| 00:01.57 | captain_proton | then tell me when do you so i can test svn update |
| 00:02.01 | MrApathyCream | doing co |
| 00:02.17 | captain_proton | all working happy so far? |
| 00:02.23 | MrApathyCream | is it supposed to smoke this much? |
| 00:02.41 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 00:02.47 | MrApathyCream | k, everything seems fine then |
| 00:09.04 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* still co-ing |
| 00:10.50 | captain_proton | hmm, i probably shouldn't have deleted the CVS dirs :) |
| 00:11.00 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:11.03 | captain_proton | it'll be a good test of svn's versioning on deletes |
| 00:11.25 | MrApathyCream | did you delete AList.h, et. al? |
| 00:11.41 | scanline | captain_proton: your roommate just visited, with a coke box on his head :) |
| 00:12.34 | captain_proton | scanline: i know |
| 00:12.38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: not yet |
| 00:12.40 | scanline | :) |
| 00:12.57 | captain_proton | i just deleted the CVS metainfo directories |
| 00:13.53 | captain_proton | but since this is eventually going back into cvs, thats a bad idear |
| 00:14.04 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 00:14.18 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:16.28 | scanline | doh |
| 00:20.40 | MrApathyCream | you didn't check in the binaries did you? |
| 00:22.21 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i might have :) |
| 00:22.39 | MrApathyCream | if that's the case, i can test commit tomorrow |
| 00:22.48 | MrApathyCream | :( |
| 00:23.01 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: interrupt your co |
| 00:23.13 | captain_proton | i'll remove the binaries and re-add the CVS dirs, then you can svn update |
| 00:24.00 | MrApathyCream | ok, i'll stop now |
| 00:24.09 | MrApathyCream | lemme know |
| 00:24.15 | MrApathyCream | don't forget dist |
| 00:26.55 | captain_proton | dist? |
| 00:28.27 | captain_proton | CVS metainfo added, binaries deleted |
| 00:28.35 | captain_proton | svn update |
| 00:28.42 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 00:30.05 | MrApathyCream | E:\bz\bz_svn_cp>svn up http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag bzflag |
| 00:30.05 | MrApathyCream | svn: Bogus filename |
| 00:30.05 | MrApathyCream | svn: Couldn't determine absolute path of http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag. |
| 00:30.41 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:30.46 | captain_proton | did you earlier check it out into 'bzflag' ? |
| 00:30.55 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:31.07 | MrApathyCream | i'll try again |
| 00:31.08 | captain_proton | go into that directory and just do 'svn update' |
| 00:38.43 | MrApathyCream | doobeedoo |
| 00:39.27 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: resumed the co? |
| 00:39.32 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:39.44 | MrApathyCream | still 56k tho |
| 00:39.51 | MrApathyCream | er 49k |
| 00:40.19 | captain_proton | hmm, strange |
| 00:40.25 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects/bzflag]$ bin/bzflag |
| 00:40.25 | captain_proton | loading fixedbr... |
| 00:40.25 | captain_proton | pure virtual method called |
| 00:40.25 | captain_proton | Aborted |
| 00:48.19 | captain_proton | oof |
| 00:48.25 | captain_proton | shotstragety iterators aren't working |
| 00:48.35 | captain_proton | it ends up dereferencing the pointer, loses virtual table |
| 00:49.16 | MrApathyCream | where |
| 00:49.25 | captain_proton | ShotStrategy.cxx:146 |
| 00:49.54 | captain_proton | at least it seems to be losing the virtual table |
| 00:50.00 | captain_proton | since its getting a pure virtual function call |
| 00:52.45 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, it seems to work for me, you get an exception when you shoot? |
| 00:56.33 | MrApathyCream | maybe change them to references |
| 00:56.57 | MrApathyCream | std::vector<WallObstacle> &walls = World::getWorld()->getWalls(); |
| 00:57.11 | captain_proton | ewwwwwww |
| 00:57.12 | MrApathyCream | s/b that anyway |
| 01:02.37 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:02.56 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: references don't work |
| 01:03.06 | MrApathyCream | no? |
| 01:03.18 | captain_proton | i guess i can try casting |
| 01:03.27 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 01:05.07 | MrApathyCream | hmmm dsp and dsw's need ms line endings |
| 01:05.16 | MrApathyCream | i check them in as a test |
| 01:08.59 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: have you ci'ed yet? |
| 01:10.31 | MrApathyCream | 1 sec |
| 01:10.32 | MrApathyCream | ok checked in |
| 01:10.46 | captain_proton | it asked you for a password? |
| 01:12.48 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 01:12.49 | MrApathyCream | and username |
| 01:12.54 | captain_proton | great |
| 01:13.04 | captain_proton | update shows that it worked right |
| 01:13.23 | MrApathyCream | good, holdon for fix |
| 01:13.38 | captain_proton | fix of the shotstrategy stuff? |
| 01:13.43 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 01:13.46 | captain_proton | :) |
| 01:13.58 | captain_proton | i'm gonna go shower, be back in 20 mins |
| 01:14.03 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 01:23.44 | MrApathyCream | checked in, give it a try. |
| 01:23.49 | MrApathyCream | going to bed, cu tomorrow |
| 01:24.04 | MrApathyCream | svn's pretty nice |
| 01:44.37 | Pinguin | Hi, which ports do i have to open in the firewall to play ??? |
| 01:47.47 | captain_proton | Pinguin: the outgoing ports are ephemeral, you'll need to set up a stateful filter or open up incoming UDP |
| 01:49.12 | Pinguin | outgoing cons are allowed anyway ... i think i have to enable incoming udp ... right? |
| 01:49.59 | Pinguin | are there some fixed ports for udp ... or are they chosen "runtime" ? |
| 01:51.05 | Pinguin | ibot s en de ephemeral |
| 01:51.05 | | Pinguin: wish i knew |
| 01:51.09 | Pinguin | me too ... |
| 01:51.20 | Pinguin | ibot x en de ephemeral |
| 01:51.28 | Pinguin | hm ... |
| 01:59.42 | captain_proton | Pinguin: chosen at runtime by the OS |
| 01:59.53 | captain_proton | if you can do stateful UDP, thats the best way to go |
| 02:00.29 | Pinguin | you mean RELATED ??? |
| 02:00.43 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 02:00.50 | Pinguin | ok ill try ... thx |
| 02:02.21 | prodan | guete morge |
| 02:04.05 | Pinguin | Capt'n ... doesnt work : iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 02:04.24 | Pinguin | Morgen Prodan .... do you run a firewall? |
| 02:04.53 | prodan | why should i tell you ;-) |
| 02:05.25 | Pinguin | to tell me how to configure it beeing able to play ! |
| 02:05.39 | captain_proton | Pinguin: is that rule before your general DENY? |
| 02:06.06 | Pinguin | simple chain ... only INPUT ... iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 02:06.14 | Pinguin | everything else has to be accepted ... |
| 02:08.04 | prodan | Pinguin: I use portsentry |
| 02:08.41 | captain_proton | Pinguin: hmm, i think you just have to accept incoming UDP |
| 02:08.50 | Pinguin | portsentry does only block when scaned ... right? |
| 02:09.31 | prodan | ASAIK yes |
| 02:09.31 | Pinguin | captain_proton: :-( |
| 02:09.42 | Pinguin | captain_proton: what about the related stuff ... shouldn't this be working? |
| 02:09.50 | captain_proton | Pinguin: well, UDP related is tricky |
| 02:10.17 | Pinguin | Hm ... then something like this iptables -A INPUT -p udp -s ducati.org -j ACCEPT ... |
| 02:10.52 | Pinguin | captain_proton: can you recommend me some good HOWTO for this? |
| 02:11.18 | captain_proton | Pinguin: on iptables? look at linuxdoc |
| 02:11.24 | Pinguin | ok ... |
| 02:23.02 | ak|ra | moin |
| 02:27.21 | BZFlag | captain_proton: looks possible. I want to play with it for a while before I decide though. |
| 02:27.36 | captain_proton | BZFlag: well, feel free to mess with my current repository :) |
| 02:28.05 | BZFlag | got a web page up? with a wiki pointer? or just a wiki page? ;-) |
| 02:28.49 | captain_proton | i'll make a wiki page for it |
| 02:30.06 | captain_proton | ibot nslookup bzflag.net |
| 02:30.07 | BZFlag | I plan to copy the "wiki" and "page" sections from http://elinux.org/wiki/ to http://bzflag.org/wiki/ and remove the icons and stuff at the top of the wiki pages. |
| 02:30.14 | captain_proton | excellent |
| 02:31.03 | BZFlag | hmmm perhaps I'll do that before I head to bed... |
| 02:32.13 | captain_proton | there, made a basic page with the relevant info |
| 02:36.09 | scanline | thanks |
| 02:36.52 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag/ <-- heh |
| 02:37.09 | scanline | ooh.. subversion |
| 02:37.22 | captain_proton | its nifty |
| 02:37.29 | BZFlag | check the wiki now. |
| 02:37.46 | BZFlag | added the left hand items, not yet removed the page ones. |
| 02:38.29 | captain_proton | it'll be even niftier when it can version symlinks |
| 02:42.40 | BZFlag | k. navbar and icons are gone. looks a bit cleaner, though the lefthand menu is long. ;-) |
| 02:43.03 | scanline | I especially love Xlib error messages |
| 02:43.11 | scanline | "Serial number of failed request: 584236" |
| 02:43.32 | captain_proton | BZFlag: can you test commiting some random change to my svn repository? |
| 02:44.19 | BZFlag | not tonight. headed to bed. went to bed last night at 5 and back up at 8. 3 hours does not cut it. ;-) |
| 02:44.27 | captain_proton | ahh k |
| 02:44.29 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 02:44.55 | BZFlag | I did get a hold of an SGI Indy r5000 to test bz on. that's not for tonight though either. |
| 02:47.24 | captain_proton | fun |
| 02:52.01 | BZFlag | nite |
| 02:54.29 | captain_proton | bedtime for me too |
| 02:55.02 | scanline | wimp |
| 02:55.52 | captain_proton | heh, 'night scanline |
| 02:56.06 | scanline | night captain_proton |
| 03:31.14 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 03:31.14 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 03:31.15 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 06:09.17 | sussudio | ~prozac |
| 06:09.17 | | sussudio: bugger all, i dunno |
| 06:09.36 | prodan | ~sussudio |
| 06:09.36 | | methinks sussudio is Get a life, Doug. |
| 06:09.46 | sussudio | ibot: prozac is <reply> Prozac is prodan |
| 06:09.46 | | sussudio: okay |
| 06:09.56 | prodan | ~prodan |
| 06:09.56 | | methinks prodan is interested in the existence of Nash Equilibria in games with compact action sets and discontinuous payoff functions or lazy or not knowing anything about the stuff he says ... |
| 06:10.13 | prodan | ~prozac |
| 06:10.13 | | Prozac is prodan |
| 06:10.20 | prodan | hmmm, no recursion? |
| 06:10.30 | sussudio | no |
| 06:10.46 | prodan | ibot recurse |
| 06:10.46 | | PicoBot: recurse |
| 06:26.26 | susszilla | ibot x en de cheesecake |
| 06:26.35 | susszilla | hmz |
| 06:26.46 | susszilla | still doesnt display properly |
| 06:28.37 | Chestal | it's probably usign UTF-8 |
| 06:30.30 | sussudio | i got some chinese crap displayed properly in mozilla |
| 06:31.50 | sussudio | ibot x en ch crap |
| 06:31.50 | | sussudio: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:32.15 | sussudio | ibot en cn crap |
| 06:32.15 | | i haven't a clue, sussudio |
| 06:32.20 | sussudio | :-P |
| 07:30.37 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: is it working? |
| 07:41.54 | [dmp] | Damn lazarus' site is slow :-< |
| 07:49.05 | doughecka | BOOYEA~ |
| 07:49.32 | doughecka | ~lart [dmp] |
| 08:14.03 | [dmp] | always friendly. |
| 08:19.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 08:23.18 | prodan | anybody for ducati? |
| 08:23.34 | doughecka | no |
| 08:23.50 | prodan | but its my birthday |
| 08:23.58 | prodan | you cannot refuse my wish |
| 08:24.11 | doughecka | happy b-day |
| 08:24.15 | doughecka | :P |
| 08:24.16 | prodan | thx |
| 09:01.16 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 09:01.21 | Patlabor221 | hi |
| 09:08.17 | doughecka | sweet |
| 09:08.21 | doughecka | dual monitors in XP |
| 09:11.06 | doughecka | ooh, this is nice.... |
| 09:11.07 | doughecka | :) |
| 09:11.16 | doughecka | hrm... |
| 09:19.20 | Patlabor221 | you can add up to 6 |
| 09:20.12 | Patlabor221 | 2 monitors is how I run every day |
| 09:20.12 | doughecka | yea, but my XP dont support my video cards for dual monitors |
| 09:20.12 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 09:20.12 | Patlabor221 | the cards should all use the same drivers |
| 09:20.12 | doughecka | I had to make my PCI my primary card |
| 09:20.12 | Patlabor221 | what are teh cards? |
| 09:20.30 | doughecka | the PCI ones are S3 and a AGP geforce |
| 09:21.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah that dosn't work very well |
| 09:21.36 | doughecka | heh |
| 09:21.38 | Patlabor221 | if you had an nvidia as the PCI it would work better |
| 09:21.38 | doughecka | yea it would |
| 09:21.38 | Patlabor221 | S3s are shit cards |
| 09:21.38 | doughecka | hehe, no XP suppor at all |
| 09:21.38 | Patlabor221 | exactly |
| 09:21.38 | doughecka | only the XP drivers that come with XP... |
| 09:21.44 | doughecka | at least it works... |
| 09:21.45 | Patlabor221 | get a little PCI GF or TNT |
| 09:21.54 | doughecka | yea, but those are rare |
| 09:22.05 | Patlabor221 | not even |
| 09:22.11 | Patlabor221 | we buy them all the time |
| 09:22.15 | doughecka | from who? |
| 09:22.23 | doughecka | I find them to be very expensive |
| 09:22.24 | Patlabor221 | they are basicicly made to be second cards |
| 09:22.28 | Chestal | post wars on ezboard |
| 09:22.45 | doughecka | yea. |
| 09:23.07 | Patlabor221 | Here's a GF2MX PCI for 33 |
| 09:23.11 | Patlabor221 | one for 35 |
| 09:23.12 | Patlabor221 | 39 |
| 09:23.14 | Patlabor221 | 39 |
| 09:23.17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 09:23.20 | Patlabor221 | 44 |
| 09:23.22 | Patlabor221 | 42 |
| 09:23.35 | Patlabor221 | for a second card a MX is fine |
| 09:23.43 | doughecka | thats as much as I paid for my geforce2mx400 AGP! |
| 09:23.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 09:23.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah they cost about the same |
| 09:24.01 | doughecka | so I would have dual geforce2mx's... |
| 09:24.04 | doughecka | sweet |
| 09:24.10 | doughecka | dual screen ames |
| 09:24.19 | Patlabor221 | it's not like pci menas cheaper |
| 09:24.25 | Patlabor221 | it's the same chips on it |
| 09:24.32 | Patlabor221 | just a difrent pin layout. |
| 09:24.38 | sussudio | just buy a dual head card |
| 09:24.43 | doughecka | yea, but PCI's are more rarer than AGP |
| 09:24.49 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 09:24.55 | sussudio | or triplehead |
| 09:25.31 | doughecka | sussudio: you sending money I dont know about? |
| 09:25.54 | sussudio | no, just a assorted collection of dog dung |
| 09:26.03 | doughecka | ah |
| 09:26.26 | doughecka | that explains the dieing mailman by the mailbox |
| 09:26.30 | Patlabor221 | dual head cards are nicer in some ways |
| 09:26.34 | Patlabor221 | but I don't realy care for them |
| 09:26.40 | Patlabor221 | usualy they don't have 2 gpu's |
| 09:26.41 | sussudio | no, that was probably the anthrax |
