in 1936, eh? For such a small continent, Europeans cause a lot of trouble. |
| 05:35:02 | akira_ | ah come on |
| 05:35:26 | Widget | At least you're becoming civilised now. |
| 05:35:26 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what world shall we play koth on? |
| 05:35:36 | akira_ | Widget: ? |
| 05:35:51 | Widget | Ich bin vielleicht betrunken, aber morgen bin ich wieder nüchtern, und du wirst immer noch hässlich sein. |
| 05:36:22 | akira_ | its another thing to throw out some natives then to integrate a LOT of small peoples |
| 05:37:28 | Widget | With the EU. |
| 05:37:37 | captain_proton | Widget: got your 1.8 cvs client ready? |
| 05:38:35 | akira_ | Widget: no, it was meant in the context of the first and second world war |
| 05:38:44 | Widget | captain_proton: Ja. |
| 05:38:59 | Widget | captain_proton: Without keyboard support. |
| 05:39:17 | Widget | akira_: Yes! The Europeans were responsible for ANZAC getting shot up at Gallipoli |
| 05:39:35 | akira_ | for what ? |
| 05:39:45 | Widget | The Great War. |
| 05:39:46 | Widget | WWI. |
| 05:39:47 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: answer me! |
| 05:40:03 | Widget | akira_: Gab es seit BÖll überhaupt irgend ein richtiges intellektuelles Leben in deinem Land? |
| 05:40:13 | akira_ | oho |
| 05:40:19 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: perhaps the decks? |
| 05:40:21 | akira_ | gab es eines in deinem ? |
| 05:40:27 | jacques | mmm decks |
| 05:42:42 | Widget | akira_: Lern erst mal lesen, Affenjunge. |
| 05:43:10 | akira_ | Widget: are you searching for cultural activities in your country ? |
| 05:44:05 | Widget | Haben sie je daran gedacht, dass wir beleidigt sein kÖnnten, weil Sie kein Englisch gelernt haben? |
| 05:44:28 | akira_ | your moving around my question Widget |
| 05:45:01 | Widget | akira_: We have plenty of cultural activities. |
| 05:45:08 | captain_proton | wooohooooooooo |
| 05:45:08 | Widget | akira_: Well.... not really. But so? |
| 05:45:09 | captain_proton | we're ready |
| 05:45:14 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream |
| 05:45:18 | Widget | captain_proton: To add keyboard support? |
| 05:45:25 | captain_proton | Widget: to play some KotH |
| 05:45:31 | Widget | KotH? |
| 05:45:32 | Widget | Was ist? |
| 05:45:36 | captain_proton | king of the hill |
| 05:45:40 | Widget | Ooooooooh. |
| 05:45:41 | Widget | Fun!. |
| 05:45:42 | akira_ | Widget: i dont know nothing about your culture activities :) so they couldnt be so big :) |
| 05:45:47 | Widget | Do I need to get the latest client from CVS? |
| 05:45:51 | captain_proton | yes, you do |
| 05:46:00 | akira_ | captain_proton: explain |
| 05:46:00 | Widget | akira_: I know nothing about yours either. Except for Oktoberfest. |
| 05:46:15 | captain_proton | akira_: highest-scoring tank is the king, has a white tank |
| 05:46:17 | akira_ | Widget: proof :) |
| 05:46:18 | captain_proton | all others have black tanks |
| 05:46:20 | captain_proton | try to kill the king |
| 05:46:36 | Widget | akira_: Well, I will be spending the next three years living in the UK. |
| 05:46:36 | akira_ | captain_proton: ah :) i thought it would be like .. there is a hill |
| 05:46:44 | Widget | akira_: Which has many cultural activities. |
| 05:46:47 | captain_proton | heh, no |
| 05:46:51 | akira_ | as long you are up the hill your score counts |
| 05:46:53 | akira_ | :)) |
| 05:46:54 | captain_proton | just a name for the style |
| 05:47:07 | captain_proton | MRAPATHYCREAM |
| 05:47:15 | akira_ | Widget: but you mentioned boell |
| 05:47:28 | akira_ | Widget: the classical cultural activities |
| 05:47:31 | Widget | akira_: BÖll? So? |
| 05:47:53 | Widget | akira_: Well... stop winning in the Olympics and World Cup already! |
| 05:47:55 | akira_ | should i cite you ? |
| 05:48:28 | akira_ | Widget: as long we loose not as early as nz ... everything would be fine :) |
| 05:48:48 | akira_ | and how do you think we didnt win the olympics ? |
| 05:48:49 | Widget | akira_: Next World Cup, I shall be in England. Supporting the English team. |
| 05:49:05 | Widget | akira_: I never said you didn't win. I told you to stop winning!!!! |
| 05:49:09 | akira_ | you should be in berlin to support the enlish team :) |
| 05:49:15 | Widget | akira_: I will be! |
| 05:49:18 | Widget | akira_: In 2006. |
| 05:49:24 | Widget | akira_: Until I get thrown out as a hooligan. |
| 05:49:31 | captain_proton | haha Widget |
| 05:49:51 | Widget | Ah.... the bright red cross of England! |
| 05:50:02 | akira_ | Widget: my old eyes read wining |
| 05:50:25 | Widget | akira_: England will win in Euro 2004. Mark my words! |
| 05:50:37 | akira_ | Widget: if you make terror in berlin, my exgirlfriend will arrest you ... |
| 05:50:44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ... |
| 05:50:57 | Widget | akira_: :( That's not done, old thing. |
| 05:51:03 | akira_ | and i will tell her to REALLY fix you down to the ground and whisper "greetings from aki" in your ears :) |
| 05:51:30 | Widget | akira_: And how will she recognise me, eh? |
| 05:51:40 | akira_ | i will describe you |
| 05:51:57 | Widget | akira_: You have no better idea of what I look like. :) |
| 05:52:14 | akira_ | i ll have, promise |
| 05:52:22 | Widget | Oh? |
| 05:52:33 | Widget | How? |
| 05:52:42 | akira_ | surprise surprise |
| 05:53:46 | Widget | akira_: I think I look very different from what you think I look like. |
| 05:54:18 | Widget | Everyone knows what captain_proton looks like. |
| 05:54:29 | Widget | captain_proton: So will you be playing or not? |
| 05:54:35 | Widget | captain_proton: Is M_A_C dead? |
| 05:54:47 | captain_proton | i don't know where he wen't |
| 05:54:53 | captain_proton | yeah, i'll play |
| 05:54:56 | captain_proton | but i want to wait for him |
| 05:55:04 | Widget | Well, my client is still compiling |
| 05:55:41 | akira_ | widget everyone think he/she looks different |
| 05:56:00 | akira_ | but at least you got 2 arsm, 2 legs, 1 head and a torso in between |
| 05:56:10 | Widget | akira_: That description is very specific. |
| 05:56:16 | Widget | akira_: Tell it to the Berlin police. |
| 05:56:22 | Widget | akira_: They will spot me in no time. |
| 05:56:44 | akira_ | but dont complain if you were lying 2006 on the ground and got the magic words: akira is greeting :)) |
| 05:58:00 | Widget | H, |
| 05:58:34 | Widget | It would more likely be "akira grüsst Sie", rno? |
| 05:58:54 | akira_ | nope .. DICH |
| 05:58:56 | Widget | akira grüßt Sie |
| 05:59:02 | akira_ | DICH |
| 05:59:04 | Widget | The Berlin police are very polite. |
| 05:59:16 | akira_ | do you know them ? |
| 05:59:46 | Widget | I'm a personal friend of the Beauftragter. |
| 05:59:54 | MrApathyCream | news to me! |
| 06:00:00 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: !!!!!!!!! |
| 06:00:02 | captain_proton | lets a play |
| 06:00:09 | MrApathyCream | where |
| 06:00:14 | Widget | captain_proton: No! It is still compiling!! |
| 06:00:17 | captain_proton | jzaun.com |
| 06:00:19 | captain_proton | Widget: you can join us |
| 06:00:23 | captain_proton | its in the server list |
| 06:00:26 | Widget | OK. |
| 06:00:36 | akira_ | Widget: you just looking and translating around didnt you ? :) |
| 06:01:02 | Widget | Ich bin ein persönlicher Freund des Botschafters!!!!! |
| 06:01:17 | Widget | Herr Wachtmeister, das ist eine Unverschämtheit! |
| 06:01:43 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'm waiting - where are you? |
| 06:02:38 | captain_proton | twiddles his thumbs |
| 06:02:52 | Widget | OK. |
| 06:02:55 | Widget | I am done compiling. |
| 06:02:56 | akira_ | widget you do babelfishing :) |
| 06:02:59 | captain_proton | ok |
| 06:03:05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: when you see this, jzuan.com in 1.8 latest |
| 06:03:10 | captain_proton | Widget: lets go |
| 06:03:13 | Widget | akira_: I did not Babelfish. Plug it in to Babelfish and see the response you get. |
| 06:03:25 | Widget | akira_: I shall say to the police officers, "Könnten wir das nicht mit einer kleinen Spende für den Polizeiball regeln?" |
| 06:03:32 | Widget | akira_: And I shall be released fortwith./ |
| 06:03:39 | akira_ | Widget: :)) so why do you are able to speak german :) |
| 06:04:04 | MrApathyCream | hmmm can't connect |
| 06:07:49 | jacques | what's this do: -DHALF_RATE_AUDIO |
| 06:08:26 | akira_ | half rate audio ? |
| 06:08:56 | jacques | yeah, what does it do? why is it used? |
| 06:09:08 | jacques | half of what rate? |
| 06:09:21 | akira_ | the audio rate ???? |
| 06:09:31 | akira_ | its in the name |
| 06:09:43 | jacques | akira_: are you intentionally being dense? |
| 06:09:52 | akira_ | instead of 44khz only 22khz |
| 06:10:06 | akira_ | instead of 22khz 11khz ? |
| 06:10:19 | akira_ | where is the problem ? |
| 06:12:02 | akira_ | so ? |
| 06:14:15 | akira_ | cya Widget |
| 06:14:19 | akira_ | i am off now |
| 06:15:25 | Widget | captain_proton: It crashed. |
| 06:15:28 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 06:15:50 | MrApathyCream | can't connect |
| 06:16:02 | MrApathyCream | u? |
| 06:16:06 | captain_proton | works fine here |
| 06:16:17 | Widget | For me too. |
| 06:17:00 | MrApathyCream | seems like perhaps the world downloads, then i just wait with black |
| 06:17:14 | MrApathyCream | lemme try debugger |
| 06:17:26 | Widget | MrApathyCream: Did you make clean before you compiled? |
| 06:17:53 | MrApathyCream | no.. |
| 06:18:05 | jacques | im there but nobody else is |
| 06:18:27 | MrApathyCream | debug will be full build so, ... vc usually is pretty good about that stuff |
| 06:19:00 | MrApathyCream | any obvious bugs with koth? |
| 06:19:14 | MrApathyCream | i spose we should remove team scores. |
| 06:19:20 | MrApathyCream | just look in the code where it says |
