| 02:15:48 | Nicole3 | hi ppl |
| 02:15:53 | Nicole3 | ppl=people ;-) |
| 02:27:28 | Nicole3 | ok then |
| 03:09:11 | captain_proton | keeps his eyes peeled for patlabor221 |
| 03:15:13 | Nicole3 | hehe |
| 03:17:01 | | Skipp was last seen on #bzflag 20 days, 10 hours, 32 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen quol [Sat Aug 3 17:44:57 2002] |
| 03:17:01 | Nicole3 | ibot: seen Skipp |
| 03:17:08 | Nicole3 | lol |
| 05:10:19 | Widget | I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God. |
| 05:43:53 | bzgirl | hi |
| 05:45:10 | Widget | Sigh... you try to recieve French radio to practice French, and all the songs are in English. |
| 07:05:43 | captain_proton | uggg |
| 07:05:46 | captain_proton | anaglyph mode is painful |
| 07:15:16 | Cell_prog_insect | wha |
| 07:15:47 | Cell_prog_insect | i have a q on operator overloading in c++, dont sure on the following: |
| 07:16:40 | Cell_prog_insect | inlineconstmatrixoperator *=(const matrix &m) |
| 07:16:40 | Cell_prog_insect | { |
| 07:16:40 | Cell_prog_insect | for (unsigned int i = 0; i < N*M; i++) _data[i] *= m._data[i]; |
| 07:16:40 | Cell_prog_insect | return *this; |
| 07:16:40 | Cell_prog_insect | } |
| 07:18:12 | Cell_prog_insect | the operator returns *this, a reference to the first operand: so if u write: matrix m;matrix n;matrix k;k = m * n; |
| 07:18:32 | captain_proton | *this is not a reference |
| 07:18:32 | Cell_prog_insect | then m == k, m has no more its old value |
| 07:18:34 | captain_proton | *this is value |
| 07:19:54 | Cell_prog_insect | so if i write int n, m, k; k = m* n; then m still has its old value, so the matrix operator overloading is wrong or? |
| 07:21:51 | Cell_prog_insect | it has to be |
| 07:21:53 | Cell_prog_insect | inlineconstmatrixoperator *=(const matrix &m) |
| 07:21:53 | Cell_prog_insect | { |
| 07:21:53 | Cell_prog_insect | matrix *result = new matrix(); |
| 07:21:53 | Cell_prog_insect | for (unsigned int i = 0; i < N*M; i++) result._data[i] = _data[i] * m._data[i]; |
| 07:21:53 | Cell_prog_insect | return *result; |
| 07:21:54 | Cell_prog_insect | } |
| 07:22:16 | Cell_prog_insect | first create the result matrix dynamically |
| 07:22:17 | captain_proton | m still has its own value |
| 07:22:23 | captain_proton | err |
| 07:22:35 | Cell_prog_insect | it has the result value |
| 07:22:35 | captain_proton | wait, not if you write it like the first one, no |
| 07:23:07 | captain_proton | wait, ignore me for a minute |
| 07:23:11 | captain_proton | you pasted a *= operator |
| 07:23:16 | captain_proton | which is written correctly |
| 07:24:34 | Cell_prog_insect | of course the first version would be faster, but it would destroy the first operand |
| 07:24:49 | captain_proton | but in a *=, you WANT it to destroy the first operand |
| 07:25:00 | captain_proton | such as m *= k |
| 07:25:32 | Cell_prog_insect | yes, but int n, m, k; k = m* n; after the mult the m variable has its old value, so... |
| 07:25:54 | captain_proton | a * operator would look something like this: |
| 07:26:28 | captain_proton | inline const matrix operator *(const matrix &m) |
| 07:26:29 | captain_proton | { |
| 07:26:29 | captain_proton | matrix result; |
| 07:26:29 | captain_proton | for (unsigned int i = 0; i < N*M; i++) result._data[i] = _data[i] * m._data[i]; |
| 07:26:29 | captain_proton | return result; |
| 07:26:29 | captain_proton | } |
| 07:26:38 | captain_proton | no reason to allocate it on the heap |
| 07:27:19 | Cell_prog_insect | not thats bad |
| 07:27:46 | captain_proton | why is that bad? |
| 07:27:48 | Cell_prog_insect | because if u call the func a second time, ur first result is overwritten |
