| 00:19:05 | BZFlag | applies for the xbox "incubator" program to release an xbox bzflag. ;-) |
| 00:20:11 | lurgyman | mwa ha |
| 00:20:21 | lurgyman | if only proton and lurgy had an xbox |
| 00:20:26 | lurgyman | sighs |
| 00:22:17 | Patlabor221 | has one |
| 00:24:14 | Patlabor221 | that means someone would have to do the DX port |
| 00:35:07 | BZFlag | I don't have one either. in the incubtor program they would provide one for 6 months from what I understand. |
| 00:35:13 | BZFlag | er incubator. |
| 00:35:51 | Patlabor221 | thats nice |
| 00:36:28 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if it has a sockets implimentation. |
| 00:45:58 | lurgyman | i'd think it does, since they've gotten a mandrake install going on one |
| 01:12:21 | Patlabor221 | cap you back yet? |
| 01:16:23 | doughecka | pings |
| 01:16:34 | doughecka | greetings and salutions |
| 01:17:17 | Patlabor221 | ping floods |
| 01:17:17 | doughecka | ooh, what a strange error |
| 01:17:30 | doughecka | this is what the error said... |
| 01:17:31 | doughecka | ready? |
| 01:17:43 | doughecka | here it is: 0 |
| 01:17:49 | Patlabor221 | Error 197: you suck. |
| 01:17:51 | doughecka | and a OK button |
| 01:18:00 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:18:41 | doughecka | how big is the bz model? |
| 01:18:52 | Patlabor221 | big? |
| 01:19:09 | Patlabor221 | 6 miles |
| 01:19:18 | doughecka | as in size... |
| 01:19:24 | doughecka | file size |
| 01:19:35 | Patlabor221 | 4.3 furlongs |
| 01:19:47 | doughecka | in bytes |
| 01:19:51 | Patlabor221 | in what format? |
| 01:20:13 | doughecka | megabytes |
| 01:20:20 | Patlabor221 | no what model format |
| 01:20:31 | doughecka | what formats are there? |
| 01:20:43 | Patlabor221 | many |
| 01:20:56 | doughecka | throws up his hands |
| 01:20:58 | Patlabor221 | it's 43,008 bytes in obj format |
| 01:21:00 | doughecka | ok then, RAW |
| 01:21:07 | Patlabor221 | ohh raw I don't know |
| 01:21:11 | Patlabor221 | I don't do RAW anymore |
| 01:21:14 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:21:16 | Patlabor221 | that is sooo 11:30 |
| 01:21:22 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:21:52 | doughecka | so, do you have the model for download yet? |
| 01:21:53 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:22:24 | Patlabor221 | yet? |
| 01:22:55 | doughecka | refraises that |
| 01:22:57 | doughecka | so, do you have the model for download? |
| 01:23:21 | Patlabor221 | oooooohh it's 86,804 bytes in MD3 format |
| 01:23:51 | doughecka | 86 kb? |
| 01:23:52 | Patlabor221 | I guess you could download it if you haxor into my macine |
| 01:23:54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:24:04 | doughecka | oh.. |
| 01:24:07 | doughecka | sighs |
| 01:24:31 | Patlabor221 | what format do you want it in? |
| 01:24:38 | doughecka | umm |
| 01:24:42 | doughecka | something I can read it in |
| 01:24:51 | doughecka | something standard |
| 01:24:59 | doughecka | something with a free viewer |
| 01:25:07 | doughecka | autocad |
| 01:25:07 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:25:12 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what you can do |
| 01:25:16 | Patlabor221 | you tell me what you want it in |
| 01:25:27 | doughecka | looks franticly around |
| 01:26:09 | bh | what are you talking about? |
| 01:26:16 | doughecka | obj |
| 01:26:43 | Patlabor221 | a file export of the BZ tank |
| 01:27:21 | Patlabor221 | that good enought? |
| 01:27:25 | bh | it's a pretty cool design, not easily seen while playing |
| 01:27:31 | doughecka | wonders where that file went |
| 01:27:45 | Patlabor221 | the texture coords on it are odd |
| 01:28:23 | doughecka | here tis |
| 01:29:04 | Patlabor221 | looks funny when you replace the texture with pr0n tho |
| 01:29:10 | bh | hehe |
| 01:29:23 | doughecka | "funny" |
| 01:29:48 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:30:05 | Patlabor221 | he slanted the hell outa the TCs |
| 01:34:29 | doughecka | HM |
| 01:34:37 | doughecka | everysingle zip file I download is bad |
| 01:34:44 | Patlabor221 | you suck |
| 01:35:01 | doughecka | even my older zip files.. |
| 01:35:08 | Patlabor221 | bad winzip |
| 01:35:08 | doughecka | somethings broken.... |
| 01:35:20 | doughecka | I am using the built in unziper |
| 01:35:28 | Patlabor221 | well then no wonder |
| 01:35:32 | Patlabor221 | WINZIP |
| 01:35:37 | doughecka | sighs |
| 01:41:19 | doughecka | Patlabor221: what do you use for IRC? |
| 01:41:48 | Patlabor221 | pure electricity |
| 01:41:52 | Patlabor221 | in my pants |
| 01:42:14 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:42:21 | Patlabor221 | or MIRC |
| 01:42:25 | doughecka | I thought you where mr nopants |
| 01:42:30 | Patlabor221 | depends on what I find first |
| 01:42:51 | Patlabor221 | depends on who is over |
| 01:42:59 | Patlabor221 | and if she's nice or not. |
| 01:43:18 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:45:00 | CaptainNoPants | now for the pants pants revolution |
| 01:45:06 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:45:42 | CaptainNoPants | needs ladies for the pants pants revolution |
| 01:46:21 | CaptainNoPants | CP you back yet? |
| 01:47:21 | CaptainNoPants | C!P to CP: come in... over. |
| 01:50:38 | cp | roger that, um, I say blow it up |
| 01:52:24 | CaptainNoPants | ass |
| 01:53:47 | bzdougg | wow |
| 01:53:56 | bzdougg | that bz model is sure complitacted |
| 01:54:05 | CaptainNoPants | actualy not |
| 01:54:09 | CaptainNoPants | it's rather simple |
| 01:56:01 | bzdougg | whats this C 3d model format? |
| 01:58:09 | CaptainNoPants | C? |
| 01:58:18 | bzdougg | yea |
| 01:58:56 | CaptainNoPants | some modelers output C based OpenGL code |
| 01:59:11 | CaptainNoPants | it's old tho |
| 01:59:48 | CaptainNoPants | where do you see it |
| 02:00:27 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 02:00:37 | bzdougg | http://home.europa.com/~keithr/crossroads/ |
| 02:01:03 | CaptainNoPants | ahh yes crossroads |
| 02:01:13 | bzdougg | ? |
| 02:01:25 | CaptainNoPants | I hauve used it |
| 02:01:32 | CaptainNoPants | have the book that the guy wrote somewhere |
| 02:01:38 | bzdougg | oh? and about that C format? |
| 02:01:53 | CaptainNoPants | it's open GL code |
| 02:01:55 | CaptainNoPants | like BZ has |
| 02:01:59 | bzdougg | ah |
| 02:02:00 | bzdougg | cool |
| 02:02:02 | CaptainNoPants | you put it in your app and compile it |
| 02:02:09 | CaptainNoPants | and bam you got geo |
| 02:02:11 | bzdougg | oh, its not standalone? |
| 02:02:18 | CaptainNoPants | ohh no no |
| 02:02:28 | CaptainNoPants | unless you want to impelemnnt a C parser |
| 02:02:35 | bzdougg | ah |
| 02:02:36 | bzdougg | ok |
| 02:02:43 | CaptainNoPants | its a crap way |
| 02:03:45 | CaptainNoPants | why do you care? |
| 02:04:25 | bzdougg | was wonderin |
| 02:04:55 | CaptainNoPants | why not just get milkshape? |
| 02:06:31 | bzdougg | free? |
| 02:06:32 | CaptainNoPants | hmm do I realy want a DVD-RW/CDR-RW? |
| 02:06:39 | CaptainNoPants | for 30 days it is |
| 02:06:46 | bzdougg | CaptainNoPants: yes you do want one |
| 02:06:48 | CaptainNoPants | after that it's like $20 |
| 02:06:54 | CaptainNoPants | I do?" |
| 02:07:01 | CaptainNoPants | for what? |
| 02:07:09 | bzdougg | you know you do |
| 02:07:18 | CaptainNoPants | well it's right here |
| 02:07:21 | CaptainNoPants | I coudl take it home |
| 02:07:26 | bzdougg | oooh |
| 02:07:33 | bzdougg | yells, send it to me! |
| 02:08:03 | CaptainNoPants | why on the cool green hills of earth would I want to do that? |
| 02:08:14 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 02:08:27 | bzdougg | you know, being nice and all |
| 02:08:33 | CaptainNoPants | but I'm not nice |
| 02:08:54 | bzdougg | there enlies the problem |
| 02:09:04 | CaptainNoPants | I see no problem |
| 02:09:08 | CaptainNoPants | hell I say it's a solution |
| 02:09:18 | bzdougg | send it to me? |
| 02:09:22 | bzdougg | chears |
| 02:09:32 | bzdougg | I "might" get it when? |
| 02:09:34 | bzdougg | 2004? |
| 02:09:36 | CaptainNoPants | no not being nice |
| 02:09:40 | CaptainNoPants | that's a solution |
| 02:09:43 | bzdougg | oh |
| 02:09:55 | CaptainNoPants | you sir are greedy |
| 02:10:04 | CaptainNoPants | and proably short |
| 02:10:08 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 02:10:14 | bzdougg | is accepting donations |
| 02:12:19 | CaptainNoPants | of what type? |
| 02:12:38 | CaptainNoPants | I donate this http://ironmouse.za.org/dragon/nanako/004/011900.html |
| 02:12:55 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 02:13:03 | bzdougg | is accepting paypal |
| 02:13:57 | CaptainNoPants | but you can't get money out of it |
| 02:14:05 | bzdougg | I can too |
| 02:14:08 | CaptainNoPants | that is my donation limit for today |
| 02:14:16 | bzdougg | bummer |
| 02:14:30 | CaptainNoPants | hey it looks prety good |
| 02:15:00 | CaptainNoPants | quality stuff there |
| 02:15:13 | bzdougg | used? |
| 02:16:15 | CaptainNoPants | looks new to me |
| 02:16:56 | CaptainNoPants | still shinny and sofft |
| 02:17:08 | bzdougg | ah |
| 02:17:30 | CaptainNoPants | and probably a bit jiggly |
| 02:20:10 | CaptainNoPants | where can I send it? |
| 02:20:30 | bzdougg | 1 microsoft way |
| 02:20:43 | CaptainNoPants | nooo they got enough of those there |
| 02:20:50 | CaptainNoPants | so you don't want it? |
| 02:20:50 | bzdougg | oh... |
| 02:20:53 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 02:20:59 | bzdougg | could I trade it in for cash? |
| 02:21:03 | bzdougg | snickers |
| 02:21:07 | CaptainNoPants | maybe |
| 02:21:09 | CaptainNoPants | I dono |
| 02:21:20 | CaptainNoPants | have to find a buyer tho |
| 02:21:37 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 02:22:19 | CaptainNoPants | $5 says that doug just saved that link to his "stuff" folder. |