| 06:19:30 | MrApathyCream | case 4924: longjmp(); |
| 06:19:31 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: no obvious ones |
| 06:19:35 | MrApathyCream | and fix it there |
| 06:20:12 | jacques | where do I edit the text size in cvs now? |
| 06:20:41 | captain_proton | 1.8 cvs? |
| 06:20:56 | jacques | i think i found it |
| 06:21:03 | jacques | yep found it |
| 06:21:14 | Widget | is away: Dinner. |
| 06:23:20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i moved daylight.h, daylight.cxx, SceneManager.h & SceneManager.cxx in the latest cvs commit |
| 06:24:32 | jacques | im koth!!! |
| 06:24:50 | jacques | damn it's jerky |
| 06:25:49 | jacques | teleporters are infinitely thin now? |
| 06:25:56 | captain_proton | for now |
| 06:25:58 | jacques | and my shots do not make a lighting effect |
| 06:26:01 | captain_proton | teleporters will probably change a lot |
| 06:26:04 | captain_proton | right |
| 06:26:28 | jacques | i just saw MrApathyCream sign on and off |
| 06:26:51 | jacques | crap it's REALLY jerky |
| 06:27:13 | MrApathyCream | hey i'm in |
| 06:29:01 | jacques | i was ST |
| 06:29:07 | jacques | how did he know where I was? |
| 06:42:38 | MrApathyCream | the only place you could be!! |
| 06:42:42 | jacques | heh |
| 06:42:51 | MrApathyCream | algo is (wins-losses)*(wins/10) |
| 06:43:10 | MrApathyCream | bzfs annointNewKing() |
| 06:43:59 | captain_proton | when you left we had no king |
| 06:55:29 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 06:55:38 | MrApathyCream | also black tanks aren't black enough, it seems |
| 06:55:53 | MrApathyCream | hmmm server should detect that |
| 06:56:37 | captain_proton | happened at a suicide |
| 07:03:27 | jacques | im the king woof woof woof! |
| 07:06:44 | jacques | weeee are the champions, my friends...!!! |
| 07:13:00 | jacques | well that was strangely fun |
| 07:13:04 | jacques | but i gotta go home |
| 07:13:10 | jzaun | but why? |
| 07:13:23 | jacques_gone | why do i have to go? |
| 07:13:33 | jzaun | yah.. bly more BZF |
| 07:13:44 | jacques_gone | i might get on from there if my stupid dsl connection cooperates |
| 07:13:51 | jzaun | :-) |
| 07:13:53 | jacques_gone | :-D |
| 07:14:02 | jzaun | have a good one if I don't catch ya here |
| 07:14:10 | jacques_gone | it was a fun game, jzaun |
| 07:14:32 | jacques_gone | laterz |
| 08:26:36 | captain_proton | Widget: i want the gesture gloves they had in minority report |
| 08:55:50 | Chestal | hmm, just co 1.8 |
| 08:56:05 | Chestal | I cannot move the cursor in the menu with my arrow keys? |
| 08:56:39 | captain_proton | you can't?? |
| 08:59:01 | Chestal | hmm, now it works, I just restarted |
| 08:59:06 | Chestal | how do I test the rain stuff? |
| 08:59:53 | captain_proton | you've got a decent video card on it? |
| 08:59:59 | Chestal | yes |
| 09:00:05 | captain_proton | `set weather raining |
| 09:00:13 | Chestal | ok |
| 09:00:14 | captain_proton | motion might still be a little buggy |
| 09:00:48 | captain_proton | you have an opinion on masquerade? |
| 09:02:56 | Chestal | hmm, a flag? |
| 09:03:12 | Chestal | rain needs sound, and below platforms it should be dry -) |
| 09:03:31 | captain_proton | yes - patch on sf is for 1.7, i'm porting to 1.8 now |
| 09:03:39 | Chestal | we shoudl really replace the background panoramo by something a little more high-res and prettier |
| 09:03:54 | Chestal | it changes your tanks' colour to that of the viewer? |
| 09:03:58 | captain_proton | and yes - i'm planning to do sound for rain (sound stuff needs to be rewritten) |
| 09:03:59 | captain_proton | yes |
| 09:04:16 | captain_proton | its not 'dry' under platforms because currently nothing is wet ;-) |
| 09:04:47 | captain_proton | also planning to make it so when its raining, its darker (during daytime), there are stormclouds, and some slight viewport fog |
| 09:04:56 | Chestal | after bzflag forked for 1.8, lots of stuff has been added/changed to 1.7. I guess not all of it (which is worth it) has made it into 1.8 yet? |
| 09:05:15 | Chestal | are the raindrops real objects n 3D? |
| 09:05:29 | captain_proton | sorta kinda |
| 09:05:44 | captain_proton | they're each made up of a 2-tri strip |
| 09:05:48 | Chestal | I want snow with tanks leaving tracks in it :-) |
| 09:05:49 | captain_proton | the system is billboarded as a whole |
| 09:05:55 | captain_proton | well, i can do falling snow |
| 09:05:58 | captain_proton | the ground is harder |
| 09:06:16 | Chestal | what does billboarding mean? |
| 09:06:28 | captain_proton | it reorients so that the quad is facing the camera |
| 09:06:36 | captain_proton | you can never look at the side of a raindrop |
| 09:06:42 | captain_proton | same effect is used for explosions |
| 09:06:53 | captain_proton | lemme rephrase that last one |
| 09:06:58 | captain_proton | billboarding is also used for explosions |
| 09:07:07 | Chestal | ah, ok, as with monsters in most old first person shooters |
| 09:07:40 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 09:08:36 | captain_proton | so - no problems with the addition of masquerade? |
| 09:08:39 | Chestal | ah, flags are waving |
| 09:08:49 | Chestal | but less than in 1.7. Flags are also billboarded? |
| 09:08:57 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 09:09:09 | captain_proton | flags wave a little bit, but the geometry is more difficult |
| 09:09:19 | captain_proton | whats there now is acceptable but not the best |
| 09:09:23 | Chestal | I don't have a probem with any new flag which can be implemented |
| 09:09:41 | captain_proton | wonderful =D |
| 09:09:44 | Chestal | if I do not liek a flag, I will just not use it in server options |
| 09:10:21 | Chestal | btw., pausing and blindness is a little strange, I am not really blind, the ground+sky is still drawn |
| 09:11:55 | captain_proton | thats how its supposed to be (same as with 1.7) |
| 09:13:33 | Chestal | hmm |
| 09:13:43 | Chestal | isn't it all black with 1.7? |
| 09:13:49 | captain_proton | nope |
| 09:13:55 | captain_proton | at least not with texturing/etc |
| 09:17:44 | Chestal | roaming over the clouds is cool |
| 09:18:44 | captain_proton | i think clouds are too low in 1.8 |
| 09:18:46 | captain_proton | but thats just me |
| 09:19:34 | Chestal | the translucency just looks nice from above, or when some peak building are above the clouds |
| 09:19:44 | Chestal | hmm, I still get some refresh problems on the horizon sometimes |
| 09:20:09 | captain_proton | yes - that is a problem |
| 09:20:34 | captain_proton | i think the sky needs to be extended down further - perhaps another 60 degrees or so |
| 09:20:55 | captain_proton | instead of just going to 1/2way |
| 09:21:05 | captain_proton | or draw an infinite plane for the ground |
| 09:21:21 | Chestal | akira had a URL with some very nice skymaps |
| 09:21:30 | Chestal | only proböem with it is that they conatined a sun |
| 09:21:49 | captain_proton | i like the way the sky is done |
| 09:21:59 | captain_proton | pretty gorgeous at sunrise/sunset |
| 09:22:06 | captain_proton | but mountains & clouds need work |
| 09:22:28 | Chestal | well, yes, I was talkign about the horizon, the mountains |
| 09:31:14 | captain_proton | hold on to your pants |
| 09:31:17 | captain_proton | new flag coming in |
| 09:32:05 | Chestal | how is koth supposed to work? |
| 09:32:22 | captain_proton | the king is white |
| 09:32:27 | captain_proton | all others are black (same team) |
| 09:32:39 | captain_proton | kill the king, highest scoring player becomes new king |
| 09:32:54 | Chestal | hmm |
| 09:33:14 | Chestal | so king gets score for killing anyone |
| 09:33:20 | Chestal | and other players only for killing king |
| 09:33:37 | captain_proton | right |
| 09:33:45 | Chestal | isn't it very hard for a player to become king then? |
| 09:33:49 | Chestal | imagine 3 players |
| 09:33:54 | captain_proton | thats the point |
| 09:34:11 | Chestal | because you'll get lots of score when you are the king |
| 09:34:11 | captain_proton | try to be king for as much time as you can |
| 09:34:20 | captain_proton | well - thats debatable |
| 09:34:32 | Chestal | imagine a kign maaged to get a lot of points |
| 09:34:36 | captain_proton | while you could get a high score, you're also being hunted by all the other players |
| 09:34:38 | Chestal | he is killed, someone else becomes king |
| 09:34:46 | Chestal | then, when this king is killed, the first player will be kign again |
| 09:35:02 | captain_proton | yes |
| 09:35:45 | captain_proton | but while the other player is king, they lower the first king's score |
| 09:36:03 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 09:36:15 | Chestal | doesn't the first kign lose only 1 poitn when killed? |
| 09:36:28 | captain_proton | when killed as the king |
| 09:36:34 | captain_proton | but they lose points when the new king kills them |
| 09:37:06 | Chestal | but only the player who gets killed by the king loses a point? or does everyone? |
| 09:37:16 | captain_proton | only the player who gets killed |
| 09:37:21 | Chestal | hmm, maybe the kign should have genocide at all times :-) |
| 09:37:32 | captain_proton | that would worsen the situation |
| 09:37:38 | Chestal | yep |
| 09:37:52 | captain_proton | but koth as it is turns out to be pretty fun |
| 09:38:22 | Chestal | while being a normal player killing another player is like team killing? |
| 09:38:29 | captain_proton | yep |
| 09:40:43 | captain_proton | uck |
| 09:40:47 | captain_proton | i gotta go to sleep |
| 09:42:15 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 12:38:25 | strayer | hi |
| 12:38:37 | Chestal | hallo |
| 12:38:54 | strayer | war bomber vorhin hier? |
| 12:39:09 | Chestal | vor Stunden auf ducati |
| 12:39:34 | strayer | nö...noch eben auf ducati mit ...u.a. mir... |
| 12:40:37 | Chestal | ah so, hier hab ich ihn aber nicht gesehen |
