| 00:00:35 | patlabor221 | wtf is a bz2 file? |
| 00:00:42 | Widget | A bunzipped file. |
| 00:00:43 | Doug_HAHAHA | heh |
| 00:00:50 | patlabor221 | that sounds nasty |
| 00:00:57 | captain_proton | bzip2 is another compression scheme |
| 00:01:00 | Doug_HAHAHA | HAHAHAAH |
| 00:01:02 | captain_proton | slightly better than gzip |
| 00:01:10 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | HAHAHAHAAH |
| 00:01:27 | dinah | gives up on mplayer because she cant get the bloody gui to work |
| 00:01:28 | Doug_HAHAHA | hahahaha |
| 00:01:38 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | hahahahaha' |
| 00:01:48 | patlabor221 | wow you 2 are freaks |
| 00:02:12 | Doug_HAHAHA | GAHAHAHAHHAHA' |
| 00:02:17 | dinah | wonders who patlabor221 is talking to |
| 00:02:23 | Doug_HAHAHA | great minds think alike |
| 00:02:26 | patlabor221 | proalby 2 people on your block list |
| 00:02:27 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | patlabor221: You live in Cupertino, CA? |
| 00:02:28 | Doug_HAHAHA | hehe |
| 00:02:30 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:02:33 | Doug_HAHAHA | HA! |
| 00:02:36 | captain_proton | dinah: i told you that mplayer doesn't really have a GUI |
| 00:02:53 | dinah | but it does there pretty, |
| 00:02:59 | captain_proton | just 'mplayer file.avi' and use arrow keys to search |
| 00:02:59 | Doug_HAHAHAHAHA | heh |
| 00:03:38 | dinah | begins to rpm -e mplayer crap |
| 00:03:38 | captain_proton | i don't know if anybody has actually gotten the GUI to work |
| 00:03:45 | jpablo | hopes xine will adop that gui. |
| 00:03:57 | patlabor221 | how did you get cupertino? |
| 00:04:17 | jpablo | captain_proton: i got the gui in mplayer working, but i didn't liked it. |
| 00:04:40 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | patlabor221: I used XPenguin. |
| 00:04:50 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | patlabor221: I guess telocity is in Cupertino. |
| 00:05:29 | tad | teehee |
| 00:05:36 | captain_proton | please don't clone |
| 00:05:40 | tad | I am not |
| 00:05:50 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | Apko is dukan mem hindustan ke behtarin kapre milemge. |
| 00:05:54 | tad | this is on another computer in another state |
| 00:05:59 | patlabor221 | well the name of my town spelled backwards is craproom |
| 00:06:06 | dinah | goes back to the avifile site |
| 00:06:24 | tad | Laugh out loud |
| 00:06:29 | dinah | sighs |
| 00:06:36 | patlabor221 | well it is |
| 00:07:19 | captain_proton | wtfs |
| 00:11:02 | dinah | wonders if someday bzflag will have an ignore feature |
| 00:11:21 | captain_proton | apathy has a 'silence |
| 00:11:22 | captain_proton | ' patch |
| 00:11:40 | dinah | thats all well and good for windows users |
| 00:12:35 | dinah | its taking an insanly long time to build mplayer... |
| 00:13:19 | captain_proton | woohoo @ dinner |
| 00:13:24 | captain_proton | my father described it as |
| 00:13:31 | captain_proton | "some obscenely expensive steaks" |
| 00:13:41 | dinah | dinner means lunch |
| 00:13:47 | captain_proton | fine, supper |
| 00:14:06 | dinah | not to be rude, but how old are you? |
| 00:14:11 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | dinah: Apathy's SILENCE patch is on sourceforge. |
| 00:14:11 | captain_proton | 18 |
| 00:14:21 | captain_proton | we americans call lunch lunch |
| 00:14:25 | dinah | dear me |
| 00:14:47 | Doug_HAHAHAHA | How..... provincial these Americans are, don't you think, dinah? |
| 00:15:28 | Widget | Ah, how I long to visit rustic and quaint America...... with its cute little villages. |
| 00:15:38 | Widget | And people who call 'lunch', 'lunch'. |
| 00:15:56 | dinah | hmmm typing 'mplayer' get me the same lack of gui 'avifile' did... |
| 00:16:14 | patlabor221 | my little town ain't quit |
| 00:16:17 | patlabor221 | it's dinky |
| 00:16:27 | jpablo | dinah: you don't need gui. |
| 00:16:29 | patlabor221 | it's like 2 miles long |
| 00:16:38 | jpablo | dinah: but try mplayer -gui |
| 00:16:39 | dinah | jpablo: belive me i do |
| 00:17:06 | jpablo | no you don't :-P |
| 00:17:30 | jpablo | why do you need a gui ? |
| 00:17:42 | dinah | gives up on mplayer if she cant have a gui |
| 00:17:59 | Widget | "New Zealanders are basically our naive country cousins, who talk funny and for some bizzare reason, think that they invented pavlova. They are to be pitied and laughed at. They have no hope of gaining the upper hand in the endless sporting rivalry between our two nations." -- http://www.zompist.com/aussie.html |
| 00:18:01 | Widget | My God! |
| 00:18:03 | jpablo | you can have a gui. |
| 00:18:17 | jpablo | just compile it with gtk support. |
| 00:18:17 | jpablo | and download a skin |
| 00:18:19 | dinah | how? |
| 00:18:30 | jpablo | but i still don't see the point of a gui :-P |
| 00:18:33 | Widget | Let me tell you that just a few days ago, NZ beat the West Indies in a test match!!! |
| 00:18:58 | jpablo | dinah: install gtk-devel |
| 00:19:22 | dinah | ummm... i just want to be able to watch avi's |
| 00:19:27 | jpablo | dinah: then recompile mplayer with --enable-gui or --enable-gtk-gui or something like that. |
| 00:19:27 | jpablo | dinah: look in --help |
| 00:19:36 | dinah | this is getting to be a lot of work |
| 00:19:40 | captain_proton | so why need a gui? ;) |
| 00:19:58 | jpablo | can't player bzflag. |
| 00:19:58 | jpablo | is on a modem now. |
| 00:20:12 | jpablo | dinah: then why do you want a gui ? |
| 00:20:28 | dinah | casts a longing glance at her imac |
| 00:21:00 | Widget | dinah: Friend!!! |
| 00:21:14 | Widget | jpablo: I have a supporter!!! |
| 00:21:19 | patlabor221 | everyone wants a gui |
| 00:21:34 | dinah | jpablo: im working on avifile at the moment... |
| 00:21:41 | jpablo | bah |
| 00:21:49 | jpablo | gui sucks. |
| 00:21:52 | dinah | i already gave up on mplayer... |
| 00:21:56 | jpablo | mplayer works just fine. |
| 00:22:03 | captain_proton | mplayer file.avi |
| 00:22:06 | captain_proton | what more does one need? |
| 00:22:11 | jpablo | i have seen _lots_ of anime with it. |
| 00:22:16 | dinah | a bloody gui |
| 00:22:27 | jpablo | and i didn't needed a gui for that. |
| 00:22:59 | dinah | resolves to bring the mac power cube out tomorrow |
| 00:22:59 | captain_proton | dinah: to do what? use up screen space? |
| 00:23:01 | jpablo | to do what ? |
| 00:24:44 | captain_proton | seems to me that to just watch avis, mplayer is perfect |
| 00:25:04 | dinah | i need a bloody gui! |
| 00:25:22 | dinah | -dvd <titleno> iv no idea what that meanS! |
| 00:25:37 | captain_proton | -dvd (track number) |
| 00:25:46 | captain_proton | if you need a gui, why not use xine? |
| 00:25:53 | dinah | xine rotts |
| 00:26:17 | dinah | like watching a bloody lide show |
| 00:26:23 | captain_proton | blah |
| 00:26:38 | dinah | *slide |
| 00:26:38 | captain_proton | maybe if your system is set up like swiss cheese |
| 00:26:59 | captain_proton | goes back to trying to figure out how "pop" is turning into "(-6@(-6@ |
| 00:31:37 | jpablo | goes back to see his debian upgrade over a modem :'-( |
| 00:32:00 | dinah | gives up on avi and dvix files averywhere |
| 00:33:08 | jpablo | bah. |
| 00:33:29 | captain_proton | anybody know of any 'IPC spies' ? |
| 00:34:20 | patlabor221 | I don't even know what ipc is |
| 00:34:27 | captain_proton | interprocess communication |
| 00:35:10 | jpablo | what kind of ipc ? |
| 00:35:30 | jpablo | i have used a copule of sniffer to decode networks protocols. |
| 00:35:39 | captain_proton | i think its just a simple pipe |
| 00:35:48 | dinah | get aviplay to work |
| 00:36:00 | dinah | luvs everything |
| 00:36:18 | patlabor221 | with a gui? |
| 00:36:28 | dinah | with a gui |
| 00:36:31 | jpablo | oh, dunno. |
| 00:37:00 | captain_proton | WTF |
| 00:37:05 | dinah | begins to scour the net for iria avi files |
| 00:37:10 | patlabor221 | prepares to see how far a PIII 600 can fly off the second story |
| 00:37:11 | jpablo | you can always use windows media player if you want a pretty gui. |
| 00:37:26 | patlabor221 | iria = good |
| 00:37:27 | dinah | windows rotts ass |
| 00:37:48 | dinah | patlabor221: have any avi's of her? |
| 00:37:50 | jpablo | iria ? |
| 00:38:02 | patlabor221 | and you say you watch anime |
| 00:38:11 | patlabor221 | avi's no I have the tapes |
| 00:38:19 | dinah | sighs |
| 00:38:23 | patlabor221 | but I could rip them |
| 00:38:35 | dinah | would you? |
| 00:38:48 | patlabor221 | if I can get the machine to work yeah |
| 00:39:12 | jpablo | please don't ! |
| 00:39:36 | dinah | if you do, i luv you. iris is the best! |
| 00:39:43 | patlabor221 | that she is |
| 00:40:03 | patlabor221 | you ever see the live action one? |
| 00:40:45 | dinah | nope |
| 00:40:55 | patlabor221 | it was good |
| 00:41:03 | patlabor221 | but very very gross |
| 00:41:17 | patlabor221 | came out long before the aime |
| 00:41:24 | dinah | whats the keyboard shortcut for a screenshot? |
| 00:43:14 | captain_proton | AHA! |
| 00:43:17 | captain_proton | silly mplatform |
| 00:43:26 | captain_proton | read() is non-blocking |
| 00:43:40 | jpablo | where ? |
| 00:43:52 | captain_proton | in the readSoundCommand function |
| 00:44:06 | captain_proton | 'returns false immediately if there is no data' |
| 00:47:24 | dinah | patlabor221: check the iria wallpaper ;) |
| 00:48:30 | patlabor221 | she was mine too before it took a poop :) |
| 00:48:51 | patlabor221 | that works as a wallpaper very well |
| 00:49:43 | dinah | i have tons of iria wallpaper but thats my fav |
| 00:50:43 | dinah | bugger i just noticed my clocks wrong, how do i set it? |
| 00:51:43 | dinah | well then how to i set it too two am hmmm? |
| 00:52:26 | dinah | discovers the gnome handbook ;) |
| 00:54:44 | captain_proton | HOLY SHIT IT WORKS |
| 00:56:27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:57:55 | patlabor221 | is that a good hmm or a bad hmm? |
| 00:58:00 | captain_proton | bad |
| 00:58:10 | captain_proton | something is using up a LOT of processor time |
| 00:58:14 | captain_proton | my framerate is about half |
| 00:58:27 | patlabor221 | got a profiler? |
| 00:58:34 | captain_proton | not really |
| 00:59:29 | captain_proton | do all platforms have a usleep() ? |
| 00:59:36 | patlabor221 | a what? |
| 01:00:28 | patlabor221 | checking msnd |
| 01:01:07 | patlabor221 | windows has a "sleep" command |
| 01:01:19 | captain_proton | usleep = sleep microseconds |
| 01:01:23 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:01:39 | patlabor221 | public static native void sleep( long millis ) throws InterruptedException |
| 01:01:45 | captain_proton | eek |
| 01:01:47 | captain_proton | sleep should be seconds |
| 01:02:46 | captain_proton | i think my problem is in these busy waits that i added |
| 01:02:50 | captain_proton | while (!(MPLATFORM->readSoundCommand(&x, sizeof(x)))); |
| 01:02:51 | captain_proton | etc |
| 01:02:58 | dinah | loves gtk-gnutella so many avi's :) |
| 01:05:01 | patlabor221 | wonders if the gods of technology hate him today |
| 01:05:12 | dinah | why? |
| 01:05:27 | patlabor221 | well there is the second PC, it's being pissy |
| 01:05:35 | patlabor221 | and the VCR has a tape stuck in it |
| 01:05:56 | patlabor221 | and somone seems to have ganked my video card with vidio in |
| 01:06:07 | patlabor221 | my litlle radion vivo |
| 01:06:26 | dinah | what the broke into your house? |
| 01:06:42 | patlabor221 | no, |
| 01:06:50 | patlabor221 | I have a LOT of hardware |
| 01:07:07 | patlabor221 | and it goes to and from a bunch of people |
| 01:07:16 | patlabor221 | I think someone jsut took the wrong card |
| 01:07:31 | patlabor221 | they were suposed to take the vooddoo5 |
| 01:08:42 | patlabor221 | ok one more lunux install. If this don't work I've theatend the machine with fisticufs |
| 01:10:26 | dinah | james ambrose knew the game of fiticufs |
| 01:12:41 | patlabor221 | well at least I still have all 3 iria tapes |
| 01:12:59 | dinah | and i have none :( |
| 01:13:44 | patlabor221 | I'm sure these tapes will find there way into an avi file at some point this weekend |
| 01:13:58 | doug_eatgin | hmm |
| 01:28:19 | dinah | relents and clears her ignore list |
| 01:28:34 | patlabor221 | why relent? |
| 01:29:00 | dinah | its been long enough i think theyve learned |
| 01:29:09 | patlabor221 | they never learn |
| 01:30:20 | Doug_mac_guy | monkey chow |
| 01:30:29 | patlabor221 | see |
| 01:37:03 | dinah | misses audiogalaxy |
| 01:37:32 | patlabor221 | never could get that thing to work |
| 01:37:50 | dinah | really it worked wonderfull for me |
| 01:38:03 | patlabor221 | had a lot of stuff tho |
| 01:39:06 | dinah | there documentation was wrong though, the config file had to be usrname pswrd, no usr email |
| 01:41:47 | captain_proton | whoa my eyes are twitching |
| 01:42:08 | patlabor221 | steaks too big? |
| 01:42:25 | captain_proton | it was sooooo gooooood |
| 01:42:44 | dinah | mmmmmm decaying life yummm |
| 01:43:23 | captain_proton | dinah: hell yeah |
| 01:44:49 | captain_proton | whats the point of life if you don't get to eat meat? |
| 01:44:58 | dinah | exactly |
| 01:45:58 | dinah | is excited only 14min left for her download of 'the fast and the furious' |
| 01:47:50 | patlabor221 | thinks its time to turn the AC back on, he has forgoten he lives in the middle of a semi-arid desert |
| 01:48:11 | dinah | ewww desert |
| 01:48:37 | patlabor221 | semi-arid |
| 01:48:46 | patlabor221 | we stole all the water from cap |
| 01:49:03 | patlabor221 | so we get parks and trees |
| 01:49:03 | dinah | ewwww arid. give me nice english weather |
| 01:49:13 | patlabor221 | yeah me too |
| 01:49:20 | patlabor221 | or the weather in washington |
| 01:49:31 | dinah | fog and rain and wind and grey sky |
| 01:49:35 | captain_proton | where do you live patlabor221? |
| 01:49:46 | patlabor221 | moorpark CA |
| 01:49:52 | patlabor221 | just outside of LA |
| 01:49:53 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:49:57 | captain_proton | our humidity is about 2% |
| 01:50:12 | dinah | mines about 1000% ;) |
| 01:50:17 | patlabor221 | I'm near the ocean so it's about 35 now |
| 01:50:37 | me | Is 'sprechen' conjugated for 'ihr' spricht or sprecht? |
| 01:51:10 | Widget | Yah. |
| 01:51:14 | Widget | Which is it? |
| 01:51:27 | dinah | looks around for germans |
| 01:51:32 | dinah | nope no germans |
| 01:51:39 | patlabor221 | your closer to them then I am |
| 01:52:35 | dinah | is there a diff twix mpeg and avi or what? |
| 01:52:53 | captain_proton | divx will usually be higher quality/size |
| 01:52:56 | patlabor221 | yes avi can use a number of forent compressors for video or audip |
| 01:53:03 | Widget | But there are always Germans on #bzflag!!! |
| 01:53:12 | dinah | um which i divx? |
| 01:53:17 | patlabor221 | avi |
| 01:53:30 | patlabor221 | you use divx as a codec inside an avi |
| 01:53:34 | patlabor221 | for video |
| 01:53:45 | patlabor221 | then mp3 or ogg for audio |
| 01:53:55 | dinah | feings understanding |
| 01:54:11 | patlabor221 | mpegs are just one type of compression. |
| 01:54:31 | patlabor221 | avi is just a wraper for any type of compresion |
| 01:54:55 | patlabor221 | you can realy stick any type of audio, video, or other stream into an avi |
| 01:55:05 | patlabor221 | it's wierd |
| 01:55:10 | captain_proton | tries to think of a way to reduce the # of busy waits |
| 01:55:28 | patlabor221 | basicly Divix avi's will be smaller and look better then mpegs |
| 01:55:57 | dinah | nods knowingly |
| 01:56:48 | Widget | nods unknowingly. |
| 01:56:57 | ivan | MadCity died |
| 01:57:04 | Widget | Anne Landers died. |
| 01:57:07 | ivan | now we have moon.turkey.org or something |
| 01:57:31 | patlabor221 | people are shoting other people in my airport :( |
| 01:57:46 | Widget | Well, so long as they're not shooting. |
| 01:58:00 | patlabor221 | well that too |
| 01:58:28 | dinah | i hear your pledge is against your constitution! ROFLMAO |
| 01:58:38 | patlabor221 | I know |
| 01:58:40 | patlabor221 | that's funny |
| 01:58:42 | ivan | i need some l33tSo ch34t p4tch3s |
| 01:58:43 | Widget | Yes, that was funny. |
| 01:58:50 | Widget | But it is only in some states, I think. |
| 01:59:04 | Widget | I don't know why everyone got so worked up about it though. |
| 01:59:07 | patlabor221 | probalby the ones in the middle of the country |