| 02:23:10 | CaptainNoPants | thinks it's time to "Get to burning" |
| 02:23:30 | bzdougg | send me the 5 bucks |
| 02:23:33 | bzdougg | you lost |
| 02:23:38 | CaptainNoPants | I didn't bet you |
| 02:23:44 | CaptainNoPants | I bet her |
| 02:23:50 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 02:25:37 | CaptainNoPants | mmmmm ships theme..... |
| 02:26:13 | bzdougg | um |
| 02:26:25 | bzdougg | whats it? |
| 02:26:27 | CaptainNoPants | it's got no words |
| 02:26:29 | CaptainNoPants | you'll like |
| 02:26:34 | bzdougg | sure |
| 02:26:48 | CaptainNoPants | it's Ship's Theme |
| 02:27:33 | CaptainNoPants | hey I could have sent you the second most anoying song on the planet |
| 02:28:50 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 02:29:01 | bzdougg | whats that? |
| 02:29:05 | CaptainNoPants | Nemoto Miho - Negai (Shogo Theme).mp3 |
| 02:29:13 | bzdougg | sounds nasty |
| 02:29:13 | CaptainNoPants | shudders |
| 02:29:17 | CaptainNoPants | is |
| 02:29:39 | CaptainNoPants | makes blood from ears |
| 02:29:43 | bzdougg | lol |
| 02:31:13 | CaptainNoPants | but I like that one I sent you |
| 02:31:20 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 02:31:30 | bzdougg | I dont... |
| 02:31:44 | CaptainNoPants | to each his own |
| 02:31:59 | bzdougg | yup |
| 02:32:15 | bzdougg | sips his mountain lighting |
| 02:32:24 | CaptainNoPants | ohh how bout this one |
| 02:32:45 | bzdougg | same kind of music? |
| 02:32:50 | CaptainNoPants | nope |
| 02:33:48 | CaptainNoPants | proton where are you |
| 02:34:46 | CaptainNoPants | how am I suposed to get the metacaster to him |
| 02:35:07 | bzdougg | DCC |
| 02:35:09 | bzdougg | DCC |
| 02:35:18 | CaptainNoPants | no I got crap upstream |
| 02:35:25 | CaptainNoPants | and it's like flipin 55 megs |
| 02:35:28 | bzdougg | how big is it? |
| 02:35:28 | CaptainNoPants | ziped! |
| 02:35:32 | bzdougg | wow |
| 02:35:46 | CaptainNoPants | it's got the shiznit in it :) |
| 02:35:59 | bzdougg | heh |
| 02:36:25 | CaptainNoPants | you like that one better? |
| 02:37:23 | bzdougg | yea |
| 02:38:09 | CaptainNoPants | how bout Get Ur Freak On (RMX) feat. N. Furtado www.kent99.mp3 |
| 02:38:33 | CaptainNoPants | there you will like that one too |
| 02:38:39 | bzdougg | ? |
| 02:38:45 | bzdougg | you can get .mp3 domains? |
| 02:38:49 | CaptainNoPants | no no no |
| 02:38:54 | CaptainNoPants | thts just the name of the fiel |
| 02:38:57 | bh | bye everyone |
| 02:38:57 | bzdougg | oh |
| 02:38:59 | CaptainNoPants | I won't send you that one |
| 02:39:01 | CaptainNoPants | bye |
| 02:39:03 | bzdougg | yea |
| 02:39:08 | bzdougg | would be cool... |
| 02:39:16 | CaptainNoPants | you do know what "freak" is right? |
| 02:39:21 | bzdougg | www.use.ogg |
| 02:39:22 | CaptainNoPants | as in geting your freak on |
| 02:39:28 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 02:39:30 | bzdougg | no.. |
| 02:39:52 | CaptainNoPants | well proabably better left to your parents then, when they have the birds and bees talk |
| 02:40:20 | bzdougg | eh? |
| 02:40:29 | bzdougg | I dont know what the saying is |
| 02:40:39 | CaptainNoPants | I see then that they haven't had that talk then |
| 02:40:49 | CaptainNoPants | getting jiggy with it |
| 02:40:52 | bzdougg | freak? |
| 02:41:04 | CaptainNoPants | in that context |
| 02:41:10 | CaptainNoPants | making with the mojo |
| 02:41:18 | bzdougg | glares at CaptainNoPants |
| 02:41:31 | CaptainNoPants | quit lookin at my no pants |
| 02:41:41 | bzdougg | heh |
| 02:42:12 | CaptainNoPants | what else is here that you may like |
| 02:44:10 | CaptainNoPants | WTF |
| 02:44:14 | bzdougg | ? |
| 02:44:17 | bzdougg | sound? |
| 02:44:19 | bzdougg | whats that? |
| 02:44:27 | CaptainNoPants | I draged a wave into your name |
| 02:44:28 | CaptainNoPants | odd |
| 02:44:38 | bzdougg | disables cptp cloak |
| 02:44:58 | CaptainNoPants | there how's that |
| 02:45:04 | CaptainNoPants | that you may like |
| 02:45:10 | bzdougg | halo is pretty cool |
| 02:45:18 | bzdougg | whats CTPT sound? |
| 02:45:23 | bzdougg | is it supposed to play it? |
| 02:45:26 | CaptainNoPants | I don't know |
| 02:45:27 | bzdougg | try it now |
| 02:46:30 | bzdougg | [22:46] 4[CaptainNoPants SOUND] "moo.wav" |
| 02:46:39 | CaptainNoPants | fear my moo pants |
| 02:46:55 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 02:47:00 | bzdougg | I dint hear nothin |
| 02:47:07 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 02:47:10 | bzdougg | must not work |
| 02:47:31 | CaptainNoPants | then I refer back to my previous statement of you sucking. |
| 02:48:28 | bzdougg | I use trillian |
| 02:48:31 | bzdougg | you use mirc... |
| 02:48:33 | bzdougg | ick |
| 02:48:55 | CaptainNoPants | hey I can drag for DCC that is kick ass |
| 02:49:02 | bzdougg | yea |
| 02:49:05 | bzdougg | so can i |
| 02:52:52 | bzdougg | so this new age stuff sounds like chinesh elevator music |
| 02:53:07 | CaptainNoPants | dude that's from the transformers movie |
| 02:53:14 | CaptainNoPants | do not dizz the 'formers |
| 02:53:14 | bzdougg | ... |
| 02:53:55 | bzdougg | they could go to the moon and freeze for all I care... |
| 02:55:15 | CaptainNoPants | they are non-organic |
| 02:55:28 | CaptainNoPants | so they can go to the mmoon |
| 02:55:47 | bzdougg | they could goto the moon at warp 9 and crash for all I care |
| 02:57:33 | CaptainNoPants | silly boy you can't hit warp in a grav well |
| 02:57:50 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 02:57:53 | bzdougg | all the better |
| 02:58:23 | CaptainNoPants | well I'm 2/4 that's not too bad |
| 02:58:45 | bzdougg | hrm |
| 02:59:01 | CaptainNoPants | well you'll proalby hate everything else here |
| 02:59:13 | bzdougg | not everything |
| 02:59:14 | CaptainNoPants | or maybe not this |
| 02:59:27 | bzdougg | I like... |
| 02:59:33 | bzdougg | bzdougg_ |
| 02:59:43 | bzdougg | and ibot |
| 02:59:44 | CaptainNoPants | you like yourslef? |
| 02:59:47 | bzdougg | hugs ibot |
| 02:59:56 | CaptainNoPants | I meant on my PC music wise |
| 02:59:58 | bzdougg | hrm |
| 03:00:01 | bzdougg | ooh |
| 03:00:02 | bzdougg | yea |
| 03:00:07 | bzdougg | I mostly do |
| 03:00:25 | bzdougg | I wouldnt mind having that 200+ gig music collection though... |
| 03:00:34 | CaptainNoPants | you would hate most of it |
| 03:00:43 | bzdougg | shrugs |
| 03:00:51 | CaptainNoPants | it's all that "Modern" music you don't like |
| 03:01:07 | bzdougg | I like modarn music |
| 03:01:07 | bzdougg | some |
| 03:01:33 | CaptainNoPants | seems you only like it if it's sponsored by MS or a remake of clasical. |
| 03:01:49 | bzdougg | not true! |
| 03:01:53 | bzdougg | I like other things |
| 03:01:57 | CaptainNoPants | like? |
| 03:02:04 | bzdougg | sound of silence type music |
| 03:02:22 | CaptainNoPants | how can silence be music? |
| 03:02:34 | CaptainNoPants | like enigma? |
| 03:02:39 | bzdougg | no |
| 03:02:48 | bzdougg | "Sound of Silence" |
| 03:03:03 | CaptainNoPants | provide example |
| 03:04:35 | CaptainNoPants | how is it classified? |
| 03:04:40 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 03:04:43 | bzdougg | dont know |
| 03:04:49 | CaptainNoPants | I show refernce sot paul simon |
| 03:04:53 | bzdougg | it has no ID tags |
| 03:04:55 | CaptainNoPants | and gergorian chant |
| 03:05:10 | bzdougg | simon might be it |
| 03:05:15 | bzdougg | the chant aint |
| 03:05:18 | CaptainNoPants | not modern |
| 03:06:21 | CaptainNoPants | that? |
| 03:06:21 | CaptainNoPants | http://www.gracenote.com/xm/pcd/genclassical/99f88db31df0db36796983c9300190a0.html |
| 03:06:47 | CaptainNoPants | or this |
| 03:06:47 | CaptainNoPants | http://www.gracenote.com/xm/pcd/folk-rock/87fb304e71a99b8deab7133c37c2794f.html |
| 03:06:53 | bzdougg | that aint it |
| 03:07:12 | CaptainNoPants | simon and garfunkle? |
| 03:07:14 | bzdougg | yup |
| 03:07:15 | bzdougg | Simon & Garfunkel |
| 03:07:19 | CaptainNoPants | old |
| 03:07:20 | bzdougg | ooh |
| 03:07:24 | CaptainNoPants | old old old |
| 03:07:27 | CaptainNoPants | like 60's old |
| 03:07:28 | bzdougg | do you have any of those MP3s? |
| 03:07:32 | CaptainNoPants | nope |
| 03:07:34 | bzdougg | I would like them |
| 03:07:36 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 03:07:41 | bzdougg | ok then... |
| 03:07:46 | CaptainNoPants | I have weezer doing ms. robinson |
| 03:07:54 | bzdougg | weezer? |
| 03:07:58 | CaptainNoPants | yup |
| 03:08:03 | CaptainNoPants | or it may be blur |
| 03:08:09 | bzdougg | never heard of him |
| 03:08:12 | CaptainNoPants | don't remember |
| 03:08:18 | CaptainNoPants | you need to get out more |
| 03:08:30 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 03:08:37 | CaptainNoPants | do you listen to anything made AFTER you were boorn? |
| 03:09:04 | bzdougg | that tank this is funny |
| 03:09:12 | bzdougg | tank song.. |
| 03:09:14 | CaptainNoPants | yes |
| 03:09:19 | CaptainNoPants | it's good jazz |
| 03:09:20 | bzdougg | CaptainNoPants yea! |
| 03:09:47 | CaptainNoPants | so do you listen to anyting made after you were born? |
| 03:10:04 | bzdougg | yea |
| 03:10:07 | CaptainNoPants | and the ones I sent you don't count |
| 03:10:14 | bzdougg | I do.. |
| 03:10:19 | CaptainNoPants | what are they? |
| 03:10:26 | bzdougg | ummmm |
| 03:10:30 | bzdougg | thinks |
| 03:10:50 | bzdougg | :) |
| 03:11:12 | bzdougg | bugs life theme... |
| 03:11:15 | bzdougg | kidding |
| 03:11:36 | CaptainNoPants | jeez man |
| 03:11:42 | CaptainNoPants | you realy do need to get out |
| 03:12:47 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 03:12:56 | bzdougg | dads looking for a job in germany |
| 03:13:06 | bzdougg | holst |
| 03:13:07 | CaptainNoPants | that would count as out |
| 03:13:13 | bzdougg | yup |
| 03:13:18 | CaptainNoPants | but don't just stay in the house there |
| 03:13:30 | CaptainNoPants | I mean what you'll be ready to leve home in 3 years? |