| 12:41:31 | strayer | ok.....das wars auch schon, was ich wissen wollte... :) |
| 12:42:00 | strayer | uebrigens....gratulation zum erneuten ersten platz in der liga... |
| 12:43:05 | Chestal | das ist passe, loops sind wieder erster |
| 12:45:09 | strayer | oha....wie ist eigentlich die berechnungsformel?....ult hatte einmal haushoch gewonnen und einmal knapp verloren > haben aber jetzt weniger als 1200punkte...wieso? |
| 12:46:23 | strayer | ist gegessen...habe die formel gefunden... |
| 12:50:55 | strayer | @all - what i ever wanted to know....BZFlag > what stands 'BZ' for |
| 12:51:04 | strayer | ? |
| 12:51:23 | taD_school_mac_g | battle zone |
| 12:51:56 | Chestal | staryer: yes, tad is right, I think the history section on www.bzflag.org might have something on that |
| 12:53:05 | strayer | thy tad......have not seen sth. like that before there Chestal - will have a look.... |
| 12:53:20 | strayer | sry....thx |
| 13:19:56 | dinah | notices that bzbot is missing |
| 13:32:24 | dinah | oh there he is... |
| 14:04:57 | Chestal | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:04:58 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 14:09:11 | dinah | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:09:12 | bzbot | dinah (Green):0 (0 wins, 0 losses). |
| 14:40:51 | Impulz | hi |
| 14:41:01 | Chestal | hi Impulz |
| 14:41:20 | Impulz | hi chestal |
| 14:41:46 | dinah | i see you read userfriendly impulz |
| 14:42:21 | Impulz | you do? |
| 14:42:38 | dinah | well you did back in 98 or so... |
| 14:42:45 | Impulz | well, actually i do, but how did you guess? |
| 14:42:52 | dinah | i know all |
| 14:43:07 | Impulz | sure :p |
| 14:46:49 | strayer | slaps Impulz around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:46:53 | strayer | sry...couldn't deny myself that thing .... :) |
| 14:47:01 | strayer | ...will never happen again (maybe)... |
| 14:49:33 | Impulz | go on risking your life.. no problem :p |
| 16:18:09 | Valoche | hi, you numerous ones |
| 16:18:29 | dinah | shhhh, everyone is naping |
| 16:18:34 | dinah | i think... |
| 16:18:40 | Valoche | WAKE UP!!!!! ;-) |
| 16:18:58 | dinah | www.joltcola.com |
| 16:19:56 | Valoche | funny site ;-) |
| 16:20:31 | dinah | caffine! world domination! crystal meth for everyone! |
| 16:25:20 | patlabor221 | how bout cafinated soap? |
| 16:25:54 | dinah | ummm |
| 16:26:05 | patlabor221 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/caffeine/5a65.shtml |
| 16:27:40 | dinah | caffine cant be absorbed through the skin, the molecules are to large. dint they take chemestry? |
| 16:28:46 | patlabor221 | proalby not |
| 16:29:10 | dinah | bloody american education system |
| 16:29:10 | patlabor221 | but they also make cans of whooop ass. |
| 16:29:12 | patlabor221 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/caffeine/3669.shtml |
| 16:30:13 | dinah | i dont understand it speed is cheap and plentifull |
| 16:32:14 | patlabor221 | I guess peeople just feel better wiht the caffene. |
| 16:32:52 | patlabor221 | too mutch caffene just gives me a headake. |
| 16:33:24 | dinah | thats like using dialup when theres a perfectly good T1 going unused ;-) |
| 16:35:01 | patlabor221 | eww not dialup |
| 16:35:14 | dinah | eww not caffine |
| 16:35:35 | patlabor221 | now sugar, that's where it's at :) |
| 16:35:59 | dinah | bah! straight glucose silly boy |
| 16:36:37 | patlabor221 | you can put that in kool-aid? |
| 16:36:45 | patlabor221 | with vodka? |
| 16:38:02 | dinah | you can put it in an I.V. |
| 16:39:01 | patlabor221 | but then you have to walk around with that little IV cart thing. |
| 16:39:19 | patlabor221 | and I don't think they allow that on a hocky rink |
| 16:39:45 | dinah | sports are a sodding waste of time |
| 16:39:58 | patlabor221 | well that is true |
| 16:40:03 | patlabor221 | expensive too |
| 16:41:01 | dinah | thinks theres a lot of bzflag related talk going on |
| 16:41:34 | patlabor221 | So why hasn't anyone tried to do a round radar |
| 16:41:41 | patlabor221 | <does that help?> |
| 16:41:51 | dinah | because the board is square? |
| 16:42:07 | patlabor221 | soo, you can't see it all at the same time |
| 16:42:16 | patlabor221 | it spins and whirlllls |
| 16:42:22 | dinah | if your in the center and on 2 |
| 16:43:03 | patlabor221 | I was thinking of making litte Icons for all the powerup flags and making them shown in the hud |
| 16:43:28 | dinah | ewww powerup flags |
| 16:43:40 | patlabor221 | what' |
| 16:43:49 | dinah | superflags rott |
| 16:44:09 | patlabor221 | I allways forget there name |
| 16:44:17 | patlabor221 | too many difrent tank games :) |
| 16:44:25 | dinah | CTF for life! |
| 16:44:53 | patlabor221 | true, more stratagey is better |
| 16:45:29 | dinah | no im just tired of some child with a GM camping and thinking hes some sort of god |
| 16:45:44 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:45:49 | patlabor221 | that is quite annoying |
| 16:45:56 | Impulz | get someone to help you and teach him some manners :) |
| 16:46:10 | patlabor221 | need something like ammo on that thing |
| 16:46:35 | dinah | i think we should just remove all no linux versions from distibution... that'll cut down on the children ;) |
| 16:47:07 | dinah | meant "non-linux" not "no linux" |
| 16:48:39 | dinah | oh and get rid of the rpm's to. so they have to know how to compile it from source ;> |
| 16:49:02 | patlabor221 | then you would only have like 20 people playing :) |
| 16:49:29 | dinah | but they wouldnt be wankers |
| 16:49:36 | patlabor221 | I'd run it on linux if I could get the damned nvidia drivers to install and not puke. |
| 16:50:06 | dinah | hahahaha radeon VE kills nvidia |
| 16:50:23 | patlabor221 | well If I had one I'd use it |
| 16:50:31 | patlabor221 | but when the nvidas are free..... |
| 16:50:49 | dinah | it took me forever to get DRI working tough |
| 16:50:51 | akira_ | moin |
| 16:51:02 | Impulz | hmm.. some day when i'm really bored, i'll try to play bzflag using exceed on a windows machine :) |
| 16:51:12 | akira_ | lol |
| 16:51:20 | akira_ | pervert |
| 16:51:26 | dinah | loses all faith in humanity |
| 16:51:35 | patlabor221 | thanks to the nvida drivers I now have jacked x install |
| 16:51:47 | patlabor221 | time to re-install AGAIN. |
| 16:51:55 | dinah | what dist? |
| 16:52:01 | patlabor221 | redhat |
| 16:52:08 | dinah | 7.3! ;-) |
| 16:52:12 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:52:21 | dinah | love it |
| 16:52:30 | patlabor221 | need to put a biger drive in there anyway |
| 16:52:56 | dinah | why? |
| 16:52:57 | akira_ | patlabor221: why this ? |
| 16:53:13 | patlabor221 | its only 6 gig |
| 16:53:22 | dinah | cringes |
| 16:53:22 | patlabor221 | I got some 20's I can put in |
| 16:53:23 | akira_ | the nvidia drivers do nothing to force a new reinstall |
| 16:53:34 | patlabor221 | X won't start now |
| 16:53:38 | patlabor221 | the drivers won't go |
| 16:53:48 | patlabor221 | mising symbols and all |
| 16:53:51 | akira_ | and just becoz x wont start you will reinstall everything ? |
| 16:53:59 | patlabor221 | and my "friend" tried to fix it |
| 16:54:07 | dinah | just fiddle with the config file... |
| 16:54:08 | akira_ | ok, what grafikcard do you have ? |
| 16:54:13 | patlabor221 | so rather then figure out what he did |
| 16:54:17 | patlabor221 | I'll reinstall |
| 16:54:35 | patlabor221 | GF1 GF2MX GF3 GF4 I can put any of them int ehre |
| 16:54:55 | akira_ | you dont know what you do, do you ? |
| 16:55:35 | patlabor221 | ohh god no |
| 16:55:43 | akira_ | so, listen |
| 16:55:46 | patlabor221 | I don't know that mutch about linux |
| 16:55:53 | patlabor221 | okes |
| 16:56:01 | akira_ | paste the following file in my query or dinahs |
| 16:56:09 | akira_ | /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 16:56:13 | patlabor221 | I don't have the comp here |
| 16:56:20 | patlabor221 | :( |
| 16:56:24 | akira_ | /var/log/XFree*.log ... |
| 16:56:37 | dinah | well whats the comps ip? |
| 16:56:38 | akira_ | so write it down to paper and dont forget to come again ! |
| 16:56:44 | patlabor221 | I am |
| 16:57:26 | patlabor221 | I don't remember if it's on |
| 16:57:35 | akira_ | write it down |
| 16:57:36 | patlabor221 | but it's at pocketwrolds.kicks-ass.net |
| 16:57:36 | dinah | always wanted to ssh into someone elses machine |
| 16:57:49 | akira_ | ssh yourself dinah :) |
| 16:57:50 | patlabor221 | I can go home in a bit and turn it on if's it's not |
| 16:58:10 | patlabor221 | I am writing it down, just on something a bit better then paper |
| 16:58:51 | dinah | bloody hell unknown host |
| 16:59:00 | patlabor221 | shit I mispelled |
| 16:59:08 | patlabor221 | pocketworlds |
| 16:59:26 | dinah | oh its on ;-) |
| 17:00:04 | dinah | and its in cupertino california... |
| 17:00:22 | patlabor221 | no.... I'm not near there |
| 17:00:26 | patlabor221 | the DNS may be |
| 17:00:44 | patlabor221 | I just used gotdns.org |
| 17:00:59 | dinah | hmmmmm i really need to learn more about networks |
| 17:07:39 | patlabor221 | hmmm must not be on the only thing that's respoding is gateway. |
| 17:09:25 | dinah | i think hes on a cable service... |
| 17:09:47 | patlabor221 | DSL |
| 17:10:00 | dinah | ahh |
| 17:10:08 | patlabor221 | at home at least |
| 17:11:53 | patlabor221 | I'm at work now, but I'll proalbly be going home "Sick" soon :) |
| 17:12:15 | patlabor221 | as soon as I fix some stuff for the scriper idiots |
| 17:12:18 | dinah | being sick is not a thing to fake |
| 17:12:24 | patlabor221 | scripters I mean |
| 17:12:27 | patlabor221 | true |
| 17:12:36 | patlabor221 | but it lets me go home |
| 17:12:50 | dinah | trys to remember what it's like to be healthy |
| 17:13:04 | patlabor221 | I wouldn't know ether |
| 17:13:10 | patlabor221 | polysystic kidney disease |