| 07:27:58 | captain_proton | explain? |
| 07:28:10 | captain_proton | local variables are allocated on the stack at the time of the function call |
| 07:28:21 | captain_proton | when the function exits, the local variables are dead |
| 07:28:37 | Cell_prog_insect | ok, then of course u are right |
| 07:28:55 | Cell_prog_insect | i thought its allocated once for ever to speed things up |
| 07:29:17 | Cell_prog_insect | err |
| 07:29:44 | captain_proton | it is if its defined as static, but in this case you don't care if the result matrix stays constant between calls |
| 07:29:50 | Cell_prog_insect | then u are wrong , because its popped from the stack after function returns |
| 07:29:50 | captain_proton | and static variables increase bloat |
| 07:30:03 | Cell_prog_insect | and overwritten |
| 07:30:10 | captain_proton | its popped from the stack |
| 07:30:11 | captain_proton | but you return the result |
| 07:30:21 | Cell_prog_insect | oh, k |
| 07:30:34 | Cell_prog_insect | i t copies it all, |
| 07:30:49 | captain_proton | right |
| 07:31:00 | Cell_prog_insect | i forgot it does not return only a reference like in c#, stupido me |
| 07:31:26 | captain_proton | on x86 it technically returns a pointer, but there's no need to think about that :) |
| 07:31:52 | Cell_prog_insect | ok , but where does it allocate space for the copy? |
| 07:32:12 | captain_proton | somewhere |
| 07:32:16 | captain_proton | you don't need to concern yourself about that |
| 07:32:41 | captain_proton | if you're really anal about speed, the bzflag (1.8) math libs have a template expression evaluator |
| 07:32:44 | Cell_prog_insect | sbut then the version with new, maybe is equally fast, |
| 07:33:00 | captain_proton | no, because when you dereference result, you make another copy |
| 07:33:03 | captain_proton | as well as leak memory |
| 07:33:04 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:33:10 | Cell_prog_insect | oh, k |
| 07:34:40 | Cell_prog_insect | err, no u do not derefference any thing u pass the result as 32 bit pointer |
| 07:35:09 | Cell_prog_insect | i wrote it wrong |
| 07:35:38 | Cell_prog_insect | inlineconstmatrix*operator *=(const matrix &m) |
| 07:35:39 | Cell_prog_insect | { |
| 07:35:39 | Cell_prog_insect | matrix *result = new matrix(); |
| 07:35:39 | Cell_prog_insect | for (unsigned int i = 0; i < N*M; i++) result._data[i] = _data[i] * m._data[i]; |
| 07:35:39 | Cell_prog_insect | return result; |
| 07:35:39 | Cell_prog_insect | } |
| 07:35:57 | Cell_prog_insect | thats the correct version |
| 07:36:56 | Cell_prog_insect | it returns a pointer, oh but then, there is no way to mult more then two factors at once like k = r*m*n |
| 07:37:07 | Cell_prog_insect | shit |
| 07:45:05 | captain_proton | but you're implementing *= |
| 07:45:20 | captain_proton | there's no reason to make operators return pointers except in very strange situations |
| 07:45:24 | captain_proton | now, i must be off to bed |
| 07:45:34 | Cell_prog_insect | ok thank u |
| 07:48:49 | Cell_prog_insect | u are right, im a fool, i wanted to implement * not *= |
| 07:51:36 | Cell_prog_insect | inlineconstmatrixoperator *(const matrix &m) const |
| 07:51:36 | Cell_prog_insect | { |
| 07:51:36 | Cell_prog_insect | matrixresult; |
| 07:51:36 | Cell_prog_insect | for (unsigned int i = 0; i < N*M; i++) result._data[i] = _data[i] * m._data[i]; |
| 07:51:36 | Cell_prog_insect | return result; |
| 07:51:36 | Cell_prog_insect | } |
| 07:52:00 | Cell_prog_insect | ok i took this, as u wrote, k thank u again |
| 08:46:49 | [BZ]Ruudi | hello |