| 01:59:08 | captain_proton | dinah: yes it is, but our esteemed elected officials seem to think that a secular government is a bad thing |
| 01:59:10 | dinah | and the sad thing is people want to keep the god stuff right? there mad at the law |
| 01:59:18 | ivan | welcome to #politics |
| 01:59:20 | Widget | patlabor221: California is one of them. |
| 01:59:32 | patlabor221 | well we are freaks |
| 01:59:50 | patlabor221 | my state is full of them |
| 01:59:59 | dinah | l33tSo ch34t p4tch3 sounds like srcipt kiddie spkeak your now on my ignore list |
| 02:00:02 | Widget | It's as funny as the Clinton thing. |
| 02:00:32 | patlabor221 | what I thought was funny was that everyone complained about him, then voted for him |
| 02:00:45 | patlabor221 | dumb bastards |
| 02:00:54 | Widget | Look at Churchill. |
| 02:00:55 | captain_proton | dinah: if you don't watch out, soon your ignore list will use up all your RAM |
| 02:01:04 | dinah | whos dumb, the voters or the electoral college? |
| 02:01:05 | Widget | His personal life was far from flawless. |
| 02:01:05 | patlabor221 | ram is cheap |
| 02:01:11 | patlabor221 | both |
| 02:01:11 | Widget | Oh, hahahahahahahahaha. |
| 02:01:21 | Widget | The recent elections were funny too. |
| 02:01:25 | patlabor221 | very |
| 02:01:26 | Widget | More people voted for Gore! |
| 02:01:29 | Widget | But Bush won! |
| 02:01:52 | dinah | ignores the american people ;) |
| 02:01:59 | patlabor221 | and the people in florida coudn't figure out how to puch a hole in a paper |
| 02:02:07 | Widget | dinah: Then captain_proton won't be able to help you with your BZFlag problems. |
| 02:02:14 | patlabor221 | I could allways move to canida |
| 02:02:17 | patlabor221 | they hve snow |
| 02:02:26 | patlabor221 | I like snow |
| 02:02:27 | dinah | and beer |
| 02:02:43 | dinah | mmmm canadian beer |
| 02:03:03 | dinah | asks percy to grab her a molsen XXX |
| 02:03:05 | Widget | patlabor221: Even here they have computers in voting centres. Same in Germany. |
| 02:03:15 | patlabor221 | I could go work for Bioware and say "ehh" after every sentance |
| 02:03:18 | Widget | patlabor221: Ask Chestal his opinion on the American election. |
| 02:03:35 | patlabor221 | it was a crock |
| 02:03:42 | Widget | patlabor221: You're disqualified from going to Canada, since you did not celebrate Canada Day with me this Monday. |
| 02:03:49 | dinah | its after 3am in europe |
| 02:03:59 | patlabor221 | we had our own party here |
| 02:04:02 | Widget | dinah: Yes? So? |
| 02:04:03 | patlabor221 | it was great |
| 02:04:08 | patlabor221 | we played a canadian game |
| 02:04:11 | dinah | so chestal is asleep |
| 02:04:21 | Widget | dinah: I never told patlabor221 to ask Chestal _now_ did I? |
| 02:04:36 | dinah | <Widget> patlabor221: Ask Chestal his opinion on the American election. |
| 02:04:43 | captain_proton | erk |
| 02:04:44 | Widget | dinah: Precisely. |
| 02:04:48 | patlabor221 | she's very estute |
| 02:04:49 | captain_proton | my eyes just twitched again |
| 02:04:51 | Widget | dinah: I never told patlabor221 to ask Chestal _now_. |
| 02:05:09 | dinah | english is by default a present tense |
| 02:05:34 | Widget | Not necessarily. Got a copy of Fowler's "The King's English" on you? |
| 02:05:49 | dinah | no, nor do i need one |
| 02:06:06 | Widget | dinah: I'm sure you studied him in Victorias and Thatchery. |
| 02:06:11 | patlabor221 | she is "english" and all |
| 02:06:28 | Widget | The English are the only ones who do not know how to speak their own language. |
| 02:06:31 | dinah | resolves to add widget to ignore |
| 02:06:38 | Widget | dinah has been added to my ignore. |
| 02:06:50 | Widget | Have you ever read "Pygmalion", by George Bernard Shaw? |
| 02:07:01 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 02:07:12 | Widget | Well, you should. Or see "My Fair Lady". |
| 02:07:17 | dinah | the english are the only ones who speak english, what you americans and such speak isnt english |
| 02:07:27 | Widget | I'm not American. |
| 02:07:31 | patlabor221 | I saw that |
| 02:07:34 | patlabor221 | I like that movie |
| 02:07:38 | Widget | patlabor221: Yah, you see? |
| 02:07:49 | dinah | what movie? |
| 02:07:53 | patlabor221 | we speak "bad english" (tm) |
| 02:07:54 | Widget | patlabor221: German children learn to speak German, but English children do not learn to speak English. |
| 02:07:58 | patlabor221 | my fair lady |
| 02:08:22 | Widget | The present-day English are a mockery to the great language of Shakespeare and Milton! |
| 02:08:41 | dinah | imagens a day when she is channel op and can kick idiots |
| 02:08:48 | Widget | And don't even get me started on Americans. Or Canadians, for that matter. |
| 02:09:09 | Widget | That Daniel Webster... "color", "story", "center"... |
| 02:09:19 | dinah | shakespear made up words, milton spkoe olde english and widget is ignorant |
| 02:09:34 | Widget | And Shaw, too. |
| 02:09:39 | Widget | A disgrace to the language of Shaw. |
| 02:09:42 | patlabor221 | has resorted to pugulistic resolutions to his hardware problems and must now go soak his cut up hands |
| 02:09:50 | dinah | i.e. lantskite = landscape |
| 02:09:56 | Widget | dinah has been taken off ignore. |
| 02:10:04 | Widget | dinah: Milton spoke Middle English. |
| 02:10:09 | dinah | you never put me on it stupid |
| 02:10:20 | Widget | dinah: Old English was English spoken before 1066 (the Norman Conquest) |
| 02:10:25 | captain_proton | a disgrace to the language of joyce |
| 02:10:28 | Widget | dinah: It's also known as "Anglo-Saxon". |
| 02:10:34 | Widget | Joyce was Irish!!!! |
| 02:10:43 | captain_proton | Widget: and he spoke english |
| 02:10:48 | dinah | no he did not, midle engis nor reseble taht |
| 02:10:54 | Widget | captain_proton: So? Don't get me started on Irish English!!! |
| 02:11:07 | Widget | dinah: Milton? Yes he did. |
| 02:11:20 | captain_proton | Widget: any author who can make you reread a paragraph 10 times before you can understand it is cool |
| 02:11:33 | dinah | when did you last read paradise lost, or regained or lycdias |
| 02:11:46 | Widget | In school, I had to read it this semester. |
| 02:11:55 | Widget | Paradise Lost, that is. |
| 02:12:00 | Widget | And various times since then. |
| 02:12:07 | Widget | "O fairest of creation, last and best!" |
| 02:12:11 | dinah | i minored in english lit so i know more thn you dear boy |
| 02:12:22 | Widget | dinah: You most likely would not be able to understand Old English should you see it. |
| 02:12:29 | Widget | dinah: When was the last time you read Beowulf? |
| 02:12:31 | fontenot | is amused. |
| 02:12:33 | dinah | care to bet? |
| 02:12:42 | Widget | dinah: Certainly. |
| 02:12:49 | dinah | i read chaucer in the origonal... |
| 02:12:49 | Widget | dinah: Let me find an Old English passage for you. |
| 02:12:56 | Widget | dinah: Chaucer is not Old English. |
| 02:13:03 | dinah | i know everything |
| 02:13:03 | Widget | dinah: He wrote centuries after the Norman Conquest. |
| 02:13:11 | Widget | dinah: He spoke an early form of Middle English. |
| 02:13:34 | dinah | puts Widget back on ignore |
| 02:14:02 | dinah | theres no point in argueing with children they refuse to admit mistakes |
| 02:14:06 | fontenot | goes to talk about bzflag on #ye_olde_englishe |
| 02:14:28 | dinah | bah! thats the first thing yove said |
| 02:14:51 | fontenot | I'm just funnin' |
| 02:14:55 | patlabor221 | you know that noise that drives arn't suposed to make? |
| 02:15:09 | dinah | dear god hes a child |
| 02:15:11 | Widget | Hwaet! We Gardena in geardagum eocyninga, rym gefrunon, hu tha aethelingas ellen fremedon. |
| 02:15:28 | Widget | -- Opening lines of Beowulf |
| 02:15:41 | fontenot | patlabor221: I can think of at least three different noises that hard drives aren't supposed to meke |
| 02:15:48 | patlabor221 | it's making them |
| 02:16:04 | patlabor221 | the one that ends in griiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnddddddddd |
| 02:16:13 | fontenot | patlabor221: :-( new drive? old? IBM? |
| 02:16:22 | Widget | patlabor221: Gremlins. Definitely gremlins. |
| 02:16:42 | patlabor221 | not old not new |
| 02:16:46 | patlabor221 | quatum |
| 02:16:57 | Widget | Qantas. |
| 02:17:07 | Widget | Ruuuule Qantas! Qantas rules the air! |
| 02:17:10 | patlabor221 | I'll just toss it in the bin and get anoter from the pile |
| 02:17:57 | fontenot | one of my IBM deathstar drives started doing that |
| 02:18:06 | Widget | Deathstar? |
| 02:18:07 | fontenot | and about 8 of them ar work did it |
| 02:18:11 | fontenot | deskstar |
| 02:18:15 | fontenot | it's a funny pun |
| 02:18:23 | fontenot | because they die so frequently |
| 02:18:23 | dinah | goes to bed, it's very late in london |
| 02:18:34 | patlabor221 | g'night |
| 02:18:38 | Doug_mac_guy | fireworks was great |
| 02:18:40 | Doug_mac_guy | cya |
| 02:18:44 | Doug_mac_guy | :) |
| 02:18:55 | Widget | London.... largest city in Europe. |
| 02:19:06 | Doug_mac_guy | neiber had the BIG 100 foot fireworks :) |
| 02:19:22 | Doug_mac_guy | neighber* |
| 02:19:41 | captain_proton | ugg |
| 02:19:43 | captain_proton | learn to speel |
| 02:19:49 | Widget | That's dangerous. |
| 02:19:53 | Widget | Yes. |
| 02:19:56 | Widget | It's neighbour. |
| 02:19:57 | Doug_mac_guy | lol |
| 02:20:07 | Doug_mac_guy | I cant speel, I am in kentuuuky |
| 02:20:13 | fontenot | lol |
| 02:20:14 | Doug_mac_guy | :) |
| 02:20:21 | Doug_mac_guy | hmm |
| 02:20:25 | fontenot | i love playing with fireworks |
| 02:20:35 | Doug_mac_guy | our neigjbor was about 1/4 mile away |
| 02:20:35 | fontenot | but havent lived anywhere which allowed them in many years |
| 02:20:54 | Doug_mac_guy | and the echo of the boom was awsome |
| 02:21:09 | Doug_mac_guy | :) |
| 02:21:29 | fontenot | nice |
| 02:21:43 | Widget | Hm. |
| 02:21:46 | Doug_mac_guy | and of course bottle rockets |
| 02:21:49 | Doug_mac_guy | woohoo |
| 02:21:59 | Doug_mac_guy | ever see it go underwater? |
| 02:22:07 | Doug_mac_guy | looks like a torpedo |
| 02:22:43 | Doug_mac_guy | hmm |
| 02:22:58 | Widget | In January 2000 I was in Paris. That was a wonderful display. |
| 02:23:05 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 02:23:08 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | I am sure... |
| 02:23:13 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | 2000? |
| 02:23:15 | captain_proton | prays |
| 02:23:16 | Widget | Yes. |
| 02:23:18 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | oh man |
| 02:23:20 | Widget | For the millenium. |
| 02:23:23 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | hehe |
| 02:23:29 | captain_proton | please be faster, please please |
| 02:23:30 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | and the power loss |
| 02:23:35 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sheesh |
| 02:23:38 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ;) |
| 02:23:40 | Widget | captain_proton: What be faster? |
| 02:23:47 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | his brain |
| 02:23:57 | captain_proton | Widget: my sound rewrite caused a 50% framerate drop |
| 02:23:59 | captain_proton | somehow |
| 02:24:06 | Widget | captain_proton: Are you going to let Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz get away with that? |
| 02:24:11 | Widget | captain_proton: Haha. |
| 02:24:18 | Widget | captain_proton: That would give me what..... 1 fps? |
| 02:24:30 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 02:24:31 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sry |
| 02:24:32 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | :) |
| 02:25:33 | Widget | Foolish Lindows. |
| 02:26:36 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 02:26:40 | | lindows is a Linux distribution that says they will be fully compatable with windows or a thief, a crook, and a microsoft in sheeps clothing |
| 02:26:40 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot lindows? |
| 02:27:19 | | widget: wish i knew |
| 02:27:19 | Widget | ibot Doug? |
| 02:27:36 | | OK, Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz. |
| 02:27:36 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot doug is ibot cousin |
| 02:27:53 | captain_proton | BLAH |
| 02:28:00 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | BLAH to you too |
| 02:28:02 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | :) |
| 02:28:06 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-04 23:59:59 | Slashback: Armed, Cracked, Cables | Do You Have The Time? | Alpha 21364 EV7 Specs Released | Hacktivismo to Release Steganography Tool |
| 02:28:06 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot slashdot? |
| 02:28:38 | Widget | OK. |
| 02:28:42 | Widget | captain_proton? |
| 02:28:46 | | Mr. Aphenphosmphobia |
| 02:28:46 | Widget | ibot captain_proton? |
| 02:28:49 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | lol |
| 02:28:53 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sheesh |
| 02:28:54 | | a german gent that enjoys croissant with his pet duck, Tag |
| 02:28:54 | Widget | ibot Chestal? |
| 02:29:01 | | i think widget is A very intellifent and discerning person that eats robots |
| 02:29:01 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot widget? |
| 02:29:03 | | goofey is goofy |
| 02:29:03 | Widget | ibot goofey? |
| 02:29:06 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | bah |
| 02:29:09 | | well, i am dumb or delightfully sexy |
| 02:29:09 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot ibot? |
| 02:29:14 | | it has been said that dinah is recovering from having 21% of her left brain removed |
| 02:29:14 | Widget | ibot dinah? |
| 02:29:17 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | um |
| 02:29:24 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | HAHA!!! |
| 02:29:26 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | er |
| 02:29:41 | | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz: ether leak |
| 02:29:41 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot excuse? |
| 02:29:41 | Widget | Hm.... just an hour ago dinah's description was.... |
| 02:29:47 | Widget | it has been said that dinah is recovering from having 21% of her left |
| 02:29:52 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | lol |
| 02:29:57 | Widget | lung removed |
| 02:30:04 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | lol |
| 02:30:06 | Widget | And now it says brain. LOL. |
| 02:30:08 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sounds better |
| 02:30:15 | Widget | It's perfect! |
| 02:30:15 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | :d |
| 02:30:17 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | :D |
| 02:30:22 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | hehe |
| 02:30:25 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | LOL |
| 02:31:01 | captain_proton | what. the. fuck. |
| 02:31:17 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | language |
| 02:31:18 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | please |
| 02:31:47 | captain_proton | sorry, did i offend your virgin ears? |
| 02:31:53 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | bah |
| 02:32:04 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | or I will, um, kick.... you? |
| 02:32:08 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | hmm |
| 02:32:14 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ignore you for 2 days |
| 02:32:20 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | just type wtf |
| 02:32:21 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ;) |
| 02:32:21 | captain_proton | go ahead |
| 02:32:23 | captain_proton | wtf |
| 02:32:29 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | better |
| 02:33:30 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:33:44 | captain_proton | in the earlier code, the audio thread took up some 1% of the processor time |
| 02:33:49 | Widget | Still having framrate problems? |
| 02:33:50 | captain_proton | in this code, it takes up 46% |
| 02:33:56 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ouch |
| 02:34:02 | Widget | Big-O notation. |
| 02:34:21 | Widget | n! |
| 02:34:27 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 02:34:57 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | 90 minutes to wait for the new army game on filplanet.... |