| 03:13:41 | bzdougg | O brother where art thou... |
| 03:13:42 | CaptainNoPants | got to get ready for that stuff |
| 03:13:45 | bzdougg | I listen to that... |
| 03:13:51 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 03:14:12 | CaptainNoPants | if you can't bust a phat groove then you gonna get beat up in college |
| 03:14:35 | bzdougg | :) |
| 03:14:37 | CaptainNoPants | or you'll get stuck with the geeks |
| 03:14:38 | bzdougg | sure I can |
| 03:15:29 | CaptainNoPants | do you ever leave your house? |
| 03:15:33 | bzdougg | yea |
| 03:15:38 | bzdougg | I left it a few hours ago |
| 03:15:47 | CaptainNoPants | to where? |
| 03:15:53 | bzdougg | I have been to denver too |
| 03:15:57 | bzdougg | and the rockies |
| 03:16:05 | bzdougg | CaptainNoPants around town |
| 03:16:13 | CaptainNoPants | amamzing |
| 03:16:34 | bzdougg | thx - ultimate subwoofer test.mp3 |
| 03:17:10 | bzdougg | thx - moo cow.mp3 |
| 03:17:43 | bzdougg | and my favorite! |
| 03:17:44 | bzdougg | sound effects - Donkey hee haws.mp3 |
| 03:17:51 | bzdougg | snickers |
| 03:18:42 | CaptainNoPants | damn hick boy |
| 03:18:58 | bzdougg | makes up for the one next door |
| 03:19:07 | bzdougg | thinks it got shot |
| 03:19:36 | CaptainNoPants | someone shot your ass? |
| 03:19:45 | bzdougg | the donkey |
| 03:19:56 | bzdougg | now they have race horses |
| 03:20:07 | CaptainNoPants | doneky = ass |
| 03:20:19 | bzdougg | heh |
| 03:21:29 | CaptainNoPants | and now. |
| 03:21:31 | CaptainNoPants | I say |
| 03:21:48 | CaptainNoPants | see ya wouldn't want to be ya. |
| 03:21:53 | bzdougg | could you go here http://uniquehospitalityresources.com/1temp/UHR3/bathmarble.html and see if it says no image avalible? |
| 03:21:58 | bzdougg | bah |
| 04:44:42 | Widget | Hm... there's an "Amy Broestl" who keeps stealing my nick! |
| 05:06:04 | bh | hey |
| 05:41:37 | MrApathyCream | Wow! what is one to make of the flurry of activity? |
| 05:42:08 | sussudio | http://www3.quantumlynx.com/barontech/list/sayit.swf |
| 05:44:18 | MrApathyCream | lovely |
| 05:45:37 | sussudio | ohyeah.... people are going to so hate this map i'm making |
| 05:46:45 | lurgyman | ok, we'll make sure not to try it |
| 05:46:49 | lurgyman | :p |
| 05:47:50 | sussudio | maybe i should include some gerbil features like "teleport-inside-of-wall <tm>" |
| 05:47:50 | MrApathyCream | lurgy back on the wall, and wack the capn |
| 05:48:06 | MrApathyCream | s/back/bang/ |
| 05:48:19 | MrApathyCream | s/wack/wake/ |
| 05:48:22 | MrApathyCream | sheesh |
| 05:49:11 | sussudio | s/sheesh/d'oh/ |
| 05:49:54 | Widget | Hm... where can I find an English translation of Eugen Ionesco's "Rhinoceros"? |
| 05:51:07 | lurgyman | isn't "Rhinoceros" already english? |
| 05:51:19 | lurgyman | no idea, really |
| 05:51:29 | Widget | It's French. |
| 05:51:35 | Widget | Rhinocéros. |
| 05:51:35 | lurgyman | ah |
| 05:51:52 | lurgyman | same word in both languages then? |
| 05:52:19 | lurgyman | discovers just how inefficient the AIM protocol is when he tries to send the entire text of Jane Austen's "Emma" to a, er, friend |
| 05:52:20 | Widget | Yes, except for the accent. |
| 05:52:25 | lurgyman | naturally |
| 05:54:05 | lurgyman | ah, French... 'tis a silly language |
| 05:54:09 | lurgyman | like english or czech |
| 05:54:13 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
| 05:54:27 | MrApathyCream | rike's releaseing 1.8? |
| 05:54:35 | MrApathyCream | er, 1.7e8? |
| 05:54:35 | lurgyman | of course |
| 05:54:38 | lurgyman | coughs |
| 05:54:50 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: thats what it looks like |
| 05:55:22 | MrApathyCream | next is 1.7eA or 1.7e10? |
| 05:56:41 | captain_proton | i'd vote for A but next is 1.8 ;) |
| 05:56:47 | MrApathyCream | haha |
| 05:56:55 | MrApathyCream | that's funny |
| 05:56:55 | lurgyman | i think we should move to 3.09 |
| 05:57:28 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: don't read to much into it. |
| 05:58:02 | MrApathyCream | no? just feeling like doing some spring cleaning? |
| 05:58:12 | BZFlag | next might be 3.1.4.1.5.9.2.6 |
| 05:58:33 | lurgyman | woohoo! |
| 05:58:54 | MrApathyCream | now that would be a network protocol change!!! |
| 05:59:27 | lurgyman | i like the character that got changed in the documentation between 3.1.4.1.5.9.2.5 3.1.4.5.9.2.6 |
| 06:00:49 | MrApathyCream | 1.7e8 needs a d'oh! stats column ---> (blew myself up count) |
| 06:01:44 | sussudio | i think you need to make a canadian bzflag version... 1.7eh8 |
| 06:02:15 | sussudio | change the default graphs with maple leaf motifs..... |
| 06:02:32 | sussudio | moose sounds...... |
| 06:02:49 | sussudio | and maybe change the tanks with little mounted police |
| 06:03:13 | MrApathyCream | roques are boris |
| 06:03:38 | sussudio | and ofcourse you only get half a point for shooting people (exchange rate) |
| 06:03:43 | lurgyman | i think we need to put a mounted police motif right outside your front door |
| 06:04:13 | sussudio | no we have mounted police a few km's away |
| 06:04:33 | lurgyman | i'll bet that's what you thought |
| 06:04:57 | sussudio | i mounted a jehova's witnesses head on a spike outside my door, if that counts |
| 06:05:53 | lurgyman | well, in a country like canada, you have to get jahova's witnesses and mounties to double |
| 06:06:05 | sussudio | hm mounted jehova's |
| 06:06:11 | lurgyman | what with the limited people supply in Canadia |
| 06:06:36 | sussudio | you could always dress up some beavers in uniform |
| 06:06:42 | MrApathyCream | well, off to play e6... BZFlag let us know when you post the release ;) |
| 06:30:51 | MrApathyCream | we need an +fb option |
| 06:31:14 | captain_proton | +fb? |
| 06:31:34 | MrApathyCream | flags always on buildings |
| 06:31:40 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:31:48 | lurgyman | ehe |
| 06:32:02 | BZFlag | they could be landing on buildings, but they are not now. |
| 06:32:53 | MrApathyCream | i guess thats what fez was all about, forgot |
| 06:34:06 | captain_proton | wants fez :P |
| 06:35:05 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:35:30 | MrApathyCream | need to rollback xml changes in fez if 1.7 worthy |
| 06:35:30 | captain_proton | hmm, i wonder... |
| 06:35:49 | captain_proton | if i create the right vfo layout i could probably use bzflag's split-screen mode in the viz-lab |
| 06:36:04 | captain_proton | fez was never xml |
| 06:36:24 | captain_proton | but it could be reimplemented (and fix the many-fez-per-flag bug) with the old-style world parsing |
| 06:36:37 | captain_proton | fez changed to {} from 'begin' end |
| 06:37:05 | MrApathyCream | points at captain_proton and nods |
| 06:38:58 | captain_proton | hmm, whats this bzschtick? |
| 06:40:29 | | wish i knew, mrapathycream |
| 06:40:29 | MrApathyCream | ibot, bzschtick? |
| 06:43:40 | MrApathyCream | new flag ideas get voted on? |
| 06:45:58 | MrApathyCream | nope |
| 06:47:33 | MrApathyCream | would be nice if we could synchonize tanks version of sealed, and bullet's version of sealed |
| 06:48:35 | BZFlag | huh? |
| 06:49:18 | BZFlag | hmm. maybe that will stop me from playing till all hours in the morning. |
| 06:49:41 | sussudio | you mean tanks sticking out a bit? |
| 06:52:47 | BZFlag | meant the time display he just added. |
| 06:53:22 | sussudio | <MrApathyCream> would be nice if we could synchonize tanks version of sealed, and bullet's version of sealed |
| 06:53:47 | sussudio | if a tanks sticks out a bit, it will say sealed on their side but you can shoot it with normal bullets |
| 06:55:01 | BZFlag | calls that a feature |
| 06:56:23 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:56:33 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: yes |
| 06:57:28 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: But I want to be able to switch time zones! |
| 06:58:30 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: move |
| 06:58:38 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:00:39 | BZFlag | introduces MrApathyCream to tzconfig |
| 07:17:19 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:17:48 | MrApathyCream | 'tzconfig' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 07:17:48 | MrApathyCream | operable program or batch file. |
| 07:17:57 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 07:20:03 | MrApathyCream | new blessings needed, el capitan --> http://bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FlagList |
| 07:22:45 | MrApathyCream | sigh: ..\include\bzfio.h(26) : error C2871: 'std' : does not exist or is not a namespace |
| 07:22:51 | MrApathyCream | ad infinitum |
| 07:23:13 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, what #include to add to bzfio.h that is smallest? |
| 07:24:17 | MrApathyCream | perhaps i shall yank using namespace std; |
| 07:34:26 | MrApathyCream | hump, here's a goody, sw and laser are colored when CB |
| 08:07:43 | bomber_ | moin |
| 08:09:15 | sussudio | DONDERWETTERBRATWURSTHUNDE!!!!!!! |
| 08:13:02 | captain_proton | ewwwww |
| 08:13:26 | captain_proton | the bz-joystick email has a program written in VB, with no license at all |
| 08:14:09 | captain_proton | and as far as i can tell, is not entirely open-source |
| 08:15:43 | captain_proton | yup, has a few useless .frm's and a binary XStick.ocx |
| 08:26:14 | bomber_ | Pinguin? |
| 09:07:09 | Pinguin | hi bomber |
| 12:25:31 | snyke | hi akira_ |
| 12:25:44 | akira_ | hello |
| 12:39:20 | akira_ | ibot: bzflist |
| 12:39:21 | | akira_: jzaun.com:5155(1) bzflag.noodleroni.com:5155(10) chardonnay.math.bme.hu:5155(14) sun.unitra.sk:5155(2) ducati.bzflag.org:5156(2) |
| 13:51:03 | lurgyman | i bet you all wish -you- were taking a musick theery midterm in 12 minutes instead of me |
| 14:04:29 | doughecka | yup |
| 14:17:29 | doughecka | ick! |
| 14:17:32 | doughecka | RUN!!!! |
| 14:19:47 | sussudio | http://www3.quantumlynx.com/barontech/list/sayit.swf |