| 17:13:20 | patlabor221 | pissing rocks is not fun |
| 17:13:37 | dinah | consumption, losing a lung is not fun |
| 17:13:42 | patlabor221 | true |
| 17:13:42 | akira_ | depends on your .. nah .. just .. foregt it :) |
| 17:13:54 | patlabor221 | losing anyting can not be fun |
| 17:14:10 | dinah | i beg to differ |
| 17:14:13 | akira_ | nope |
| 17:14:15 | akira_ | not true |
| 17:14:18 | patlabor221 | I get to look forward to dialasis and enventual loss of my mutant kideys |
| 17:14:20 | akira_ | loosing cancer is fine |
| 17:14:27 | strayer | haha |
| 17:14:31 | dinah | i remember losing one thing that i realy enjoyed |
| 17:14:44 | strayer | Ur teddy? |
| 17:14:45 | akira_ | to loose cancer .. not to die because of cancer i meant .. to be more precise |
| 17:15:00 | strayer | ah...ok |
| 17:15:01 | patlabor221 | virginity |
| 17:15:35 | dinah | the colonials they can be taught |
| 17:15:51 | akira_ | strayer .. in any league team ? |
| 17:16:01 | patlabor221 | well I am half british |
| 17:16:28 | dinah | bloody hell! youve made my day |
| 17:16:29 | strayer | and the other half? |
| 17:16:37 | strayer | akira....? |
| 17:17:02 | patlabor221 | German |
| 17:17:13 | strayer | oh ...dangerous mix |
| 17:17:16 | strayer | :) |
| 17:17:16 | patlabor221 | very |
| 17:17:27 | patlabor221 | grand parents very relay liked each other |
| 17:17:56 | strayer | hm....why not... |
| 17:18:01 | patlabor221 | I wish I could go to england one day, suposedlyt ehre are a bunch of old building smy great grandfather made in london |
| 17:18:33 | dinah | who was yer grandfather? |
| 17:18:39 | strayer | wow...visit UK...no problem i think |
| 17:19:19 | patlabor221 | crap wjy can't I rmemeber his first name nwo |
| 17:19:25 | patlabor221 | noone ever realy talked about him |
| 17:19:25 | dinah | thhehehe |
| 17:19:33 | patlabor221 | I just new him as pappy |
| 17:19:45 | patlabor221 | I tink I only saw him once |
| 17:19:46 | strayer | ah....not nuch |
| 17:19:51 | patlabor221 | when I was very ver little |
| 17:19:53 | strayer | nuch=much |
| 17:19:59 | dinah | well know the names of the buildings? |
| 17:20:06 | strayer | tower? |
| 17:20:09 | strayer | :) |
| 17:20:09 | patlabor221 | no but my grandfather does |
| 17:20:18 | patlabor221 | there weren't big oones |
| 17:20:36 | patlabor221 | I |
| 17:21:19 | patlabor221 | 'll have to ask him when I see him next |
| 17:21:46 | strayer | where he is...UK or Germany |
| 17:21:55 | dinah | so back to bzflag.... |
| 17:22:01 | patlabor221 | los angelses :) |
| 17:22:12 | strayer | pf...ui |
| 17:22:28 | patlabor221 | has anyone done any more work on the map format for 1.8? I want to make an editor for it |
| 17:24:39 | dinah | hmmm guess not... |
| 17:25:35 | patlabor221 | editing those XML things is gonna get complicated |
| 17:26:11 | dinah | no one uses 1.8 anyway |
| 17:26:43 | akira_ | dinah: not true |
| 17:26:49 | akira_ | captain proton use it |
| 17:26:55 | akira_ | mr apathy cream use it |
| 17:27:12 | dinah | now if in 1.8 tanks couldnt drive through each other, id switch |
| 17:27:13 | Chestal | well, of course not, because it's still in a very early stage |
| 17:27:25 | akira_ | hehe :)) |
| 17:27:26 | Chestal | tanks driving through each other is a good thing :-) |
| 17:27:34 | dinah | it rotts |
| 17:27:38 | Chestal | no, I like it |
| 17:27:45 | dinah | pouts |
| 17:27:46 | strayer | which features are included into 1.8? |
| 17:27:47 | Chestal | if this changes for 1.8, it should be optional |
| 17:29:19 | patlabor221 | since it's all suposed to be changing for 1.8 I am kind of divided, do I add stuff to my 1.7 editor or wait fro 1.8 to be defined |
| 17:29:54 | akira_ | does bzflag 1.8 support pixelshading for dynamic lighting ? |
| 17:30:10 | patlabor221 | it sounsly like not everyone is on the 1.8 bandwagon |
| 17:30:20 | Chestal | akira: currently 1.8 has less lighting features than 1.7 |
| 17:30:30 | akira_ | thats a wise decision |
| 17:30:34 | patlabor221 | cap was talking about lightmaps, i don't know if they have decided on how to do new lighing |
| 17:30:40 | akira_ | lights always a loss of performance |
| 17:30:45 | dinah | how many triangles can it spport? |
| 17:31:02 | patlabor221 | since they are talking about arbitrary models, they will hve to come up with a new lighing method |
| 17:31:04 | akira_ | and one has to be very careful to work with lights |
| 17:31:22 | patlabor221 | yeah it can be slow to use the GL lights |
| 17:31:24 | akira_ | a new lighting method ? no glLight any longer ? |
| 17:31:25 | Chestal | we should skip gl as renderer and use povray instead ;-) |
| 17:31:37 | akira_ | hehe |
| 17:31:38 | akira_ | :)) |
| 17:31:43 | dinah | hell yes! |
| 17:31:45 | patlabor221 | posibly I was sigesting they use projected texutres for stuff |
| 17:31:50 | akira_ | patlabor221: |
| 17:31:52 | akira_ | muahhhahaa |
| 17:32:04 | Chestal | we coukdl even use radiosity and focusing then |
| 17:32:06 | akira_ | THIS could be much WORSE then glLight |
| 17:32:27 | patlabor221 | posibly depending on card support |
| 17:32:40 | akira_ | the little bit moving a bullet-texture through the world is nothing to projected textures |
| 17:32:53 | Chestal | akira: do you have a nice picture to replace the mountains in 1.8? they look ugly in high resolutions |
| 17:32:56 | dinah | someone should integrate the asci display plugin from xine... |
| 17:33:09 | akira_ | patlabor221: i tried projected textures with performer on sgi and geforce 2 3 ... half the fps |
| 17:33:18 | akira_ | coz its a 2 path algorithm |
| 17:33:19 | patlabor221 | I was sugesting they look into map specified skybox support |
| 17:33:36 | akira_ | Chestal: ich schicks dir nachhern zu ok, ichgeh gleich los hier |
| 17:34:03 | akira_ | patlabor221: i was thinking about adding a cool skybox the 1.7e6+ tree |
| 17:34:05 | patlabor221 | last think I think he was looking into was lightmaps |
| 17:34:07 | Chestal | feel free to work on 1.8, currently captain proton + MrApathyCream seem to be the only ones who do any development |
| 17:34:20 | Chestal | and crs23 wasn't seen for a long time I gues |
| 17:34:22 | | crs23 was last seen on #bzflag 69 days, 17 hours, 27 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: okay. whenever. i think it'll help you. [Wed Apr 24 01:07:20 2002] |
| 17:34:22 | Chestal | ibot: seen crs23 |
| 17:34:27 | patlabor221 | skyboxes look realy cool |
| 17:34:36 | patlabor221 | I've implemented them in my own stuff |
| 17:34:56 | akira_ | patlabor221: what stuff ? |
| 17:35:04 | patlabor221 | test apps |
| 17:35:22 | Chestal | we could need soem peopel with gl knowledge |
| 17:35:24 | akira_ | patlabor221: and lightmaps are really different from projected textures |
| 17:35:30 | patlabor221 | yes very |
| 17:35:32 | Chestal | because I have none |
| 17:35:56 | patlabor221 | akira_: you can so the light maps in 1 pass wiht the multi texture extension |
| 17:36:00 | akira_ | patlabor221: i made a skybox with textures from halflife.whatever.dont.remember.the.page :) |
| 17:36:22 | patlabor221 | akira_: Proalby the wadfather, thats where I got mine too |
| 17:36:29 | akira_ | patlabor221: even without multitexturing you should be able to do it in one pass |
| 17:36:38 | akira_ | patlabor221: show me your url |
| 17:37:11 | patlabor221 | http://www.planethalflife.com/wadfather/ was where I ganked the ones I used |
| 17:37:23 | akira_ | yep, think so too |
| 17:37:34 | patlabor221 | some of those are very nice |
| 17:37:35 | [TeA|TrEE] | chestal =? |
| 17:37:44 | [TeA|TrEE] | hast du hl und cs ? |
| 17:37:48 | akira_ | Chestal: mr apathy did some .. theme based textures i guess |
| 17:37:52 | akira_ | visit his page ! |
| 17:38:19 | Chestal | tea: ich? nein |
| 17:38:26 | [TeA|TrEE] | akira ? |
| 17:38:30 | Chestal | akira: yes, I never tried them, though. I guess they're for 1.7? |
| 17:38:32 | patlabor221 | akira: how would you do a light map with 1 pass? with out the exension? |
| 17:38:37 | akira_ | tea NO, once more :) |
| 17:38:45 | [TeA|TrEE] | :) |
| 17:39:13 | akira_ | patlabor221: i would multiply the value from the lightmap in the initphase withe the rgba value of any texture ... |
| 17:39:32 | akira_ | if the user wants to use no lightmaps, you had to reload the textures |
| 17:39:53 | patlabor221 | aki: ok so that when the texure is sent it's allreayd light maped. how fast is that? |
| 17:39:57 | akira_ | http://www.planethalflife.com/crinity/arcmay.html patlabor221 my link |
| 17:40:07 | [TeA|TrEE] | Today im ordering my new pc !!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) HAPPY |
| 17:40:13 | [TeA|TrEE] | LOL |
| 17:40:34 | akira_ | patlabor221: how fast is what ? the multiplying once ? |
| 17:40:41 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 17:40:44 | patlabor221 | duh |
| 17:40:56 | akira_ | could be lead to more textures |
| 17:40:59 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:41:06 | patlabor221 | a lot more |
| 17:41:13 | akira_ | so .. dont know .. depends on the scene i guess |
| 17:41:37 | patlabor221 | most modern cards support the multi texture |
| 17:41:46 | akira_ | yep |
| 17:42:05 | akira_ | of coz .. but the idea for just 1 pass in all case is true though :) |
| 17:42:24 | akira_ | Chestal: patlabor221 http://www.planethalflife.com/crinity/skymain.htm |
| 17:43:02 | patlabor221 | I'm dling some now |
| 17:43:09 | patlabor221 | they look very good |
| 17:43:13 | akira_ | yep |
| 17:43:17 | akira_ | they are pretty cool |
| 17:43:19 | Chestal | hmm, 1.8 seems to use 6 montain images for the horizon |
| 17:43:29 | patlabor221 | 1.7 did too |
| 17:43:32 | akira_ | a friend of mine uses them in our vr-application :)) |
| 17:43:47 | akira_ | think he has to enter the cave with this scenario :) |