| 02:34:59 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sheesh |
| 02:35:07 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | filplanet is soooo dumb |
| 02:35:53 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ugh |
| 02:35:58 | Widget | Oh, America's Army. |
| 02:36:03 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | nutrasweet is nasty |
| 02:36:06 | Widget | I tried that about a month ago. |
| 02:36:14 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | makes me dizzyyyyyyyyyfgdd |
| 02:36:16 | Widget | It was.... bad. But, an Infantry killer. |
| 02:36:21 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | lol |
| 02:36:50 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | hmm |
| 02:36:52 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | why? |
| 02:37:19 | Widget | Booooooooring. |
| 02:37:23 | Widget | Not like BZFlag. |
| 02:37:24 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 02:37:33 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | the world is not bzflag |
| 02:37:36 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | er |
| 02:37:41 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | bzflag is not the world |
| 02:37:45 | Widget | captain_proton: Kick him. |
| 02:37:52 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ack!! |
| 02:37:53 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | no no |
| 02:37:55 | Widget | captain_proton: You heard what he said. Open treason. |
| 02:37:56 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | um |
| 02:38:01 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | er |
| 02:38:02 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ok |
| 02:38:08 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | I miss speeled it!! |
| 02:38:12 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | :) |
| 02:38:32 | Widget | Je veux parler aux autre francophones..... |
| 02:38:35 | Widget | :( |
| 02:38:39 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | bah |
| 02:38:44 | Widget | Mais Valoche est le seule... |
| 02:38:50 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | tranlate please |
| 02:39:57 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ack |
| 02:40:05 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | my 40 gig drive in full |
| 02:40:11 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sheesh |
| 02:40:19 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | I need a DVD burner |
| 02:40:20 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | :) |
| 02:40:22 | Widget | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz: Monolingual Americans do not deserve to be translated for. |
| 02:40:36 | captain_proton | ibot, x fr en Je veux parler aux autre francophones..... |
| 02:40:37 | | captain_proton: I want to speak to the other French-speaking people..... |
| 02:40:43 | captain_proton | ibot, x fr en Mais Valoche est le seule... |
| 02:40:43 | | captain_proton: But Valoche is it only... |
| 02:41:18 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | cool |
| 02:41:26 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | I knew that |
| 02:41:34 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | but I thought it was turned of... |
| 02:41:36 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | off |
| 02:41:42 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | it uses bablefish |
| 02:42:10 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot x gr en widget is so smart it makes me dizzy |
| 02:42:11 | | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz: widget is so smart makes ME it dizzy |
| 02:42:21 | Widget | What's gr? |
| 02:42:23 | Widget | Greek? |
| 02:42:25 | Widget | Greek is el. |
| 02:42:28 | Widget | For Hellenika. |
| 02:42:35 | | OK, Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz. |
| 02:42:35 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot x en gn widget is so smart it makes me dizzy |
| 02:42:40 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | um |
| 02:42:41 | Widget | German is de... |
| 02:42:42 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sheesh |
| 02:42:44 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | de... |
| 02:42:45 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | duh |
| 02:42:52 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ibot x en de widget is so smart it makes me dizzy |
| 02:42:53 | | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz: widget ist, also intelligent bildet es mich dizzy |
| 02:42:58 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | ah cool |
| 02:43:02 | Widget | Wow..... horrible translation!!!!! |
| 02:43:05 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | hehe |
| 02:43:08 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | who cares? |
| 02:43:15 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | its SOUNDS like german |
| 02:44:56 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | America's Army: Operations 'Recon' |
| 02:44:57 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | This is a temporary low bandwidth version of our website until after the launch. |
| 02:44:58 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | um |
| 02:45:01 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | can I say |
| 02:45:05 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | slashdoted? |
| 02:45:09 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | dotted* |
| 02:46:17 | fontenot | 202MB dl |
| 02:46:26 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 02:46:27 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | yea |
| 02:46:30 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | quite mig |
| 02:46:32 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | big |
| 02:46:43 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | 44 KB sec |
| 02:46:46 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | slow.... |
| 02:48:56 | patlabor221 | can not resist urge to play Never winter nights.......... |
| 02:49:06 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | hmm |
| 02:49:37 | captain_proton | is frustrated |
| 02:49:58 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | wierd |
| 02:49:58 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | http://www.glennbeck.com/news/05172002.shtml |
| 02:51:17 | Widget | captain_proton: Pobrecito. |
| 02:51:22 | Widget | captain_proton: You made a mistake!!!!! |
| 02:51:23 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | from that web page^^^^^^ |
| 02:51:24 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | Even worse than the $20, fold a new dollar coin in half, and it turns into a black helicopter. |
| 02:51:27 | Widget | captain_proton: AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA! |
| 02:51:35 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | kick Widget |
| 02:51:43 | Widget | Hm. |
| 02:51:49 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | hmm |
| 02:51:53 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | never mind |
| 02:51:57 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | nows its evem |
| 02:52:00 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | even!! |
| 02:52:08 | captain_proton | Widget: do you want 1.8 or not? |
| 02:52:19 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 02:52:25 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | sounds liek a threat |
| 02:52:28 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | like* |
| 02:53:45 | captain_proton | meaning he can stop mocking me for actually *gasp* working on bzflag |
| 02:54:50 | ivan | the thing that sucks for me is that everyone is as good as me so i always stay at 0 |
| 02:55:01 | ivan | even when i'm at 100 kills 100 deaths |
| 02:57:43 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | lol |
| 03:00:06 | ivan | sometimes i get +24 but then the newbies leave |
| 03:00:19 | ivan | and then 6 people pick up a guided missile |
| 03:00:24 | ivan | and i'm left out for some reason |
| 03:00:33 | Doug_bed_ZZZZzzz | heh |
| 03:00:34 | ivan | anyway, back to play some more |
| 03:00:41 | captain_proton | trick: don't play on servers with too many GM |
| 03:36:49 | captain_proton | ... well that was fun |
| 03:36:58 | captain_proton | just went on a mad search for an open ice cream place |
| 03:42:48 | captain_proton | ARGG |
| 03:42:51 | captain_proton | why doesn't this work? |
| 03:55:44 | Widget | Hm. |
| 03:55:46 | Widget | I was disconnected. |
| 03:55:52 | Widget | captain_proton: What about my wanting 1.8? |
| 03:59:10 | Widget | Hm. |
| 03:59:21 | Widget | Le canal est mort. :( |
| 04:10:36 | Widget | Hm. |
| 04:17:55 | Widget | Hm. |
| 04:18:02 | Widget | BX keeps ping timing out. |
| 04:30:36 | Widget | Gah. |
| 04:30:43 | captain_proton | dum dee dum |
| 04:30:45 | Widget | All the Americans must be out watching fireworks about now. |
| 04:30:52 | Widget | !!!! captain_proton is still here. |
| 04:30:58 | Widget | He is unpatriotic. |
| 04:31:03 | Widget | He must be a communist. |
| 04:31:14 | captain_proton | i'm looking at a particle system firework |
| 04:31:21 | captain_proton | they've banned fireworks here because of the fire danger |
| 04:31:34 | Widget | Haaaaaaahahahahahahahahhaha. |
| 04:31:41 | Widget | Pobrecito. |
| 04:34:02 | captain_proton | shrugs |
| 04:41:54 | Widget | Hm. |
| 04:42:35 | Widget | I suppose you could see it on television. |
| 04:43:02 | captain_proton | true |
| 04:44:26 | Widget | I bet I could see it on television. |
| 04:45:04 | Widget | Some foolish channel will be carrying a programme on this. |
| 04:52:17 | captain_proton | bah! |
| 04:52:21 | captain_proton | the command buffer is only 100 bytes |
| 05:35:44 | Widget | The ` thing? |
| 05:35:59 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:36:04 | captain_proton | commands passed to the audio thread |
| 05:36:47 | Widget | |
| 05:42:18 | captain_proton | WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 05:42:22 | captain_proton | ITS SO MUCH FUCKING FASTER |
| 05:45:55 | Widget | What was the problem? |
| 05:47:02 | captain_proton | the audioSleep function does a strange select which was having problems when i sent data more than once for a single command |
| 05:47:09 | captain_proton | so i packed it all into a struct and sent once |
| 05:47:15 | Widget | Oooooooooh. |
| 05:47:23 | Widget | Why did it hav eproblems? |
| 05:47:46 | captain_proton | it sleeps once at the beginning of the inner loop function |
| 05:47:53 | captain_proton | and the sleep was returning immediately |
| 05:47:59 | captain_proton | causing it to busy wait the whole time |
| 05:48:01 | Widget | Oh. |
| 05:48:06 | captain_proton | using as much processor time as it could |
| 05:48:13 | captain_proton | (50%) |
| 05:48:56 | Widget | Ah. |
| 05:49:05 | Widget | Yay. It works. |
| 05:49:18 | Widget | Hm... do you know how to get foreign language keyboards working in Linux? |
| 05:49:24 | Widget | In both Console and X. |
| 05:49:58 | Widget | For Spanish, I heard you can just add 'XkbModel "pc102" XkbLayout "is" ' to the Keyboard section of XF86Config. |
| 05:50:40 | captain_proton | loadkeys |
| 05:51:43 | Widget | I have no such program. |
| 05:51:50 | Widget | And I can't find it on the Debian archives. |
| 06:07:36 | captain_proton | is there a 'kbd' package? |
| 06:10:18 | Widget | Oh, yes, got it. |
| 06:10:29 | Widget | But will the changes be permanent? |
| 06:10:42 | Widget | And where can I find a Spanish keyboard map? |
| 06:10:56 | captain_proton | no - you need to load the keymap on boot |
| 06:11:02 | Widget | How? |
| 06:11:53 | captain_proton | put it in an init script |
| 06:12:20 | Widget | Hm.... |
| 06:12:32 | Widget | Is /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz loaded on boot by default? |
| 06:13:22 | captain_proton | possibly |
| 06:13:27 | captain_proton | i don't know how debian does things |
| 06:14:10 | Widget | Woohoo, it turns out yes. |
| 06:14:12 | Widget | How convenient. |
| 06:14:34 | Widget | Hm.... and the last problem is to get a Spanish keyboard map. |
| 06:14:42 | captain_proton | hold on to your pants |
| 06:14:46 | captain_proton | about to commit the new sound stuff |
| 06:14:58 | Widget | Eep. |
| 06:21:03 | Widget | Is it commited? |
| 06:22:40 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:23:37 | Widget | So what will I notice that is different? |
| 06:24:11 | captain_proton | right now? nothing |
| 06:25:28 | Widget | What is different? |
| 06:25:51 | captain_proton | each job can potentially have a string identifier, and be looped |
| 06:26:08 | captain_proton | so you could specify 'rain' as the identifier, loop, then when it stops raining, remove the 'rain' job |
| 06:26:17 | Widget | Hm. |
| 06:26:57 | captain_proton | goes off to shower |
| 06:40:48 | Widget | BZFlag takes forever to compile these days. |
| 06:46:04 | captain_proton | 'lo BZFlag |
| 06:46:36 | captain_proton | Widget: just wait until we add libvorbis to the compilation ;) |
| 06:49:14 | Widget | Keyboard support! |
| 06:49:27 | Widget | captain_proton: I shall be playing 1.8 for a few seconds. |
| 06:50:19 | captain_proton | ooh look at the source line count: |
| 06:50:24 | captain_proton | 98207 total\ |
| 06:50:27 | captain_proton | we're sooo close |
| 06:51:28 | Widget | Quick! Obfuscate some files! Add lots of useless comments! |
| 07:52:12 | captain_proton | researches how to use vorbis with C++ streams |
| 08:33:25 | captain_proton | holy shit |
| 08:34:31 | captain_proton | uhm |
| 08:34:42 | captain_proton | i just implemented ogg decoding for sound effects in 20 minutes |
| 08:39:25 | captain_proton | woowoo |
| 08:39:31 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara bzflag]$ du -sh data |
| 08:39:31 | captain_proton | 964kdata |
| 08:39:46 | captain_proton | as compared with 2.3M |
| 08:42:35 | captain_proton | someone WAKE UP |
| 08:51:43 | captain_proton | needs MAC now |
| 09:00:15 | BZFlag | captain_proton: you converted everything over to ogg? |
| 09:00:28 | BZFlag | what's the size difference? |
| 09:00:38 | BZFlag | oh, me should read... ;-) |
| 09:01:08 | captain_proton | libvorbisfile has a beautiful API |
| 09:01:31 | BZFlag | but that's all data. what was just .wav vs .ogg |
| 09:02:09 | captain_proton | 300k vs 1.7M |
| 09:02:15 | BZFlag | sweet! ;-) |
| 09:02:23 | captain_proton | all encoded in VBR |
| 09:02:55 | captain_proton | it could have compressed them further if they were 44.1KHz instead of 22 |
| 09:09:30 | captain_proton | BZFlag: it really whips the GNU's ass (?) |
| 09:10:12 | captain_proton | rewards himself with a game of gnomine |
| 09:11:24 | BZFlag | got a call back yet? |
| 09:11:34 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 09:13:12 | BZFlag | got continuous music etc. ;-) |
| 09:13:25 | captain_proton | ahh, no, not yet |
| 09:13:32 | captain_proton | music will work slightly differently, though |
| 09:13:52 | captain_proton | it loads all the sound effects into RAM on load (latency is too high otherwise) |
| 09:13:59 | captain_proton | but music it can decompress on the fly |
| 09:14:27 | BZFlag | what happens on windows/mac/etc? |
| 09:14:46 | captain_proton | right now it won't build ;) |
| 09:17:54 | captain_proton | libvorbis will run on just about anything though |
| 09:18:59 | captain_proton | and if it doesn't, they can just fall back on wav |
| 09:23:39 | BZFlag | with no .wav files? |
| 09:23:56 | captain_proton | well, true |
| 09:25:31 | captain_proton | libvorbis will run with minimal porting on any system that supports floating point |
| 09:29:21 | captain_proton | looks like their sample implementation is all one in ANSI C |
| 09:29:51 | captain_proton | so there's no porting at all |
| 09:37:31 | captain_proton | at some point i should reimplement the shot indicator to placate nuum |
| 09:41:46 | captain_proton | BZFlag: about the callback, it seems that there's already a call to updateSound() every loop of playing.cxx, so just add a select() in there to see if there's a message from the other process |
| 09:41:50 | akira_ | moin |
| 09:41:53 | akira_ | aaah captain_proton :)) |
| 09:42:13 | akira_ | did patlabor told you my idea ? |
| 09:42:17 | captain_proton | akira_: nope |
| 09:42:36 | BZFlag | captain_proton: cool. |