| 09:26.43 | Patlabor221 | so they run slower |
| 09:26.47 | doughecka | yea |
| 09:26.54 | Patlabor221 | some do tho |
| 09:26.56 | doughecka | but the geforce4ti card? |
| 09:27.10 | Patlabor221 | it still has a single GPU |
| 09:27.13 | Patlabor221 | it's a fast GPU |
| 09:27.14 | doughecka | ah' |
| 09:27.22 | doughecka | whats a dual GPU card? |
| 09:27.25 | doughecka | matrox? |
| 09:27.34 | Patlabor221 | and it's nice that the entire desktop is a single context |
| 09:27.48 | doughecka | indeed |
| 09:27.51 | Patlabor221 | no, they are usualy special ones, like from 3dlabs. |
| 09:27.56 | doughecka | oh |
| 09:31.49 | sussudio | hmm |
| 09:31.49 | sussudio | 3Dlabs Wildcat III 6210 |
| 09:32.03 | sussudio | what do you think this thing costs |
| 09:32.42 | doughecka | alot more than I can spend |
| 09:32.46 | Patlabor221 | oh i'f it's 3d labs it's not cheap |
| 09:32.58 | Patlabor221 | isn't the wildcat 3 there current top one? |
| 09:33.05 | sussudio | probably |
| 09:33.29 | sussudio | Eliminate creative boundaries with 3Dlabs Wildcat III 6210 - the latest Wildcat graphics accelerator to offer the best image quality and highest performance available on the desktop. With a massive 416 MB total on-board memory, you'll get the speed and performance you need without sacrificing any of the renowned quality you've come to expect from 3Dlabs. |
| 09:33.43 | doughecka | WOAH! |
| 09:33.50 | doughecka | 416 megs of ram??!?!? |
| 09:33.56 | doughecka | thats more than I have in my system |
| 09:33.57 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 09:34.03 | Patlabor221 | it's a pro board |
| 09:34.14 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 09:34.16 | Patlabor221 | for high end cad/ rendering aplications |
| 09:34.23 | doughecka | and gaming? |
| 09:34.25 | doughecka | :) |
| 09:34.36 | Patlabor221 | tyhe wild cat 2 is about $400 |
| 09:34.49 | Patlabor221 | the 3 is about 1600-1700 |
| 09:34.51 | doughecka | wow |
| 09:34.54 | sussudio | nuh |
| 09:35.01 | sussudio | not that one |
| 09:35.12 | Patlabor221 | actualy I would not want to run it for gaming |
| 09:35.23 | Patlabor221 | it's a very specaly desinged card |
| 09:35.32 | doughecka | yea.... |
| 09:35.34 | sussudio | thing costs 4000 dollah |
| 09:35.43 | Patlabor221 | usualy 3dlabs tuens there drivers for specific apps |
| 09:35.51 | doughecka | ah |
| 09:36.00 | Patlabor221 | ahh yes I was looking at the 6110 |
| 09:36.08 | Patlabor221 | it only has 208 megs of ram |
| 09:36.10 | doughecka | 4000 bucks..... |
| 09:36.25 | Patlabor221 | well that's sugested |
| 09:36.41 | Patlabor221 | I see it for $2600 |
| 09:36.51 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 09:37.13 | Patlabor221 | you don't have the money for a TI so what are you talking about? |
| 09:37.30 | Patlabor221 | stole moms purse again? |
| 09:37.49 | doughecka | I am closer to a geforce4ti than that, that, other thing |
| 09:38.26 | Patlabor221 | I'd get more ram before you get another card |
| 09:38.34 | doughecka | yea |
| 09:38.36 | Patlabor221 | what you have now 256? sdram? |
| 09:38.45 | doughecka | the geforce2mx is good enuf for now |
| 09:38.46 | doughecka | yea |
| 09:38.56 | Patlabor221 | get 512 ddr |
| 09:39.03 | doughecka | erk |
| 09:39.07 | doughecka | I have 256 DDR |
| 09:39.22 | doughecka | I could add 2 more ram chips to it... |
| 09:39.25 | Patlabor221 | I'd bump up to at least 512 next |
| 09:39.34 | doughecka | might get a second 256 |
| 09:39.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 09:39.42 | Patlabor221 | ge a 512 |
| 09:39.46 | doughecka | too much |
| 09:39.55 | Patlabor221 | $100 |
| 09:40.01 | Patlabor221 | steal |
| 09:40.04 | Patlabor221 | lie |
| 09:40.06 | Patlabor221 | cheat |
| 09:40.15 | doughecka | riight... |
| 09:40.46 | Patlabor221 | why not? |
| 09:40.54 | Patlabor221 | roll that hick town for all it's worth. |
| 09:41.10 | doughecka | hick town? |
| 09:41.28 | Patlabor221 | yes hick town |
| 09:41.33 | doughecka | they dont even know what a good computer is! |
| 09:41.39 | Patlabor221 | ok hick city |
| 09:41.43 | Patlabor221 | they don't have to |
| 09:41.48 | Patlabor221 | you tell them what is good |
| 09:41.49 | doughecka | I saw a 200 mhz pentium get sold for 100 bucks |
| 09:41.56 | Patlabor221 | and then you make them buy it |
| 09:42.02 | doughecka | :) |
| 09:42.07 | Patlabor221 | that's a good price for a 200 |
| 09:42.13 | Patlabor221 | system |
| 09:42.16 | Patlabor221 | or just CPU? |
| 09:42.18 | doughecka | monitor and stuff |
| 09:42.26 | Patlabor221 | that's realy good |
| 09:42.34 | doughecka | small monitor |
| 09:42.48 | Patlabor221 | soo |
| 09:43.03 | Patlabor221 | for somone who just needs to check e-mail that's good |
| 09:43.16 | Patlabor221 | that's what we sell our crap durrons for |
| 09:44.30 | doughecka | heh |
| 09:47.35 | doughecka | oooh |
| 09:47.39 | doughecka | opengl dont work anylonger |
| 09:47.48 | doughecka | bzedit dont start |
| 09:47.56 | Patlabor221 | you will only get GL on your main monitor |
| 09:48.04 | doughecka | I am on my main monitor |
| 09:48.05 | Patlabor221 | and if it's that S3, it got none |
| 09:48.19 | doughecka | well, my primary monitor is the geforce |
| 09:48.35 | Patlabor221 | not your primary |
| 09:48.37 | Patlabor221 | the main |
| 09:48.42 | doughecka | bah... |
| 09:48.48 | Patlabor221 | basicly the S3 screws you up |
| 09:49.01 | Patlabor221 | since it dosn't have a GL implementation, the nvidia can't start |
| 09:49.10 | doughecka | hmm, k |
| 09:49.14 | Patlabor221 | that's why you want them to be the same driver type |
| 09:49.19 | doughecka | indeed |
| 09:49.31 | Patlabor221 | the system can only load 1 GL DLL |
| 09:49.58 | doughecka | now whats this extend my windows desktop to this monitor? why would you turn it off? |
| 09:50.23 | Patlabor221 | if you don't want to use that card as part of your desktop |
| 09:50.27 | doughecka | what else would you use a second monitor for? |
| 09:50.38 | Patlabor221 | like if you were on a laptop and you didn't have one pluged in to the second port |
| 09:50.48 | Patlabor221 | it's not what else, it's what if it's not there |
| 09:50.48 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 09:51.01 | Patlabor221 | like if it was TV out and you didn't have TV |
| 09:51.08 | doughecka | yea |
| 09:51.09 | Patlabor221 | it's just to turn it off |
| 09:51.21 | doughecka | yay |
| 09:51.24 | doughecka | I got opengl to start |
| 09:51.31 | Patlabor221 | turned off the S3? |
| 09:51.34 | doughecka | yea |
| 09:51.44 | doughecka | turned off the extend my desktop thingy |
| 09:52.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah so it won't use that card, so it won't load it's driver |
| 09:52.13 | Patlabor221 | serialusly tho if you want to go dual, get a better card |
| 09:52.21 | doughecka | yea |
| 09:52.26 | Patlabor221 | and be prepared for "issues" |
| 09:52.36 | doughecka | lol |
| 09:52.57 | Patlabor221 | a number of apps do there own window placement, and they wern't desginged for multiple monitors |
| 09:53.04 | Patlabor221 | namely x chat |
| 09:53.13 | doughecka | now if I had a second geforce2mx in here.... could I play games on both monitors? |
| 09:53.29 | doughecka | like have a big wide view? |
| 09:53.37 | Patlabor221 | depends on the game |
| 09:53.46 | doughecka | hrm |
| 09:53.55 | Patlabor221 | if the game is smart enough to make 2 contexts and span them, then yes |
| 09:53.56 | doughecka | bzflag has kinda support |
| 09:54.04 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if it will span |
| 09:54.13 | doughecka | yea, but its got this threeview mode |
| 09:54.22 | doughecka | very neat, almost like cheating |
| 09:54.31 | Patlabor221 | was that implemented on windows? |
| 09:54.43 | doughecka | on all systems |
| 09:54.51 | Patlabor221 | then it may |
| 09:55.01 | doughecka | all it does, is that it puts three views on the same monitor... |
| 09:55.22 | Patlabor221 | oh that reminds me, I need to talk to the responsible partys about the '2d radar only" client that has been asked for |
| 09:55.40 | doughecka | lol |
| 09:55.48 | doughecka | thats would be neats |
| 09:55.57 | sussudio | Matrox Millennium G450 DualHead 16MB DDR PCI |
| 09:55.58 | Patlabor221 | no it would be cheating in some cases |
| 09:56.00 | sussudio | 100 dollah |
| 09:56.11 | Patlabor221 | we used to have some of those |
| 09:56.13 | Patlabor221 | they worked ok |
| 09:56.15 | doughecka | shew |
| 09:56.21 | doughecka | only 16 megs? |
| 09:56.30 | Patlabor221 | it would make cloak pointles |
| 09:56.44 | sussudio | geforce are ghey |
| 09:56.46 | doughecka | Patlabor221: indeed |
| 09:57.23 | Patlabor221 | it would also allow too wide of a field of view in the large display |
| 09:57.45 | Patlabor221 | I think that something that showed a top perspective of the 3d FOV would be more fair. |
| 09:57.51 | Patlabor221 | and a normal radar |
| 09:57.54 | doughecka | yea |
| 09:58.31 | Patlabor221 | or make a cheap little SDL based software renderer, that just draws the simple geo |
| 09:58.43 | Patlabor221 | or tell the whiners to just get real hardware. |
| 09:58.58 | doughecka | or wirefram |
| 09:59.00 | doughecka | e |
| 09:59.04 | doughecka | but that would kill ST |
| 09:59.04 | doughecka | :) |
| 09:59.26 | Patlabor221 | wirefraem woudl be unplayable |
| 10:00.19 | doughecka | out of blocks |
| 10:00.24 | doughecka | 2000+ of them |
| 10:02.33 | Patlabor221 | and why do you do this? |
| 10:03.31 | doughecka | dunno |
| 10:04.48 | Chestal | but we really should try to decouple game logic from the GUI, this would have several benefits |
| 10:04.58 | Patlabor221 | big time |
| 10:07.20 | Patlabor221 | when I get some time here I wanted to look at 1.7 and see about at least taking all the rendering and encapulating it |
| 10:07.51 | Patlabor221 | and maybe doing some higher level culling of the world database. |
| 10:08.20 | doughecka | so my maps dont blow up bzflag... |
| 10:08.22 | doughecka | :P |
| 10:08.29 | Chestal | both input and output must be decoupled from the game logic, and game logic should be put into a lib, might need soem major refactoring |
| 10:08.53 | Patlabor221 | yes I agree |
| 10:09.00 | Chestal | needed for bots for example |
| 10:09.05 | Patlabor221 | ya |
| 10:09.10 | Chestal | and for my curses client ;-) |
| 10:09.17 | Patlabor221 | your what? |
| 10:09.38 | Chestal | jost joking |
| 10:10.08 | Patlabor221 | I just didn't get what you meant by curses |
| 10:10.48 | Chestal | the term lib |
| 10:13.38 | PerfectCell | does the win2k server has a keystroke monitor/log ? |
| 10:14.16 | doughecka | hope not |
| 10:14.18 | PerfectCell | just want to audit what other ppl type in |
| 10:14.47 | Patlabor221 | not by default but they do exist |
| 10:15.01 | PerfectCell | yes third party |
| 10:15.15 | PerfectCell | but does win2k has it too |
| 10:15.33 | Patlabor221 | 2k does not have one itself |
| 10:15.51 | PerfectCell | k, thanks then i can stop searching the docu |
| 10:17.14 | Patlabor221 | think geek as this cool hardware one that plugs in the line on the keyboard |
| 10:17.26 | doughecka | yea, but that dont work on terminal services |
| 10:17.32 | doughecka | PerfectCell: right? |
| 10:17.34 | PerfectCell | yea |
| 10:17.38 | PerfectCell | exactly |
| 10:17.39 | Patlabor221 | it's a local thing yes |
| 10:17.44 | Patlabor221 | but it works in any OS |
| 10:18.55 | Patlabor221 | and you talk to it by going into a text editor any typing a speific sequence and then it "types" back login info |
| 10:19.08 | doughecka | yea |
| 10:19.14 | doughecka | thats pretty cool |
| 10:23.27 | PerfectCell | there runs a lecture on my uni i should take: http://www5.in.tum.de/lehre/vorlesungen/visual/WS02/ |
| 10:24.05 | PerfectCell | but im lazy |
| 10:24.43 | doughecka | ~ x to en Vertiefungsgebiet |
| 10:24.43 | | doughecka: i don't know |
| 10:24.53 | doughecka | ~ x de en Vertiefungsgebiet |
| 10:24.57 | PerfectCell | takes me 1 hour with the U-Bahn to get there |
| 10:25.01 | doughecka | oh slick |
| 10:25.16 | doughecka | PerfectCell: at what speed? |
| 10:25.16 | doughecka | :) |
| 10:25.33 | PerfectCell | 10 km/h |
| 10:25.39 | doughecka | hrm |
| 10:26.10 | Patlabor221 | that is not that fast |
| 10:26.28 | Patlabor221 | why don't you live on campus? |
| 10:26.53 | PerfectCell | i know, its lot of building sites on the way |
| 10:27.07 | doughecka | ah |
| 10:30.26 | PerfectCell | cause u have to wait 2 years to get a campus flat |
| 10:30.54 | PerfectCell | and this is hpefully my last semester, it would make no sense |
| 10:33.09 | PerfectCell | because u must know, the faculty of informatic has moved, last semester it was in the city centre(15min from me), now it moved to the other edge of the city |
| 10:33.47 | sussudio | PerfectCell: yes, they're trying to avoid you |
| 10:33.53 | sussudio | next year they'll be in hamburg |
| 10:34.28 | doughecka | how tall are tanks? |
| 10:34.40 | PerfectCell | next year they can move to another galaxie, i will not care |
| 10:34.51 | doughecka | PerfectCell: hrm, I would... |
| 10:35.01 | doughecka | PerfectCell: if they do, there is something deeper... |
| 10:35.12 | doughecka | tanks are 2 units high? |
| 10:35.21 | sussudio | 2.8 |
| 10:35.22 | doughecka | 8? |
| 10:35.27 | doughecka | 1.8? thats it... |
| 10:35.38 | Patlabor221 | so you will graduate this year then |
| 10:35.49 | Patlabor221 | 2. something |
| 10:35.55 | Patlabor221 | didnt I send you the model? |
| 10:36.05 | doughecka | yea, but I want to know for making a map |
| 10:36.55 | Patlabor221 | mins -3.10 -1.40 0.0 |
| 10:37.18 | Patlabor221 | maxs 4.94 1.40 2.08 |
| 10:37.31 | doughecka | hmm, ok, how high does it jump? |
| 10:37.32 | Patlabor221 | center 0.92 0.00 1.04 |
| 10:37.40 | Patlabor221 | that I don'tknow |
| 10:37.47 | doughecka | hmm, k |
| 10:37.48 | Patlabor221 | bsicly it's 2.08 high |
| 10:37.52 | Patlabor221 | not 2.80 |
| 10:38.03 | doughecka | oh |
| 10:38.03 | doughecka | ok |
| 10:38.04 | Patlabor221 | and 2.80 wide |
| 10:38.11 | Chestal | jumpvelo=19, so calculate it yourself :-) |
| 10:38.27 | PerfectCell | shit my sister has eaten everything my father cooked, im hungry |
| 10:38.29 | Patlabor221 | what is Grav? |
| 10:38.31 | Patlabor221 | 10? |
| 10:38.37 | doughecka | ~19 * 10 |
| 10:38.37 | | 190 |
| 10:38.40 | doughecka | ok |
| 10:38.45 | doughecka | 190 units tall |
| 10:38.47 | doughecka | :) |
| 10:38.52 | Patlabor221 | doug it dosn't work like that |
| 10:39.00 | Chestal | grav is -9.8 |
| 10:39.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 10:39.26 | doughecka | ~19 / 9.8 |
| 10:39.26 | | 1.938775510204 |
| 10:39.31 | doughecka | 1 foot |
| 10:39.31 | Patlabor221 | 10 would have been close engouth |
| 10:39.38 | Patlabor221 | doug it dosn't work that way ether |
| 10:39.38 | PerfectCell | what is thata |
| 10:39.40 | Patlabor221 | and it's not feet |
| 10:39.44 | doughecka | yea yea |
| 10:39.46 | Patlabor221 | it's meeters |
| 10:40.08 | doughecka | ~19 * 10 / M * C |
| 10:40.08 | | doughecka: are you smoking crack? |
| 10:40.17 | PerfectCell | haha |
| 10:40.20 | Patlabor221 | m and C? |
| 10:40.29 | PerfectCell | m = mass |
| 10:40.32 | doughecka | E=MC2 |
| 10:40.32 | Patlabor221 | mass does not come into it |
| 10:40.36 | doughecka | :) |
