| 00:04:14 | Apache | sslllooowww |
| 00:31:31 | ski | aaaaaaa |
| 00:31:43 | ski | well |
| 00:31:49 | ski | we asked for that one |
| 00:32:44 | ski | see blackhound |
| 00:33:02 | | ski: excuse me? |
| 00:33:02 | ski | ibot: see blackhound |
| 00:33:08 | | ski? |
| 00:33:08 | ski | ibot |
| 00:33:26 | | no idea, ski |
| 00:33:26 | ski | ibot, see blackhound? |
| 00:33:39 | ski | i dont know commands... |
| 00:33:52 | ski | ....... |
| 00:35:36 | lupinator | anyone for a quick game before i go to bed? |
| 00:35:47 | m0nkey_b0y | lets go lupi |
| 00:35:52 | ski | ...... |
| 00:35:53 | lupinator | ducati 5155? |
| 00:35:57 | m0nkey_b0y | k |
| 00:36:10 | ski | ...... |
| 00:36:34 | ski | hi loop |
| 00:36:37 | Oooo0 | hola ski |
| 00:36:40 | Oooo0 | nice match |
| 00:36:52 | ski | just cant beat ya |
| 00:37:11 | ski | i never see you guys on ducati practicing |
| 00:37:17 | ski | lol |
| 00:37:36 | Oooo0 | we rarely play as our loop names |
| 00:37:43 | ski | ahhh |
| 00:37:55 | ski | so ill just look for the people with high scores |
| 00:37:57 | Oooo0 | loop names are for matches |
| 00:38:11 | Oooo0 | if you look at our logo, you'll see the real names |
| 00:39:23 | ski | oohh, i never saw that logo |
| 00:39:29 | jpablo | Oooo0: i liked your old tank logo. |
| 00:39:45 | Oooo0 | nah, this one is better |
| 00:39:57 | ski | isnt gerbil on your team rtoo? |
| 00:40:00 | Oooo0 | i'm partial, i designe the bugger |
| 00:40:03 | Oooo0 | no |
| 00:40:07 | jpablo | oh, the tank is back. |
| 00:40:09 | Oooo0 | just the four |
| 00:40:13 | ski | hmm |
| 00:40:40 | jpablo | i like that logo, i didn't like the one with sam with a gun. |
| 00:40:45 | ski | we need to play some lower ranjed guys |
| 00:40:55 | Oooo0 | we dropped that, toucan-gun |
| 00:41:03 | ski | our record is less than desirable |
| 00:41:03 | Oooo0 | too many guns |
| 00:41:11 | Oooo0 | ski: it's all fun |
| 00:41:21 | ski | i know :) |
| 00:41:22 | Oooo0 | don't worry about scores, you guys are very good |
| 00:41:33 | ski | thats why we wanted to get a second match in today |
| 00:41:49 | ski | im gettin better :) |
| 00:41:57 | ski | hi cap |
| 00:42:02 | Oooo0 | keep it up |
| 00:42:04 | captain_proton | 'lo |
| 00:42:11 | Oooo0 | it's best to practice with you teammates |
| 00:42:17 | Oooo0 | you learn eachother's style |
| 00:42:32 | jpablo | NO KENSHIN DON'T DIE ! :'-( |
| 00:42:40 | ski | yeah |
| 00:42:46 | jpablo | kenshin just is death :-( |
| 00:43:02 | jpablo | should stop seeing anime. |
| 00:43:17 | ski | brb |
| 00:44:39 | Oooo0 | ciao |
| 01:07:12 | blackhound | bye guys |
| 01:19:53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream! |
| 01:20:02 | captain_proton | whats up mah main marshmallow? |
| 01:20:18 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 01:21:02 | MrApathyCream | any 'smores' patches? |
| 01:21:25 | captain_proton | smores? |
| 01:22:32 | ski | cya guys |
| 01:22:39 | MrApathyCream | a tasty treat made up of marshmallow, graham cracker and chocolate |
| 01:22:52 | MrApathyCream | --thus-- a bad pun |
| 01:23:00 | captain_proton | aha |
| 01:23:15 | captain_proton | no, nothing really |
| 01:23:31 | captain_proton | hacking slightly at adding fog to gstate and config files |
| 01:24:10 | MrApathyCream | add the tornado that wipes out tanks instead |
| 01:24:25 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:24:39 | captain_proton | i found a couple lists of TODO flags on various Old Web Pages[tm] |
| 01:24:43 | captain_proton | ooh, tim is here |
| 01:24:56 | captain_proton | BZFlag: care to look at these lists and check off which would be good to do? |
| 01:25:11 | MrApathyCream | (an hour ago) |
| 01:25:27 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 01:49:57 | MrApathyCream | lo-grav is wild |
| 01:50:15 | MrApathyCream | is there a hi-grav world on line? |
| 01:50:52 | MrApathyCream | heh, or perhaps a world with gravity(x,y) function! |
| 01:53:25 | captain_proton | i'd like to see gravity become x,y,z |
| 01:53:45 | captain_proton | with the tank reoriented to gravity |
| 01:53:57 | captain_proton | then someone could hack a server to send MsgSetVar's depending on where the tank was |
| 01:54:00 | captain_proton | cubic BZFlag ;) |
| 01:54:46 | MrApathyCream | meaning gravity center is 10, 10, 200 and everything moves that way? |
| 01:55:15 | captain_proton | no - a direction vector |
| 01:59:28 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 02:05:12 | jarg0n | can someone help me with this, what provides libstdc++.so.4 ? my rpm of 1.7e6 is requesting it as a dependencie |
| 02:09:23 | jarg0n | hmm, is anyone here? |
| 02:09:49 | captain_proton | g++ |
| 02:11:20 | captain_proton | jpablo: was it you that lied to me about source compatibility between gnome 1.4 and gnome 2? |
| 02:11:47 | jpablo | no. |
| 02:11:55 | jpablo | gnome 1.4 and gnome 2 are NOT source compatible. |
| 02:12:25 | jpablo | the initial port is easy, but it's not compatible. |
| 02:12:32 | captain_proton | someone said 'it will compile, but there are a lot of configure changes' |
| 02:13:13 | captain_proton | explain me this: |
| 02:13:19 | captain_proton | bzedit.o: In function `int __lexicographical_compare_3way<signed char const *, signed char const *>(signed char const *, signed char const *, signed char const *, signed char const *)': |
| 02:13:19 | captain_proton | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-linux/2.95.3/../../../../include/g++-3/stl_algobase.h:466: undefined reference to `gnome_init' |
| 02:13:40 | jpablo | oh, now you need something like gnome_program_init, etc. |
| 02:13:47 | jpablo | there's a porting guide in developer.gnome.org |
| 02:16:19 | captain_proton | i can't find it |
| 02:22:51 | MrApathyCream | that pattern stretching patch is nice |
| 02:24:06 | captain_proton | haven't tried it myself |
| 02:24:21 | captain_proton | woo, segfault |
| 02:24:32 | MrApathyCream | sw33t |
| 02:25:49 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 02:25:59 | captain_proton | its segfaulting in glGenTextures |
| 02:27:32 | captain_proton | i'm not sure i know why |
| 02:29:26 | jarg0n | ok, i cant seem to find libstdc++.so.4, ;( |
| 02:30:18 | captain_proton | i'm beginning to think porting this mess is a bad idea =/ |
| 02:36:44 | jpablo | captain_proton: http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/porting/ |
| 02:38:32 | captain_proton | aha, in dotplan |
| 02:51:28 | Widget | Hi, is anyone here? |
| 02:51:37 | captain_proton | debatable |
| 02:51:56 | Widget | War ja auchdie Reche für unsere bisher einzige Niederlage. |
| 02:53:27 | captain_proton | gah |
| 02:53:34 | captain_proton | i hate people whose cvs repositories don't compile |
| 02:55:55 | Widget | captain_proton: You should love your fellow human being. |
| 02:56:00 | Widget | captain_proton: Some people do not love their fellow human beings. |
| 02:57:38 | Widget | captain_proton: I hate people like that. |
| 03:22:54 | captain_proton | wow - strange conversation over in #ao |
| 03:23:08 | captain_proton | <hogfly> rumplestiltskin is that dumb broad with the long hair |
| 03:23:15 | captain_proton | <Christina> No, rumplestiltskin is the...thing |
| 03:23:16 | captain_proton | <Christina> that ogre |
| 03:23:22 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> rumplestiltskin was the guy who spun the straw into gold in exchange for the lady's firstborn |
| 03:23:31 | captain_proton | * KublaiKhan[MEB] nods at evil_enchilada |
| 03:23:36 | captain_proton | <evil_enchilada> then she got off the hook by guessing his name |
| 03:23:36 | captain_proton | <KublaiKhan[MEB]> Rapunzel was the broad with the hair. |
| 03:23:40 | captain_proton | shrugs |
| 03:24:13 | captain_proton | <hogfly> rumplestilskin was a little fairy sort of thing, there is no way a guy could spin straw into gold.. |
| 03:25:48 | Widget | #ao? |
| 03:27:18 | captain_proton | #antionline @ irc.antionline.com |
| 03:27:23 | captain_proton | we've moved on to other things |
| 03:27:25 | Widget | Oh. |
| 03:27:28 | Widget | What's Antionline? |
| 03:27:40 | captain_proton | technically a computer security site |
| 04:52:38 | BZFlag | captain_proton: where's the list? make a wiki page. ;-) actually there is one I think, add any that aren't there to it. |
| 04:53:06 | captain_proton | http://www.bzflag.org/developer/flaglist.html |
| 04:53:06 | captain_proton | there's one |
| 04:53:13 | captain_proton | http://www.geocities.com/moss-taylor/BZFlag.html |
| 04:53:15 | captain_proton | and the other |
| 04:54:35 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/wiki/view/IdeaS <- another. |
| 04:55:25 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 04:59:30 | captain_proton | BZFlag: perhaps i should just make a nice unified table then give to you for selection? |
| 05:00:37 | BZFlag | or a wiki page.... ;-) |
| 05:00:37 | captain_proton | wiki pages aren't pretty ;-) |
| 05:00:37 | captain_proton | i'd like something i can color code |
| 05:02:43 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/wiki/view/ProposedFlags |
| 05:03:27 | BZFlag | should really upgrade to MoinMoin. It allows any html markup. |
| 05:03:48 | captain_proton | there's no content (at all) on that page |
| 05:04:16 | BZFlag | That's what we use at work. html markup, spell checking, javascript "double click to edit", email subscriptions etc. |
| 05:04:58 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/wiki/view/ProposedFlags <- shows a simple table here. |
| 05:05:07 | captain_proton | not to me |
| 05:05:09 | BZFlag | reload. |
| 05:05:14 | captain_proton | its like the table cell with all the content is missing |
| 05:05:26 | BZFlag | browser? |
| 05:05:29 | jpablo | same here. |
| 05:05:46 | captain_proton | gets cutoff at '<center><a href="http://www.Mesa3D.org/">' |
| 05:05:59 | captain_proton | no data after that |
| 05:06:02 | captain_proton | mozilla 1.1a |
| 05:06:05 | jpablo | same here. |
| 05:07:04 | BZFlag | keep hitting reload like 10 times and see. |
| 05:07:22 | BZFlag | I have no idea what is causing it, it happens sometime here as well. |
| 05:07:44 | captain_proton | 2 flags in that table? |
| 05:08:02 | BZFlag | 1 flag plus the header. I just created the page. |
| 05:08:10 | captain_proton | yeah ok |
| 05:08:18 | jpablo | yeah, i got the page now too. |
| 05:08:18 | captain_proton | i'm gonna create my own page if you don't mind ;) |
| 05:09:22 | BZFlag | captain_proton: it just bugs me that people put bzflag info all over the internet. Most pages are not known to anyone else. If they were all on bzflag.org then folks could find them easily. |
| 05:09:32 | BZFlag | and edit/update them as well. |
| 05:09:45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: yes, but the wiki is ugly as hell to read |
| 05:09:58 | BZFlag | your example of proposed flags is a good one. now you are adding yet another to the mix. |
| 05:10:07 | BZFlag | captain_proton: agreed. so fix it. ;-) |
| 05:11:07 | BZFlag | Also it should be readable in any browser. bzflag.de frames really bug me. I never go there, and now it seems it's all out of date anyway. |
| 05:12:03 | BZFlag | requiring javascript of flash or java etc is a Bad Thing. Allowing improved navigation etc if they are there is great. but requireing them is just poor design. |
| 05:12:08 | captain_proton | yeah, bzflag.de is painful |
| 05:13:14 | jpablo | bzflag.de is UGLY ! |
| 05:13:50 | jpablo | i had this nightmare where a frame of bzflag.de attacked me. |
| 05:14:00 | BZFlag | I'm not at all attached to the wiki. I'm just after solutions that are easy for others to update. |
| 05:14:13 | captain_proton | i wish we could somehow import the ezboard stuff into sourceforge and get rid of bzflag.de completly |
| 05:14:18 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:14:28 | BZFlag | I've considered just putting the entire web site in cvs and then folks can check it out and edit locally. |
| 05:14:47 | captain_proton | BZFlag: the webdav WG at ietf had a -very- nice solution, but i don't think sourceforge implements any of it |
| 05:14:55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i like that idea a lot |
| 05:14:55 | BZFlag | ezboard is just as usable without bzflag.de |
| 05:15:09 | captain_proton | BZFlag: true, but we've got the sourceforge forums |
| 05:15:20 | captain_proton | BZFlag: and it seems some users use one, some the other |
| 05:15:23 | BZFlag | captain_proton: there are webdav cgi scripts though are there not? |
| 05:15:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i'm not sure - perhaps |
| 05:15:49 | captain_proton | lemme check their page |
| 05:15:50 | BZFlag | captain_proton: well, if they want me to reply, they will have to use SF. ;-) |
| 05:18:10 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:18:18 | captain_proton | think we could get sourceforge to install mod_dav? =) |
| 05:19:32 | BZFlag | hmm. Don't know. any way to check if it is installed? |
| 05:19:39 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i think the web site in cvs is the best idea |
| 05:20:49 | BZFlag | yeah. probably the best answer at present. |
| 05:21:02 | captain_proton | does sourceforge even run apache? i thought they didn't |
| 05:21:31 | BZFlag | HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 05:21:32 | BZFlag | Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:26:44 GMT |
| 05:21:32 | BZFlag | Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) PHP/4.1.2 |
| 05:21:32 | BZFlag | Last-Modified: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:23:40 GMT |
| 05:21:33 | BZFlag | ETag: "b5a9-264-3b9910ac" |
| 05:21:33 | BZFlag | Accept-Ranges: bytes |
| 05:21:34 | BZFlag | Content-Length: 612 |
| 05:21:36 | BZFlag | Connection: close |
| 05:21:38 | BZFlag | Content-Type: text/html |
| 05:21:43 | captain_proton | guess that explains it ;) |
| 06:06:00 | captain_proton | BZFlag: any progress on that cvsing? ;-) |
| 06:07:47 | captain_proton | acutally i can create the module |
| 06:07:53 | captain_proton | wget --mirror's |
| 06:12:46 | captain_proton | oh my |
| 06:12:58 | captain_proton | its grabbing the edit pages from the wiki |
| 06:22:14 | captain_proton | MoinMoin looks nice |
| 06:22:20 | captain_proton | certainly prettier than sfwiki |
| 06:31:02 | akira_ | moin |
| 06:31:14 | akira_ | BZFlag: are you there? |
| 06:35:35 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ooh, looks like the right font |
| 06:36:33 | captain_proton | well, not quite |
| 06:36:37 | captain_proton | but is damn close |
| 06:43:52 | BZFlag | captain_proton: scp it. |
| 06:44:07 | BZFlag | captain_proton: the makefile for the web should likely be updated. |
| 06:44:14 | BZFlag | they are NOT raw pages at present. |
| 06:44:21 | BZFlag | the menus are auto added. |
| 06:44:25 | captain_proton | BZFlag: hmm |
| 06:44:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: how abouts i just grab new/ and finish it up? ;) |
| 06:44:46 | BZFlag | there are a few version in the home directories. |
| 06:44:54 | BZFlag | er home directory. |
| 06:45:10 | BZFlag | I don't like the skinnyness of the /new/ ;-) |
| 06:45:41 | captain_proton | perhaps not, but its a lot easier to read than sentences that stretch across the entire screen |
| 06:45:53 | captain_proton | and making up for that with a giant font size is -not- a solution |
| 06:46:20 | BZFlag | If I don't want my sentances to fill the screen width, I'll shrink my window. |
| 06:46:41 | BZFlag | If I have the window full screen, I _want_ the site full screen. |
| 06:46:47 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 06:47:12 | BZFlag | I do not want some web designer to force me to view if like on his/her screen. |
| 06:48:52 | BZFlag | jeff myers claims the "right" font is Adobe Lithos Black. I could buy it for $21 off the net. |
| 06:49:17 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:49:58 | captain_proton | BZFlag: in any case, the structure of new/ makes it easy to swap out the layout |
| 06:50:04 | captain_proton | change document.php, bang |
| 06:50:04 | | captain_proton: that doesn't look right |
| 06:50:39 | | captain_proton: what? |
| 06:50:39 | captain_proton | ibot: well, i'm sorry |
| 07:25:31 | Chestal | ~ |
| 07:29:35 | jpablo | hey Chestal. |
| 07:34:46 | jpablo | i'm off to bed. |
| 09:03:14 | akira_ | woha, is das leer hier |
| 09:03:56 | Chestal | geht so |
| 09:04:03 | Chestal | hmm, gestern gabs doch Matches? |
| 09:05:21 | akira_ | ja? |
| 09:06:03 | Chestal | gerade eingetragen, avenegrs verlierenknapp gegen bz und deutlich gegen loops |
| 09:06:18 | akira_ | hehe |
| 09:06:45 | Chestal | damit haben die armen Avengers 4 Niederlagen |
| 09:07:14 | akira_ | die armen |
| 09:09:01 | Chestal | im Moment will ich garnicht gegen die spielen, die sollen erstmalwieder ihr Ratign steigern :-) |
| 09:09:18 | akira_ | muharh |
| 09:44:44 | strayer | hi |
| 09:45:26 | akira_ | tach |
| 09:46:20 | strayer | na...was neues? |
| 09:46:40 | akira_ | noe |
| 09:46:43 | akira_ | ich geh halt offline |
| 09:46:56 | strayer | ?...warum |
| 09:47:05 | strayer | fuer immer *freu* |
| 09:47:09 | akira_ | weil geld kostet? |
| 09:47:13 | akira_ | cu |
| 09:47:16 | strayer | cu |
| 09:48:23 | Chestal | hi strayer |
| 09:48:50 | strayer | hallo chestal |
| 09:49:48 | strayer | du bist ja 24 stunden online.....schlaefst du nicht? |
| 09:50:17 | Chestal | doch, sogar zuviel |
| 09:51:04 | strayer | hm...jede stunde ca. 5 min schaetze ich... |
| 09:51:50 | Chestal | so, muss jetzt mal den Beisitzer spielen |
| 09:52:07 | strayer | in der uni? |
| 09:52:27 | Chestal | ja |
| 09:52:38 | strayer | na denn..mach mal :) |
| 09:53:05 | strayer | nur zuhoeren oder auch nachdenken? |
| 09:54:22 | Chestal | naja, von beidem ein wenig, ist aber ja immer dasselbe |
| 09:54:59 | strayer | hm....student an sich bist ja nimmer, oder? |
| 09:55:17 | Chestal | auch, aber eigentlich wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter |
| 09:55:45 | strayer | muss sojemand nicht auch tests korrigieren und so? |
| 09:55:59 | Chestal | ja, ab und an auch mal ne Klausurkorrektur, ist meist eklig |
| 09:56:20 | Chestal | hmm, Chef hat sich meinen Kuli geschnappt |
| 09:56:23 | strayer | glaube ich gern....ich koennte sowas nicht... |
| 09:56:26 | Chestal | muss sehen, dass ichden gleich zurueckerober |
| 09:56:28 | strayer | ...wie gemein |
| 09:56:36 | strayer | :) |
| 09:56:42 | Chestal | so, muss jetzt los |
| 09:56:52 | strayer | ok....tschau und 'viel spass' |
| 09:56:59 | Chestal | *gähn* |
| 09:57:03 | strayer | ... |
| 10:18:59 | Gorb | read the licence, but not clear to me, is it allowed to sell the game together with source code |
| 10:30:17 | BZFlag | Gorb: yes. |
| 10:30:39 | BZFlag | Gorb: you can even modify it first if you like. |
| 10:31:28 | BZFlag | contact me if distributing the complete source would not be possible. Tim@Rikers.org |
| 10:33:18 | BZFlag | ie: if ported to X-Box, including xbox headers and linking to the libraries would presumably include some static libraries and hence violate the license. If they are all DLLs (I have not seen the xbox dev kit so I don't know) then linking is fine. This is the case with the windows version now. |
| 10:35:19 | Gorb | dont understand that, since u said modification is allowed |
| 10:39:16 | BZFlag | don't understand which? |
| 10:39:57 | Gorb | the linking violation |
| 10:40:14 | BZFlag | If the microsoft SDK forces you to include sources which they prohibit you from publishing, then you could not "distribute the source" which the license requires. |
| 10:40:43 | Gorb | ah, k |
| 10:41:02 | BZFlag | can I ask what you're planning? |
| 10:42:08 | Gorb | ji want to offer it in germany for download with a serial number u can get by calling a service number |
| 10:42:31 | BZFlag | feel free to msg me if you don't want the info to be public yet. |
| 10:43:02 | Gorb | k |
| 10:44:18 | BZFlag | hmm. what incentive is there for people to run your version over the free one? Just the publicity / support? |
| 10:44:31 | BZFlag | and do you plan to host a server as well? |
| 10:45:56 | BZFlag | don't get me wrong, I do think publicity and support have value. ;-) |
| 10:48:17 | Gorb | yes i planned to host a server |
| 10:48:28 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 11:04:45 | Gorb | i improved the textures and translated all menu options into german language |
| 11:15:27 | doughec | installs Mac System 7 on his PC |
| 11:18:16 | BZFlag | Gorb: cool. I'd love to see the patches when you get around to it. |
| 11:19:33 | BZFlag | Gorb: is the serial number checking source code then also to be released? I presume you have seen the included TIMEBOMB code. It should be easy to add the serial number checking code as a conditional compile thing. |
| 11:22:15 | Gorb | yes, but i make all sourcecode unreadable, no comments and so on, and it would just be buildable |
| 11:22:40 | Gorb | unreadable for humans |
| 11:23:13 | BZFlag | hmmm. all the source? or just the source you are adding? |
| 11:23:46 | Gorb | all the source |
| 11:27:41 | BZFlag | hmm... I can't think of a part of the GPL that actually prohibits that, but that is not at all the intent of the license. |
| 11:28:18 | BZFlag | I don't mind if you obfuscate the source you are adding, but I would prefer you not obfuscate the entire source base. |
| 11:28:46 | Gorb | but the licens does not prohibit that |