| 10:21:07 | [BZ]Ruudi | hell work sucks life out of me....i can't take it even an one hour! |
| 11:09:24 | strayer | hi all |
| 12:08:53 | fontenot | no good games/servers going at all |
| 12:20:06 | Ruudi_ | what do you mean fontenot? |
| 12:20:39 | [BZ]Ruudi | no nice server to play? |
| 12:58:58 | | bomber was last seen on #bzflag 19 hours, 38 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: someone for ducati ? [Fri Aug 23 18:20:33 2002] |
| 12:58:58 | Pinguin | ibot seen bomber |
| 13:00:42 | fontenot | god fucking damn |
| 13:00:58 | fontenot | fucking server admins should set player limits correctly |
| 13:01:23 | fontenot | several servers I go to and play and it's finw until more ppl join then lag goes to totally unplayable levels |
| 13:01:23 | Chestal | hi there |
| 13:01:41 | Chestal | settign more than 10 players usually is too much |
| 13:01:55 | fontenot | most seem to not set a limit at all or use the defaults |
| 13:02:19 | Chestal | admins should make their email public so you could at least contact them somehow |
| 13:02:47 | fontenot | heh, it would be nice to even have admins on FFA servers |
| 13:04:13 | fontenot | hi mrapathy |
| 13:04:24 | fontenot | that server got even worse so I left too |
| 13:04:45 | fontenot | and when I started I had a 43ms lagstats :-( |
| 13:04:57 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 13:05:01 | [BZ]Ruudi | those 10shot jumpers are allways laggy and so but anyway there is nothing to do with lag if you got air thick of bullets |
| 13:05:34 | fontenot | i think the server's network connection got saturated |
| 13:06:01 | [BZ]Ruudi | i think there should come new version of bz no more than 3 shot... |
| 13:06:23 | [BZ]Ruudi | that click click click mouse killin game is bit boring....but only my guess |
| 13:06:48 | fontenot | last server I was on was 5 shot |
| 13:07:12 | [BZ]Ruudi | check ducati no lag problems for me |
| 13:07:35 | fontenot | what's the player limit on ducati? |
| 13:07:43 | fontenot | I think it's setup correctly |
| 13:07:52 | MrApathyCream | ducati 8 i think |
| 13:08:17 | Chestal | there's one nice 1 shot server out there |
| 13:08:31 | Chestal | that's fun as long as not too many people join |
| 13:08:35 | [BZ]Ruudi | ducati non ctf got bigger limit... |
| 13:08:44 | fontenot | yeah that's an intersting game 1-shot |
| 13:08:53 | fontenot | dunno if I would want to play it all the time tho |
| 13:09:01 | [BZ]Ruudi | jump makes one shot bit booring for me |
| 13:09:14 | Chestal | hmm, it's ok |
| 13:09:19 | Chestal | it's silly to jump with 1 shot anyway |
| 13:09:31 | Chestal | so it's easy to shoot all the newbies which jump all the time - as long as lag is ok |
| 13:09:37 | Chestal | steamrolelr is great fun there :-) |
| 13:09:40 | [BZ]Ruudi | :) |
| 13:09:47 | [BZ]Ruudi | lets have some fun then :) |
| 13:09:58 | Chestal | I can't, I am at home and my network is saturated |
| 13:10:53 | fontenot | yeah shooting jumpers with 1-shot would require very consistent lag |
| 13:11:41 | Chestal | actually I found it to be ok on that server |
| 13:11:56 | Chestal | with 1 shot ou usually have enough time to shoot very carefully |
| 13:20:44 | [BZ]Ruudi | needs cd-r's for movies |
| 13:22:56 | paulj | hi bryjen |
| 13:23:11 | bryjen | hi |
| 13:23:33 | paulj | any games coming up for res? |
| 13:23:39 | paulj | i've not been keeping up recently. |
| 13:24:07 | bryjen | things have slowed down |
| 13:24:23 | paulj | aye... |
| 13:24:28 | bryjen | i've been busy too |
| 13:25:21 | bryjen | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:25:22 | bzbot | Red: 1 players, score: 0 | Green: 1 players, score: 1 | |