| 14:57:32 | sussudio | how do i get pyramids to deflect shots when they're not on Z 0? |
| 15:07:24 | doughecka | you dont |
| 15:07:40 | sussudio | bah |
| 15:07:46 | sussudio | no lasers for that map then |
| 15:07:52 | doughecka | noooo |
| 15:08:06 | sussudio | oh yes. |
| 15:08:13 | doughecka | nooooo |
| 15:08:28 | sussudio | ok, log on to sussudio.dyndns.org:5155 and find out why |
| 15:08:33 | doughecka | k |
| 15:14:21 | Terminator | hi all |
| 15:14:27 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 15:14:27 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 15:14:45 | Terminator | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org: 5156 |
| 15:14:46 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 15:14:52 | Terminator | wtf |
| 15:15:03 | Terminator | hmm |
| 15:15:08 | Terminator | who cares |
| 15:15:22 | Terminator | i'll just go in and if there is a space i'll play |
| 15:15:35 | Terminator | is busy |
| 15:16:17 | doughecka | hi |
| 15:16:20 | doughecka | HI |
| 15:16:26 | doughecka | IH |
| 15:16:26 | doughecka | ih |
| 15:16:37 | doughecka | wonders off to play AA |
| 15:20:16 | prodan | notes that AA is a battery size. |
| 15:20:17 | sussudio | ponders Laser and SW parking garage hell |
| 15:21:01 | sussudio | notes AA is also for drunk people |
| 15:21:31 | prodan | remembers that it has something to do with flying too |
| 15:21:56 | sussudio | no, that would be AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA if your parachute doesnt open |
| 15:22:16 | prodan | american airlines aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:22:44 | prodan | Acts of the Apostles. |
| 15:22:50 | prodan | Alcoholics Anonymous. |
| 15:22:54 | prodan | antiaircraft |
| 15:22:58 | prodan | Associate in Arts. |
| 15:23:15 | bomber_ | Pinguin |
| 15:23:17 | akira_ | hello prodan |
| 15:23:17 | prodan | Affirmative Action |
| 15:23:34 | bomber_ | hallo Pinguin |
| 15:23:39 | bomber_ | bist du morgen da? |
| 15:23:44 | prodan | feels caught doing something silly. |
| 15:23:47 | prodan | hallo akira |
| 15:24:58 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 15:24:58 | bomber_ | ibot ducati? |
| 15:24:58 | prodan | notes deap fritz only gained a remis on kramnik. |
| 15:25:22 | akira_ | little fight? |
| 15:25:39 | prodan | ich muss in 5 min auf den zug |
| 15:25:54 | bomber_ | ich muss in 15min auf den zug |
| 15:25:57 | akira_ | :) |
| 15:25:57 | bomber_ | :o)) |
| 15:26:06 | bomber_ | lets play |
| 15:26:07 | akira_ | ich muss bald auf mein rad richtung arbeit :) |
| 15:26:17 | prodan | also 5 min |
| 15:34:08 | lurgyman | American Armadillos |
| 15:34:20 | doughecka | slaps lurgyman |
| 15:35:12 | sussudio | rectal laser explosion |
| 15:37:01 | Terminator | is back |
| 15:48:29 | doughecka | ok |
| 15:48:30 | doughecka | http://www.intelrecon.com/text/PATCH_FIX_LIST.txt |
| 15:48:33 | doughecka | and I am off |
| 15:48:39 | doughecka | is away: getting mail |
| 15:52:16 | Terminator | hmm |
| 15:52:29 | Terminator | i still havent got 1.3 patch yet |
| 15:52:38 | Terminator | hi Wilinckx |
| 15:52:42 | Wilinckx | hi |
| 15:52:55 | Terminator | r u new to bzflag? |
| 15:53:04 | Wilinckx | no, not really |
| 15:53:10 | Terminator | cool |
| 15:53:13 | Wilinckx | hmm |
| 15:53:16 | Wilinckx | I'm not really good |
| 15:53:19 | Terminator | how long ya been playing? |
| 15:53:36 | Wilinckx | a month or 2 |
| 15:53:41 | Wilinckx | longer I think |
| 15:53:49 | Wilinckx | but I played 1 month no games :-( |
| 15:53:54 | Terminator | have u ever come to #bzflag before? |
| 15:54:02 | Wilinckx | yes... 1 tome |
| 15:54:05 | Wilinckx | time i mean |
| 15:54:06 | Terminator | k |
| 15:54:19 | Wilinckx | btw, I can't do a "wget http://list.bzflag.org:5156" |
| 15:54:24 | | salut, Terminator |
| 15:54:24 | Terminator | ibot hello |
| 15:54:45 | Wilinckx | ibot help |
| 15:54:50 | Terminator | whats that? |
| 15:54:58 | Wilinckx | I don't know... |
| 15:54:58 | Terminator | the link i mean |
| 15:55:01 | Wilinckx | I just try it :-) |
| 15:55:21 | Wilinckx | ooh sry |
| 15:55:26 | Wilinckx | it's the list server... |
| 15:55:28 | | Terminator: excuse me? |
| 15:55:28 | Terminator | ibot say hello to Wilinckx |
| 15:55:34 | Terminator | oh ok |
| 15:55:41 | | ACTION thinks Terminator is the leader of The Elite, in fact he is sure and he want somone to challenge them |
| 15:55:41 | Terminator | ibot Terminator |
| 15:55:46 | Terminator | :-) |
| 15:56:03 | Wilinckx | lol |
| 15:56:05 | | ACTION farts. |
| 15:56:05 | Terminator | ibot fart |
| 15:56:10 | | ACTION burps loudly |
| 15:56:10 | Terminator | ibot burp |
| 15:56:14 | | ACTION downs a beer. |
| 15:56:14 | Terminator | ibot drink |
| 15:56:19 | | ACTION downs a beer. |
| 15:56:19 | Terminator | ibot drink |
| 15:56:25 | | ACTION orders from ThinkGeek. |
| 15:56:25 | Terminator | ibot drink |
| 15:56:32 | | ACTION drinks a Mike's Hard Lemonade. |
| 15:56:32 | Terminator | ibot drink |
| 15:56:37 | | ACTION leeches some body fluids from a Zaurus. |
| 15:56:37 | Terminator | ibot drink |
| 15:56:42 | | ACTION has a MASSIVE headache. |
| 15:56:42 | Terminator | ibot drink |
| 15:56:46 | doughecka | sooo |
| 15:56:55 | doughecka | Terminator: you upgrade to 1.30? |
| 15:56:55 | Terminator | oops |
| 15:56:57 | doughecka | for AA? |
| 15:57:11 | Terminator | no not yet |
| 15:57:21 | Terminator | guess i should |
| 15:57:21 | doughecka | its very neat |
| 15:57:24 | doughecka | yup |
| 15:57:28 | Terminator | k |
| 15:57:35 | doughecka | http://www.intelrecon.com/text/PATCH_FIX_LIST.txt |
| 15:57:40 | doughecka | has all the stuff in it |
| 15:57:54 | Terminator | k |
| 15:57:56 | doughecka | The new patch (v.1.3.0) is going to be made available today! And this isn't your garden variety patch! |
| 15:57:56 | doughecka | A new map (Mountain Pass), a new Combat Effectiveness Meter, a new Honor System, automatic weapon lowering, a new 'Hit the Dirt!' feature, 1st person spectating, ability to dive on grenades, and literally dozens more features. |
| 15:57:56 | doughecka | Weighing in at 28MB, this patch has more features than the Naval Academy football team has turnovers! Go get it! |
| 15:58:22 | doughecka | ability to dive on grenades = you cover the nade up so teamates dont get killed |
| 15:58:28 | Terminator | doug |
| 15:58:28 | doughecka | :Z |
| 15:58:35 | Terminator | u done sniper school yet? |
| 15:58:38 | doughecka | nope |
| 15:58:45 | doughecka | I cant get my markmans test good |
| 15:58:47 | doughecka | :( |
| 15:58:55 | Terminator | i got 33 last time i tried |
| 15:59:01 | Terminator | but ya need 36 |
| 15:59:03 | doughecka | cool |
| 15:59:05 | doughecka | yea |
| 15:59:07 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:59:15 | Terminator | i passed live jump |
| 15:59:21 | Terminator | bout a month ago now |
| 15:59:23 | doughecka | Mmm, thats easy |
| 15:59:28 | doughecka | heh |
| 15:59:30 | Terminator | yup |
| 15:59:37 | Terminator | but i found it hard before |
| 15:59:43 | Terminator | dunno y? |
| 15:59:52 | doughecka | dont know... |
| 15:59:58 | doughecka | grins and wonders off to AA |
| 16:00:06 | doughecka | you need 1.30 to play me now |
| 16:00:12 | doughecka | upgrade... :P |
| 16:00:17 | Terminator | i am getting it now |
| 16:01:41 | Terminator | hmm |
| 16:01:57 | Terminator | everyewhere seems to only do the full game |
| 16:04:02 | Terminator | hmm |
| 16:05:14 | Terminator | damn gamespy |
| 16:05:15 | sussudio | "Due to the reduced warranty period, does your company expect to make significant changes to the construction and design of the hard drive products?" |
| 16:05:15 | Terminator | bout a 50min wait |
| 16:05:49 | sussudio | Seagate - Seagate will continue to research and implement technologies that maintain and advance drive and data reliability -- these are critical attributes that our customers require. |
| 16:05:49 | sussudio | Translation: fuck you, consumer scum |
| 16:05:50 | sussudio | eat our 1 year warranty |
| 16:05:50 | [TeA] | hohoho |
| 16:05:50 | sussudio | BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAA |
| 16:09:10 | Terminator | g2g |
| 16:09:10 | Terminator | bbl |
| 16:10:48 | Wilinckx | is there no other game-list-server? |
| 16:10:48 | doughecka | cool |
| 16:10:48 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 16:10:48 | [TeA] | ibot, ducati |
| 16:11:55 | Wilinckx | I mean a server where you can find game-servers for bzflag... I can't connect to the officiel one |
| 16:13:27 | Terminator | hi all |
| 16:13:27 | Terminator | i'm back |
| 16:15:14 | Wilinckx | ibot bzflist |
| 16:15:15 | Terminator | hi clq |
| 16:15:15 | | Wilinckx: bzflag.freebsdtips.com:6666(3) bzflag.noodleroni.com:5155(7) bzbody.dedicatedpenguin.com:5155(4) 209.152.106.94:5164(8) chardonnay.math.bme.hu:5155(17) sun.unitra.sk:5155(5) ducati.bzflag.org:5156(4) |
| 16:15:15 | | clq an terminator are friends |
| 16:15:15 | Terminator | ibot clq an terminator |
| 16:15:15 | Terminator | hrm |
| 16:15:15 | Terminator | wait a sec |
| 16:15:15 | | Terminator: huh? |
| 16:15:15 | Terminator | ibot has gone weird |
| 16:15:15 | CLQ | hi |
| 16:15:15 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 16:15:15 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 16:15:15 | | ACTION farts. |
| 16:15:15 | Terminator | ibot fart |
| 16:15:16 | | Terminator: sorry... |
| 16:15:16 | Terminator | ibot do sumthin' |
| 16:15:16 | Terminator | damn |
| 16:15:16 | Terminator | bzbot not working aswell |
| 16:15:27 | Terminator | lol |
| 16:15:42 | CLQ | lol |
| 16:16:33 | BZFlag | its me |
| 16:16:33 | BZFlag | time riker |
| 16:16:36 | Terminator | its me |
| 16:16:41 | Terminator | Terminator |
| 16:16:54 | Terminator | hmm |
| 16:16:54 | Terminator | i need to speak to tim |
| 16:17:29 | Terminator | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org: 5156 |