| 11:30:29 | BZFlag | from section 3: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. |
| 11:30:49 | BZFlag | I assume you are not using that source for your edits. |
| 11:31:09 | BZFlag | so therefore the obfuscated source != "the source code" |
| 11:31:41 | Gorb | hmm |
| 11:32:39 | Gorb | i do |
| 11:32:45 | BZFlag | i do? |
| 11:33:12 | BZFlag | you are working directly from the "unreadable for humans" source code? |
| 11:33:23 | Gorb | yes |
| 11:33:35 | BZFlag | ie: there is no clearer source that creates the "unreadable for humans" source? |
| 11:33:54 | BZFlag | clearly that is not the case for any of the source that is not provided. |
| 11:34:03 | Gorb | of course there is |
| 11:34:05 | BZFlag | er "that is now provided" |
| 11:35:12 | Gorb | but i think its no prob to let the original code unchanged and just make the mods unreadable |
| 11:35:35 | BZFlag | if there is "source" that creates the "unreadable for humans" source, then the first is the "source" is the source that must be included. |
| 11:36:03 | BZFlag | if you are working directly with unreadable code, then that's your right. |
| 11:36:04 | Gorb | i know there is no workaround :=( |
| 11:36:29 | Gorb | and its the wrong place to talk about it, i think |
| 11:36:38 | BZFlag | if you have original sources, then they must be included. This presumes you are shipping a version under the current license. |
| 11:36:59 | BZFlag | As the copyright holder, I have authority to license the code under other licenses. |
| 11:38:11 | Gorb | i will contact u when all my preparations are complete |
| 11:38:50 | BZFlag | I'd be happy to discuss licensing that would allow you to ship a binary without providing source. I would like to see this be a time delayed release. for example you could ship a version, and send me the source immediately. I would not release that source to anyone for a negotiated period of time, say 1 year or so. |
| 11:39:22 | Gorb | i will think about that |
| 11:40:16 | BZFlag | ok. I am interested in allowing commercial releases. Feel free to write up proposals and email me. Tim@Rikers.org ok? |
| 11:40:24 | Gorb | k |
| 11:40:47 | doughec | BZFlag: what about lindows? What are they going to do? |
| 11:41:49 | BZFlag | doughec: they have added a comment to "3D Tank" that it is really bzflag. They have confirmed that 1) they will release source when the distro is ready, and 2) the binary included at present is right from debian with no source changes and not even a recompile. |
| 11:42:19 | BZFlag | I asked them to keep me posted on new releases, and they agreed. |
| 11:42:25 | doughec | hehe |
| 11:42:49 | doughec | I guess thats a "good thing" |
| 11:42:51 | doughec | ;) |
| 11:43:55 | doughec | how hard would it be the compile bzflag for the mac os 9...? |
| 11:44:21 | BZFlag | Gorb: I can see that releaseing the serial checking source is something you'd like to avoid. We can talk about that too. I think we might find a private key type solution that might allow you to ship the client source but have the actual checking happen on your own servers. Might that work? |
| 11:45:18 | BZFlag | doughec: all the required sources should be in cvs. Mac 9 had issues with scheduling audio updates, but other than that it seemed to run OK. |
| 11:45:23 | Gorb | no that does not work |
| 11:45:38 | doughec | BZFlag: so is there binary for OS 9? |
| 11:45:44 | BZFlag | doughec: I've played it on os9, and it was fine, but I don't have a system to clean up the install etc. |
| 11:45:51 | doughec | oh |
| 11:45:53 | BZFlag | Gorb: ok, just suggesting. |
| 11:45:53 | doughec | rats |
| 11:46:25 | BZFlag | doughec: I was testing 1,7d9, a newer release would of course be preferred. ;-) |
| 11:46:50 | doughec | erk |
| 11:46:50 | doughec | BZFlag: so you cant stuff the whole thing and have it run? |
| 11:46:52 | doughec | lol |
| 11:47:13 | doughec | the OS X version runs fine |
| 11:47:27 | doughec | but I would like to see a OS 8/9 version |
| 11:47:53 | doughec | or a 68k version... lol |
| 11:47:54 | doughec | ;) |
| 11:47:58 | BZFlag | should not be too tough to do. |
| 11:48:03 | doughec | hmm |
| 11:48:08 | BZFlag | debian has a m86k version for linux. ;-) |
| 11:48:16 | doughec | where do you get the compiler for the mac? |
| 11:48:20 | doughec | is it free? |
| 11:48:58 | BZFlag | gcc should work on osx, but for os9 etc you probably need a commercial package. I don't have a mac development system setup here. |
| 11:49:12 | doughec | ack |
| 11:49:32 | doughec | hmmm |
| 11:50:49 | doughec | yippy, I can get out to the internet through an emulator running system 7.6 |
| 11:50:55 | doughec | on windows 2000 |
| 11:50:56 | doughec | ;) |
| 11:52:49 | doughec | ack, its not very stable..... |
| 11:54:37 | doughec | does apple have any develement software for download? |
| 11:56:32 | doughec | BZFlag: http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/ |
| 13:24:02 | doughec | jzaun: do you use a mac? |
| 13:24:17 | jzaun | Nope PC /w Linux |
| 13:24:21 | doughec | hmm |
| 13:24:47 | jzaun | I can use MAC though... :-) |
| 13:31:07 | doughec | heh |
| 13:31:16 | doughec | trying to compile bzflag on OS 9 |
| 13:31:56 | jzaun | heh... what error you getting? |
| 13:32:00 | doughec | hmm |
| 13:32:14 | doughec | I can t figure out how to compile the thing |
| 13:32:29 | doughec | there is no button to click saying "compile" |
| 13:32:34 | doughec | or nothing |
| 13:32:55 | doughec | it needs a command line, but macs dont have a command line... |
| 13:33:07 | doughec | but the software is made by apple.... |
| 13:33:09 | doughec | bah |
| 13:33:22 | doughec | I gonna read the man |
| 13:33:32 | jzaun | hmm.. not really sure how to help, sorry |
| 13:33:35 | doughec | lol |
| 13:33:35 | strayer | good idea :) |
| 13:33:39 | doughec | yea |
| 13:33:46 | doughec | bzflag said he got it running on a mac |
| 13:33:59 | doughec | but he dont have any dev software... |
| 13:34:15 | strayer | hm.....i have no mac.....so... |
| 13:34:20 | doughec | hehe |
| 13:34:27 | doughec | who uses a mac here? |
| 13:34:31 | doughec | in this channel? |
| 13:35:57 | strayer | do U hear them crying 'here'? ;) |
| 13:36:05 | doughec | lol |
| 13:36:41 | doughec | ah, I dont want OS X!!!!! I want OS 9!!! |
| 13:36:43 | doughec | ;) |
| 13:37:00 | doughec | ack, CodeWarrior 6 |
| 13:37:06 | doughec | I have to have it... |
| 13:37:08 | strayer | ... |
| 13:37:31 | doughec | ... |
| 13:38:44 | doughec | 80 bucks for CodeWarrior.. |
| 13:38:59 | doughec | I guess I wont be compiling bzflag anytime soon |
| 13:40:59 | strayer | :) |
| 13:41:16 | doughec | your welcome to buy it for me... |
| 13:41:18 | doughec | ;) |
| 13:41:58 | doughec | at least I have system 7 running on windows... |
| 13:42:14 | strayer | np...i'm rich....of course :p |
| 13:42:21 | doughec | lol |
| 13:42:21 | strayer | system 7? |
| 13:42:24 | doughec | yup |
| 13:42:31 | doughec | machintosh system 7.6 |
| 13:42:39 | doughec | running inside of windows |
| 13:42:45 | doughec | 2000 pr |
| 13:42:46 | doughec | pro |
| 13:42:47 | strayer | oh...that works? |
| 13:42:58 | doughec | yea |
| 13:43:01 | doughec | runs great |
| 13:43:08 | doughec | ;) |
| 13:43:10 | strayer | hm... |
| 13:43:24 | doughec | emulator... |
| 13:43:31 | strayer | of course |
| 13:43:37 | doughec | :0 |
| 13:44:01 | doughec | its a 600 Mhz quadra 900 |
| 13:44:04 | doughec | ;) |
| 13:44:12 | doughec | fastest one on the planet |
| 13:44:41 | strayer | unknown... |
| 13:44:53 | doughec | unknown? |
| 13:45:03 | strayer | i don't know... |
| 13:45:09 | strayer | it |
| 13:45:17 | doughec | quadra? |
| 13:45:31 | strayer | jep |
| 13:45:42 | doughec | hmm |
| 13:45:46 | doughec | maybe not quadra |
| 13:45:59 | doughec | like a centris, but with a FPU |
| 13:46:09 | strayer | ah |
| 13:46:14 | doughec | um |
| 13:46:24 | doughec | Macintosh Quadra 900 |
| 13:46:28 | doughec | machine id 20 |
| 13:46:44 | strayer | wanna have a mac too... |
| 13:46:52 | doughec | processor: 68040 at 20 Mhz |
| 13:47:01 | doughec | but the 20 Mhz = 600 mhz |
| 13:47:03 | doughec | ;) |
| 13:47:36 | strayer | ...have to go...reboot |
| 13:47:39 | strayer | :( |
| 13:47:41 | doughec | ok |
| 13:47:47 | strayer | windows... |
| 13:47:52 | doughec | yup |
| 13:47:53 | doughec | ;) |
| 13:47:57 | strayer | cya... |
| 13:48:10 | doughec | xcya |
| 14:03:25 | [TeA] | Alot here |
| 14:03:31 | [TeA] | Hi @LL |
| 14:03:38 | jzaun | Hello :-) |
| 14:03:44 | [TeA] | somewone there |
| 14:03:46 | [TeA] | LOL |
| 14:03:47 | [TeA] | ;) |
| 14:04:02 | jzaun | yah.. just a lil quiet |
| 14:04:07 | [TeA] | how are ya jzaun ?? :D |
| 14:04:20 | jzaun | Good yourself? |
| 14:04:27 | [TeA] | fine thx |
| 14:04:31 | [TeA] | :) |
| 14:04:40 | [TeA] | how about a game on ducati:5156 |
| 14:04:44 | jzaun | Anything new goin on? |
| 14:04:52 | jzaun | in 1.7 or 1.8? |
| 14:04:52 | [TeA] | i dunno ...... |
| 14:04:59 | [TeA] | 1.7 |
| 14:05:17 | [TeA] | c ya |
| 14:05:29 | jzaun | sure... if you don't mind killing me over and over again without any problem whatsoever... |
| 14:12:00 | ritchie_ | hi all |
| 14:41:05 | BZFrank | hi |
| 14:41:14 | doughec | BZFrank: is your game ready yet??? |
| 14:41:15 | doughec | ;) |
| 14:41:20 | doughec | hello BZFrank |
| 14:41:28 | BZFrank | hi doughec |
| 14:41:38 | BZFrank | yes, the first testers have received it |
| 14:41:43 | doughec | oh |
| 14:41:53 | doughec | cool |
| 14:42:15 | BZFrank | its quite a package, 16.5 MByte ZIP, need to make an installer next ;) |
| 14:42:22 | doughec | wow |
| 14:42:23 | doughec | hmm |
| 14:42:32 | doughec | what kind of grafics card does it need? |
| 14:42:36 | BZFrank | 15 MByte maodels, textures, sound, the rest program ;) |
| 14:42:43 | BZFrank | opengl, anything |
| 14:42:46 | doughec | hmm |
| 14:42:58 | doughec | will an intel 810 work? |
| 14:43:02 | jzaun | BZFrank: What game are you working on? |
| 14:43:04 | BZFrank | get a geforce, it was written on such a system |
| 14:43:04 | doughec | its a on board card... |
| 14:43:10 | doughec | oh |
| 14:43:10 | doughec | ok |
| 14:43:27 | BZFrank | jzaun: http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/ |
| 14:43:34 | jzaun | oohh Thats you? :-) |
| 14:43:47 | jzaun | it looks assome |
| 14:44:02 | BZFrank | should work with most anything, but it is more resource (texture) intensive than bzflag |
| 14:44:10 | doughec | hmm |
| 14:44:32 | doughec | could i test it, to see if it works on slow grafics card? |
| 14:44:33 | BZFrank | but you can make small and no texture models, then it should work within the requirements of bzflag |
| 14:44:34 | doughec | ;) |
| 14:44:42 | doughec | oh, ok |
| 14:44:48 | BZFrank | jzaun: thanks ;) |
| 14:44:49 | jzaun | BZFrank: If you need another tester... I'de be more that happy to test for you |
| 14:45:06 | doughec | BZFrank: same here... |
| 14:45:08 | doughec | ;) |
| 14:45:20 | doughec | I am making new sounds for bzflag |
| 14:45:26 | BZFrank | thanks, right now some compatibility tests are running, as soon as I know it works on other hardware a public beta will be announced |
| 14:45:33 | doughec | replacing some of them with a voice... |
| 14:45:39 | doughec | ok |
| 14:46:01 | BZFrank | in p2501 tanks can 'honk' (using an original VW horn), you hear it over the network ;) |
| 14:46:21 | BZFrank | scares the hell out of someone when a stealth honks behind him ;) |
| 14:46:25 | jzaun | BZFrank: How long has it taken you to get this far? |
| 14:46:31 | BZFrank | one year |
| 14:46:39 | jzaun | Full time? |
| 14:47:02 | BZFrank | no, but the last two months at least 4 hours daily |
| 14:47:28 | doughec | lol |
| 14:47:30 | doughec | cool!!! |
| 14:47:35 | doughec | new sound effects!!! |
| 14:47:40 | doughec | for bzflag! |
| 14:47:41 | jzaun | Thats a good bit of work on it :-) |
| 14:47:47 | BZFrank | quite some work if you are chief designer, artist, tester and packager in onw person ;) |
| 14:47:48 | doughec | its a voice... |
| 14:47:53 | jzaun | Can't wait to check it out |
| 14:48:03 | doughec | says warning, your team flag has been captured |
| 14:48:08 | doughec | ;) |
| 14:48:12 | doughec | and stuff like that |
| 14:48:12 | BZFrank | guess the beta will hit the road in a few days to two weeks |
| 14:48:19 | doughec | wanna try it jzaun? |
| 14:48:32 | jzaun | doughec: yah, whats the URL to the sound? |
| 14:48:36 | BZFrank | I need to build in some details still, there is no list of the others scores (yet) ;) |
| 14:48:55 | doughec | hmm |
| 14:48:58 | doughec | let me zip it.. |
| 14:49:13 | [TeA] | muhahahahaha |
| 14:49:13 | jzaun | BZFrank: SMP aware? |
| 14:49:29 | [TeA] | can somewone help me how i do a LAN- invitetasion |
| 14:49:31 | [TeA] | letter |
| 14:49:44 | doughec | jzaun: of course not, it would takes lots of code to do it... |
| 14:49:46 | [TeA] | Hi Tad |
| 14:49:49 | doughec | right? |
| 14:50:04 | BZFrank | jzaun: within limits, the sound and jukebox is a separate thread |
| 14:50:47 | BZFrank | music jukebox that is... |
| 14:50:57 | jzaun | BZFrank: hmm... will be interesting to see it on my box (Dual P500) |
| 14:50:59 | doughec | music? |
| 14:51:18 | BZFrank | yes, you put some OGG files in the program folder and it will play them during game ;) |
| 14:51:32 | doughec | coool |
| 14:51:43 | doughec | cant wait for it to come out.. |
| 14:51:48 | doughec | is the list server working? |
| 14:51:52 | BZFrank | and you can rewind, skip, stop and start as you like, the sound effects are mixed in |
| 14:52:07 | doughec | wow |
| 14:52:13 | doughec | that is cool. |
| 14:52:15 | doughec | its ogg? |
| 14:52:16 | doughec | hmm |
| 14:52:20 | BZFrank | no, no list server for the current test, not installed yet - i worked the last week nearly only on the anti cheat measures |
| 14:52:27 | doughec | oh |
| 14:52:28 | doughec | ok |
| 14:52:31 | doughec | jzaun: http://heckamangroup.com/files/ |
| 14:52:36 | doughec | get data.zip |
| 14:52:41 | BZFrank | http://www.vorbis.com |
| 14:52:45 | doughec | put it into data folder |
| 14:52:59 | doughec | backup your old sounds |
| 14:53:04 | BZFrank | yep, too much cheating going on and P2501 should end this |
| 14:53:21 | doughec | BZFrank: will it run on macs? |
| 14:53:39 | BZFrank | yes, MacOS X required (and some nice 3d Card) |
| 14:53:43 | jzaun | BZFrank: your network layer is binary only? |
| 14:53:49 | doughec | requeirsed? |
| 14:53:53 | doughec | no windows? |
| 14:54:01 | BZFrank | no, it will all be open source except the authetication layer |
| 14:54:37 | doughec | BZFrank: oh man, will it run on a 933 G4 with 1.5 gigs of ram, and a Gforce card? |
| 14:54:40 | ritchie_ | P2501? |
| 14:54:41 | doughec | I hope so... |
| 14:54:42 | BZFrank | Windows (98,2k,XP), Linux, MacOS X, Solaris (maybe, most boxes are not fast enough) and INIRX (Again a maybe) |
| 14:54:50 | doughec | ok |
| 14:54:52 | BZFrank | dough: yes ;) |
| 14:54:59 | BZFrank | ritchie: yes |
| 14:55:00 | doughec | oh goody |
| 14:55:13 | ritchie_ | sorry - for the ignorant what is P2501? |
| 14:55:15 | doughec | jzaun: try the sounds effects? |
| 14:55:32 | jzaun | gonna listen to them now. just unziped them |
| 14:55:35 | doughec | ok |
| 14:55:42 | BZFrank | I even runs on my PIII 550 with TNT2 but the A-Bomb detonation effect will cause the framerate to drop to 10 or so ;) |
| 14:55:44 | doughec | just put it into the data fodler |
| 14:55:52 | doughec | BZFrank: wow |
| 14:56:02 | doughec | if it does that to your system |
| 14:56:05 | BZFrank | ritchie: http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/ |
| 14:56:10 | doughec | imagine what it does to a g4... |
| 14:56:12 | ritchie_ | ahah |
| 14:56:13 | doughec | ;) |
| 14:56:24 | jzaun | doughec: Cool, I like em |
| 14:56:26 | doughec | BZFrank: who is beta testing it? |
| 14:56:28 | BZFrank | no, on my P4 1.7, with Geforce 4 it stays well above 60 all the time ;) |
| 14:56:39 | doughec | jzaun: you do? thanks, gonna post it.. |
| 14:56:43 | BZFrank | doughec: well, the usual suspects ;) |
| 14:56:49 | doughec | ah |
| 14:57:25 | [TeA] | 0o0o0 0ooo0 o000o o0o0o 00o00 |
| 14:57:55 | [TeA] | aha |
| 14:58:07 | doughec | hmm |
| 14:58:15 | doughec | too big of a topic? |
| 14:58:25 | ritchie_ | is P2501 meant to be a bzflag rival> |
| 14:59:22 | doughec | ritchie_: yup |
| 14:59:32 | BZFrank | in some sense, yes |
| 14:59:51 | doughec | BZFrank: do you compile programs for OS 9? |
| 14:59:57 | doughec | or can you? |
| 15:00:01 | BZFrank | MacOS 9? |
| 15:00:04 | doughec | yea |
| 15:00:09 | doughec | or 8 |
| 15:00:13 | BZFrank | I could, but why? ;) |
| 15:00:16 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:00:26 | BZFrank | MacOS X is so much easer to programm |
| 15:00:37 | doughec | We where looking for a OS 9 bzflag binary |
| 15:00:47 | doughec | I was trying to compile it |
| 15:00:56 | doughec | but I dont have the software... |
| 15:00:58 | doughec | :( |
| 15:01:12 | BZFrank | opps, dinner is prepared - need to fetch some spaghetti - later! |
| 15:01:16 | doughec | wondering if you could compile it...??? |
| 15:01:17 | doughec | ok |
| 15:01:19 | doughec | cya BZFrank |
| 15:01:25 | BZFrank | I'll take a look |
| 15:01:27 | BZFrank | cya |
| 15:01:29 | jzaun | cya |
| 15:01:29 | doughec | cya |
| 15:01:31 | BZFrank | *mjam* |
| 15:01:35 | doughec | lol |
| 15:05:39 | doughec | anyone else try the sound effects? |
| 15:07:17 | doughec | http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/vwhorn.wav beta test P2501horn |
| 15:11:05 | strayer | boah...that sounds.......strange... |
| 15:11:14 | doughec | lol |
| 15:11:27 | strayer | for what U'll use it? |
| 15:11:39 | doughec | what, the VWhorn? |
| 15:11:42 | strayer | jep |
| 15:11:46 | doughec | um |
| 15:13:05 | doughec | bzfrank has it in P2501 |
| 15:13:23 | doughec | you have honk a horn and everyone wil hear it |
| 15:13:30 | doughec | ;) |
| 15:13:38 | strayer | oh... |
| 15:13:50 | doughec | if you have ST... |
| 15:14:06 | doughec | you can honk the GM guy right behind his back... |
| 15:14:21 | strayer | oh.....terrible idea :) |
| 15:14:28 | doughec | scare the pee out of them... |
| 15:14:34 | doughec | haha |
| 15:15:04 | strayer | i played it as an invinite loop .....argh.....you can get crazy... |
| 15:15:12 | doughec | lol |
| 15:18:40 | doughec | patlabor221: try out the new sound effects.... |
| 15:18:46 | doughec | see the topic... |
| 15:18:50 | patlabor221 | I can not get CVs here |
| 15:18:56 | doughec | CV? |
| 15:19:15 | patlabor221 | CVs |
| 15:19:20 | patlabor221 | latest |
| 15:19:25 | doughec | oh |
| 15:19:28 | patlabor221 | and you cut the topic off |
| 15:19:38 | doughec | again? |
| 15:19:47 | patlabor221 | * Topic is '1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) released!!!!!! get your copy today at http://www.BZFlag.org/ | rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html ; new BZFlag Themes | preview loki_setup installer http://icculus.org/~vogon/bzflag-installer.sh | devs: please upgrade to vorbis 1.0 | http://www.linuxjournal.com/rc2002/ <- vote now! | http://h' |
| 15:19:58 | doughec | there |
| 15:19:59 | patlabor221 | it's too long |
| 15:20:01 | patlabor221 | same thing |
| 15:20:02 | doughec | its fixed... |
| 15:20:06 | doughec | I can read it fine |
| 15:20:10 | patlabor221 | well I can't |
| 15:20:12 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:20:15 | patlabor221 | you can cus you set it |
| 15:20:20 | doughec | hehe |
| 15:20:26 | patlabor221 | there is probably a server limit |
| 15:20:32 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:21:02 | patlabor221 | if someone could zip up current source and send it to me I can test it |
| 15:21:09 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:21:15 | doughec | its only some wavs.... |
| 15:21:24 | patlabor221 | just replacements? |
| 15:21:34 | doughec | www.heckamangroup.conm/files/data.zip |
| 15:21:35 | patlabor221 | I thought it was all ogg now? |
| 15:21:36 | doughec | yea |
| 15:21:38 | doughec | no |
| 15:21:40 | doughec | for 1.7 |
| 15:21:43 | patlabor221 | ahhh I see |
| 15:22:00 | patlabor221 | bad link |
| 15:22:06 | doughec | hm |
| 15:22:19 | doughec | www.heckamangroup.com/files/data.zip |
| 15:23:19 | blackhound | hi guys |
| 15:23:35 | strayer | hi blackhound |
| 15:23:40 | doughec | hello |
| 15:25:02 | doughec | hey bryjen: can you read the last part of the topic? |
| 15:25:12 | bryjen | i see it |
| 15:25:19 | doughec | all of it? |
| 15:25:20 | ritchie_ | i cant |
| 15:25:27 | doughec | bah |
| 15:25:28 | patlabor221 | interesting sounds |
| 15:25:40 | doughec | hehe |
| 15:25:58 | patlabor221 | I would change the words |
| 15:26:03 | doughec | to what? |
| 15:27:46 | doughec | what would I chnage it to? |
| 15:28:26 | strayer | doughec ...i think the sounds should be an option U can switch on or not....they are to long and 'kill' my concentration |
| 15:28:38 | doughec | hehe |
| 15:28:39 | strayer | i mean the data.zip |
| 15:28:43 | doughec | then replace it... |
| 15:28:49 | doughec | with the old ones |
| 15:29:01 | doughec | there is nothing done to the game itself |
| 15:29:07 | strayer | i would do that.. |
| 15:29:17 | strayer | ...will |
| 15:29:24 | doughec | hehe |
| 15:32:16 | patlabor221 | I would make the sayings consistent |
| 15:32:26 | doughec | like... |
| 15:32:39 | patlabor221 | Your flag has been captured |
| 15:32:45 | patlabor221 | you have capured the flag |
