| 00:01:50 | bzdoug | er |
| 00:02:00 | bzdoug | BZFlag: you can get bzbots code... |
| 00:02:19 | bzdoug | http://heckamangroup.com/old/files/ |
| 00:02:22 | | i haven't a clue, bzdoug |
| 00:02:22 | bzdoug | ibot bzbot? |
| 00:02:33 | | OK, bzdoug. |
| 00:02:33 | bzdoug | ibot bzbot is http://heckamangroup.com/old/files/ |
| 00:02:48 | trboyden | Hi all! How do you make flags appear on buildings? |
| 00:03:58 | bzdoug | good luck! |
| 00:04:10 | bzdoug | is away: bogus ford |
| 00:09:21 | sussudio | trboyden: man bzfs |
| 00:09:35 | n0hot | trboyden: add -fb to your bzfs |
| 00:10:07 | n0hot | trboyden: it allows falgs on box buildings |
| 00:17:18 | captain_proton | returns |
| 00:17:58 | tvon | captain_proton: is decks avail for non-capt use? |
| 00:18:09 | captain_proton | tvon: hum? |
| 00:18:26 | tvon | decks map, can I get a lil? |
| 00:18:37 | captain_proton | oh, yeah, hang on |
| 00:18:41 | tvon | ah, lovely |
| 00:19:19 | captain_proton | oughta be up |
| 00:20:29 | tvon | bhasarka? |
| 00:20:33 | tvon | er...what is it? |
| 00:20:39 | captain_proton | yup, bhaskara |
| 00:20:43 | tvon | lovely |
| 00:20:44 | tvon | tnx |
| 00:23:07 | trboyden | Thanks n0hot! sussudio blow me, it wasn't on the man page I printed out... |
| 00:24:16 | jacques | that was nice |
| 00:24:33 | tvon | haha |
| 00:24:52 | tvon | *shrug* |
| 00:24:57 | tvon | cant find your server capt |
| 00:25:09 | tvon | bhaskara.bzflag.org? |
| 00:25:12 | tvon | oh crap, port? |
| 00:25:18 | | i think 5000 is SL-5000D |
| 00:25:18 | tvon | 5000? |
| 00:26:08 | jacques | i dont see it in the server list |
| 00:26:52 | captain_proton | port 5155 |
| 00:26:58 | tvon | ah, tnx |
| 00:27:32 | captain_proton | strange it not being in the list |
| 00:27:41 | tvon | ah, hostname timeout |
| 00:27:56 | tvon | no resp to ping |
| 00:28:05 | captain_proton | ping won't work |
| 00:28:13 | tvon | dyndns out of date? |
| 00:28:20 | captain_proton | just updated it |
| 00:29:11 | captain_proton | try now |
| 00:30:09 | tvon | no dice |
| 00:30:14 | tvon | maybe wait a few mins... |
| 00:30:38 | tvon | Dammit, I hate it when I talk like a moron online |
| 00:30:46 | tvon | "maybe I'll wait a few minutes" |
| 00:30:52 | tvon | perhaps if I wasnt so lazy... |
| 00:31:21 | tvon | is the bzfs -world argument supposed to be a full path? |
| 00:32:17 | captain_proton | full path, relative path, doesn't matter so long as it can find the world file |
| 00:32:55 | tvon | okay |
| 00:34:29 | Widget | http://canadamove.net |
| 00:38:13 | jacques | i always wanted to start a site where ppl could send me money |
| 00:38:24 | jacques | to do with as I pleased |
| 00:38:53 | jacques | no noble goals, just, sed me money and I will spend it |
| 00:39:31 | tvon | heh |
| 00:40:10 | jacques | and manye I will update the site with pics of me having fun with the money |
| 00:40:11 | jacques | maybe |
| 00:41:46 | tvon | ...sticking the $1's in a strippers drawers |
| 00:42:10 | sussudio | jacques: i think lilo on here beat you to it |
| 00:42:15 | sussudio | except he uses server notices |
| 00:43:10 | sussudio | people left and started some other nets.. one is actually called "lilofree.net" |
| 00:43:14 | captain_proton | sussudio: but lilo needs that money to eat! |
| 00:43:21 | sussudio | hey i need money to eat too |
| 00:43:39 | captain_proton | sussudio: but you don't admin the "most important irc network in the world" ;) |
| 00:43:48 | sussudio | fee-node? |
| 00:43:56 | captain_proton | aka you have a job |
| 00:44:02 | Nicole3 | bye people |
| 00:44:23 | sussudio | hm i see a solution here |
| 00:44:33 | sussudio | money to eat requires job....... |
| 00:44:40 | sussudio | irc admin = no job |
| 00:44:41 | jacques | maybe I would pretend to be a really cute chick |
| 00:44:46 | sussudio | lilo = get real job! |
| 00:44:52 | jacques | ppl would be more likely to send me money |
| 00:45:03 | jacques | nah, too much hassle |
| 00:45:04 | captain_proton | but then lilo would have to delegate power (ie give some people ircop), which he seems to have an aversion to doing |
| 00:45:12 | sussudio | jacques: no, they would just send you naked pictures of themselves, it ain't pretty |
| 00:46:31 | jacques | sussudio: yeah that makes sense. I hadnt thought og that :-\ |
| 00:46:57 | jacques | LOL then I could blackmail them by saying I would put their pics online |
| 00:47:03 | jacques | hmmm this could work |
| 00:47:10 | Widget | I don't like the way you think, jacques. |
| 00:47:27 | jacques | heh, just screwing around |
| 00:47:36 | sussudio | hmm no jacques..... they're naked 45 year olds. they want you to put their pics online. |
| 00:47:36 | jacques | dont take me seriously |
| 00:48:08 | jacques | ok I guess I will have to keep my day job :-\ |
| 00:48:21 | sussudio | jacques: supersize that |
| 00:48:28 | captain_proton | threaten to email the pics to their wives, along with a note that their husband's mail-order of your panties should be arriving soon ;) |
| 00:48:47 | jacques | LOL |
| 00:49:12 | jacques | i thought of that but decided they probably would not have wives or girlfriends |
| 00:49:24 | sussudio | jacques: www.realdoll.com |
| 00:50:37 | jacques | LOL |
| 00:50:42 | jacques | what will they think of next |
| 00:50:56 | captain_proton | jacques: hmm, next they'll think of www.realhamster.com |
| 00:50:57 | Widget | Hm. |
| 00:51:01 | sussudio | something that doesnt look like a corpse? |
| 00:51:15 | tvon | test |
| 00:51:21 | sussudio | test |
| 00:51:32 | tvon | sorry |
| 00:52:28 | jacques | realdeaddoll.com |
| 00:52:42 | jacques | for ppl with certain proclivities |
| 00:53:35 | blair | sup |
| 00:53:44 | sussudio | dolls |
| 00:53:54 | blair | dolls is sup? |
| 00:54:10 | blair | i asked "sup"? |
| 00:54:17 | sussudio | yeah but only for naked 45 year old lonely men who send their naked pics to jacques |
| 00:54:17 | blair | then i got "inf" the other night |
| 00:54:18 | captain_proton | "I've had my hamster for a week now, and I'm amazed at how well it's lasted! The build quality is superb! NASA couldn't build a hamster like this without having it come apart at the O-rings. This is a hamster any engineer would be proud to have. I'm extremely satisified. Thank you for bringing Pooky to my life!" |
| 00:54:38 | jacques | :-D |
| 00:54:40 | blair | where have i heard that prot? |
| 00:54:41 | blair | ;) |
| 00:54:54 | captain_proton | blair: realhamster.com |
| 00:55:06 | jacques | bing bong!! |
| 00:55:07 | blair | prot: want a wicked video from autechre? |
| 00:55:18 | captain_proton | blair: sure, why not |
| 00:55:21 | jacques | that means it's sashimi time |
| 00:55:33 | jacques | BIAW |
| 00:55:58 | blair | because its freaking wicked proton, and i don't know if you can handle it. |
| 00:56:11 | blair | just acquiring your consent before i unleash it on ya. |
| 00:56:46 | captain_proton | that as fast as you can send? |
| 00:56:55 | blair | why yes captain proton, it is. |
| 00:57:22 | blair | i can do about 60K/sec upload |
| 00:57:30 | blair | but now i'm going out for coffee, later |
| 00:57:35 | blair | enjoy the show prot. |
| 00:57:44 | captain_proton | nods |
| 00:58:05 | blair | nods |
| 00:58:16 | blair | looks around the room for more nodders.. |
| 01:05:15 | tvon_ | anyone wanna try to connect to home.etria.org:5155? |
| 01:06:28 | tvon_ | grr |
| 01:06:32 | tvon | ah |
| 01:07:25 | captain_proton | oh blair, saw the queens hack |
| 01:08:27 | captain_proton | looks a good deal like endgame |
| 01:09:56 | tvon | Not sure I understand this, the only port I need to forward on my router is 5155? |
| 01:10:05 | tvon | the -p -pr is confusing me |
| 01:10:39 | tvon | (assuming I didnt change the default) |