| 16:17:29 | | Terminator: bzf: unhandled "bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org: 5156" |
| 16:17:56 | Terminator | umm |
| 16:19:50 | Terminator | is away |
| 16:28:18 | Terminator | is back |
| 16:28:24 | Terminator | wow |
| 16:28:32 | Terminator | wuts with all the signing off |
| 16:28:36 | Terminator | hmm |
| 16:28:45 | Terminator | i g2g again |
| 17:23:37 | bzdoug | agggg |
| 17:24:32 | sussudio | SAUSAGES!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:26:42 | bzdoug | PIZZA!!! |
| 17:26:46 | sussudio | no |
| 17:26:54 | bzdoug | GAG ME WITHA WOODEN SOUP SPOON |
| 17:26:59 | bzdoug | is away: AA |
| 17:27:09 | bzdoug | heya Patlabor221! |
| 17:27:19 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 17:27:32 | bzdoug | is away: aa |
| 17:28:08 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i need ideas for 3D ui's |
| 17:28:18 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 17:28:33 | sussudio | captain_proton: reaching stick |
| 17:28:44 | Captain_NoPants | what type of UI? |
| 17:28:59 | captain_proton | for anything |
| 17:29:02 | captain_proton | as experiments |
| 17:29:13 | captain_proton | since i'm now in close with the viz people |
| 17:29:33 | Captain_NoPants | there has been some work with it |
| 17:29:47 | Captain_NoPants | where they put everything in a quake like world |
| 17:30:46 | bzdoug | ick |
| 17:30:48 | Captain_NoPants | the big thing is what you do with Z |
| 17:30:56 | captain_proton | i'm thinking of just focusing on CAM or whatnot |
| 17:31:15 | captain_proton | bzedit-3d :) |
| 17:31:21 | Captain_NoPants | since it's not a real axis on the montitor everything you do with it has be someting arbitrary |
| 17:31:32 | Captain_NoPants | CAM |
| 17:31:39 | Captain_NoPants | as in computer aided machining? |
| 17:31:44 | captain_proton | modelling |
| 17:31:51 | Captain_NoPants | oh |
| 17:31:56 | Captain_NoPants | didn't know they called it that |
| 17:32:01 | captain_proton | and in this case, it -is- a real axis on the monitor |
| 17:32:07 | Captain_NoPants | thought it was Computer aided design |
| 17:32:31 | Captain_NoPants | is it a real axis on the input device too? |
| 17:32:51 | Captain_NoPants | like glove style |
| 17:32:56 | captain_proton | yep |
| 17:33:17 | Captain_NoPants | well then you could do stuff where you put interface elements in 3 space |
| 17:33:29 | Captain_NoPants | make modeling handles "real" |
| 17:33:32 | captain_proton | but the question is what those interface elements look like |
| 17:33:38 | Captain_NoPants | ever see "final fantasy"? |
| 17:33:55 | Captain_NoPants | they had this cool holo glove interface thingy |
| 17:33:57 | captain_proton | the movie, the game or the anime? |
| 17:34:04 | Captain_NoPants | the CG movie |
| 17:34:37 | bh | hello fellows |
| 17:34:48 | captain_proton | yeah, i saw that |
| 17:34:50 | Captain_NoPants | teh bigest thing you DON"T want to do is use too much of the 3space |
| 17:35:01 | Captain_NoPants | then it's too much movment to get to stuff |
| 17:35:07 | captain_proton | well yeah |
| 17:35:26 | captain_proton | if i do it right just about everything you can see on the screen is reachable from the standing-point |
| 17:35:49 | captain_proton | and each glove is independent so i could possibly even build in some things that if it sees you reaching for something it moves |
| 17:35:59 | captain_proton | though that might get nauseating :) |
| 17:36:17 | Captain_NoPants | I can't realy think of any type of 3d object that displays info better then a plane tho |
| 17:36:30 | Captain_NoPants | we relate to it too well, like a peice of paper. |
| 17:36:47 | captain_proton | well yes, i will use planes to show textual output |
| 17:37:07 | Captain_NoPants | be cool to be able to put the windows where ever you want in 3 space |
| 17:37:07 | captain_proton | but the UI i want to experiment with 3d elements, because that's my excuse for wanting to use the lab |
| 17:37:10 | Captain_NoPants | relitive to you |
| 17:37:30 | captain_proton | but you have to admit that a 2d interface for 3d modelling sucks donkey balls |
| 17:37:39 | bzdoug | I thought it blows goats |
| 17:38:42 | captain_proton | mmmmmmmmmmmmm rimsky-korsakov 2 is so beautiful |
| 17:39:23 | Captain_NoPants | yes not being able to move around the model easaly and not seing it in 3d is what sucks |
| 17:39:40 | Captain_NoPants | when you want acurate stuff sometimes 2d views make sense |
| 17:39:45 | Captain_NoPants | like cross sections |
| 17:40:13 | captain_proton | who wants accurate? i want something thats fast and intuitive, if you want accurate you can then pull the prototype back into a standard modeller |
| 17:40:15 | Captain_NoPants | and it's easy to contrain yourself in 2d when you need to |
| 17:40:26 | Captain_NoPants | yeah it all depends on your needs |
| 17:40:46 | Captain_NoPants | for fast organic modeling a "sculpty" type thing is better |
| 17:40:55 | Captain_NoPants | for making space shuttle parts... I dont' know |
| 17:41:20 | captain_proton | well i know the interface for fast organic modelling - its just like clay |
| 17:41:26 | Captain_NoPants | yeah |
| 17:41:28 | captain_proton | the thing i want to figure out is polygonal modelling |
| 17:42:01 | Captain_NoPants | gotta find the ballance between freeness and accuracy |
| 17:42:13 | Captain_NoPants | most stuff now is just extrusions, and revolves |
| 17:43:36 | Captain_NoPants | tho I don't know how much longer poly models will be with us |
| 17:43:55 | captain_proton | long enough for me to play around a little |
| 17:44:07 | Captain_NoPants | if the cards can get fast surface renderers then that would be the way to go |
| 17:44:21 | captain_proton | surface renderers? like voxels? |
| 17:44:31 | Captain_NoPants | that's one way |
| 17:44:46 | Captain_NoPants | or teselation of b-rep surfs |
| 17:45:04 | Captain_NoPants | ever play with solid models? |
| 17:45:14 | Captain_NoPants | and not the poly based CSG stuff |
| 17:45:21 | captain_proton | nope |
| 17:45:25 | Captain_NoPants | I mean real edged wing surface stuff |
| 17:45:27 | Captain_NoPants | it's realy cool |
| 17:45:33 | Captain_NoPants | big on the mem tho |
| 17:45:41 | captain_proton | i've got the hardware to play with :) |
| 17:45:56 | Captain_NoPants | so do I, it's all standard PC stuff now |
| 17:46:12 | Captain_NoPants | thats what our modeler uses |
| 17:46:21 | captain_proton | this isn't a standard PC |
| 17:46:25 | Captain_NoPants | I was fixing the bz tank |
| 17:46:28 | Captain_NoPants | I know what you have |
| 17:46:34 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 17:46:40 | Captain_NoPants | it's sad the bztank isn't manafold |
| 17:46:57 | captain_proton | manifold? |
| 17:46:58 | Captain_NoPants | I made it into a brep solid |
| 17:47:05 | Captain_NoPants | geometricly closed |
| 17:47:09 | captain_proton | ahh\ |
| 17:47:15 | Captain_NoPants | if you filled it with water |
| 17:47:17 | Captain_NoPants | it would leak |
| 17:47:21 | captain_proton | where is it open? |
| 17:47:36 | Captain_NoPants | the center has no sides |
| 17:47:49 | Captain_NoPants | the right tread has a gap at the bottom |
| 17:48:00 | Captain_NoPants | the turret has no bottom |
| 17:48:06 | Captain_NoPants | the barrel has no back |
| 17:48:14 | Captain_NoPants | I was able to solidify the rest |
| 17:48:25 | Captain_NoPants | and I fixed the middle and the tread |
| 17:48:36 | Captain_NoPants | and caped the barrel |
| 17:48:43 | Captain_NoPants | just need to fix the bottom of the turret |
| 17:48:53 | Captain_NoPants | it's a non planar cap tho |
| 17:49:11 | Captain_NoPants | and the texture coords on that thing were horible |
| 17:50:05 | Captain_NoPants | but the cool thing is that now that it's a solid, doing things like bevels and adds and stuff would be realy easy |
| 17:50:30 | Captain_NoPants | I think there is a parasolid kernel for IRIX |
| 17:50:36 | Captain_NoPants | you sould look at it |
| 17:50:54 | Captain_NoPants | it's got a teselator so that you can take the things out to poly models if you want |
| 17:51:17 | captain_proton | anything for IRIX = mucho $$ |
| 17:51:25 | Captain_NoPants | that is true |
| 17:51:47 | Captain_NoPants | ohh did you want the caster? |
| 17:51:52 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 17:52:30 | Captain_NoPants | ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/vizkit/Caster.zip |
| 17:52:40 | Captain_NoPants | all 55 glorisous megs of it |
| 17:52:55 | captain_proton | well i must be off |
| 17:52:57 | captain_proton | be seeing you |
| 17:53:00 | Captain_NoPants | see ya |
| 18:16:53 | Cell_prog_insect | hm, i im sick of programming this bitch editor |
| 18:16:59 | snyke | :) |
| 18:17:25 | LiarAndATheif | are you geting paied for it? |
| 18:17:33 | Cell_prog_insect | no |
| 18:17:43 | LiarAndATheif | why do it? |
| 18:17:50 | Cell_prog_insect | i dont get paid for anything |
| 18:17:55 | LiarAndATheif | how nasty |
| 18:18:11 | LiarAndATheif | who pays the bills? |
| 18:18:19 | Cell_prog_insect | my father |
| 18:18:33 | LiarAndATheif | that's very nice of him |
| 18:18:40 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 18:18:51 | Cell_prog_insect | im sitting here and programming all the day |
| 18:19:12 | LiarAndATheif | well I do the same thing |
| 18:19:17 | LiarAndATheif | but I get money |
| 18:19:30 | Cell_prog_insect | and dreaming of getting some money(1000000$) so i can stop forever |
| 18:20:37 | Cell_prog_insect | im not the person who likes programming |
| 18:20:39 | LiarAndATheif | well dreaming won't get you very far |
| 18:20:53 | LiarAndATheif | there are other things that make more money |
| 18:20:56 | Cell_prog_insect | but i cant do anything other |
| 18:21:09 | LiarAndATheif | you can learn |
| 18:21:17 | Cell_prog_insect | then sculpting |
| 18:21:30 | LiarAndATheif | no real money in art eather |