| 17:43:53 | Chestal | a problem with those skymaps is that they do not fit in too well with bzflag's clouds, sun and lighting |
| 17:44:05 | patlabor221 | they don't allow the time of day to change |
| 17:44:15 | patlabor221 | nether do lightmaps |
| 17:44:17 | akira_ | Chestal: the sun is useless .... |
| 17:44:31 | akira_ | clouds are not bad but useless too |
| 17:44:51 | Chestal | the sky and the horizon should be separated |
| 17:45:10 | akira_ | sky and horizon are useless too :) |
| 17:45:28 | akira_ | you told me just seconds ago such stuff only lead to loss of focus |
| 17:46:05 | Chestal | me? |
| 17:46:16 | akira_ | you |
| 17:46:21 | Chestal | I said no such thing!? |
| 17:46:29 | akira_ | ich geh rueber innen pool. bis gleich nase |
| 17:46:43 | akira_ | Message from Chestal |
| 17:46:44 | akira_ | Tue Jul 2 18:00:19 2002 [----] |
| 17:46:44 | akira_ | ich mag auch die Verschiebung des Blickpunkts nicht, irritiert ich einfach |
| 17:46:51 | akira_ | Message from Chestal |
| 17:46:51 | akira_ | Tue Jul 2 18:01:59 2002 [----] |
| 17:46:51 | akira_ | ich seh halt jetzt mehr Himmel |
| 17:47:03 | akira_ | bis gleich |
| 17:47:10 | akira_ | and .. MOLES FOR EVER :)) |
| 17:47:29 | dinah | is away: i have to go lay down |
| 17:48:30 | Chestal | hmm, what's this meqintro.png? |
| 17:48:43 | Chestal | and the other team logos? |
| 17:49:41 | Chestal | hmm, maybe it's just my local copy, I'll update |
| 18:06:59 | akira_ | back |
| 18:08:53 | akira_ | no one here ? :) |
| 18:09:13 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:09:34 | patlabor221 | god I don't want to work anymore |
| 18:09:50 | akira_ | wanne fight ? |
| 18:09:51 | jzaun | Get layed off like me :-P |
| 18:10:49 | patlabor221 | well then there is that problem of not having money for food |
| 18:10:52 | patlabor221 | and dsl |
| 18:11:03 | akira_ | german pat ? |
| 18:11:13 | patlabor221 | no |
| 18:11:22 | patlabor221 | just english and bad english |
| 18:11:36 | akira_ | i meant .. dsl .. where do you come from ? |
| 18:11:52 | patlabor221 | ohh I'm in california |
| 18:12:04 | akira_ | ahh |
| 18:12:30 | patlabor221 | at least the boring part of cali |
| 18:13:37 | patlabor221 | and there is the man you can ask about 1.8 lighing :) |
| 18:14:13 | akira_ | captain_proton: what are the plans for lighting / illumination effects in 1.8 ? |
| 18:14:49 | captain_proton | we're probably going to do multitexturing/multipass |
| 18:15:01 | captain_proton | crs is really against meshing (how we do it in 1.7) |
| 18:15:02 | patlabor221 | lightmaps then? |
| 18:15:31 | captain_proton | yes, probably |
| 18:16:49 | akira_ | but no multipass please |
| 18:17:51 | captain_proton | multipass would the the fallback for cards that don't support ARB_multitexture |
| 18:18:10 | akira_ | puh... my does :) |
| 18:18:31 | akira_ | captain_proton: do you do more use of the std than in 1.7 ? |
| 18:18:41 | captain_proton | a lot more |
| 18:18:50 | captain_proton | 1.7 didn't use any |
| 18:18:54 | akira_ | puh .. hope so |
| 18:19:03 | akira_ | it uses std::strings now :)) |
| 18:21:39 | patlabor221 | are you looking at the game calcuating the lightmaps or the map editor? |
| 18:21:49 | iLLf8d | brb |
| 18:21:49 | captain_proton | yeah, BzfString is gone |
| 18:22:14 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i'm not sure about precomputed lightmaps - it will probably start out with a dynamic lightmap for shot illumination |
| 18:22:54 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 18:23:37 | captain_proton | but i'd like to see the possibility of also including static lightmaps for user-placed lights |
| 18:34:30 | patlabor221 | yeah that would look good |
| 18:34:40 | patlabor221 | interobject shadows :) |
| 18:36:23 | akira_ | will we got a free look ? |
| 18:37:10 | akira_ | Chestal: da ? |
| 18:37:43 | captain_proton | in which case we get to write a radiosity engine for the map editor |
| 18:37:55 | patlabor221 | not that hard |
| 18:38:32 | captain_proton | shadows are a bit weirder because you're outside |
| 18:38:36 | captain_proton | so you have the sun to deal with |
| 18:38:48 | patlabor221 | just a large light source |
| 18:38:55 | akira_ | if the sun shines where are the lightmaps ? |
| 18:39:13 | patlabor221 | but if you go precomputerd then you can't do dynamic sun movmeents |
| 18:39:16 | akira_ | if the sun moves .. what do the lightmaps ? |
| 18:39:23 | akira_ | exacto |
| 18:39:32 | akira_ | but sun isnt really necassary |
| 18:39:38 | captain_proton | yes it is ;) |
| 18:39:52 | akira_ | no it isnt :) |
| 18:40:09 | patlabor221 | it should be map specified |
| 18:40:17 | patlabor221 | then you could make "mood" maps |
| 18:41:50 | patlabor221 | gota run home and turn on the linux machine and get those files for ya alira |
| 18:42:44 | akira_ | akira |
| 18:42:45 | akira_ | k |
| 18:42:48 | akira_ | :) |
| 18:43:01 | patlabor221 | sorry :) |
| 18:43:13 | patlabor221 | I type too fast sometimes :) |
| 19:01:27 | dinah | is back (gone 01:13:58) |
| 19:01:51 | dinah | thats right, fear not, i have returned ;) |
| 19:04:56 | dinah | now dont all speak at once... |
| 19:07:22 | dinah | should have stayed in bed |
| 19:09:40 | captain_proton | hi dinah |
| 19:09:55 | dinah | well hello then :) |
| 19:11:17 | patlabor221 | akira: I cna't send you those config files from my linux machine, all it does it keep rebooting now |
| 19:11:30 | captain_proton | config files? |
| 19:11:39 | dinah | he busted his x |
| 19:11:46 | akira_ | why does it keep it rebooting ? |
| 19:11:51 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 19:12:02 | patlabor221 | just in the middle of loading, boop reboot |
| 19:12:07 | captain_proton | akira_: whats the problem? |
| 19:12:15 | patlabor221 | win2k loads fine on the same machine |
| 19:12:19 | akira_ | patlabor221: you was the freak that shoot his x ? |
| 19:12:44 | patlabor221 | I just tried to install the drivers |
| 19:12:52 | dinah | rember he had the nvidia problems |
| 19:13:09 | patlabor221 | I'm gonna get a brand new card for it today |
| 19:13:36 | patlabor221 | ether a 4 MX or a little radion VE |
| 19:13:40 | patlabor221 | dono yet tho |
| 19:13:44 | akira_ | NO radion :) |
| 19:13:49 | akira_ | take nvidia |
| 19:13:50 | dinah | little!! |
| 19:14:04 | akira_ | carmacks reference should be your reference |
| 19:14:06 | dinah | i can crush you punny nvidia |
| 19:14:09 | akira_ | but dont take the 4 mx ... |
| 19:14:10 | captain_proton | nvidia has the best drivers for linux anywhere |
| 19:14:19 | patlabor221 | I know I won't have a problem with the win drivers |
| 19:14:19 | captain_proton | DRI sucks big |
| 19:14:37 | patlabor221 | what one will be easiest to get HW accell under linux? |
| 19:14:40 | dinah | someday id like you to see my mchine |
| 19:14:42 | captain_proton | nvidia for sure |
| 19:14:46 | Chestal | DRI rules |
| 19:14:53 | akira_ | nvidia rules |
| 19:14:59 | captain_proton | Chestal: compared to the nv drivers? no |
| 19:15:06 | Chestal | Matrox is easy, too, but their 3D performance is rather outdated |
| 19:15:15 | captain_proton | DRI is good when you compare it to a sharp stick in the eye |
| 19:15:24 | dinah | fock the bloody driveres radeon VE is simply a better card |
| 19:15:25 | patlabor221 | good god what did I do? |
| 19:15:32 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 19:15:37 | akira_ | i only can repaet me |
| 19:15:40 | captain_proton | dinah: but if you can't take advantage, whats the point? |
| 19:15:48 | Chestal | most card with nvidia and radeon chips suck |
| 19:15:50 | akira_ | just took the reference john carmack gives |
| 19:15:52 | dinah | oh but i can silly man |
| 19:16:00 | Chestal | the chip migh tbe good, but most of them suffer from bad singal quality etc. |
| 19:16:06 | captain_proton | dinah: when the driver sucks, performance sucks |
| 19:16:13 | akira_ | Chestal: i can see everything on my screen |
| 19:16:16 | Chestal | peopel are just looking at simplified FPS benchmarks these days |
| 19:16:37 | akira_ | Chestal: nope, i am looking on the quality of the opengl implementation |
| 19:16:37 | Chestal | akira: there are big differences between cards |
| 19:16:41 | dinah | oh my dear simple boys. there are more drivers than you know of... |
| 19:16:50 | akira_ | on the possibility to code vertex/pixelshaders etc |
| 19:16:54 | dinah | bah opengl! |
| 19:17:08 | Chestal | hmm, pixelshaders with gl? is that possible? |
| 19:17:17 | patlabor221 | with extensions |
| 19:17:25 | captain_proton | or opengl 2 |
| 19:17:30 | akira_ | no extension ... exacto |
| 19:17:41 | Chestal | I know nearly nothing of pixelshaders, isn't that a kind of special assembler for simple 3d operations? |
| 19:17:57 | captain_proton | its a special assembly language for lighting operations |
| 19:17:59 | akira_ | Chestal: vertex and pixel shader aare little programmable units IN the pipeline .. |
| 19:17:59 | Chestal | how does that work with different hardware? |
| 19:18:04 | patlabor221 | minicode to run register combiners |
| 19:18:21 | akira_ | ist like an opengl implementation |
| 19:18:25 | patlabor221 | DX8 has an api for them |
| 19:18:26 | Chestal | did they agree on common operations? |
| 19:18:29 | captain_proton | nvidia did it first, and ATI copied their language |
| 19:18:31 | patlabor221 | nvida hs there little things |
| 19:18:35 | akira_ | the hardeware is different but the calls are the same |
| 19:18:50 | akira_ | dx sucks |
| 19:18:57 | dinah | but ati has more money, more resorces, better hardware... |
| 19:19:09 | patlabor221 | there are some people who have there own lang that spans multiple hardwares, saw a semiar at GDC by them |
| 19:19:10 | captain_proton | ati does not have more money or more resources |
| 19:19:15 | akira_ | ati sucks |
| 19:19:24 | akira_ | ati build oem 2d cards |