| 01:11:12 | vogon | proton, you here? |
| 01:11:31 | captain_proton | vogon: so it appears |
| 01:21:49 | tvon | hah! it works! |
| 01:27:14 | tvon | -publiclist 166.70.15.250 correct? |
| 01:28:07 | captain_proton | shouldn't need -publiclist at all |
| 01:28:14 | tvon | oh, I see |
| 01:28:56 | tvon | Is there a set refresh rate on the list? |
| 01:29:22 | tvon | nevermind, I see it |
| 01:38:31 | Widget | captain_proton: Hm. vogon left right after he found out you were here. |
| 01:39:54 | captain_proton | Widget: he /msg'ed me |
| 01:40:07 | Widget | So you say. :-) |
| 01:40:16 | captain_proton | <vogon> how'd you get GAIM to compile? |
| 01:40:16 | captain_proton | <vogon> I keep getting undefined references deep within the bowels of GLib2. |
| 01:40:16 | captain_proton | <vogon> to glib_major/minor/micro_version. |
| 01:41:51 | tvon | heh |
| 01:44:04 | sussudio | tvon: can you kick that blue bastard? |
| 01:44:48 | tvon | sussudio: whats he doing? |
| 01:45:32 | captain_proton | blue bastard where? |
| 01:46:34 | sussudio | gah |
| 01:46:47 | sussudio | well he's typing "I'm horny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" about every 0.5 seconds |
| 01:46:55 | sussudio | on tvon's server |
| 01:47:14 | tvon | oh my |
| 01:47:23 | tvon | I'm about to restart the server anyways, gimme 2 mins |
| 01:47:37 | captain_proton | lemme see if i understand this |
| 01:47:57 | captain_proton | you go around trying to annoy people by yelling and such |
| 01:48:07 | captain_proton | then when someone else starts doing something similar, you call for a kick? |
| 01:49:19 | sussudio | captain_proton: you still got that bug up there? |
| 01:49:38 | tvon | decks is up now.....gonna get my fix :) |
| 01:50:32 | captain_proton | and i'm still waiting for a technical explaination on why laser shots make everyone laggier (as compared to any other shot) |
| 01:51:02 | sussudio | hm let's see. laser produced more data to send. combine that with some of gerbil levels. you do the math. |
| 01:51:25 | captain_proton | produced more data to send... |
| 01:51:54 | tvon | I dunno about lag but depending on your vid card I can see some slowdown happening when its shot at a high angle at a wall |
| 01:51:55 | captain_proton | MsgShotBegin |
| 01:51:55 | captain_proton | <-- |
| 01:51:55 | captain_proton | -->+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |
| 01:51:55 | captain_proton | | 00 | 2c | 73 | 62 | shooter id... |
| 01:51:55 | captain_proton | +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |
| 01:51:56 | captain_proton | | shot id | position |
| 01:51:58 | captain_proton | +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |
| 01:52:02 | captain_proton | (x) | position (y) | position |
| 01:52:04 | captain_proton | +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |
| 01:52:06 | captain_proton | (z) | velocity (x) | velocity |
| 01:52:08 | captain_proton | +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |
| 01:52:10 | captain_proton | (y) | velocity (z) | time |
| 01:52:12 | captain_proton | +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |
| 01:52:14 | captain_proton | |flag type| lifetime | |
| 01:52:16 | captain_proton | +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |
| 01:52:18 | captain_proton | there's the shot data thats sent (no matter what weapon) |
| 01:52:20 | captain_proton | all ricochet calculations are done client side |
| 01:52:34 | captain_proton | so ... if you're thinking 'lag' its just your processor being too slow |
| 01:52:54 | sussudio | no, i'm looking at my modem-led |
| 01:53:14 | captain_proton | well, the protocol is the same no matter the type of shot |
| 01:53:31 | captain_proton | just sends the xyz of the tank and the velocity vector, and a couple more fields |
| 01:55:09 | sussudio | every time someone fires a laser that ricochets over half the field, my modem goes into overdrive |
| 01:55:50 | sussudio | what you're saying here, is that someone could rewrite the code and just ignore lasers altogether? |
| 01:56:43 | captain_proton | several people right now -do- rewrite it to make it ignore their own death |
| 01:56:44 | captain_proton | :P |
| 01:58:29 | sussudio | hm and when i claim someone is doing that, i'm a whiner. |
| 01:58:55 | captain_proton | i don't care about people who complain about cheaters |
| 01:59:35 | captain_proton | though i do think people are foolish for continually playing on the servers where admins seldom go |
| 02:00:39 | Widget | paul: What are you doing this early!? |
| 02:00:45 | paul | bzfquerylong ducati 5155 |
| 02:00:46 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 02:00:49 | paul | bzfquerylong ducati 5156 |
| 02:00:50 | bzbot | bh (R): 0 (3-3). damn (R): 23 (53-30). Mr Jones (G): -44 (50-94). The Gerbil of the Rings (R): 6 (58-52). Ace (G): -4 (33-37). Flynn (G): -26 (47-73). Rabadaf (R): 22 (77-55). bzgirl (G): -21 (20-41). |
| 02:01:05 | paul | hi Widget |
| 02:01:20 | paul | strange sleeping habits at the moment. |
| 02:09:06 | sussudio | sssh.. i'm hunting widgets |
| 02:09:46 | sussudio | bzfquerylong home.etria.org 5155 |
| 02:09:48 | bzbot | tvon (r): 16 (19-3). sussudio (G): -3 (9-12). Widgeteye (r): -11 (2-13). Dr. Leviathan (P): 2 (10-8). |
| 02:11:20 | blair | how about guided missle prot? |
| 02:11:33 | paul | that would be stealth. |
| 02:11:36 | blair | anyway, you saw the queens? |
| 02:12:10 | blair | did gerbil refer you to realhamster.com? |
| 02:15:33 | tvon | bzfquerylong home.etria.org 5155 |
| 02:15:34 | bzbot | tvon (r): 16 (24-8). sussudio (G): -3 (15-18). Widgeteye (r): -16 (7-23). Dr. Leviathan (P): 8 (22-14). ID10T (B): -1 (1-2). n0hot (r): -2 (2-4). |
| 02:15:36 | tvon | spiffy |
| 02:15:50 | sussudio | why do i get a single "beep" sometimes in the game? |
| 02:15:54 | blair | you wish to die tvon? |
| 02:15:56 | captain_proton | blair: naw, i found that on my own a while ago |
| 02:16:23 | blair | prot: the queens was easy, endgame took a little more work, but the one in xss405 is old |
| 02:16:38 | captain_proton | blair: you did endgame?? |
| 02:17:06 | blair | from xss? yeah. |
| 02:17:27 | tvon | blair: eh? |
| 02:17:44 | captain_proton | hmm, my roommate commented it was making stupid moves |
| 02:17:48 | blair | tvon: did you want me to beat you on your own server? |
| 02:17:55 | tvon | blair: hah, go for it |
| 02:18:04 | tvon | blair: I was just commenting on the spiffy bzbot thingy |
| 02:18:09 | jacques | hmmm, FFA servers where admins regularly go... |
| 02:18:10 | blair | prot: really, these are composed games by russian masters... |
| 02:18:21 | captain_proton | blair: *shrug* |
| 02:18:47 | blair | proton: anyway, its just for kicks, its got more colors, better fades, more games, reflections, etc now |
| 02:19:04 | blair | have't worked on it in a while, but buddy hasn't put out 406... |
| 02:19:59 | sussudio | how do you get to be [nr] on your own server |
| 02:20:35 | captain_proton | blair: hmm, this video is in general ok, but the part where the box is shooting off the 'shockwaves' is beautiful |
| 02:20:59 | blair | ya like the sync? i wanna do an ss with shok like that |
| 02:21:07 | blair | prot: maybe hack the bzshok? |
| 02:21:19 | blair | define little pathways through the air and pulse along them? |
| 02:21:39 | blair | maybe hack that into an xmms plugin. |
| 02:22:25 | captain_proton | blair: http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FlagList <-- hmm, 'shock ring' and 'wavefront' are listed as possibles |
| 02:23:00 | jacques | I am unable to connect |
| 02:23:07 | sussudio | hmm i think it crashed or something |
| 02:23:10 | sussudio | everyone went [nr] |
| 02:23:16 | jacques | d'oh it says it has flags |