| 13:25:56 | bryjen | anyone else awake in here ? |
| 13:26:38 | paulj | only me |
| 13:28:08 | bryjen | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:28:09 | bzbot | nobody (R): -1 (0-1). Yeti (G): 9 (57-48). |
| 13:28:34 | bryjen | i'm going back to ducati for a while then |
| 14:20:27 | Cell_prog_insect | ibot help |
| 16:50:29 | captain_proton | bad chanserv! |
| 16:52:06 | jzaun | Greetings all |
| 16:53:18 | paulj | hi |
| 16:55:43 | jpablo | damn, i'm very laggy in ducati. |
| 16:56:14 | paulj | aye, i had same problem yesterday eve. |
| 16:58:16 | jpablo | :-( |
| 16:58:35 | jpablo | i had have the problem all the week :-( |
| 17:00:44 | paulj | i havnt used ducati earlier in the week - but it was v. laggy last night when i was there. |
| 17:03:32 | paulj | Chestal: there? |
| 17:04:50 | jzaun | anyone real busy? |
| 17:05:22 | jzaun | er... anyone not real busy? |
| 17:08:55 | captain_proton | jzaun: what do you need? |
| 17:09:16 | jzaun | could you hop on jzaun.com... I wanna see is my script is working properlly |
| 17:09:39 | captain_proton | 5157? |
| 17:09:45 | jzaun | yah |
| 17:10:10 | jzaun | you on as gonzo? |
| 17:10:32 | jzaun | guess not... he just hopped on too |
| 17:10:41 | jzaun | thats good, thanks... it works |
| 17:24:49 | [BZ]Ruudi | night |
| 18:07:19 | mandy | hihihi |
| 18:08:22 | mandy | fine don't say hi |
| 18:08:50 | paulj | hi! |
| 18:08:51 | paulj | :) |
| 18:08:59 | mandy | thank you :) |
| 18:09:54 | mandy | <('_'<) |
| 18:10:17 | mandy | (>'_')> |
| 18:10:28 | mandy | <(o_o)> |
| 18:10:33 | mandy | hehehe |
| 18:11:26 | paulj | anyway... have to go now. |
| 18:11:29 | paulj | bye mandy.. |
| 18:11:32 | mandy | bye |
| 18:12:01 | jzaun | hello mandy |
| 18:12:05 | mandy | hi |
| 18:12:20 | jzaun | how are you this fine day? |
| 18:12:21 | mandy | hmm |
| 18:12:27 | mandy | i'm great |
| 18:12:30 | mandy | and you? |
| 18:12:41 | jzaun | Good, I'm doing ok, just working on a website |
| 18:12:49 | mandy | i see |
| 18:13:08 | mandy | great fun, eh? |
| 18:13:15 | jzaun | Have you played on the rotating server, jzaun.com:5157? |
| 18:13:30 | mandy | maybe once or twice |
| 18:13:48 | jzaun | I'm making a website for it: http://jzaun.com/bzflag/ |
| 18:14:03 | jzaun | just started about 20 min ago though |
| 18:14:19 | mandy | thats great |
| 18:16:07 | mandy | hmm |
| 18:28:29 | mandy | oopss |
| 20:58:09 | captain_proton | DONKEY MODE!!!! |
| 20:58:23 | jzaun | donkey mode? |
| 20:58:40 | captain_proton | listening to ferde grofe's grand canyon suite |
| 20:59:13 | jzaun | I take it you like it with all the ! you added :-) |
| 20:59:56 | captain_proton | well - it goes into donkey mode |
| 21:00:12 | captain_proton | grofe's music is so obnoxious... |
| 21:00:19 | jzaun | heh |
| 21:01:02 | jzaun | to each there own, I've been listening to "The 2000 Year Old Man In The Year 2000" comedy skit |
| 21:03:34 | jzaun | captain_proton: the bzfquere.pl script, I take it is connects differently than the clients do, correct? |
| 21:05:06 | captain_proton | i think it just never sends the entry messages |
| 21:06:01 | jzaun | Would it be possible to get the time remaining without sending the entry message? |
| 21:06:17 | captain_proton | *shrug* |
| 21:06:22 | captain_proton | you'd have to look at the protocol doc |
| 21:06:32 | jzaun | heh.. joy |
| 21:06:39 | captain_proton | its not THAT bad |
| 21:06:59 | jzaun | heh, ok sure :-) |
| 21:07:23 | jzaun | I'de like to add the time remining on the stats page |
| 21:08:52 | captain_proton | stats page? :) |
| 21:09:07 | jzaun | http://jzaun.com/bzflag |