| 18:21:42 | Cell_prog_insect | i know |
| 18:22:59 | LiarAndATheif | now whoring there's money in that |
| 18:23:38 | Cell_prog_insect | im the person who comes up with ideas, and want to tell other ppl/programmers what to do, but sadly i know nobody good enough to be my programming fellow(slave) |
| 18:23:59 | Cell_prog_insect | what whoring ? he? |
| 18:24:00 | LiarAndATheif | well to start don't call them slaves |
| 18:24:02 | dinah | whenever i try to connect to a server it has an error downloading world database, is something buggered? |
| 18:24:05 | LiarAndATheif | being a whore |
| 18:24:14 | Cell_prog_insect | bad job |
| 18:25:33 | LiarAndATheif | bad and good are just one persons opinion of someting |
| 18:26:03 | Cell_prog_insect | i just dont want to work when im finished with university |
| 18:26:11 | LiarAndATheif | ok that's easy |
| 18:26:15 | LiarAndATheif | then steal |
| 18:26:32 | Cell_prog_insect | i want to study again something new and make coll hollidays |
| 18:26:56 | LiarAndATheif | stealing can let you acheive those goals |
| 18:27:33 | Cell_prog_insect | but i dont want to go to prison, i would only steal if its 100% save, but thats impossible |
| 18:27:46 | Cell_prog_insect | so i dont do it |
| 18:27:56 | LiarAndATheif | noting is ever %100 anyting |
| 18:28:09 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 18:28:12 | LiarAndATheif | just don't get caught |
| 18:28:33 | Cell_prog_insect | but what should i steal? |
| 18:28:39 | LiarAndATheif | money |
| 18:28:48 | Cell_prog_insect | from where? |
| 18:28:55 | LiarAndATheif | places that have it |
| 18:29:03 | LiarAndATheif | or stupid people |
| 18:29:07 | Cell_prog_insect | dont know those places |
| 18:29:19 | Cell_prog_insect | dont know stupid ppl either |
| 18:29:24 | LiarAndATheif | well you can't get anything done with out some work |
| 18:29:30 | Cell_prog_insect | stupid ppl with money |
| 18:30:07 | LiarAndATheif | go out, leave the house, stop watching DBZ and look for stupid people |
| 18:30:08 | Cell_prog_insect | some work is a good joke |
| 18:30:38 | Cell_prog_insect | how do i look for stupid ppl |
| 18:30:39 | Cell_prog_insect | ? |
| 18:30:41 | LiarAndATheif | law of entropy all systems will go to there lease energy state unless someting changes |
| 18:30:46 | LiarAndATheif | ask them |
| 18:31:12 | Cell_prog_insect | but how , i dont know them |
| 18:31:40 | LiarAndATheif | try |
| 18:31:56 | LiarAndATheif | your never gonna amount to much if you arn't willing to try |
| 18:32:17 | Cell_prog_insect | k lets get to my todays big prob |
| 18:32:25 | LiarAndATheif | bah why is youth wasted on the young |
| 18:32:43 | Cell_prog_insect | dont understand |
| 18:32:49 | LiarAndATheif | it's ok, you don't have to |
| 18:33:17 | Cell_prog_insect | what do u mean with wasting, what should a young person do instead? |
| 18:33:32 | LiarAndATheif | something |
| 18:34:24 | Cell_prog_insect | i think its just a stupid adage of 'older' ppl, u cannot waste anything in ur life, its all ur life |
| 18:34:34 | Cell_prog_insect | its running |
| 18:34:51 | Cell_prog_insect | there is no wasted live in my opinion |
| 18:34:56 | LiarAndATheif | well sitting around dreaming isn't gonna get you anything |
| 18:35:35 | Cell_prog_insect | but im not sitting im harass myself all day with programming |
| 18:36:04 | LiarAndATheif | ther we go. one manifold BZ tank |
| 18:37:24 | Cell_prog_insect | man didnt thought that highlighting is so complicated |
| 18:38:22 | LiarAndATheif | poly edge hilights? |
| 18:38:38 | Cell_prog_insect | i was making a transformation axis arrow for my editor, u can drag the x-Axis arrow to transform the selected object in x direction |
| 18:38:54 | Cell_prog_insect | or y or z axis arrows |
| 18:39:00 | LiarAndATheif | a scale widgit |
| 18:39:16 | Cell_prog_insect | scale rotate translate |
| 18:39:21 | Cell_prog_insect | for each mode |
| 18:39:29 | LiarAndATheif | ok |
| 18:40:40 | Cell_prog_insect | the biggest prob is to keep the axis frame at same screen scale/size |
| 18:41:27 | Cell_prog_insect | but after two hours of intensive thinking i handeled that quite well |
| 18:42:47 | Cell_prog_insect | now i have a proble with effective highlighting, i try to do:glClear(GL_ZBUFFER), glDrawBuffer(GL_FRONT), and then highlight |
| 18:43:30 | Cell_prog_insect | but its not that good it sometimes when to higlighted objects overlap, it flickers |
| 18:45:18 | Cell_prog_insect | and patlabor i used glDisplay List now, it gives me 15 frames instead of 7 with 100k polygons |
| 18:46:30 | Cell_prog_insect | but i did not try to use glVertexPointer, i use many glVertex calls instead, but i wonder if this would make a diff considering compiled display lists |
| 18:53:14 | Cell_prog_insect | http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/te_axishighlighting.jpg |
| 18:53:23 | Cell_prog_insect | the axis highlighting |
| 18:53:32 | Cell_prog_insect | if user is over it with mouse |
| 18:53:48 | Cell_prog_insect | it gets white |
| 18:58:49 | Cell_prog_insect | the infrastructure is almost done |
| 18:59:55 | Cell_prog_insect | then i start making the code cleaner and more robust(its quite robust now but i havent thought about every possibility) |
| 19:03:50 | Cell_prog_insect | the ifrustructer is as follows:selecting nodes/objects, translating, rotating, scaling nodes, grouping, hierarchy linking, manipulating the view, zoom, pan, rotate, zoom selection, zoom all, choosing reference coordinate system, freezing, hiding nodes, thats the main infrastruture, and i hope to get it done till monday |
| 19:04:22 | Cell_prog_insect | it almost is done |
| 19:06:56 | Cell_prog_insect | the, as i said, i will make the code cleaner and more robust, and then i will focus on suobject editing(extrude, create faces, edges, vertices), and then the a really cool idea will hopefully be realized, i cannot tell u more about this, becuse im afraid of getting my idea stolen |
| 20:27:10 | Terminator | hi all |
| 20:34:57 | LiarAndATheif | hello |
| 20:38:30 | Terminator | r u patlabor221? |
| 20:38:45 | LiarAndATheif | If I was would you beilve me? |
| 20:38:53 | LiarAndATheif | I am a liar and a thefe |
| 20:39:00 | Terminator | yup u are |
| 20:39:08 | Terminator | i just know it |
| 20:39:15 | LiarAndATheif | you sir are a smart man |
| 20:39:22 | LiarAndATheif | or woman |
| 20:39:27 | LiarAndATheif | for we do not know these things |
| 20:39:33 | Terminator | thats an insult |
| 20:39:39 | Terminator | u know i am a man |
| 20:39:45 | Terminator | well actually a boy |
| 20:40:16 | LiarAndATheif | I see |
| 20:40:43 | Terminator | 01,09yup |
| 20:41:21 | Terminator | 01,0901,99oh but u got the smart bit correct |
| 20:41:24 | Terminator | hehe |
| 20:41:39 | LiarAndATheif | now I find this funny |
| 20:41:50 | LiarAndATheif | soo many people want to be able to skin there tank |
| 20:41:52 | Terminator | hmm i just though of sumthin' |
| 20:41:56 | LiarAndATheif | and the model isn't even skinable |
| 20:42:14 | Terminator | u called me sir and ur and adult and i'm a kid |
| 20:42:31 | Terminator | :-D |
| 20:42:38 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 20:42:40 | LiarAndATheif | you so sure about that |
| 20:42:47 | bzdoug | why aint it skinnable? |
| 20:42:52 | Terminator | let say wut u said |
| 20:43:06 | Terminator | you sir are a smart man |
| 20:43:16 | Terminator | your words exactly |
| 20:43:26 | LiarAndATheif | but you sure I'm an adult |
| 20:43:27 | bzdoug | Terminator: american talk |
| 20:43:36 | bzdoug | :P |
| 20:43:36 | LiarAndATheif | becasue the texture coords are all over the place |
| 20:43:44 | bzdoug | oh... |
| 20:43:45 | LiarAndATheif | it would not be posible to put say a logo on the front |
| 20:43:48 | Terminator | oh well LiarAndATheif i am sure ur older than me |
| 20:43:54 | bzdoug | ah |
| 20:43:56 | BZFlag | is bunny_md here? |
| 20:43:59 | LiarAndATheif | since the texture is repeated all over |
| 20:44:01 | bzdoug | will 1.8 have it fixed? |
| 20:44:17 | LiarAndATheif | seems the 1.8 model is just a dump of the current one |
| 20:44:20 | Terminator | oh BZFlag how is 1.8 gong? |
| 20:44:20 | bzdoug | ah |
| 20:44:26 | bzdoug | GONG |
| 20:44:26 | LiarAndATheif | so looks like it's the same model |
| 20:44:29 | Terminator | *going |
| 20:44:31 | bzdoug | ok |
| 20:44:41 | LiarAndATheif | I am fixing the model so it can be exported for 1.8 |
| 20:44:44 | bzdoug | but they are going to change that |
| 20:44:46 | bzdoug | k |
| 20:44:51 | BZFlag | Terminator: not much to report. some work at the moment to get 1.8 building on SGI |
| 20:45:03 | bzdoug | WHO CARES ABOUT SGI |
| 20:45:05 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 20:45:11 | Terminator | BZFlag: k |
| 20:45:20 | LiarAndATheif | this will be my first real test of the BGI converter |
| 20:45:25 | bzdoug | BGI? |
| 20:45:43 | Terminator | i don't even know wut sgi is let alone bgi |
| 20:46:00 | LiarAndATheif | or is it BZG |
| 20:46:05 | LiarAndATheif | I forget the extension |
| 20:46:05 | Terminator | i don't really know nething bout programing:-( |
| 20:46:13 | bzdoug | lol |
| 20:46:28 | bzdoug | sgi and bgi are cousins |
| 20:46:36 | Terminator | lol |
| 20:46:41 | Terminator | i am not that dumb |
| 20:46:46 | Terminator | :-P |
| 20:46:49 | bzdoug | lo |
| 20:46:51 | bzdoug | lol |
| 20:48:07 | Terminator | Bien que je suis très fier du fait je peux parler français. |
| 20:50:35 | Terminator | hmm |
| 20:50:42 | Terminator | such a sudden silence |
| 20:50:57 | LiarAndATheif | well mostly cus we have no clue what you said |
| 20:51:19 | bzdoug | ibot x fr en Bien que je suis très fier du fait je peux parler français. |
| 20:51:25 | | bzdoug: Although I am tr |
| 20:51:27 | bzdoug | ... |
| 20:51:30 | bzdoug | ick |
| 20:51:54 | Terminator | it baiscly means |