| 02:23:30 | blair | are you guys gonna flood the field with many different flags listed here? |
| 02:23:36 | blair | should make it interesting... |
| 02:24:01 | tvon | whoops |
| 02:24:07 | tvon | bzfquerylong home.etria.org 5155 |
| 02:24:08 | jacques | whatever happened it locked my bzflag |
| 02:24:13 | jacques | has to kill -9 |
| 02:24:18 | tvon | my bad |
| 02:24:24 | captain_proton | blair: at least the 'yes' ones, probably a few of the possibles |
| 02:24:26 | sussudio | *shrug*... i just exited |
| 02:24:32 | jacques | oops, gotta go for a bit |
| 02:24:47 | tvon | sys locks up a tuch when the cronjobs run |
| 02:24:51 | captain_proton | everything with no comment in the 'status' field hasn't yet been reviewed/classified by tim |
| 02:24:55 | tvon | its not my main box so I usually dont notice |
| 02:25:23 | sussudio | yeah. that's why i keep a seperate masq and otherstuff box. |
| 02:25:38 | blair | you guys working on supplementary flags? like power ups for various flags? |
| 02:25:49 | captain_proton | blair: right now, nobody is working on anything |
| 02:25:55 | blair | also, what about id when a guy is holding id. you should get whatever you want. |
| 02:26:01 | sussudio | blair: you want a wide angle, angular velocity, high speed - barfoflag? |
| 02:26:09 | blair | proton: there is a reason for that, its cuz you asses never include outside work. |
| 02:26:21 | captain_proton | blair: your farking patch is INTEGRATED |
| 02:26:25 | blair | sussudio: i tried that last saturday night ;) |
| 02:26:36 | sussudio | blair: try that on gerbil's hall of mirrors |
| 02:26:40 | sussudio | turns green |
| 02:26:53 | blair | prot: only took a few months, do the menus still suck? |
| 02:26:55 | sussudio | rips shirt |
| 02:26:59 | sussudio | growls |
| 02:27:07 | | blair: that doesn't look right |
| 02:27:07 | blair | change your name to hulk. |
| 02:27:16 | sussudio | dr. gif banner |
| 02:27:20 | captain_proton | blair: yeah, thats because you left it sitting there a mess |
| 02:27:40 | captain_proton | if its not clean, its gonna take a while before someone chooses to sweep it up |
| 02:28:00 | blair | prot: maybe you should loosen the restricting submission policy. |
| 02:28:09 | blair | prot: cuz i can code real kleen |
| 02:28:20 | captain_proton | blair: perhaps you can, but you don't ;) |
| 02:28:22 | blair | but nuum needs positive feedback first. |
| 02:28:27 | captain_proton | and anybody can submit patches |
| 02:28:40 | blair | anyway, who is actually working on this game now? |
| 02:29:07 | sussudio | my hamster |
| 02:29:16 | captain_proton | lesee, i'm taking a break, crs is busy with the new job, tim is busy with his job, apathy is just slacking... |
| 02:29:18 | captain_proton | noone? |
| 02:29:49 | blair | well. this project should be done within the week then. |
| 02:29:59 | blair | what are tim and crs doing? |
| 02:30:06 | blair | working for linux companies, wasn't tim? |
| 02:30:14 | captain_proton | tim is CTO at lineo |
| 02:30:17 | blair | apathy i played today. he's slack. |
| 02:30:24 | blair | isn't that company folding? |
| 02:30:28 | captain_proton | crs got a new job in the animation tools dept at pixar |
| 02:30:35 | captain_proton | nope, doing decent i thought |
| 02:30:39 | sussudio | tries to remember where i left my pentium cpu's |
| 02:30:41 | blair | i see. ;) |
| 02:30:54 | blair | proton: crs building anim tools, wicked |
| 02:31:03 | blair | so can you inherit the project? |
| 02:31:06 | captain_proton | yeah, i'm so jealous |
| 02:31:09 | blair | like take it on completely? |
| 02:31:16 | captain_proton | take on bz completely? |
| 02:31:18 | captain_proton | oof |
| 02:31:22 | blair | doesn't chestal do flag too? |
| 02:31:35 | blair | prot: well, no one else is doing anything... |
| 02:31:37 | captain_proton | yeah, dunno what he's up to |
| 02:31:58 | captain_proton | he said he'd start hacking at 1.8 once e6 was out, but now he's saying he'll do it when e8 is out... |
| 02:32:40 | captain_proton | blair: i don't have all the time in the world either |
| 02:32:48 | sussudio | bah. stupid cyrix 686 |
| 02:33:26 | blair | prot: you back to school soon? |
| 02:33:30 | blair | cyrix sucks. |
| 02:33:39 | sussudio | yeah the damn thing never worked..... |
| 02:33:43 | captain_proton | blair: already back |
| 02:34:10 | sussudio | i'm trying to figure out why my bogomips drop from 199 to 38 after booting linux :-P |
| 02:34:34 | blair | prot: really, bhaskara part of your school? |
| 02:34:44 | captain_proton | blair: bhaskara is my box |
| 02:34:49 | blair | prot: in dorm? |
| 02:34:52 | captain_proton | *nod* |
| 02:34:56 | blair | prot: you go away for school? |
| 02:35:05 | captain_proton | not really |
| 02:35:08 | blair | prot: you start early and finish late at your school... is it a college? |
| 02:35:23 | blair | why do you shack up in a dorm then? |
| 02:35:26 | captain_proton | blair: hmm, start early, finish early - out by the end of may |
| 02:35:51 | captain_proton | because the dorm is a lot more convenient - 5 minutes walk away from everything, plus i don't have to deal with trying to park |
| 02:36:13 | tvon | what school? |
| 02:36:27 | captain_proton | university of colorado |
| 02:36:35 | blair | prot: we start sept after the long weekend, get out in mid april.. |
| 02:37:04 | blair | you gonna write the putnam this winter? |
| 02:38:03 | captain_proton | putnam? |
| 02:38:37 | blair | never mind. |
| 02:38:42 | blair | you aren't a math student eh... |
| 02:40:02 | blair | just writing up my docs for my research work... |
| 02:40:06 | blair | isn't it fun. |
| 02:41:35 | captain_proton | hmm, i hope i didn't just break my mouse |
| 02:43:14 | blair | you breaka your mouse, i breaka your face. |
| 02:44:06 | blair | prot: you lika da queens? ever have to do that assignment in a class? |
| 02:45:19 | captain_proton | my mouse is far too expensive to be broken :( |
| 02:45:58 | blair | got one of those twelve-button three-mile-radius cordless infrared mice? |
| 02:46:17 | blair | proton, your such a dork. what you taking this semester? |
| 02:46:19 | captain_proton | only got 4 buttons |
| 02:46:22 | blair | you're... |
| 02:46:29 | captain_proton | various music stuff, couple physics courses, digital circuits |
| 02:46:30 | blair | mine has 5. take that |
| 02:46:42 | blair | wheel is two! |
| 02:46:54 | captain_proton | ok then, 7 buttons |
| 02:47:01 | blair | digital circuits? physics? becoming an ee? |
| 02:47:09 | captain_proton | nope, just the classes as they fell |
| 02:48:34 | blair | whats in music? composition yet? |
| 02:49:07 | captain_proton | was doing a little bit of comp last semester, not doing theory |
| 02:49:16 | captain_proton | some music history, lessons, orchestra |
| 02:49:33 | blair | wtf is the point of playing music when you can write it? |
| 02:50:32 | captain_proton | i enjoy playing ;) |
| 02:50:43 | Widget | What does captain_proton play? |
| 02:50:55 | tvon | triangle |
| 02:51:02 | tvon | :) |
| 02:51:06 | tvon | night all |
| 02:52:15 | blair | bwahahaha |
| 02:52:17 | blair | later tvon |
| 02:52:26 | blair | proton plays flag badly... |
| 02:52:27 | blair | ;) |
| 02:52:57 | captain_proton | proton is playing with his mouse |
| 02:53:51 | blair | prot plays the cello, probably more instruments too... |
| 02:54:06 | captain_proton | pretty much just cello |
| 02:55:41 | blair | yeahyeah emacs owns |
| 02:56:55 | captain_proton | you and your silly emacs |
| 02:58:26 | blair | um, maybe you should invest a little more time in a decent editor... |
| 02:58:43 | captain_proton | vim owns your silly ass |
| 02:59:46 | sussudio | rhaa |
| 02:59:48 | sussudio | that sucked |