| 10:40.37 | Patlabor221 | it's not a foce calc |
| 10:40.40 | doughecka | it should |
| 10:40.41 | Chestal | does 18.42m make sense? |
| 10:40.41 | Patlabor221 | and it's F = MA |
| 10:40.54 | doughecka | Chestal: thanks.. |
| 10:41.04 | doughecka | that means my buildings are too tall |
| 10:41.13 | doughecka | teleporters here I come! |
| 10:41.16 | Chestal | doughecka: well, I am not quite sure, my phyics lessons are over 10 years in the past |
| 10:41.18 | Patlabor221 | mass has noting to do with acceration-> vel -> dist cacls |
| 10:41.30 | doughecka | lol |
| 10:41.31 | Patlabor221 | it has to do with force calcs |
| 10:41.42 | doughecka | yea, but bzflag should have mass |
| 10:41.50 | doughecka | and collision against tanks |
| 10:41.58 | Patlabor221 | thats a larger thing |
| 10:42.02 | Patlabor221 | what would the mass do |
| 10:42.03 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 10:42.15 | doughecka | shuv tanks off cliffs |
| 10:42.17 | Patlabor221 | besideds elestic tank colissions |
| 10:42.22 | Patlabor221 | momentum |
| 10:42.26 | Patlabor221 | that would be interesting |
| 10:42.29 | doughecka | yea |
| 10:42.37 | Patlabor221 | then they would have to tip |
| 10:42.45 | doughecka | yea! |
| 10:42.48 | Patlabor221 | and we all know, that there is to be no tiping. |
| 10:43.08 | doughecka | humph |
| 10:43.11 | doughecka | it should |
| 10:43.15 | PerfectCell | linear momentum he? |
| 10:43.19 | doughecka | would be cool to shoot DOWN on a tank |
| 10:43.21 | Patlabor221 | just play UT2k3 |
| 10:43.24 | doughecka | and ramps! |
| 10:43.32 | doughecka | will there be ramps? |
| 10:43.54 | PerfectCell | and flying tanks with wings |
| 10:43.59 | Chestal | and pigs |
| 10:44.08 | doughecka | hmm, slick |
| 10:44.18 | doughecka | and this will have realtime rendered feathers? |
| 10:44.25 | PerfectCell | and cows flying around there |
| 10:44.39 | doughecka | and alians in UFOs too I bet |
| 10:44.48 | doughecka | we need a easter egg in bzflag |
| 10:45.03 | PerfectCell | and rambo |
| 10:45.15 | doughecka | ah yes... |
| 10:45.16 | Patlabor221 | well I think that ohhh say stoping the cheaters would be first |
| 10:45.25 | doughecka | heh |
| 10:45.27 | doughecka | ooh lunch! |
| 10:45.34 | Patlabor221 | but then again you don't care, you never play |
| 10:45.38 | doughecka | I do too play |
| 10:45.40 | doughecka | and I make maps |
| 10:45.49 | Patlabor221 | 1) noone sees you |
| 10:45.55 | Patlabor221 | 2) the maps are stupid |
| 10:46.08 | doughecka | 3) PROFIT!!!!! |
| 10:46.09 | Patlabor221 | 2000 boxes in a piramid is not a good map |
| 10:46.19 | doughecka | I gave up on that |
| 10:46.40 | Patlabor221 | ahhh the ADD kick in? |
| 10:46.43 | sussudio | how about spirals 2: the next generation |
| 10:47.00 | doughecka | ? |
| 10:47.36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 10:47.41 | doughecka | maybe I should work on apryals |
| 10:47.47 | doughecka | ooh, new name |
| 10:47.53 | doughecka | apryals |
| 10:57.06 | Terminator | hi all |
| 10:57.12 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 10:57.12 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:57.14 | bzbot | FantaZe (R): 26 (56-30). Boum! (G): 0 (5-5). upto (R): -17 (24-41). root (penguins) (G): -2 (34-36). SGI (G): 18 (91-73). jpablo (R): 18 (74-56). Riggs (R): -2 (13-15). fuchs (G): -1 (3-4). |
| 10:57.22 | Terminator | damn |
| 10:59.25 | doughecka | ahhh, I see how gerbil got that inside out look |
| 10:59.49 | Terminator | bbl |
| 10:59.52 | Terminator | dinner |
| 11:02.46 | Patlabor221 | negitive scales? |
| 11:02.50 | doughecka | YEA |
| 11:02.54 | doughecka | yea |
| 11:03.08 | Patlabor221 | I'll be sure to fix that at some point :) |
| 11:03.16 | doughecka | bah |
| 11:04.28 | Patlabor221 | well but when I fix it, you just may also be able to add your own geo. |
| 11:04.43 | doughecka | yea, then I would be even happyer... |
| 11:04.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 11:04.59 | Patlabor221 | well understand that custom geo would not be parametric. |
| 11:05.09 | doughecka | ? |
| 11:05.15 | Patlabor221 | as you scale it the the textures will strech |
| 11:05.23 | doughecka | ah |
| 11:05.39 | Patlabor221 | and they will not light the same way way the current parametrics |
| 11:05.43 | doughecka | hmm |
| 11:05.49 | doughecka | oh goody, lunch |
| 11:05.50 | doughecka | brb |
| 11:27.50 | captain_proton | BZFlag: can you test a commit? |
| 11:28.27 | lurgyman | hurty flurty schnip schnip |
| 11:29.30 | scanline | schwameept? |
| 11:30.39 | doughecka | BRAAAAAPPPPP!!! |
| 11:30.44 | doughecka | excuse me... |
| 11:31.13 | scanline | captain_proton: my Xlib torture paid off :) |
| 11:31.22 | captain_proton | scanline: oh? |
| 11:31.28 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=94 |
| 11:31.38 | scanline | behold, rootless x11 driver! |
| 11:31.52 | captain_proton | scanline: sweeeeeet |
| 11:31.54 | doughecka | sweet |
| 11:31.57 | doughecka | whats that mean? |
| 11:31.58 | captain_proton | now i might actually write pg apps |
| 11:31.58 | doughecka | :P |
| 11:32.03 | scanline | captain_proton: hehe, yep! |
| 11:32.07 | doughecka | image is bad scanline |
| 11:32.30 | captain_proton | bad? |
| 11:32.35 | scanline | captain_proton: right now it still needs a lot of bugfixing, but the framework's all there |
| 11:32.36 | doughecka | I dont see it |
| 11:32.44 | scanline | doughecka: are you using some broken IE that doesn't understand PNGs? |
| 11:32.47 | Patlabor221 | doug 1) what do you care, 2) what does he care, and 3) it works fine |
| 11:32.53 | doughecka | aha, I see it now |
| 11:32.55 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:32.59 | doughecka | 4) PROFIT!!! |
| 11:33.12 | Patlabor221 | ohh stuf it |
| 11:33.39 | Patlabor221 | no it's a person that does that |
| 11:33.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: /msg me a username and password for the svn server |
| 11:33.49 | Patlabor221 | at bot would be more eficent |
| 11:33.51 | scanline | scary |
| 11:34.08 | doughecka | svn? |
| 11:34.12 | doughecka | scanline: boo! |
| 11:34.17 | lurgyman | nuck |
| 11:34.29 | doughecka | lurgyman: wing! |
| 11:34.43 | Patlabor221 | I still need to see if I can get that thing to work on the windows |
| 11:35.12 | lurgyman | lurgyman: my name is in yellow |
| 11:35.13 | captain_proton | MAC got it working |
| 11:35.21 | lurgyman | lurgyman: or not |
| 11:35.25 | Patlabor221 | well I didn't try very much :) |
| 11:35.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: repository is at http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag/ |
| 11:35.50 | Patlabor221 | think it'll work tru a firebox? |
| 11:36.07 | captain_proton | hmm if you can get out it ought to |
| 11:36.32 | captain_proton | i had to put it on a port other than the normal 80 because of the firewall here |
| 11:37.00 | scanline | captain_proton: before I'm done with this baby it'll take advantage of all the XRENDER, Xft, SHM and assorted fun X has to offer :) |
| 11:37.02 | Patlabor221 | LOL "ye olde internet" |
| 11:37.16 | Patlabor221 | where the hell is there download link |
| 11:37.32 | doughecka | Patlabor221: how hard would it be to make it when you add teleports to bzedit, it would label them like this: 0-1 then 2-3 then 3-4 etc to help in linking them? |
| 11:37.44 | Patlabor221 | I will not do that |
| 11:37.52 | Patlabor221 | that's the wrong way to fix it |
| 11:37.56 | captain_proton | http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91 |
| 11:38.13 | Patlabor221 | I 'll make links have a TP pulldown and a side pulldown |
| 11:38.25 | Patlabor221 | your way would not work for multiple targets |
| 11:38.33 | doughecka | hmm |
| 11:38.34 | doughecka | cool |
| 11:38.37 | doughecka | well |
| 11:38.41 | captain_proton | mmmmmm multiple targets |
| 11:38.44 | doughecka | I rename all my teleports like that |
| 11:39.01 | doughecka | it helps alot |
| 11:39.14 | doughecka | but that other way is cool too |
| 11:39.18 | Patlabor221 | I will make it so you define links like this "Top Teleporter side 1" to "Bottom TP side 2" |
| 11:39.24 | Patlabor221 | no more numbers |
| 11:39.27 | doughecka | ah |
| 11:39.33 | doughecka | ok |
| 11:39.37 | Patlabor221 | you are just doing someting as a workaround for a bad link interface. |
| 11:39.43 | Patlabor221 | numbers bad |
| 11:39.45 | Patlabor221 | names good |
| 11:39.46 | doughecka | then fix it |
| 11:39.49 | doughecka | :) |
| 11:39.57 | Patlabor221 | no, your rude. |
| 11:40.10 | captain_proton | dig dis, redhat hits the road. |
| 11:40.13 | Patlabor221 | cap any specific version I need? |
| 11:40.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: get 0.14.5alpha5 |
| 11:40.20 | doughecka | Please, will your glamoris self fix bzedit? |
| 11:40.24 | doughecka | :) |
| 11:40.29 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 11:40.34 | doughecka | hurump |
| 11:40.35 | doughecka | now! |
| 11:40.37 | Patlabor221 | more important things need work first |
| 11:40.40 | doughecka | ah yes |
| 11:40.44 | Patlabor221 | screw you! |
| 11:41.16 | Patlabor221 | yay |
| 11:42.07 | doughecka | aya |
| 11:42.43 | Patlabor221 | pervert |
| 11:57.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: got svn installed? |
| 11:59.59 | Patlabor221 | I think so |
| 12:00.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: svn co http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag |
| 12:01.24 | Patlabor221 | hang on gota get path stuff set up |
| 12:03.42 | Patlabor221 | bad URL pased to RA layer |
| 12:03.59 | Patlabor221 | C:\Program Files\Subversion>svn co http://bzfalg.net:3000/svn/bzflag |
| 12:03.59 | Patlabor221 | svn: Bad URL passed to RA layer |
| 12:03.59 | Patlabor221 | svn: No part of path '/svn/bzflag' was found in repository HEAD. |
| 12:04.21 | captain_proton | bzfalg.net? |
| 12:04.33 | Patlabor221 | some bitch |
| 12:04.50 | Patlabor221 | today is not turing out to be a good day |
| 12:05.19 | Patlabor221 | wheee lokit it go |
| 12:10.57 | Patlabor221 | not exactly fast is it? |
| 12:11.27 | doughecka | whats svn? |
| 12:11.32 | doughecka | like CVS? |
| 12:11.40 | BZFlag | ibot: svn? |
| 12:11.40 | | BZFlag: i haven't a clue |
| 12:12.00 | doughecka | ~svn is <reply> captain_proton needs to add something here |
| 12:12.00 | | okay, doughecka |
| 12:12.04 | [TeA] | morning ;) |
| 12:12.17 | doughecka | mornin' |
| 12:12.27 | BZFlag | ibot svn is SubVersion http://subversion.tigris.org/ aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 12:12.28 | | ...but svn is already something else... |
| 12:12.36 | BZFlag | ibot no, svn is SubVersion http://subversion.tigris.org/ aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 12:12.36 | | okay, BZFlag |
| 12:12.50 | doughecka | ah |
| 12:13.06 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it should be decently fast... |
| 12:13.18 | doughecka | manager* |
| 12:13.50 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: finish the co? |
| 12:14.17 | doughecka | ok... only 20 more teleports to go |
| 12:18.25 | [TeA] | ibot, ducati |
| 12:18.25 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:18.27 | bzbot | Rawen Ra (G): 7 (19-12). sn0w_m0nkey (G): 8 (25-17). abrakadabra (G): 1 (4-3). M1 (R): 6 (110-104). root (penguins) (R): -7 (19-26). Chestal (R): 19 (94-75). |
| 12:18.32 | Cell | is it true that if perspective projected(opengl projection) triangles that are oriented Clock wise became CClockwise |
| 12:18.34 | Cell | ? |
| 12:19.32 | Cell | after checking it matematically it seems to be true |
| 12:20.48 | Cell | its due to the -z divide |
| 12:22.08 | Cell | it really makes me itch |
| 12:22.16 | Patlabor221 | it just did yes |
| 12:22.16 | Patlabor221 | it took about 5 min to co tho |
| 12:22.16 | Patlabor221 | not quick |
| 12:22.23 | Patlabor221 | I think they have a powder for that. |
| 12:22.25 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 12:22.30 | Patlabor221 | cap trying it again |
| 12:22.41 | Patlabor221 | I had some other stuff running at the same time |
| 12:22.46 | Patlabor221 | still don't look like it's that fast |
| 12:22.51 | Patlabor221 | but hey it works |
| 12:22.59 | Cell | what? |
| 12:23.26 | captain_proton | my bandwidth is working fine, if i tunnel through another box i can get it in about 30 seconds |
| 12:27.37 | Patlabor221 | and it's still checking out. |
| 12:27.43 | Patlabor221 | there done |
| 12:27.46 | Patlabor221 | still bout 5 min |
| 12:28.00 | captain_proton | strange |
| 12:28.17 | Patlabor221 | I shall try it at home as well |
| 12:29.21 | captain_proton | can you make a simple change and test commit? |
| 12:29.27 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 12:29.29 | Patlabor221 | just did |
| 12:29.42 | Patlabor221 | well made teh change at least |
| 12:30.22 | captain_proton | svn commit should ask you for a username/password |
| 12:30.32 | Patlabor221 | ok gime just a bit |
| 12:31.02 | doughecka | what is -s and +s on the bzfs command line? |
| 12:31.09 | captain_proton | doughecka: rtfm |
| 12:31.33 | doughecka | WFM? |
| 12:31.41 | sussudio | man bzfs |
| 12:31.45 | captain_proton | the fine manual that comes with bzfs |
| 12:31.52 | doughecka | ... windows ... |
| 12:32.55 | home | hi... |
| 12:33.00 | doughecka | home home on the range, where the critters are tied up in chains! |
| 12:33.13 | home | lalala....always the same... |
| 12:33.16 | home | :) |
| 12:33.24 | doughecka | you Cryptic Gobflosser |
| 12:33.25 | doughecka | :) |
| 12:34.17 | Patlabor221 | wow cap: only 26 warnings :) |
| 12:34.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hows that commit coming"? |
| 12:34.18 | home | what the ... is a Gobfosser? |
| 12:34.31 | doughecka | only I know |
| 12:34.36 | doughecka | Kruglehammer is my new map |
| 12:34.43 | sussudio | http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow.html |
| 12:34.53 | Patlabor221 | looking at the command now |
| 12:35.50 | Patlabor221 | cna I tell it to automaticly look for what is difrent and comit it? |
| 12:36.02 | Patlabor221 | or do I have to tell it the file to commit? |
| 12:37.53 | captain_proton | sussudio: ...interesting |
| 12:37.56 | captain_proton | just do 'commit' |
| 12:38.04 | captain_proton | it'll send anything thats changed |
| 12:38.14 | sussudio | ~moo |
| 12:38.14 | | [moo] the way the world works. |
| 12:38.34 | Patlabor221 | bah says I'm missing enviroment vars to external editors |
| 12:38.54 | Patlabor221 | svn: No external editor available |
| 12:38.54 | Patlabor221 | svn: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 12:38.54 | Patlabor221 | svn: Could not use external editor to fetch log message; consider setting the $S |
| 12:38.54 | Patlabor221 | VN_EDITOR environment variable or using the --message (-m) or --file (-F) option |
| 12:38.54 | Patlabor221 | s. |
| 12:38.54 | Patlabor221 | svn: None of the environment variables SVN_EDITOR, VISUAL or EDITOR is set. |
| 12:39.06 | captain_proton | set one of those to the path to notepad.exe or something |
| 12:40.26 | Patlabor221 | whoa it uses my windows login as a username |
| 12:40.29 | Patlabor221 | thats cool |
| 12:40.33 | Patlabor221 | tho wrong |
| 12:41.04 | Patlabor221 | sweet minkey jesus it work |