| 15:32:46 | doughec | ok.. |
| 15:32:55 | strayer | hm...better |
| 15:32:59 | doughec | or your team has captured the flag? |
| 15:33:06 | doughec | hrm |
| 15:33:11 | doughec | what voice? |
| 15:33:12 | patlabor221 | dont' use "got" or "Grabed" |
| 15:33:29 | patlabor221 | and the lock on one is wayy to long |
| 15:33:29 | doughec | yea, but what if they just grabed it? |
| 15:33:42 | patlabor221 | say captured |
| 15:33:46 | doughec | ok |
| 15:33:51 | patlabor221 | be consistent |
| 15:33:55 | doughec | ok |
| 15:34:07 | patlabor221 | or just Enimy has your flag |
| 15:34:15 | patlabor221 | You have the enimy flag |
| 15:34:20 | doughec | oh, ok |
| 15:34:23 | patlabor221 | for lock |
| 15:34:26 | patlabor221 | just say |
| 15:34:32 | doughec | spell it correct... |
| 15:34:36 | doughec | and I will make it... |
| 15:34:36 | patlabor221 | "warnging lock deteced" |
| 15:34:37 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:34:48 | doughec | spelling... |
| 15:34:51 | patlabor221 | and it's a bit high piched |
| 15:34:57 | doughec | ok |
| 15:34:59 | patlabor221 | I'ld lower pich a litt |
| 15:35:04 | doughec | I cant change that |
| 15:35:06 | patlabor221 | and posibly slow her down |
| 15:35:12 | doughec | but what about a man speaking? |
| 15:35:21 | doughec | hes lower pitched |
| 15:35:31 | patlabor221 | ok what do each of the waves represent |
| 15:35:32 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 15:35:41 | doughec | um |
| 15:35:45 | patlabor221 | flag alerit is when someone has your flag but not scored? |
| 15:35:50 | doughec | yea |
| 15:35:56 | doughec | like the siren |
| 15:36:01 | patlabor221 | "Enimy has your flag" |
| 15:36:03 | doughec | ok |
| 15:36:08 | doughec | spelling? |
| 15:36:10 | patlabor221 | Flag lost is when they score with your flag? |
| 15:36:16 | doughec | yea |
| 15:36:23 | doughec | enimy? |
| 15:36:24 | patlabor221 | the "enimy has scored" |
| 15:36:42 | doughec | enimy? how do you spell that word? |
| 15:36:51 | patlabor221 | enemy |
| 15:36:53 | doughec | ok |
| 15:36:57 | doughec | and man or women? |
| 15:37:06 | doughec | man is lower pitched |
| 15:37:07 | patlabor221 | woman |
| 15:37:11 | doughec | ok |
| 15:37:16 | patlabor221 | lower the pich on the womman just a but |
| 15:37:18 | patlabor221 | it |
| 15:37:23 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:37:25 | doughec | I can try... |
| 15:37:29 | patlabor221 | flag_won is when you score? |
| 15:37:35 | doughec | yup |
| 15:37:41 | patlabor221 | the "your team scores" |
| 15:37:51 | patlabor221 | or just "score" |
| 15:37:59 | ritchie_ | hi proton |
| 15:38:03 | patlabor221 | the voice is suposed to be from your tank |
| 15:38:11 | doughec | ok |
| 15:38:13 | patlabor221 | so she is asumed to be on "your" team |
| 15:38:21 | doughec | hehe |
| 15:38:34 | patlabor221 | so you don't need to say who it is if it's you |
| 15:38:47 | doughec | ack, ok |
| 15:38:53 | doughec | I need to flush my history.. |
| 15:38:55 | patlabor221 | I would think that "Score" is engugh for that one |
| 15:39:00 | doughec | its using old wavs... |
| 15:39:21 | patlabor221 | for kill team, I do "Alert, friendly fire" |
| 15:39:36 | patlabor221 | and for lock, Just say "warning, lock detected" |
| 15:39:48 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:39:50 | patlabor221 | keem em short, otherwise they will be still talking when the event is over |
| 15:39:54 | doughec | lol |
| 15:40:06 | patlabor221 | 3 seconds is a long time |
| 15:40:22 | doughec | 1 seconcd is good? |
| 15:40:30 | patlabor221 | depends on the action |
| 15:40:36 | patlabor221 | the score ones can be logner |
| 15:40:45 | doughec | ok |
| 15:41:32 | patlabor221 | are you doing these on the mac? |
| 15:41:41 | doughec | no |
| 15:41:45 | doughec | http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/demos/int_us_m.html#us_interactive |
| 15:41:46 | patlabor221 | ohh you should |
| 15:41:55 | doughec | problebly not legal but.... |
| 15:41:56 | doughec | ;) |
| 15:41:58 | doughec | testing |
| 15:41:59 | patlabor221 | ITC agness is a good voice |
| 15:42:02 | doughec | once it works |
| 15:42:06 | doughec | I will do it on the mac |
| 15:42:16 | patlabor221 | the mac has very good voice synth |
| 15:42:20 | doughec | patlabor221: can you compile OS 9 programs? |
| 15:42:29 | patlabor221 | here no |
| 15:42:32 | patlabor221 | at home yes |
| 15:42:36 | doughec | ok |
| 15:42:44 | doughec | could you compile bzflag for OS 9? |
| 15:42:56 | doughec | captain_proton said it works |
| 15:45:52 | captain_proton | no i didn't |
| 15:45:58 | captain_proton | you evil evil man |
| 15:46:04 | doughec | you did to.. |
| 15:46:08 | doughec | right? |
| 15:46:15 | doughec | oh |
| 15:46:16 | doughec | sorry |
| 15:46:20 | doughec | bzflag said so |
| 15:46:36 | doughec | captain_proton: getting the big wigs mixed up... |
| 15:46:39 | captain_proton | i don't believe so |
| 15:46:42 | doughec | yea |
| 15:46:53 | captain_proton | i think he said it works on a mac - not necessarily running Mac OS |
| 15:46:56 | doughec | he said he got bzflag running on OS 9 |
| 15:47:12 | doughec | <BZFlag> doughec: I've played it on os9, and it was fine, but I don't have a system to clean up the install etc. |
| 15:47:19 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 15:47:26 | doughec | <BZFlag> doughec: I was testing 1,7d9, a newer release would of course be preferred. ;-) |
| 15:51:12 | patlabor221 | I don't have GL on my mac at home |
| 15:51:18 | doughec | oh |
| 15:51:19 | [TeA] | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 15:51:20 | doughec | rats |
| 15:51:23 | patlabor221 | it's just a 7100/80 |
| 15:51:26 | doughec | ugh |
| 15:51:30 | [TeA] | hey tad |
| 15:51:33 | doughec | get a g3 at least... |
| 15:51:35 | doughec | hi |
| 15:51:47 | [TeA] | illl come over next summer to Louisville |
| 15:51:50 | patlabor221 | why, I'd rather use a comptuer that has software |
| 15:51:52 | [TeA] | :) |
| 15:51:52 | [TeA] | lol |
| 15:52:11 | doughec | patlabor221: move your drive over to a new mac.. |
| 15:52:53 | patlabor221 | I don't have a new mac |
| 15:52:59 | doughec | get one... |
| 15:52:59 | doughec | ;) |
| 15:53:01 | doughec | anyway |
| 15:53:10 | patlabor221 | and I mean there is no new software to buy for the things |
| 15:53:14 | patlabor221 | that's not on a PC |
| 15:53:15 | doughec | bzfrank said he would look into compiling it... |
| 15:53:32 | doughec | bzfrank has put out a private beta |
| 15:53:39 | doughec | soon there will be a public bete |
| 15:53:43 | doughec | ;) |
| 15:53:55 | patlabor221 | it's gotta be slow on 9.x |
| 15:54:00 | doughec | nah |
| 15:54:14 | patlabor221 | I mean on a non G4 |
| 15:54:18 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:54:28 | patlabor221 | like an Imac |
| 15:54:35 | doughec | does not matter |
| 15:54:37 | patlabor221 | that's only got a litte ATI in it |
| 15:55:00 | patlabor221 | well bz isn't realy pushing graphics limits now anyway |
| 15:55:07 | doughec | yea |
| 15:55:17 | doughec | but p501 will... |
| 15:55:21 | patlabor221 | runs like crap on a little s3 Verge |
| 15:55:22 | doughec | p2501... |
| 15:55:26 | doughec | lol |
| 15:55:30 | patlabor221 | worlds first 3d Decelerator |
| 15:55:39 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:55:56 | patlabor221 | P2501, will do more, but I don't think he's gone all the way that he could |
| 15:56:03 | doughec | ? |
| 15:56:07 | | rumour has it like is it a gateway or and HP or something |
| 15:56:07 | doughec | like what? |
| 15:56:08 | patlabor221 | no shaders |
| 15:56:21 | doughec | shaders? |
| 15:56:24 | doughec | like.. |
| 15:56:26 | patlabor221 | but I'll have to se how he does a lot of stuff |
| 15:56:31 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:56:36 | patlabor221 | vertex and pixel shaders |
| 15:56:40 | patlabor221 | enviroment maps |
| 15:56:44 | patlabor221 | bump maps, ect... |
| 15:56:46 | doughec | oh |
| 15:56:47 | doughec | ok |
| 15:56:56 | doughec | hmm |
| 15:57:53 | patlabor221 | wonder how he does his maps? |
| 15:58:03 | patlabor221 | do you know when he will be releasing it? |
| 15:59:02 | captain_proton | i know he uses milkshape models for everything |
| 15:59:05 | captain_proton | patlabor221: july 4 ;) |
| 15:59:19 | doughec | lol |
| 15:59:30 | doughec | patlabor221: he said 2 days to 2 weeks |
| 15:59:38 | doughec | for the public beta |
| 15:59:40 | patlabor221 | I know,tad bit of overhead in that, but it will make importing easyer |
| 15:59:44 | patlabor221 | it's a nice open format |
| 15:59:46 | captain_proton | doughec: he's been saying that for 2 months |
| 15:59:54 | doughec | hmm |
| 16:00:05 | doughec | hrm |
| 16:00:20 | patlabor221 | wonder if he implemented a skelital deformer |
| 16:00:28 | patlabor221 | format suports it |
| 16:00:28 | doughec | what what???? |
| 16:00:34 | patlabor221 | animated models |
| 16:00:37 | doughec | ah |
| 16:00:40 | doughec | that would be cool |
| 16:00:58 | patlabor221 | milkshape has a full bone based animation system in it |
| 16:01:04 | doughec | hmm |
| 16:01:20 | patlabor221 | ohh cap, can you tell BZFlag that I found what the BZflag logo font is. |
| 16:01:33 | doughec | what is it? |
| 16:01:45 | captain_proton | patlabor221: he was saying that last night |
| 16:01:50 | patlabor221 | Lithos Black |
| 16:01:53 | doughec | hmm |
| 16:01:59 | captain_proton | patlabor221: he checked in the free font, and was dithering over whether to purchase the real one |
| 16:02:14 | patlabor221 | I have a postscript version here |
| 16:02:28 | doughec | tsk, tsk |
| 16:02:36 | patlabor221 | dude we own it |
| 16:02:55 | doughec | yea, but you cant give it to bzflag... |
| 16:02:56 | patlabor221 | so I can make him anyting he wants with it, if he does not want to buy it |
| 16:03:03 | doughec | oh |
| 16:03:03 | patlabor221 | I wasn't going to |
| 16:03:04 | doughec | ;) |
| 16:03:10 | doughec | I think I have it somewhere... |
| 16:03:17 | patlabor221 | I was working on a new logo |
| 16:03:19 | patlabor221 | beter crome |
| 16:03:28 | doughec | lol |
| 16:03:36 | doughec | all I have is mac fonts... |
| 16:03:47 | doughec | I gotta convert them to PC fonts... |
| 16:03:49 | patlabor221 | it exists on the mac |
| 16:04:01 | patlabor221 | but do you own it? |
| 16:04:04 | doughec | yah |
| 16:04:11 | doughec | or my dad does... |
| 16:05:21 | captain_proton | patlabor221: actually - whilst your at it... |
| 16:05:41 | captain_proton | patlabor221: riker doesn't like the skinniness of new/, but the header graphic i made doesn't scale horizontally |
| 16:06:04 | captain_proton | patlabor221: so, if you want to make something that fades into a certain color on the left (so it can just be right aligned on the page), i wouldn't mind |
| 16:06:15 | | image is probably 256x256? |
| 16:06:15 | patlabor221 | what image? |
| 16:06:26 | patlabor221 | I'm feeling artisitc today :) |
| 16:06:31 | doughec | lol |
| 16:06:35 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/new/ |
| 16:06:46 | patlabor221 | ohh ok |
| 16:07:04 | patlabor221 | you want it that size? |
| 16:07:28 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:07:36 | | patlabor221: I forgot image |
| 16:07:36 | patlabor221 | ibot: forget image |
| 16:07:36 | captain_proton | but something that could go into a wider table |
| 16:07:45 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 16:08:13 | | Sheesh, I sure wish dinah would stop it with the bobots already! |
| 16:08:13 | patlabor221 | ibot: bobots? |
| 16:08:18 | captain_proton | omg at this spam: |
| 16:08:22 | patlabor221 | gahhh |
| 16:08:24 | captain_proton | Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by |
| 16:08:24 | captain_proton | (kcapra19@aol.com) on Monday, July 22, 2002 at 21:55:53 |
| 16:08:52 | patlabor221 | what's your favorate color? |
| 16:09:56 | captain_proton | i'd have to say dark teal/silver, but teal doesn't work for bzflag ;) |
| 16:10:07 | captain_proton | woohoo, looks like the from address isn't forged |
| 16:12:31 | doughec | LOL |
| 16:12:35 | doughec | hm |
| 16:14:42 | captain_proton | sends a scary email |
| 16:14:49 | bryjen | hmmm, why oh why did my IRC client turn 21:55:53 into a http link? silly softwares...... |
| 16:15:50 | captain_proton | bryjen: looks like about 1/2 an ipv6 address |
| 16:16:09 | captain_proton | By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the |
| 16:16:09 | captain_proton | definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful |
| 16:16:09 | captain_proton | to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), |
| 16:16:09 | captain_proton | a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover |
| 16:16:10 | captain_proton | actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. |
| 16:16:26 | captain_proton | grins |
| 16:17:31 | captain_proton | not exactly true, but it scares away the spammers |
| 16:19:55 | bryjen | reads the sign over cp's inbox: No Trespassing. Violators Persecuted. |
| 16:20:08 | captain_proton | sends a nasty letter to ITS, imploring them to spam-proof the campus database |
| 16:20:30 | bryjen | or was that Persecutors will be Violated? |
| 16:20:38 | captain_proton | bryjen: either/or |
| 16:23:12 | doughec | lo |
| 16:24:26 | patlabor221 | ok cap, got an image for you too look at |
| 16:24:40 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/NewBZCopy.jpg |
| 16:24:48 | [TeA] | patlabor ;) |
| 16:24:49 | patlabor221 | asuming i typed it right :) |
| 16:25:00 | [TeA] | talking to me ? |
| 16:25:01 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 16:25:03 | patlabor221 | no |
| 16:25:05 | patlabor221 | cap |
| 16:25:06 | [TeA] | lol |
| 16:25:10 | captain_proton | hey |
| 16:25:11 | captain_proton | pat |
| 16:25:11 | [TeA] | hi cap := |
| 16:25:18 | [TeA] | :=) |
| 16:25:24 | captain_proton | ooh wasn't paying attention |
| 16:25:26 | captain_proton | goes to look |
| 16:25:35 | patlabor221 | I think I want to move the tank image |
| 16:25:36 | [TeA] | [meq] vs [ult] |
| 16:25:46 | captain_proton | looks around for other meq teammembers |
| 16:26:10 | captain_proton | patlabor221: that chrome is so pluginy |
| 16:26:22 | captain_proton | gradienty |
| 16:26:28 | patlabor221 | yes yes it is |
| 16:26:39 | patlabor221 | this is just a quick idea |
| 16:27:02 | patlabor221 | it's not a plugin tho, they moved it into the app proper :) |
| 16:27:42 | patlabor221 | its just the OG one is soo bland |
| 16:28:42 | captain_proton | what about doing a brushed metal filter + a lighting gradient + highlites? |
| 16:28:52 | patlabor221 | perhaps |
| 16:29:02 | patlabor221 | but it's all going to be grays |
| 16:29:37 | patlabor221 | I will do variations |
| 16:29:48 | patlabor221 | so that mr. flag can see them all |
| 16:30:46 | captain_proton | patlabor221: whats the hex code of the color on the left side of that image? |
| 16:31:10 | patlabor221 | #013571 |
| 16:31:22 | patlabor221 | I like blue :) |
| 16:32:49 | doughec | patlabor221: what are you using to do this? |
| 16:33:03 | patlabor221 | photoshop |
| 16:33:08 | doughec | ah |
| 16:36:04 | strayer | TeA ...wanna show the bug everyone...he? |
| 16:36:14 | doughec | bug? |
| 16:36:40 | strayer | only a small one in 1.7e6 ...is documented |
| 16:36:48 | doughec | what is it? |
| 16:36:56 | doughec | the super jump? |
| 16:36:59 | strayer | jep |
| 16:37:07 | doughec | hehe |
| 16:38:35 | doughec | how do you the the bug? |
| 16:38:38 | doughec | er |
| 16:38:44 | doughec | turn the bug on... |
| 16:38:49 | | hmmm... lag is very bad here :( |
| 16:38:49 | doughec | lag? |
| 16:39:04 | | Sorry, doughec, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 16:39:04 | doughec | ibot: shutup |
| 16:39:32 | strayer | hehe...don't know exactly....ask TeA or chestal or so... |
| 16:39:37 | doughec | heh |
| 16:39:41 | bryjen | triggered by jumping + a low frame rate (FPS) |
| 16:39:48 | doughec | oh |
| 16:39:49 | doughec | hmm |
| 16:40:38 | captain_proton | hacks up his system to look like sourceforge |
| 16:40:44 | doughec | hehe |
| 16:41:10 | strayer | :) |
| 16:42:19 | doughec | LOL |
| 16:42:25 | doughec | the bug is pretty cool |
| 16:42:31 | doughec | I got 4 FPS |
| 16:42:32 | doughec | ;) |
| 16:42:44 | doughec | jumped clear across the map |
| 16:42:45 | doughec | ;) |
| 16:43:01 | ritchie_ | how did u do it? |
| 16:45:08 | doughec | hmm |
| 16:45:33 | captain_proton | when your framerate sucks, you super jump |
| 16:45:38 | doughec | lol |
| 16:45:47 | doughec | I got 3 FPS in map city |
| 16:45:55 | doughec | with lighting and shadows on |
| 16:46:12 | doughec | oh yea, and I turned the resolution to the max refresh rate |
| 16:46:18 | captain_proton | 'lo scanline |
| 16:46:22 | scanline | hiya captain_proton |
| 16:46:29 | captain_proton | how goes the summer? |
| 16:46:35 | scanline | pretty good so far |
| 16:47:18 | scanline | some traveling, lots of lan parties... |
| 16:57:27 | captain_proton | so what brings you to #bzflag on this fine afternoon? |
| 16:58:16 | scanline | Just thought I'd drop by :) |
| 17:04:05 | doughec | captain_proton: how will karma work? |
| 17:04:14 | captain_proton | doughec: read doc/karma.txt |
| 17:04:18 | doughec | erk |
| 17:04:21 | doughec | ok |
| 17:04:38 | doughec | lol |
| 17:04:40 | doughec | ibook? |
| 17:05:03 | scanline[ibook] | hmm? |
| 17:05:23 | doughec | hrm |
| 17:05:25 | scanline[ibook] | the iBook runs linux really well |
| 17:05:32 | doughec | cool |
| 17:05:36 | doughec | runs bzflag? |
| 17:06:14 | scanline[ibook] | I ran bzflag under MacOS X on here before I installed Linux... I still haven't tried it under linux, but it should work, I have DRI running fine |
| 17:06:26 | doughec | hehe |
| 17:06:56 | ^john | widget? |
| 17:07:06 | captain_proton | scanline[ibook]: you should see my sexy new cd player :) |
| 17:07:11 | doughec | ^john: hey |
| 17:07:34 | scanline[ibook] | captain_proton: CD-ROM drive connected to zaurus via homemade IDE CF card? |
| 17:07:48 | captain_proton | scanline[ibook]: no, a toy i bought in japan |
| 17:07:52 | scanline[ibook] | hehe |
| 17:09:09 | captain_proton | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/servers/list.php <- oh, if this would only work on sourceforge |
| 17:09:32 | doughec | why wont it? |
| 17:09:40 | captain_proton | because they don't allow outgoing connections |
| 17:09:47 | doughec | hmm |
| 17:15:34 | bryjen | captain_proton: neat. seperate tables spread it out a bit tho |
| 17:18:01 | captain_proton | bryjen: its all moot though - i wrote that a while ago, but it won't work, so... |
| 17:20:33 | captain_proton | there we go, centered the logo image |
| 17:21:06 | captain_proton | shows off his table-fu |
| 17:21:24 | bryjen | i was thinking the other day (*gasp*) that a little program to scan all active servers to locate a given callsign would be helpful when trying to round up CTF teams |
| 17:21:56 | doughec | hmm |
| 17:21:57 | doughec | yea |
| 17:22:06 | doughec | would be easy to make... |
| 17:22:12 | Chestal | but t shouldn't be used to often to avoid hammerign the servers |
| 17:22:21 | Chestal | and of course it will only work with servers which are not full |
| 17:22:30 | doughec | not really |
| 17:22:37 | doughec | have it oberver |
| 17:22:55 | Chestal | it doesn't have to really login |
| 17:22:56 | doughec | so then it could join ducati and servers like that... |
| 17:23:01 | Chestal | so it's neither observer nor player |
| 17:23:04 | doughec | oh... |
| 17:23:06 | doughec | hmm |
| 17:23:13 | Chestal | but the number of slots (players+observers) is still limited |
| 17:23:19 | doughec | oh.... |
| 17:23:30 | Chestal | the same with bzfquery, won't work on a server which is full |
| 17:23:36 | doughec | ah |
| 17:23:48 | doughec | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 17:23:49 | bzbot | Red: 2 players, score: 7 | Green: 2 players, score: -8 | |
| 17:23:53 | doughec | ack |
| 17:23:56 | doughec | off I go to ducati |
| 17:24:07 | Chestal | I guess, the list server coudl actualyl store the callsigns |
| 17:24:39 | Chestal | but maybe not, haven't looked into that protocol |
| 17:26:24 | captain_proton | bryjen: apathy has a java applet that shows you who is on all the servers |
| 17:27:48 | doughec | yea, but he needs to make it searchable |
| 17:27:58 | doughec | just stick a search menu on it.. |
| 17:28:08 | bryjen | cp: yeah, i was just looking for that. |
| 17:28:21 | doughec | Chestal: like my new sounds? |
| 17:28:41 | Chestal | I haven't seen or heard new sounds |
| 17:28:46 | doughec | hmm |
| 17:28:54 | doughec | in the topic |
| 17:29:02 | Chestal | I never read the topic :-9 |
| 17:29:06 | doughec | lol |
| 17:29:12 | Chestal | it's too full all the time |
| 17:29:22 | doughec | you cant read a full topic? |
| 17:29:40 | doughec | http://heckamangroup.com/files/sound.zip <<< new sound effects | |
| 17:29:42 | Chestal | I can, but it's hard to read |
| 17:29:47 | doughec | heh |
| 17:29:55 | Chestal | and I am too lazy to try new soudn files anyway |
| 17:30:00 | doughec | ack |
| 17:30:07 | doughec | Why I do even ask... |
| 17:30:08 | doughec | ;) |
| 17:30:12 | doughec | hehe |
| 18:19:59 | [TeA] | waaaaaah |
| 18:20:01 | [TeA] | hello all |
| 18:20:10 | [TeA] | Chestal :o((((((( |
| 18:39:32 | Gorb | nasdaq red again |
| 18:41:12 | [TeA] | ( |
| 18:41:13 | [TeA] | http://www.nichlustig.de/TeA |
| 18:41:33 | Gorb | haha |