| 03:00:04 | sussudio | bzf did the not timing out thing again |
| 03:01:04 | blair | prot: any chance someone can fix the non responding flag when attempting a server connect? |
| 03:01:16 | captain_proton | non responding flag? |
| 03:01:36 | sussudio | is that what i just said? |
| 03:03:08 | captain_proton | wtf is a not repsponding flag? |
| 03:03:14 | Widget | <DStewart> bob, that ain't going to work in this context |
| 03:04:34 | blair | bzflag. |
| 03:04:51 | blair | like the game, it doesn't respond. |
| 03:05:01 | blair | you have to kill it, which is incredibly lame. |
| 03:05:08 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 03:05:09 | blair | worse than amateur. |
| 03:05:47 | captain_proton | it could be fixed if there were a way to do non-blocking connects |
| 03:06:56 | blair | threads? |
| 03:07:42 | captain_proton | you wanna write a thread lib for -every- platform and move all the network code into it? |
| 03:07:46 | captain_proton | ... i thought not |
| 03:11:06 | sussudio | maybe Patlabor221 wants to |
| 03:11:24 | blair | proton: windows can suck my dick, so my job is finished... |
| 03:11:35 | blair | wtf uses windows anymore anyway? |
| 03:11:38 | captain_proton | blair: what about those *nix platforms that don't use pthreads? |
| 03:11:50 | Patlabor221 | what I want to do now? |
| 03:11:51 | blair | proton: ass backwards, they can go to hell too. |
| 03:11:51 | sussudio | i do cause bzflag sucks ass under linux |
| 03:12:02 | blair | sussudio: um, mine seems to rip. |
| 03:12:10 | sussudio | i get about 10% of the framerate |
| 03:12:23 | blair | sussudio: you probably haven't set up your system correctly. |
| 03:12:25 | captain_proton | error seems to lie between the keyboard and the chair |
| 03:12:45 | sussudio | yeah sure. and the sound isnt crap either, right? |
| 03:12:51 | captain_proton | right |
| 03:12:54 | Patlabor221 | still wonders what he wants to do |
| 03:12:55 | blair | proton: what kind of unix system doesn't have pthreads? |
| 03:13:00 | captain_proton | blair: irix? |
| 03:13:12 | blair | proton: sgi can suck it, its not their game anyway ;) |
| 03:13:23 | captain_proton | hahahahaha |
| 03:13:26 | blair | proton: they do have multithreading tho? |
| 03:13:43 | blair | proton: most of this is pretty standard. let the guys with the irix machines figure it out |
| 03:13:43 | captain_proton | probably |
| 03:14:09 | blair | who actually runs this game under irix anyway? irix users are prolly confident enough to adapt the pthreaded code... |
| 03:14:50 | blair | anyway, i dunno how you want this game to go anywhere without multiple threads... |
| 03:15:01 | Patlabor221 | prepares to feel the noise. |
| 03:15:39 | paul | night |
| 03:15:45 | blair | prot: whatever happened to that wicked flying tank model you showed me? |
| 03:16:02 | Patlabor221 | the hover tank? |
| 03:16:08 | blair | prot: and why couldn't i ever get a rotating model in the menu system? |
| 03:16:11 | blair | yeah, the hover tank. |
| 03:16:15 | Patlabor221 | that be mine |
| 03:16:22 | blair | Patlabor221: can i see it again? |
| 03:16:31 | Patlabor221 | it's still at the same URL |
| 03:16:34 | Patlabor221 | must rember |
| 03:17:08 | blair | prot: i ran up against the "no threading" rule from xss. it makes for unreadable messy code. |
| 03:18:08 | blair | prot: ever done any survey for flag? seen who actually uses it? probably > 98% on window or linux. |
| 03:18:51 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/Hover1.jpg |
| 03:19:57 | blair | you run artemisgames? |
| 03:20:01 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:20:24 | blair | you guys working on flag? |
| 03:20:43 | Patlabor221 | somewhat |
| 03:21:04 | Patlabor221 | moslty my own stuff |
| 03:21:10 | Patlabor221 | but I'll make models for 1.8 |
| 03:21:16 | Patlabor221 | and a version of an editor |
| 03:21:27 | Patlabor221 | made the windows 1.7 map editor |
| 03:21:43 | Patlabor221 | I realy need to finsish the 1.8 model converter |
| 03:23:28 | blair | shot of win1.7 editor? |
| 03:24:00 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 03:25:32 | blair | looks like fun |
| 03:25:41 | Patlabor221 | it works well enought |
| 03:25:52 | Patlabor221 | I need to add draging support |
| 03:26:10 | Patlabor221 | well add draging support to cartogrpaher that is |
| 03:26:39 | Patlabor221 | then it can be used with the bzent set |
| 03:28:51 | blair | dammit, wtf are there so many java charting packages now, and i had to go and develop my own. |
| 03:29:28 | Patlabor221 | charting? like graphs? |
| 03:29:54 | blair | yeah |
| 03:31:23 | Patlabor221 | must be because of all the web based biz app stuff that people are trying to make |
| 03:31:39 | blair | yeah, well the mofos coulda made something when i was starting out last year |
| 03:32:04 | Patlabor221 | they were, probalby at the same time :) |
| 03:32:21 | Patlabor221 | cus there wern't any they made them |
| 03:33:07 | blair | stupid, i wish sun made them, and properly |
| 03:34:35 | Patlabor221 | now what did you guys say I might want to do when I logged in? |
| 03:37:02 | blair | um, i think the other dood wanted you to write a crossplatform threading lib. |
| 03:37:26 | Patlabor221 | I know nothing of threads on non windows systems |
| 03:37:33 | blair | i say let the windows guys adapt to the linux guys. |
| 03:37:50 | blair | threading is pretty similar over all systems. |
| 03:38:04 | Patlabor221 | well I don't know much about it on windows ether |
| 03:38:08 | Patlabor221 | just the basics of it |
| 03:38:14 | blair | i mean, its more of a concept, tho i am talking out my ass cuz i've never done much with win or non-pthreads... |
| 03:40:04 | blair | yo prot, want some prefuse 73? |
| 03:40:25 | Patlabor221 | I've not done much with it, but I know there are APIs that provide the unix thread services |
| 03:43:10 | blair | why not use those? a little more installation req. for the windoze user. |
| 03:43:29 | Patlabor221 | no they are libs you link in |
| 03:43:30 | Patlabor221 | no install |
| 03:43:42 | Patlabor221 | silly linux people |
| 03:43:49 | Patlabor221 | we use DLLS for that kind of thing :) |
| 03:45:26 | blair | ah yes, but are they available as dll's on windows systems? |
| 03:45:33 | blair | wouldn't you have to install them separately? |
| 03:45:49 | Patlabor221 | include them in the app |
| 03:45:55 | Patlabor221 | then no wories |
| 03:46:12 | Patlabor221 | remember we don't need to distribute source to make our things work |
| 03:46:28 | Patlabor221 | throw them in the app dir and it all good |
| 03:46:50 | blair | ugg. silly windows users. |
| 03:47:00 | Patlabor221 | or link them in static |
| 03:47:05 | Patlabor221 | and it's good too |
| 03:47:08 | Patlabor221 | then no DLL |
| 03:48:27 | Patlabor221 | actualy I think the ones I've seen are all comercial tho |
| 03:48:32 | Patlabor221 | don't know about freeones |
| 03:48:35 | Patlabor221 | I'd have to look |
| 03:49:48 | sussudio | groar |
| 03:49:55 | | it has been said that hungry is http://www.thehungersite.com/ or http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/HungerSite or http://www.hungryminds.com/ |
| 03:49:55 | Patlabor221 | hungry? |
| 03:50:03 | | Sorry, Patlabor221, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 03:50:03 | Patlabor221 | ibot: shut up |
| 03:50:15 | sussudio | bzf is doing that shit again where i cant move and it just keeps saying "keyboard movement, mouse movement" |
| 03:51:20 | blair | bzflag licks |
| 03:51:38 | Patlabor221 | wow when did this become whiners row? |
| 03:52:11 | sussudio | yeah, sure..... call everyone who complains about bugs "whiners" |
| 03:52:44 | Patlabor221 | no those are ok, just the licks part and never ever ever ever saying anything good or productive |