| 09:42:39 | akira_ | ok, then ... opengl throws away all "bad" triangles |
| 09:42:43 | captain_proton | ohh yes |
| 09:43:15 | akira_ | so, mark the dead one as 0,0,0 should solve the problem .. we dont need to reorganize the whole array ... |
| 09:43:29 | akira_ | we dont even need an indexarray |
| 09:44:26 | captain_proton | akira_: then you're still sending to the card |
| 09:44:44 | captain_proton | BZFlag: however, i'm not sure a bi-directional pipe exists |
| 09:45:00 | akira_ | not true captain_proton |
| 09:45:08 | captain_proton | akira_: depends where its implemented |
| 09:45:12 | akira_ | the opengl library is on the pc ... |
| 09:45:45 | akira_ | captain_proton: yeah, better so ... depends on where its implemented |
| 09:45:49 | captain_proton | some SGI boxes have the entire pipeline in hardware |
| 09:47:29 | captain_proton | BZFlag: looks like it will work on windows, but not *nix |
| 09:48:05 | BZFlag | why no *nix? |
| 09:48:20 | captain_proton | well - windows they're just coexisting threads |
| 09:48:26 | captain_proton | lock a mutex, write to the buffer |
| 09:48:33 | captain_proton | on *nix, its a pipe |
| 09:49:19 | captain_proton | ugg |
| 09:49:26 | captain_proton | doesn't want to mess with the mplatform stuff |
| 09:52:35 | akira_ | captain_proton: but on sgis you wont send the vertices to the graca coz the sgi IS the graca :)) |
| 09:53:07 | captain_proton | akira_: it was just an example of that in hardware |
| 09:53:15 | akira_ | i know |
| 09:53:56 | akira_ | i will try to make particle system in both ways so we could check performance issues on different system ... |
| 09:54:12 | akira_ | never done a particle system before so it could be fun at all :) |
| 09:54:41 | captain_proton | ok - in a couple days i leave for 2 weeks, so maybe when i return i'll implement which ever one works the fastest |
| 09:54:57 | akira_ | hehe |
| 09:57:08 | captain_proton | akira_: seen the size of the audio files recently? ;) |
| 09:57:55 | akira_ | nope |
| 09:57:57 | akira_ | should i ? |
| 09:58:06 | akira_ | still wave ? |
| 09:58:33 | captain_proton | nope =) |
| 09:58:58 | akira_ | mp3 ? or better ogg ? |
| 09:59:03 | captain_proton | ogg |
| 09:59:06 | akira_ | nice |
| 09:59:08 | captain_proton | 300k total |
| 09:59:19 | akira_ | clever decision |
| 09:59:37 | captain_proton | took about 10 minutes to implement too |
| 09:59:38 | captain_proton | =D |
| 10:01:15 | akira_ | libogg ? ;) |
| 10:01:58 | captain_proton | libvorbis |
| 10:02:08 | akira_ | same :) |
| 10:02:19 | akira_ | need extra dll under win32 ? |
| 10:02:46 | captain_proton | right now it won't compile under win32 (project files need a few fixes from my latest updates) |
| 10:02:52 | captain_proton | and it needs libvorbis on win |
| 10:03:03 | akira_ | besides: is someone complaining about my bad behavior... the space between word and the last punctation ? <- |
| 10:03:32 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 10:03:56 | akira_ | huh ? <- |
| 10:04:06 | captain_proton | yes, thats bad |
| 10:04:11 | akira_ | you say "huh?" and i say/type mostly "huh ?" |
| 10:04:25 | akira_ | really ? |
| 10:04:27 | akira_ | dan |
| 10:04:30 | akira_ | really? |
| 10:05:32 | captain_proton | yup |
| 10:05:50 | akira_ | :( |
| 10:05:57 | akira_ | bad aki bad aki |
| 10:07:12 | akira_ | so, you will compile it static in bzflag or dynamic ? |
| 10:07:14 | akira_ | damn |
| 10:08:26 | captain_proton | its dynamic in the linux build right now |
| 10:09:09 | captain_proton | i don't think it makes sense at this point to make it dynamic since libvorbis will install on just about anything |
| 10:09:58 | akira_ | ? |
| 10:10:12 | akira_ | ah |
| 10:10:38 | akira_ | but i hate win32 ... so .. there it should compile static .. coz i hate dlls |
| 10:11:26 | captain_proton | well - feel free to fix up the project files |
| 10:11:45 | captain_proton | sound.h & sound.cxx are gone, SoundManager.h & SoundManager.cxx are in (in src/bzflag) |
| 10:11:59 | captain_proton | OggAudioFile.h and OggAudioFile.cxx are new in src/mplatform |
| 10:12:00 | captain_proton | err |
| 10:12:03 | captain_proton | src/mediafile |
| 10:12:45 | akira_ | we ll see |
| 10:13:05 | captain_proton | plus link with libvorbis |
| 10:13:18 | akira_ | of coz |
| 10:13:42 | captain_proton | and possibly may need to define _STREAM_COMPAT |
| 10:13:43 | akira_ | but then vorbis has to come with bzflag ... |
| 10:14:00 | captain_proton | yes, good point |
| 10:14:03 | captain_proton | at least on win32 |
| 10:14:22 | akira_ | i mean in the source |
| 10:14:28 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 10:14:51 | captain_proton | i'm not sure thats completely necessary, since a binary already exists |
| 10:15:07 | akira_ | perhaps static libs should be enough |
| 10:15:15 | akira_ | headers + *.lib |
| 10:15:34 | captain_proton | that would require static lib per platform (yucko) |
| 10:16:16 | captain_proton | i'd rather just say that to compile, you need to install the sdk, and make it package the lib in the installer |
| 10:16:20 | akira_ | or we "integrate" the needed stuff from libvorbis in the source :) |
| 10:16:36 | akira_ | captain_proton: or that whay |
| 10:16:39 | akira_ | way |
| 10:17:42 | akira_ | shot time gone |
| 10:17:45 | akira_ | is away: I'm busy |
| 10:18:25 | captain_proton | goes to sleep |
| 10:24:00 | akira_ | is back (gone 00:06:15) |
| 10:44:58 | akira_ | Chestal: da? |
| 10:45:44 | akira_ | moin tankmann |
| 10:45:53 | tankmann | heidihou |
| 11:38:24 | akira_ | Chestal: bist du wach ? |
| 12:36:40 | akira_ | cu all |
| 12:52:37 | dinah | good afternoon tankers |
| 12:59:57 | DrLurv | hi everybody, ive just logged in to see if any of you ppl can help me start my own bleeding server up. |
| 13:00:25 | DrLurv | ive got 1.7e6, and i seem to be having some problems |
| 13:01:04 | dinah | what sort of probs? |
| 13:01:13 | DrLurv | i can play on other servers, but when i start my own server, it doesnt show up on the list when i do find servers |
| 13:01:30 | dinah | windows or linux? |
| 13:01:34 | DrLurv | linux |
| 13:01:45 | dinah | what command are you using? |
| 13:01:50 | DrLurv | im not running any firewalls or stuff like that |
| 13:02:17 | DrLurv | ok, ive used heaps of different commands, everything from just plain old bzfs & |
| 13:02:22 | DrLurv | to: |
| 13:02:34 | Doug_gone_busy | moo |
| 13:02:36 | DrLurv | alias bzfsVorpal='bzfs +f gm +f gm +f l -r +r -s -j -t -public "DrLoves Server" -ms 10 -mp 10 -i vorpal.dyndns.org -p 5155 -pr 5156 -publicaddr vorpal.dyndns.org:5155 -world /usr/local/games/bzflag/worlds/hiway1.bzw &' |
| 13:02:58 | Doug_eating | chow mein for breakfast |
| 13:03:06 | dinah | thinks doug is always eating |
| 13:03:16 | Doug_eating | bah |
| 13:03:21 | DrLurv | as ive downloaded the hiway1 map, and im running a dynamic DNS thing at vorpal.dyndns,org |
| 13:03:21 | Doug_eating | I eat at every meail |
| 13:03:26 | Doug_eating | mael |
| 13:03:27 | DrLurv | go dougie:) |
| 13:03:28 | Doug_eating | bah |
| 13:03:33 | Doug_eating | meal |
| 13:03:37 | Doug_eating | :) |
| 13:03:42 | Doug_eating | bah |
| 13:03:47 | Chestal | drluv: hmm, a simple -public "DrLovves Server" should be enough to get it into the server list |
| 13:03:59 | DrLurv | chow mein is good i cold do with some im sick of toasted sanwhiches and vegemite on toast |
| 13:04:01 | Chestal | drluv: that is, when youre satisfied with the default port (5156) and hostname |
| 13:04:09 | Doug_eating | lol |
| 13:04:32 | Doug_eating | actualy I am having eggs and ham |
| 13:04:35 | Chestal | drlurv: you can try and and one or more -d options, this makes the server more verbose |
| 13:04:37 | Doug_eating | green eggs and ham |
| 13:04:51 | Doug_eating | anyway, I am gone |
| 13:05:17 | DrLurv | okily dokily, well ah ok ill add -d then that sounds good, can i ask a nother quick question, how do you actually give the server commands, like /lagstats? |
| 13:05:27 | DrLurv | it doesnt seem to accept them from the command line |
| 13:05:33 | dinah | lol! |
| 13:05:35 | DrLurv | when its running |
| 13:05:47 | DrLurv | forgive my stupid newbie questions |
| 13:05:49 | Chestal | drlurv: it doesn't, you'll have to login as a player / observer and give the commands |
| 13:06:10 | DrLurv | ok, well, i thought that might be it, but then how do you enter a command in the client>? |
| 13:06:33 | Chestal | with -d, you should see a line like 'accept() from 166.70.15.250:14385 on 7' immediately |
| 13:06:39 | Chestal | that's the lsit server trying to contact your server |
| 13:06:51 | DrLurv | ok |
| 13:06:55 | Chestal | drlurv: just send it as a normal message with 'n' |
| 13:07:05 | DrLurv | ahaha okay, kewl |
| 13:07:09 | DrLurv | ta :) |
| 13:07:14 | Chestal | when the first character is a '/', the server won't transmit it to other players, but interprets it as a command |
| 13:07:46 | DrLurv | ok kewl, ill just try these suggestions out ! |
| 13:07:58 | DrLurv | thanks again, hopefuklly that will do it:) |
| 13:08:01 | Chestal | when the lsit server still doesn't work, you can also try and specify the list server address explicitly with -publiclist |
| 13:08:19 | DrLurv | okay, |
| 13:08:29 | Chestal | I never needed to do that for the server, though |
| 13:13:43 | DrLurv | well, i started one up and the -d option was handy so i could see it print some info, but i havent received anything like accept() from 166.70.15.250:14385 on 7 |
| 13:13:50 | DrLurv | it didnt happen immediately at all.... |
| 13:13:52 | DrLurv | :( |
| 13:14:07 | DrLurv | ill try starting a simpler server, with less options |
| 13:15:31 | DrLurv | bzfs -d -public "DrLoves Server" -world /usr/local/games/bzflag/worlds/hiway1.bzw & |
| 13:15:55 | DrLurv | thats all i used and i still didnt get any accept message from the list server :( |
| 13:17:11 | dinah | not only that but i cant seem to connect to the server manualy |
| 13:18:18 | DrLurv | :( |
| 13:18:32 | dinah | sure you have ports open? |
| 13:18:47 | DrLurv | this is bloody confusing. maybe i do have some demented firewall thing going that i dopnt know about |
| 13:19:13 | dinah | thinks he should tun bzfrelay |
| 13:19:44 | DrLurv | well, i dont think im running anything that would close off my ports... ok ill have a look at the bzfrelay options |
| 13:20:05 | dinah | but then hey, i have no idea what im talking about =P |
| 13:20:20 | DrLurv | maybe my http server is hogging a range of ports or sopmething |
| 13:29:15 | dinah | MrApathyCream: they tell me you made a 'silent' patch? what exactly does that do? if you dont mind me asking... |
| 13:31:13 | MrApathyCream | if there's a foul-mouthed player you can stop messsages from that person showing up in your view |
| 13:31:18 | MrApathyCream | <for kids... mostly> |
| 13:31:27 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag:PG13, etc |
| 13:32:09 | dinah | hmmm, does it tell them they've been silenced? |
| 13:32:37 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 13:33:00 | dinah | oh, i think that would be a really ripping feature |
| 13:33:20 | DrLurv | heheh |
| 13:33:42 | DrLurv | hey well, anyway, bzfrelay didnt seem to help :( |
| 13:33:59 | DrLurv | i reckon theres a bug in 1.7e6 |
| 13:34:38 | dinah | ill wager no |
| 13:35:16 | DrLurv | well, it seems im having the exact same problem as a guy who wrote into the forums !! |
| 13:35:35 | DrLurv | and even timriker didnt seem to know what was wrong |
| 13:35:59 | DrLurv | he said the guy must be running a firewall, and im sure im not. |
| 13:36:00 | dinah | never you mind that. i never could get a server running with e2-e7 |
| 13:36:52 | DrLurv | well... what version of the server should i run then? |
| 13:37:00 | DrLurv | i dont mind getting another version of the server |
| 13:37:29 | DrLurv | is e1 ok is it, in other respects? |
| 13:37:48 | dinah | no i only meant some of us just cant figure it out |
| 13:37:53 | DrLurv | oh |
| 13:38:28 | DrLurv | well.. me too... the documentation and help is rather indecisiove and i swear its bollocksed up |
| 13:39:09 | DrLurv | i mean, it may work, if you test a billion options, but all is not well and it doesnt seem to work as it should ! |
| 13:39:33 | DrLurv | jss: /home/jss > bzfrelay -a 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.0 -d -d -d -d -f 127.0.0.1 & |
| 13:39:33 | DrLurv | [2] 4047 |
| 13:39:33 | DrLurv | jss: /home/jss > INFO: starting |
| 13:39:33 | DrLurv | INFO: server is 127.0.0.1:5155 |
| 13:39:33 | DrLurv | INFO: listening on 0.0.0.0:5155, reconnect on 5157 |
| 13:39:51 | dinah | belives its not the options is only network barney |
| 13:40:21 | DrLurv | does that look normal?? for it to be listening on 0.0.0.0:5155 when ive told it 127.0.0.1 ?? |
| 13:40:40 | DrLurv | its weird |
| 13:40:55 | dinah | is not a computer person |
| 13:41:24 | dinah | i know a wee bit is all |
| 13:41:31 | DrLurv | doh! im spewing... im in bloody australia and i get 800-1000ms lag on the european servers and i cant seem to find any servers with anyone else on them that is closer and faster. |
| 13:41:54 | dinah | pick one, ill come play, right? |
| 13:42:12 | DrLurv | and im goingf to a LAN in a weeks time and i wanna run a server on the LAN |
| 13:42:45 | DrLurv | id luv ta give ya a game dina :) but youll kikll me :) |
| 13:43:02 | DrLurv | you just wanna kill a newbie with lag, i know your sort :P |
| 13:43:17 | dinah | i know many tankers who can tell you i rott at this |
| 13:43:34 | DrLurv | well, ok where doya wanan play? |
| 13:43:54 | DrLurv | a server which is not too busy would be good, cos im on a dial up |
| 13:44:03 | DrLurv | and too many players flood my line |
| 13:44:04 | dinah | you say you fear lag, find a server thas good for you |
| 13:44:14 | DrLurv | ok, i will do |
| 13:44:23 | DrLurv | gimem 5 mins |
| 13:44:32 | dinah | certainly |
| 13:48:58 | DrLurv | ok, well, www.digitaleclipse.com says my lag is 0ms when i do /lagstats but that cant be right :( |
| 13:49:21 | dinah | what versionare you using? |
| 13:49:33 | DrLurv | i.7e6 the latest one |
| 13:49:49 | DrLurv | digitaleclipse said they were using 1.7e4 |
| 13:49:59 | dinah | well how long did you wait before you tried lastats? it takes a bit |
| 13:50:12 | DrLurv | ah, i did it more or less straightaway |
| 13:50:25 | DrLurv | ill try again... |
| 13:50:30 | dinah | give it a bit k luv? |
| 13:50:41 | DrLurv | will do sweetie :) |
| 13:51:11 | dinah | should learn to be carefull what she says to people on irc |
| 13:59:02 | MrApathyCream | lag isn't registered on e4 servers until you kill someone |
| 13:59:10 | teA_ | hi |
| 14:02:52 | Chestal | drlurv: is your server running right now? |
| 14:03:10 | dinah | nope hes on digitaleclips |
| 14:03:53 | dinah | p.s. his callsign is 'swallowmyload' i say forget 'em |
| 14:03:55 | Chestal | MAC: do you think there are any patches out there which are worth considering for a quick 1.7e8 release? |
| 14:04:10 | MrApathyCream | slow jump |
| 14:04:21 | Chestal | MAC: if you want, you can check out my new patch, I extended akira's |
| 14:04:30 | MrApathyCream | on sf?, ok |
| 14:04:34 | Chestal | MAC: the fall through bug fix has been reverted in CVS? |
| 14:04:35 | DrLurv | swallowmywad, not swallowmyload |
| 14:04:38 | Chestal | MAC: no, not yet on sf |
| 14:04:43 | MrApathyCream | no... just added as a patch |
| 14:04:54 | MrApathyCream | i was assuming someone would REALLY fix it |
| 14:05:01 | Chestal | ftp://ftp.unix-ag.org/user/thilo/hudswitch.diff |
| 14:05:03 | DrLurv | anyway, geez, im sorry dinah, i shouldve changed my name considering i was playing a civilised and cultured lady |
| 14:05:14 | Chestal | MAC: hmm, I think it's reverted in CVS |
| 14:05:23 | Chestal | I do not quite understand the collision checks anyway |
| 14:05:26 | MrApathyCream | ok... |
| 14:05:27 | Chestal | but the original fix was just wrong |
| 14:05:30 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 14:05:39 | Chestal | the code already tries to be smart |
| 14:05:56 | MrApathyCream | as crs says... one should just for loop multi-times if delta is high |
| 14:05:56 | DrLurv | but i didnt thing it was so out of place in the heat of other games |
| 14:06:02 | Chestal | it uses some sort of binary search to find the point of time for collision |
| 14:07:16 | Chestal | drLurv: can you start your bzfs again, just withotu any parameters? |