| 19:19:28 | captain_proton | cg would be perfect but it needs pointers |
| 19:19:31 | akira_ | thats why they make money |
| 19:19:38 | dinah | oh i just wish you could sit before my super machine and see what ati can do! |
| 19:19:40 | akira_ | captain_proton: why does cg need pointers ??? |
| 19:19:48 | Chestal | what's cg? |
| 19:19:51 | captain_proton | akira_: vertex arrays |
| 19:19:58 | akira_ | captain_proton: ???? why ??? |
| 19:20:00 | captain_proton | Chestal: nvidia's new high-level shader language |
| 19:20:04 | patlabor221 | dinah: does the VE have TV out? |
| 19:20:09 | dinah | yes |
| 19:20:14 | akira_ | why the hell did the vertex shader need pointer to the vertex array ? |
| 19:20:27 | akira_ | Chestal: c for graphics |
| 19:20:41 | Chestal | hmm, what's with the pointers? |
| 19:20:53 | captain_proton | akira_: it doesn't need it, but you could do some nifty things with it |
| 19:21:00 | akira_ | captain_proton: example |
| 19:21:10 | dinah | and i have dual moniter spport now... i dont care if your cards are "better" none of you have two 21 inchers! |
| 19:21:16 | captain_proton | state-based vertex functions |
| 19:21:24 | patlabor221 | dinah, I do :) |
| 19:21:33 | akira_ | captain_proton: the stupidiest thing i heart was, that you need pointers coz scenegraphs needs pointers |
| 19:21:38 | dinah | patlabor221: flat screen? |
| 19:21:39 | Chestal | it's good that there are at least 3 vendors of 3d Chips for PC video cards |
| 19:21:43 | akira_ | captain_proton: example in detail ... |
| 19:21:59 | Chestal | although nvidea is dominating the market, there's still ATI and Matrox |
| 19:22:04 | captain_proton | akira_: the function would operate differently based on the existing vertex positions |
| 19:22:13 | patlabor221 | d: no tubes, but realy nice trinitrons with flat fronts |
| 19:22:31 | dinah | patlabor221: i used to have those |
| 19:22:38 | captain_proton | patlabor221: you have 2 trinitrons? i only have one... |
| 19:22:57 | patlabor221 | well techincaly I have about 5 |
| 19:23:00 | captain_proton | argg |
| 19:23:06 | Chestal | hehe, he is still playing: m0nkey_b0y 67 (406 wins, 339 losses) |
| 19:23:18 | dinah | i once set my video level to high and blew the guns... |
| 19:24:01 | dinah | so now its flatscreen for ever |
| 19:24:36 | patlabor221 | d: the only thing I don't like about flats, is that they need to inerpolate when you run a res difrent from there phisical layout |
| 19:24:42 | akira_ | captain proton: the vertex shade comes into the game, when the vertices survived culling and transformation |
| 19:24:55 | patlabor221 | d: and noone makes a lcd that runs at 1900+ |
| 19:25:00 | akira_ | so its pretty stupid to get access to the whole vertex array isnt it ? |
| 19:25:29 | dinah | patlabor221: yeah but hey i can always get the new ones when they come out |
| 19:25:46 | captain_proton | dinah: thats an expensive proposition |
| 19:26:28 | dinah | i have plenty of pretty polly. a good graphic designer can make a rather nice living you know |
| 19:27:09 | captain_proton | perhaps so, but i have other things i'd rather spend my money on |
| 19:27:37 | dinah | oh so do i. belive me its not cheap to have a lung removed ;-/ |
| 19:27:39 | akira_ | captain_proton: so .. ? |
| 19:27:56 | akira_ | dinah: you should have selled the lung :) |
| 19:27:58 | akira_ | hello FantaZee |
| 19:28:05 | FantaZee | hi akira :) |
| 19:28:08 | Chestal | akira: patch uploaded |
| 19:28:18 | captain_proton | akira_: there are always arguments against it, but i don't see the point of sacrificing power in the name of simplicity |
| 19:28:28 | dinah | it dint work though. oh i should have put it on e-bay! |
| 19:28:31 | akira_ | its useless |
| 19:28:35 | FantaZee | sag mir mal deine seite. hab den letzten von ara gemailt bekommen |
| 19:28:37 | akira_ | think about it again |
| 19:28:39 | patlabor221 | no body parts on ebay |
| 19:28:46 | patlabor221 | they won't allow it |
| 19:28:50 | akira_ | the vertexshader is a program that runs on the graphic card |
| 19:29:09 | dinah | well its not like they could have used it anyway... |
| 19:29:10 | akira_ | the vertex arrays contain data which is in the mainmemory |
| 19:29:17 | akira_ | its that simple |
| 19:29:36 | akira_ | i wouldnt transfer data twice or more over the bus, really |
| 19:30:08 | akira_ | Chestal: haste fein gemacht |
| 19:30:30 | FantaZee | akira: sag mal bitte |
| 19:31:54 | FantaZee | akira ? |
| 19:32:06 | akira_ | wasn ? |
| 19:32:17 | FantaZee | sag mir mal deine seite. hab den letzten von ara gemailt bekommen |
| 19:32:32 | FantaZee | oder meinst du auf source forge ? |
| 19:34:21 | Chestal | Fant: ich hab den neuen patch auf sf geschoben, weis snicht ob akira schon ein Binary veroefefntlicht hat |
| 19:34:49 | akira_ | FantaZee: du kannst gleich das neueste win32 binary ausprobieren |
| 19:35:04 | FantaZee | ja. super |
| 19:35:07 | akira_ | captain_proton: argue against me, please .. i will understand that pointer thing |
| 19:36:31 | akira_ | FantaZee: www.wirrehomepage.de -> files -> bzflag |
| 19:36:54 | akira_ | chestal hat laengere shots reingehackt und nen neues grosses untermenu |
| 19:37:02 | akira_ | sonst kommen wir nicht mehr hinterher mit platz :)) |
| 19:38:01 | FantaZee | ok ich teste :) |
| 19:38:13 | captain_proton | i'm sorry akira_, i have to go take care of some things |
| 19:38:53 | akira_ | captain_proton: just think about it and tell me the next time more arguments, i really want to believe that there is need for pointers on the gpu |
| 19:40:17 | akira_ | FantaZee: teste :) |
| 19:43:36 | akira_ | cu all |
| 19:43:45 | akira_ | now is in the cinema |
| 19:43:50 | akira_ | winke winke and till later |
| 19:44:31 | patlabor221 | I take it that a vooddoo 5 is not a good thing to try and get running under linux |
| 19:44:56 | dinah | im sure i wouldnt know |
| 19:45:17 | patlabor221 | somone just offerd me one |
| 19:45:30 | patlabor221 | damn card has it's own power connector |
| 19:45:33 | dinah | well give it a try |
| 19:47:38 | patlabor221 | can't even get the machine to a prompt. keeps rebooting |
| 19:47:45 | patlabor221 | methings it's fugged |
| 19:48:03 | dinah | umm is it set to boot x automaticly? |
| 19:48:11 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 19:48:18 | patlabor221 | turned that off |
| 19:48:39 | dinah | well bugger all, i dont know that much about any of this |
| 19:48:50 | patlabor221 | and I know less then you |
| 19:49:07 | patlabor221 | I'll just reinstall there was nothingon there anyway |
| 19:49:13 | dinah | id say ask proton hes helped me before, ill wager he knows near to everything |
| 19:49:40 | patlabor221 | I shall when I get it all going again |
| 20:21:49 | FantaZee | chestal |
| 20:22:31 | FantaZee | ist ganz nett der patch. thx |
| 20:22:35 | FantaZee | ncu all |
| 20:32:40 | BZFrank | hi |
| 20:33:30 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 20:36:13 | patlabor221 | how goes P2501? |
| 20:37:21 | BZFrank | good, thanks - still some things to do but playable already ;) |
| 20:37:30 | patlabor221 | very cool |
| 20:38:37 | BZFrank | some flags are missing, I only got IGM, Flame thrower, Railgun and ABomb as offensive flags yet and cloaking, stealth and maxthruster for defensive |
| 20:39:28 | BZFrank | and I need to put the model space in a virtual filesystem (like the Quake PAK archive) otherwise so much files are flowing around |
| 20:39:28 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 20:39:46 | patlabor221 | gonna use your own? |
| 20:39:52 | patlabor221 | I've ben looking into zip |
| 20:40:05 | BZFrank | nah, there is a nice one on flipcode |
| 20:40:21 | BZFrank | look for the COTD archive |
| 20:40:30 | patlabor221 | saw that recently |
| 20:40:32 | BZFrank | no need to reinvent the wheel |
| 20:40:49 | BZFrank | and it is a ZIP archive under the hood so peopel can build world files easily |
| 20:46:34 | BZFrank | uh, now that is a large tiff, 21600x12000, makes GIMP bag for more memory ;) |
| 20:48:55 | Chestal | hmm, about 600mb of raw image data if I am not mistaken |
| 20:49:08 | BZFrank | about... |
| 20:49:38 | Chestal | well, I'm off, cu |
| 20:49:46 | BZFrank | cu |
| 20:59:15 | akira_ | abnd |
| 20:59:18 | akira_ | abnd |
| 20:59:28 | jpablo | hey akira |
| 21:00:05 | akira_ | does someone know how to get these damn ogm codec ? :) |
| 21:00:16 | akira_ | especially you jpablo ? |
| 21:00:26 | jpablo | humm, it's default on xine and mplayer in linux. |
| 21:00:42 | akira_ | windows |
| 21:00:43 | akira_ | win32 |
| 21:01:04 | jpablo | wait. |
| 21:01:32 | jpablo | http://falconx.dhs.org/RGlist.html |
| 21:05:37 | akira_ | mhh .. what need i exactly ? |
| 21:07:25 | jpablo | http://www.doom9.org/software2.htm#filters |
| 21:07:25 | jpablo | Ogg Directshow Filters i think. |
| 21:07:28 | akira_ | sound i have now .. where is the damn video |
| 21:08:14 | jpablo | hehe. |
| 21:08:59 | akira_ | i hate win32 |
| 21:09:02 | jpablo | you may want to ask in irc://irc.aniverse.com/#rg |
| 21:09:02 | jpablo | i don't really know about windows, in linux it just work. |
| 21:09:38 | jpablo | me too. |
| 21:14:03 | akira_ | jpablo: the irchannel there is quite strange |
| 21:14:57 | jpablo | just tell your problem. |
| 21:15:24 | akira_ | first to sentences i got: if you ask questions answered in the faq you will be kickend |
| 21:15:34 | akira_ | my first q was: where is the faq |
| 21:15:37 | akira_ | i got: !list |
| 21:15:39 | akira_ | done |
| 21:15:56 | akira_ | 1000000 of lines from alle people there with just stupid stuff |
| 21:17:42 | akira_ | moin paul |
| 21:18:23 | paul_ | heya akira.. |
| 21:18:31 | paul_ | and what you mean 'moin'? |
| 21:18:59 | akira_ | ist something like "hey" |
| 21:19:06 | paul_ | ah... ok. :) |
| 21:19:19 | paul_ | auf deutsch, i presume? |
| 21:19:29 | paul_ | or is that 'im deutsch'? |