| 03:53:24 | Patlabor221 | can you record the steps needed to reporduce your problem? |
| 03:53:30 | Patlabor221 | if so then it can be fixed |
| 03:53:48 | Patlabor221 | but then I don't know if they will be doing another 1.7 build |
| 04:00:59 | jp_zZZZ | nights. |
| 04:26:49 | sussudio | does anyone know of a cheat client that lets someone other players as if they shot themselves? |
| 04:27:20 | jacques | i think there's a word missing in that sentence |
| 04:27:41 | sussudio | "kill" |
| 04:28:21 | jacques | hmm |
| 04:28:35 | sussudio | i had superbullet, wasnt even shooting...... |
| 04:28:39 | jacques | the game is so wide open, anything is possible |
| 04:28:42 | sussudio | and it said that i had shot myself |
| 04:29:26 | jacques | where were you playing? |
| 04:29:37 | sussudio | umm lemmesee |
| 04:29:54 | sussudio | bzfquerylong www.digitaleclipse.com 5155 |
| 04:30:19 | sussudio | there |
| 04:30:19 | jacques | ah digitaleclipse |
| 04:30:30 | sussudio | non-ricochet also :-P |
| 04:30:32 | jacques | that's where I have seen the most cheaters |
| 04:30:35 | sussudio | not that it matters with superbullet |
| 04:30:47 | jacques | how do you shoot yourself sith SB??? |
| 04:30:53 | sussudio | i think it's this "leaf" character |
| 04:31:00 | sussudio | i've seen him cheat on astercity and turkey too |
| 04:31:23 | jacques | i dont care what ppl say, there aren't any good FFA servers with admins |
| 04:31:38 | sussudio | ffa? |
| 04:31:44 | jacques | ppl only play on astercity, turkey, and digitaleclipse |
| 04:32:00 | jacques | free-for-all i.e. not CTF |
| 04:32:23 | sussudio | yeah |
| 04:32:42 | sussudio | i thought maybe you were doing a hannibal lecter impression |
| 04:32:54 | jacques | im sure ducati is well-admined, but if you dont wanna play ctf... |
| 04:33:39 | sussudio | not really no. |
| 04:33:56 | jacques | last night I saw a guy come into a server and get L 5 out of 6 flags |
| 04:34:11 | jacques | the one time he did not get it I think was an error on his part |
| 04:34:17 | sussudio | bleh |
| 04:34:30 | sussudio | hey were's akira_ to talk crap? |
| 04:34:39 | jacques | what are the odds of that? and no he wasn't going back to the same flag every time - not tht it would last that long anyway |
| 04:34:45 | sussudio | like "sure he got 5 lasers in a row" |
| 04:34:46 | jacques | im ignoring him |
| 04:34:54 | jacques | i dont want to talk to him |
| 04:35:13 | jacques | I alled the guy on the L thing (I had ST and was in a high place watching) |
| 04:35:28 | jacques | he *immediately* got ST and started hunting me |
| 04:35:46 | jacques | I;m also convinced some clients can see ST and CL players |
| 04:36:34 | sussudio | hmm yeah if stuff happens client side. |
| 04:36:44 | jacques | the client knows everything |
| 04:37:00 | jacques | it knows what flags are where, it knows where the ST and CL players are |
| 04:37:15 | jacques | it determines if it gets hit :-) |
| 04:37:21 | jacques | etc etc etc |
| 04:37:43 | sussudio | i didnt know the BBC restaurant turned this bad.... |
| 04:37:44 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/trash.jpg |
| 04:37:53 | sussudio | looks like the journalists have gone scavenging |
| 04:37:59 | jacques | but if a client wanted to get arbitrary flags, the server does not check that anyway |
| 04:38:14 | jacques | heh |
| 04:39:07 | sussudio | wouldnt you get bored with a cheat client |
| 04:39:24 | jacques | i would but obviously lots of ppl dont |
| 04:39:38 | sussudio | it's like sitting up on that platform on astercity with a GM |
| 04:39:46 | Patlabor221 | never understimate the ability of greefers to amuse themeslves |
| 04:40:11 | jacques | yeah I dont like GM camping but I've kinda accepted it as part of the game |
| 04:40:34 | Patlabor221 | hell just put some ammo or a time limit on those thigns |
| 04:40:36 | jacques | I tend not to do it. i stay close to the ground and shoot ppl with GM |
| 04:40:54 | Patlabor221 | if they don't change that then 1.8 will still have GM campers |
| 04:40:56 | sussudio | i'd suggest a random backfire element..... |
| 04:41:01 | sussudio | rockets jam... lasers blow up |
| 04:41:05 | Patlabor221 | I sugest a 10 shot limit |
| 04:41:16 | Patlabor221 | on GM and lazer |
| 04:41:27 | Patlabor221 | then it repops |
| 04:41:31 | jacques | yeah I still say GM is always unbalanced and L is frequently unbalanced depending on the map |
| 04:41:59 | Patlabor221 | if you can use it indefinatly form a place that noone can get you at, then yes |
| 04:42:30 | sussudio | there's a place on one of the gerbil maps that allows someone with a laser to cover about 75% of the map |
| 04:42:31 | jacques | i think GM should have shorter range and L should have much shourter range |
| 04:42:56 | sussudio | maybe gerbiltrap.... not sure |
| 04:43:03 | sussudio | you fire into a portal and it goes everywhere |
| 04:43:04 | Patlabor221 | with a one hit death system range is the only thing you can mess with |
| 04:43:54 | jacques | L should at least only kill one tank per shot |
| 04:44:02 | sussudio | yeah |
| 04:45:39 | jacques | tho on a 8-10 shot server... with no delay between L shots |
| 04:45:51 | jacques | that would still be unbalanced IMHO |
| 04:46:10 | Patlabor221 | 10 shots and then it autodrops |
| 04:46:21 | Patlabor221 | like a bad flag |
| 04:46:21 | jacques | would be fine by me |
| 04:46:40 | Patlabor221 | that way they could have there 15 seconds of fame |
| 04:46:50 | Patlabor221 | then be at the mercy of everyone else |
| 04:46:57 | sussudio | hmm there should be a mirror flag |
| 04:47:03 | sussudio | maybe with cloak |
| 04:47:08 | sussudio | shoot lasers right back at them |
| 04:47:33 | sussudio | or maybe a missile jam device |
| 04:47:51 | sussudio | throws off aim in a certain range |
| 04:48:15 | Patlabor221 | or an Anti GM missle, homes in on who has GM |
| 04:48:18 | Patlabor221 | one shot |
| 04:48:42 | sussudio | yeah but only works when a GM is fired... like heatseekers |
| 04:48:43 | Patlabor221 | "punkthumper 2000" |
| 04:48:54 | sussudio | camp's out for summer |
| 04:49:08 | jacques | lol |
| 04:49:19 | jacques | I only got one shot left - who wants it? |
| 04:49:23 | jacques | :-D |
| 04:49:31 | Patlabor221 | well making it ammo limited would remove the camper issue |
| 04:49:34 | Patlabor221 | they would have to move |
| 04:49:42 | Patlabor221 | to get another flag |
| 04:49:55 | sussudio | yeah or replace it with left turn only or something |
| 04:49:55 | jacques | i agree |
| 04:50:21 | Patlabor221 | and it wouldn't be worth it to jup up to a high spot when you know you have to leavin 10 shots |
| 04:50:22 | sussudio | hey you know what would be cool..... a random flag changer flag |
| 04:50:39 | Patlabor221 | you can't punish the legit uses of GM, so making it have a bad flag is not right |
| 04:50:47 | sussudio | change GM to OO.... watch em drop |
| 04:50:51 | jacques | :-D |
| 04:51:03 | jacques | i think it should just dro pand disappear like a bad flag |
| 04:51:14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:51:26 | Patlabor221 | it would be a new class of good flags |
| 04:51:30 | Patlabor221 | "limited" flags |
| 04:51:46 | jacques | flags with "charges" |
| 04:51:50 | Patlabor221 | ether they have shot or time limets |
| 04:52:01 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:52:05 | sussudio | how about an oprah flags.. super obese, would take up half the map |
| 04:52:06 | Patlabor221 | and they poof when it's up |
| 04:52:11 | Patlabor221 | umm no |
| 04:52:32 | Patlabor221 | or in the case of BZA it's not one hit one die |
| 04:52:33 | sussudio | oh come on, there would be a kate moss flag too |