| 14:07:23 | DrLurv | yep, ok |
| 14:07:32 | Chestal | and give me the address again |
| 14:07:32 | DrLurv | just plain old bzfs & |
| 14:07:36 | Chestal | yes |
| 14:07:44 | DrLurv | okay |
| 14:08:30 | dinah | says lose the & or he wont see when people connect. right? |
| 14:08:39 | Chestal | no, it doesn't matter |
| 14:09:25 | dinah | decides to stop trying to know things about computers |
| 14:09:43 | DrLurv | well, my website is at vorpal.dyndns.org but im stuffed if i can remember how to find out my own bloody ip address |
| 14:09:52 | DrLurv | der... |
| 14:10:16 | Chestal | well, when the hostname resolves correctly, that's fine |
| 14:10:25 | DrLurv | ah ok kewl |
| 14:10:26 | Chestal | you can just ping it, or use 'nslookup' or 'host' |
| 14:10:45 | Chestal | hmm, ok, I can establish a TCP connection |
| 14:11:32 | DrLurv | yep, 144.138.242.227 thats the ip |
| 14:11:50 | DrLurv | anyway, yeah my htto server and bzfs are both up |
| 14:11:58 | Chestal | ok, it's slow, but I can connect with my client |
| 14:12:11 | DrLurv | oh wow ! |
| 14:12:20 | dinah | he is on dial up |
| 14:12:21 | Chestal | try bzfs -d -public whatever please |
| 14:12:30 | DrLurv | yeah it would be slow as im in australia on a dial up at the mo |
| 14:12:40 | Chestal | hmm, 56k? |
| 14:12:44 | DrLurv | yep |
| 14:12:52 | Chestal | a server over 56k doesn't make much sense |
| 14:13:01 | dinah | shrinks back in terror |
| 14:13:27 | DrLurv | well, it does when your in australia and every server you see with anyone on it has 800-1000ms lag |
| 14:13:49 | MrApathyCream | there's some new zealand servers i think, any good? |
| 14:14:00 | DrLurv | and you just wanna play against your brother who is on the other side of town and check that you know how to set up a server for a LAN im going to in a week |
| 14:14:54 | DrLurv | i saw a new zealand server on the other nioght and tried that, but i cant remember whether my client froze when trying to connect (as it sometimes does) or whether the server was just empty at the time |
| 14:16:22 | DrLurv | ok chestal, ive started up my server again with bzfs -public vorpal.dyndns.org |
| 14:16:41 | DrLurv | thanks for the help ppl, i do appreciate it :) |
| 14:19:58 | DrLurv | maybe i should try it with my direct ip number this time, tho it would be a nuisance to have to do it that way as my ip changes every time i dial in |
| 14:21:11 | DrLurv | do you guys know of any servers in asia ? whhen i do a find server i get about 20 servers, most of which look like theyre in europe or usa |
| 14:21:42 | DrLurv | and i havent sene the new zealand one since the first time i tried it unsuccessfully |
| 14:22:38 | DrLurv | and i keep getting kicked off ducati even tho i like that server, cos my lag is too high :( |
| 14:23:01 | MrApathyCream | lag limit 300 |
| 14:23:11 | DrLurv | yeah im way over that :( |
| 14:23:40 | MrApathyCream | heads off to the coal mines |
| 14:23:49 | DrLurv | i know its fair enuff tho, it cant be too much fun playing against peopel with high lag |
| 14:33:07 | dinah | drinks a big irish coffee ;) |
| 14:33:23 | DrLurv | Well, i just managed to connect to my own server by specifying the ip address and doing a connect woohoo !! |
| 14:33:52 | DrLurv | for some reason i just cant seem to find my server tho when i do find server !!!! |
| 14:34:41 | dinah | starts looking for that server staring script noodle gave her |
| 14:35:02 | Chestal | I was busy |
| 14:35:06 | Chestal | drlurv: what's the status? |
| 14:36:00 | DrLurv | i think this is a bit of a problem, in the long run, as GLtron will continue to outrank BZFlag in the happypengui.org ratings until its easier for people to start servers and let people find them ! |
| 14:36:12 | DrLurv | um, chestal, try connecting at: |
| 14:36:19 | Chestal | DrLurv: gltron? what's that? I only know armagetron |
| 14:36:27 | DrLurv | 144.138.242.227 |
| 14:36:30 | Chestal | please try bzfs -d -d -d -public foo |
| 14:36:45 | dinah | ohhh gltron is good but its only the same thing over and over... |
| 14:36:47 | DrLurv | ok ill restart it with thos options hang on a tic |
| 14:38:27 | DrLurv | ok its done... i reckon it must be my http server thats making it difficult actually... ill have to check my http log and see if the list server has been coming up against my http server |
| 14:38:37 | DrLurv | just shut my http server down |
| 14:39:05 | DrLurv | ill go into bzflag and see if i meet ya in there Chestal :) |
| 14:39:48 | Chestal | ehm, what does bzfs say? |
| 14:39:56 | Chestal | should say somethign liek ADD .... ? |
| 14:40:40 | DrLurv | sorry, it didnt seem to start up properly the first time dunno what happened there |
| 14:41:01 | DrLurv | this time it has started and it just said style :0 |
| 14:41:09 | DrLurv | .... |
| 14:41:11 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:41:13 | DrLurv | is that not good? |
| 14:41:19 | Chestal | how many -d did you use? |
| 14:41:34 | DrLurv | 3 |
| 14:41:38 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:41:48 | Chestal | I get |
| 14:41:48 | Chestal | style: 0 |
| 14:41:48 | Chestal | openMulticast: bind: Address already in use |
| 14:41:49 | Chestal | listening on 0.0.0.0:5155 |
| 14:41:49 | Chestal | ADD paranuss.informatik.uni-siegen.de 4 BZFS107e 000000280001000000000000000000000028002800280028002800000000000000000000 foo |
| 14:42:04 | DrLurv | is that the sort of thing it should say? |
| 14:42:14 | Chestal | the ADD line is the lon eit sends to the lsit server |
| 14:42:24 | DrLurv | ive NEVER seen it say anything like that... |
| 14:42:34 | DrLurv | hmmm.. this is weird |
| 14:42:37 | Chestal | bzfs -d -d -d -public foo ? |
| 14:42:57 | dinah | foo <giggle> |
| 14:43:04 | DrLurv | bzfs -d -d -d -ttl 40 -public 144.138.242.227 & |
| 14:43:20 | DrLurv | thas enuff irish coffee for you dinah :) |
| 14:43:28 | DrLurv | hehe |
| 14:43:31 | Chestal | drlurv: can you access http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt ? |
| 14:43:36 | Chestal | without a proxy |
| 14:44:03 | DrLurv | bzflist://166.70.15.250/ |
| 14:44:25 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:44:25 | DrLurv | maybe my stupid ISP is using some sort of proxy system without me knowing it |
| 14:44:41 | Chestal | try bzfs -d -d -d -public foo -publiclist bzflist://166.70.15.250/ |
| 14:44:47 | DrLurv | k |
| 14:45:39 | DrLurv | ahahaha |
| 14:45:43 | DrLurv | connecting to HTTP server: Connection timed out |
| 14:45:43 | DrLurv | failed: http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt |
| 14:45:44 | DrLurv | listening on 0.0.0.0:5155 |
| 14:45:47 | DrLurv | i just got that |
| 14:45:58 | DrLurv | from the last time |
| 14:46:01 | Chestal | ah |
| 14:46:11 | Chestal | then the new version should probably work |
| 14:46:52 | DrLurv | jss: /home/jss > bzfs -d -d -d -ttl 40 -public 144.138.242.227 -publiclist bzflist://166.70.15.250/ |
| 14:46:52 | DrLurv | style: 0 |
| 14:46:52 | DrLurv | listening on 0.0.0.0:5155 |
| 14:46:52 | DrLurv | ADD localhost.localdomain 6 BZFS107e 000000280001000000000000000000000028002800280028002800000000000000000000 144.138.242.227 |
| 14:47:05 | DrLurv | yep that worked, youre a champ !!! :) |
| 14:47:12 | DrLurv | thanks heaps :) |
| 14:47:28 | DrLurv | woohoo :) |
| 14:47:47 | Chestal | the only downside is that you might get probvlems, when the lsit server moves to another machine |
| 14:47:59 | Chestal | you eliminated one level of indirection |
| 14:48:25 | DrLurv | well, i spose thats ok tho, if/when i have problems ill just find out where the machine has moved to |
| 14:49:00 | DrLurv | it would be nice to know what the problem was tho, so ill kepp looking into it, and let people know if i work out the problem |
| 14:49:35 | DrLurv | its good to know the system basically works tho, even if it could be made a bit more user friendly for newbies like me :) |
| 14:49:47 | dinah | DrLurv: im sending you the server startup scrips noodle gave me, just for kick ;) |
| 14:50:39 | DrLurv | thanks : um, the bzfs one failed but i got the bzfs2 one |
| 14:50:57 | dinah | hmm its says waiting on my end |
| 14:51:15 | Chestal | drlurv: a problem like yours usually occurs when you cannot directly access web page son port 80 withotu a proxy |
| 14:51:37 | Chestal | you're on Linux? |
| 14:52:00 | Chestal | does wget -Y off http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt work? |
| 14:52:00 | DrLurv | yeah, doya think ive got some kind of proxy setup like to cache pages or somethimng? |
| 14:53:02 | DrLurv | > wget -Y off http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt |
| 14:53:02 | DrLurv | --22:30:07-- http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt |
| 14:53:02 | DrLurv | => `list-server.txt' |
| 14:53:02 | DrLurv | Connecting to BZFlag.SourceForge.net:80... connected! |
| 14:53:02 | DrLurv | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 14:53:02 | DrLurv | Length: 25 [text/plain] |
| 14:53:04 | DrLurv | 0K -> [100%] |
| 14:53:06 | DrLurv | 22:30:08 (24.41 KB/s) - `list-server.txt' saved [25/25] |
| 14:53:10 | DrLurv | yep, that worked fine |
| 14:53:22 | Chestal | hmm, strange |
| 14:53:39 | DrLurv | yep, indeed... |
| 14:53:55 | Chestal | can you stop your bzfs and try with -publiclist again? bzfs -d -d -d -public foo ? |
| 14:53:58 | Chestal | hi tank |
| 14:54:03 | tankmann | hey |
| 14:54:18 | Chestal | oh, da gibts ja auch linux-binaries |
| 14:54:19 | DrLurv | ok i will do chestal.. maybe shutting down my http server has helped things ... |
| 14:54:20 | Chestal | DrLurv: oops |
| 14:54:29 | DrLurv | thats ok |
| 14:57:43 | Chestal | tankmann: wo isn der lupi schon wieder? |
| 14:58:23 | DrLurv | umm, well i just tried with and without the -publiclist, and it definitely needs the publiclist |
| 14:58:38 | DrLurv | im just gonna check in my client whether i can see it when i do aq find server |
| 14:59:33 | Chestal | drlurv: very strange that wget can access the URL without a proxy, but bzfs cannot |
| 15:00:14 | DrLurv | shit, sending that bzfs thing failed again... mind you im using XChat and its probly an old version and ive had lots of problems transferring files via dcc before, sorryt dinah |
| 15:00:16 | dinah | is feeling a mite tipsy ;-} |
| 15:00:27 | tankmann | chestal: keine ahnung, das letzte mal als ich ihn gesehn hab war sein gesundheitszustand jedenfalls nicht so berauschend |
| 15:00:40 | tankmann | chestal: vielleicht hängts ja damit zusammen... |
| 15:01:02 | Chestal | tankmann: nicht berauschend vielleicht, aber sicher doch "berauscht" ;-) |
| 15:01:04 | dinah | DrLurv: go get x-chat 1.8.8 |
| 15:01:08 | Chestal | tankmann: wir brauchen ihn aber am SOnntag |
| 15:01:30 | DrLurv | and yeah, i i do agree it is strange chestal !! i dont know enuff about bzflag source code to know what im talking about i think there may be some small problems in there somewhere !! |
| 15:01:57 | DrLurv | ok i will do dinah ,amd hey go easy on that "coffee" :) |
| 15:02:04 | dinah | refusses to belive anything could be wrong with bzflag |
| 15:02:15 | tankmann | chestal: nein, damit hängts nicht zusammen :) |
| 15:02:26 | DrLurv | i know, im a bit depressed at the thought myself, its a great game really |
| 15:02:41 | DrLurv | but chestal has got it working basically :) |
| 15:02:47 | tankmann | chestal: wenn er ncith bald mal wieder auftaucht ruf ich ihn mal an |
| 15:02:54 | dinah | even better with chestals patch ;) |
| 15:03:23 | DrLurv | ooooh yuk, im using XChat 1.6.4 |
| 15:03:44 | DrLurv | ill have to fix that immediately |
| 15:03:53 | DrLurv | if its up to 1.8.8 already |
| 15:04:07 | DrLurv | whats with chestals patch? |
| 15:04:14 | Chestal | tankmann: ja, sag ihm, wir zaehlen auf ihn. Die Ehre des Teams haengt an ihm und so :-) |
| 15:04:34 | tankmann | chestal: jaja, ich mach das schon :) |
| 15:04:39 | DrLurv | DAMMIT !!!! that bzfs thing failed again..... |
| 15:04:51 | dinah | bloody accept it |
| 15:05:11 | DrLurv | can you try sending it ONE more time dinah... yeah i did accept it.. but i didnt know it was there so it was sitting there for a while |
| 15:05:27 | DrLurv | ah its done... |
| 15:05:29 | dinah | there ;) |
| 15:05:30 | DrLurv | whew ! |
| 15:05:59 | DrLurv | yeah it seems to have more success if i accept it really quickly and dont leave it queued for more than 5 seconds.. |
| 15:06:07 | DrLurv | thanks again ill just have a look at them |
| 15:06:21 | dinah | considers getting x-chat 1.9.1 |
| 15:07:25 | dinah | back in a bit ;) |
| 15:09:09 | akira_ | re |
| 15:09:21 | tankmann | sers akira |
| 15:09:27 | dinah | got x-chat 1.8.9 instead |
| 15:09:47 | DrLurv | hey those scripts look niec and handy dinah, someone should put them up on the bzflag site or distribute them wi8th bzflag |
| 15:10:07 | DrLurv | looks like just the sort of thing that is needed |
| 15:10:16 | dinah | DrLurv: they belong to noodleman not me, thank him |
| 15:10:32 | DrLurv | i would if he was here... |
| 15:11:05 | DrLurv | thanks noodleman wherever you are |
| 15:11:15 | DrLurv | brb |
| 15:12:40 | dinah | ritchie_: i feel violated |
| 15:13:06 | ritchie_ | whoops |
| 15:13:10 | ritchie_ | wrong person |
| 15:13:22 | ritchie_ | i want to see bzbot |
| 15:18:37 | DrLurv | ritchi i luvs yas, your talk ob bzbot just reminded me of another reason why i have just been trying to work out how to start and connect to my own bzflag server... now i can play against some bots !!! wicked :) |
| 15:19:05 | DrLurv | ive heard theyre pretty weak, but then thast kewl, i dont care at thsi stage |
| 15:25:36 | DrLurv | well, the bots work too woohoo, so now i can play them and see what the responsiveness of the game is like without 800-100ms lag, and i can try the groovy sounding maps ive downloaded :) |
| 15:25:44 | DrLurv | so thanks again ppl |
| 15:27:17 | DrLurv | chestal, hats off to you :) anyway, im fatigued its 1am here etc etc so by all. |
| 15:27:40 | DrLurv | seeya dinah sweetie :) sorry about my gross callsign :) |
| 15:27:48 | DrLurv | exit |
| 15:27:59 | DrLurv | doh! thats my shell command ... |
| 15:40:20 | MortimeR | hi |
| 15:40:25 | dinah | MortimeR: hello! |
| 15:40:53 | MortimeR | My modem died a week ago |
| 15:41:04 | dinah | :( |
| 15:41:22 | MortimeR | now I can play again :) |
| 15:41:57 | dinah | been away for a bit myself |
| 16:47:33 | akira_ | hallo FantaZee |
| 16:47:46 | FantaZee | hi akira. alles frisch ? |
| 16:49:18 | akira_ | jo |
| 16:50:01 | FantaZee | wenn wochenende, immer gut |
| 16:51:55 | Chestal | hi Fant |
| 16:52:01 | Chestal | hier ist Sommerfest an der Uni |
| 16:52:21 | FantaZee | oh oh. das kann ja heiter werden ;) |
| 16:52:31 | FantaZee | viel bier |
| 16:56:08 | FantaZee | muss los, bis sonntag |
| 17:08:40 | akira_ | Chestal: machs gut, ich geh heim |
| 17:08:51 | akira_ | ich probier den patch morgen aus |
| 17:47:09 | Widget | hihihi |
| 17:48:30 | dinah | isnt it a bit early in NZ? |
| 17:48:39 | Widget | It's 6 AM. |
| 17:49:09 | dinah | gets out the world clock appelt |
| 17:49:09 | Widget | Not too early. |
| 17:50:07 | Widget | No need. We're GMT+12. And you're GMT+1. So just add 11 hours to your time. |
| 17:51:16 | dinah | wishes people on 56k dial-up wouldnt use gtk-gnitella :( |
| 17:51:36 | Widget | Hm... well, aren't they well-marked as 56k? |
| 17:51:43 | dinah | whoops guntella that is |
| 17:52:02 | dinah | they keep tryin to download my mp3's |
| 17:52:05 | Widget | gnutella |
| 17:52:34 | Widget | Can't you get it to block people who don't have cable/DSL/Citylink? |
| 17:53:07 | dinah | i dont know. whats TTL mean? |
| 17:53:20 | Widget | TTL? |
| 17:53:24 | Widget | I donnae ken. |
| 17:53:43 | dinah | care to find out for me? |
| 17:54:03 | Widget | Not particularly. |
| 17:54:14 | Widget | knows what's coming next. |
| 18:19:21 | paulj | Time To Live |
| 18:19:45 | paulj | used, eg, in IP packets. Each router decrements the TTL field by some amount. |
| 18:19:58 | Widget | Oh, that. |
| 18:20:06 | Widget | Yes, it's the number of "levels" between you and that person., |
| 18:20:16 | Widget | How many computers are between you. |
| 18:20:17 | paulj | Also: Transistor-Transistor Logic |
| 18:20:21 | dinah | so is high better or low? |
| 18:20:23 | Widget | I don't think I'm explaining it very well. |
| 18:20:26 | Widget | Low is better. |