| 18:45:50 | captain_proton | hmm where is tim |
| 18:45:58 | doughec | sleeping |
| 18:46:07 | | bzflag was last seen on #bzflag 6 hours, 57 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: gcc should work on osx, but for os9 etc you probably need a commercial package. I don't have a mac development system setup here. [Tue Jul 23 12:48:58 2002] |
| 18:46:07 | doughec | ibot seen bzflag |
| 18:46:15 | doughec | hrm |
| 18:47:30 | | cell was last seen on #bzflag 2 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: yes, why not [Sat Jul 20 21:53:35 2002] |
| 18:47:30 | Gorb | ibot seen cell |
| 18:47:39 | Gorb | lol |
| 18:48:09 | Gorb | whats this ibot? |
| 18:48:15 | doughec | a bot |
| 18:48:20 | strayer | :) |
| 18:48:21 | Gorb | a script |
| 18:48:35 | | yes, Chestal? |
| 18:48:35 | Chestal | ibot? |
| 18:48:40 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 18:48:40 | Chestal | ibot: who are you? |
| 18:48:46 | Gorb | nice |
| 18:48:52 | doughec | ibot help |
| 18:49:10 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 18:49:10 | Gorb | ibot ibot |
| 18:49:23 | | ibot was last seen on #zaurus 169 days, 13 hours, 40 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: what ? [Mon Feb 4 05:08:46 2002] |
| 18:49:23 | Gorb | ibot seen ibot |
| 18:49:32 | Gorb | lol |
| 18:49:56 | | Sorry, captain_proton, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 18:49:56 | captain_proton | ibot: shut up |
| 18:50:04 | | doughec: t's an ID-10-T error |
| 18:50:04 | doughec | ibot excuse |
| 18:50:19 | Gorb | :-) |
| 18:50:26 | | Yay for smack ramen! |
| 18:50:26 | doughec | ibot botsmack |
| 18:50:34 | jpablo | morning people. |
| 18:50:34 | | Yay for smack ramen! |
| 18:50:34 | doughec | ibot botsmack |
| 18:50:39 | jpablo | rainy day. |
| 18:50:43 | Gorb | nice pet |
| 18:50:43 | | I'm meditating on the FORMALDEHYDE and the ASBESTOS leaking into my PERSONAL SPACE!! |
| 18:50:43 | doughec | ibot yow |
| 18:50:51 | doughec | hehe |
| 18:50:57 | Gorb | great |
| 18:51:19 | captain_proton | no yow! |
| 18:51:38 | | doughec: sorry... |
| 18:51:38 | doughec | ibot no yow! |
| 18:52:09 | | ibot was last seen on #zaurus 169 days, 13 hours, 43 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: what ? [Mon Feb 4 05:08:46 2002] |
| 18:52:09 | Gorb | ibot seen ibot seen |
| 18:52:14 | Gorb | k |
| 18:52:28 | | Gorb is nothing but a fulminating assload of penguin-molesting snake bait. |
| 18:52:28 | doughec | ibot insult Gorb |
| 18:52:36 | Gorb | hey |
| 18:52:41 | doughec | yuk |
| 18:52:51 | strayer | nice |
| 18:52:56 | Gorb | yes |
| 18:53:50 | | i don't know, gorb |
| 18:53:50 | Gorb | ibot tell me who is the greatest c++ coder in the world |
| 18:53:56 | Gorb | bad |
| 18:54:04 | Gorb | bad pet |
| 18:54:16 | | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 18:54:16 | doughec | ibot bad |
| 18:54:20 | doughec | haha |
| 18:54:22 | Gorb | lol |
| 18:55:57 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 18:56:39 | doughec | sighs |
| 18:57:58 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:58:05 | captain_proton | would 'boomerang bullet' be a good or bad flag? |
| 18:58:23 | doughec | hmm |
| 18:58:25 | doughec | bad |
| 18:58:32 | strayer | hm ....for doughec...good |
| 18:58:55 | doughec | why? |
| 18:59:14 | doughec | it would be bad because you would get hit.... |
| 18:59:23 | Gorb | hahahaha |
| 18:59:32 | strayer | wanna see U dying :) |
| 18:59:40 | doughec | hahaha |
| 18:59:46 | doughec | I said YOU would get hit... |
| 18:59:50 | doughec | ;) |
| 19:00:11 | strayer | never....never by Ur shot....*g*g |
| 19:00:14 | strayer | * |
| 19:00:29 | captain_proton | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/developers/flags.php |
| 19:00:30 | doughec | I have hit you many times |
| 19:00:55 | strayer | hm....cannot remember :p |
| 19:01:02 | doughec | under other namea |
| 19:01:03 | doughec | names |
| 19:01:40 | strayer | ?....nearly use never other nicks |
| 19:01:57 | doughec | ah |
| 19:01:58 | strayer | cap_pro 'Don't add flags that (almost) instantly kill the owner.' |
| 19:02:09 | Gorb | hey make a random flag that changes after every one/ two or three shots |
| 19:02:09 | doughec | but I like going anonymous sometimes |
| 19:02:17 | captain_proton | strayer: right |
| 19:02:23 | captain_proton | strayer: 'death' flags aren't fun |
| 19:02:36 | doughec | yea |
| 19:02:42 | strayer | hehe |
| 19:05:08 | captain_proton | dances |
| 19:05:14 | Chestal | h, I ust thought about a reflect flag |
| 19:05:24 | captain_proton | Chestal: explain? |
| 19:05:33 | doughec | yea! |
| 19:05:41 | doughec | like in P2501 |
| 19:05:50 | Chestal | when you get hit, you die as usual, but shot isn't stopped, but is reflected, i.e. it's direction is reversed |
| 19:05:53 | captain_proton | doughec: shaddup, you've never played p2501 |
| 19:06:02 | Chestal | so anyone shootign you from close distance, will probably be dead, too |
| 19:06:03 | doughec | I read the bloody web site... |
| 19:06:13 | captain_proton | Chestal: i'll add it to the list |
| 19:06:36 | captain_proton | Chestal: good/bad? |
| 19:06:36 | Chestal | I think this is only interestign, when the attacker knows that you have the flag |
| 19:06:42 | Chestal | well, it's a good flag |
| 19:06:47 | Gorb | how about a flag that turns ur tank into a cookie |
| 19:07:03 | doughec | Gorb: shaddup |
| 19:07:33 | captain_proton | Gorb: give us a patch, then we'll consider, k? |
| 19:07:35 | Gorb | hey why its my best idea |
| 19:07:45 | strayer | oh lord... |
| 19:08:02 | captain_proton | Chestal: any others you can think of? |
| 19:08:11 | Chestal | captain_proton: hmm, not right now |
| 19:08:28 | captain_proton | i think magnet/force field would be great flags |
| 19:08:43 | strayer | explain please cap |
| 19:08:45 | captain_proton | a good player could use magnet to slingshot bullets around |
| 19:08:58 | captain_proton | strayer: magnet attracts nearby shots, force field does opposite |
| 19:09:05 | captain_proton | well aimed shots would still hit with FF |
| 19:09:07 | Chestal | how about a flag which allows you to see reflections of tanks on walls, good for aiming rico |
| 19:09:16 | strayer | hm... |
| 19:09:20 | doughec | hm |
| 19:09:27 | doughec | Chestal: that would be great |
| 19:09:27 | Gorb | how about russian roulette flag |
| 19:09:29 | captain_proton | Chestal: hmm - 'mirror' ? |
| 19:09:54 | strayer | so U can see if Ur shot will hit |
| 19:09:54 | [TeA] | bye all |
| 19:09:59 | Chestal | proton: that would be an ok name, I have no idea if this is feasible, but we are collecting ideas, right? |
| 19:10:02 | strayer | bye TEA |
| 19:10:09 | captain_proton | Chestal: right |
| 19:10:58 | captain_proton | mirror added to the list |
| 19:11:22 | captain_proton | Chestal: i can think of how to implement it though |
| 19:11:36 | captain_proton | render to texture, then throw on the building as a decal |
| 19:11:38 | strayer | hm....vice versa-flag - a flag that reversews Ur mousemoves? |
| 19:11:41 | Chestal | another idea: an intelligent shot that only kills enemy tanks. Two possibilities: 1) it passes through friendly tanks unharmed 2) it automatically evades friendly tanks, maybe by going up and flying just above friendly tank, then goign down to ground level again |
| 19:11:57 | doughec | oooh |
| 19:12:00 | Gorb | let me explain russian roulett flag: if u get this flag u must press the shot button, if u have luck u will not die and the roulette is moved to an randomly other player, until one player gets killed or all players have played around of roulette |
| 19:12:05 | Chestal | hmm, or make it a cruise missile, jsut fly streaight on, but evade friendl tanks or obstacles like described above |
| 19:12:30 | strayer | chestal: my idea is better...we need new bad flags |
| 19:12:45 | patlabor221 | hey cap |
| 19:12:51 | captain_proton | hey patlabor221 |
| 19:12:54 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/logo/ |
| 19:12:57 | patlabor221 | some variations |
| 19:13:02 | patlabor221 | on a theme |
| 19:13:04 | captain_proton | strayer: look on that page for 'reverse' |
| 19:13:36 | doughec | that web page is not loading |
| 19:13:49 | patlabor221 | does for me |
| 19:14:21 | strayer | cap_pro ...oh i'm sorryx |
| 19:14:21 | doughec | no |
| 19:14:26 | strayer | cap_pro ...oh i'm sorry |
| 19:14:29 | doughec | I mean captain_protons web page |
| 19:14:36 | captain_proton | doughec: try now |
| 19:14:41 | strayer | s |
| 19:15:03 | doughec | nope |
| 19:15:11 | captain_proton | patlabor221: think you could take that first one and change the chrome on 'BZFLAG' ? |
| 19:15:29 | patlabor221 | to? |
| 19:15:34 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i'd like some sort of shiny brushed metal type thing |
| 19:15:37 | doughec | I like the 3rd one... |
| 19:15:59 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 19:16:32 | patlabor221 | the filterd brushed steel ones looked wierd, but I'm working wiht some source art now to see what I could do |
| 19:16:45 | patlabor221 | there isn't a lot of space tho |
| 19:17:22 | captain_proton | patlabor221: gimp has a really nice brushed metal filter - lemme zip you up a 256x256 texture |
| 19:17:27 | patlabor221 | k |
| 19:18:58 | strayer | bye folks... |
| 19:19:50 | Chestal | othter strange ideas: mimic - makes your tank look like a pyramid; ??? - shot speed incrases by 50% after each rico |
| 19:20:16 | doughec | i like the shot thing... |
| 19:20:55 | doughec | how about a bullet that goes through pyramids, but bouces off if buildings |
| 19:21:09 | doughec | so it can bounce around for awhile... |
| 19:21:37 | captain_proton | erk |
| 19:21:42 | captain_proton | where'd the brushed metal go |
| 19:22:19 | doughec | bah, your website does not work cappy... |
| 19:22:21 | doughec | wierd |
| 19:22:29 | captain_proton | doughec: ? |
| 19:22:37 | doughec | your website |
| 19:22:53 | doughec | it just sits there |
| 19:22:57 | doughec | doing nothing... |
| 19:25:48 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-23 19:38:32 | NVIDIA Cg Compiler Technology to be Open Source | ISO Could Withdraw JPEG Standard | Mandrake Linux 9.0 Beta 1 | UK Sets Open Source Procurement Policy |
| 19:25:48 | doughec | ibot slashdot |
| 19:26:25 | patlabor221 | cap I put up a #5 variation for you too look at |
| 19:27:02 | patlabor221 | dosn't look like real ground steel tho |
| 19:27:16 | patlabor221 | should just get a grinder and a scanner :) |
| 19:27:29 | doughec | hehe |
| 19:28:00 | captain_proton | patlabor221: yeah, thats fugly |
| 19:28:09 | patlabor221 | most filterd ones are |
| 19:28:36 | patlabor221 | the rust one was photosourced |
| 19:28:42 | patlabor221 | looking for a ground steel one now |
| 19:28:42 | captain_proton | i don't know where my gimp filter went |
| 19:29:01 | captain_proton | lemme see if ozones has a good one |
| 19:33:59 | captain_proton | http://www.ozones.com/backgrounds/BKG5/steel3.jpeg |
| 19:35:08 | patlabor221 | hmm it's very purpley |
| 19:35:28 | doughec | thats a new word.. |
| 19:35:37 | doughec | purpley.. |
| 19:35:38 | doughec | ;) |
| 19:35:49 | captain_proton | yeah - perhaps change the saturation |
| 19:36:07 | captain_proton | damn |
| 19:36:09 | doughec | pu? |
| 19:36:20 | captain_proton | there we go |
| 19:36:20 | doughec | lol |
| 19:37:15 | patlabor221 | ok look at #5 again |
| 19:37:21 | captain_proton | patlabor221: another - http://www.ozones.com/backgrounds/BKG8/steel.jpeg |
| 19:37:36 | patlabor221 | that's the same texture just ajusted |
| 19:37:40 | doughec | patlabor221: looks cool |
| 19:38:02 | patlabor221 | God I love layers |
| 19:38:08 | doughec | lol |
| 19:40:10 | patlabor221 | there's a 6 up there now |
| 19:40:34 | captain_proton | reloads |
| 19:40:48 | doughec | hmm |
| 19:40:50 | doughec | better... |
| 19:40:55 | patlabor221 | Use HEAT rounds this time |
| 19:41:09 | captain_proton | HEAT rounds? |
| 19:41:16 | patlabor221 | when you reload |
| 19:41:26 | arathorn | hi all |
| 19:41:31 | patlabor221 | High Explosive Anti-Tank |
| 19:41:33 | doughec | used against personell |
| 19:41:39 | captain_proton | i think 6 will work if i add some hilightes to it |
| 19:41:41 | doughec | at least I do |
| 19:41:42 | patlabor221 | no those are HEAP |
| 19:41:46 | doughec | oh |
| 19:41:50 | doughec | what are sabot? |
| 19:42:00 | patlabor221 | any round can have a sabot |
| 19:42:07 | doughec | hmm! |
| 19:42:19 | patlabor221 | usualy anit armor tho for beter tragetory |
| 19:42:27 | doughec | hrm |
| 19:42:28 | patlabor221 | FSDS-AP |
| 19:42:33 | patlabor221 | is what your thinking of |
| 19:42:38 | doughec | Mmm |
| 19:42:40 | patlabor221 | cluster rounds |
| 19:42:40 | doughec | I think |
| 19:44:13 | doughec | there for I live |
| 19:44:53 | patlabor221 | where do you want highlights cap? I can add them to the PSD that's busted into layers |
| 19:45:07 | doughec | heh |
| 19:45:23 | patlabor221 | how is that funnY? |
| 19:45:42 | doughec | I said heh |
| 19:45:46 | doughec | not hehe |
| 19:45:48 | doughec | or haha |
| 19:45:49 | doughec | or lol |
| 19:45:52 | doughec | I said heh |
| 19:45:53 | patlabor221 | and heh is a samll laugh |
| 19:46:02 | patlabor221 | almsot a chuckle |
| 19:46:08 | doughec | heh is a grunt |
| 19:46:12 | doughec | hehe |
| 19:46:21 | patlabor221 | why are you constantly grunting? |
| 19:46:30 | doughec | grunts |
| 19:46:30 | patlabor221 | get more fiber in you |
| 19:46:36 | doughec | yuk |
| 19:46:41 | patlabor221 | or x-lax or something |
| 19:46:43 | arathorn | cya all |
| 19:48:48 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hmm, i just added them |
| 19:48:59 | patlabor221 | leme see |
| 19:49:07 | captain_proton | patlabor221: inside the letters, dark on the upper left, light on the lower right |
| 19:49:12 | captain_proton | very subtle effect |
| 19:50:06 | captain_proton | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/images/logo6.png |
| 19:50:29 | patlabor221 | I can't get to that port |
| 19:50:44 | captain_proton | no? |
| 19:50:46 | doughec | me neither |
| 19:50:49 | captain_proton | can you dcc accept? |
| 19:50:52 | patlabor221 | but that is oposet of the light dir used for shadows |
| 19:50:55 | patlabor221 | I'm firewalled |
| 19:50:59 | doughec | me too |
| 19:51:00 | doughec | ;) |
| 19:51:07 | doughec | akira_!!!! |
| 19:51:08 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i don't think that matters for accept |
| 19:51:14 | patlabor221 | it's blocked |
| 19:51:17 | akira_ | moin |
| 19:51:20 | doughec | greetings and salutations |
| 19:51:33 | captain_proton | patlabor221: on recieve, you connect to me |
| 19:51:35 | akira_ | doughec: for what? |
| 19:51:36 | captain_proton | you can't send |
| 19:51:37 | patlabor221 | wel block damn dear everything at the router here |
| 19:51:45 | akira_ | captain_proton: did you some stuff with glx pbuffers? |
| 19:51:54 | captain_proton | akira_: nope |
| 19:51:55 | doughec | hehe |
| 19:52:16 | doughec | how do you post anonymously on the forums? |
| 19:52:17 | patlabor221 | ohh I can just increase the bevel and do that |
| 19:52:24 | doughec | bzflag.de... |
| 19:52:36 | captain_proton | patlabor221: once we get this chrome sorted out, can you make a second logo with 'CTF-league' in the same lettering above 'http://BZFlag.org' ? |
| 19:53:24 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:53:35 | patlabor221 | do you want to wait and see what one Tim likes? |
| 19:53:36 | akira_ | doughec: i dont post anonymously ... |
| 19:53:52 | doughec | other people do |
| 19:53:56 | Chestal | is this logo stuff for the new bzflag homepage? |
| 19:54:00 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i don't really think he'll care - his biggest concern was that the horizontal size not be fixed |
| 19:54:05 | captain_proton | Chestal: *nod* |
| 19:54:12 | patlabor221 | the first ting about posting anonmously is.. don't tell anyone that your going to do it, or they will know |
| 19:54:17 | Chestal | we really need some nice screenshots on there |
| 19:54:25 | doughec | I am not posting anonymously |
| 19:54:31 | doughec | just wondering how I could |
| 19:54:32 | Chestal | whenever I stumble upon a page about some linux game, I always go for the screenshots first |
| 19:54:43 | captain_proton | Chestal: if we can get a 1.8 game going i can do lots of screenshots |
| 19:54:57 | captain_proton | i refuse to do 1.7 screenshots because there's no gamma correction |
| 19:55:03 | doughec | captain_proton: is there a windows binary of 1.8? |
| 19:55:05 | patlabor221 | whiner |
| 19:55:13 | patlabor221 | build one |
| 19:55:14 | captain_proton | doughec: apathy might have updated the one on his page |
| 19:55:17 | Chestal | ah, I remember, that gamma correction thing. But that can be easily applied later? |
| 19:55:17 | akira_ | hello monkey |
| 19:55:18 | doughec | cant |
| 19:55:24 | captain_proton | Chestal: yeah, but i'm lazy |
| 19:55:25 | m0nkeyb0y | hello |
| 19:55:33 | Chestal | captain_proton: I can apply the gamma :-) |
| 19:55:34 | captain_proton | Chestal: i like to just do the netpbm conversions and be done with it |
| 19:55:42 | doughec | bloody vorbis libs |
| 19:55:48 | Chestal | captain_proton: ppm tools have gamma correction |
| 19:55:49 | doughec | cant figure out how to do it.... |
| 19:55:57 | Chestal | hi monkey |
| 19:56:02 | captain_proton | Chestal: ppblffff |
| 19:56:04 | m0nkeyb0y | hi ches |
| 19:56:07 | akira_ | doughec: what? make oggs? |
| 19:56:13 | doughec | in 1.8 |
| 19:56:15 | doughec | or for 1.8 |
| 19:56:19 | Chestal | I just think that 1.7 rendering is still more complete, isn't it? |
| 19:56:34 | Chestal | and 1.8 screenshots would lie a little about how 1.7 looks |
| 19:57:07 | patlabor221 | making 1.8 is easy, just pop the vorbis headers into the inc dir and the libs into the win32 folder and build all |
| 19:57:21 | doughec | ?? |
| 19:57:22 | doughec | ok |
| 19:57:26 | doughec | I shall try... |
| 19:57:39 | m0nkeyb0y | hmmm |
| 19:57:40 | doughec | could someone get me the 1.8 cvs? |
| 19:57:48 | doughec | I dont have my cvs program anymore... |
| 19:58:10 | akira_ | doughec: then get your cvs !! |
| 19:58:31 | doughec | i cant find it!!!! |
| 19:58:39 | doughec | I reforematted my drive.. |
| 19:58:46 | doughec | not there anylonger... |
| 19:58:49 | patlabor221 | got get tourtice CVS is good |
| 19:58:56 | patlabor221 | integrates rignt into the shell |
| 19:59:03 | captain_proton | tourtice? |
| 19:59:05 | akira_ | hello monkey |
| 19:59:06 | m0nkey_b0y | ahh better |
| 19:59:08 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:59:08 | m0nkey_b0y | hi |
| 19:59:11 | doughec | ? |
| 19:59:14 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 19:59:15 | doughec | where is it? |
| 19:59:20 | captain_proton | doughec: google.com |
| 19:59:26 | doughec | hmm |
| 19:59:29 | patlabor221 | same palce everything is at |
| 19:59:34 | patlabor221 | just spell it correclty |
| 19:59:38 | patlabor221 | unlike I do |
| 19:59:43 | doughec | that web page has lots of web pages... |
| 19:59:43 | doughec | ;) |
| 19:59:45 | doughec | heheh |
| 20:00:37 | doughec | http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ |
| 20:00:45 | doughec | duh, 3 times |
| 20:01:24 | captain_proton | geez patlabor221 you can't speel anything |
| 20:01:51 | akira_ | patlabor221: this looks pretty cool |
| 20:02:13 | doughec | what vorbis stuff do I get? |
| 20:02:16 | m0nkey_b0y | are you looking at each others pics again???? |
| 20:02:18 | captain_proton | doughec: the SDK |
| 20:02:29 | doughec | ok |
| 20:02:35 | patlabor221 | www.vorbis.org |
| 20:02:36 | patlabor221 | think |
| 20:02:46 | doughec | downloading.. |
| 20:02:48 | akira_ | correct |
| 20:02:59 | akira_ | or xiph.org i guess |
| 20:03:07 | captain_proton | xiph.org is where i've always gone |
| 20:03:13 | doughec | ack, a reboot! |
| 20:03:24 | doughec | I need a reboot... |
| 20:03:31 | patlabor221 | you'll live |
| 20:03:32 | | microsoft is evil! |
| 20:03:32 | doughec | ibot microsoft? |
| 20:03:43 | doughec | right on... |
| 20:03:45 | patlabor221 | then don't use it and shut up |
| 20:03:46 | doughec | sighs |
| 20:04:04 | doughec | brb, brb |
| 20:04:18 | | bryjen: i'm not following you... |
| 20:04:18 | bryjen | ibot: doughec |
| 20:04:30 | patlabor221 | that prety much describes him |
| 20:04:31 | bryjen | .....just curious. |
| 20:04:35 | akira_ | win32 _is_ evil ... |
| 20:04:35 | bryjen | LOL |
| 20:04:45 | patlabor221 | not evil just difrent |
| 20:04:51 | akira_ | evil |
| 20:04:53 | patlabor221 | mac clasic API is EVIL |
| 20:04:55 | captain_proton | software upgrades requiring reboots is evil |
| 20:04:58 | captain_proton | patlabor221: that too |
| 20:04:59 | akira_ | win32 wants to phone home :) |
| 20:05:12 | patlabor221 | ok there is a 7 and an 8 up now |
| 20:05:17 | jpablo | wow a GTK+ program in asm. |
| 20:05:20 | akira_ | patlabor221: was very amused to see the pascalstrings or whatever it was :)) |
| 20:05:37 | jpablo | and it works. |
| 20:05:50 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i meant lettering the same as 'http://BZFlag.org' was in |
| 20:05:57 | captain_proton | and its speeled 'league' |
| 20:05:58 | patlabor221 | well that's what you got to do when you worte the OS in pascall back in the day |
| 20:06:11 | patlabor221 | bah to theengrish |