| 20:51:58 | Terminator | hi m0nkey_b0y |
| 20:52:03 | m0nkey_b0y | hi |
| 20:52:08 | m0nkey_b0y | hi all |
| 20:52:17 | Terminator | well i am very proud of the fact that i can speak french |
| 20:52:23 | Terminator | thas all |
| 20:52:28 | Terminator | *thats |
| 20:52:44 | Terminator | although literal translation won't make ne sense |
| 20:54:08 | Terminator | bzflongquery ducati.bzflag.irg: 5156 |
| 20:54:21 | Terminator | bzflongquery ducati.bzflag.org: 515 |
| 20:54:31 | Terminator | oops |
| 20:54:49 | Terminator | bzflongquery ducati.bzflag.org: 5156 |
| 20:55:03 | Terminator | wut am i doing wrong |
| 20:55:10 | Terminator | sumone plz tell me |
| 20:55:13 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 20:55:13 | Chestal | ibot, ducati |
| 20:55:25 | Terminator | no space there |
| 20:55:34 | Chestal | but doesn't work either so far |
| 20:55:39 | Terminator | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org: 5156 |
| 20:55:39 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 20:55:43 | Terminator | damn |
| 20:55:51 | Terminator | leats da bot said sumthin' |
| 20:55:56 | Terminator | *least |
| 20:56:03 | Chestal | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:56:04 | bzbot | Red: 3 players, score: 4 | Green: 4 players, score: -6 | |
| 20:56:08 | PerfectCell | i have bought the dieter bohlen book 'Nichts als die Whrheit' |
| 20:56:15 | Chestal | hmm, the colon is wrong |
| 20:56:17 | Chestal | who added it? |
| 20:56:29 | Chestal | and ibot can query sevrer himself now |
| 20:56:35 | Terminator | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:56:36 | bzbot | MIQ (R): 0 (7-7). Just me (G): 2 (4-2). Micky (G): 18 (194-176). miko (G): -50 (26-76). soccer kid (R): -2 (1-3). kim (R): 0 (0-0). sergi (G): -1 (2-3). Storm (R): 5 (9-4). |
| 20:56:39 | Terminator | ah |
| 20:56:40 | PerfectCell | since i am a fan of dieter bohlen since i am 12 |
| 20:56:45 | Chestal | ibot, bzflist |
| 20:56:45 | | Chestal: bzflag.freebsdtips.com:6666(5) bzflag.noodleroni.com:5155(2) bzflag-1.games.internode.on.net:5155(2) bzbody.dedicatedpenguin.com:5155(9) 209.152.106.94:5164(6) chardonnay.math.bme.hu:5155(22) ducati.bzflag.org:5156(8) |
| 20:56:48 | BZFlag | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 20:56:49 | | BZFlag: R:5(36-31) G:-7(31-38) MIQ(R)1(8-7) Just me(G)1(4-3) Micky(G)18(194-176) miko(G)-51(26-77) soccer kid(R)-2(1-3) kim(R)0(0-0) sergi(G)-2(2-4) Storm(R)5(9-4) |
| 20:57:05 | bzdoug | slick |
| 20:57:07 | Chestal | bzflag: is it possible to shortcut this for specific servers? |
| 20:57:20 | bzdoug | slicker than deer guts on a door knobs |
| 20:57:47 | | Chestal: I forgot ducati |
| 20:57:47 | Chestal | ibot forget ducati |
| 20:57:50 | BZFlag | Chestal: I have not thought of a clean way to do it. feel free to send patches for specific server if you like. |
| 20:57:55 | | source is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or http://oss.lineo.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb/infobot/ |
| 20:57:55 | BZFlag | ibot: source |
| 20:58:05 | bzdoug | lol |
| 20:58:14 | Terminator | oops |
| 20:58:18 | Terminator | i am back |
| 20:58:21 | | BZFlag: excuse me? |
| 20:58:21 | BZFlag | ibot will not recurse. ie: one command can not make him do another. |
| 20:58:23 | Terminator | is busy |
| 20:58:24 | Chestal | BZFlag: I thought something liek a ibot definition, only that the answer would not output a string, bu tinvoke the internal command |
| 20:58:25 | Terminator | hehe |
| 20:58:28 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:58:34 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:59:05 | | BZFlag: sorry... |
| 20:59:05 | BZFlag | ibot does not listen to himself |
| 20:59:13 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:59:22 | bzdoug | cant you program a search funtion in it? |
| 20:59:33 | BZFlag | you can program whatever you like, |
| 20:59:43 | bzdoug | shrugs |
| 20:59:46 | bzdoug | :P |
| 21:00:17 | LiarAndATheif | whats Ibot writen in? pearl? |
| 21:00:31 | bzdoug | yes |
| 21:00:41 | PerfectCell | the prob is im miles away from being a good programmer, maybe because i forget everyhing so fast |
| 21:01:10 | BZFlag | pearl? ;-) I think you mean perl. ;-) |
| 21:01:11 | LiarAndATheif | I saw a link to a nice IRC class today |
| 21:01:13 | LiarAndATheif | you could use that |
| 21:01:25 | bzdoug | irc class? |
| 21:02:04 | LiarAndATheif | yes |
| 21:02:08 | Terminator | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 21:02:09 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 21:03:00 | PerfectCell | my father always tells me to make my functions small, but then i have to many and forget what they do |
| 21:03:13 | Terminator | i made my own channel |
| 21:03:17 | Terminator | :-D |
| 21:03:50 | LiarAndATheif | thats why you name them well |
| 21:05:06 | PerfectCell | yes but its so difficult and time consuming to find a cool short name |
| 21:05:23 | LiarAndATheif | noone ever said it was easy |
| 21:05:32 | LiarAndATheif | also comments help |
| 21:07:19 | PerfectCell | yes but with all the many small functions if i look at call stack i get sick |
| 21:08:48 | LiarAndATheif | why should it make you sick |
| 21:08:59 | LiarAndATheif | it would be a list of operations |
| 21:09:05 | LiarAndATheif | you know EXACTLY how you got there |
| 21:11:27 | PerfectCell | could someone implement the LoadMeshFrom*File() , (* means STL,3DS,OBJ,X,...) for me? So i would like to support all the game files that milkshape does |
| 21:12:24 | LiarAndATheif | why not just read milkshape files |
| 21:12:58 | Perfect_Why_the_ | do i get disconnected so abruptly |
| 21:13:02 | LiarAndATheif | and that's a LOT of formats |
| 21:13:10 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i know |
| 21:13:17 | LiarAndATheif | why not just read the milkshape files |
| 21:13:22 | LiarAndATheif | or pick one format |
| 21:13:22 | BZFlag | bz will only do one format. external apps should be used to convert. |
| 21:13:25 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i have implemented STL |
| 21:13:36 | LiarAndATheif | yes |
| 21:13:55 | LiarAndATheif | I made a OBJ to BZ converts |
| 21:14:16 | Perfect_Why_the_ | U told me OBJ is easy, maybe i do that on my own |
| 21:14:40 | Cell_prog_insect | wtf |
| 21:15:06 | LiarAndATheif | you sir are having issues |
| 21:15:28 | LiarAndATheif | I think I am going to start using MD3 tho |
| 21:15:31 | LiarAndATheif | it holds more data |
| 21:15:58 | Cell_prog_insect | i mean i could give someone who would like :) to implement other format types then STL my mesh class, its damn easy to use |
| 21:16:21 | LiarAndATheif | I'll probably do a MD3 to BZ next |
| 21:16:37 | Cell_prog_insect | cool |
| 21:17:10 | Cell_prog_insect | i lokked at the level format of quake3 and its pretty easy |
| 21:17:25 | Cell_prog_insect | but 3ds parsing is pretty difficult |
| 21:18:57 | Cell_prog_insect | i also made bezier position/rotation/Scale Controller |
| 21:19:09 | Cell_prog_insect | for interpolating key data |
| 21:19:23 | LiarAndATheif | the BSP format |
| 21:19:23 | Cell_prog_insect | its all in my mesh class now |
| 21:19:26 | LiarAndATheif | it's just a BSP |
| 21:19:41 | Cell_prog_insect | BSP? |
| 21:19:41 | LiarAndATheif | at lot of those formats are rearely used |
| 21:19:51 | LiarAndATheif | quake maps are BSP trees |
| 21:20:00 | Cell_prog_insect | yes, i know |
| 21:20:04 | LiarAndATheif | the models are MD3's |
| 21:20:20 | Cell_prog_insect | their own format, i quess |
| 21:20:30 | Cell_prog_insect | they use keys |
| 21:20:32 | LiarAndATheif | I may do UNreal U3d's to BZ too, since there is a nice free skinner took for that |
| 21:20:40 | akira_ | abnd |
| 21:20:47 | LiarAndATheif | yes it is there own format |
| 21:20:48 | Cell_prog_insect | name plz |
| 21:20:51 | LiarAndATheif | but it's a known spec |
| 21:21:19 | bzdoug | ? |
| 21:21:25 | Cell_prog_insect | hey akira ich habe mir das Dieter Bohlen Buch gekauft, kennst du es .) |
| 21:21:31 | bzdoug | UNreal to bz? |
| 21:21:35 | akira_ | Cell_prog_insect: nope |
| 21:21:44 | bzdoug | hows that gonna work? |
| 21:22:06 | bzdoug | that would be cool |
| 21:22:11 | bzdoug | is away: aa |
| 21:22:43 | Cell_prog_insect | yes but first bz has to support some more objects, then box, pyramid |
| 21:23:11 | LiarAndATheif | U3d to BZ at least |
| 21:23:30 | LiarAndATheif | 1.8 suports abirtrary geo |
| 21:23:34 | LiarAndATheif | that's what I am talking about |
| 21:23:37 | LiarAndATheif | the BZG format |
| 21:23:44 | LiarAndATheif | in all it's crapy glory |
| 21:23:51 | Cell_prog_insect | and they have to do the collision too, i bet that would keep keep the devs busy for a long time |
| 21:24:10 | Cell_prog_insect | :) |
| 21:24:17 | akira_ | Cell_prog_insect: :) |
| 21:24:30 | LiarAndATheif | no it's uses simplitifed colision regions |
| 21:24:38 | LiarAndATheif | we've been over this before |
| 21:25:02 | Cell_prog_insect | but take a lokk ito the cvs at the source, nobody knows whats going on, currently :) |
| 21:25:16 | LiarAndATheif | you define a colision region that is a boolean collection of boxes and piramids |
| 21:25:22 | LiarAndATheif | yes it is not done yet |
| 21:25:26 | Cell_prog_insect | i know |
| 21:25:38 | Cell_prog_insect | but u first need to implement it |
| 21:25:48 | LiarAndATheif | no I would not implement it |
| 21:25:54 | LiarAndATheif | I would rip it a complete new one |
| 21:26:05 | akira_ | and implement it fast and robust and faster and flexible |
| 21:26:39 | Cell_prog_insect | hm, that would take time, since they want to make some changis on the server |
| 21:26:52 | LiarAndATheif | I don't exactly agree with the entire XML decision, but it can work |
| 21:27:29 | akira_ | which xml decision? |
| 21:27:37 | LiarAndATheif | to put models in them |
| 21:27:48 | Cell_prog_insect | i think they dont have a format for the animations, so the xml Doc Def is not done yet |