| 18:20:30 | Widget | I think. |
| 18:20:48 | paulj | you cant tell... |
| 18:20:56 | paulj | the TTL is set by the sender, |
| 18:21:06 | dinah | so will affect DL speed? |
| 18:21:17 | paulj | it might set it to 8 or 16 or 32 or 255. But typically 64. |
| 18:21:44 | paulj | the lower the field is when the packet arrives at you, the closer the packet is to being 'expired'. |
| 18:22:09 | paulj | Any packet whose TTL field is 0 must be discarded and not forwarded. |
| 18:22:14 | paulj | dinah: it affects nothing. |
| 18:22:26 | paulj | dinah: it exists to prevent infinite looping of packets. |
| 18:22:41 | paulj | dinah: it affects nothing..... bar: <the looping thing> |
| 18:22:49 | dinah | paulj: so i can leave Max TTL at 7 and My TTL at 5? |
| 18:23:02 | paulj | you can. |
| 18:23:19 | paulj | but you probably wont be able to reach significant parts of the internet. |
| 18:23:43 | dinah | umm this is gtk-gnutella config settings im talking about |
| 18:24:10 | paulj | ie, any host which is further than '7 hops' away, you will not reach. |
| 18:24:12 | paulj | ah gnutella? |
| 18:24:34 | paulj | that depends - is it talking about IP TTL, or is it some gnutella level TTL? |
| 18:24:50 | dinah | is trying to download this "ice-age" movie... |
| 18:25:15 | paulj | increasing the TTL will presumably allow you to 'see' more gnutella hosts. |
| 18:25:20 | paulj | but wont affect speed. |
| 18:25:36 | dinah | oh thanks for clearing that up luv |
| 18:26:00 | paulj | (well not directly - indirectly, there might be a gnutella server 9 hops away with huge bandwidth that is faster than a gnutella host 2 hops away on a little 64k line) |
| 18:26:47 | paulj | though that depends on whether the gnutella TTL is analogous to IP TTL. |
| 18:26:56 | paulj | (i presume so) |
| 18:27:21 | dinah | at this rate it'll be easier for me to buy the bloody film :-/ |
| 18:31:51 | Widget | Support the dozenal system! Down with decimals! |
| 18:33:12 | paulj | dinah: apparently the TTL for gnutella should be a max of 7. |
| 18:33:36 | paulj | dinah: it affects how far search queries on gnutella will propogate |
| 18:34:33 | dinah | paulj: what i really hate is it doesnt auto recognize my connection speed i have to set it |
| 18:35:33 | paulj | and how would you think it could recognise your connection speed? :) |
| 18:36:21 | dinah | um, it should cause i dont bloody know anythin bout bits and bytes an all |
| 18:40:10 | paulj | :) |
| 18:40:26 | paulj | it's too difficult to do reliably. |
| 18:40:34 | paulj | best way is for you to say. |
| 18:41:32 | paulj | though it'd be helpful if the app had presets like "dial-up modem", "ISDN", "DSL", etc.. |
| 18:42:20 | dinah | you tellin me ;) |
| 19:01:50 | Widget | Hm. |
| 19:03:40 | dinah | has another irish coffe 8-} |
| 19:04:06 | Widget | Hibernian coffee. |
| 19:04:44 | dinah | is running out of bush mills :-( |
| 19:07:39 | Widget | Brittania... Hibernia... Celtica..... Caledonia.... |
| 19:09:11 | Widget | Colaiste Àrd-ìre anns an Eilean Sgitheanach ann an Albainn, a' teagasg tron Ghàidhlig. |
| 19:09:17 | Widget | Oh, moin, tankmann. |
| 19:09:23 | tankmann | hi |
| 19:09:34 | Widget | dinah: Fiosrachadh mun Ghàidhlig ann an sia cànain. |
| 19:09:56 | teA_ | A nice evening ... :) |
| 19:09:58 | Widget | dinah: Dàin, amhrain, sgeulachdan, seannfhacail... |
| 19:10:09 | Widget | Guten abend, teA_. |
| 19:10:18 | teA_ | nabend Widget |
| 19:10:19 | dinah | leave me alone widget, im drunk 8-} |
| 19:10:25 | teA_ | lol dinah |
| 19:10:48 | Widget | Hm... no real change, though. |
| 19:12:09 | dinah | gives the world an irish coffee, drink up lads! |
| 19:13:19 | Widget | If the Euro comes to the UK, I demand separate coins for Scotland! |
| 19:14:06 | dinah | if you were a scot you could have an oppinion on the matter |
| 19:14:19 | Widget | I shall have an opinion either way. |
| 19:14:39 | Widget | dinah: Tha a' Phàrlamaid a-nis na fosadh airson an t-samhradh. Tòisichidh gnothach na Pàrlamaid a-rithist air an t-seachdain a' tòiseachadh 2 Sultain. |
| 19:14:44 | Widget | dinah: Pah! English! |
| 19:14:49 | dinah | launches the big barney nukes at NZ |
| 19:15:22 | Widget | By the time they get here with British technology, I'll already be in the UK. |
| 19:15:25 | dinah | Widget: bun run and hide down the apples and pears |
| 19:15:35 | Widget | And kiwis. |
| 19:16:07 | Widget | dinah: Pop quiz: Where does the civil service work from? |
| 19:16:08 | captain_proton | Widget: seen the size of the data dir? ;-) |
| 19:16:14 | dinah | decides to lay of the cockney slag while drunk |
| 19:16:47 | Widget | captain_proton: 2328 MB!?!? |
| 19:16:51 | Widget | captain_proton: Er.... KB? |
| 19:17:15 | captain_proton | Widget: try again |
| 19:17:15 | Widget | Wait... |
| 19:17:20 | Widget | Erm... |
| 19:17:23 | Widget | How do I find the size? |
| 19:17:27 | captain_proton | du -sh |
| 19:17:43 | dinah | just spilled the a glass of bush mills on her skirt... :-( arrrrgh! |
| 19:17:45 | Widget | 2.3M |
| 19:17:48 | Widget | I was right. |
| 19:18:08 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara data]$ du -sh |
| 19:18:08 | captain_proton | 964k. |
| 19:18:14 | captain_proton | grins |
| 19:18:17 | Widget | There are 129 MSPs in total, comprising 73 Constituency MSPs and 56 Regional MSPs in the Scottish parliament. |
| 19:18:33 | Widget | The first elections to the Scottish Parliament took place on 6 May 1999 and meetings of the Parliament began with the first sitting on 12 May 1999. At this sitting, the MSPs were able to take the oath of allegiance or make a solemn affirmation and to elect the Presiding Officer and two Deputy Presiding Officers. The Parliament was officially opened by the Queen on 1 July 1999 and took up its full powers on this date. |
| 19:19:06 | captain_proton | woohoo @ MAC |
| 19:19:10 | dinah | marvels at widget cut-n-paste abilities |
| 19:19:14 | Widget | I want to visit a debate in the Scottish Parliament. |
| 19:19:23 | Widget | dinah: I did not cut-n-paste! |
| 19:19:35 | Widget | dinah: I copy-n-pasted. |
| 19:20:49 | Widget | Wow.... the Scottish Parliament's new building in Holyrood is beautiful. |
| 19:21:12 | Widget | dinah: Much better than that shabby place the UK Parliament sits.... Winchester. |
| 19:22:25 | dinah | thought this was #bzflag... |
| 19:22:53 | Widget | But the Bundestag building looks best of all. |
| 19:23:04 | captain_proton | thought so too |
| 19:23:18 | Widget | All glass... and spirally, |
| 19:23:48 | dinah | goes to a channel all her own |
| 19:24:39 | Widget | Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit..... |
| 19:24:48 | Widget | Für das deutsche Vaterland. |
| 19:26:11 | dinah | play track 6 from ween's the mollusk ;-) |
| 19:26:52 | Widget | dinah: Scotland will throw of its centuries of English tyranny! |
| 19:27:09 | dinah | this is #bzflag |
| 19:28:03 | dinah | creates #bzchat for non-bzflag conversations... |
| 19:29:01 | Widget | Give up your chanop status. |
| 19:29:04 | Widget | And I shall chat there. |
| 19:30:22 | Widget | Should auld acquaintance be forgot, and never brought to mind? |
| 19:30:22 | Widget | Should auld acquaintance be forgot, and auld lang syne? |
| 19:30:50 | Widget | We twa hae run aboot the braes, and pu'd the gowans fine; |
| 19:30:50 | Widget | But we've wander'd mony a weary foot sin' auld lang syne. |
| 19:31:30 | dinah | considers setting up the channel for bz chat thats not bz related all official like |
| 19:31:51 | Widget | O' Flower of Scotland when will we see your like again... |
| 19:32:02 | Widget | That fought and died for your wee bit hill and glen... |
| 19:32:13 | Widget | And stood against him, proud Edward's army... |
| 19:32:18 | Widget | And sent him homeward tae think again. |
| 19:33:14 | dinah | removes her whisky soaked skirt :-/ ech |
| 19:33:56 | Widget | Scots, wha ha'e wi' Wallace bled... |
| 19:34:02 | Widget | Scots, wham Bruce has often led, |
| 19:34:10 | Widget | Welcome to your gory bed, |
| 19:34:16 | Widget | Or to victorie!!! |
| 19:34:30 | dinah | robert the bruce was a hipocrite |
| 19:35:20 | Widget | I shall fly the cross of St. Andrew above my house. |
| 19:35:40 | Widget | Down with the Cross of St. George!! |
| 19:35:44 | Widget | Down with English tyranny! |
| 19:36:05 | dinah | down with un-bzflag talk |
| 19:36:22 | captain_proton | hear hear |
| 19:36:40 | Widget | Down with English. And Americans. |
| 19:37:23 | dinah | Widegt: this is a channel for bzflag not your personal chat service |
| 19:37:43 | Widget | The first Scottish king was Malcolm (954-1034). He reigned from 1005 to 1034. |
| 19:37:46 | Widget | Great king he was. |
| 19:37:53 | Widget | Annexed Strathclyde in 1016. |
| 19:38:55 | Widget | dinah: Elizabeth calling herself Elizabeth _the Second_ is an example of English tyrrany. |
| 19:39:05 | Widget | dinah: Elizabeth the First was queen of England only. |
| 19:39:15 | captain_proton | 'lo BZFlag |
| 19:39:30 | Widget | dinah: So after the Act of Union in James VI's time, the numbers should have been reset. That's why James VI of Scotland = James I of the UK. |
| 19:39:57 | dinah | puts widget on ignore till he learns this is the bzflag channel |
| 19:40:00 | Widget | dinah: But by taking the name Elizabeth II, she shows the UK to be a continuation of the English throne, i.e. an imperial despotism over the British isles! |
| 19:41:43 | BZFlag | Widget: get a life (or at least another channel) |
| 19:42:34 | captain_proton | haha |
| 19:43:19 | eddienull | *yawn* |
| 19:43:52 | dinah | BZFlag: thats the smartest thing iv heard all day |
| 19:46:21 | BZFlag | eddienull: what's your take on the vorbis support in 1.8? easy or hard on OSX? |
| 19:47:09 | eddienull | shouldn't be a problem. I already use my custom vorbis player on X everyday....but please replce the XMLTree file =) |
| 19:47:33 | BZFlag | eddienull: nod |
| 19:48:46 | eddienull | what's the deal on the xml stuff anyway? Do we want custom code (aka XMLTree) or is there some other oss package for xml parsing we could use? |
| 19:49:56 | captain_proton | using another oss package would fix some problems but XMLTree supports a couple custom extensions that we use |
| 19:50:11 | eddienull | what extensions? |
| 19:50:29 | captain_proton | <!INCLUDE "file" /> |
| 19:50:34 | captain_proton | and multiple top-level tags |
| 19:51:59 | eddienull | how mwny extensions we talking about here? Would it be to much work to hack them into a different oss project? ...or should I stop whining and just try and debug my issues with the current XMLTree |
| 19:52:28 | captain_proton | it would be a LOT of work to rip out XMLTree as it is |
| 19:52:36 | captain_proton | but it does need to be fixed (for gcc 3.x |
| 19:53:01 | Chestal | that cannot be too hard? |
| 19:53:06 | eddienull | nod. that's what I use, gcc 3.1 |
| 19:54:03 | captain_proton | Chestal: it shouldn't be - there's some issue with inheriting from std::runtime_error |
| 19:54:39 | teA_ | hello |
| 20:05:26 | Widget | Guten abend, jeder. |
| 20:05:36 | captain_proton | eddienull: if you want to provide me with the error message, i can try to research it a little further |
| 20:12:46 | Chestal | I have 3.1 at home, maybe I can take a look at it during the weekend |
| 20:14:35 | captain_proton | if i remember right it doesn't look too hard to fix, just something i haven't dealt with before |
| 20:20:23 | captain_proton | WOOHOO |
| 20:25:06 | dinah | is having problems updating her gcc packages :( |
| 20:29:01 | dinah | bah, none's awake on #gcc |
| 20:29:24 | captain_proton | decides to fix up PWR to placate nuum |
| 20:31:03 | dinah | considers ignoring the problems, and possibly making her system unstable |
| 20:31:21 | Widget | dinah: Like owner, like computer. |
| 20:55:28 | BZFrank | hi |
| 20:58:10 | captain_proton | 'lo frank |
| 20:58:23 | captain_proton | p2501 is late |
| 20:58:28 | captain_proton | stomps his foot |
| 20:58:40 | BZFrank | I know, but some things needed attention |
| 20:59:20 | BZFrank | I still had a bad crasher in the world partition code that could have caused corruption, it is fixed now |
| 20:59:47 | BZFrank | and hey: 481 Frames/sec on my new box! ;) |
| 20:59:57 | captain_proton | what card/resolution? |
| 21:00:16 | BZFrank | 32 Bit 1024x768 |
| 21:00:31 | BZFrank | Geforce4 4400, this is a beast! |
| 21:01:02 | Widget | cries in envy |
| 21:01:12 | BZFrank | also bzflag gains somewhat, but it seems bzflag is CPU limited over 270 frames/sec |
| 21:01:22 | BZFrank | vysanc is off naturally for these tests |
| 21:01:28 | BZFrank | vsync ;) |
| 21:01:53 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:02:00 | captain_proton | i wonder what causes the CPU limit |
| 21:02:23 | captain_proton | could be glx blitting |
| 21:02:34 | BZFrank | Don't know, but I can't get it to run over approx. 280 f/sec here |
| 21:02:48 | captain_proton | i should finish up vogon's sdl port |
| 21:02:53 | BZFrank | p2501 does not bit ;) |
| 21:03:05 | BZFrank | it's a trick, but it works well |
| 21:03:24 | captain_proton | bzflag doesn't blit either |
| 21:03:24 | BZFrank | blit that is the console |
| 21:03:31 | captain_proton | but glx does, and SDL doesn't |
| 21:03:39 | BZFrank | but it repaints the console all the time |
| 21:04:16 | fontenot | personally I cant tell any difference above 420fps |
| 21:04:40 | BZFrank | it is not the number it is a measure on how fast the system can run on lower machines |
| 21:05:01 | fontenot | i knw I was just kidding |
| 21:05:04 | BZFrank | anything above 100 f/sec is useless ;) |
| 21:05:35 | fontenot | yeah I will see what it does on the new machine I am building |
| 21:05:44 | fontenot | it wont be as high as your rates tho |
| 21:05:48 | captain_proton | technically anything above your refresh rate is useless ;) |
| 21:06:12 | fontenot | i would be happy to get consistent 80fps (my refresh) |
| 21:06:20 | BZFrank | what new machine |
| 21:06:29 | Widget | I would be happy to get consistent 40 fps. =P |
| 21:06:48 | captain_proton | Widget: live dangerously. get an x86 |
| 21:06:53 | fontenot | athlon xp 1800+ with e geforce4 4200 |
| 21:07:00 | BZFrank | this is a P4 1.7 with 512 MByte Rambus and a GeForce4 4400 |
| 21:07:09 | Widget | captain_proton: Any new computer would be better than this one. |
| 21:07:12 | captain_proton | BZFrank: argg, beat me on video card and ram |
| 21:07:36 | captain_proton | p4 1.7, 256, gf3 plain |
| 21:07:43 | Widget | captain_proton: I will save up, and one day get that SGI Fuel. |
| 21:07:46 | BZFrank | hehe ;) |
| 21:07:48 | fontenot | yeah i have a 512MB Corsair DDR stick in there |
| 21:08:03 | BZFrank | a fuel is slow ;) |
| 21:08:24 | BZFrank | any GeFroce beats the crap out of SGI for game stuff |
| 21:08:29 | BZFrank | unfurtunately |
| 21:08:48 | BZFrank | get a SGI Fuel if you need 3D Textures etc. |
| 21:08:48 | captain_proton | BZFrank: but the case is a beauty ;) |
| 21:08:57 | BZFrank | well... ;) |
| 21:09:20 | captain_proton | wishes he could migrate his box into a fuel case |
| 21:09:33 | Widget | Why not? |
| 21:09:39 | BZFrank | ask SGI to have them ship of Fuel case to you *eg* |
| 21:10:18 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:10:29 | captain_proton | wonders how much it would cost |
| 21:10:34 | captain_proton | first i want a sun type 6 usb keyboard |
| 21:10:48 | captain_proton | with all the unix keys =D |
| 21:11:04 | Widget | What unix keys? |
| 21:11:06 | Widget | Meta? |
| 21:11:25 | fontenot | anyone here installed the OEM version of windows XP ? |
| 21:12:23 | BZFrank | the one that came with your system preinstalled? in my laptop yes... |
| 21:12:42 | fontenot | the one that I bought at Fry's with hardware |
| 21:12:52 | fontenot | one cdrom,, no instructions |
| 21:12:59 | captain_proton | Widget: lemme find a picture |
| 21:13:33 | fontenot | im wondering if I need to do anything to the redhat drive I want to install over |
| 21:13:48 | fontenot | whether xp will let me repartition |
| 21:14:42 | BZFrank | have not installed it yet (again) from the CD, sorry |
| 21:15:45 | captain_proton | Widget: http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/bldg13/3201270commandkeys.JPG?allow_mailing_list=1&owner_id=723330&allow_track_link=1&track=011fe7fc46-& |