| 20:06:19 | captain_proton | and the bevel was backwards from the way i did it ;) |
| 20:06:34 | captain_proton | other than that, good job |
| 20:06:34 | patlabor221 | I know it all folows the same light source |
| 20:06:44 | patlabor221 | yours was the wrong way from the shadows |
| 20:06:58 | patlabor221 | well I was trained to be a graphic designer at one point |
| 20:07:14 | captain_proton | patlabor221: it should be big and bumpy - the idea was to have the letters themselves raised, with a slight indentation of the flat |
| 20:07:45 | patlabor221 | you want a 2 step thing then |
| 20:07:49 | patlabor221 | hmmmmm |
| 20:07:50 | doughec | ok |
| 20:08:04 | doughec | tell me what forbis files go where? |
| 20:08:17 | captain_proton | patlabor221: lemme draw an ascii art of the cross section |
| 20:08:18 | patlabor221 | the libs go into the win32 filder |
| 20:08:22 | captain_proton | /-\________/-\ |
| 20:08:22 | doughec | ok |
| 20:08:23 | captain_proton | / \ |
| 20:08:27 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:08:31 | patlabor221 | I got that now |
| 20:08:35 | doughec | that means I need the cvs.. |
| 20:08:37 | patlabor221 | things |
| 20:08:40 | doughec | what is the vs command |
| 20:08:57 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i find it looks better if you airbrush in dark and light on their own layers than if you use a filter |
| 20:08:58 | patlabor221 | read the source forge page on how to get it |
| 20:08:59 | doughec | cvs |
| 20:09:07 | patlabor221 | I'm not using an airbrush |
| 20:09:11 | patlabor221 | it's all paramateric |
| 20:09:17 | patlabor221 | I can do it just need to tell it so |
| 20:09:28 | captain_proton | dithers |
| 20:09:49 | doughec | what is the module name captain_proton |
| 20:09:53 | doughec | for 1.8? |
| 20:09:58 | captain_proton | doughec: bzflag, FOOL! |
| 20:10:03 | doughec | oh |
| 20:10:06 | akira_ | lol |
| 20:10:09 | doughec | I though 1.7 was that |
| 20:10:11 | akira_ | calm down capn :) |
| 20:10:16 | captain_proton | doughec: it is |
| 20:10:20 | doughec | hm! |
| 20:10:21 | patlabor221 | read the page |
| 20:10:22 | captain_proton | doughec: they're just different braches of the same module |
| 20:10:26 | akira_ | the 1.7 branch is -r v1_7 :) |
| 20:10:31 | doughec | ah |
| 20:10:33 | doughec | thx |
| 20:11:17 | akira_ | hey cool .. cg becomes opensource |
| 20:11:24 | akira_ | clever decision of nv |
| 20:11:25 | doughec | cg? |
| 20:11:46 | akira_ | c for graphics |
| 20:11:56 | akira_ | shading for realtime graphics |
| 20:12:00 | doughec | ah |
| 20:12:17 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/logo/ |
| 20:12:18 | akira_ | _on_ the graphic card :)) |
| 20:12:21 | doughec | yippy |
| 20:12:25 | doughec | its downloadin |
| 20:12:26 | patlabor221 | # 9 cap |
| 20:12:44 | patlabor221 | that more like what your lookin for? |
| 20:13:00 | captain_proton | patlabor221: on the 'BZFLAG' yes |
| 20:13:02 | captain_proton | just 1 more thing |
| 20:13:17 | patlabor221 | by your command my leige. |
| 20:13:27 | captain_proton | the 'CTF-League' text should be the same blue as the URL - not the beveled silver' |
| 20:13:29 | doughec | put everything in /lib in /win32? |
| 20:13:33 | patlabor221 | ohh ok |
| 20:13:46 | doughec | correct? |
| 20:13:49 | captain_proton | doughec: it needs 'vorbis' and 'vorbisfile' |
| 20:13:55 | doughec | ok.. |
| 20:13:55 | patlabor221 | it's acutly the same color just not the right tranparancys |
| 20:14:11 | akira_ | 4 looks cool |
| 20:14:32 | patlabor221 | you want the CTF to be in the BZ font or the link font? |
| 20:14:38 | patlabor221 | and do you want it beveled as well? |
| 20:14:46 | captain_proton | patlabor221: link font, no bevel |
| 20:15:03 | akira_ | no bevel |
| 20:15:05 | akira_ | flat |
| 20:15:07 | patlabor221 | arial black it is then |
| 20:15:09 | akira_ | looks cool |
| 20:15:14 | doughec | compiling... |
| 20:15:38 | doughec | takes a swig of milk |
| 20:15:45 | doughec | bzflag.exe - 2 error(s), 0 warning(s) |
| 20:16:01 | doughec | c:\documents and settings\administrator\desktop\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.h(17) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'vorbis/vorbisfile.h': No such file or directory |
| 20:16:01 | doughec | OggAudioFile.cxx |
| 20:16:01 | doughec | c:\documents and settings\administrator\desktop\bzflag\bzflag\src\mediafile\oggaudiofile.h(17) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'vorbis/vorbisfile.h': No such file or directory |
| 20:16:14 | doughec | *ahem* |
| 20:16:16 | captain_proton | doughec: did you put the headers in bzflag\include? |
| 20:16:21 | patlabor221 | updated #9 |
| 20:16:28 | doughec | nope, you did not tell me too... |
| 20:16:32 | doughec | bah |
| 20:16:32 | patlabor221 | yes I did |
| 20:16:50 | doughec | headers? |
| 20:16:52 | doughec | ack |
| 20:16:54 | doughec | I rebooted |
| 20:16:58 | patlabor221 | <patlabor221> making 1.8 is easy, just pop the vorbis headers into the inc dir and the libs into the win32 folder and build all |
| 20:16:58 | patlabor221 | < |
| 20:17:00 | doughec | I dont have the log... |
| 20:17:08 | patlabor221 | they have things called pens now |
| 20:17:14 | captain_proton | patlabor221: verah nice |
| 20:17:15 | bryjen | .h files are headers |
| 20:17:26 | doughec | ok |
| 20:17:37 | doughec | copying the whole folder "include" to /bzflag |
| 20:17:44 | patlabor221 | let me make one without the CTF wiht the new log for you |
| 20:18:03 | doughec | compiling.. |
| 20:18:06 | doughec | again... |
| 20:18:08 | akira_ | ah .. pens .. for pens you have to use your brain :) |
| 20:18:14 | akira_ | carp backward stuff :) |
| 20:18:21 | doughec | akira_: what brain? |
| 20:18:35 | akira_ | has seen amores perros some minutes ago .. nice movie .. someone knows? |
| 20:18:43 | Chestal | akira: I saw it |
| 20:18:43 | doughec | never heard of it |
| 20:18:59 | doughec | real people use pencils |
| 20:19:03 | akira_ | Chestal: und? |
| 20:19:26 | doughec | takes a gulp of milk... |
| 20:19:42 | doughec | almond milk with vanilla in it. |
| 20:19:44 | doughec | yuk |
| 20:20:01 | doughec | tastes like melted fat free ice cream |
| 20:20:06 | akira_ | > John Carmack hat sich schon früh darüber beschwert (steht glaube ich |
| 20:20:06 | akira_ | |
| 20:20:06 | akira_ | Carmack soll erst mal lernen mit einer vernünftigen API zu |
| 20:20:06 | akira_ | programmieren, dann sehen wir weiter. ( der Affe ! ) |
| 20:20:06 | akira_ | |
| 20:20:09 | Chestal | akira: I liked it |
| 20:20:10 | akira_ | wohah |
| 20:20:22 | akira_ | heise ticker ... der hat doch ne macke der spinner |
| 20:21:05 | m0nkey_b0y | be back...experiment is finishing |
| 20:21:09 | doughec | compiles his programs on paper |
| 20:21:22 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: what experiment? |
| 20:21:27 | doughec | experiment? |
| 20:21:38 | akira_ | Chestal: i have seen the movie in spanish with english subtitles and in german ... |
| 20:21:55 | doughec | oh oh, errors... |
| 20:22:25 | Chestal | akira: I watched in German dubbed in the cinema |
| 20:22:47 | doughec | noo |
| 20:22:49 | Chestal | is right now burning a great movie |
| 20:22:52 | doughec | bzflag.exe - 1 error(s), 145 warning(s) |
| 20:23:01 | doughec | Linking... |
| 20:23:01 | doughec | LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "vorbis_static.lib" |
| 20:23:03 | doughec | ok |
| 20:23:05 | Widget | Chestal: What movie? |
| 20:23:09 | doughec | cappy, please tell... |
| 20:23:12 | Chestal | Widget: Magnolia |
| 20:23:58 | captain_proton | doughec: is there a vorbis_static.lib file in the SDK? if so, throw it in with the rest of the libs |
| 20:25:03 | doughec | ok |
| 20:25:50 | doughec | blasted |
| 20:26:24 | doughec | http://heckamangroup.com/files/errors.txt |
| 20:26:32 | doughec | now what did you say? |
| 20:26:37 | doughec | irc crashed on me... |
| 20:26:51 | Chestal | hmm, didn't do any reading today so far :-| |
| 20:27:24 | captain_proton | doughec: did the vorbis SDK come with a file called vorbis_static.lib ??!?! |
| 20:27:32 | doughec | yes |
| 20:27:50 | doughec | stick that in /win32? |
| 20:27:50 | captain_proton | doughec: did you put it in the bzflag win32 libs directory? |
| 20:28:09 | doughec | win32 libs folder? I put it in win32.. |
| 20:28:27 | doughec | ack |
| 20:28:28 | captain_proton | yes, stick in /win32 |
| 20:28:32 | doughec | compiling.... |
| 20:28:56 | doughec | cant you put the vorbis files with the source codE? |
| 20:29:06 | doughec | or is it against the rules? |
| 20:29:46 | bryjen | that's it captain, tell 'em where to stick it :) |
| 20:29:57 | doughec | loll |
| 20:31:00 | captain_proton | waits patiently for patlabor221 |
| 20:31:18 | doughec | bryjen: howdy |
| 20:31:19 | doughec | Widget: hihihi |
| 20:31:19 | doughec | captain_proton: ok |
| 20:31:19 | doughec | m0nkey_b0y: hey |
| 20:31:25 | doughec | hi Nicole3 |
| 20:31:32 | Nicole3 | hola |
| 20:31:43 | akira_ | a woman |
| 20:31:47 | akira_ | tach |
| 20:31:47 | Widget | doughec: hihihi |
| 20:31:59 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:32:16 | doughec | sighs |
| 20:32:22 | doughec | compiling.... |
| 20:32:39 | doughec | aah!!!! |
| 20:32:55 | doughec | cant I just dump the whole bloody thing into the folder? |
| 20:32:56 | doughec | LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file "ogg_static.lib" |
| 20:32:56 | doughec | Error executing link.exe. |
| 20:33:08 | doughec | stomps back the the lib folder |
| 20:33:42 | doughec | ok |
| 20:33:50 | doughec | I put every lib into the folder... |
| 20:34:05 | doughec | blah |
| 20:34:06 | doughec | LIBC.lib(crt0init.obj) : warning LNK4098: defaultlib "libcmt.lib" conflicts with use of other libs; use /NODEFAULTLIB:library |
| 20:34:10 | akira_ | doughec: why do you hurt yourself ? |
| 20:34:21 | akira_ | perhaps try to learn howto handle a compiler first :) |
| 20:34:33 | doughec | I do know how to handle it.. |
| 20:34:37 | doughec | you press compile... |
| 20:34:41 | doughec | and poof |
| 20:34:54 | doughec | it spills out errors just because it does not like me.. |
| 20:34:56 | akira_ | you dont know howto handle it |
| 20:35:03 | akira_ | its not juts press a button |
| 20:35:18 | doughec | I know... |
| 20:35:18 | akira_ | it spills out errors coz you dont know exactly what you do |
| 20:36:01 | BZFrank | hi |
| 20:36:11 | doughec | then explain how my folder with all the libs in it just disapeared |
| 20:36:20 | doughec | BZFrank: hello!!! |
| 20:36:36 | doughec | glad to see someone who uses a mac... |
| 20:36:38 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:36:39 | BZFrank | rehi doughec |
| 20:36:52 | BZFrank | no macos9m the bzflag port is macos x only |
| 20:36:58 | BZFrank | sorry |
| 20:36:59 | doughec | it is? |
| 20:37:02 | doughec | hm |
| 20:37:04 | doughec | rats |
| 20:37:06 | captain_proton | heya BZFrank |
| 20:37:11 | doughec | bzflag said it works.. |
| 20:37:13 | BZFrank | heya cp |
| 20:37:18 | doughec | I guess we have to wait for him.. |
| 20:37:55 | BZFrank | my little ibook has no dev envirnment for macos classic anyway as I found out |
| 20:38:13 | doughec | oh |
| 20:38:14 | doughec | :( |
| 20:38:17 | doughec | hmm |
| 20:38:35 | captain_proton | BZFrank: when do i get to play with 2051? |
| 20:38:39 | captain_proton | 2501 even |
| 20:38:49 | doughec | hehe |
| 20:38:50 | BZFrank | well, some do right now ;) tests are running |
| 20:38:57 | captain_proton | whines impatiently |
| 20:39:14 | doughec | yippy |
| 20:39:17 | doughec | it compiles |
| 20:39:19 | BZFrank | the first public test version is out, but i need some feedback |
| 20:39:30 | doughec | can I test it BZFrank?? |
| 20:39:31 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:39:48 | captain_proton | BZFrank: linux version? |
| 20:39:51 | BZFrank | do you qualify? ;) ;) |
| 20:40:14 | BZFrank | cp: nope, just building it, the test release is win only for the moment |
| 20:40:14 | doughec | I do.. |
| 20:40:19 | doughec | oh |
| 20:40:23 | BZFrank | show me ;) |
| 20:40:26 | doughec | I can test on windows |
| 20:40:27 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:40:33 | doughec | and I can test on OS X |
| 20:40:34 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:40:40 | captain_proton | BZFrank: if you wanna zip me the source i'll make it work |
| 20:40:41 | doughec | anytime you need OS X testing.. |
| 20:40:45 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 20:40:51 | doughec | ok |
| 20:40:55 | doughec | bzflag just crashed |
| 20:40:57 | doughec | 1.8 |
| 20:41:00 | akira_ | oha, the next womand :) |
| 20:41:03 | akira_ | oha, the next woman :) |
| 20:41:05 | BZFrank | what macosx system do you have? with a radeon card |
| 20:41:07 | akira_ | hello girl |
| 20:41:12 | angelina | hi |
| 20:41:21 | doughec | BZFrank: the top o' the line model |
| 20:41:23 | BZFrank | hi angelina |
| 20:41:35 | captain_proton | feels the pheromones just ooozing from this channel |
| 20:41:35 | angelina | hi there BZFrank |
| 20:41:46 | BZFrank | G4 double processor with Radean and > 1 GB ram then ? ;) |
| 20:41:50 | doughec | um |
| 20:41:54 | bryjen | oozing.... ick |
| 20:41:55 | doughec | the one under that one... |
| 20:42:02 | doughec | with 1.5 gigs of ram |
| 20:42:03 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:42:34 | BZFrank | sounds ok, send me mail to frank@wizards.de and I'll send you the MacOS X distributino as soon as I have finished it |
| 20:42:38 | doughec | me thinks it should run... |
| 20:42:53 | doughec | wow, thanks BZFrank... |
| 20:42:54 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:43:10 | BZFrank | still can take some days, linux is next |
| 20:43:17 | captain_proton | waits for BZFrank to consider his proposal |
| 20:43:20 | doughec | ah |
| 20:43:50 | bryjen | BZFrank: not linux, not osx, so what's going now? |
| 20:44:05 | doughec | windows |
| 20:44:08 | BZFrank | cp: no, sorry - for the simple reason that THIS version contains the authentification and packet signing layer |
| 20:44:13 | Nicole3 | hey, HP is cool |
| 20:44:37 | captain_proton | BZFrank: you don't trust me? |
| 20:44:40 | BZFrank | cp: so I cannot give it out except if you sign a contract in blood ;) |
| 20:44:42 | captain_proton | puts on a sad look |
| 20:44:51 | doughec | blood? |
| 20:44:54 | doughec | hmm |
| 20:44:54 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:44:57 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i could handle that |
| 20:45:01 | doughec | would that mail? |
| 20:45:15 | doughec | anyone want to join me in 1.8 moon server? |
| 20:45:15 | bryjen | his own blood or just anyones? hmmmmmmm |
| 20:45:25 | bryjen | eyes doughec |
| 20:45:45 | BZFrank | cp: I do but c'mon gimme some days to put this up right |
| 20:45:50 | doughec | pokes bryjens eyes |
| 20:45:54 | captain_proton | doughec: hmm, i think the USPS won't ship body parts |
| 20:45:59 | captain_proton | including blood |
| 20:46:00 | BZFrank | also the distribution are 16.5 mbytes |
| 20:46:07 | doughec | captain_proton: ah rats |
| 20:46:33 | bryjen | gah, i asked for that one. |
| 20:47:12 | captain_proton | BZFrank: geez, talk about bloat |
| 20:47:13 | captain_proton | grins |
| 20:47:28 | akira_ | BZFrank: opengl guru? |
| 20:47:37 | BZFrank | 15.9 MByte graphics, sounds and textures and the rest program ;) |
| 20:48:05 | BZFrank | akira: I know my way I think but no guru |
| 20:48:07 | akira_ | was that a yes? |
| 20:48:08 | captain_proton | BZFrank: sounds like you need compressed graphics and sounds |
| 20:48:22 | BZFrank | these ARE compressed ;) |
| 20:48:26 | doughec | lol |
| 20:48:28 | captain_proton | BZFrank: what formats? |
| 20:48:37 | doughec | that moon server is cool |
| 20:48:54 | BZFrank | TGA, BMP but all inside a virtual filesystem which is a plain ZIP format file (Compressed naturally) |
| 20:49:12 | angelina | doughec: where is the mon server? |
| 20:49:23 | angelina | moon i mean |
| 20:49:25 | bryjen | BZFrank must've worn has crayons out on all those pics |
| 20:49:27 | doughec | 1.8 |
| 20:49:34 | doughec | server |
| 20:49:38 | doughec | on the list |
| 20:49:40 | BZFrank | ;) |
| 20:49:40 | captain_proton | BZFrank: TGA and BMP aren't compressed formats |
| 20:49:43 | doughec | do you have 1.8? |
| 20:49:46 | akira_ | BZFrank: any experiences with pbuffers under X? |
| 20:49:53 | captain_proton | BZFrank: PNG will do wonders for your data size |
| 20:49:53 | angelina | not yet |
| 20:50:06 | BZFrank | TGA is RLE compressed but you are right, but the zip container is, and that is 15.9 mbytes |
| 20:50:20 | captain_proton | zip is also a bad compression algorithm |
| 20:50:21 | akira_ | captain_proton: 1.8 usese ogg and png right? |
| 20:50:26 | captain_proton | akira_: right |
| 20:50:31 | akira_ | wise decision |
| 20:50:35 | akira_ | free and small :) |
| 20:50:38 | bryjen | BZFrankL uncompressed size of files in ZIP ? |
| 20:50:45 | BZFrank | PNG will help nothing here, the zip container helps even more because it can explore redundancies even between files |
| 20:50:55 | BZFrank | byren: wait |
| 20:50:57 | doughec | angelina: you have 1.8? |
| 20:51:10 | angelina | no, i have 1.7e6 |
| 20:51:13 | doughec | oh |
| 20:51:17 | BZFrank | 41565 kBytes |
| 20:51:19 | doughec | does anyone have 1.8? |
| 20:51:25 | bryjen | eep |
| 20:51:30 | doughec | BZFrank: 51 megs!!!!! |
| 20:51:32 | doughec | er |
| 20:51:34 | captain_proton | BZFrank: would be better to use gzip or bzip2, but thats just me talking |
| 20:51:35 | doughec | 41!!! |
| 20:51:37 | jzaun | doughec: I do :-) |
| 20:51:42 | doughec | wanna play? |
| 20:51:46 | doughec | on the moon server? |
| 20:51:48 | jzaun | sure |
| 20:51:50 | doughec | is cool... |
| 20:51:51 | doughec | ;) |
| 20:51:54 | captain_proton | guess i'll come too |
| 20:51:55 | BZFrank | yes, it is errr... colorful ;) |
| 20:52:01 | Chestal | BFZrank: depends on the nature of the fles |
| 20:52:02 | doughec | cya there |
| 20:52:11 | BZFrank | cya |
| 20:52:14 | Chestal | zip compression is not very good for photo-like true colour images |
| 20:52:27 | Chestal | PNG should be able to handle that besser |
| 20:52:31 | Chestal | eh, beter :-) |
| 20:52:41 | Chestal | jpeg2000 losless better again than PNG |
| 20:52:48 | BZFrank | sure, but why fiddle with details like image formats when real work is ahead? |
| 20:52:57 | BZFrank | jpeg2k is patented like crazy ;) |
| 20:53:24 | Chestal | hmm, I don't know, I guess it's free for non-profit use, no? |
| 20:53:42 | BZFrank | I don't care - I keep my hands from such format whenever I can |
| 20:53:43 | akira_ | whatever .. just use png and out |
| 20:53:43 | Chestal | at least a year ago, there was a free implementation in C |
| 20:53:50 | BZFrank | jasper, still is |
| 20:54:09 | akira_ | jpeg whatever cant promise THAT more compression than png |
| 20:54:14 | Chestal | is there a free alternative to jpeg? |
| 20:54:26 | Chestal | well, png is losless only |
| 20:54:32 | BZFrank | akira: jpeg is better than png for real tone iamges anyday |
| 20:54:38 | Chestal | but jpeg2000's losless was doign much better in my tests than PNGs |
| 20:55:39 | BZFrank | because of this forgent patent issue? |
| 20:56:35 | Chestal | well, I'm not sure that I understand the patent issued completely |
| 20:57:00 | Chestal | to my understanding, arithmetic coding which is part of jpeg was always patented |
| 20:57:01 | BZFrank | they claim patent right on RLL with huffman afterward - ridiculous! |
| 20:57:05 | akira_ | BZFrank: but in what percentage?? 5 to 10? |
| 20:57:24 | BZFrank | often 1:10 akira, or better |
| 20:57:30 | m0nkey_b0y | i am done woohooo |
| 20:57:36 | m0nkey_b0y | experiment successful |
| 20:57:43 | BZFrank | hi monkey! ;) |
| 20:57:44 | akira_ | if png crunshes the size down to 30 - 40 percent and jpeg would do it from 20 to 30 ... thats really no big difference |
| 20:57:54 | Chestal | for audio I now have ogg, but for iamegs I only have PNG, which is losless only |
| 20:58:05 | m0nkey_b0y | hi frank!! |
| 20:58:11 | BZFrank | we are taking 1 TO 10 that means 0.1 of the original |
| 20:58:22 | akira_ | yep . but not from png to jpeg |
| 20:58:25 | BZFrank | monkey: got a windows system running? |
| 20:58:29 | Chestal | akira: but jpeg can do lossy compressin, which is often good enough ad easily gives you an additional factor of 10 |
| 20:58:32 | m0nkey_b0y | yes i do |
| 20:58:54 | BZFrank | akira; for natural tone images like digital photos or textures PNG does a bad job akira |
| 20:59:06 | Widget | m0nkey_b0y: You were subjected to a psychological experiment? |
| 20:59:09 | akira_ | how "bad"? |
| 20:59:23 | BZFrank | monkey: then prepare for an email in a few minutes ;) |
| 20:59:24 | Chestal | BZFrank: well, not _that_ bad for a losless compression |
| 20:59:45 | Chestal | anyone using gnupg or pgp here? |
| 20:59:56 | BZFrank | chestal: true, but akira is comparing lossy to lossless compression and this cannot work, apples with ornages |
| 21:00:02 | BZFrank | I do |
| 21:00:08 | BZFrank | gnupg and pgp |
| 21:00:10 | akira_ | i do i do :)) |
| 21:00:26 | Chestal | I recently configured gnupg here |
| 21:00:33 | Chestal | my old pgp key is lost forever :-( |
| 21:00:46 | akira_ | chestal .. wanne have my key again ? :))) |
| 21:02:37 | BZFrank | monkey: you got mail |
| 21:02:42 | m0nkey_b0y | Widget: was finishing my work...experiment on cells |