| 12:41.28 | Patlabor221 | your common.dsp no longer refrences AList |
| 12:42.12 | Patlabor221 | that is rather slick |
| 12:45.12 | captain_proton | whoop |
| 12:46.21 | Patlabor221 | clean up net |
| 12:46.57 | captain_proton | i think first i'll get rid of boolean |
| 12:46.58 | scanline | bzflag must be quite sophisticated to use DSPs :) |
| 12:46.59 | Patlabor221 | or make all the files CPP |
| 12:47.26 | home | ...and bye... |
| 12:47.58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: heh |
| 12:48.16 | Patlabor221 | I will see what your 26 warnings are |
| 12:48.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh I know what tehy are |
| 12:49.14 | captain_proton | what are they? |
| 12:50.17 | Patlabor221 | the lame ass STL error that VC gives up |
| 12:50.25 | captain_proton | scanline: i bet you wish you could use dsps in picogui! |
| 12:50.52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: we ought to make it all .cpp ;) |
| 12:51.08 | Patlabor221 | helps me out if youdo |
| 12:51.19 | scanline | captain_proton: ridgerun was working on some DSP stuff with picogui on the TI OMAP chips :) |
| 12:51.21 | Patlabor221 | is there any reason not to? |
| 12:51.55 | captain_proton | scanline: wrong DSP ;) |
| 12:52.03 | scanline | captain_proton: yep |
| 12:52.20 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it'd be just like the CO constitution, we can't take out any outdated stuff for historical reasons |
| 12:52.31 | captain_proton | at least thats the counter-argument for the referendum |
| 12:54.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah but that's silly |
| 12:54.30 | Patlabor221 | I can see if it affects features |
| 12:54.52 | Patlabor221 | but hell used CVS and make a "code archive" |
| 12:54.54 | captain_proton | we really ought to redo the build system on 'nix anyway to better differentiate between compilers |
| 12:55.59 | captain_proton | scanline: please do :P |
| 12:56.15 | scanline | ooh look, now it's libtoolarific! |
| 12:56.42 | Patlabor221 | you libified? |
| 12:56.56 | scanline | automake doesn't really play nice with windows though, unless you have cygwin |
| 12:57.25 | Patlabor221 | we'll just have to keep the DSP's and solns updated |
| 12:57.36 | captain_proton | yeah, dsps work decently on windows |
| 12:58.02 | Patlabor221 | I will make a set of vc7 .vcprg and .soln's for it as well |
| 12:59.29 | Patlabor221 | will commit add files automaticly as well? |
| 13:00.20 | captain_proton | you need to do a svn add |
| 13:00.23 | captain_proton | then commit |
| 13:01.26 | Patlabor221 | down to 4 warnings |
| 13:03.10 | Terminator | hi all |
| 13:03.23 | Terminator | ibot bot |
| 13:03.23 | | [bot] ljp |
| 13:04.04 | Terminator | ibot x it en caio |
| 13:04.13 | Terminator | nope i spelt it worng |
| 13:04.24 | Terminator | least i know the speeling now |
| 13:04.29 | Terminator | letme check |
| 13:04.45 | Terminator | ibot x it en ciao |
| 13:05.00 | Terminator | yups |
| 13:05.17 | Terminator | ibot u should know it is hello and goodbye though |
| 13:05.17 | | Terminator: what are you talking about? |
| 13:05.21 | Terminator | :-) |
| 13:05.46 | Patlabor221 | cap what will happen if I commit someting that you also just commited |
| 13:05.47 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 13:06.07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: do an svn up first, should merge the changes |
| 13:07.34 | Patlabor221 | ohh my it did not like that |
| 13:07.53 | captain_proton | ? |
| 13:07.53 | Patlabor221 | #ifdef WIN32 |
| 13:07.53 | Patlabor221 | #pragma warning( disable : 4786 ) // Disable warning message |
| 13:07.53 | Patlabor221 | #endif |
| 13:08.08 | Patlabor221 | noo not that |
| 13:08.10 | Patlabor221 | this |
| 13:08.10 | Patlabor221 | D:\CVS\bzflag>svn up |
| 13:08.10 | Patlabor221 | svn: Problem running log |
| 13:08.10 | Patlabor221 | svn: in directory ./src/bzflag |
| 13:08.10 | Patlabor221 | svn: start_handler: error processing command 'merge' in ./src/bzflag |
| 13:08.11 | Patlabor221 | svn: Error calling external program |
| 13:08.13 | Patlabor221 | svn: svn_wc_merge() returned an unexpected error |
| 13:08.15 | Patlabor221 | svn: svn_io_run_diff3: Error running c:\progra~1\cygnus\cygwin\bin\diff3.exe: e |
| 13:08.17 | Patlabor221 | xitcode was 2, args were: |
| 13:08.19 | Patlabor221 | in directory ., basenames: |
| 13:08.21 | Patlabor221 | ./src/bzflag/HUDui.cxx.62708.00001.tmp |
| 13:08.23 | Patlabor221 | ./src/bzflag/HUDui.cxx.62708.00001.tmp.62624.00001.tmp |
| 13:08.25 | Patlabor221 | ./src/bzflag/HUDui.cxx.62708.00001.tmp.62628.00001.tmp |
| 13:08.26 | doughecka | hm |
| 13:08.32 | Patlabor221 | like it wants a merge app |
| 13:09.22 | doughecka | new world uploading |
| 13:09.45 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hmm, you might need cygwin installed in that path :P |
| 13:09.57 | doughecka | check out Kruglehammer! |
| 13:11.13 | Patlabor221 | if I just commit do I blow out your changes? |
| 13:11.13 | captain_proton | yeah :P |
| 13:11.13 | Patlabor221 | ohh that sucks |
| 13:11.13 | Patlabor221 | it should know not to do that |
| 13:11.48 | captain_proton | well, it might |
| 13:11.50 | captain_proton | i'm not sure |
| 13:12.22 | captain_proton | the server might be smart enough to merge |
| 13:13.14 | Patlabor221 | here goes then |
| 13:13.27 | captain_proton | yeah, i can always rollback the commit |
| 13:14.44 | Patlabor221 | D:\CVS\bzflag>svn commit |
| 13:14.45 | Patlabor221 | svn: Attempted to lock an already-locked dir |
| 13:14.45 | Patlabor221 | svn: working copy locked: D:/CVS/bzflag/src/bzflag |
| 13:15.02 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 13:15.05 | Patlabor221 | I must get food |
| 13:16.15 | doughecka | ooh, bzedit crashed |
| 13:16.31 | doughecka | odd, it just disaperes |
| 13:16.33 | doughecka | no error |
| 13:16.35 | doughecka | no nothing |
| 13:16.38 | doughecka | just dies |
| 13:19.05 | Terminator | *yawns |
| 13:19.26 | doughecka | where is the bzfs manual? |
| 13:19.32 | doughecka | its missing from bzflag.org |
| 13:19.53 | Terminator | ask tim when he next join #bzflag |
| 13:20.04 | captain_proton | gerbil! |
| 13:20.11 | doughecka | HEY gerbil!!!! |
| 13:20.21 | gerbil | hi guys |
| 13:20.31 | gerbil | i gots a dumb question |
| 13:20.39 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hmm, looks like you'll have to install cygwin to get the diff3 stuff |
| 13:20.42 | doughecka | captain_proton: whats the command line to start a CTF game? |
| 13:20.49 | doughecka | gerbil: eh? |
| 13:21.15 | gerbil | Is ther a way in Windows to freeze a program's error message that flashes as a DOS popup? |
| 13:21.24 | captain_proton | doughecka: -c |
| 13:21.25 | gerbil | like a hotkey or something? |
| 13:21.30 | sussudio | printscreen |
| 13:21.32 | doughecka | gerbil: thats what I was gettting just 2 seconds ago |
| 13:21.34 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:21.39 | sussudio | then paste it into a picture viewer or something. |
| 13:21.45 | doughecka | but you need to run it in a command line |
| 13:21.53 | gerbil | lol--this ggoes really really fast |
| 13:22.04 | gerbil | nno time to catch |
| 13:22.16 | doughecka | gerbil: just open a command line, then move to your dir where the DOS program is, and run it |
| 13:22.31 | doughecka | you should be able to scroll up and see what it is |
| 13:22.36 | gerbil | its a windows program but the error genertaes a dos popup |
| 13:22.44 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:22.48 | gerbil | which vanishes instantly |
| 13:22.53 | doughecka | hrm |
| 13:22.56 | gerbil | yeah |
| 13:22.59 | doughecka | well |
| 13:23.03 | doughecka | it might do it anyway... |
| 13:23.05 | gerbil | that's what i said...hrrm |
| 13:23.12 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 13:23.12 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:23.13 | doughecka | you could try |
| 13:23.14 | bzbot | Patt O. WC (G): -7 (25-32). lok (G): -2 (1-3). |
| 13:23.27 | doughecka | but I bet it dont work... |
| 13:23.43 | gerbil | So what are you guys discussing jhere? |
| 13:23.43 | Terminator | ibot jzaun |
| 13:23.43 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 13:23.46 | bzbot | Wulf (r): 0 (0-0). |
| 13:23.51 | doughecka | gerbil: I made a new map |
| 13:23.59 | gerbil | i heard i think |
| 13:24.02 | doughecka | gerbil: I also made a gerbil type map |
| 13:24.06 | gerbil | which?hehe |
| 13:24.07 | doughecka | with 7000 blocks |
| 13:24.14 | gerbil | yikes |
| 13:24.16 | doughecka | um, I uploaded it a few min ago |
| 13:24.28 | gerbil | FRank told me once tolimit worlds to 5000 objects |
| 13:24.35 | doughecka | called Kruglehammer |
| 13:24.40 | gerbil | it works? |
| 13:24.43 | doughecka | no |
| 13:24.48 | gerbil | lol |
| 13:24.48 | doughecka | the limit is 1000 |
| 13:24.56 | gerbil | i di not know that |
| 13:25.01 | doughecka | check it out on stats.bzflag.org |
| 13:25.04 | doughecka | my new map |
| 13:25.04 | gerbil | ok |
| 13:25.13 | doughecka | also the alphabet map has 500 blocks in it |
| 13:25.22 | gerbil | Anyone develpoer like (David) hear my suggestion for a TOS command? |
| 13:25.27 | doughecka | but my newest map is a plain one |
| 13:25.28 | doughecka | TOS? |
| 13:25.35 | gerbil | Terms Of Server |
| 13:25.39 | captain_proton | gerbil: i heard, its not a big priority right now |
| 13:25.50 | captain_proton | but servers should be able to specify a motd that displays in the server list |
| 13:25.52 | gerbil | would show u designated text file when entered as /TOS |
| 13:26.03 | gerbil | NOT A PRIORITY!!!??? |
| 13:26.09 | gerbil | aack |
| 13:26.11 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:26.16 | gerbil | say it aint so |
| 13:26.19 | doughecka | (i.e. too lazy) |
| 13:26.34 | gerbil | i thought u guys could make that in 30 seconds |
| 13:26.40 | doughecka | I cant |
| 13:26.47 | gerbil | so much for the $5000 prize I was gonna give |
| 13:26.54 | gerbil | oh well |
| 13:27.01 | doughecka | I am the feature genorator, all I do is supplie ideas that dont appear |
| 13:27.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:27.09 | gerbil | lol |
| 13:27.27 | doughecka | how do I start a CTF server? |
| 13:27.27 | gerbil | sowhen does 1.8 come? |
| 13:27.30 | doughecka | ~CT |
| 13:27.30 | | doughecka: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:27.34 | doughecka | ~CTF |
| 13:27.34 | | doughecka: i don't know |
| 13:27.35 | gerbil | sorry |
| 13:27.37 | doughecka | gerbil: it dont |
| 13:27.42 | gerbil | goon |
| 13:27.50 | gerbil | it doesnt? |
| 13:27.52 | gerbil | it doesnt? |
| 13:27.54 | doughecka | gerbil: 1.8 is gone, poof, vamoos |
| 13:28.03 | gerbil | what happend? |
| 13:28.07 | doughecka | they are gonna do something TOTALLY different |
| 13:28.20 | gerbil | ? |
| 13:28.22 | doughecka | see topic |
| 13:28.29 | doughecka | 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (bzflag) | |
| 13:28.45 | Mayhem | hmm, ducati is back up again too |
| 13:28.51 | gerbil | where do i find that? |
| 13:29.11 | doughecka | see? :) |
| 13:29.16 | Mayhem | :) |
| 13:29.30 | doughecka | there, make ibot happy |
| 13:29.31 | gerbil | ok--thanks--ill scurry that way and leave the tech brains alone |
| 13:29.36 | doughecka | gerbil: lol |
| 13:29.40 | gerbil | ice seeing ya'll arcane mysticxal types |
| 13:29.45 | doughecka | yup |
| 13:29.47 | doughecka | you too |
| 13:29.47 | Mayhem | hehe |
| 13:31.55 | gerbil | well--i truge back tolaundry and windows debugging sniff sniff |
| 13:32.03 | gerbil | no fun here |
| 13:32.12 | gerbil | cya'll |
| 13:32.21 | doughecka | cya |
| 13:32.26 | Mayhem | cya |
| 13:32.32 | doughecka | Mayhem: 3 line eg? |
| 13:32.33 | Terminator | cya |
| 13:32.36 | doughecka | whats it fix? |
| 13:33.20 | Mayhem | in playing.cxx : a segfault, a compiler warning, and a redundant network packet :) |
| 13:33.32 | Mayhem | in 3 chunks :) |
| 13:33.34 | doughecka | ah |
| 13:33.46 | Mayhem | but each is about 1 line |
| 13:33.55 | doughecka | hehe |
| 13:34.03 | doughecka | patches welcome |
| 13:34.24 | captain_proton | Mayhem: what segfault? |
| 13:34.35 | Mayhem | I'm just not awake enough to put it into sourceforge |
| 13:34.43 | doughecka | hehe |
| 13:34.54 | Mayhem | captain_proton: pressing F8 while observing on an empty server |
| 13:35.12 | captain_proton | Mayhem: aha |
| 13:35.12 | doughecka | heh |
| 13:35.17 | Mayhem | not sure if it also happens if the person you were observing quits |
| 13:35.20 | captain_proton | and whats the redundant packet? |
| 13:35.36 | Mayhem | simple test != null before using an object |
| 13:35.59 | Mayhem | captain_proton: playerAlive is sent twice :) |
| 13:36.16 | Mayhem | I can send you a diff if you like... |
| 13:36.45 | captain_proton | Mayhem: please post a diff on sourceforge :) |
| 13:37.34 | Mayhem | like I said, I'm not awake enough to do that :) |
| 13:37.57 | captain_proton | well, when you are |
| 13:38.16 | Mayhem | probably post it to the feature request section or something... |
| 13:39.43 | Terminator | g2g |
| 13:39.45 | Terminator | bye |
| 14:42.35 | BZFlag | ibot: wb |
| 14:42.35 | | thx|<reply>It's great to be back! |
| 14:42.45 | BZFlag | ibot bzflist |
| 14:43.35 | BZFlag | ibot no, wb is thx||<reply>It's great to be back! |
| 14:43.35 | | BZFlag: okay |
| 14:43.43 | BZFlag | ibot: wb |
| 14:43.43 | | It's great to be back! |
| 14:45.29 | SpacemanSpiff | I was asked the other day, and I'm still wondering... when's a good guess as to when v 1.8 will be released?? |
| 14:45.53 | captain_proton | 1.8 has been brutally murdered |
| 14:46.05 | SpacemanSpiff | Huh? |
| 14:46.09 | Patlabor221 | kneecaped |
| 14:46.18 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm lost |
| 14:46.58 | captain_proton | ^ look at topic |
| 14:47.23 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: still updating svn? |
| 14:47.35 | Patlabor221 | I have current version |
| 14:47.41 | Patlabor221 | I am investigating |
| 14:47.49 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 14:49.25 | Patlabor221 | I ran diff3 manuyaly and it goes |
| 14:49.31 | Patlabor221 | it seems to be puking on the merge |
| 14:49.44 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... so, does that mean 1.8 will never be released? |
| 14:49.51 | Patlabor221 | but I can't see what option it's sending to diff3 to make it work |
| 14:50.15 | Patlabor221 | spif: it means that 1.7 based thigns weill be released |
| 14:50.38 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie.. that's kinda what I thought... but sometimes I just don't understand this stuff |
| 14:50.40 | SpacemanSpiff | Hehe |
| 14:50.55 | Cell | hi |
| 14:51.02 | SpacemanSpiff | Will there still be something to keep posers out? |
| 14:51.11 | Patlabor221 | posers? |
| 14:51.13 | captain_proton | depends if anyone writes it |
| 14:51.21 | SpacemanSpiff | People who impersonate you |
| 14:51.36 | Patlabor221 | ohh centeral account manangment |
| 14:51.48 | Patlabor221 | that would be sizeable task |
| 14:52.01 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie... dumb question..... if I should want to get in on ANY of the BZ programming, where and what should I start learning? |
| 14:52.02 | captain_proton | it could happen |
| 14:52.12 | Patlabor221 | yes it could |