| 21:15:47 | BZFrank | I am happy that is runs, any new installation and I need to ask Wolfram for Mathematica keys again (their software is very paranoid when something changes) |
| 21:17:04 | fontenot | ugh |
| 21:17:18 | fontenot | xp is supposed to get upset if you change too much hardware too |
| 21:17:58 | BZFrank | yes, you can change three things - CPU, harddrive, Gfx card - any change then needs reactivation |
| 21:18:08 | Widget | captain_proton: Cut/Paste works with the X keyboard? |
| 21:18:31 | captain_proton | Widget: if you bind the keys right |
| 21:18:39 | Widget | Ah. |
| 21:18:46 | captain_proton | Widget: it works out of the box on solaris, but needs some configging on linux |
| 21:19:57 | Widget | Oh, yes... speaking of keymaps... |
| 21:20:11 | Widget | Are the keymaps for loadkeys and xmodmap the same? |
| 21:20:15 | captain_proton | no |
| 21:20:18 | Widget | Damn. |
| 21:20:33 | Widget | So, somewhere I must find a Spanish keymap for both. |
| 21:20:42 | captain_proton | i'm sure someone has written a conversion utility though |
| 21:22:53 | Widget | Will changing the keymap with loadkeys affect how the keys are interpreted in X? |
| 21:23:13 | Widget | Or only in the Console? |
| 21:24:15 | captain_proton | i -think- it should be everywhere |
| 21:24:20 | captain_proton | but X may do its own thing |
| 21:24:30 | dinah | wishes there was a way to prevent wankers from capturing in a 4 vs 2 game |
| 21:25:35 | captain_proton | just mock them |
| 21:26:08 | dinah | then he just lied and claimed it was 4 vs 4! |
| 21:26:34 | dinah | ritchie_: you are an ass |
| 21:27:00 | dinah | hopes he can read that |
| 21:27:20 | captain_proton | gots to go |
| 21:27:28 | captain_proton | is off to see cirque du soleil |
| 21:27:33 | BZFrank | cu |
| 21:27:54 | Widget | Lucky you. |
| 21:27:57 | Widget | I saw them once. |
| 21:28:31 | Widget | Hey, jpablo!!! |
| 21:28:31 | jpablo | hey dudes. |
| 21:28:35 | Widget | The one person I was looking for! |
| 21:28:49 | Widget | I have a question. |
| 21:29:03 | jpablo | hey [Motif]Widget :-P |
| 21:29:06 | jpablo | what ? |
| 21:29:50 | Widget | First of all, I hear that loadkeys only changes the keymap on console. I got a Spanish keyboard, so I need Spanish keymaps for loadkeys and xmodmap from somewhere. |
| 21:29:56 | Widget | Or a conversion utility, and just one. |
| 21:30:28 | jpablo | loadkeys es |
| 21:30:34 | Widget | That doesn't work for me. |
| 21:30:40 | Widget | cannot open file es |
| 21:30:41 | jpablo | setxkbmap es |
| 21:30:44 | jpablo | humm. |
| 21:30:52 | jpablo | wait. |
| 21:31:20 | Widget | Oooooh. setxkbmap es worked!!! |
| 21:32:12 | Widget | So now all I need is a loadkeys keymap for Spanish. Do you have one? |
| 21:32:36 | Widget | I suppose, since you use Debian, that it would be your /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 21:33:49 | Widget | So, I shall add setxkbmap es to my .xsession. |
| 21:35:01 | jpablo | well, that would to the trick on X. |
| 21:35:01 | jpablo | Widget: where's the @ in your keyboard ? |
| 21:36:35 | Widget | Alt+2, I think. |
| 21:37:14 | Widget | Yah. |
| 21:37:16 | Widget | @l |
| 21:37:20 | Widget | @. |
| 21:38:05 | Widget | 1234567890 Shift: !"·$%&/()= Alt: |@#~½¬{[]} |
| 21:40:11 | Widget | ¡Interesting! ¿Interesting_ |
| 21:40:32 | Widget | ¡Interesting! ¿Interesting? |
| 21:40:56 | dinah | ¿is it? |
| 21:41:14 | Widget | ¡Yes, it is! |
| 21:41:30 | Widget | Mañana. |
| 21:41:44 | Widget | Noël. |
| 21:41:55 | dinah | ¡señor! |
| 21:42:38 | Widget | ºª\ |
| 21:43:13 | dinah | were all very impressed by the ascii key chart |
| 21:43:27 | Widget | No, no, I recently acquired a Spanish keyboard. |
| 21:43:37 | Widget | That's why I am trying to find a loadkeys keymap for it. |
| 21:43:41 | Widget | So that it works in the console. |
| 21:43:53 | Widget | jpablo: Is this the same sort of keyboard you have? Do you have the loadkeys map? |
| 21:44:14 | dinah | thinks i miss #bzflag |
| 21:44:42 | Widget | Je vais utilisé ce clavier pour taper le français. :) |
| 21:45:40 | dinah | heres what i think of the french, listen close ;*P |
| 21:45:56 | Widget | K_IS_FOR_KOMPRESSOR.mp3? |
| 21:46:08 | dinah | trust me |
| 21:46:14 | Widget | I'll play it.... at _very_ low volume. |
| 21:46:23 | Widget | Why isn't it sending? |
| 21:46:24 | dinah | good idea |
| 21:46:32 | dinah | its waiting |
| 21:46:36 | Widget | Perhaps your firewall prevents sending things. |
| 21:46:47 | dinah | nope |
| 21:46:47 | Widget | No, it's working. |
| 21:47:26 | Widget | The French -- longtime tribal enemy of the English. |
| 21:47:31 | Widget | jpablo: Are you here? |
| 21:47:34 | dinah | wonders how to turn mp3's into .ogg's |
| 21:47:47 | Widget | There are several utilities. Do you use Debian? |
| 21:47:56 | dinah | redhat 7.3 |
| 21:47:59 | jpablo_ | pfft |
| 21:48:12 | Widget | hihihi, jpablo. |
| 21:48:15 | Widget | hihihi, jpablo_. |
| 21:48:24 | Widget | jpablo_: My @ is at Alt+2. |
| 21:48:37 | jpablo_ | yeah. |
| 21:48:43 | jpablo_ | you have a spanish keyboard. |
| 21:48:46 | Widget | Yah |
| 21:48:52 | jpablo_ | mine is latinoamerica. |
| 21:48:57 | Widget | Aw... |
| 21:49:01 | jpablo_ | let me send you the keymap. |
| 21:49:08 | Widget | For the LatinoAmerican one? |
| 21:49:17 | jpablo_ | no, the spanish one. |
| 21:49:21 | jpablo_ | i have that one too. |
| 21:49:39 | Widget | jpablo_: Wow, cool! Thanks! |
| 21:49:55 | jpablo_ | accept it. |
| 21:50:52 | jpablo_ | humm. |
| 21:51:36 | Widget | jpablo_: In Debian, I can just gzip it and save it as /etc/console-tools/boottime.kmap.gz and it will load it at startup? |
| 21:52:01 | jpablo_ | Widget: you have debian ? |
| 21:52:06 | Widget | jpablo_: Yes. |
| 21:52:47 | jpablo_ | apt-get install console-data |
| 21:53:10 | jpablo_ | if it's already installed: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:53:10 | Widget | I had that installed. But yesterday, I installed kbd, so that I could use the loadkeys utility. |
| 21:53:14 | Widget | And it uninstalled console-data. |
| 21:53:20 | jpablo_ | humm. |
| 21:53:27 | jpablo_ | that's not good. |
| 21:53:54 | Widget | Let me try installing it again. |
| 21:53:56 | Widget | ooh, it works. |
| 21:54:00 | Widget | And it's not conflicting. |
| 21:54:02 | Widget | Woohoo. |
| 21:54:12 | jpablo_ | using sid ? |
| 21:54:13 | Widget | Does console-data provide the Spanish keymaps? |
| 21:54:18 | Widget | Yes. |
| 21:54:20 | Widget | Using sid. |
| 21:54:21 | jpablo_ | yeah. |
| 21:54:37 | jpablo_ | yeah, sometimes things work in sid sometimes not. |
| 21:55:13 | Widget | What will console-data provide? |
| 21:55:17 | Widget | keymaps for loadmap? |
| 21:55:27 | Widget | How do I set a keymap as the default? |
| 21:55:34 | jpablo_ | console data will give you: |
| 21:55:36 | jpablo_ | console-data: /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/es.kmap.gz |
| 21:55:47 | jpablo_ | to configure it as the default do a dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:55:51 | Widget | Hm.... can I get kbd-data and console-tools-data instead? |
| 21:56:09 | jpablo_ | and it will ask you what keymap do you want. |
| 21:56:18 | Widget | Can I get rid of kbd and console-tools? |
| 21:56:25 | jpablo_ | dunno. |
| 21:56:35 | Widget | Recommends: console-tools (>= 1:0.2.3-16) | kbd (>= 0.99-12) |
| 21:56:35 | Widget | Conflicts: kbd (<= 0.96a-1), kbd-data, console-tools-data |
| 21:56:38 | Widget | For console-data. |
| 21:57:12 | jpablo_ | i don't have kbd on my system. |
| 21:57:21 | jpablo_ | [jpablo@amy qwerty]$ dpkg --get-selections|grep console |
| 21:57:21 | jpablo_ | console-commoninstall |
| 21:57:21 | jpablo_ | console-datainstall |
| 21:57:21 | jpablo_ | console-toolsinstall |
| 21:57:21 | jpablo_ | console-tools-libsinstall |
| 21:57:21 | jpablo_ | [jpablo@amy qwerty]$ dpkg --get-selections|grep kbd |
| 21:57:22 | jpablo_ | libxkbd0install |
| 21:57:25 | jpablo_ | xkbdinstall |
| 21:58:27 | Widget | OK, I got rid of console-tools. |
| 21:58:38 | Widget | No need to have extraneous packages. |
| 21:58:52 | freelancer | hi captain |
| 21:59:39 | Widget | jpablo_: It works! Thanks! |
| 21:59:42 | dinah | cap is away at the moment |
| 21:59:48 | freelancer | hi tank you there |
| 22:00:13 | freelancer | hi dinah you know when he will be back |
| 22:07:31 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 22:07:38 | iLLf8d | how goes it |
| 22:08:04 | dinah | <captain_proton> gots to go |
| 22:08:04 | dinah | * captain_proton is off to see cirque du soleil |
| 22:08:08 | iLLf8d | no shit? |
| 22:08:14 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 22:08:14 | Doug_eating | whats that? |
| 22:08:35 | iLLf8d | thats alot of guys in chick in leotards all twisted and shit doing cool stunts |
| 22:08:40 | iLLf8d | s/in/and |
| 22:08:45 | Doug_eating | hmm |
| 22:08:56 | iLLf8d | its kinda like an acrobatic lightshow |
| 22:08:59 | iLLf8d | hard to explain |
| 22:09:02 | Doug_eating | hmm |
| 22:09:04 | Doug_eating | wierd |
| 22:09:05 | iLLf8d | some of what they do is really cool |
| 22:09:09 | Doug_eating | heh |
| 22:09:11 | iLLf8d | and some of the chicks are really hot too |
| 22:09:12 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 22:09:17 | Doug_eating | lol |
| 22:09:18 | Doug_eating | hmm |
| 22:09:27 | Doug_eating | my 19 inch monitor wont work.... |
| 22:09:28 | Doug_eating | :( |
| 22:09:37 | iLLf8d | oh that blows |
| 22:09:39 | Doug_eating | it clicks on, the it turns off |
| 22:09:51 | Doug_eating | hmmm |
| 22:10:02 | dinah | we need two bz chaneels one thats actualy for bzflag, one thats for shites and giggles |
| 22:10:16 | Doug_eating | hmm |
| 22:10:24 | Doug_eating | ok, you start the second one |
| 22:10:47 | Doug_eating | hmm? |
| 22:10:48 | Doug_eating | wuerd |
| 22:10:51 | Doug_eating | wierd |
| 22:11:00 | dinah | Doug_eating: if i did no one would know about/join it |
| 22:11:11 | Doug_eating | ah |
| 22:12:40 | Doug_um_busy | bah |
| 22:12:48 | Doug_um_busy | and the monitors website is down... |
| 22:13:05 | Widget | Did the warranty expire an hour ago? |
| 22:13:07 | Doug_um_busy | I dont think they are makin monitors anymore |
| 22:13:14 | Doug_um_busy | Widget: no |
| 22:13:31 | Doug_um_busy | I have had this thing for about 2-? years |
| 22:13:35 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 22:13:45 | Doug_um_busy | its a supermatch |
| 22:13:52 | Doug_um_busy | ever hear of it? |
| 22:13:56 | Widget | Nope. |
| 22:14:03 | Doug_um_busy | Ah, thought so |
| 22:14:16 | Doug_um_busy | :D |
| 22:14:43 | Doug_um_busy | bah |
| 22:14:48 | Doug_um_busy | and the cable is for a mac.... |
| 22:14:50 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:14:54 | Doug_um_busy | it WAS on the mac |
| 22:15:00 | Doug_um_busy | now that it died |
| 22:15:05 | Doug_um_busy | my dad gives it to me |
| 22:15:11 | Doug_um_busy | and takes all the nice monitors |
| 22:15:21 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 22:15:36 | Doug_um_busy | its even got a BNC plugs on the back |
| 22:15:47 | Widget | Ah. |
| 22:15:47 | Doug_um_busy | a = the* |
| 22:15:49 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:15:53 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:15:57 | Doug_um_busy | sheesh |
| 22:16:14 | Doug_um_busy | macs dont even come with that type of connector anymore... |
| 22:17:21 | Doug_um_busy | hmmmm |
| 22:17:36 | Doug_um_busy | if i hit the power button just at the rigth time, it should turn on |
| 22:17:49 | Doug_um_busy | :-) |
| 22:18:04 | Doug_um_busy | its a broken flyback coil |
| 22:18:07 | Doug_um_busy | or somethin |
| 22:18:13 | Doug_um_busy | yup, yup |
| 22:18:35 | Doug_um_busy | smart |
| 22:18:39 | dinah | we need two bz |
| 22:18:45 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 22:18:51 | dinah | none of this is about bzflag... |
| 22:18:57 | Doug_um_busy | /join #dinahs_channel |
| 22:19:12 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 51 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: is off to see cirque du soleil [Fri Jul 5 22:27:28 2002] |
| 22:19:12 | Doug_um_busy | ibot seen captain_proton |
| 22:19:16 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 22:19:40 | dinah | ohh goodie i can have wonderfull chats wit meslef now |
| 22:19:48 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:19:58 | freelancer | any loops here |
| 22:21:37 | Doug_um_busy | loopdey loop |
| 22:24:06 | freelancer | froot loops |
| 22:24:16 | freelancer | fruit |
| 22:24:25 | Doug_um_busy | frooty loopy doopy |
| 22:24:26 | dinah | Doug_um_busy: never very nice are you |
| 22:24:35 | Doug_um_busy | dinah: why? |
| 22:25:27 | freelancer | Doug what is your callsign in ducati |
| 22:25:36 | Doug_um_busy | um |
| 22:25:38 | Doug_um_busy | breadhat |
| 22:25:40 | Doug_um_busy | and redhat |
| 22:25:41 | dinah | breadhat |
| 22:26:00 | Doug_um_busy | why? |
| 22:26:08 | freelancer | ooooo so your the guy i blowup all the time |
| 22:26:15 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:26:16 | Doug_um_busy | no |
| 22:26:25 | freelancer | ha ha ha |
| 22:26:29 | Doug_um_busy | you must be mistakin |
| 22:26:30 | freelancer | :) |
| 22:26:33 | Doug_um_busy | :D |
| 22:26:39 | freelancer | just kidding |
| 22:26:56 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:26:58 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 22:27:31 | freelancer | i'm off to ducati,if you want to get killed show up |
| 22:27:35 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:27:36 | Doug_um_busy | no |
| 22:27:44 | Doug_um_busy | I am fixing some hardware |
| 22:27:45 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:28:03 | freelancer | ok see you around,blow you up later |
| 22:28:08 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:28:09 | Doug_um_busy | cya |
| 22:28:46 | Doug_um_busy | bah |
| 22:29:03 | Doug_um_busy | I want dual 23 inch flat screen monitors |
| 22:29:21 | Doug_um_busy | (hey I can dream cant I?) |
| 22:29:39 | dinah | try a 24 inch flat plasma sony :-) |
| 22:29:46 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:29:48 | Doug_um_busy | nah |
| 22:29:55 | dinah | oh i like it fine |
| 22:30:07 | dinah | came in yesterday |
| 22:30:08 | Doug_um_busy | how about dual 42 inch plasma display |
| 22:30:13 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:30:15 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 22:30:17 | Doug_um_busy | cool |
| 22:30:31 | dinah | dint think they make those |
| 22:30:42 | Doug_um_busy | now I want a dual prossesor Macintosh G4 2 GHz system |
| 22:30:45 | Doug_um_busy | yea |
| 22:30:52 | BZFrank | saw a 102 inch plama TV - great for console games :) |
| 22:30:52 | Doug_um_busy | they do amke 42 Inch I think |
| 22:30:58 | Doug_um_busy | WOW!!! |
| 22:31:02 | dinah | wonders if he'd like to buy her powercube |
| 22:31:08 | Doug_um_busy | no |
| 22:31:14 | Doug_um_busy | useless little thing |
| 22:31:17 | dinah | rott |
| 22:31:20 | Doug_um_busy | BZFrank hey! |
| 22:31:26 | BZFrank | hey |
| 22:31:30 | Doug_um_busy | when is your game coming out? |
| 22:31:32 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:31:38 | BZFrank | soon :) |
| 22:31:41 | Doug_um_busy | dinah: cant upgrade it |
| 22:31:51 | BZFrank | still struggling with the details |
| 22:31:54 | Doug_um_busy | BZFrank: captain_proton said that too |
| 22:31:57 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 22:31:58 | BZFrank | list server not running, etc... |
| 22:32:10 | Doug_um_busy | ah |
| 22:32:11 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:32:19 | Doug_um_busy | rats |
| 22:32:23 | Doug_um_busy | but does it work? |
| 22:32:29 | Doug_um_busy | can we download it? |
| 22:32:32 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:32:39 | BZFrank | also it is quite hefty if you are your own artist, programmer and betatester in personal union |
| 22:32:48 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 22:32:52 | BZFrank | yes, it works ;) |
| 22:32:52 | Doug_um_busy | I am sure... |
| 22:32:54 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:33:02 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:33:15 | Doug_um_busy | I gave up on Gmax |
| 22:33:16 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 22:33:19 | Doug_um_busy | way too hard |
| 22:33:32 | Doug_um_busy | I will stick to illistrator and photshop |
| 22:33:36 | BZFrank | yep, it is a tough bastard but can do not anything |