| 21:19:38 | akira_ | nope |
| 21:19:41 | paul_ | has forgotten his german. |
| 21:20:56 | BZFlag | ibot x de en moin |
| 21:20:57 | | BZFlag: moin |
| 21:21:00 | BZFlag | heh |
| 21:21:18 | paul_ | anyway, 'moin' to you to akira. |
| 21:21:19 | paul_ | :) |
| 21:21:25 | BZFlag | ibot x en de hey you |
| 21:21:25 | | BZFlag: hey Sie |
| 21:21:44 | BZFlag | lame ibot, who runs him anyway. ;-) |
| 21:21:44 | paul_ | he he |
| 21:21:48 | paul_ | you do? |
| 21:21:51 | BZFlag | yep |
| 21:22:05 | | paul_: excuse me? |
| 21:22:05 | paul_ | ibot x en nl hey you |
| 21:22:19 | paul_ | ibot x en fr hey you |
| 21:22:20 | | paul_: hé vous |
| 21:22:23 | BZFlag | he uses babelfish, so no nl |
| 21:22:27 | paul_ | ah... |
| 21:22:29 | paul_ | ok. |
| 21:22:34 | | jolly was last seen on #bzflag 10 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: he is [Sat Jun 22 19:42:18 2002] |
| 21:22:34 | paul_ | ibot seen jolly |
| 21:22:46 | | I haven't seen 'lazarus', paul_ |
| 21:22:46 | paul_ | ibot seen lazarus |
| 21:22:49 | | I haven't seen 'lasarus', paul_ |
| 21:22:49 | paul_ | ibot seen lasarus |
| 21:22:52 | | I haven't seen 'laz', paul_ |
| 21:22:52 | paul_ | ibot seen laz |
| 21:22:58 | | I haven't seen 'angiebzgirl', paul_ |
| 21:22:58 | paul_ | ibot seen angiebzgirl |
| 21:23:02 | | I haven't seen 'angelabzgirl', paul_ |
| 21:23:02 | paul_ | ibot seen angelabzgirl |
| 21:23:05 | paul_ | grr.. |
| 21:23:14 | | bugger all, i dunno, paul_ |
| 21:23:14 | paul_ | ibot team ressurection? |
| 21:23:22 | | paul_: sorry... |
| 21:23:22 | paul_ | ibot bugger all use you are.. |
| 21:23:29 | | paul_: i'm not following you... |
| 21:23:29 | paul_ | ibot you should be. |
| 21:23:46 | | paul_: sorry... |
| 21:23:46 | paul_ | ibot course not, cause you're just a dumb bot |
| 21:23:57 | BZFlag | ok, msg ibot if you want to keep chatting. |
| 21:24:03 | paul_ | sorry.. :) |
| 21:24:17 | paul_ | anyone seen angie / laz / wing? |
| 21:24:48 | captain_proton | BZFlag: back from OLS? |
| 21:30:02 | captain_proton | any opinions on the Dodge flag? |
| 21:30:16 | taD_gone | dodge? |
| 21:30:21 | taD_gone | what does that do? |
| 21:30:29 | taD_gone | slid to the side? |
| 21:30:33 | taD_gone | slide* |
| 21:30:40 | captain_proton | increases initial acceleration |
| 21:30:58 | akira_ | captain_proton: thought about pointers on graka ? |
| 21:31:04 | taD_gone | oh |
| 21:31:50 | captain_proton | akira_: no, got other things on my mind |
| 21:32:14 | akira_ | eg `? |
| 21:32:35 | captain_proton | ? |
| 21:32:43 | akira_ | example given |
| 21:33:00 | akira_ | the problem you think about |
| 21:33:10 | captain_proton | new flags ;) |
| 21:33:28 | akira_ | what flags ? |
| 21:33:43 | captain_proton | trying to decide about dodge |
| 21:34:11 | akira_ | ah, hard decision really :) |
| 21:34:11 | taD_gone | hmm |
| 21:37:59 | BZFlag | captain_proton: what does dodge do? |
| 21:38:25 | captain_proton | <captain_proton> increases initial acceleration |
| 21:38:36 | BZFlag | so you can go from -full speed to +full speed instantly? |
| 21:38:48 | captain_proton | not quite instantly, but thats the idea |
| 21:39:18 | BZFlag | hmm. I'd ahve to play with it to be sure, but I don't think I'm interested. |
| 21:40:06 | BZFlag | OLS was a blast. |
| 21:40:16 | captain_proton | apathy has a 1.7 patch for it on sf |
| 21:40:30 | BZFlag | I rooted a bunch of machines in the lab to install bzflag and do a net game. |
| 21:40:43 | captain_proton | haha |
| 21:40:45 | BZFlag | I was amazed how many people had never seen or heard of bzflag. |
| 21:40:46 | captain_proton | nice |
| 21:40:58 | captain_proton | NEVER HEARD OF BZFLAG?!?! |
| 21:41:08 | BZFlag | yeah, that was my reaction as well. |
| 21:41:40 | captain_proton | shakes his head |
| 21:42:08 | captain_proton | so when do we get to sue lindows? |
| 21:42:17 | dinah | giggles |
| 21:42:18 | captain_proton | =} |
| 21:42:30 | jpablo | what's the problem with lindows ? |
| 21:42:42 | captain_proton | http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=744&pg=specs |
| 21:42:45 | dinah | whats the problem with a lower gi? |
| 21:43:38 | BZFlag | I should call them right now in fact... |
| 21:43:50 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 21:43:55 | captain_proton | record the conversation and post an mp3 ;) |
| 21:44:25 | captain_proton | sorta like sending the quarters of a traitor to the four corners of the empire as a warning =D |
| 21:44:28 | BZFlag | heh, that would be cool. |
| 21:44:56 | taD_gone | /. there website... |
| 21:45:52 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-02 21:38:19 | MP3 for Gameboy | Zimmermann Suggests Freeing PGP Source | Options for Adults with Renewed Interest in Math? | Design Hardware/Software for Global Civil Society |
| 21:45:52 | dinah | ibot: slashdot |
| 21:46:26 | akira_ | jpablo: there are so many assholes in that channel |
| 21:46:40 | Widget | Yes! Crush Lindows like a bug!!! |
| 21:46:47 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ok, lemme run a couple more flags by you (before i port them to 1.8) |
| 21:46:50 | jpablo | hehe. |
| 21:46:54 | captain_proton | burrow? |
| 21:47:04 | captain_proton | (apathy will cry if you don't accept burrow) |
| 21:47:09 | jpablo | it's where i get my anime. |
| 21:47:33 | akira_ | jpablo: so really .. THIS is a quite nice channel against that stupid fucking arrogant mastermind idiot |
| 21:47:35 | akira_ | jpablo: so really .. THIS is a quite nice channel against that stupid fucking arrogant mastermind idiots |
| 21:50:18 | BZFlag | burrow sounds like fun. |
| 21:50:36 | captain_proton | theif? (this is actually stubbed in the flag list already) |
| 21:50:45 | taD_gone | yea |
| 21:50:47 | BZFlag | akira_: please tone down the language and CAPS. |
| 21:51:02 | akira_ | was just one cap |
| 21:51:12 | akira_ | and the anger is quite real ... |
| 21:51:18 | dinah | how bout a "sod off" flag. get it and you can kick anyone who has a GM... |
| 21:51:18 | akira_ | nice channel here .. really |
| 21:51:29 | akira_ | in opposite to some other |
| 21:51:37 | BZFlag | captain_proton: thief also sounds fun. |
| 21:51:46 | captain_proton | lazarus? |
| 21:51:57 | BZFlag | have to play laz to decide. |
| 21:52:30 | akira_ | BZFlag: but keep always in mind, a good game is not a good game coz of the tons of flags or features but in its gameplay and easyness |
| 21:52:38 | captain_proton | yo MrApathyCream |
| 21:52:41 | BZFlag | akira_: agreed! |
| 21:52:47 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 21:52:56 | captain_proton | just discussing which flags would be good |
| 21:52:56 | Widget | Hi, Mac. |
| 21:53:17 | captain_proton | got confirmation on burrow and theif |
| 21:53:29 | dinah | damn all flags to heck! |
| 21:53:50 | jpablo | akira_: so you can't see the movie yet ? |
| 21:54:02 | akira_ | jpablo: i will try ffdshow |
| 21:54:12 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 21:54:40 | akira_ | BZFlag: do you use inheritance ? |
| 21:54:57 | MrApathyCream | i'd think a 'infrared' flag would be good. & easy. Allows you to see cloak and stealth tanks like normal |
| 21:55:23 | patlabor221 | I sould let you see them but make them color blind |
| 21:55:29 | patlabor221 | IR I mean |
| 21:56:20 | captain_proton | why not go further and make it look like a real infrared camera? couldn't be too hard |
| 21:57:01 | MrApathyCream | well, don't want it to be a handicap :) ie: is mg a good or bad flag... :| |
| 21:57:14 | akira_ | captain_proton: could be a texture with "wrong" alpha blending -... |
| 21:57:43 | MrApathyCream | could steal phantom zone effect |
| 21:57:52 | MrApathyCream | (for seeing tanks) |
| 21:57:57 | akira_ | jpablo: i can see the movie now |
| 21:57:59 | akira_ | cu all |
| 21:58:01 | akira_ | by by |
| 21:58:02 | MrApathyCream | of course stealth is only radar drawing |
| 22:01:23 | MrApathyCream | still have to fix kotn |
| 22:01:27 | MrApathyCream | er koth |
| 22:05:45 | captain_proton | ho hum |
| 22:14:16 | captain_proton | active channel |
| 22:14:24 | taD_gone | heh |
| 22:19:31 | captain_proton | awaits the lindows verdict |
| 22:20:00 | patlabor221 | do they do this often with other softwares? |
| 22:20:13 | captain_proton | no clue |
| 22:20:35 | captain_proton | if they did i'm surprised they're still in business |
| 22:32:28 | captain_proton | time to rewrite sound |
| 22:45:03 | Widget | Yesyes. |
| 22:45:07 | Widget | Those evil people. |
| 22:45:16 | tad_busy | nono. |
| 22:46:18 | tad_busy | yesyes. |
| 22:46:24 | | tad_busy: what? |
| 22:46:24 | tad_busy | ibot yes |
| 22:46:27 | | tad_busy: what? |
| 22:46:27 | tad_busy | ibot no |
| 22:46:31 | | i guess bzfrank is sure as soon as the musun has gone it will be great for at least 48 hours ;) |
| 22:46:31 | tad_busy | ibot bzfrank |
| 22:46:43 | | i guess widget is A very intellifent and discerning person that eats robots |
| 22:46:43 | tad_busy | ibot widget |
| 22:46:53 | dinah | tad_busy: dont seem to be busy afterall... |
| 22:47:01 | tad_busy | um |
| 22:47:09 | tad_busy | is busy messing with ibot |
| 22:47:11 | Widget | He is busy with ibot. |
| 22:47:17 | tad_busy | hehe |
| 22:47:26 | Widget | Great minds think alike. |
| 22:47:27 | tad_busy | great minds think alike |
| 22:47:30 | tad_busy | ACK!!! |
| 22:47:32 | tad_busy | NO!!! |
| 22:47:33 | Widget | !!!!! |
| 22:47:35 | Widget | And fools never differ. |
| 22:47:36 | dinah | so you and ibot are geting busy hmmm? this is legal in the US?! |
| 22:47:38 | tad_busy | WIERD!!! |
| 22:47:49 | tad_busy | Widget hehe |
| 22:47:51 | Widget | tad_busy's an American!?!?!? |
| 22:47:55 | tad_busy | yup |
| 22:47:56 | BZFlag | is back from taking to lindoes. |
| 22:48:01 | Widget | Wow. |
| 22:48:02 | BZFlag | er lindows. |
| 22:48:02 | captain_proton | ooooooh |