| 14:52.14 | Cell | Patlabor221: do u know if its possible to draw a trianlge with glFillMode(GL_Line) and to draw each edge in a seperate and different constant color? |
| 14:52.18 | captain_proton | its just a question of someone or a group of people choosing to do it |
| 14:52.19 | Patlabor221 | do you know C and C++ |
| 14:52.27 | sussudio | hmm keep posers out....... you mean auto-kick of BuBu and Dervish? |
| 14:52.32 | SpacemanSpiff | Nope... where do I learn? |
| 14:52.56 | Patlabor221 | cell: no, it would blend the verts. |
| 14:52.56 | SpacemanSpiff | What's wrong with BuBu and Dervish? |
| 14:53.02 | sussudio | they're posers~! |
| 14:53.15 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm confused.... they're not impersonating anyone |
| 14:53.24 | captain_proton | sussudio: heh |
| 14:53.37 | Cell | Patlabor221:even if u use glShadeModel(GL_FLAT) ? |
| 14:53.50 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: #svn :P |
| 14:55.05 | Patlabor221 | cell: I don't know, just call the lines man. |
| 14:55.09 | sussudio | spiff, look up poser in the dictionary....... |
| 14:55.14 | sussudio | then look up impersonator |
| 14:55.37 | SpacemanSpiff | Arrgh... I don't care about the dictionary... that's just what people call an "impersonator" |
| 14:55.53 | sussudio | umm no it's just you who does that |
| 14:56.12 | Cell | k,t hanks anyway |
| 14:56.29 | SpacemanSpiff | That kinda depends on who you're talkin' to... I learned it from other "computer people" |
| 14:56.37 | SpacemanSpiff | It's not my fault if my info is bad |
| 14:56.40 | SpacemanSpiff | Blame them :P |
| 14:57.12 | Patlabor221 | cell: why not just call GLLINES? |
| 14:57.26 | SpacemanSpiff | Funny funny... I was referring to people on communities, chat boards, etc. :P |
| 14:57.36 | SpacemanSpiff | So, what's your prob. with Dervish? |
| 14:57.52 | sussudio | he's an arrogant dork? |
| 14:58.08 | SpacemanSpiff | And BuBu? |
| 14:58.23 | sussudio | he just annoys me |
| 14:58.57 | SpacemanSpiff | Well, we didn't get along when I first played.. but he turned out to be pretty nice |
| 14:59.10 | sussudio | btw i wonder how many people who play on moongroup actually know what iptables means........ |
| 14:59.11 | SpacemanSpiff | As for Dervish, he's a good guy... but I wouldn't suggest getting him mad |
| 14:59.19 | captain_proton | why not? |
| 14:59.29 | SpacemanSpiff | I don't usually play there.... it lag kicks me |
| 14:59.45 | sussudio | yeah you're a lagger |
| 14:59.49 | SpacemanSpiff | 'Cause he'll get really mad... or so I've heard.. and it's rude to make people mad unnecessarily |
| 15:00.07 | SpacemanSpiff | *clears his throat* Not my fault sussudio.. blame my parents for the connection speed |
| 15:00.12 | captain_proton | so you're saying he's a hothead with admin? |
| 15:00.23 | sussudio | change your mtu spiff...... |
| 15:00.37 | sussudio | captain_proton: i think that covers it |
| 15:00.55 | SpacemanSpiff | mtu? |
| 15:01.03 | sussudio | maximum transferrable unit |
| 15:01.08 | sussudio | it's a setting in your tcp/ip |
| 15:01.19 | captain_proton | mobile telemetric udder |
| 15:01.22 | sussudio | it dramatically lowered my lag on moongroup |
| 15:01.22 | SpacemanSpiff | Nope... not at all... I'm saying that Dervish is a nice guy, but just like any other HUMAN he will get mad if people treat him bad |
| 15:01.52 | sussudio | treat him bad..... like shooting him |
| 15:02.03 | SpacemanSpiff | Eventually I want to get DSL... but I don't know when that will happen |
| 15:02.17 | captain_proton | job = money |
| 15:02.25 | captain_proton | money = internet |
| 15:02.29 | SpacemanSpiff | Nah... I've played with Dervish a lot... he doesn't mind getting killed |
| 15:02.33 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL Proton |
| 15:02.51 | sussudio | are you on aol spiff |
| 15:02.53 | Cell | would u buy a laptop today or wait till next year? |
| 15:02.55 | SpacemanSpiff | I have a job... but I don't feel like paying $50 for internet service! |
| 15:03.00 | SpacemanSpiff | Nope |
| 15:03.10 | Patlabor221 | actualy it's true, when you stiop blaming your parents for stuff, you get thigns done |
| 15:03.21 | sussudio | i bet there's a bunch of trojans running in the background on your pc, hogging bandwith |
| 15:03.36 | sussudio | do a search for 'adaware' and run it |
| 15:04.07 | sussudio | there's no reason you cant play on a 56k modem........ |
| 15:04.18 | SpacemanSpiff | A search.. like on Alta Vista? |
| 15:04.28 | sussudio | altavista still lives? |
| 15:04.35 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: if worst comes to worst, you could just force-update your HUDui.cxx and redo your changes :P |
| 15:04.46 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL... yeah... it's always been my homepage |
| 15:04.53 | Patlabor221 | d: |
| 15:05.00 | SpacemanSpiff | Adaware you say? |
| 15:05.00 | Patlabor221 | opps :) |
| 15:05.00 | captain_proton | damn boy |
| 15:05.02 | captain_proton | use google |
| 15:05.28 | sussudio | http://www.majorgeeks.com/getfile.php?file=506&site=1&PHPSESSID=3d31d82b181860718475a6bda542531f |
| 15:06.18 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmm.. that just took me to majorgeeks.com |
| 15:06.22 | SpacemanSpiff | Where do I go from there? |
| 15:06.33 | sussudio | holy fucking popups batman |
| 15:06.46 | sussudio | "download file" |
| 15:06.48 | sussudio | somewhere |
| 15:06.55 | sussudio | it'll ask if you want to save aaw.exe |
| 15:08.52 | captain_proton | time to watch a coding-conducive movie |
| 15:09.21 | sussudio | debbie does gcc? |
| 15:09.38 | captain_proton | nah, just some random thing i've seen a million times |
| 15:10.15 | sussudio | pure genius? |
| 15:13.37 | Patlabor221 | real genius!!!! |
| 15:13.37 | captain_proton | hmm, i bet debbie does gcc would be a popular movie among the users of this server |
| 15:13.37 | sussudio | something like that |
| 15:13.37 | sussudio | with the laser |
| 15:13.37 | Patlabor221 | yes with the lazer |
| 15:13.37 | SpacemanSpiff | Gee... small file |
| 15:13.37 | sussudio | 855k is small? |
| 15:13.37 | SpacemanSpiff | It says 871k here |
| 15:13.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah that is small |
| 15:13.37 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 15:13.37 | sussudio | maybe a newer version |
| 15:13.37 | sussudio | there's a difference between 'small' and 'non-bloated' |
| 15:13.37 | Patlabor221 | he's proalby looking at size on disk, not actual size |
| 15:13.37 | SpacemanSpiff | Hehe... that's true |
| 15:13.37 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm looking at the download size |
| 15:13.37 | sussudio | most of the packages on debian are less than 100k |
| 15:13.38 | SpacemanSpiff | It's taking me like a minute to download.. hehe |
| 15:13.52 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay. now that it's installed, I just run it? |
| 15:14.44 | sussudio | well, that's the idea |
| 15:15.00 | SpacemanSpiff | What about all of these files it's finding? Do I just hit "continue"? |
| 15:15.15 | SpacemanSpiff | That is... how do I know which ones to select |
| 15:15.31 | sussudio | it's finding things like radeate, gator, etc? |
| 15:16.10 | sussudio | do you have kazaa installed? |
| 15:16.17 | SpacemanSpiff | SaveNow, Aureate, NetworkEssentials |
| 15:16.22 | SpacemanSpiff | I used to.. why do you ask? |
| 15:16.32 | sussudio | kazaa installed like 8 trojans |
| 15:16.41 | sussudio | and does NOT remove them after you uninstall kazaa........ |
| 15:16.43 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh... that's pry it then |
| 15:17.00 | SpacemanSpiff | Well.. come to think of it.. it is on my hard drive.. haven't used it in ages though |
| 15:17.01 | sussudio | all this shit is hogging your bandwith and sending your cookies to bad people |
| 15:17.21 | sussudio | just uninstall it..... get kazaalite if you really cant do without kazaa |
| 15:17.22 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh great *sarcasm* |
| 15:17.31 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL... I don't use it |
| 15:17.41 | SpacemanSpiff | Someone just said that I should try it out |
| 15:18.00 | sussudio | well get rid of it...... and all the crap it left behind |
| 15:18.04 | sussudio | then try bzflag again |
| 15:18.20 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay, so, should I select all of these files that Adaware is finding? |
| 15:18.27 | sussudio | yup |
| 15:18.48 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh.. and should I run "Quick Scan" or "Deep Scan"? |
| 15:18.55 | sussudio | go for the deep one |
| 15:18.59 | sussudio | it doesnt last very long |
| 15:19.09 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie |
| 15:20.34 | SpacemanSpiff | Cleaning finished |
| 15:20.40 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie... I'll try BZ now |
| 15:20.43 | sussudio | k |
| 15:21.35 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmmm... only two servers showing up on the server list |
| 15:21.51 | Patlabor221 | the list server moves |
| 15:21.53 | sussudio | yeah same here. |
| 15:21.57 | Patlabor221 | moved |
| 15:22.11 | sussudio | the servers are still there. |
| 15:22.18 | sussudio | jzaun.com:5155 |
| 15:22.23 | sussudio | jzaun.com:5255 |
| 15:22.25 | SpacemanSpiff | Yep... I'm on that one |
| 15:22.27 | SpacemanSpiff | 5155 |
| 15:22.29 | sussudio | turkey.moongroup.com:7500 |
| 15:22.38 | SpacemanSpiff | For some reason, I can't get on jzaun.com 5255 |
| 15:23.22 | SpacemanSpiff | It always makes BZ lock up on my pc |
| 15:24.02 | sussudio | hm probably a bad map |
| 15:24.33 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmmmmm.... I'm still running from 300 to 500ms on turkey.moongroup |
| 15:25.11 | sussudio | do you have any other things loaded |
| 15:25.57 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh crud... forgot.. messengers are on! LoL |
| 15:26.00 | Cell | BUU |
| 15:26.43 | Cell | bed time |
| 15:27.02 | sussudio | moongroup is kinda busy right now |
| 15:27.14 | SpacemanSpiff | Runnin' around 430ms consistently now |
| 15:27.20 | SpacemanSpiff | That might be part of it :-) |
| 15:27.28 | sussudio | it's worse when people with 1.7e4 are on |
| 15:28.08 | SpacemanSpiff | How do I find out which version I have???? I can't remember what I downloaded for the life of me |
| 15:29.06 | sussudio | it says so when you start up |
| 15:29.06 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh... on the little chat screen, right? |
| 15:29.22 | sussudio | when you start then client up..... it'll say 1.7e6 on the black screen |
| 15:29.53 | SpacemanSpiff | When I start it on my pc? Or when I connect to a server? |
| 15:30.16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: are you at home? |
| 15:30.22 | sussudio | no, when you start up the client.................... |
| 15:30.37 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie... will look |
| 15:30.58 | sussudio | where it says Join Game, Options...... first screen |
| 15:31.10 | sussudio | loading missile... |
| 15:31.13 | sussudio | loading title...... |
| 15:31.21 | sussudio | BZFlag version |
| 15:32.20 | SpacemanSpiff | 1.7e6 |
| 15:32.30 | sussudio | k |
| 15:32.43 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh wow |
| 15:32.54 | SpacemanSpiff | I just scanned my C: and D: drives.. and got a LOT of program files |
| 15:33.20 | sussudio | yeah there's usually about 200 trojans and other assorted crap installed |
| 15:34.00 | SpacemanSpiff | There were like 5 files that it said it couldn't delete and that I should try turning internet explorer off and retrying |
| 15:34.29 | sussudio | IE in the background slows your pc down too |
| 15:34.46 | sussudio | gives you hiccups in bzflag |
| 15:36.22 | SpacemanSpiff | Ahhh... didn't know that |
| 15:36.31 | SpacemanSpiff | I have to run it to run this IRC chat :S |
| 15:36.47 | Patlabor221 | get another PC |
| 15:36.55 | sussudio | mIRC behaves better |
| 15:37.12 | sussudio | also, defrag your harddisk more than once every 3 years |
| 15:37.16 | SpacemanSpiff | Funny Patlabor :P |
| 15:37.24 | Patlabor221 | I was not joking |
| 15:37.25 | SpacemanSpiff | I just defragged last week |
| 15:37.49 | SpacemanSpiff | My pc is a good pc.... maybe not THE fastest... but it's fast, and really nice |
| 15:37.59 | Patlabor221 | I didn't say replace it |
| 15:38.05 | Patlabor221 | I mean to have 2 |
| 15:39.09 | sussudio | i need at least 4 |
| 15:39.25 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh... I get ya now.... I have two actually... the old one is soooooooooooo slow though |
| 15:39.33 | sussudio | 1 for masq router |
| 15:39.44 | SpacemanSpiff | I think it's a Compaq Presario 586 if I'm not mistaken |
| 15:39.44 | Patlabor221 | run IRC on it |
| 15:39.46 | sussudio | 1 for debian mirror and eggdrop |
| 15:39.58 | sussudio | 1 to run legacy dos stuff under win95 and callerid monitor |
| 15:40.00 | sussudio | and this one |
| 15:40.02 | SpacemanSpiff | Don't I need a secondary internet connection for that? |
| 15:40.16 | Patlabor221 | there are many ways |
| 15:40.20 | sussudio | mine all run on 1 connection |
| 15:41.01 | Patlabor221 | as do mine |
| 15:41.12 | SpacemanSpiff | But you're not on 56k, are you? |
| 15:41.35 | Patlabor221 | friend of mine runs 3 machines off one dialup |
| 15:41.43 | SpacemanSpiff | WoW.... |
| 15:41.44 | Patlabor221 | and plays EQ on them all at the same time |
| 15:41.47 | Patlabor221 | runs fine |
| 15:41.51 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmm... cool |
| 15:42.02 | Patlabor221 | tho often it's just 2 eq and one for IM and stuff |
| 15:42.16 | SpacemanSpiff | Out of curiosity... if I hooked my two pc's up, could I play a one-on-one BZ game between them?? |
| 15:42.25 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 15:42.28 | sussudio | yes, if you run a server on 1 |
| 15:42.40 | SpacemanSpiff | What would I need to do?? Get a network card for the old one? |
| 15:42.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:43.04 | sussudio | i need a wider angle cam |
| 15:43.05 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 15:43.42 | SpacemanSpiff | I need a cam |
| 15:43.46 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 15:43.49 | sussudio | get a network card..... get a crossover cable. |
| 15:44.01 | Patlabor221 | hey my house is still there |
| 15:44.04 | sussudio | or a hub/switch |
| 15:44.07 | Patlabor221 | or a hub |
| 15:44.39 | sussudio | a hub basically does crossover on all the ports |
| 15:44.41 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmm... I'll think about that... must get a new monitor first though |
| 15:46.31 | sussudio | i got a 8 port switch for 55 euro...... you can get one for about 35 now |
| 15:49.40 | SpacemanSpiff | Well... I am off for a few.. going to test BZ out now |
| 15:49.43 | SpacemanSpiff | Hehe |
| 15:49.49 | SpacemanSpiff | Thanks for the help sussudio |
| 15:49.54 | SpacemanSpiff | ;-) |
| 15:49.59 | SpacemanSpiff | God bless... c-ya |
| 15:50.09 | sussudio | cu |
| 15:50.28 | sussudio | poor clueless windoze users |
| 15:52.08 | sussudio | holy crap |
| 15:52.11 | sussudio | 22 users on jzaun |
| 15:52.31 | doughecka | is crap holy? |