| 22:33:37 | Doug_um_busy | whatever |
| 22:33:43 | BZFrank | not == most |
| 22:33:43 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 22:33:54 | Doug_um_busy | yea |
| 22:34:02 | Doug_um_busy | I cant work on such a little monitor though |
| 22:34:06 | BZFrank | but I prefer Milkshape myself - I can lowpoly model in a few minutes going |
| 22:34:06 | Doug_um_busy | 15 inch.... |
| 22:34:12 | Doug_um_busy | milkshape? |
| 22:34:15 | Doug_um_busy | free? |
| 22:34:27 | BZFrank | yep, milkshape 3d, a shareware render |
| 22:34:30 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:34:36 | Doug_um_busy | googleing.... |
| 22:34:43 | BZFrank | and designer, costs a few bucks but well worth the moeny |
| 22:34:51 | Doug_um_busy | ah |
| 22:34:53 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:35:14 | BZFrank | hint: p2501 models are Milkshape3d native format ;) |
| 22:35:21 | Doug_um_busy | ah |
| 22:35:23 | Doug_um_busy | I see |
| 22:35:25 | dinah | is a designer |
| 22:35:27 | Doug_um_busy | ;) |
| 22:35:30 | BZFrank | that maeks it very easy to use it for modelling |
| 22:35:45 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:35:47 | Doug_um_busy | yea, |
| 22:35:50 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:35:51 | BZFrank | I belive some freeware modellers also write milkshape format |
| 22:35:59 | Doug_um_busy | milkshape looks promissing |
| 22:36:26 | iLLf8d | hey all |
| 22:36:31 | Doug_um_busy | hey |
| 22:36:36 | Doug_um_busy | hey is for horses |
| 22:36:38 | Doug_um_busy | ;) |
| 22:36:39 | iLLf8d | what is it control panel and radar render that needs to be darkened? |
| 22:36:50 | Doug_um_busy | hmm? |
| 22:37:10 | BZFrank | try also http://aztec.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:37:17 | Doug_um_busy | ok |
| 22:37:29 | dinah | iLLf8d: what do you mean? |
| 22:37:31 | BZFrank | looks ok too and can write milkshape format as far as I see |
| 22:37:37 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:37:39 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:37:45 | Doug_um_busy | can you do this? |
| 22:37:45 | Doug_um_busy | http://www.swissquake.ch/chumbalum-soft/ms3d/ms3d_mp1.gif |
| 22:38:18 | Doug_um_busy | ;) |
| 22:38:30 | BZFrank | yes, but it makes not much sense in p2501 ;) |
| 22:38:46 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:38:48 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:38:58 | Doug_um_busy | little guys running around... |
| 22:39:02 | iLLf8d | I'm trying to darken my radar |
| 22:39:05 | Doug_um_busy | oh! |
| 22:39:06 | iLLf8d | and the textbox |
| 22:39:11 | Doug_um_busy | iLLf8d download CVS |
| 22:39:13 | iLLf8d | I'm in gentoo and I need to edit the source |
| 22:39:17 | Doug_um_busy | compile |
| 22:39:17 | dinah | iLLf8d: get chestals patch |
| 22:39:19 | iLLf8d | won't builed in 3.1 |
| 22:39:20 | Doug_um_busy | yea |
| 22:39:24 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 22:39:25 | Doug_um_busy | rats |
| 22:39:27 | iLLf8d | won't work in gcc3.1 |
| 22:39:31 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:39:34 | Doug_um_busy | I dunno |
| 22:39:52 | dinah | why wont it work? |
| 22:40:43 | Doug_um_busy | bummer |
| 22:40:57 | iLLf8d | I'm editing it now |
| 22:41:05 | iLLf8d | my compiler is too new for it |
| 22:41:14 | Doug_um_busy | wierd |
| 22:41:19 | iLLf8d | the newer compilers require stricter code |
| 22:41:19 | Doug_um_busy | my computer turned on |
| 22:41:23 | dinah | tries to rember what proton told her about transparency |
| 22:41:24 | Doug_um_busy | all byitself |
| 22:41:31 | iLLf8d | I've tweaked it before |
| 22:41:34 | Doug_um_busy | iLLf8d: ah |
| 22:41:37 | iLLf8d | I think I know which to change |
| 22:42:08 | dinah | background[3] = 0.5f; can go up to 1 |
| 22:42:26 | BZFrank | Doug: that you can do in Milkshape and p2501 - just made the screenshot: http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/Capture_MS3d.jpg |
| 22:42:42 | dinah | thats it i know it is |
| 22:42:43 | iLLf8d | OpenGLGState::resetState(); |
| 22:42:43 | iLLf8d | // nice blended messages background |
| 22:42:43 | iLLf8d | if(renderer.useBlending()) |
| 22:42:43 | iLLf8d | glEnable(GL_BLEND); |
| 22:42:43 | iLLf8d | glColor4f(0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0, 0.9f ); |
| 22:42:47 | iLLf8d | I think its the last line here |
| 22:42:50 | Doug_um_busy | wow |
| 22:42:54 | Doug_um_busy | very cool |
| 22:43:00 | iLLf8d | dinah for which one? |
| 22:43:05 | iLLf8d | the console or the radar? |
| 22:43:16 | Doug_um_busy | now all I need is the game.... |
| 22:43:20 | dinah | umm bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx |
| 22:43:20 | Doug_um_busy | ;) |
| 22:43:43 | BZFrank | :) coming |
| 22:43:49 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 22:43:50 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:43:57 | BZFrank | but no sense in releasing unfinished stuff |
| 22:44:00 | dinah | the console is HUDRenderer.cxx |
| 22:44:24 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 22:44:26 | Doug_um_busy | yea |
| 22:44:29 | dinah | i think |
| 22:45:28 | BZFrank | also right now all the files for the world (models, textures, sounds) and in one directory, I am just putting this into a ZIP files, so a world designer can just put everythnig in one file (for changed worlds) |
| 22:45:39 | iLLf8d | we'll see if it works |
| 22:45:44 | Doug_um_busy | oh cool |
| 22:45:46 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:45:46 | iLLf8d | huh? |
| 22:46:01 | iLLf8d | dinah last time I moded mine it was in 2 different places |
| 22:46:09 | iLLf8d | that was prepatch tho |
| 22:46:30 | Doug_um_busy | um, Atomic Bomb? |
| 22:46:36 | Doug_um_busy | how does it work? |
| 22:46:39 | BZFrank | yep ;) |
| 22:46:42 | Doug_um_busy | you shoot it? |
| 22:46:44 | dinah | has no idea what moded means |
| 22:46:50 | iLLf8d | BZFrank: your code available now? |
| 22:46:50 | Doug_um_busy | or does it blow up there |
| 22:46:51 | Doug_um_busy | ? |
| 22:46:58 | jpablo_ | pfft, bzflag is unplayeable over a modem. |
| 22:47:03 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:47:15 | iLLf8d | no |
| 22:47:21 | iLLf8d | jpablo_: I played over a modem for years |
| 22:47:24 | iLLf8d | 33.6 even |
| 22:47:28 | jpablo_ | humm. |
| 22:47:29 | BZFrank | you have one shot, it goes right straight up (or if you are moving keeps moving) on a ballistic trail, once it touches ground or anything else it goes boom |
| 22:47:33 | jpablo_ | it doesn't work pretty well here. |
| 22:47:37 | Doug_um_busy | ouch |
| 22:47:49 | Doug_um_busy | not just any boom, a very BIG boom |
| 22:47:53 | BZFrank | I modelled even the mushroom cloud ;) |
| 22:47:54 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:47:58 | BZFrank | BOOM |
| 22:47:58 | Doug_um_busy | cool!!!!!! |
| 22:48:02 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:48:08 | iLLf8d | BZFrank: you have code available for download? |
| 22:48:08 | Doug_um_busy | I gotta see that |
| 22:48:15 | BZFrank | blows away anything in a virtual 400 meter radius |
| 22:48:20 | Doug_um_busy | do you have a screen shot? |
| 22:48:31 | BZFrank | you shall see ;) |
| 22:48:34 | Doug_um_busy | ah |
| 22:48:35 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:48:38 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:48:39 | iLLf8d | I know you menitoned you'd have it soon |
| 22:48:44 | Doug_um_busy | I could compile it here... |
| 22:48:45 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:49:00 | BZFrank | I also took the original atomic explosion sound from some old Los Alamos Movie and use this as background ;) |
| 22:49:08 | iLLf8d | shit |
| 22:49:11 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:49:11 | iLLf8d | didn't work rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:49:12 | BZFrank | so it kinda authenic |
| 22:49:16 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:49:31 | BZFrank | Lll: not yet, wait a bit longer |
| 22:49:33 | Doug_um_busy | that should very cool (or hot) |
| 22:50:25 | BZFrank | I hope to have everything in place soon, but I need to work on the list server and the virtual file system stuff still. Also test the network some more |
| 22:50:31 | dinah | iLLf8d: i know thats was the right stuff to change, edit and, make |
| 22:50:34 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:50:44 | Doug_um_busy | I could, um, test it with ya |
| 22:50:45 | Doug_um_busy | ;) |
| 22:50:52 | Doug_um_busy | like over the net type testing |
| 22:50:53 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:50:54 | BZFrank | yeah ;) |
| 22:51:00 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 22:52:06 | BZFrank | Need to setup a server on wizards.de first, but to make so the code must be checked again for buffer overflows and obvious holes. I don't like to put the production machine in danger |
| 22:52:26 | Doug_um_busy | ah |
| 22:52:28 | BZFrank | and believe neither want anyone else running this baby |
| 22:52:37 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:52:39 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:52:44 | Doug_um_busy | I dont have a geforce card |
| 22:52:48 | Doug_um_busy | just a intel 810 |
| 22:52:49 | Doug_um_busy | :( |
| 22:52:53 | BZFrank | bad bad bad |
| 22:53:03 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:53:05 | BZFrank | get a real computer ;) |
| 22:53:09 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:53:11 | Doug_um_busy | like a mac |
| 22:53:14 | Doug_um_busy | hey!! |
| 22:53:18 | Doug_um_busy | make it for the mac.... |
| 22:53:22 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:53:25 | BZFrank | well, it should work on MacOS X, need to test it though |
| 22:53:26 | Doug_um_busy | Mac OS X |
| 22:53:29 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 22:53:53 | BZFrank | it should even work on a Playstation 2, SDL was ported to this box ;) |
| 22:54:02 | BZFrank | but the keyboard is missing ;) |
| 22:54:06 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:54:09 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:54:13 | Doug_um_busy | so?> |
| 22:54:19 | Doug_um_busy | the pad should be enuf |
| 22:54:21 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:54:29 | BZFrank | it is much fun typing messages |
| 22:54:38 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 22:54:40 | Doug_um_busy | yea |
| 22:54:49 | Doug_um_busy | fergot about that part |
| 22:54:49 | BZFrank | one of the things bzflag makes so attractive |
| 22:54:51 | Doug_um_busy | yea |
| 22:54:53 | Doug_um_busy | um |
| 22:54:55 | iLLf8d | hey can someone tell me how to make a patch? |
| 22:54:57 | Doug_um_busy | put VoIP? |
| 22:55:00 | iLLf8d | diff something.... |
| 22:55:04 | Doug_um_busy | um |
| 22:55:07 | Doug_um_busy | I dunno |
| 22:56:15 | BZFrank | ill: diff -urN olddir/ newdir/ > patch.diff |
| 22:57:03 | BZFrank | for a complete patch diff between two project directories |
| 22:58:07 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 22:58:22 | iLLf8d | how about between 2 files? sub one olddir for oldfile? |
| 22:58:23 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 22:58:24 | iLLf8d | etc... |
| 22:58:26 | Doug_um_busy | chestal? |
| 22:58:28 | Doug_um_busy | you here? |
| 22:58:37 | BZFrank | man diff ;) |
| 22:58:39 | iLLf8d | I need to update a package in my gentoo ebuild so that I can make a new one |
| 22:58:59 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 22:59:14 | iLLf8d | gotta get this done before my match too |
| 22:59:33 | iLLf8d | How come noone said there was bzleauge mail? |
| 22:59:40 | iLLf8d | I didnt' know it till today =P |
| 22:59:43 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 22:59:52 | Doug_um_busy | dont get around much do you? |
| 22:59:53 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 22:59:58 | iLLf8d | I'm always playing |
| 23:00:06 | iLLf8d | I don't got no time for no stinkin bzmail |
| 23:00:07 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 23:00:10 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 23:00:32 | iLLf8d | I go on and there were a few challeneges in there |
| 23:00:33 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 23:00:37 | iLLf8d | from like april |
| 23:00:38 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 23:00:40 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 23:00:42 | dinah | temporarily lost power :( |
| 23:00:52 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 23:01:13 | dinah | bollixed the bloody power strip i did |
| 23:01:22 | Doug_um_busy | hehe |
| 23:03:40 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 23:03:51 | Doug_um_busy | my monitor is still not turning on.... |
| 23:03:56 | Doug_um_busy | bah |
| 23:04:03 | Doug_um_busy | bah 23 times at it |
| 23:04:53 | Doug_um_busy | whoops |
| 23:05:00 | Doug_um_busy | deleted milkshape |
| 23:05:02 | Doug_um_busy | duh? |
| 23:05:40 | BZFrank | ? |
| 23:06:42 | dinah | once again proposes a second channel for things not directly bzflag related |
| 23:07:01 | Doug_um_busy | my monitor is broke |
| 23:07:04 | Doug_um_busy | wont turn on |
| 23:07:05 | Doug_um_busy | :( |
| 23:07:28 | Doug_um_busy | join #stuff_not_related_to_bzflag |
| 23:07:40 | dinah | lets call it #bzchat ? hmm? |
| 23:08:10 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 23:14:28 | iLLf8d | how about #bzdeath |
| 23:14:29 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 23:14:30 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 23:14:31 | iLLf8d | jk |
| 23:14:38 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 23:15:37 | dinah | wonders when Doug will check his mail box... |
| 23:15:46 | Doug_um_busy | hm |
| 23:15:54 | Doug_um_busy | I checked it a few min agi |
| 23:15:57 | Doug_um_busy | ago |
| 23:17:17 | Doug_um_busy | check yours |
| 23:17:50 | dinah | so did the html code work? |
| 23:17:58 | Doug_um_busy | yup |
| 23:18:00 | Doug_um_busy | cool |
| 23:18:01 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 23:18:05 | Doug_um_busy | I need to learn HTML |
| 23:18:12 | Doug_um_busy | after I learn fortran |
| 23:19:12 | dinah | what? |
| 23:19:17 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 23:19:18 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 23:19:24 | Doug_um_busy | I mean cobol |
| 23:19:50 | dinah | whoooosssshh <the sound of that going over me head> |
| 23:19:57 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 23:21:42 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
| 23:21:44 | Doug_um_busy | still works |
| 23:21:47 | Doug_um_busy | did mine work? |
| 23:21:59 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 23:22:03 | Doug_um_busy | it does not blick |
| 23:22:07 | Doug_um_busy | blink |
| 23:22:21 | dinah | you know h6 is very small right? |
| 23:22:42 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 23:22:43 | Doug_um_busy | yea |
| 23:22:45 | Doug_um_busy | um |
| 23:22:49 | Doug_um_busy | thats how big it goes? |
| 23:22:50 | dinah | wonders if she can remember how to do blink tags |
| 23:23:36 | Doug_um_busy | try mine |
| 23:23:39 | dinah | you can do: <font size="+a really big number"> |
| 23:23:53 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 23:24:00 | Doug_um_busy | let me trythat |
| 23:24:46 | dinah | by really big i mean like 6 or so... |
| 23:25:32 | Doug_um_busy | ok |
| 23:25:36 | Doug_um_busy | try that? |
| 23:25:37 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 23:25:40 | Doug_um_busy | I put 99 |
| 23:26:10 | dinah | bah it wont let you use a # that size :-P |
| 23:26:33 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 23:26:49 | Doug_um_busy | hmm |
| 23:26:53 | Doug_um_busy | whats the max? |
| 23:27:20 | Doug_um_busy | try that |
| 23:29:21 | dinah | if the number you put in is to big it shows it at the max allowable size. check you mail ;) |
| 23:31:18 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 23:32:20 | dinah | hrmph looks like blink isnt supported n e more |
| 23:33:15 | Doug_um_busy | oh |
| 23:33:16 | Doug_um_busy | rats |
| 23:33:17 | Doug_um_busy | :) |
| 23:34:38 | dinah | needs a website to show off her awsome html skills |
| 23:34:55 | Doug_um_busy | heh |
| 23:35:02 | Doug_um_busy | put it in the forum |
| 23:59:15 | Doug_um_busy | lol |