| 21:10:24 | jzaun | I have to call my ISP and get bzflag.jzaun.com hooked up |
| 21:10:40 | captain_proton | hmm, i see some errors |
| 21:11:08 | jzaun | where? |
| 21:11:18 | captain_proton | eaglenest and parking deck need their angles converted to degrees, and they were created by grape of wrath, not his blind ambition (unless they're mysteriously the same person) |
| 21:11:49 | jzaun | I'll fix them up |
| 21:14:31 | jzaun | Author changed... I had it right on the server's -public messgae, just not the site |
| 21:14:48 | jzaun | I'll convert them soon |
| 21:22:23 | jzaun | ok, converted the maps, just need to get the new screenshots to the maps page |
| 21:30:52 | captain_proton | don't suppose you know where patlabor is off hiding? |
| 21:31:03 | jzaun | nop :-( |
| 21:33:14 | captain_proton | he's up to no good, i just know it |
| 21:33:40 | jzaun | Well... whats fun with behaving? |
| 21:35:29 | jzaun | So have you played all the maps I currently have listed... still have about 4-5 more to get put up |
| 21:37:37 | captain_proton | i'm not sure i've played some of the random gerbil worlds |
| 22:41:08 | pmaime | dont suppose any 'o you fine chaps know how to run half life on linux? |
| 23:06:35 | pmaime | soooo quiet... |
| 23:09:43 | | :) |
| 23:09:43 | pmaime | ibot: botsnack |
| 23:34:38 | n0hot | whois |
| 23:41:17 | pmaime | oh hey than dinah's boy |
| 23:42:07 | pmaime | Patlabor221 not there i guess |
| 23:42:23 | Patlabor221 | I am |
| 23:42:30 | Patlabor221 | I am now |
| 23:42:38 | pmaime | so you are, so you are |
| 23:42:50 | Patlabor221 | hows it going? |
| 23:43:13 | pmaime | well as to be expected |
| 23:44:22 | pmaime | bit lonely in the big appartment, know |
| 23:44:30 | Patlabor221 | :( |
| 23:44:54 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure she'll be back soon |
| 23:45:31 | pmaime | yes, i myself was booted form the 'ospital today, bit to roudy i suppose |
| 23:45:53 | Patlabor221 | I never liked thos places |
| 23:46:56 | pmaime | spent a bit to much time as a visitor lately, lest in my mind |
| 23:47:05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:47:17 | Patlabor221 | you didn't make too much of a ruckus did you? |
| 23:47:29 | pmaime | well twas for a good cause |
| 23:47:39 | Patlabor221 | true true |
| 23:48:46 | pmaime | sides shes bloody paying enough for them to tolerate me more than usual ;-) |
| 23:49:36 | pmaime | in |
| 23:49:52 | pmaime | bollin wrong window |
| 23:50:32 | Patlabor221 | well they can't kick out the paying "guests" can they. |
| 23:50:45 | pmaime | is much too drunk... |
| 23:50:58 | Patlabor221 | what the bartender serving tongiht? |
| 23:51:32 | pmaime | double and twisted, white lightning to you colonials id say |
| 23:51:46 | Patlabor221 | I do not know what that is |
| 23:52:12 | pmaime | the old moonshine, corn liquor |
| 23:52:21 | Patlabor221 | only thing I've had recently was what we call "mexican piss water" |
| 23:52:31 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 23:52:38 | pmaime | bloody unapitising |
| 23:52:45 | Patlabor221 | no it was crap |
| 23:52:54 | Patlabor221 | need to get me some decent lager |
| 23:53:12 | pmaime | bah at low alchol shite |
| 23:54:05 | Patlabor221 | well when you are gonna drink a lot of it |
| 23:54:31 | Patlabor221 | but nothin beats a bunch of good cape cods |
| 23:54:41 | pmaime | taint no point in the extra callories |
| 23:56:27 | pmaime | pours a shot for YaST2! |
| 23:57:04 | pmaime | drink up ya infernal machine, put hair on yor processors |
| 23:58:21 | Patlabor221 | proalby help cool it too |
| 23:59:43 | pmaime | nah bloody boil it live it twod |