| 21:02:49 | m0nkey_b0y | ok frank!!!! |
| 21:02:56 | m0nkey_b0y | woohooo....test version :))) |
| 21:03:52 | BZFrank | mind it is still somewhat rough, but you can design stuff, world scripting works and the network can be tested |
| 21:04:14 | m0nkey_b0y | woohooo!!!! thank you frank!!! |
| 21:04:31 | captain_proton | BZFlag: http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/developer/flags.php |
| 21:04:47 | BZFrank | let me hear how it works ;) |
| 21:04:56 | m0nkey_b0y | ok i will frank ;) |
| 21:04:59 | doughec | you sending out test versions? |
| 21:05:02 | captain_proton | BZFrank: since you don't have linux, can you send over the windows test? |
| 21:05:04 | doughec | for what? |
| 21:05:05 | m0nkey_b0y | thanks again |
| 21:05:12 | Widget | captain_proton: The requested URL /new/developer/flags.php was not found on this server. |
| 21:05:16 | doughec | could I have the windows? |
| 21:05:21 | captain_proton | err |
| 21:05:22 | captain_proton | deveopers/ |
| 21:05:24 | BZFrank | cp: yes, I can - but your need to promise not to give out out, ok? |
| 21:05:32 | doughec | ok |
| 21:05:36 | doughec | I promise |
| 21:05:38 | captain_proton | BZFrank: of course |
| 21:05:41 | akira_ | has jpeg2000 alpha? |
| 21:05:55 | BZFrank | doughec: what windows system do you have? |
| 21:06:04 | captain_proton | akira_: didn't you hear? jpeg has to be licensed =} |
| 21:06:18 | m0nkey_b0y | i heard that proton... |
| 21:06:22 | BZFrank | cp: only for US users, the patent is US only |
| 21:06:22 | m0nkey_b0y | crazy |
| 21:06:43 | BZFrank | cp: send me email frank@wizards.de so I can send you the link back |
| 21:06:49 | akira_ | captain_proton: was that my question? |
| 21:07:02 | BZFrank | the USPO is patenting everything you pay for |
| 21:07:03 | captain_proton | BZFrank: their claim isn't valid - patent law doesn't apply if you neglect to enforce it |
| 21:07:11 | m0nkey_b0y | ooooohhhhh....eye candy...2501 :) |
| 21:07:28 | BZFrank | cp: no it does not, only trademarks need to be enforced no patents |
| 21:07:51 | BZFrank | monkey: does it work? you can run in a window too just use option -inwindow |
| 21:08:01 | doughec | BZFrank: windows 2000 pro |
| 21:08:06 | Chestal | akira: it has alpha, it can store additional planes |
| 21:08:21 | BZFrank | don't know if it works there, but it is worth a try |
| 21:08:24 | m0nkey_b0y | i am looking at your screenshots frank. will install shortly. |
| 21:08:59 | akira_ | BZFrank: ok, did you answerd my question with the pbuffers? |
| 21:09:01 | doughec | ok |
| 21:09:36 | doughec | BZFlag: hey! |
| 21:10:12 | BZFrank | monkey: ok - if it is dead slow (1 fps or so) look in the stdout.txt it creates - if it reads 'OpenGL vendor: Microsoft' you are running with software rendering. Has happened to me before ;) |
| 21:10:25 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhhh |
| 21:10:29 | BZFrank | akira: wait have not parsed it ;) |
| 21:10:42 | doughec | BZFrank: oohhh |
| 21:10:55 | doughec | BZFrank: I ran an older version a long time ago.. |
| 21:10:59 | doughec | it was SLOW.... |
| 21:11:03 | doughec | maybe thats why... |
| 21:11:05 | doughec | ;) |
| 21:11:07 | doughec | hehe |
| 21:11:28 | BZFlag | The requested URL /new/developer/flags.php was not found on this server. |
| 21:11:40 | akira_ | BZFrank: at the moment my xserver crashed :)) or the opengl libs segfaulted :)) |
| 21:11:40 | Widget | BZFlag: It's developers. |
| 21:11:45 | Widget | BZFlag: Not developer. |
| 21:11:54 | captain_proton | typoed |
| 21:12:01 | Widget | captain_proton: Wow, who came up with these ideas? They're pretty creative. |
| 21:12:02 | Widget | captain_proton: You? |
| 21:12:17 | BZFrank | cp: you got mail |
| 21:12:18 | captain_proton | Widget: most of them were gleaned from historical web pages. i added a few, chestal added a few |
| 21:12:22 | doughec | BZFlag: what did you do to bzflag to get it to compile on OS 9? |
| 21:12:24 | BZFrank | doughec: you got mail |
| 21:12:32 | Widget | captain_proton: Historical web pages? |
| 21:12:36 | captain_proton | Widget: yes |
| 21:12:40 | doughec | thanks |
| 21:12:41 | Widget | captain_proton: Was ist? |
| 21:12:47 | captain_proton | http://www.geocities.com/moss-taylor/BZFlag.html <- this for instance |
| 21:12:59 | Widget | How old is BZFlag? |
| 21:13:45 | captain_proton | 9 years |
| 21:13:46 | akira_ | older than you :) |
| 21:13:52 | BZFlag | "I considered adding a Death flag" I suspect you are not the "I", crs is. yes? |
| 21:14:17 | m0nkey_b0y | widget is 9? |
| 21:14:23 | captain_proton | BZFlag: right - grabbed all that text from the flags TODO on bzflag.org |
| 21:14:25 | Widget | Wow...... so I was only four years old when BZFlag came out. |
| 21:14:33 | Widget | Four years old, with a Mac IIvx. |
| 21:14:37 | Widget | No, a Mac Plus. |
| 21:14:40 | doughec | wow |
| 21:14:46 | BZFlag | doughec: OS 9 ? oh you mean mac. I didn't compile it. there are sources under the packaging directory of something. it's not well integrated yet. |
| 21:14:48 | m0nkey_b0y | Widget: i had rocks |
| 21:14:53 | m0nkey_b0y | and a marble |
| 21:14:54 | doughec | ooh |
| 21:14:59 | doughec | ok |
| 21:15:01 | akira_ | widget is 13 ?? |
| 21:15:03 | Widget | m0nkey_b0y: None of your newfangled nonsense. |
| 21:15:05 | doughec | I saw that |
| 21:15:06 | Widget | Er..... |
| 21:15:07 | akira_ | :) |
| 21:15:08 | Widget | I was 6. |
| 21:15:13 | Widget | Typo.. |
| 21:15:14 | doughec | Widget: whew |
| 21:15:14 | akira_ | 15 ? |
| 21:15:16 | Widget | Yes. |
| 21:15:20 | doughec | 15? |
| 21:15:22 | doughec | really? |
| 21:15:23 | akira_ | bullshit |
| 21:15:23 | Widget | Yes. |
| 21:15:24 | doughec | cool |
| 21:15:24 | akira_ | never |
| 21:15:26 | Widget | Really. |
| 21:15:30 | Widget | akira_: No? |
| 21:15:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: if you can get me a list of ones you approve of, i'll update the status |
| 21:15:34 | akira_ | he laughs |
| 21:15:37 | Widget | akira_: February 4th, 1987. |
| 21:15:42 | captain_proton | BZFlag: like the new variable-width page? |
| 21:15:49 | akira_ | he make a joke |
| 21:15:56 | Chestal | widget: I wonder how old Sniper and jh are? |
| 21:15:58 | scanline | chuckles at the people who aren't used to young people on IRC... |
| 21:15:59 | doughec | me too... |
| 21:16:18 | Widget | Chestal: Dunno. Ask. :) |
| 21:16:24 | m0nkey_b0y | i am 57 |
| 21:16:28 | doughec | 57?????? |
| 21:16:30 | Widget | doughec is 15 as well? |
| 21:16:36 | doughec | Widget: yup |
| 21:16:40 | Widget | doughec: Monkeys are long lived. |
| 21:16:44 | akira_ | mokney jokes too |
| 21:16:58 | doughec | gosh, monkeys dont live that long... do they? |
| 21:16:58 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 21:17:03 | scanline | is 18, but has a 14 and 15 year old friend on IRC |
| 21:17:06 | Chestal | the loops are ooooold :-) |
| 21:17:09 | scanline | s/friend/friends/ |
| 21:17:11 | BZFrank | monkey: only if you are drunk ;) |
| 21:17:19 | m0nkey_b0y | loopies are old farts |
| 21:17:24 | doughec | lol |
| 21:17:46 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhh...frank...i need beer soon. |
| 21:17:48 | Widget | Chestal: You mean.... no, you can't.... they're... they're not.... PAST THEIR EXPIRATION DATE!?!? |
| 21:17:51 | BZFrank | I am an old hermit living in my code bunker ;) |
| 21:17:59 | doughec | lol |
| 21:18:01 | BZFrank | there is beer inside p2501 |
| 21:18:08 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:18:10 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:18:12 | doughec | BZFrank: how |
| 21:18:16 | BZFrank | just run the client to find out |
| 21:18:21 | doughec | lol |
| 21:18:23 | captain_proton | scanline: i'm afraid i'm all too familiar with young people on IRC |
| 21:18:25 | BZFrank | *grin* |
| 21:18:31 | doughec | still downloading... |
| 21:18:37 | m0nkey_b0y | these youngsters have yet to learn the pleasures of a good beer. |
| 21:18:42 | scanline | brb |
| 21:18:50 | Chestal | hmm, to beer or not to beer |
| 21:19:01 | Chestal | I wonder if I shall drink one small bottle now |
| 21:19:02 | Widget | is not 18. |
| 21:19:04 | jpablo | BZFrank: when are yoo gonna release a 2501 version ? |
| 21:19:05 | Widget | Yet. |
| 21:19:10 | Chestal | drinking beer and reading Ulysses :-) |
| 21:19:16 | BZFrank | doughec: get some OGG files and put them in the directory where data.zip is, then start the jukebox in teh console with music start, makes for good mood |
| 21:19:22 | Widget | Chestal: In German? |
| 21:19:25 | doughec | lol |
| 21:19:31 | captain_proton | its fun to get the germans and the belgians arguing about beer, then sit back and watch |
| 21:19:34 | doughec | I shall convert all my mp3s... |
| 21:19:35 | Chestal | Widget: yes |
| 21:19:36 | BZFrank | jpable: soon, real soon now |
| 21:19:49 | akira_ | Chestal: drunk a salitos some minutes ago |
| 21:19:52 | Chestal | drinks local beer mostly |
| 21:19:54 | Widget | Chestal: What do Joycian words look like in German? |
| 21:20:00 | BZFrank | mp3->ogg sounds bad, better remake them again |
| 21:20:01 | Chestal | two breweries in my home town |
| 21:20:01 | Widget | Chestal: The biiiiiiiiig long one? |
| 21:20:06 | doughec | hmm |
| 21:20:06 | jpablo | BZFrank: coo. |
| 21:20:07 | doughec | yea |
| 21:20:25 | doughec | this channel is too crowded |
| 21:20:32 | Widget | Lotsofcombinedwordslikethereusuallyisingermanformingabigandhardtounderstandtrainofthought? |
| 21:20:34 | doughec | all beer coversation #beer |
| 21:20:35 | akira_ | captain_proton: where are you from? |
| 21:20:37 | Chestal | Widget: well, they look strange in German, too. I thnk it's a good translation, although I cannot compare. It took 12 years to translate it |
| 21:20:40 | captain_proton | akira_: US |
| 21:20:46 | doughec | Widget: yea |
| 21:20:59 | Nicole3 | hello |
| 21:21:00 | Widget | akira_: He is from Colorado. |
| 21:21:00 | captain_proton | 12 years to translate it - wow - it takes about that long to read it :) |
| 21:21:07 | akira_ | captain_proton: so you have no real good tasting beer and cant follow the discussion :) |
| 21:21:08 | angelina | hi Nicole3 |
| 21:21:18 | Nicole3 | who is from Colorado Widget? |
| 21:21:19 | Chestal | Widget: just recetnly, someone completed the translation of 'Finnegans Wake', I guess it took 15 years |
| 21:21:30 | Widget | Chestal: How about Dubliners? |
| 21:21:32 | Widget | Nicole3: captain_proton |
| 21:21:38 | doughec | yippy it downloaded |
| 21:21:45 | Nicole3 | I'm from Colorado |
| 21:21:46 | Widget | Chestal: We were required to read that book for class. |
| 21:21:50 | Widget | Nicole3: I know. So is Skipp. |
| 21:21:52 | Chestal | proton: I want to have finished it by the en dof th emonths, I would have to read liek 50-70 pages today, hmm |
| 21:21:58 | BZFlag | captain_proton: what's the point in the big gray areas on both sides of the actual page? |
| 21:22:02 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 21:22:02 | captain_proton | Widget: uh - nicole is skipp's brother :) |
| 21:22:10 | Chestal | Widget: I read that in English last summer |
| 21:22:12 | Widget | captain_proton: No, she's his sister. |
| 21:22:16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: because if you go 100% width it looks UGLY |
| 21:22:18 | captain_proton | Widget: good point ;) |
| 21:22:32 | akira_ | cya all girls and boys |
| 21:22:35 | Nicole3 | yeah, good point |
| 21:22:39 | Widget | akira_: Good night. |
| 21:22:40 | m0nkey_b0y | bye akira |
| 21:22:44 | akira_ | me has to go to bed coz i am too young to stay up that late |
| 21:22:46 | Chestal | Widget: did you read all of it? |
| 21:22:46 | Nicole3 | bye |
| 21:22:48 | m0nkey_b0y | hey akira |
| 21:22:50 | Widget | Chestal: Yes. |
| 21:22:51 | m0nkey_b0y | question |
| 21:22:56 | akira_ | yes |
| 21:22:57 | Widget | Chestal: Last year. |
| 21:23:01 | doughec | cya |
| 21:23:07 | m0nkey_b0y | is that your pic on yourt downloads section? |
| 21:23:09 | Chestal | Widget: ah, I asked because I now anothe ryoung bzfla gplayer who read this in schoo but only read 2 or 3 of th stories |
| 21:23:15 | Chestal | Widget: how did you liek it? |
| 21:23:16 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: where? |
| 21:23:17 | captain_proton | BZFlag: my goal is something thats more attractive than the current site |
| 21:23:25 | Widget | Chestal: Loved it. |
| 21:23:28 | m0nkey_b0y | on your website...for that akira-patch |
| 21:23:29 | Chestal | Widget: me, too |
| 21:23:35 | Widget | Chestal: Did you like The Little Cloud? |
| 21:23:38 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: what pic? |
| 21:23:49 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:23:51 | m0nkey_b0y | there is like 3 pics somewhere...atleast there were |
| 21:23:53 | Chestal | Widget: I remember that title, but do not remember the sotry righ tnow |
| 21:23:57 | m0nkey_b0y | at a party |
| 21:23:59 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: show me |
| 21:24:02 | Nicole3 | bye |
| 21:24:07 | captain_proton | Chestal: how was the poem relating to 'Everyman his own wife' translated? ;) |
| 21:24:10 | m0nkey_b0y | i don't have your link anymore |
| 21:24:20 | akira_ | http://www.wirrehomepage.de/ |
| 21:24:34 | Chestal | proton: from Ulysses? what page is is rougly at? I read about hlf the book so far |
| 21:24:47 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:24:56 | captain_proton | Chestal: lemme find the page number from the original text |
| 21:24:57 | akira_ | ah, there are some pics right |
| 21:25:11 | Widget | Chestal: It was the one with Little Chandler and Gallagher. |
| 21:25:11 | BZFlag | captain_proton: fine. attractive != large unused gray areas. ;-) |
| 21:25:12 | akira_ | they werent meant to be public :) |
| 21:25:12 | doughec | BZFrank: its reallly slloowww..... |
| 21:25:18 | akira_ | just the one called gummidichtung ... |
| 21:25:23 | akira_ | which means .. me .. drunk :)) |
| 21:25:26 | BZFrank | lookup the stdout.txt |
| 21:25:30 | captain_proton | Chestal: first version was page 212 |
| 21:25:31 | doughec | ah |
| 21:25:39 | m0nkey_b0y | http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~gumz/dateien/pics/gummidichtung.jpg |
| 21:25:39 | doughec | how do I get it to use the hardware? |
| 21:25:46 | Chestal | captain_proton: oh, hmm. How many pages total? |
| 21:25:48 | m0nkey_b0y | yes it that you on bed? |
| 21:25:55 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: yes, thats me ... |
| 21:25:56 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I like the color logo though. ;-) |
| 21:25:58 | BZFrank | what does it read on the line with OpenGL Information: |
| 21:26:02 | akira_ | the one under the other guy :)) |
| 21:26:07 | doughec | hmm |
| 21:26:07 | doughec | ok |
| 21:26:08 | captain_proton | Chestal: 768 |
| 21:26:11 | doughec | and how do I quit? |
| 21:26:14 | doughec | ;) |
| 21:26:14 | BZFrank | try changing your default bit depth to 32 or 16 |
| 21:26:15 | BZFlag | I wish that font had lower case though, I want it to say BZFlag, not BZFLAG |
| 21:26:29 | m0nkey_b0y | good beer picture akira |
| 21:26:33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: we can do that, soon as patlabor221 returns |
| 21:26:37 | akira_ | BZFrank: did you answer my question already ? |
| 21:26:37 | Chestal | captain_proton: mine has nearly 1000, so it should be close to page 160 |
| 21:26:48 | BZFlag | so perhaps it's time to pick a new font anyway? or prehaps we should use small caps? |
| 21:26:48 | doughec | ah |
| 21:26:48 | BZFrank | or run it with option -16bit, like Porject2501.exe -16bit -novsync |
| 21:26:52 | doughec | ok |
| 21:27:10 | captain_proton | Chestal: wouldn't it be 300-something? |
| 21:27:13 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: was a bottle of red vine and 2 beers |
| 21:27:19 | BZFrank | what gfx card you you have anyway? |
| 21:27:27 | akira_ | or better .. 2 beers and the bottle of vine :) |
| 21:27:27 | BZFlag | BZFrank: when's the source release happening? ;-) or do you have a Linux version yet? |
| 21:27:33 | doughec | intel 910 |
| 21:27:33 | akira_ | and then i got tired .) |
| 21:27:35 | doughec | juck |
| 21:27:37 | doughec | er |
| 21:27:37 | doughec | 810 |
| 21:27:39 | m0nkey_b0y | ouch...beer and wine |
| 21:27:40 | doughec | intel 810 |
| 21:27:42 | m0nkey_b0y | bad mix |
| 21:27:45 | doughec | ack |
| 21:27:46 | BZFrank | linux: soon, I need public feedback first, source afterwards |
| 21:27:47 | doughec | dinner |
| 21:28:13 | BZFlag | well, /me won't yield any public feedback on a windows binary as /me never runs windows. |
| 21:28:14 | captain_proton | BZFlag: oh wait, are you saying the font itself can't do that? |
| 21:28:14 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: no, not for training german akiras :) |
| 21:28:18 | Chestal | proton: uh, it's late here :-) |
| 21:28:20 | BZFrank | ouch, p2501 is VERY texture hungry in its current state I don't know if teh puny i810 can cope |
| 21:28:23 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 21:28:40 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yeah. the font "lithograph" has no lower case glyphs |
| 21:28:53 | BZFrank | it runs with > 400 fps here however, faster than bzflag does with vsync off ;) |
| 21:28:55 | doughec | heh |
| 21:29:01 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what about the adobe one? (patlabor221 has it) |
| 21:29:02 | doughec | wow |
| 21:29:10 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~gumz/dateien/pics/Party3.jpg that was a very nice party .. me is the one in front ... the right front guy with the army pants and the blue shirt |
| 21:29:23 | BZFlag | captain_proton: don't think that has them either. |
| 21:30:03 | Chestal | proton: hmm, it's only the title of the poem? |
| 21:30:16 | m0nkey_b0y | you have black hair |
| 21:30:19 | m0nkey_b0y | me too |
| 21:30:21 | captain_proton | BZFlag: http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/logo/ <-- #9 is the final we've decided on mostly |
| 21:30:25 | akira_ | m0nkey_b0y: dark . but not black |
| 21:30:42 | Chestal | or is it a drama? |
| 21:30:52 | m0nkey_b0y | i am too shy to post a pic |
| 21:30:55 | captain_proton | Chestal: the poem itself doesn't have a title - it comes before Mulligan's 'play' |
| 21:31:10 | captain_proton | I hardly hear the purlieu cry |
| 21:31:10 | Chestal | captain_proton: well, yes, it's only 6 lines |
| 21:31:15 | captain_proton | Or a Tommy talk as I pass one by |
| 21:31:15 | captain_proton | ... |
| 21:31:17 | akira_ | http://www.uni-magdeburg.de/gumz/pics/urlaub99/11klein.jpg ... thats me too |
| 21:31:21 | Chestal | hmm |
| 21:31:22 | BZFrank | mhmmm, pict? lets see |
| 21:31:34 | captain_proton | Chestal: look previous page - should be about 11 lines |
| 21:31:43 | Chestal | ah |
| 21:31:57 | Chestal | 'Kaum hör ich nur einen Krachvogel schreien'' |
| 21:32:09 | Chestal | Oder nen Tommy schwätzen, treff ich mal ein'n' |
| 21:32:13 | BZFlag | captain_proton: the gray on the right does not blend in with any of the logos on my system. |
| 21:32:28 | akira_ | http://www.uni-magdeburg.de/gumz/pics/urlaub99/4klein.jpg or the left one from those two bad guys throwing the "friend" in the see ;) |
| 21:32:30 | captain_proton | BZFlag: on that page, no, it does not |
| 21:32:40 | captain_proton | BZFlag: pat doesn't know his hex codes :) |
| 21:32:44 | BZFlag | and I want a bz logo with lower case (or small caps). |
| 21:33:03 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe akira |
| 21:33:06 | m0nkey_b0y | cool pic |
| 21:33:35 | captain_proton | BZFlag: make the 'lag' small caps? |
| 21:33:52 | m0nkey_b0y | akira has naked pics |
| 21:33:55 | captain_proton | hmm, could be effective marketing |
| 21:33:58 | captain_proton | SMALL LAG! |
| 21:34:04 | akira_ | not really naked :)) |
| 21:34:37 | BZFrank | doughec: got it to work? |
| 21:34:51 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yeah, like 2/3 the height looks about right here. |
| 21:34:56 | Chestal | ok, I'm off to bed, cu |
| 21:35:03 | akira_ | cu Chestal |
| 21:35:08 | akira_ | mole power 4 ever :) |
| 21:35:09 | Widget | Bye, Chestal. |
| 21:35:10 | captain_proton | BZFlag: ahh, i'll tell patlabor221 when he returns |
| 21:35:15 | akira_ | i am going to |
| 21:35:29 | m0nkey_b0y | goodnight chestal, akira |
| 21:35:35 | blair | proton! |
| 21:35:37 | akira_ | so .. once again .. boys and girls, little aki has go to bed .. bye bye .. wving around :) |
| 21:35:38 | blair | lets go play decks! |
| 21:35:43 | captain_proton | blair: thought you were never coming back |
| 21:35:51 | captain_proton | blair: bring it on, sucka |
| 21:35:52 | blair | i am an addict proton |
| 21:35:58 | blair | decks? its up... |
| 21:36:36 | blair | cmon, you there? |
| 21:36:37 | captain_proton | hang on 1 minute |
| 21:36:48 | blair | you setting up a server? |
| 21:36:53 | captain_proton | ok, coming |
| 21:37:10 | blair | you know the server? |
| 21:38:17 | m0nkey_b0y | invite us all proton |
| 21:38:18 | BZFrank | monkey: don't be shy, this is me is my usual BZFlag outfit : http://www.wizards.de/~frank/frank_00017.jpg ;) |
| 21:38:27 | m0nkey_b0y | hehehe |
| 21:38:36 | blair | sup mb |
| 21:38:53 | blair | mb: go to campchaos.com, then to angry naked pat, then to the 9th episode |
| 21:39:01 | captain_proton | blair: oop, dialup dropped |
| 21:39:03 | blair | monkey man no hurt monkey boy! |