| 21:27:55 | LiarAndATheif | I can see puting congigs and stuff in XML |
| 21:28:01 | LiarAndATheif | but wny not use an existing model format |
| 21:28:15 | LiarAndATheif | it can do animated models |
| 21:28:24 | Cell_prog_insect | i dont know, they try to make it their own way |
| 21:28:26 | LiarAndATheif | the flag is done, and it's animaated |
| 21:29:07 | Cell_prog_insect | yes what about the explosions |
| 21:29:15 | akira_ | who? |
| 21:29:26 | LiarAndATheif | what? the tank parts flying out? |
| 21:29:32 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 21:29:32 | LiarAndATheif | that's all paramatric |
| 21:29:39 | LiarAndATheif | tht's done in code |
| 21:29:46 | LiarAndATheif | the model is grouped into the parts that blow up |
| 21:29:49 | Cell_prog_insect | and the billboards animation |
| 21:29:59 | LiarAndATheif | that's an animated texture thing |
| 21:30:03 | Cell_prog_insect | yes |
| 21:30:10 | LiarAndATheif | it can all be defined in the XML |
| 21:30:37 | Cell_prog_insect | yes, but the prob is ther is no format thought up until now |
| 21:30:38 | LiarAndATheif | just making a converter for existing models is a bitch |
| 21:30:50 | LiarAndATheif | there are other that would have worked |
| 21:31:05 | Cell_prog_insect | defining inxml is then an easy task |
| 21:31:08 | LiarAndATheif | or formats in conjunction with a XML type config file |
| 21:31:35 | LiarAndATheif | it's just that the model geo data is a direct tranlation of the GLVertex array command |
| 21:31:42 | LiarAndATheif | most models don't come like that |
| 21:31:49 | Cell_prog_insect | but |
| 21:31:56 | LiarAndATheif | it's lazy |
| 21:32:26 | LiarAndATheif | it makes it very hard to make a tool that makes an optimal model |
| 21:32:30 | Cell_prog_insect | does quake3 use skinned meshes |
| 21:32:34 | LiarAndATheif | yes |
| 21:32:46 | LiarAndATheif | a MD3 can contain N skinnes meshes |
| 21:32:58 | LiarAndATheif | with each mesh using n textures with various options. |
| 21:33:17 | Cell_prog_insect | and its accelerated by the hardware |
| 21:33:22 | LiarAndATheif | and they contain "tags" that allow multiple MD3's to be linked |
| 21:33:35 | LiarAndATheif | using weighted metixes sure |
| 21:33:52 | LiarAndATheif | you will at least get fill rate acceleration on all cards |
| 21:33:57 | Cell_prog_insect | and what about LOD in quake 3? |
| 21:34:00 | LiarAndATheif | some can keep the geo in hardware |
| 21:34:11 | LiarAndATheif | you can define LOD models for each MD3 |
| 21:34:19 | Cell_prog_insect | static |
| 21:34:22 | LiarAndATheif | yes |
| 21:34:27 | LiarAndATheif | just like bz now |
| 21:34:44 | LiarAndATheif | but there is nothing saying you can't do an automatic thing on the data once you get it in |
| 21:34:52 | LiarAndATheif | MD3 is just a disk format |
| 21:34:58 | Cell_prog_insect | k |
| 21:35:14 | LiarAndATheif | unreal can do dynamic LOD |
| 21:35:24 | LiarAndATheif | edge colapsing |
| 21:35:46 | Cell_prog_insect | its vie dependent? |
| 21:35:51 | Cell_prog_insect | view |
| 21:35:57 | LiarAndATheif | it can be |
| 21:36:11 | LiarAndATheif | all depends on how you call it in the unreal script |
| 21:36:25 | Cell_prog_insect | what is the unreal script? |
| 21:36:30 | akira_ | i think i doesnt bring anything -> dynamic lod for static models |
| 21:36:32 | LiarAndATheif | that what makes unreal go |
| 21:36:40 | LiarAndATheif | no it dosn't realy |
| 21:36:54 | akira_ | it just brings cputime :) |
| 21:36:55 | LiarAndATheif | LOD realy gets you stuff on terain |
| 21:37:15 | akira_ | LiarAndATheif: true . but not for static models right? |
| 21:37:18 | LiarAndATheif | the unreal engine is realy quite interesting |
| 21:37:28 | LiarAndATheif | for little models no |
| 21:37:43 | LiarAndATheif | I think it mostly helps on world model stuff |
| 21:37:49 | LiarAndATheif | I don't see the need to LOD players |
| 21:38:08 | LiarAndATheif | unless you are doing something with a LOT of tris |
| 21:38:10 | akira_ | dynamicly i agree .. static its brings some stuff |
| 21:38:27 | akira_ | it brings a lot i d like to say :) |
| 21:38:31 | akira_ | damit its late |
| 21:38:42 | LiarAndATheif | for you perhaps |
| 21:39:18 | akira_ | for you too :) |
| 21:39:26 | LiarAndATheif | nope |
| 21:39:27 | akira_ | my watch rulez the world, pinky |
| 21:39:28 | Cell_prog_insect | i tried to used the vertex coloring utility in 3d studio, but it does not yeld good results on my geometry, too big polys |
| 21:39:43 | LiarAndATheif | you can't cheat the lightmaps |
| 21:39:59 | Cell_prog_insect | but i ask myself if it is better to have more polys instead of lightmaps |
| 21:40:11 | akira_ | Cell_prog_insect: NOPE it isnt better |
| 21:40:16 | Cell_prog_insect | why? |
| 21:40:30 | LiarAndATheif | you have to transform all that geo |
| 21:40:37 | akira_ | its much less computational intensitive ... |
| 21:40:43 | akira_ | (if thats the right word) |
| 21:40:44 | Cell_prog_insect | yes but its done by the card |
| 21:40:44 | LiarAndATheif | RAM is cheap |
| 21:40:52 | LiarAndATheif | still it's not free |
| 21:41:08 | LiarAndATheif | it taxes the card more then a multit texture pass |
| 21:41:16 | akira_ | Cell_prog_insect: but you have to raster ALL the polygons with the texture too |
| 21:41:21 | Cell_prog_insect | and the texture binding changes |
| 21:41:39 | Cell_prog_insect | k |
| 21:41:42 | akira_ | 100000 polygons + texturing for 100000 polygons is much more expensive than rendering 1000 polys and texture 1000 polys |
| 21:42:03 | akira_ | LiarAndATheif: right |
| 21:42:34 | LiarAndATheif | yeah even if you have to texture it twice |
| 21:42:36 | akira_ | there are much more operations to do all the transformation and lighting and texturing then only texturing and just some transformations |
| 21:42:40 | LiarAndATheif | most cards got fill rate up the ass |
| 21:42:54 | LiarAndATheif | GL's ligts blow anyway |
| 21:43:18 | LiarAndATheif | you only get 8 of them |
| 21:43:25 | LiarAndATheif | and it can realy slow down after 1 or 2 |
| 21:43:55 | akira_ | you get more then 8 :) |
| 21:44:01 | Perfect_Why_the_ | but u can group polygons by lights, and though get more, but that is not that funny |
| 21:44:16 | akira_ | or buy a "real" expensive card :) |
| 21:44:21 | LiarAndATheif | still |
| 21:44:26 | LiarAndATheif | it's not good |
| 21:44:30 | akira_ | yep, vertexlighting is crap |
| 21:44:35 | LiarAndATheif | and with viertex lights you can't get a hard shadow |
| 21:44:56 | akira_ | but for luck you got now pixel and vertexshaders :) |
| 21:45:08 | LiarAndATheif | yeah |
| 21:45:19 | akira_ | LiarAndATheif: shadows are much more global lighting model stuff :) |
| 21:45:27 | LiarAndATheif | mmmmmmm bump maps |
| 21:45:48 | akira_ | bump maps are fake :) |
| 21:45:57 | akira_ | realtime radiosity is cool :))))))) |
| 21:46:04 | akira_ | muhar |
| 21:46:08 | LiarAndATheif | yes but if you do the calcs yourself you still can't get a hard shadow without ether spliting the geo on the edge or making realy small geo segements |
| 21:46:21 | LiarAndATheif | fake is good engouh for most things |
| 21:46:22 | Perfect_Why_the_ | what about the shadow volumes, using the stencill buffer + z buffer, twho see if a fragment is inside a shadow volume requiers thwo rendering passes |
| 21:46:23 | akira_ | ok, got to go offline and do some stuff for my nonphotorealisticrendering course :) |
| 21:46:25 | akira_ | bye all |
| 21:46:41 | Perfect_Why_the_ | bye |
| 21:46:47 | LiarAndATheif | cell why do you fear lightmaps? |
| 21:46:54 | LiarAndATheif | se ya akira |
| 21:47:02 | akira_ | Perfect_Why_the_: its all just crap :) but looks nice or better then without .. |
| 21:47:05 | akira_ | but bye all |
| 21:47:16 | Perfect_Why_the_ | because i |
| 21:47:44 | LiarAndATheif | everything else requires more work on the CPU |
| 21:47:50 | Perfect_Why_the_ | have a prob to group my polygons effectifly by light map and texture map id |
| 21:47:57 | LiarAndATheif | and/or a card that suports the things you need |
| 21:48:08 | LiarAndATheif | so that's just a problem to be solved |
| 21:48:08 | Perfect_Why_the_ | and the generation of light maps seems to be difficult too me |
| 21:48:21 | LiarAndATheif | look and see what others have done |
| 21:50:39 | LiarAndATheif | and now it's time to take a nap and not be sick |
| 21:51:06 | Perfect_Why_the_ | i look forward to getting 3d studio max5, because i am not an artist, i would like too model my models highres,the apply uv mapping coords and then render too texture, then make a low res version, i.e polygon reducer, and the apply the map from the high res model |
| 21:51:39 | Perfect_Why_the_ | oh hi has gone, |
| 21:51:49 | Perfect_Why_the_ | well i leave too, its late |
| 22:51:12 | Chestal | ibot, x en de white mates |
| 22:51:15 | | Chestal: weiße Gehilfen |
| 23:09:56 | bh | heya |
| 23:20:30 | tvon | Whats up with Moongroup? |
| 23:21:40 | bh | what's moongroup? |
| 23:21:49 | tvon | turkey.moongroup |
| 23:22:14 | tvon | .com |
| 23:22:27 | tvon | hasnt been up for the past few days |
| 23:22:30 | tvon | few meaning 2 |
| 23:23:22 | bh | dunno |
| 23:24:38 | captain_proton | dumdedum |
| 23:27:15 | tvon | and whats with these new bedazzled decks maps? |
| 23:27:22 | captain_proton | i dunno |
| 23:27:25 | tvon | tsk tsk tsk |
| 23:27:32 | captain_proton | they're inspired |
| 23:27:33 | tvon | *real* decks is the *only* decks |
| 23:27:35 | tvon | posers! |
| 23:27:35 | captain_proton | or something |
| 23:27:37 | tvon | heh |
| 23:29:31 | bh | have you seen the dinner for 2 map? |
| 23:30:21 | tvon | not I |
| 23:30:26 | captain_proton | dinner for...2? |
| 23:38:46 | bh | that's the name |
| 23:39:00 | bh | it has a huge table and chairs |
| 23:39:32 | captain_proton | you mean dinner for 6? |
| 23:39:48 | bh | maybe |
| 23:39:50 | bh | hehe |