| 15:52.45 | BZFlag | ibot: bzfquery jzaun.com |
| 15:53.06 | sussudio | yes |
| 15:53.10 | sussudio | all poop is sacred |
| 15:53.35 | lurgyman | ibot poop |
| 15:53.36 | | bugger all, i dunno, lurgyman |
| 15:53.38 | doughecka | I see |
| 15:53.41 | doughecka | ~pee |
| 15:53.41 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, doughecka |
| 15:53.45 | sussudio | it probably segfaulted because of the user overload |
| 15:53.48 | lurgyman | ibot: glad we got that straightened out |
| 15:53.48 | | wish i knew, lurgyman |
| 15:53.48 | Patlabor221 | bad cap. forcing ints into bools |
| 15:54.02 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ? |
| 15:54.12 | lurgyman | ibot: grf |
| 15:54.12 | | lurgyman: i haven't a clue |
| 15:54.22 | Patlabor221 | couple places where you are seting bool's = to ints |
| 15:54.39 | Patlabor221 | I get a "performance" warning |
| 15:55.07 | captain_proton | then thats where it was setting a boolean = int |
| 15:55.19 | captain_proton | so you got your sources updated? |
| 15:55.24 | Patlabor221 | bool SceneRenderer::useEnhancedRadar() const{ return useEnhancedRadarOn == 1;} |
| 15:55.29 | Patlabor221 | I thinks so |
| 15:55.36 | Patlabor221 | I added the ==1 |
| 15:55.51 | Patlabor221 | I am re applying my changes |
| 15:55.59 | Patlabor221 | then I sall try to commit again |
| 16:01.49 | Patlabor221 | hey cap can you change my login name? |
| 16:02.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: sure |
| 16:02.25 | Patlabor221 | take out the numbers |
| 16:02.32 | Patlabor221 | well that just worked |
| 16:02.39 | Patlabor221 | I updated and commited more changes. |
| 16:02.45 | Patlabor221 | it's realy rather easy |
| 16:02.49 | captain_proton | done |
| 16:02.56 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 16:03.33 | Patlabor221 | how does subversion compare in cabalilities to CVS? |
| 16:05.31 | captain_proton | right now the only missing feature is 'cvs annotate' (which will be svn blame) |
| 16:05.41 | Patlabor221 | blame? |
| 16:05.46 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:05.57 | Patlabor221 | just adds a comment or someting? |
| 16:06.05 | captain_proton | sorta yeah |
| 16:06.21 | Patlabor221 | well it's a hell of a lot easyer to set up then CVS |
| 16:06.26 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:06.38 | Patlabor221 | my problem was that I moved some stuff |
| 16:06.41 | captain_proton | plus post-1 they'll add versioning of symlinks (shortcuts) |
| 16:06.44 | captain_proton | moved some stuff? |
| 16:06.53 | Patlabor221 | the EXEs |
| 16:06.59 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 16:07.11 | Patlabor221 | and I had a horked source tree |
| 16:07.19 | Patlabor221 | I had canceled it part way through someting |
| 16:07.34 | captain_proton | if you need to move a versioned resource, use svn move |
| 16:07.54 | Patlabor221 | no I moved the app commonents to a difrent folder |
| 16:08.04 | Patlabor221 | that's why I couldn't find stuff |
| 16:08.51 | Patlabor221 | seems a bunch of stuff on the windows install is hardcoded. |
| 16:09.06 | captain_proton | a bunch of stuff everywhere is hardcoded |
| 16:09.28 | Patlabor221 | well seems to work |
| 16:09.36 | Patlabor221 | bzflag builds without warnings now |
| 16:19.37 | Patlabor221 | let me check the other projects |
| 16:19.58 | Patlabor221 | cap: what is |
| 16:19.58 | Patlabor221 | "#include <unistd.h> |
| 16:20.44 | captain_proton | unix standard header |
| 16:21.07 | Patlabor221 | is it normal for bzfsrelay to not build on windows? |
| 16:21.15 | captain_proton | shouldn't be... |
| 16:21.28 | Patlabor221 | it's got all kinds of stuff that it cna't find |
| 16:23.41 | Patlabor221 | I don't see how it can build, it dosn't even include winsoc |
| 16:23.51 | captain_proton | must have never been ported |
| 16:24.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah dosn't look like it |
| 16:24.07 | Patlabor221 | should I pull it from the DSW? |
| 16:24.22 | captain_proton | probably |
| 16:26.34 | doughecka | lean green machine? |
| 16:26.56 | greenmachine | How do I get back on a server I was kicked off of... I was accused of being a team killer, nad I was only shooting back... |
| 16:27.20 | captain_proton | if you were just kicked, you can join the server again |
| 16:27.23 | sussudio | greenmachine: turkey.moongroup? |
| 16:27.25 | captain_proton | if you were banned, you can't get back on |
| 16:27.40 | greenmachine | Yes, Turkey.moongroup... |
| 16:27.44 | jolly | wow |
| 16:27.45 | greenmachine | I can't get back on... |
| 16:27.47 | sussudio | dervish must be awake |
| 16:27.51 | jolly | who kicked you? |
| 16:28.10 | greenmachine | der or dur something... |
| 16:28.13 | sussudio | who else? |
| 16:28.38 | captain_proton | yep its dervish |
| 16:28.39 | greenmachine | I've never been a team killer ! |
| 16:28.47 | jolly | hmmmm |
| 16:28.47 | captain_proton | greenmachine: what name were you playing under? |
| 16:28.51 | greenmachine | I almost always play green ! |
| 16:28.58 | greenmachine | Green Machine |
| 16:28.59 | jolly | might check this out! |
| 16:29.41 | greenmachine | Please ! |
| 16:29.49 | greenmachine | That was an awesome course ! |
| 16:29.55 | jolly | i don't see it on the list now |
| 16:30.00 | greenmachine | Ver well designed ! |
| 16:30.44 | greenmachine | "i don't see it on the list now" means what ? |
| 16:32.26 | greenmachine | Hello ? |
| 16:32.43 | sussudio | hello? |
| 16:32.50 | doughecka | its gone |
| 16:32.55 | sussudio | what is |
| 16:33.03 | doughecka | I think the server died |
| 16:33.09 | sussudio | aww. |
| 16:33.16 | captain_proton | greenmachine: several people say that you were given a number of chances to stop |
| 16:33.43 | greenmachine | Every time I turned around, jml or whatever his name was shooting me ! |
| 16:34.14 | greenmachine | He told me he was going to keep killing me |
| 16:34.24 | greenmachine | I shot him once by accident. |
| 16:34.33 | greenmachine | I apologized, but got no response... |
| 16:34.51 | greenmachine | let it go, and the next thing I know he was stealthing up on me from high... |
| 16:35.19 | greenmachine | I asked him "wtf" and he said he was killing me back and he was going to keep it up... |
| 16:35.40 | greenmachine | I tried to joke around with him and even asked for a truce, he blew me off... |
| 16:35.51 | doughecka | switch teams? |
| 16:36.01 | greenmachine | and proceeded to shoot me a few more times... I kept shooting back ! |
| 16:36.46 | captain_proton | the thing is some users i respect more than dervish said you were tking - the solution is not shooting back, you should have switched teams |
| 16:36.56 | greenmachine | he shot me way more times than I shot him ! |
| 16:37.12 | greenmachine | but I like green... |
| 16:37.29 | greenmachine | if I swith teams, can i get back on ? |
| 16:37.35 | captain_proton | not likely |
| 16:37.39 | captain_proton | use a different server |
| 16:37.45 | Patlabor221 | cap: is there a "friendly fire" server option? |
| 16:37.54 | greenmachine | who must I appease to get back on that server ? |
| 16:38.01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: nope |
| 16:38.06 | captain_proton | greenmachine: dervish |
| 16:38.08 | Patlabor221 | cap: there should perhas be |
| 16:38.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: patches welcome ;) |
| 16:38.16 | doughecka | Patlabor221: BZFlag made a patch that blows you up if you shoot a teamate |
| 16:38.17 | greenmachine | and how do I do that ? |
| 16:38.25 | doughecka | but it was buggy |
| 16:38.52 | captain_proton | doughecka: its in current cvs |
| 16:38.58 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:39.10 | Patlabor221 | doub: that seems to be the oposet of what I was looking for. sometimes you miss and it hits a teammate, and if the server admin dosnt' care about it then you should be able to turn it off. |
| 16:39.12 | BZFlag | should work now. one.bzflag.org is setup with current cvs. |
| 16:39.26 | Patlabor221 | never punish players, it makes the game not fun |
| 16:39.31 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: turn what off? |
| 16:39.40 | Patlabor221 | killing a team mate |
| 16:39.48 | BZFlag | ie make it so that you can't kill a teammate? |
| 16:39.56 | Patlabor221 | most team games these days have options for that yes |
| 16:40.01 | doughecka | yea |
| 16:40.01 | Patlabor221 | as an option. |
| 16:40.24 | Patlabor221 | some even have teammeates only do a percentace of damage |
| 16:40.31 | Patlabor221 | but that would not be valid for bz |
| 16:40.40 | doughecka | HEH |
| 16:40.41 | BZFlag | hmm. would require client change, not a server change. now it would require both to change and a network bit to say which way you have it. |
| 16:40.42 | doughecka | HMM |
| 16:40.49 | doughecka | CAPS LOCK IS STUCK |
| 16:40.52 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:40.58 | greenmachine | So how can I contact and appease dervish ? |
| 16:41.10 | captain_proton | greenmachine: try posting at bzflag.de or bzflag.sytes.net |
| 16:41.24 | Patlabor221 | bzflag: yes I am taking about when the stuff is moved to the server. |
| 16:41.27 | greenmachine | hack patooey has seen me play ! I was never a team killer him jim... green jeans...too... |
| 16:42.01 | greenmachine | how do I post there ? |
| 16:42.17 | captain_proton | (its not hard, you can figure it out on your own) |
| 16:42.48 | Patlabor221 | seems a good portion of the world has Doug "how do I" disease today. |
| 16:43.18 | doughecka | bwuahaha, its working... my evil plan is working! bwuahaha |
| 16:43.34 | Patlabor221 | to make the world dumb like oyu? |
| 16:44.15 | doughecka | a yup |
| 16:44.15 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you can help "xxxx" figure out how to start a server. |
| 16:44.15 | Patlabor221 | baka to baka |
| 16:44.42 | doughecka | get me a SSH connecting anf I will |
| 16:45.30 | xxxx | i know what folder it is in |
| 16:45.30 | Patlabor221 | he's on windows you twit |
| 16:45.30 | captain_proton | ssh connecting anf? |
| 16:45.30 | doughecka | and* |
| 16:45.30 | Widget | Gah. |
| 16:45.30 | greenmachine | "<captain_proton> the thing is some users i respect more than dervish said you were tking - the solution is not shooting back, you should have switched teams" Who did you talk to ? Maybe I can talk to them ? |
| 16:45.30 | doughecka | so? there is no SSH server for windows? |
| 16:45.30 | Patlabor221 | bzflag: do you have any recolection of the relay project not being ported to windows? |
| 16:45.39 | doughecka | whats the relay project? |
| 16:45.41 | captain_proton | greenmachine: those other users can't unban you |
| 16:45.56 | greenmachine | Only dervish can unban me ? |
| 16:45.58 | Patlabor221 | doug, if he can't run bz server from the command line, you expect him to set up SSH |
| 16:46.06 | doughecka | sure! |
| 16:46.12 | captain_proton | greenmachine: pretty much |
| 16:46.14 | doughecka | I will VNC in and set it up for him |
| 16:46.29 | Patlabor221 | doug: he can't even type in the command line. |
| 16:46.35 | BZFlag | don't recall, nope. |
| 16:47.01 | Patlabor221 | bzflag: cus it seems it never was, it's still got all the 'nix headers and no winsock |
| 16:47.15 | xxxx | when i type in bzfs.exe it says bad command or file name |
| 16:47.32 | greenmachine | bzflag.sytes.net search shows no "dervish" |
| 16:47.36 | Patlabor221 | xxx you have to change to the folder where bz is installed in |
| 16:47.37 | doughecka | 'lo BZFrank! |
| 16:47.54 | doughecka | 'lo hows p2501 going? |
| 16:48.05 | Widget | !!! |
| 16:48.09 | Widget | It's BZFrank! |
| 16:48.44 | xxxx | itis in "C:\Program Files\BZFlag\bzflag.exe" |
| 16:49.28 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: it likely does not handle udp either. |
| 16:49.32 | Patlabor221 | they type cd c:\program files\bzflag\ |
| 16:49.33 | BZFrank | hi |
| 16:49.57 | Patlabor221 | xxx: then hit enter then type the bzfs line |
| 16:49.58 | BZFrank | hi widget, found someone to play chess with you? :) |
| 16:50.00 | xxxx | do i type that or cd c:/program foles/bzflag |
| 16:50.09 | xxxx | files |
| 16:50.10 | BZFrank | hi doug! |
| 16:50.24 | Patlabor221 | xxx: both, the CD is first then the bzfs |
| 16:50.32 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: follow ALL the instructions. |
| 16:50.39 | xxxx | k |
| 16:50.52 | xxxx | up to what |
| 16:50.52 | Widget | BZFrank: Gah. Not yet. |
| 16:50.55 | Widget | BZFrank: Well, not here. |
| 16:50.59 | xxxx | DIR |
| 16:51.03 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: up to the end |
| 16:51.16 | Patlabor221 | the dir was just to see if you were in the right spot |
| 16:51.25 | BZFrank | thought so, well don't give up the hope |
| 16:51.27 | xxxx | when do i type "C:\Program Files\BZFlag\bzflag.exe" |
| 16:51.28 | Patlabor221 | if you way it's there then you don't need to do the sir |
| 16:51.40 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: never |
| 16:52.12 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: or at least not untill you run the server then open another command propmpt |
| 16:52.50 | xxxx | k |
| 16:53.55 | xxxx | when i put the name of the mab do i put " or not |
| 16:54.08 | xxxx | map |
| 16:54.16 | Patlabor221 | after you do the CD part |
| 16:54.23 | captain_proton | /j #BZFlagDev |
| 16:54.40 | Patlabor221 | and when you type bzfs.exe you put -world "name" on the same line as bzfs.exe |
| 16:54.41 | captain_proton | blark |
| 16:54.59 | captain_proton | /j #BZFlagDevel |
| 16:55.22 | Patlabor221 | blark? |
| 16:55.34 | captain_proton | chanserv enforces invite-only on #BZFlagDev |
| 16:55.40 | Patlabor221 | that it does |
| 16:55.44 | xxxx | i did this |
| 16:55.44 | captain_proton | and i just want someplace to get away from all this tech support :P |
| 16:55.57 | xxxx | i typed command |
| 16:56.09 | sussudio | this isnt tech support..... more like tard support |
| 16:56.15 | sussudio | right, xxxx? |
| 16:56.23 | xxxx | typed cd c:lprogram files/bzflag/ |
| 16:56.30 | xxxx | then typed DIR |
| 16:56.39 | Patlabor221 | ok so you didn't do a thing I said |
| 16:56.42 | BZFrank | what is all this Dervish talk about? Can anyone elaborate what IS going on? |
| 16:56.45 | xxxx | the bzfs.exe |
| 16:56.53 | xxxx | then typed |
| 16:57.04 | Patlabor221 | you've allready pooched it man |
| 16:57.07 | Patlabor221 | start over |
| 16:57.08 | captain_proton | BZFrank: a lot of people disagree with his policies |
| 16:57.15 | sussudio | BZFrank: in short, Doorknob has admin on turkey.moongroup and he's abusing it |
| 16:57.19 | Patlabor221 | type cmd in the run dialog |
| 16:57.35 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: then type CD c:\program files\bzflag |
| 16:57.40 | BZFrank | it what way does he abuse its powers? |
| 16:57.41 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: then hit henter |
| 16:57.42 | xxxx | bzfs.exe-world"dll.map.php" |
| 16:57.55 | doughecka | with spaces |
| 16:58.01 | doughecka | BZFrank: so... hows p2501? |
| 16:58.02 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: you don't listen very well do you? |
| 16:58.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 16:58.03 | captain_proton | BZFrank: the thing i most disagree with is him threatening to kick when someone is hunting him |