| 21:39:03 | captain_proton | ok, see ya there |
| 21:39:08 | blair | monkey man love monkey boy |
| 21:39:10 | m0nkey_b0y | that pic rocks frank! |
| 21:39:26 | blair | proton: jzaun.com? |
| 21:40:07 | captain_proton | wtf |
| 21:40:10 | captain_proton | client freezing on connect |
| 21:40:29 | m0nkey_b0y | http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/b6ca3b52/bc/Yahoo!+Photo+Album/__hr_P1010016b.jpg?bci4eP9AZD.n4_gL |
| 21:40:35 | captain_proton | lemme restart the server |
| 21:40:36 | BZFrank | hehe, I got more of them ;) |
| 21:40:36 | m0nkey_b0y | snow monkey |
| 21:40:40 | blair | so is mine |
| 21:41:24 | jzaun | blair: Whats up with jzaun.com? |
| 21:41:59 | captain_proton | ok blair lets go |
| 21:42:03 | blair | it doesn't allow me to connect |
| 21:42:05 | blair | proton: where? |
| 21:42:12 | blair | jzaun for the decks? |
| 21:42:15 | captain_proton | blair: jzaun.com - i just restarted |
| 21:43:27 | m0nkey_b0y | frank: what was that pic for? |
| 21:43:41 | m0nkey_b0y | do you have holloween in germany? |
| 21:43:57 | BZFrank | that one with the leather headset? I drive around this way |
| 21:44:17 | m0nkey_b0y | ahhh |
| 21:44:20 | BZFrank | see -> http://www.wizards.de/~frank/mycar.html |
| 21:44:20 | m0nkey_b0y | very cool |
| 21:44:35 | m0nkey_b0y | i have supercharged my 4runner :) |
| 21:45:03 | BZFrank | you need this outfit in germany otherwise your ears will start to fall off after a few minutes (well, not in summer) |
| 21:45:18 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 21:45:48 | BZFrank | ok, I do NOT use the black flying goggles often, just to scare people ;) |
| 21:46:09 | m0nkey_b0y | i have some for my old motorcyle like that |
| 21:46:17 | m0nkey_b0y | cars stay away more often. |
| 21:46:32 | BZFrank | NM is warm too |
| 21:46:46 | BZFrank | no need, only for the dust methings |
| 21:47:26 | m0nkey_b0y | and bugs |
| 21:47:30 | patlabor221 | ugggggg meetings make brain hurt |
| 21:47:59 | BZFrank | yeah, bugs too I remember the windshield of your chevy |
| 21:48:13 | m0nkey_b0y | toyota! |
| 21:48:19 | m0nkey_b0y | 4runner |
| 21:48:25 | BZFrank | TOYOTA! ;) |
| 21:48:25 | m0nkey_b0y | no chevy :) |
| 21:48:33 | BZFrank | ok ;) |
| 21:48:42 | m0nkey_b0y | i am working on the supercharged webpage... |
| 21:48:51 | BZFrank | what did you build in? |
| 21:48:53 | m0nkey_b0y | its now the very fast 4runner |
| 21:49:09 | m0nkey_b0y | supercharged...similar to turbo |
| 21:49:33 | m0nkey_b0y | its really quite trick...with german suspension even ;) |
| 21:49:34 | patlabor221 | ol El capitan, got a new #9 and #10 at http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/logo/ for you |
| 21:50:14 | BZFrank | uiuiui |
| 21:50:43 | m0nkey_b0y | german springs |
| 21:51:01 | m0nkey_b0y | i think bilstein is german..could be made in the US eh? |
| 21:51:09 | m0nkey_b0y | the shocks ... |
| 21:51:28 | BZFrank | don't know, but sounds german to me |
| 21:51:34 | patlabor221 | bah it would help if I uploaded it |
| 21:52:00 | patlabor221 | cap: it's up there now |
| 21:52:10 | doughec | re |
| 21:53:39 | doughec | BZFrank |
| 21:53:44 | BZFrank | here |
| 21:53:48 | doughec | how do I get it to run in hardware? |
| 21:53:51 | doughec | hmm |
| 21:53:54 | doughec | I read the read me |
| 21:54:00 | BZFrank | does bzflag run ony our box? |
| 21:54:05 | doughec | yup |
| 21:54:16 | BZFrank | in what resolution and bit depth |
| 21:54:20 | doughec | pretty good, exept for shadows and lighting |
| 21:54:22 | doughec | um |
| 21:54:53 | doughec | 16 bit 1024 res |
| 21:54:57 | BZFrank | well, you cannot turn off shadows and lightning in p2501 for now |
| 21:55:00 | doughec | oh |
| 21:55:06 | doughec | but it runs in software... |
| 21:55:13 | doughec | if I could get the hardware... |
| 21:55:18 | doughec | it would be much better |
| 21:55:29 | BZFrank | then set your desktop resultion to 16 bits and run project2501.exe with option -16bit from the command line |
| 21:55:35 | doughec | hmm |
| 21:55:37 | doughec | ok.. |
| 21:55:46 | doughec | that will do hardware? |
| 21:55:56 | m0nkey_b0y | getting ready to transfer 2501 over to windows machine |
| 21:56:07 | BZFrank | P2501 requests hardware accelleration, it is up to your driver to provide it |
| 21:56:08 | doughec | brb |
| 21:56:11 | patlabor221 | ohh I wana try P2501 :) |
| 21:56:12 | doughec | oh |
| 21:56:28 | BZFrank | some drivers do not like some bits depths |
| 21:56:42 | BZFrank | patlabour: all tester slots are taken ;) |
| 21:56:51 | patlabor221 | bah |
| 21:56:58 | patlabor221 | I'm a better tester then doug :) |
| 21:57:03 | patlabor221 | I gots real hardware |
| 21:57:04 | BZFrank | e.g. on my noetbook with geforce2go it won't work in 16 bit mode, only 32 bit |
| 21:57:06 | doughec | true... |
| 21:57:12 | BZFrank | pat: what hardware? |
| 21:57:15 | patlabor221 | what you want |
| 21:57:21 | patlabor221 | P4 wiht a gf4 |
| 21:57:27 | patlabor221 | AMD 1700 witha GF3 |
| 21:57:30 | BZFrank | gimme the big irons ;) |
| 21:57:36 | patlabor221 | Celly 333 wiht a Athalon |
| 21:57:43 | patlabor221 | sorry ATI not athalong |
| 21:57:46 | BZFrank | ok, pat send me email frank@wizards.de |
| 21:57:55 | patlabor221 | Radion in something somewhere |
| 21:58:11 | patlabor221 | ohh and a s3 verge in a celly 667 :) |
| 21:58:16 | patlabor221 | nwo that's slow |
| 21:58:22 | BZFrank | your ATI is very interesting for a test ;) Keep that s3 in the basement ;) |
| 21:58:32 | patlabor221 | verge is in a server |
| 21:58:36 | patlabor221 | works for that |
| 21:58:50 | patlabor221 | got the radion and a rage pro |
| 21:58:55 | BZFrank | I have also some lowly ATI Rage pro in my server workd great |
| 21:59:21 | BZFrank | ah, not a rage pro, something much older I think |
| 21:59:44 | doughec | ack |
| 21:59:48 | doughec | still software... |
| 21:59:50 | doughec | wierd... |
| 22:00:03 | doughec | oh well |
| 22:00:09 | doughec | get the OS X out soon ;) |
| 22:00:10 | doughec | hehe |
| 22:00:22 | BZFrank | ok ;) thanks for trying anyway! |
| 22:00:23 | doughec | then I will test it |
| 22:00:29 | doughec | hehe |
| 22:00:30 | BZFrank | making i810 as no good... |
| 22:00:33 | BZFrank | marking |
| 22:00:36 | doughec | yup |
| 22:00:41 | doughec | welll |
| 22:00:52 | doughec | if you could get the hardware to run... |
| 22:00:54 | patlabor221 | and I can check difren OS's for you |
| 22:00:59 | doughec | it would be much better |
| 22:00:59 | patlabor221 | XP 2k, 98 and ME |
| 22:01:07 | patlabor221 | and languages if you realy want :) |
| 22:01:26 | doughec | BZFrank: oh yea, it looks great though |
| 22:01:28 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:01:37 | doughec | I just need a better card... |
| 22:01:59 | patlabor221 | think we have a machine here with a savage 4, and voodoo 5 and a 3DLabs permida 2 somewhere |
| 22:02:00 | BZFrank | thanks ;) |
| 22:02:08 | BZFrank | pat: you got mail |
| 22:02:25 | patlabor221 | ig ot file |
| 22:02:38 | doughec | you have mail!!! |
| 22:02:46 | doughec | shoots the AOL cd |
| 22:02:53 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:03:00 | BZFrank | doug: have not tried ATI yet, but all my nVidia cards here (except for the TNT with 8 MByte -> too little texture memory) works ok |
| 22:03:18 | doughec | ok |
| 22:03:28 | doughec | when will OS X come out? |
| 22:03:52 | BZFrank | First get a stable base, then windows, then Linux, then MacOS X |
| 22:03:58 | doughec | ok |
| 22:04:02 | BZFrank | sorry the last one. but not so much demand |
| 22:04:08 | doughec | hehe |
| 22:04:09 | doughec | yea |
| 22:04:20 | BZFrank | you know I do software for MacOS X? |
| 22:04:29 | doughec | nope |
| 22:04:35 | doughec | I know you did next |
| 22:04:36 | BZFrank | see -> www.stone.com -> PStill |
| 22:04:38 | doughec | and stuff |
| 22:04:49 | doughec | cool |
| 22:04:51 | doughec | thanks |
| 22:04:55 | doughec | has to go.. |
| 22:04:58 | BZFrank | andrew just came back from Mac World |
| 22:05:01 | BZFrank | later |
| 22:05:03 | doughec | hehe |
| 22:05:05 | doughec | ok |
| 22:05:06 | doughec | cya |
| 22:05:08 | doughec | thanks... |
| 22:05:42 | angelina | anyone know how to fornmat a floppy in linux? |
| 22:05:50 | angelina | mkfs is it? |
| 22:06:04 | BZFrank | yes, with the floppy device as parameter |
| 22:06:10 | BZFrank | or use mformat for dos |
| 22:06:21 | BZFrank | (Dos fs that is) |
| 22:06:24 | angelina | no, i need it to be ext2 |
| 22:06:34 | jpablo | mkfs /dev/fd0 |
| 22:06:40 | angelina | ok, lemme see.. |
| 22:06:43 | BZFrank | sounds good to me |
| 22:07:00 | jpablo | mkfs -t vfat /dev/fd0 |
| 22:07:00 | jpablo | that's probably what you want. |
| 22:07:10 | angelina | perfect |
| 22:07:13 | angelina | thanks |
| 22:07:17 | jpablo | then -t ext2 |
| 22:07:46 | jpablo | dunno how much space will ext2 take for himself. |
| 22:08:02 | jpablo | i haven't used ext2 for floppys. |
| 22:08:51 | angelina | oh, should floppy be another fs type? |
| 22:14:35 | m0nkey_b0y | frank: WICKED! |
| 22:14:48 | m0nkey_b0y | 2501 is WICKED |
| 22:15:59 | m0nkey_b0y | brb |
| 22:16:59 | captain_proton | patlabor221: did you see BZFlag's comments? |
| 22:17:24 | BZFrank | monkey: wicked? |
| 22:17:48 | blair | where can i pick up 2501? |
| 22:17:51 | angelina | wicked as in wonderful i think |
| 22:18:07 | BZFrank | hehe, not as evil I hope! ;) |
| 22:18:16 | BZFrank | blair: not yet, soon |
| 22:18:25 | angelina | nah, its us/can slang |
| 22:18:33 | blair | BZFrank: not even a demo? cvs pull? |
| 22:18:36 | BZFrank | ah... |
| 22:18:40 | angelina | that movie was wicked |
| 22:18:43 | captain_proton | blair: no source for you! |
| 22:18:47 | blair | do americans use "wicked"? |
| 22:18:49 | BZFrank | but soon |
| 22:18:52 | captain_proton | blair: yes, we do |
| 22:18:54 | blair | who are you, the source nazi? |
| 22:19:00 | blair | jumbalaya! |
| 22:19:00 | captain_proton | blair: yes, he is |
| 22:19:05 | angelina | lol |
| 22:19:06 | BZFrank | angelina: somehow confusing to us middle europeans ;) |
| 22:19:22 | blair | how about "whaling", proton, you ever "whale" on somebody? |
| 22:19:23 | captain_proton | m0nkeyb0y: you missed the decks battle |
| 22:19:31 | captain_proton | blair: yeah, i even ate one |
| 22:19:31 | m0nkeyb0y | ahhhh |
| 22:19:39 | m0nkeyb0y | i am still chatting away proton :) |
| 22:19:40 | BZFrank | monkey: you like it? |
| 22:19:49 | m0nkeyb0y | its is WICKED frank |
| 22:19:51 | m0nkeyb0y | i love it |
| 22:20:06 | BZFrank | did you try the car horn and emotricon modes? |
| 22:20:14 | nuum | mb: you missed a wicked wicked battle |
| 22:20:19 | nuum | epic in proportion. |
| 22:20:24 | m0nkeyb0y | hehe |
| 22:20:43 | captain_proton | pokes patlabor221 |
| 22:20:50 | nuum | proton: how about "bitta", you ever use that term? |
| 22:20:52 | m0nkeyb0y | frank: no sound on |
| 22:20:59 | BZFrank | first I thought 'wicked == evil' but hen angelina cleared up |
| 22:21:00 | captain_proton | nuum: never |
| 22:21:16 | m0nkeyb0y | WICKED=AWESOME |
| 22:21:16 | captain_proton | YOU CANADIAN FREAK! |
| 22:21:23 | m0nkeyb0y | in caps |
| 22:21:29 | BZFrank | monkey: should work, look the stdout.txt for the audio init |
| 22:21:35 | BZFrank | EGEG |
| 22:21:38 | m0nkeyb0y | i have speakers off.... |
| 22:21:45 | m0nkeyb0y | boss next room over :) |
| 22:21:49 | BZFrank | ah, so you miss the atomic blast? ;) |
| 22:21:53 | m0nkeyb0y | when he leaves i will turn it up |
| 22:22:08 | nuum | proton: how about "barney"? |
| 22:22:08 | m0nkeyb0y | yes...but i was loving the graphics |
| 22:22:18 | BZFrank | also throw some OGG files in the programm folder and music starts playing with 'music start' in the console |
| 22:22:31 | m0nkeyb0y | ooohhhh...coooool! |
| 22:23:09 | captain_proton | nuum: nope |
| 22:23:14 | m0nkeyb0y | it worked right off....clicked and it ran. |
| 22:23:37 | BZFrank | there are a lot other hidden features, eg. pressing 0 and then a number key, will cause visual messages to paint |
| 22:23:49 | patlabor221 | cap; Sory talkin to bossman |
| 22:23:49 | BZFrank | so you can signla to other tankers |
| 22:24:03 | captain_proton | patlabor221: BZFlag wants the 'lag' to be about 2/3 size |
| 22:24:05 | BZFrank | monkey: glad to hear ;) |
| 22:24:18 | patlabor221 | in the logo? or in the URL? |
| 22:24:23 | captain_proton | patlabor221: logo |
| 22:24:27 | patlabor221 | okeys |
| 22:24:35 | captain_proton | since it is 'BZFlag' not 'BZFLAG' |
| 22:24:47 | BZFlag | back later. |
| 22:24:54 | patlabor221 | I just went with what was in the OG one |
| 22:25:09 | captain_proton | *nod* |
| 22:25:16 | captain_proton | eats a bean cake |
| 22:25:30 | doughec | BZFrank |
| 22:25:35 | doughec | how do you honk? |
| 22:25:43 | doughec | in p2501? |
| 22:25:50 | doughec | you said its in there... |
| 22:25:50 | captain_proton | honk honk |
| 22:25:55 | BZFrank | press 0 then backspace |
| 22:25:57 | doughec | haha |
| 22:25:58 | doughec | ok |
| 22:26:01 | Widget | BZFrank is wicked. |
| 22:26:07 | doughec | cool |
| 22:26:11 | BZFrank | great for scaring people when driving around as stealth |
| 22:26:15 | captain_proton | BZFrank: you spend too much time on easter eggs ;) |
| 22:26:27 | doughec | I need to get my hardware working!! |
| 22:26:27 | Widget | Eh? What easter egg? |
| 22:26:33 | BZFrank | cp: thats that makes the game intesting ;) |
| 22:26:40 | Widget | What happens when you press 0 then backspace? |
| 22:26:45 | captain_proton | BZFrank: agreed |
| 22:26:46 | BZFrank | your tank honks' |
| 22:26:48 | captain_proton | Widget: honk honk |
| 22:26:54 | BZFrank | also in the network |
| 22:26:56 | doughec | haha |
| 22:27:02 | Widget | captain_proton: Ah... in 1.8 CVS? |
| 22:27:09 | doughec | no |
| 22:27:09 | captain_proton | Widget: nonono |
| 22:27:13 | Widget | captain_proton: Where? |
| 22:27:14 | BZFrank | so a honk sound appears where you are, e.g. behind your fellow tanker |
| 22:27:14 | doughec | in p2501 |
| 22:27:15 | captain_proton | Widget: p2501 |
| 22:27:21 | Widget | What is p2501? |
| 22:27:26 | doughec | ack |
| 22:27:29 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:27:33 | captain_proton | Widget: were you born yesterday? |
| 22:27:36 | BZFrank | http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/ |
| 22:27:46 | Widget | www.p2501.ch? |
| 22:27:59 | Widget | Ah.... interesting. |
| 22:28:07 | doughec | um |
| 22:28:13 | doughec | ok.... |
| 22:28:16 | captain_proton | sheds a tear at the final chords of the alpine symphony |
| 22:28:31 | doughec | hehe |
| 22:28:44 | Widget | I hate people who play music very loudly in their cars. |
| 22:28:47 | patlabor221 | ick, 3/4 looks nasty, there is an 11 up there now |
| 22:28:48 | Widget | One day, when I can drive.... |
| 22:28:53 | captain_proton | hey - the guy is there, alone, dying in the cold |
| 22:28:56 | captain_proton | its very sad music |
| 22:29:00 | Widget | I will go and play Tchaikovsky's Meditation at full blast. |
| 22:29:06 | doughec | yea!!!! |
| 22:29:23 | doughec | or better yet, the 1812 song... |
| 22:29:24 | patlabor221 | I will play "Smack your bitch up" at full volume |
| 22:29:24 | Widget | Where can one download p2501? |
| 22:29:26 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:29:28 | BZFrank | Totentank, Listz - not bad for these occations also |
| 22:29:29 | Widget | doughec: 1812 Overture? |
| 22:29:33 | doughec | yea |
| 22:29:34 | Widget | doughec: No, that defeats the irony. |
| 22:29:35 | BZFrank | totentanz ;) |
| 22:29:38 | captain_proton | Widget: i often blast shostakovich |
| 22:29:38 | doughec | or 1712 |
| 22:29:46 | BZFrank | widget: not yet, but soon |
| 22:29:46 | Widget | doughec: It should be a quiet, thoughtful piece. |
| 22:29:49 | doughec | oh |
| 22:29:52 | captain_proton | 1712 overture -rocks- |
| 22:29:55 | doughec | then how about opera? |
| 22:30:07 | doughec | aaahhh, no |
| 22:30:17 | Widget | Classical music, as a rule, is boring. (to me) Now, Baroque... |
| 22:30:18 | doughec | hwo about yodaling |
| 22:30:23 | BZFrank | a friend wasted his HIFI system with Ov. 1812 ;) |
| 22:30:27 | captain_proton | patlabor221: can you put a little more space betwen the F and the l? |
| 22:30:28 | Widget | It's just the ornamentation that makes Baroque interesting. |
| 22:30:31 | doughec | LOL |
| 22:30:36 | m0nkeyb0y | genitorturues |
| 22:30:40 | captain_proton | Widget: you're using classical meaning rococco? |
| 22:30:40 | m0nkeyb0y | now thats music. |
| 22:30:53 | m0nkeyb0y | www.genitorturers.com |
| 22:31:32 | Widget | captain_proton: Eh? By classical, I mean the period until early 1800s. |
| 22:31:34 | patlabor221 | cap: yeah, but I think it's too small, I'm gonan try %80 too |
| 22:31:34 | nuum | yo monkey: |
| 22:31:35 | nuum | http://campchaos.com/cartoons/angrynakedpat/index.html |
| 22:31:36 | doughec | BZFrank: OpenGL Information: |
| 22:31:36 | doughec | Vendor : Microsoft Corporation (If vendor is 'Microsoft' you run without hardware accel) |
| 22:31:38 | BZFrank | looks good! ;) |
| 22:31:46 | nuum | check out "short bus to glory pt. 1" |
| 22:31:47 | captain_proton | Widget: = rococco |
| 22:31:49 | m0nkeyb0y | got it nuum..i check it |
| 22:31:59 | captain_proton | baroque -> rococco -> romantic |
| 22:32:00 | nuum | mb: need windows |
| 22:32:11 | m0nkeyb0y | icks |
| 22:32:17 | captain_proton | sigh. i have no recording of tchai 5 |
| 22:32:17 | m0nkeyb0y | i copy link then ;) |
| 22:32:18 | doughec | so that means software.... |
| 22:32:22 | Widget | captain_proton: Represented by Beethoven (late Classical), Mozart, C.P.E. Bach... |
| 22:32:23 | doughec | sooo |
| 22:32:26 | BZFrank | doughec: you tried setting your desktop resolution to 16 bits? |
| 22:32:26 | captain_proton | nuum: can you hook me up? |
| 22:32:30 | doughec | yup |
| 22:32:30 | BZFrank | yes, unfortunately |
| 22:32:31 | m0nkeyb0y | hi capn |
| 22:32:32 | doughec | I think |
| 22:32:33 | Widget | captain_proton: It's usually referred to as classical. |
| 22:32:34 | nuum | cp: with? |
| 22:32:43 | BZFrank | you tried the -bit16 trick? |
| 22:32:44 | doughec | 16 bits is high color? |
| 22:32:45 | CapN | hi monkey |
| 22:32:48 | captain_proton | Widget: by the untrained voice ;) |
| 22:32:50 | BZFrank | aeh, -16bit option |
| 22:32:50 | nuum | mb: its got a killer line about a "monkey boy" |
| 22:32:50 | doughec | or 256? |
| 22:32:53 | Widget | CapN: hihihi |
| 22:32:53 | doughec | yea |
| 22:32:55 | captain_proton | nuum: tchai 5 |
| 22:32:59 | BZFrank | no, 256 won't work |
| 22:33:00 | doughec | I tried -16 |
| 22:33:04 | doughec | ok |
| 22:33:05 | BZFrank | hi capn |
| 22:33:12 | Widget | captain_proton: Voice? |
| 22:33:15 | nuum | cp: i have it at home, not on my pitifully small harddrive |
| 22:33:22 | BZFrank | you need to give '-16bit' exactly! |
| 22:33:22 | captain_proton | Widget: mind, whatevers |
| 22:33:28 | doughec | I am at high color -16bit |
| 22:33:30 | m0nkeyb0y | nuum: from a movie? |
| 22:33:32 | doughec | oh |
| 22:33:38 | doughec | -16BIT |
| 22:33:40 | doughec | oh |
| 22:33:41 | captain_proton | nuum: at some point can you hook me up? i want to listen to the ending ;) |
| 22:33:42 | Widget | captain_proton: Elitist. |
| 22:33:43 | BZFrank | just -16 won't work |
| 22:33:44 | doughec | brb |
| 22:33:51 | BZFrank | small caps! |
| 22:33:54 | nuum | mb: its a cartoon |
| 22:33:57 | captain_proton | Widget: thats the definition of a music student |
| 22:34:00 | nuum | cp: yeah, i'll find it |
| 22:34:15 | nuum | in the meantime... |
| 22:34:18 | captain_proton | 5 points to anybody who knows the nickname of tchai 5 |
| 22:34:27 | Widget | Where can one download p2501? |
| 22:34:29 | CapN | hi frank |
| 22:34:32 | CapN | hi widget |
| 22:34:42 | Widget | captain_proton: /me studies the violin. |
| 22:34:54 | doughec | BZFrank: ok.. |
| 22:35:02 | nuum | something to do with the seasons or weather, isn't it? |
| 22:35:04 | Widget | captain_proton: And the theory associated with it. |
| 22:35:08 | nuum | or maybe not... |
| 22:35:11 | captain_proton | nuum: thats 1 |
| 22:35:12 | BZFrank | widget: NOT YET, SORRY ;) |
| 22:35:21 | doughec | gonna delete stdout |
| 22:35:27 | nuum | me just collect the music, me no listen to the music. |
| 22:35:29 | nuum | ;) |
| 22:35:33 | doughec | trying again |
| 22:35:39 | BZFrank | only testers get it right now, otherwise I have too much owrk with questions and maintenance |
| 22:35:41 | captain_proton | winks at nuum |
| 22:35:49 | nuum | now me works in the garden |
| 22:35:56 | captain_proton | nuum: what do you have in terms of richard strauss? |
| 22:36:00 | nuum | for no profit, but just for fun and sun-shine |
| 22:36:49 | nuum | proton: tsz obviously, dunno after that |
| 22:36:53 | m0nkeyb0y | nuum: do you have john tesh? |
| 22:36:55 | nuum | proton: haven't listened to too much |
| 22:36:56 | m0nkeyb0y | hehe |
| 22:36:58 | nuum | mb: hell yes |
| 22:37:01 | m0nkeyb0y | ew |
| 22:37:02 | m0nkeyb0y | ew |
| 22:37:07 | nuum | bwahahahahaha |
| 22:37:12 | nuum | monkey man love monkey boy |
| 22:37:13 | doughec | BZFrank: I get 1FPS |
| 22:37:18 | nuum | monkey man no hurt monkey boy |
| 22:37:23 | doughec | with -16bit and at high color |
| 22:37:32 | BZFrank | doughec: yes, that means software renderer |
| 22:37:34 | nuum | where is my copy of this game? |
| 22:37:35 | nuum | 2501? |
| 22:37:40 | doughec | ack |
| 22:37:42 | BZFrank | sorry, does not like your i810 card |
| 22:37:44 | doughec | rats |