| 04:52:37 | Patlabor221 | and there is ammo |
| 04:52:38 | jacques | could have "recharging stations" but the flag wont work near them |
| 04:52:53 | Patlabor221 | naw just make them get a new one |
| 04:53:03 | Patlabor221 | otherwise it gets to complicated |
| 04:53:14 | Patlabor221 | then they camp the place thats just outside of the range |
| 04:53:16 | jacques | i know, that's probably best |
| 04:53:41 | jacques | gettig a new flag I mean |
| 04:54:37 | Patlabor221 | or in my case new packs of baslistic and missle ammo :) |
| 05:01:30 | captain_proton | returns |
| 05:01:42 | Patlabor221 | and there were trumpets |
| 05:02:15 | jacques | wow I just heard them |
| 05:05:08 | captain_proton | dun dada DAAAAAAH |
| 05:13:32 | captain_proton | eats a bagel |
| 05:21:02 | captain_proton | yaay, mozie 1.1 |
| 05:21:15 | akira_ | baeh |
| 05:33:22 | captain_proton | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 05:33:43 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 05:34:16 | captain_proton | how goes? |
| 05:35:07 | MrApathyCream | ok, cvs seems to busted still... i see no checkins here |
| 05:35:15 | captain_proton | busted? |
| 05:35:43 | MrApathyCream | yeah, i'm not getting notified of all the checkins |
| 05:35:47 | captain_proton | oh, you mean the repository |
| 05:35:50 | captain_proton | yeah, me either |
| 05:36:25 | MrApathyCream | wish they'd fix it |
| 05:44:15 | captain_proton | here's a test for ya: |
| 05:44:20 | captain_proton | write some code and check it in |
| 05:53:51 | jacques | heading homr |
| 05:53:53 | jacques | hor |
| 05:53:57 | jacques | home |
| 05:59:25 | sussudio | that was odd. |
| 05:59:35 | sussudio | i died and i got the game back for a sec and died again |
| 06:00:00 | MrApathyCream | can't don't have anything approved |
| 06:00:44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: VEGAS MODE!! |
| 06:00:51 | captain_proton | i'm sure riker will agree to it |
| 06:01:33 | sussudio | tanks with neon signs? |
| 06:02:48 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:02:49 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 06:02:57 | captain_proton | A giant neon sign points down at your tank with a bright yellow arrow, attracting attention from everybody, reading "[callsign] is right here." |
| 06:03:16 | MrApathyCream | i think also at the same time, tank messages insults to other players |
| 06:03:26 | sussudio | or a wav that says "thank you very much" a la elvis everytime you get killed |
| 06:03:31 | MrApathyCream | Hey captain_proton, you ever gonna shoot somebody? |
| 06:03:36 | MrApathyCream | --thinks like that |
| 06:03:57 | MrApathyCream | er, thinkgs |
| 06:03:59 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i don't really like antagonize - it doesn't have quite the same effect |
| 06:03:59 | MrApathyCream | er, things |
| 06:05:43 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you could implement FS |
| 06:06:21 | sussudio | fine salmon? |
| 06:06:32 | captain_proton | flyswatter |
| 06:18:31 | MrApathyCream | i'm gonna implement sleep, actually, and wait for cvs to get fixed |
| 06:40:44 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 07:01:49 | bomber | moin |
| 07:14:53 | [BZ]Ruudi | http://juxtinteractive.com/toddhead/# -- a nice website |
| 07:15:20 | [BZ]Ruudi | cool flashwork |
| 07:26:07 | sussudio | anyone else here having trouble with internet traffic? |
| 07:30:31 | akira_ | the cheaters treat you ... |
| 07:39:15 | sussudio | good riddance |
| 08:19:48 | fontenot | yawns. |
| 08:20:38 | [BZ]Ruudi | hmm what's the best way to make link play music in stream...i mean what formats and so flash stuff? |
| 08:22:50 | sussudio | teammate killer bitches |
| 08:23:34 | sussudio | bzfquerylong games.astercity.net 5155 |
| 08:23:51 | fontenot | anyone wanna play on decks? |
| 08:24:11 | fontenot | im there but all alone :-( |
| 08:24:20 | | fontenot: sorry... |
| 08:24:20 | fontenot | ibot: decks |
| 08:29:16 | sussudio | damn. 15 people on there and nobody can play.... even the cheaters suck |
| 08:43:55 | [BZ]Ruudi | someone got any experiences with fireworks? |
| 08:44:36 | [BZ]Ruudi | not that newyears eve stuff but web design |
| 08:44:47 | sussudio | gah |
| 08:45:04 | sussudio | youre not talking flash anims i hope |
| 08:47:53 | [BZ]Ruudi | yes i do a bit :) what's wrong with flah |
| 08:48:15 | sussudio | what isnt |
| 08:48:32 | [BZ]Ruudi | i think it's poddible to use flah anim make a nice lookin web |
| 08:49:05 | sussudio | oh yeah. the web users with a pc < 1ghz will appreciate that |
| 08:49:58 | [BZ]Ruudi | well i don't do news portal...it's artist web and it needs something more than text/html |
| 08:50:21 | [BZ]Ruudi | and 486 times are long over now |
| 08:51:10 | sussudio | rule #1 of webdesign... dont piss off your users |
| 08:51:43 | [BZ]Ruudi | that's not in my plans...i plan a real minimalistic web but it needs some action that cant be done with gif |
| 08:52:05 | sussudio | i guess you could always use... <shiver> javascript. |
| 08:52:11 | [BZ]Ruudi | and i bet it loads faster than page with lot of layerd images |
| 08:52:49 | [BZ]Ruudi | i just need to know how to disable autozoom with browser resize |
| 08:53:09 | sussudio | google? |
| 08:53:50 | [BZ]Ruudi | havn't find jet |
| 08:54:01 | sussudio | groups.google.com ? |
| 08:55:27 | [BZ]Ruudi | ok just thought maybe someone knows...finding anytthing out from google takes allways a day |
| 09:04:56 | fontenot | anyone wanna play on decks? |
| 09:05:13 | fontenot | 2 ppl there now but we may go somewhere else since decks is kinda intense with only 2 players |
| 09:05:40 | fontenot | sussudio: decks? |
| 09:05:47 | fontenot | [BZ]Ruudi: decks? |
| 09:06:38 | sussudio | um i'm busy bitchslapping my p100 cpu |
| 09:08:58 | sussudio | hmz it's glued to the cooling block. |
| 09:11:17 | [BZ]Ruudi | no no bz now |
| 09:17:42 | sussudio | maybe yoyox wants to play |
| 09:17:54 | yoyox | work. |
| 09:17:57 | yoyox | Sorry. |
| 09:18:13 | bomber | is away: I'm busy |
| 09:43:37 | sussudio | there. now stay put on that socket 7. |
| 09:45:50 | sussudio | ha! |
| 10:23:42 | fontenot | :-) |
| 11:10:18 | bomber | is back (gone 01:52:04) |
| 12:00:36 | jzaun | G'Morning all |
| 13:43:02 | captain_proton | coffee time |
| 13:55:42 | bzgirl | hello |
| 13:56:33 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 13:57:16 | captain_proton | so....tired |
| 14:07:01 | bisio | hi |
| 14:07:26 | jzaun | hi |
| 14:07:28 | bzgirl | hello bisio |
| 14:10:15 | n0hot | hi all |
| 14:10:37 | jzaun | Hello |
| 14:12:36 | n0hot | jzaun: what kind of hardware do you run your rotating site on?? |
| 14:13:00 | jzaun | a computer :-0 |
| 14:13:05 | n0hot | :-) |
| 14:13:10 | jzaun | P266 with 512 Ram on a T3 link |
| 14:13:25 | n0hot | so the link is the key. |
| 14:13:38 | jzaun | Sorry, PII 266 |
| 14:14:11 | n0hot | i tried a dual PII 850 on a 512 Mbps and no go. |
| 14:14:26 | jzaun | Link helps alot... the server does very little from what I can tell |
| 14:14:49 | n0hot | yeah the cpu's are just idling but lag is bad |
| 14:14:50 | jzaun | I've run a server over a 56K dialup, and it works ok with 2-3 players |
| 14:14:59 | Chestal | ducati is a P75 with 40MB of RAM |
| 14:15:16 | n0hot | i usually play from work on a 56k dialup |
| 14:15:27 | [BZ]Ruudi | Chestal that's true?! |
| 14:15:41 | Chestal | [BZ]Ruudi: yep, and it's mostly idle |
| 14:15:45 | n0hot | Chestal: that's interesting. i was thinking of setting up a P90 on a fast link |
| 14:15:58 | Chestal | n0hot: that should work fine, the bottleneck is the uplink |
| 14:16:20 | n0hot | i think i can get 1.5 mbps uplink would that work ok? |