| 16:58.12 | sussudio | doughecka: of course not. that would make actual sense. |
| 16:58.23 | doughecka | sussudio: oh... |
| 16:58.30 | xxxx | tell me again |
| 16:58.31 | BZFrank | I made him moderator because he seems quite sane at the time and he actually supported the community with the gold community (he paid for no ads) |
| 16:58.32 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: do you want to try it agian? |
| 16:58.37 | sussudio | xxxx is really really dumb or a troll |
| 16:58.48 | xxxx | like your mom |
| 16:58.54 | sussudio | oooh |
| 16:58.57 | BZFrank | that is clearly an abuse of powers |
| 16:59.02 | captain_proton | also what REALLY bothers me is that bamf posted a complaint about dervish kicking his 3-year-old son |
| 16:59.06 | captain_proton | and dervish deleted it |
| 16:59.11 | sussudio | he deletes messages on ezboard if he doesnt like them |
| 16:59.19 | sussudio | he did it with one of mine |
| 16:59.22 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: ok ready? you have to type it exact. the slashes have to be back slashes and where I put a space you put a space |
| 16:59.32 | BZFrank | yep, I heard - CapN also contacted me by email |
| 16:59.37 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: open the run item and put in CMD then hit enter. |
| 16:59.40 | Widget | Gah. |
| 16:59.51 | Widget | Who runs this turkey server anyway? |
| 16:59.59 | sussudio | if it doesnt say "Praise Dervish our lord and saviour" it gets deleted |
| 16:59.59 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: then type cd c:\program files\bzflag\ |
| 17:00.01 | BZFrank | I just wrote an email to him and ask to stop doing so |
| 17:00.09 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: then hit enter |
| 17:00.27 | captain_proton | hopefully this won't happen any more since people are moving to laz's board |
| 17:00.41 | captain_proton | and dervish is very much NOT a moderator there :) |
| 17:00.51 | doughecka | sweet the bztank in POVRAY |
| 17:01.00 | BZFrank | I plan to close the ezboard forum soon (in 15 days) anyway |
| 17:01.26 | BZFrank | they want 30 bucks for another year of no-ads |
| 17:01.48 | BZFrank | I really would pay, but their service is abysmal |
| 17:02.06 | doughecka | indeed |
| 17:02.11 | doughecka | we need a forum on bzflag.org |
| 17:02.18 | doughecka | why isnt one there? |
| 17:02.41 | doughecka | should be.... it would be easy to find (or make) a forum on bzflag.org... |
| 17:02.44 | BZFrank | because tim thought the ones on sourceforge will suffice? (they do not!) |
| 17:02.52 | doughecka | hah |
| 17:03.13 | doughecka | then put one up there! |
| 17:03.36 | BZFrank | I would open one, but wizards.de/this.net is my software distribution host and I do not want any hackers in there |
| 17:04.17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:04.33 | BZFrank | anyway, I think if laz change the stupid HaCkEz lines his will be ok ;) |
| 17:04.33 | doughecka | I would, but I have only 5 megs of space avalible... |
| 17:04.43 | doughecka | but 10 gigs of bandwidth.. :) |
| 17:04.48 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:06.19 | Patlabor221 | I can throw one up on www.artemisgames.com if you want |
| 17:06.24 | Patlabor221 | I have 500 megs |
| 17:06.28 | captain_proton | oof |
| 17:06.35 | captain_proton | lets just let laz do his thing |
| 17:06.36 | Patlabor221 | and suposebly unlimited bw |
| 17:06.38 | doughecka | how much bangwidth? |
| 17:06.41 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:06.43 | captain_proton | we don't need 200 bzflag forums |
| 17:06.49 | BZFrank | yes, I think laz does handle this fine |
| 17:06.51 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 17:06.53 | BZFrank | one is enough |
| 17:07.12 | BZFrank | oma will link to it from www.bzflag.de as soon as the ezboard is gone |
| 17:08.10 | Patlabor221 | ok I try to be patient with people, but that xxxx guy is a flipin moron. |
| 17:08.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:09.20 | BZFrank | a "whats on the screen?" "well, some flowers?"-typ? :) |
| 17:09.21 | Patlabor221 | he swears that he's running Win 2k, then after it dosn't work for the 300th time, he tells me that he's on ME |
| 17:09.40 | doughecka | haha, ME = mellinium = 2000 |
| 17:09.42 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:09.44 | Patlabor221 | no not even that, he would not do what I said, and would like about that he as |
| 17:09.55 | BZFrank | doug: p2501 - I have restarted work ;) |
| 17:10.00 | Patlabor221 | I even asked him, Not ME right? |
| 17:10.00 | doughecka | yay |
| 17:10.21 | BZFrank | couldn't let it lay down, so close to finsh and yet so far away ;) |
| 17:10.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:10.30 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:10.46 | BZFrank | pat: I know, I know - it hurts :) |
| 17:11.02 | Patlabor221 | this is why I don't do tech support anymore |
| 17:11.02 | Widget | BZFrank: Were there 2500 projects before p2501? |
| 17:11.22 | Patlabor221 | and does 2501 realy have thermoptics? |
| 17:11.23 | BZFrank | LOL, of course |
| 17:11.34 | BZFrank | and a built in refrigerator! |
| 17:11.58 | BZFrank | widget: you know the source of the name "project2501" |
| 17:12.01 | Patlabor221 | did you get your 2501 from the same place I got my 2501 from? |
| 17:12.16 | xxxx | what do i do after i type that CD |
| 17:12.19 | xxxx | thing |
| 17:12.21 | Patlabor221 | GITS? |
| 17:12.22 | BZFrank | certainly not, pat ;) |
| 17:12.27 | Widget | BZFrank: No I don't. |
| 17:12.33 | xxxx | thype that |
| 17:12.35 | Patlabor221 | frank: where was yours from? |
| 17:12.42 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: no we weren't talking to you |
| 17:12.53 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: if it worked |
| 17:13.00 | xxxx | what do i type after |
| 17:13.06 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: then type bzfs -world "name" |
| 17:13.13 | BZFrank | widget: project 2501 is the name of an AI project in the manga comic "ghost in the shell" |
| 17:13.14 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you should write this down. |
| 17:13.23 | sussudio | Patlabor221: didnt you already say that about 13 times before? |
| 17:13.25 | Patlabor221 | frank, thats GITS1!!!! |
| 17:13.33 | Patlabor221 | 57.4 times. |
| 17:13.57 | BZFrank | ah, sorry Germans are not accustomed to akronyms ;) |
| 17:14.08 | xxxx | FUCK u TRAMP |
| 17:14.12 | Patlabor221 | frank: and wasn't the thermoptics called 2501, not the AI |
| 17:14.22 | Patlabor221 | thank you cappy. |
| 17:14.55 | BZFrank | I thought it was the AI project, but I must look it put - have the DVD somewhere here |
| 17:15.14 | Patlabor221 | I mean in the manga |
| 17:15.23 | Patlabor221 | I think it was called 2501 in the ainime |
| 17:15.26 | BZFrank | I have only the movie |
| 17:16.04 | BZFrank | thought it was pretty close to the comic? |
| 17:16.18 | Patlabor221 | it's closer then others |
| 17:16.23 | Patlabor221 | but there are a number of difrences |
| 17:17.06 | BZFrank | ah! |
| 17:17.21 | Patlabor221 | nope no ghost in the shell here, just Appleseed. must be at home |
| 17:17.26 | BZFrank | well, then I created some thermooptics ;) |
| 17:17.57 | Patlabor221 | still has a nice ring to it |
| 17:18.08 | Patlabor221 | I had a "project23" at one point |
| 17:18.15 | Patlabor221 | proalby still have it somewhere |
| 17:18.25 | Patlabor221 | man was it ever cool |
| 17:18.26 | BZFrank | counting or just for the number 23? |
| 17:18.36 | Patlabor221 | it just sounded cool |
| 17:18.38 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 17:18.50 | Patlabor221 | we didn't want to start with 1 |
| 17:19.11 | greenmachine | Captain_Proton... I've been doing a little reading @ bzflag.sytes.net, and it seems that I'm not the only one who Dervish has randomly kicked off ! |
| 17:19.15 | BZFrank | :) |
| 17:19.35 | captain_proton | greenmachine: i know, but that doesn't mean he isn't the only one who can remove the ban |
| 17:19.43 | greenmachine | sent him an E-mail, but with all the reading I've been doing, I feel it will only server to humor him... |
| 17:19.49 | Patlabor221 | unforntonatly trying to finish it in these days would be pointless since the tech behind it is sooo old |
| 17:20.05 | BZFrank | so who is the owner of "turkey", why does he not change the admin password? |
| 17:20.44 | captain_proton | BZFrank: kernel panic is the owner - and he's snuggled up close to dervish |
| 17:20.47 | BZFrank | pat: thats why I like to bring p2501 at least to some lever where it does something useful soon |
| 17:20.56 | greenmachine | Look... I'm a newbie at BZ Tank... |
| 17:21.17 | Patlabor221 | frank: well at least yours is 3d :), mine was all 2d. |
| 17:21.27 | greenmachine | Is there somebody that outranks him that I can appease or talk to? Or is he the only one that can allow me back on ? |
| 17:21.51 | BZFrank | pat: next generation is 4d, I am sure ;) |
| 17:22.10 | Patlabor221 | frank: holo-pannels? |
| 17:22.14 | BZFrank | greenmachine: look for another server |
| 17:22.26 | Patlabor221 | green: did he IP ban you? or just your name? |
| 17:22.35 | BZFrank | pat: direct brain connect, we must test it frist with gerbils *eg* |
| 17:22.48 | greenmachine | Pat, how can I tell that ? |
| 17:23.01 | Patlabor221 | frank: why should the gerbels get to do that first? what do they got over us? :) |
| 17:23.06 | BZFrank | greenmachine: can you change your name and log in |
| 17:23.10 | Patlabor221 | green: change your name and try to get back on |
| 17:23.57 | greenmachine | I already tried that... I tried logging on as "Dervish Jr." and swithced to rogue. |
| 17:24.16 | Patlabor221 | that would be mature. |
| 17:24.20 | greenmachine | It tells me that the server is full or something like that... |
| 17:24.25 | Patlabor221 | is it full? |
| 17:24.55 | BZFrank | what server is this, I am going to play on it anonymously and do no bad moves except chasing him and if he should kick me, well we have ways... |
| 17:25.02 | greenmachine | I don't know, It won't show up when I do a search, I tried evetering in everything manually... |
| 17:25.19 | captain_proton | BZFrank: turkey.moongroup |
| 17:25.28 | Patlabor221 | frankL turkey |
| 17:25.29 | greenmachine | that's when it says server full or somehing... |
| 17:26.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah turkey don't show up on the list |
| 17:26.19 | greenmachine | port 7500 |
| 17:26.29 | captain_proton | list is still recovering |
| 17:26.31 | greenmachine | if that matters... |
| 17:26.38 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 17:27.05 | Patlabor221 | be nice if the list serv could tell the servers that it was changing, or going down or whatever |
| 17:27.15 | Patlabor221 | like a master MOTD |
| 17:27.53 | greenmachine | So is the server there or not ? |
| 17:28.02 | captain_proton | its there its just not in the server list |
| 17:28.15 | greenmachine | can anybody else get in ? |
| 17:31.18 | greenmachine | I got dumped out of here... back now... any word on turkeymoon ? |
| 17:33.30 | doughecka | oooh |
| 17:33.50 | doughecka | I bztank on a nice jade floor and a sky overhead |
| 17:33.58 | sussudio | frank..... are you hodenbeisser on turkey? |
| 17:35.29 | doughecka | yay hes gone! |
| 17:35.47 | captain_proton | wow even doughecka has a stupidity limit |
| 17:36.03 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:37.58 | doughecka | anyone want the BZTank model in any old format? |
| 17:38.49 | Patlabor221 | doug must have goten milkshape. |
| 17:38.57 | doughecka | nope |
| 17:39.00 | doughecka | Crossroads |
| 17:39.04 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 17:39.11 | Patlabor221 | the model you have is flawed |
| 17:39.16 | doughecka | is milkshape free? |
| 17:39.22 | doughecka | Patlabor221: yea... in what way? |
| 17:39.23 | Patlabor221 | for 30 days |
| 17:39.32 | Patlabor221 | it's faces are backwards |
| 17:39.34 | doughecka | Patlabor221: it seems to be messed up a little up |
| 17:39.38 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:39.46 | doughecka | that bad? |
| 17:39.47 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:39.51 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:39.55 | doughecka | I see... |
| 17:40.04 | Patlabor221 | you know how boxes look when you make the scale negitive? |
| 17:40.09 | Patlabor221 | that's how the tank will look |
| 17:40.12 | doughecka | you gonna make a UT2BZW converter? |
| 17:40.13 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:40.22 | doughecka | in povray it looks cool |
| 17:40.24 | captain_proton | bzw...hah |
| 17:40.29 | Patlabor221 | bzw no |
| 17:40.31 | doughecka | bzworld |
| 17:40.35 | Patlabor221 | but I have a UT reader |
| 17:40.40 | doughecka | oh? |
| 17:40.41 | doughecka | cool |
| 17:40.48 | Patlabor221 | and it also reads MD3 and obj |
| 17:40.52 | doughecka | ooh |
| 17:40.57 | doughecka | where is it? |
| 17:41.06 | Patlabor221 | on my hard drive |
| 17:41.08 | captain_proton | doughecka: its a pigment of your imagination |
| 17:41.11 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:41.19 | Patlabor221 | no no, i wrote it |
| 17:41.23 | Patlabor221 | it's working and everyting |
| 17:41.31 | doughecka | could I, um, have a copy? |
| 17:41.33 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:41.35 | Patlabor221 | cap just hasn't seen it yet |
| 17:41.43 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:43.03 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/animesh.cpp and http://www.artemisgames.com/animesh.h |
| 17:43.44 | doughecka | no binary? |
| 17:43.54 | Patlabor221 | binary of what? |
| 17:43.57 | Patlabor221 | it's a class? |
| 17:44.03 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:44.05 | greenmachine | Can I build my own server with NT? or does it have to be some flavor of UNIX ? |
| 17:44.15 | doughecka | greenmachine: NT server you can |
| 17:44.17 | captain_proton | greenmachine: you can if you have MS Visual C++ |
| 17:44.31 | greenmachine | If I'm buggin you guys, just say so, and I'll leave... |
| 17:44.31 | doughecka | captain_proton: ? |
| 17:44.48 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:45.00 | Patlabor221 | I can post the .o file if you want a binary of it |
| 17:45.17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:45.26 | doughecka | also that link dont work |
| 17:45.32 | Patlabor221 | what would you do with the class doug? |
| 17:45.37 | BZFrank | back |
| 17:45.51 | doughecka | I thought you had a 3d viewer |
| 17:45.55 | doughecka | not a "class" |
| 17:45.57 | doughecka | BZFrank: lo |
| 17:46.01 | Patlabor221 | did I ever say that? |
| 17:46.10 | sussudio | BZFrank: were you playing as hodenbeisser? |
| 17:46.11 | Patlabor221 | the class knows how to draw the objects. |
| 17:46.17 | doughecka | ok, you said reader |
| 17:46.32 | Patlabor221 | and that's what the class does |
| 17:46.33 | captain_proton | doughecka: explain how someone builds a windows version of bzfs without VC++? |
| 17:46.35 | Patlabor221 | it reads |
| 17:46.48 | Patlabor221 | cap why do they have to build it? |
| 17:46.55 | captain_proton | or is this an incorrect usage of the word "build"? |