| 22:37:46 | patlabor221 | cap updated #11 |
| 22:37:50 | doughec | I need a card... |
| 22:38:00 | patlabor221 | i810 isn't a card |
| 22:38:08 | patlabor221 | it's the southbrige pretending to be a card |
| 22:38:11 | captain_proton | i810 is a joke |
| 22:38:12 | patlabor221 | he's got no hardware |
| 22:38:12 | BZFrank | geforce2mx are cheapo should work, get one with 32 mb memory |
| 22:38:25 | patlabor221 | 38.95 |
| 22:38:30 | doughec | how much? |
| 22:38:31 | captain_proton | ep nuum wait |
| 22:38:36 | patlabor221 | + tax shiping and handaling |
| 22:38:39 | doughec | 38? |
| 22:38:41 | doughec | hmmm |
| 22:38:44 | captain_proton | nuum: lemme finish my other downloads first |
| 22:38:45 | patlabor221 | and soon I'll be able to sell em :) |
| 22:38:52 | BZFrank | and bzflag will run faster also ;) |
| 22:38:53 | doughec | patlabor221: hmmm |
| 22:38:57 | doughec | yea |
| 22:39:03 | doughec | a pci card? |
| 22:39:16 | doughec | I need a pci card.. |
| 22:39:20 | doughec | no AGP slot... |
| 22:39:21 | patlabor221 | bah |
| 22:39:22 | doughec | bah |
| 22:39:23 | captain_proton | patlabor221: looks better |
| 22:39:25 | patlabor221 | bah at PCI |
| 22:39:25 | nuum | i have a pci card for me second monitor! |
| 22:39:34 | doughec | bah at emachines |
| 22:39:34 | patlabor221 | cap: htat one is 80% |
| 22:39:43 | patlabor221 | shitcan it |
| 22:39:47 | doughec | lol |
| 22:39:49 | patlabor221 | put it in the bin |
| 22:39:56 | patlabor221 | I joke not |
| 22:40:03 | doughec | bah |
| 22:40:11 | captain_proton | patlabor221: ok, i'll drop this one into the page |
| 22:40:20 | captain_proton | patlabor221: still need the ctf logo though |
| 22:40:21 | nuum | i'm off to weed ze garden, later |
| 22:40:27 | patlabor221 | yeah I was just gonna say |
| 22:40:48 | patlabor221 | doug: I am lookin at making systems for a cost of $120 US for a 1.2 gig system |
| 22:41:10 | patlabor221 | and that's before we get whosale prices on the parts |
| 22:41:12 | m0nkeyb0y | i might be a customer palabor |
| 22:41:24 | patlabor221 | well we will sell them for more |
| 22:41:29 | patlabor221 | on e-bay |
| 22:41:49 | patlabor221 | but I will proalby make some higher end systems to sell to peopel I know |
| 22:41:52 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:42:01 | doughec | like, um, #bzflag people? |
| 22:42:07 | doughec | 120 bucks!!! |
| 22:42:12 | doughec | hwo can you do that? |
| 22:42:13 | BZFrank | so thats the reason for all your hardware around you... ;) |
| 22:42:36 | captain_proton | ooh, beautiful |
| 22:42:41 | captain_proton | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/ |
| 22:42:44 | doughec | if you can make a computer for $120, I will buy one from you |
| 22:42:56 | doughec | cannot find server |
| 22:43:07 | doughec | captain_proton: your web server dont work... |
| 22:43:13 | patlabor221 | I can make one for that, but I can't sell one for that |
| 22:43:20 | captain_proton | doughec: try restarting your browser |
| 22:43:22 | doughec | oh |
| 22:43:32 | patlabor221 | cap: updated wiht #12 ctf |
| 22:43:34 | captain_proton | doughec: some browsers cache DNS within the session, and my IP has changed a couple times |
| 22:43:39 | doughec | BZFrank: Renderer : GDI Generic <<<<< microsoft |
| 22:43:44 | doughec | captain_proton: ok |
| 22:43:51 | patlabor221 | doug: but I can sell one for $250 |
| 22:43:56 | doughec | 250 is good |
| 22:43:57 | patlabor221 | or posibly less |
| 22:44:01 | doughec | is it a good computer? |
| 22:44:11 | BZFrank | doughec: yes, that is the softweare one |
| 22:44:12 | doughec | I mean in motherboard and stuff? |
| 22:44:16 | patlabor221 | durron 1.2 giger wiht 128 megs of ram |
| 22:44:17 | captain_proton | patlabor221: ooh i almost forgot - you had a drive you wanted to send me? =} |
| 22:44:27 | patlabor221 | yeah I need to test them |
| 22:44:31 | doughec | patlabor221: *ahem* |
| 22:44:35 | patlabor221 | we ran low so I didn't know if they work |
| 22:44:38 | patlabor221 | I got 2 left |
| 22:44:41 | doughec | 2 left? |
| 22:44:47 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:44:48 | patlabor221 | 2 |
| 22:44:57 | BZFrank | pat: SIS chipset? |
| 22:44:57 | doughec | I thought you had 150 of them... |
| 22:45:02 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:45:04 | doughec | brb |
| 22:45:29 | patlabor221 | that's the question now, we are looking between an Biostar and and ECS, one has SIS one has Via |
| 22:45:43 | m0nkeyb0y | are you going to have a website patlabor? |
| 22:45:45 | patlabor221 | We sold a bunch |
| 22:45:46 | m0nkeyb0y | for puters? |
| 22:45:50 | patlabor221 | no just ebay |
| 22:45:56 | patlabor221 | and local sales |
| 22:46:06 | m0nkeyb0y | ahhh |
| 22:46:17 | patlabor221 | but I'm sure we can work something out |
| 22:46:17 | m0nkeyb0y | monkey in new mexico..alomost local |
| 22:46:18 | BZFrank | sis are pretty cheap here in germany |
| 22:46:26 | m0nkeyb0y | but definately loco |
| 22:46:26 | patlabor221 | yeah they are |
| 22:46:42 | patlabor221 | right now it's basicly what MB we can get in quantity for the best price |
| 22:46:58 | patlabor221 | I've had no probelms wiht the SIS sets |
| 22:47:02 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:47:13 | doughec | you make them your self? |
| 22:47:16 | patlabor221 | or the via's for that matter |
| 22:47:31 | BZFrank | the older ones tend to be a bit unstable after some days running... |
| 22:47:33 | patlabor221 | I will proalby do most of the inital asembly untill we train more people |
| 22:47:46 | BZFrank | but i am sure they learned a bit ;) |
| 22:48:01 | doughec | I had a sis computer here |
| 22:48:09 | doughec | could not run linux |
| 22:48:17 | doughec | woiuld crash like 2 hours after boot |
| 22:48:19 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:48:34 | doughec | it was a 200 mhz with 32 megs of ram... |
| 22:48:34 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:48:37 | BZFrank | they made great 486 boards back in the older days however, their EISA chipset were fast as a flying donkey |
| 22:48:48 | doughec | flying donkey? |
| 22:48:53 | doughec | I would like to see that |
| 22:48:59 | m0nkeyb0y | flying monkey you mean |
| 22:49:10 | doughec | how do you know how fast they go? |
| 22:49:12 | BZFrank | well, you won't believe the speed of a donkey dropped out of a plane in 10000 meters |
| 22:49:22 | doughec | MUAHAHAHA |
| 22:49:28 | patlabor221 | We may go wiht the via's they are looking to be cheaper |
| 22:49:34 | doughec | lol |
| 22:50:06 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:50:15 | doughec | patlabor221: you will be selling them on ebay? |
| 22:50:18 | patlabor221 | the base system that we sell will have intergrated video, but I'm going to see what I can get a difrent mobo and GF2's for |
| 22:50:22 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:50:27 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:50:38 | patlabor221 | but I'm sure we can do some direct sale stuff |
| 22:50:46 | doughec | and the intergrated video is what chipset? |
| 22:50:56 | doughec | nvidia? |
| 22:51:13 | patlabor221 | one has a s3 savage 4 and the other is a trident thing that I need to look more into |
| 22:51:18 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:51:20 | patlabor221 | no not nivida, i wish |
| 22:51:21 | doughec | is that good? |
| 22:51:29 | BZFrank | trash |
| 22:51:29 | doughec | chipset? |
| 22:51:34 | patlabor221 | we have a savage here, it's not horible |
| 22:51:36 | doughec | BZFrank: oh |
| 22:51:47 | BZFrank | get a real gfx card ;) |
| 22:51:48 | doughec | well, I would take a ge2 over that |
| 22:51:51 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:51:52 | patlabor221 | but I want to look into geting borads wiht full AGP and GF2mxs |
| 22:51:58 | BZFrank | good choice |
| 22:51:59 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:52:01 | doughec | yah |
| 22:52:04 | doughec | brb again |
| 22:52:09 | patlabor221 | not for the cheap ebay systems |
| 22:52:13 | angelina | bye guys |
| 22:52:20 | patlabor221 | but for ones that go direct |
| 22:52:28 | patlabor221 | bye |
| 22:52:41 | m0nkeyb0y | ok i am out |
| 22:52:48 | m0nkeyb0y | frank: thanks again! |
| 22:52:55 | patlabor221 | they would cost a tad more, but I'm thinking not mroe then $50 more |
| 22:52:56 | m0nkeyb0y | i will test it more tomorrow. |
| 22:52:58 | jzaun | anyone up to a 1.8 game? |
| 22:53:06 | BZFrank | a gf2mx200 goes for 39 euro here (inkl. 16 VAT) |
| 22:53:10 | m0nkeyb0y | looks very very good onkel frank |
| 22:53:19 | BZFrank | thank you! :) |
| 22:53:24 | m0nkeyb0y | good night all |
| 22:53:29 | BZFrank | cu |
| 22:53:40 | patlabor221 | hey I know that skybox :) |
| 22:53:50 | patlabor221 | used the same one in a test app |
| 22:54:06 | BZFrank | nope, I made this myself -> terragen |
| 22:54:12 | patlabor221 | realy |
| 22:54:17 | BZFrank | yes |
| 22:54:26 | patlabor221 | there are 2 on the wadftather that look just like it then |
| 22:54:31 | patlabor221 | they musta used the same thing then |
| 22:54:50 | BZFrank | yes, most people use terragen, cheap ad good ;) |
| 22:54:51 | doughec | re |
| 22:55:31 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:55:33 | BZFrank | also there is a script for doing this in terragen, just place your camera and presto -> 6 images |
| 22:58:03 | patlabor221 | ahhh very nice |
| 22:58:15 | patlabor221 | never figured out how to work that thing |
| 22:58:16 | doughec | hmm |
| 22:58:24 | patlabor221 | and bryce had a horible interface |
| 22:58:51 | BZFrank | still you can use the wadfather skyboxes for p2501, just replace the anim01-05 files in the data.zip ;) |
| 22:59:09 | BZFrank | some of them are REALLY nice |
| 22:59:12 | doughec | BZFrank: is there even a binary yet for X? |
| 22:59:29 | doughec | or is that not done yet? |
| 22:59:29 | BZFrank | x11? Linux? no, maybe in a few days |
| 22:59:36 | doughec | no |
| 22:59:38 | doughec | OS X |
| 22:59:39 | doughec | mac |
| 22:59:59 | BZFrank | gimme some time ok? |
| 22:59:59 | doughec | how do you know it can compile on mac OS X? |
| 23:00:03 | doughec | yea |
| 23:00:04 | patlabor221 | hmmm it's rather easy to get stuck in the second jump pad |
| 23:00:12 | doughec | but how do you know how to compile it? |
| 23:00:13 | doughec | er |
| 23:00:17 | BZFrank | because I used only cross platform libs and did nothing windows specific |
| 23:00:22 | doughec | oh |
| 23:00:23 | doughec | cool |
| 23:00:33 | doughec | what do you use to compile in OS X? |
| 23:00:35 | doughec | Gcc? |
| 23:00:45 | BZFrank | it will even run on playstation2 ;) |
| 23:00:48 | BZFrank | yep, gcc |
| 23:00:52 | doughec | really? |
| 23:00:55 | doughec | cool |
| 23:01:12 | doughec | but no networking.. |
| 23:01:13 | BZFrank | yes, SDL works for ps2, still I do not think this would be needed... but you never know |
| 23:01:19 | doughec | hehe |
| 23:01:34 | BZFrank | need to make a xbox version ;) |
| 23:01:43 | doughec | lol |
| 23:01:45 | doughec | yea |
| 23:02:00 | doughec | how do you make an xbox/PS2 verison? |
| 23:02:06 | doughec | is it easy? |
| 23:02:22 | patlabor221 | BZfrank: are you not mip maping? |
| 23:02:39 | patlabor221 | doug:L you get an x-box and an soldering iron |
| 23:02:46 | patlabor221 | then you woid your wanratny |
| 23:02:50 | doughec | oh |
| 23:02:54 | doughec | wow |
| 23:02:56 | BZFrank | pat - only for some textures |
| 23:03:04 | BZFrank | why? |
| 23:03:15 | patlabor221 | ok then that's why some of them swim like mad |
| 23:03:22 | patlabor221 | outer walls |
| 23:03:45 | BZFrank | ah, yes, these are straight from bz, so to speak - needs some tweaking |
| 23:04:09 | BZFrank | also the brick texture is bad |
| 23:04:44 | patlabor221 | you miping your self? or using GL? |
| 23:05:05 | BZFrank | gl also texture compression only by gl |
| 23:05:30 | BZFrank | if needed such features could be later added anytime |
| 23:06:00 | doughec | captain_proton: you here? |
| 23:06:46 | BZFrank | doug: xbox ps2 you'll need the ms or sony SDK, costs a lot $$$ |
| 23:06:51 | captain_proton | doughec: yes, to a point |
| 23:06:59 | doughec | LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file "vorbisenc_static.lib" |
| 23:07:01 | captain_proton | is fixing up the layout of the league page :) |
| 23:07:06 | doughec | lol |
| 23:07:14 | captain_proton | doughec: i thought we'd been through this |
| 23:07:17 | captain_proton | don't you ever learn? |
| 23:07:18 | doughec | yea |
| 23:07:21 | doughec | it compiled fine.. |
| 23:07:26 | doughec | but now it needs this... |
| 23:07:35 | doughec | I think it eats files... |
| 23:08:08 | BZFrank | doug: what do you compile? |
| 23:08:15 | doughec | bzflag 1.8 |
| 23:08:16 | captain_proton | chomp chomp |
| 23:08:22 | doughec | jzauns new hud |
| 23:08:26 | patlabor221 | BZFank: are you looking for real bugs in implementaion? or thinkgs that seem Odd? |
| 23:08:38 | doughec | captain_proton: having trouble with your dentures? |
| 23:09:07 | BZFrank | real bugs, oddities also but primarily crasher or bad issues |
| 23:09:19 | patlabor221 | okeys |
| 23:09:25 | captain_proton | doughec: no, that was me eating libraries |
| 23:09:34 | BZFrank | did 1.8 include OGG sound too? cool... ;) |
| 23:09:39 | doughec | yea |
| 23:09:51 | patlabor221 | I'll keep a list and mail it to you |
| 23:10:00 | BZFrank | pat: ok, thanks! |
| 23:10:00 | doughec | compiling.. |
| 23:10:07 | patlabor221 | so far 60fps solid on my P4 wiht a GF4 |
| 23:10:10 | BZFrank | pat: also if it works on ATI cards |
| 23:10:11 | doughec | ok |
| 23:10:12 | doughec | LIBC.lib(crt0init.obj) : warning LNK4098: defaultlib "libcmt.lib" conflicts with use of other libs; use /NODEFAULTLIB:library |
| 23:10:18 | patlabor221 | ok those are at home |
| 23:10:21 | captain_proton | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/league/ <-- prettier? |
| 23:10:30 | BZFrank | pat: try running with option -novsync to see the 'real' speed |
| 23:10:47 | patlabor221 | can the screen res be increased? |
| 23:11:07 | BZFrank | yes, but that would need a new hud (hud are bitmaps, not textures) |
| 23:11:31 | BZFrank | so each resolution in p2501 needs a tailor made hud |
| 23:11:39 | BZFrank | as it is not rescaled |
| 23:11:41 | patlabor221 | 461 :) |
| 23:11:47 | patlabor221 | ick |
| 23:11:49 | BZFrank | see ;) |
| 23:11:54 | doughec | hmm |
| 23:12:20 | patlabor221 | that's why I allways seperate my huds and atache em to each side of the screen so it can change |
| 23:12:44 | BZFrank | then again I wanted the bzflag layout |
| 23:12:46 | patlabor221 | well the defalut world can't have more then 10k polys per frame so that's nothin for this card |
| 23:13:10 | doughec | wow |
| 23:13:14 | doughec | I dont knwo what I did |
| 23:13:15 | BZFrank | yes, type 'demomode' in teh console (f1) for some more work for your gfx card |
| 23:13:30 | doughec | but 1.8 is getting 28 FPS |
| 23:13:33 | doughec | :) |
| 23:13:57 | BZFrank | are loadable models also in 1.8? which format? |
| 23:14:08 | doughec | anyone want to join on jzauns server? |
| 23:14:35 | patlabor221 | 180-200 in demo mode |
| 23:14:48 | patlabor221 | still not pushing it :) |
| 23:14:58 | BZFrank | ok, and this is debug code |
| 23:15:24 | patlabor221 | frame rate is good for what's shown |
| 23:15:28 | BZFrank | but a gf4 is quite a fast beast together with a p4 |
| 23:15:30 | patlabor221 | you just frustum culling? |
| 23:15:35 | captain_proton | BZFrank: model format is our own xml format |
| 23:16:30 | BZFrank | right now, yes on GF3/GF4 it can use the OccQuery extension, but this only gets your more in indoor worlds |
| 23:17:01 | captain_proton | -there- we go |
| 23:17:06 | captain_proton | league page all cleaned up |
| 23:17:07 | patlabor221 | still it's proalby enought for what yor doing |
| 23:17:33 | BZFrank | yep, also for these outdoor scenes it work pretty good |
| 23:17:39 | patlabor221 | cap: now put it on a real port so us port blocked people can see it :) |
| 23:18:12 | patlabor221 | BZFrank: did you implement any of the animation support from milkshape? |
| 23:18:26 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i can't put it on 80 - isp blocks it |
| 23:18:26 | BZFrank | no, but technically no problem, I load it already |
| 23:18:51 | patlabor221 | cus I got 2 words |
| 23:19:03 | patlabor221 | "Giant efen Robots" :) |
| 23:19:49 | captain_proton | patlabor221: are those the bobots? |
| 23:20:06 | patlabor221 | they are related in a basic sense yes |
| 23:20:25 | patlabor221 | moistly used to combat the bobots |
| 23:20:47 | patlabor221 | I should branch BZflag and make BZFlag GFR edition :) |
| 23:22:09 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 23:24:18 | patlabor221 | flags like "power stomp" |
| 23:24:22 | patlabor221 | and "nut shot" |
| 23:24:56 | captain_proton | i like it :) |
| 23:26:00 | BZFrank | ok, folks I go to bed |
| 23:26:09 | doughec | cya |
| 23:26:10 | captain_proton | 'night frank |
| 23:26:19 | doughec | captain_proton: wanna play 1.8? |
| 23:26:19 | BZFrank | need to go out early to go to the hospital, my father is very ill |
| 23:26:23 | captain_proton | btw patlabor221 on the logo page (probably moot point now) the grey is #818181 |
| 23:26:30 | doughec | BZFrank: oh... |
| 23:26:32 | doughec | :( |
| 23:26:34 | captain_proton | doughec: no |
| 23:26:39 | doughec | ok |
| 23:26:39 | captain_proton | doughec: ima web site hacking |
| 23:26:43 | doughec | lol |
| 23:26:56 | BZFrank | later |
| 23:31:08 | doughec | hmm |
| 23:31:17 | doughec | bzflag 1.8 gives me an error when I quit.. |
| 23:31:49 | doughec | its means stack overflow... |
| 23:31:52 | doughec | ?? |
| 23:31:55 | doughec | oh well... |
| 23:32:40 | doughec | captain_proton: what files are needed to run on another computer? |
| 23:32:52 | doughec | just the exe and the data folder? |
| 23:34:24 | captain_proton | doughec: should be |
| 23:34:27 | doughec | ok |
| 23:35:15 | doughec | I have a stuffit exe here, that has 1.8 in it... |
| 23:37:36 | captain_proton | why didn't you just build the installer? |
| 23:37:43 | doughec | um |
| 23:37:46 | doughec | how do I do that? |
| 23:38:13 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/new/developers/compiling.php |
| 23:38:27 | doughec | ok |
| 23:39:16 | doughec | I thought it was broke.... |
| 23:39:33 | captain_proton | no - changing wavs to oggs fixedit |
| 23:39:51 | patlabor221 | yeah cap I got the colors wrong |
| 23:40:18 | doughec | oh |
| 23:41:10 | patlabor221 | I was just sein how they look on a test page |
| 23:46:36 | captain_proton | color codes the flag list |
| 23:48:48 | Widget | captain_proton, kind helper to new developers, or neat freak? |
| 23:49:00 | captain_proton | Widget: kind helper |
| 23:49:02 | doughec | haha |
| 23:49:08 | captain_proton | Widget: i'm doing this mostly for me |
| 23:49:15 | captain_proton | Widget: to keep track of what riker approves of, etc |
| 23:50:28 | Widget | captain_proton: Hm.... so if you're doing this mostly for you, you're a selfish helper? |
| 23:50:45 | doughec | shellfish helper |
| 23:50:48 | captain_proton | Widget: exactly |
| 23:50:51 | Widget | Wanda the Fish. |
| 23:50:56 | doughec | hehe |
| 23:51:44 | Widget | captain_proton? |
| 23:51:50 | | somebody said captain_proton was Wanda the GNOME Fish |
| 23:51:50 | Widget | ibot: captain_proton? |
| 23:51:57 | captain_proton | argg |
| 23:52:01 | doughec | haha |
| 23:52:09 | Widget | I put it back. |
| 23:52:09 | | i already had it that way, captain_proton. |
| 23:52:09 | captain_proton | ibot, no, captain_proton is <reply>Mr. Aphenphosmphobia |
| 23:52:11 | Widget | To what it was. |
| 23:52:31 | | doughec: what? |
| 23:52:31 | doughec | ibot shutup you big mouth |
| 23:55:25 | | wish i knew, widget |
| 23:55:25 | Widget | ibot: doughec? |
| 23:55:55 | Widget | doughec: Install Linux on your Mac. |
| 23:56:02 | doughec | never |
| 23:56:05 | Widget | doughec: That is what I did to my Macintosh IIvx. |
| 23:56:09 | doughec | install OS 10.2 |
| 23:56:21 | Widget | doughec: Er.... it's a 68k mac, right? |
| 23:56:32 | Widget | doughec: In any case, OS 10.2 won't be out till August. |
| 23:56:34 | doughec | Widget: I tried installing linux on my LC 520 |
| 23:56:35 | captain_proton | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/developers/flags.php |
| 23:56:37 | captain_proton | beautiful |
| 23:56:50 | Widget | Yes, no typo this time. |
| 23:56:52 | doughec | but the 10.2 will run on a G4 |
| 23:57:09 | doughec | um |
| 23:57:12 | Widget | captain_proton: Er.... the legend doesn't work. |
| 23:57:19 | doughec | captain_proton: that web site still dont work |
| 23:57:28 | captain_proton | Widget: what farked up browser are you using? |
| 23:57:34 | Widget | captain_proton: Mozilla. |
| 23:57:37 | doughec | I am using mozzila |
| 23:57:40 | doughec | ah! |
| 23:57:43 | doughec | wierd |
| 23:57:56 | captain_proton | Widget: screenshot me |
| 23:57:59 | Widget | Well, they might be different colours. Hard to tell. |
| 23:58:04 | Widget | The line is too thin. |
| 23:58:22 | doughec | reboots |
| 23:58:57 | doughec | captain_proton: bin\makedb.exe -i bzflag.spc -o lib\database.obj -b 1048576 |
| 23:59:04 | doughec | its been on it for a long time... |
| 23:59:11 | captain_proton | doughec: yes, it takes a long time |
| 23:59:18 | doughec | using up all my cpu power.. |