| 14:17:04 | Chestal | that should be sufficient |
| 14:17:21 | Chestal | latency is most important of course |
| 14:20:40 | n0hot | Chestal: how do you get around bad latency?? |
| 14:21:00 | n0hot | Chestal: my isp sucks and what can i do?? |
| 14:21:44 | bzgirl | new isp :) |
| 14:21:47 | n0hot | Chestal: i can't hardly play on ducati from Minnesota because i'm over 300 all the time. |
| 14:22:06 | n0hot | bzgirl: hey bzgirl !!!! i wish i had a choice. |
| 14:22:30 | jzaun | n0hot: could try for DSL or cable |
| 14:22:37 | bzgirl | you were all jerky and hard to kill on ducati yesterday |
| 14:22:56 | n0hot | :) |
| 14:22:56 | [BZ]Ruudi | can choose between 3 or 4 isp's in god damn estonia |
| 14:23:30 | n0hot | has 1 isp monopoly |
| 14:23:32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:23:32 | [BZ]Ruudi | ibot ducati |
| 14:24:09 | jzaun | heh no bzbot |
| 14:24:20 | [BZ]Ruudi | we had it too local phone company but then covernment broke it up |
| 14:24:54 | n0hot | jzaun: i'm on DSL at home and still over 300 on ducati |
| 14:24:58 | jzaun | Dinner For Siz is up, anyone want to play? |
| 14:25:13 | bzgirl | jzaun: sure |
| 14:25:14 | jzaun | n0hot: try cable :-0 |
| 14:25:22 | bomber | bye to all |
| 14:25:30 | [BZ]Ruudi | i need to wait my donload ends...about 6 minutes.. |
| 14:25:31 | n0hot | jzaun: not an otion yet. maybe some day |
| 14:25:38 | [BZ]Ruudi | some ducati would be fun |
| 14:44:26 | Chestal | hmm, 405 players registered in the league, but virtually no activity. I wonder how many of these palyers are active after all |
| 14:45:17 | bzgirl | there was what? one ,atch in two weeks? |
| 14:46:03 | bzgirl | maybe everyone is on holiday |
| 14:50:33 | Chestal | with that many players, we could have something like 80 teams playing |
| 14:50:45 | Chestal | what do you think about the 1 on 1 idea? |
| 14:50:56 | jpablo | 1 vs 1 matches ? |
| 14:51:08 | Chestal | yes |
| 14:51:08 | bzgirl | i love that idea |
| 14:51:27 | jpablo | humm. |
| 14:51:43 | jpablo | i don't love it, but i don't have it either :P |
| 14:51:49 | bzgirl | if the score limit is not /too/ high |
| 14:52:07 | Chestal | this is being discussed in the general forum |
| 14:52:08 | bzgirl | so that medium players hava chance against really good players |
| 14:52:15 | bzgirl | yeah i saw that |
| 14:52:35 | jpablo | i have been bzdancing with drs for like 2 hours, and the score limit was 5. |
| 14:52:49 | bzgirl | hehe bzdance |
| 14:52:56 | Chestal | hmm, a difference of 5? |
| 14:53:08 | jpablo | yeah. |
| 14:53:15 | Chestal | ah, I don't think we can use that |
| 14:53:40 | Chestal | could take forever for players of equal skill, and match would be very quick for uneven players |
| 14:53:53 | Chestal | I think we're heading for a total kills limit |
| 14:54:01 | doughecka | yes |
| 14:54:03 | doughecka | ;) |
| 14:54:04 | jpablo | humm, maybe timelimit. |
| 14:54:07 | Chestal | like, player with 20 kills wins |
| 14:54:20 | doughecka | hmm, on decks too? |
| 14:54:37 | bzgirl | one on one with 20 kills? or a group? |
| 14:54:39 | doughecka | grins at the Op |
| 14:54:47 | Chestal | if you have your own thoguhts / ideas, post to the thread |
| 14:55:15 | jp_school | ok, bye. |
| 14:55:19 | doughecka | is away: doing something, likje school |
| 18:31:42 | Chestal | hi |
| 18:32:20 | strayer | hi |
| 18:32:52 | jzaun | hi |
| 18:33:18 | strayer | more than 400 registered league-players... |
| 18:36:53 | tankmann | and about 50% do not have a team |
| 18:38:37 | strayer | 42,72%... ;) |
| 18:38:57 | tankmann | but thats still too much! :) |
| 18:39:33 | strayer | hm......ok, right... |
| 18:40:18 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 18:40:46 | strayer | hi [BZ]Ruudi |
| 18:44:44 | [BZ]Ruudi | wonders why hi's amp plays left channel louder chan right |
| 18:44:56 | [BZ]Ruudi | than.. |
| 18:54:57 | metal_magic | who does maintain http://bzflag.org/? |
| 18:55:43 | jzaun | metal_magic: I think its BZFlag and captain_proton... but that just a guess |
| 18:56:25 | metal_magic | i thought tim riker could be at least one of them :-) |
| 18:56:47 | jzaun | BZFlag: is Tim Riker |
| 18:57:13 | metal_magic | i don't understand why the new pages are not official |
| 18:57:17 | metal_magic | jzaun: i know |
| 18:57:32 | captain_proton | *shrug* - riker's being lazy |
| 18:58:10 | metal_magic | the only reason? |
| 18:58:29 | metal_magic | it is a job for 10 minutes to swap the pages, isn't it? |
| 18:59:12 | metal_magic | is there something more on the old ones? |
| 18:59:44 | metal_magic | i like the new pages more than the old ones |
| 19:02:35 | strayer | the old ones have a kinda charm.... :) |
| 19:05:18 | captain_proton | well, chestal made some screenshots that i should add to the page |
| 19:05:24 | captain_proton | and i think he also changed a little bit of the text |
| 19:05:28 | captain_proton | but yeah, pretty much nothing |
| 19:05:45 | strayer | aha.. |
| 19:13:01 | | [TeA|TrEE] was last seen on #bzflag 8 days, 10 hours, 33 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: im gone 2 weeks this evening [Mon Aug 19 09:39:13 2002] |
| 19:13:01 | metal_magic | ibot: seen [TeA|TrEE] |
| 19:14:43 | metal_magic | going to bed, cu ... |
| 19:38:47 | jzaun | captain_proton: do you know perl? |
| 19:39:11 | captain_proton | jzaun: i avoid perl like the plague |
| 19:39:24 | jzaun | captain_proton: oh, ok :-( |
| 19:50:45 | Chestal | ä |
| 19:50:49 | Chestal | jklcvzlxf |
| 20:04:23 | captain_proton | ahhhhhhhh |
| 20:04:34 | captain_proton | the gnome1.4 gtk-- configure options are scary |
| 20:04:45 | captain_proton | --enable-voodoo Use Voodoo Fried Chicken spell to compile Gtk-- (use this only when everything else fails) |
| 20:04:45 | captain_proton | --enable-extra-crispy Roast the chicken extra-crispy (see voodoo option) |
| 20:04:45 | captain_proton | --enable-vegetarian The chicken will be a Tofu chicken (see voodoo option) |
| 20:05:45 | strayer | hell.....really strange... |
| 20:07:15 | captain_proton | haha, looking at configure.in, it appears all it does is add messages to the configure output telling you its enabled the voodoo fried chicken spell |
| 20:07:55 | strayer | ah.. |
| 20:08:35 | strayer | night all...... |
| 20:50:16 | Chestal | good niht |
| 20:52:52 | bzgirl | is there a way to make the windows version of 1.7e6 to output to a file, similar to enabling -echo >> tank.log in linux? |
| 20:54:40 | sussudio | windows executable has the -echo parameter too. |
| 20:54:57 | [BZ]Ruudi | is blastin' his ears with white noise |
| 20:55:35 | sussudio | hmm this is somewhat worrisome. |
| 20:55:44 | sussudio | BZFLAGID This release expired on %s. ?Please upgrade to the latest re |
| 20:55:44 | sussudio | lease. ?Exiting. |
| 20:55:56 | bzgirl | sussudio: it does? ok |
| 20:58:39 | sussudio | doesnt seem to create a log though. |
| 20:59:44 | bzgirl | it dosent? |
| 21:00:15 | sussudio | *shrug*. |
| 21:00:26 | sussudio | hmm |
| 21:00:33 | sussudio | shortcut didnt save for some reason. |
| 21:15:21 | bzgirl | sussudio: hehe |
| 21:15:34 | bzgirl | sussudio: it wont work either |
| 21:32:36 | mandy | hello my people of bzflag |
| 21:34:52 | mandy | people .......... |
| 21:34:58 | mandy | hmm.. |
| 21:45:53 | [BZ]Ruudi | hello hello |
| 21:46:00 | mandy | finally |
| 21:47:22 | [BZ]Ruudi | sry i was workin with a self-portrait |
| 21:47:57 | mandy | lol |
| 21:48:47 | [BZ]Ruudi | funny ubt true :P |
| 21:48:54 | mandy | ohh |
| 21:51:50 | sussudio | -|- (Missy_Elliot_featuring_Eve)_4_My_People_(Basement_Jaxx_Vocal_Remix).mp3 (6,932,480 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 7mins 14secs Genre:Rap Year:2002 |
| 21:51:54 | sussudio | ppl! |
| 21:53:51 | mandy | suss! |