| 22:48:02 | tad_busy | ok |
| 22:48:03 | Widget | What happened? |
| 22:48:05 | Widget | Tell us! |
| 22:48:07 | Widget | Tell us! |
| 22:48:08 | tad_busy | yea |
| 22:48:14 | | well, lindows is a Linux distribution that says they will be fully compatable with windows or a thief, a crook, and a microsoft in sheeps clothing |
| 22:48:14 | tad_busy | ibot lindows? |
| 22:48:19 | Widget | Was it a showdown of epic proportions!?!?! |
| 22:48:26 | BZFlag | they do ship the full source to "insiders" so in that respect they are compliant. |
| 22:48:34 | tad_busy | hmm |
| 22:48:45 | Widget | Can the insiders give the source away? |
| 22:48:50 | Widget | To whoever they like? |
| 22:48:56 | dinah | who exactly constitutes an insider? |
| 22:49:01 | BZFlag | I explained that the game is a network game and that for league play etc, it would help customers to know that it is bzflag. |
| 22:49:09 | tad_busy | ah |
| 22:49:10 | Widget | You have to pay $90 USD per year. My school has a copy of Lindows. |
| 22:49:15 | BZFlag | they have not changed the game any, just that someone did not like the name. |
| 22:49:15 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what modifications did they make? purely branding? |
| 22:49:29 | BZFlag | Widget: yes. insiders can give the source away. |
| 22:49:46 | BZFlag | captain_proton: just packaging and links to the game. |
| 22:49:53 | tad_busy | hmm |
| 22:49:57 | captain_proton | ah |
| 22:50:14 | captain_proton | they changed the name and the best thing they could come up with was "3d tank" ?? |
| 22:50:19 | tad_busy | heh |
| 22:50:23 | BZFlag | so they will likely revert the name to bzflag or perhaps something like "3D Tank (BZFlag)" |
| 22:50:49 | BZFlag | captain_proton: oh crap. I should have suggested armored smasing fist 2002. ;-) |
| 22:50:58 | captain_proton | quick! call them back! |
| 22:51:07 | tad_busy | hurry! |
| 22:51:32 | dinah | go ahead change their site for them. they wont mind ;) |
| 22:51:45 | tad_busy | lol |
| 22:52:05 | dinah | with a name like lindows they wont complain... |
| 22:52:13 | tad_busy | heh |
| 22:56:25 | MrApathyCream | erg, what the... |
| 22:56:25 | MrApathyCream | inking... |
| 22:56:25 | MrApathyCream | game.lib(Flag.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: static class std::map<enum FlagId,class FlagDesc,struct std::less<enum FlagId>,class std::allocator<class FlagDesc> > Flag::flagDetails" (?flagDetails@Flag@@2V?$map@W4FlagId@@VF |
| 22:56:26 | MrApathyCream | lagDesc@@U?$less@W4FlagId@@@std@@V?$allocator@VFlagDesc@@@4@@std@@A) |
| 22:56:26 | MrApathyCream | ..\bin/bzflag.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals |
| 22:57:06 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 22:57:16 | captain_proton | try doing a full build? |
| 22:57:48 | MrApathyCream | new code, just don't understand the error |
| 22:58:28 | tad_busy | um |
| 22:58:31 | captain_proton | it can't resolve Flag::flagDetails |
| 22:58:37 | tad_busy | hmm |
| 22:58:47 | tad_busy | I had problems with bzfs like that.... |
| 22:59:26 | MrApathyCream | yes, but it's there, a static |
| 22:59:38 | MrApathyCream | defined in game.lib, ref'd in bzflag |
| 22:59:59 | captain_proton | eek |
| 23:00:00 | MrApathyCream | <trying to make it so flags can be added without necessarily breaking clients> |
| 23:00:07 | captain_proton | ? |
| 23:00:30 | MrApathyCream | when they go to pickup, get "Your tank is too old" type message |
| 23:00:36 | captain_proton | eww |
| 23:00:43 | tad_busy | ah |
| 23:00:44 | captain_proton | we were going to make it negociate that at the beginning |
| 23:00:44 | tad_busy | cool |
| 23:01:10 | captain_proton | server tells client which flags it uses, client disconnects if it doesn't have one of them |
| 23:01:53 | MrApathyCream | yeah, ok |
| 23:02:24 | MrApathyCream | but still, if server has 1-30 good and 31-40 bad, and says it's using 1-20 |
| 23:02:38 | MrApathyCream | maybe client knows about 1-20, and thinks then it's ok, but in fact it's not |
| 23:02:53 | MrApathyCream | cause good and bad are a continuous range |
| 23:03:00 | MrApathyCream | breaking the good and bad ranges |
| 23:03:04 | captain_proton | the idea was negociation was done via flag abbrev, not flag ID |
| 23:03:27 | MrApathyCream | still, if client has 30 goods, and server has 31 goods |
| 23:03:41 | captain_proton | then the client will disconnect and say you need to upgrade |
| 23:03:49 | tad_busy | cool |
| 23:03:50 | MrApathyCream | client may happily comply with all abbvs used |
| 23:03:53 | tad_busy | this is for 1.8? |
| 23:03:56 | MrApathyCream | but still crash |
| 23:04:09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: it makes a central 'respository' of flags necessary |
| 23:04:10 | MrApathyCream | cause the ids are diff for baddies |
| 23:04:13 | captain_proton | but thats a good thing anyway |
| 23:04:26 | captain_proton | ah yuck |
| 23:04:32 | captain_proton | wait - lemme check something |
| 23:04:37 | MrApathyCream | server and client must agree on a) all of the flags b) which ones are used |
| 23:04:43 | MrApathyCream | if done that way |
| 23:05:24 | captain_proton | ok, found it |
| 23:05:26 | MrApathyCream | which isn't horrible i suppose |
| 23:05:34 | captain_proton | the flag id's would be told to the client via the server |
| 23:05:59 | MrApathyCream | server would say goods are in the range 1-35, bads in the range 36-50::: Do You agree? |
| 23:06:02 | MrApathyCream | if no kick |
| 23:06:05 | captain_proton | well |
| 23:06:17 | captain_proton | each abbrev would be accompanied by the flag id for it |
| 23:06:31 | MrApathyCream | yes that would work |
| 23:06:44 | MrApathyCream | alright, i stop doin' what i was doin. |
| 23:06:50 | MrApathyCream | and go play 1.7 :) |
| 23:06:55 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:07:44 | MrApathyCream | server sends this info before getworld, without being prompted? |
| 23:07:55 | captain_proton | yep |
| 23:08:06 | MrApathyCream | it's not part of the world xml or anything right? |
| 23:08:10 | captain_proton | no |
| 23:08:17 | MrApathyCream | hmm, maybe i'll do that |
| 23:08:24 | MrApathyCream | is that ok, boss? |
| 23:08:36 | captain_proton | please :) |
| 23:08:40 | MrApathyCream | ok. |
| 23:08:52 | tad_busy | yells |
| 23:11:16 | MrApathyCream | hmm, problem tho |
| 23:11:25 | MrApathyCream | what if newer clients try to connect to older servers |
| 23:11:36 | MrApathyCream | you would think that would work, but you'd have to kick them too |
| 23:11:57 | MrApathyCream | unless you stuck some mappping code in there |
| 23:12:07 | captain_proton | why would you have to kick them? |
| 23:12:31 | captain_proton | the client creates its local table of flag id's, and since the server doesn't use the new flags, the client won't run across any |
| 23:12:42 | MrApathyCream | client things id 34 is atombomb flag (good), server thinks it's momentum |
| 23:12:58 | captain_proton | no - server tells client id for each flag, 'member? |
| 23:13:05 | captain_proton | adds a level of indirection within the client |
| 23:13:08 | MrApathyCream | yeah, but how does client handle that |
| 23:13:28 | MrApathyCream | the flag table is dynamic of something? |
| 23:13:33 | captain_proton | create a lookup table that converts between game id and local id |
| 23:13:37 | MrApathyCream | right, mapping... eww |
| 23:13:45 | captain_proton | its cleaner than the other solutions |
| 23:13:59 | MrApathyCream | i'll do the first part... :) |
| 23:14:14 | MrApathyCream | server ops should always upgrade anyway :) |
| 23:14:18 | patlabor221 | time to go spend some $$$$ :) |
| 23:14:52 | Widget | webmaster@goatse.cx |
| 23:21:33 | Guardian-sleep | Hello. |
| 23:25:25 | captain_proton | std::multimap rocks my world |
| 23:27:20 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 23:28:14 | BZFlag | gets back from another meeting. |
| 23:28:57 | MrApathyCream | cfo in a meeting, how'da thought it. |
| 23:29:09 | MrApathyCream | s/how/who/ |
| 23:30:35 | BZFlag | I was thinking negotiation would be the client says I have "gm,oo,..." and the server says this game may use "oo=1,jp=2..." |
| 23:30:57 | BZFlag | s/cfo/cto/ |
| 23:31:08 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 23:31:41 | BZFlag | the server presents the list is will use, not the ones it knows. so a new server with flag foo can have "-f foo" and still work with old clients. |
| 23:32:01 | MrApathyCream | client needs to map ids->flags tho |
| 23:32:11 | MrApathyCream | and not use it's own |
| 23:32:18 | BZFlag | server sends flag=id on join. |
| 23:32:51 | MrApathyCream | why does the client enumerate first |
| 23:33:36 | captain_proton | seems you could just have the server send flag=id, and if the client sees a flag it doesn't know about, it quits |
| 23:33:36 | MrApathyCream | does the server really care? |
| 23:33:43 | BZFlag | so the server admin can see how many players have foo before deciding to allow it. |
| 23:34:07 | MrApathyCream | hmm, ok. |
| 23:34:15 | BZFlag | client will send version, os, etc. as well. |
| 23:34:22 | MrApathyCream | client doesn't send ids tho, eh? |
| 23:34:54 | BZFlag | no. ids are per game. perhaps I should call them nums? you get the idea though. |
| 23:35:05 | MrApathyCream | ok, will take a stab at it |
| 23:35:25 | MrApathyCream | right before getworld, ok? |
| 23:35:51 | BZFlag | It might be easier to have a flag type, ie: team, good, bad, antidote. and skip the nums completely. |
| 23:36:07 | jacques_gone | hi lo |
| 23:36:19 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: sure, right be fore getworld. |
| 23:36:24 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 23:36:39 | jacques | i want you all to know I blame you for releasing e6 and getting me re-addicted |
| 23:54:40 | dinah | condon! :-) |