| 21:55:19 | [BZ]Ruudi | http://www.valgamaa.ee/Ringtee/self-portrait.mp3 portrait like that |
| 21:56:45 | mandy | PAGE CANNOT BE FOUND |
| 21:56:49 | mandy | lol |
| 21:57:09 | captain_proton | argg |
| 21:57:21 | [BZ]Ruudi | http://www.valgamaa.ee/Ringtee/self-portrait.mp3 |
| 21:57:25 | mandy | sorry |
| 21:57:33 | [BZ]Ruudi | you just take link only :P |
| 21:58:42 | mandy | :P |
| 21:59:13 | [BZ]Ruudi | anyway i bet you car more about local guitarpop irw |
| 21:59:18 | [BZ]Ruudi | care |
| 22:02:28 | sussudio | intel is laaaaaame |
| 22:02:43 | sussudio | i have 2 pentium 100 cpu's here with the same type number.. sy007/sss |
| 22:02:58 | sussudio | one was made in malaysia, the other in the philippines |
| 22:03:10 | sussudio | the philippines one is crippled so you cant overclock it |
| 22:03:17 | sussudio | the malay one does 133mhz without a prob. |
| 22:04:28 | captain_proton | hands sussudio an index card with "poor baby" written on it |
| 22:04:44 | sussudio | gives captain_proton a nasty papercut with the card |
| 22:04:57 | mandy | ooo! |
| 22:07:01 | mandy | owy |
| 22:07:51 | [BZ]Ruudi | wazzup? |
| 22:08:03 | mandy | bleh is up |
| 22:09:27 | [BZ]Ruudi | sleep is up here |
| 22:09:49 | [BZ]Ruudi | http://www2.paulbunyan.net/weather/weather.ram -- best radio around! |
| 22:10:04 | jzaun | captain_proton: your favorite world it up |
| 22:10:12 | captain_proton | d46? |
| 22:10:25 | jzaun | yah... noone is on it yet though |
| 22:10:39 | captain_proton | woo |
| 22:12:10 | jacques | dang, and I'm at work |
| 22:12:17 | jacques | i like that map too |
| 22:12:29 | jzaun | so... play at work, just shut your door |
| 22:12:44 | mandy | bad jzaun |
| 22:12:49 | jacques | unfortunately I share an office with 2 other ppl - one of which is my boss |
| 22:12:59 | jacques | and they are both here right now |
| 22:13:07 | jzaun | well... load bzflag on all the computers and play together |
| 22:13:16 | mandy | lol |
| 22:13:26 | jacques | they have crappy vid cards :-\ |
| 22:13:36 | jacques | also, is there a version for XP ? |
| 22:14:07 | jzaun | the windows version... |
| 22:14:23 | jacques | I run linux on my desktop, they rnu XP. I brought a vid card from home so I could have halfway decent 3d |
| 22:14:26 | jzaun | but you should just install linux and have fewer crashes as well as play BZFlag :-) |
| 22:14:31 | jacques | lol |
| 22:14:36 | jacques | ok, we'll do that now |
| 22:15:08 | jacques | :-D |
| 22:15:20 | jzaun | wait a sec... |
| 22:15:26 | jzaun | you chatting in here and at work? |
| 22:15:33 | mandy | how u do dat |
| 22:15:36 | jzaun | play BZFlag without sound, they will never know |
| 22:16:14 | [BZ]Ruudi | good night |
| 22:16:21 | jacques | i alwas have to play without sound at work :-\ |
| 22:16:39 | jzaun | so you *do* play at work?? |
| 22:16:55 | jacques | late at night yes |
| 22:17:01 | jacques | when I am only one here |
| 22:17:04 | jzaun | sure sure |
| 22:30:45 | mandy | BZFLAGG |
| 22:30:49 | mandy | =\ |
| 22:32:01 | mandy | should i got play |
| 22:34:58 | mandy | go |
| 23:07:36 | captain_proton | woo, fun game |
| 23:08:04 | sussudio | well i guess it was worth it to see the fat gerbil. |
| 23:10:39 | captain_proton | jpablo: how are you with gnome2 autoconfs? |
| 23:11:13 | jpablo | uh? |
| 23:11:20 | captain_proton | you were the gnome junkie right? |
| 23:11:28 | jpablo | yeah. |
| 23:11:41 | captain_proton | i've gotten bzedit mostly configuring but look at this: |
| 23:11:46 | captain_proton | ./configure: line 4346: syntax error near unexpected token `s/^\\([_$as_cr_alnum]*_cv_[_$as_cr_alnum]*\\)' |
| 23:11:46 | captain_proton | ./configure: line 4346: `s/^\\([_$as_cr_alnum]*_cv_[_$as_cr_alnum]*\\)=\\(.*\\)/\\1='\\2'/p"' |
| 23:12:02 | jpablo | humm, ugly. |
| 23:12:27 | jpablo | what autoconf version are you using ? |
| 23:13:17 | captain_proton | 2.53 |
| 23:14:02 | captain_proton | everything else works |
| 23:16:00 | jpablo | humm, can i see your configure.in ? |
| 23:17:07 | captain_proton | lemme also send the gtkglarea-2 macro i wrote |
| 23:21:05 | jpablo | humm, looks good, but parsing m4 manually is really hard. |
| 23:25:17 | captain_proton | i can't figure out why its generating this bad string |
| 23:31:01 | doughecka | whoa |
| 23:31:11 | doughecka | see the current jzaun map? |
| 23:31:19 | doughecka | its got a person on it |
| 23:31:26 | doughecka | how does he do that stuff? |
| 23:31:37 | doughecka | hey patlabor221! |
| 23:31:41 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 23:33:53 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:34:00 | doughecka | yah know that comp I put together? |
| 23:34:03 | doughecka | well |
| 23:34:06 | doughecka | he got a new case |
| 23:34:10 | patlabor221 | what one the P4? |
| 23:34:14 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:34:18 | doughecka | well |
| 23:34:25 | doughecka | he put hte mobo in the new case |
| 23:34:34 | doughecka | without standoffs |
| 23:34:35 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:34:48 | doughecka | so it was shorted out |
| 23:34:49 | doughecka | would not turn on at all |
| 23:34:50 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:34:51 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:34:53 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:34:57 | doughecka | dinner |
| 23:34:58 | patlabor221 | dumb bastard |
| 23:35:05 | doughecka | is away: dinner! |
| 23:39:31 | patlabor221 | widget you there? |
| 23:44:15 | blair | yo prot, know an admin for ducati? |
| 23:44:20 | blair | chestal? |
| 23:51:13 | Widget | patlabor221: Yes. |
| 23:52:25 | patlabor221 | did you see my prety prety new desktop picture? |
| 23:52:46 | captain_proton | gets frustrated with the autoconf |
| 23:54:57 | doughecka | woo |
| 23:55:22 | doughecka | patlabor221: I saw it |
| 23:55:27 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/newdesktop.jpgnot you |
| 23:55:31 | patlabor221 | gak |
| 23:55:39 | patlabor221 | I wanted to know if widget saw it |
| 23:55:54 | doughecka | hmmmph |
| 23:56:40 | | i don't know, doughecka |
| 23:56:40 | doughecka | ibot Nicole3? |
| 23:56:44 | doughecka | aha! |
| 23:56:55 | Nicole3 | er? |
| 23:57:01 | | nicole3: i don't know |
| 23:57:01 | Nicole3 | ibot: Nicole3 is? |
| 23:57:06 | Nicole3 | darn |
| 23:57:10 | Nicole3 | is he back to normal? |
| 23:57:19 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:57:20 | patlabor221 | how do you know it's not a she? |
| 23:57:28 | doughecka | patlabor221: wow, how did you do that desktop? |
| 23:57:33 | | OK, Nicole3. |
| 23:57:33 | Nicole3 | ibot: nicole3 is the smartest and gurl in the world |
| 23:57:39 | | OK, Nicole3. |
| 23:57:39 | Nicole3 | ibot: nicole3 is |
| 23:57:45 | Nicole3 | darnit |
| 23:57:49 | patlabor221 | do it? |
| 23:57:56 | patlabor221 | that is my desktop right now |
| 23:57:57 | doughecka | yea, where did you get the skin? |
| 23:58:08 | jzaun | captain_proton: you hold the high score... |
| 23:58:14 | jzaun | captain_proton: 81 |
| 23:58:17 | captain_proton | jzaun: bwahaha |
| 23:58:41 | patlabor221 | doug: it's an XP skil |
| 23:58:43 | patlabor221 | skin |
| 23:58:49 | doughecka | ooh |
| 23:58:49 | patlabor221 | well visual style |
| 23:58:52 | patlabor221 | more then a skin |
| 23:58:53 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:59:04 | | i am probably "the" bot around or confused. |
| 23:59:04 | Nicole3 | ibot: ibot |
| 23:59:18 | | *You* are, Mr Sexy-pants! |
| 23:59:18 | patlabor221 | ibot: who is your daddy? |
| 23:59:32 | | i think nicole3 is the smartest and gurl in the world |
| 23:59:32 | Nicole3 | ibot: nicole3 |
| 23:59:37 | Nicole3 | boo ya! |
| 23:59:47 | captain_proton | yay for Mr Sexy-pants |