| 17:47.01 | BZFrank | sussudio: no, I couldn'T connect (IP banned?) so I talked a bit to BAMFs and played with his 3 years old ;) |
| 17:47.10 | sussudio | BZFrank: k, just checking........ |
| 17:47.10 | Patlabor221 | I think he means "run" |
| 17:47.15 | captain_proton | foodtime |
| 17:47.19 | doughecka | captain_proton: <greenmachine> Can I build my own server with NT? or does it have to be some flavor of UNIX ? means server.... |
| 17:47.30 | doughecka | I think so, captain_proton is getting confused |
| 17:47.30 | Patlabor221 | greenmachine, do you just want to run a server? |
| 17:49.31 | doughecka | aha |
| 17:49.46 | doughecka | I changed the tanks barrel to white |
| 17:51.03 | Patlabor221 | wow you must be talented |
| 17:51.12 | doughecka | a yup |
| 17:51.23 | Patlabor221 | you should fix the UVs on that model |
| 17:51.26 | Patlabor221 | they suck ass |
| 17:51.35 | doughecka | UVs? |
| 17:51.42 | Patlabor221 | texture coordinates |
| 17:51.52 | doughecka | oh? |
| 17:52.34 | BZFrank | ultimate Unwrap 3d can do this and more |
| 17:52.41 | doughecka | BZFrank: free? |
| 17:52.43 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:52.54 | BZFrank | no, but there is a free version (older version) |
| 17:53.00 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:53.03 | BZFrank | still its kinda cheap |
| 17:53.13 | Patlabor221 | milk shape is $20 |
| 17:53.26 | BZFrank | yes, so i ultimate unwrap |
| 17:53.33 | Patlabor221 | see that's cheap |
| 17:53.45 | doughecka | I dont got no money |
| 17:54.01 | doughecka | woah ultimate Unwrap 3d has plugins for tons of things |
| 17:54.09 | BZFrank | don't eat a pizza for two days - pronto 20 bucks ;) |
| 17:54.15 | doughecka | pizza? |
| 17:54.25 | Patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/tank.obj is the fixed model if you want it |
| 17:54.27 | doughecka | I eat pizza bagel... 50 cents apiece... |
| 17:54.30 | BZFrank | as an example |
| 17:54.33 | doughecka | ah thanks |
| 17:54.43 | BZFrank | then for 40 days ;) |
| 17:54.48 | doughecka | BZFrank: I dont got ANY money... I have nothing coming in |
| 17:54.53 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:55.03 | Patlabor221 | mow lawns |
| 17:55.06 | Patlabor221 | flip burgers |
| 17:55.17 | Patlabor221 | dig ditches |
| 17:55.32 | BZFrank | sell your expertise |
| 17:55.32 | Patlabor221 | ride your bike |
| 17:55.37 | doughecka | boke? |
| 17:55.41 | doughecka | bike? |
| 17:55.43 | doughecka | what bike? |
| 17:55.47 | Patlabor221 | I don't think people will pay for bakas |
| 17:55.58 | BZFrank | welll this could be a problem ;) |
| 17:55.59 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:56.16 | Patlabor221 | dirve your "truck" |
| 17:56.26 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:56.29 | BZFrank | table dancing? |
| 17:56.30 | doughecka | not road legal |
| 17:56.39 | doughecka | + no drivers licesnce |
| 17:56.45 | Patlabor221 | soo there are what like 3 cops in your state? |
| 17:56.45 | doughecka | but I have a golf cart! |
| 17:56.56 | doughecka | Patlabor221: louisville is covered in cops |
| 17:57.17 | BZFrank | so drive aound fat and wealthy golf players and make a fortune! |
| 17:57.25 | doughecka | Hmmmm |
| 17:57.34 | doughecka | I live next to a golf corse... |
| 17:57.40 | doughecka | HMMMMmmm..... |
| 17:57.43 | Patlabor221 | be a caddy |
| 17:58.00 | doughecka | what does a caddy do exept drive people round? |
| 17:58.13 | sussudio | doughecka: give blowjobs to their owners |
| 17:58.14 | Patlabor221 | go out in the world and interact with real people |
| 17:58.16 | BZFrank | carry bags, lots of them! |
| 17:58.23 | Patlabor221 | and get beers |
| 17:58.24 | doughecka | aha |
| 17:58.38 | doughecka | I neever seen any caddys at this golfcourse.. |
| 17:58.38 | greenmachine | Yes, I would like to run my own server... I've got a really fast cable connection and figure it would be cool to let people play... |
| 17:58.41 | Patlabor221 | or you can sell internet porn |
| 17:58.42 | sussudio | that and chase after gophers |
| 17:58.48 | BZFrank | I can ask a buddy for a job in the carribean (really!) |
| 17:58.59 | BZFrank | as a sailor on a sailing ship |
| 17:59.05 | Patlabor221 | green: then all you need to do is run the server with the proper command line options. |
| 17:59.28 | greenmachine | but how do I build a world, and then host that ? |
| 17:59.31 | doughecka | greenmachine: a) you need a static ip or a statis host name http://www.no-ip.com b) do what Patlabor221 says and you cant (dont quote me on that) wrong |
| 17:59.42 | doughecka | greenmachine: get bzedit32 from Patlabor221 |
| 17:59.53 | Patlabor221 | green: it can generate reandom worlds to start with |
| 18:00.13 | Patlabor221 | green: or you can get a number of worlds from Jzaun.com |
| 18:00.15 | greenmachine | OK, where do I get it ?bzflag.org? |
| 18:00.19 | Patlabor221 | green: or get the edotr from me |
| 18:00.34 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 18:00.39 | Patlabor221 | I think |
| 18:00.55 | Patlabor221 | why the hell did I pick such a long domain name |
| 18:01.03 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:01.21 | Patlabor221 | I'm amazed I spelled it right when I registerd it. |
| 18:02.00 | doughecka | hehe |
| 18:02.08 | doughecka | oohh a purple tank |
| 18:02.50 | Patlabor221 | cap: wana host me a dns? |
| 18:04.34 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:04.46 | doughecka | 7up in a wine glass forever!! |
| 18:04.48 | Patlabor221 | noone would get the joke tho |
| 18:05.00 | Patlabor221 | I was just out of glasses OK!!!!! |
| 18:05.11 | Patlabor221 | perv |
| 18:05.40 | Patlabor221 | but it's from a line "It think 'Baka' means 'No more Beer'!" |
| 18:06.36 | Patlabor221 | hey I know how you can make money |
| 18:06.55 | sussudio | mcdonalds? |
| 18:07.03 | Patlabor221 | you got a sister? |
| 18:07.05 | doughecka | too far |
| 18:07.14 | sussudio | kfc then |
| 18:07.14 | doughecka | yes..... |
| 18:07.18 | sussudio | you can be the chicken |
| 18:07.20 | doughecka | father |
| 18:07.20 | Patlabor221 | is she hot? |
| 18:07.24 | doughecka | farther |
| 18:07.26 | doughecka | no |
| 18:07.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:07.37 | sussudio | doesnt matter, it's one way to kfc |
| 18:07.45 | Patlabor221 | well web cam her anyway |
| 18:07.50 | doughecka | hah |
| 18:07.53 | Patlabor221 | fat chick porn sells too |
| 18:07.55 | doughecka | what webcam? |
| 18:08.10 | Patlabor221 | steal 17$ and get one |
| 18:08.25 | Patlabor221 | proalby got that in the couch |
| 18:08.44 | Patlabor221 | per pixel lighting |
| 18:08.50 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:09.22 | Patlabor221 | does it have a radiosity option? |
| 18:09.30 | doughecka | umm, maybe |
| 18:09.36 | doughecka | still readin the help file |
| 18:11.37 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:11.42 | doughecka | red 0.000000 green 0.000000 blue 1.000000 |
| 18:11.48 | doughecka | how would I convert that into RGB? |
| 18:11.57 | Patlabor221 | that is RGB |
| 18:11.58 | doughecka | so I can easly make colors that look right |
| 18:12.01 | doughecka | it is? |
| 18:12.03 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 18:12.12 | Patlabor221 | goes from 0-1 |
| 18:12.13 | doughecka | I thought RGB is 256 256 256 |
| 18:12.16 | Patlabor221 | 0 to 100 % |
| 18:12.24 | Patlabor221 | that's another way of doing it |
| 18:12.27 | doughecka | oh |
| 18:12.31 | Patlabor221 | in a 24 bit system |
| 18:12.37 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:12.38 | doughecka | k |
| 18:12.39 | Patlabor221 | guess what 1.0 is? |
| 18:12.44 | doughecka | full |
| 18:12.51 | doughecka | I figured that out |
| 18:12.53 | Patlabor221 | guess what 255 is |
| 18:13.04 | doughecka | but I want a litle program that shows me what that color IS |
| 18:13.13 | Patlabor221 | windows color picker |
| 18:13.16 | doughecka | so I dont have to rerender all it |
| 18:13.23 | Patlabor221 | windows color picker |
| 18:13.24 | doughecka | wheres that? |
| 18:13.28 | Patlabor221 | all over the place |
| 18:13.36 | Patlabor221 | easyest is display pannel |
| 18:13.41 | Patlabor221 | desktop bg color |
| 18:13.42 | doughecka | hm |
| 18:13.53 | Patlabor221 | in windows paint |
| 18:13.57 | Patlabor221 | in photoshop |
| 18:14.05 | doughecka | but its in 255 255 255 |
| 18:14.05 | Patlabor221 | in word |
| 18:14.12 | doughecka | I want it in 1 1 1 |
| 18:14.14 | doughecka | or 0 0 0 |
| 18:14.22 | Patlabor221 | can do you math? |
| 18:14.28 | doughecka | maybe |
| 18:14.32 | doughecka | ~math |
| 18:14.32 | | i heard math is a |
| 18:14.33 | Patlabor221 | if 1 = 255? |
| 18:14.42 | Patlabor221 | then 128 = ? |
| 18:14.51 | sussudio | profit? |
| 18:15.06 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:15.16 | Patlabor221 | no not for doug |
| 18:15.24 | Patlabor221 | since he can't seem to get it |
| 18:15.46 | Patlabor221 | need the "formula"? |
| 18:15.54 | sussudio | how about a 'golfcoursecaminthemiddleofgoddamnnowhere,KY' |
| 18:16.01 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:16.08 | Patlabor221 | divide by 255 |
| 18:16.13 | doughecka | ah.... |
| 18:16.20 | doughecka | ~1 / 255 |
| 18:16.20 | | 0.003921568627 |
| 18:16.26 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:16.28 | Patlabor221 | no you mororn |
| 18:16.38 | doughecka | ~138 / 255 |
| 18:16.38 | | 0.541176470588 |
| 18:16.43 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:16.43 | Patlabor221 | ther you go |
| 18:16.56 | doughecka | oooh I get it now... |
| 18:16.59 | Patlabor221 | and multiply by 255 to go to float |
| 18:17.09 | Patlabor221 | you sure they are teaching you stuff at that home school place? |
| 18:17.25 | Patlabor221 | what you can't divide? |
| 18:17.55 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:17.56 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:18.05 | Patlabor221 | I weep for the future |
| 18:18.24 | Patlabor221 | and you want to become a programer? |
| 18:18.35 | doughecka | not really |
| 18:18.47 | sussudio | you want to be a fireman? |
| 18:19.18 | doughecka | I want to be a LUMBERJACK!!! |
| 18:19.24 | Patlabor221 | you mean Gay? |
| 18:19.29 | sussudio | wear suspenders and a bra? |
| 18:20.16 | Patlabor221 | no seriously what do you want to do? |
| 18:20.31 | sussudio | doug wants to.......... sing! |
| 18:20.36 | doughecka | hardware/robotics/computer stuff |
| 18:20.37 | sussudio | no no! stop the music! |
| 18:20.43 | Patlabor221 | oh no none of that |
| 18:20.53 | Patlabor221 | and you can't do math? |
| 18:20.58 | doughecka | I can too |
| 18:21.06 | Patlabor221 | dosnt' seem like it |
| 18:21.20 | Patlabor221 | shit that was a simple ratio |
| 18:21.44 | Patlabor221 | I mean thats even in the tard math class |
| 18:22.01 | Patlabor221 | if you never figure out how to use them |
| 18:22.06 | Patlabor221 | they are no good |
| 18:22.07 | captain_proton | sussudio: silicon heaven doesn't exist |
| 18:22.25 | captain_proton | actually no, silicon heaven does |
| 18:22.25 | Patlabor221 | doug you never did good at word problems did you? |
| 18:22.26 | sussudio | but.... the toaster shall lay down with the lamp |
| 18:22.41 | captain_proton | doughecka: 'real' heaven doesn't exist. its just a myth made up to keep you from going insane |
| 18:22.50 | Patlabor221 | or going sane |
| 18:23.06 | doughecka | word problems are easy, but I dont think in them |
| 18:23.29 | Patlabor221 | they are easy when your mom gives them to you |
| 18:23.38 | doughecka | I do it out a book |
| 18:23.40 | Patlabor221 | and they involve "how many apples do you have now?" |
| 18:23.48 | doughecka | 3 |
| 18:24.03 | Patlabor221 | and 3 in float RGBA would be? |
| 18:24.22 | Patlabor221 | ir if your using windows BGRA |
| 18:24.27 | Patlabor221 | with y inverted. |
| 18:24.27 | doughecka | ~3 / 255 |
| 18:24.28 | | 0.011764705882 |
| 18:24.31 | captain_proton | haha BGR |
| 18:24.41 | doughecka | BRGA? |
| 18:24.45 | Patlabor221 | gotta love the BMP reader |
| 18:24.46 | doughecka | never heard of that |
| 18:24.57 | Patlabor221 | think hard. |
| 18:25.03 | sussudio | the castle BRGAaaaaaaaargh |
| 18:25.20 | Patlabor221 | and it's BGRA |
| 18:25.29 | Patlabor221 | not BRG that would just be stupid |
| 18:25.52 | Patlabor221 | still better then 5-6-5 RGB |
| 18:26.19 | Patlabor221 | or my personal favorate 5-5-5-1 RGBA |
| 18:27.18 | captain_proton | the draw bit? :) |
| 18:27.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I've seen it used as a mask |
| 18:28.09 | Patlabor221 | I think some mac icons were like that |
| 18:28.19 | Patlabor221 | color key is easyer |
| 18:28.48 | Patlabor221 | also mac RGBs were no 0-255 0-0xffff |
| 18:28.58 | Patlabor221 | was a bitch to convert |
| 18:29.07 | Patlabor221 | kept forgeting to multiply by 256 |
| 18:29.19 | captain_proton | wading through this netcode is painful |
| 18:29.33 | Patlabor221 | I can imagine |
| 18:29.43 | Patlabor221 | I am looking at world.cxx |
| 18:32.38 | Patlabor221 | as do I |
| 18:32.43 | Patlabor221 | there are 5 CDs |
| 18:32.53 | Patlabor221 | the anime guy has them on order |
| 18:34.07 | Patlabor221 | some good stuff isn't it? |
| 18:34.12 | captain_proton | yep |
| 18:34.14 | Patlabor221 | man that guy is an idiot |
| 18:34.15 | captain_proton | good codingmusic |
| 18:34.31 | BZFrank | later folks |
| 18:34.45 | captain_proton | 'night BZFrank |
| 18:34.46 | Patlabor221 | as soon as I can figure out how to do subtitles I will rip the DVDS |
| 18:34.49 | Patlabor221 | see ya frank |
| 18:34.58 | BZFrank | pat: dvd2svcd can do |
| 18:35.09 | BZFrank | subtitles that is |
| 18:35.16 | Patlabor221 | so can flaskMPEG, or so they tell me |
| 18:35.27 | BZFrank | flask is a bunch of bitcrap |
| 18:35.27 | captain_proton | dvd::rip lets you choose any subtitle/audio/etc |
| 18:35.45 | Patlabor221 | works fine for everything else |
| 18:35.47 | BZFrank | if on windows use dvd2svcd or dvdx2.0 |
| 18:35.55 | Patlabor221 | I will look at those |
| 18:36.03 | BZFrank | dvdx2 is nice, here is the link |
| 18:36.31 | BZFrank | http://www.chip.de/downloads_updates/downloads_updates_8610367.html |
| 18:36.50 | BZFrank | its a german server but well connected - click on "low speed download" :)= |
| 18:37.17 | captain_proton | i doubt you'll get dvd::rip working, its a leenoox thing :) |
| 18:37.39 | Patlabor221 | since I don't have a lin machine with a DVD, your proalby right |
| 18:37.43 | BZFrank | I know dvd::rip, but it has inferior quality |
| 18:37.51 | BZFrank | ;) |
| 18:37.56 | captain_proton | BZFrank: dvd::rip uses transcode, it all depends on the settings you give it |
| 18:38.07 | Patlabor221 | what something on linux be bad.. never :) |
| 18:38.14 | BZFrank | as I told 'inferior quality' ;) |
| 18:38.34 | captain_proton | BZFrank: you're on crack |
| 18:38.50 | BZFrank | really dvd::rip is ok, but the windows programs are easier to use and the encoders are better |
| 18:38.53 | captain_proton | multipass divx5 looks better than any vcd |
| 18:39.09 | BZFrank | but does not play in my DVD player, so what? |
| 18:39.18 | captain_proton | well thats your problem ;) |
| 18:39.42 | BZFrank | and mpeg2 svcd encoding on linux is not quite up to par |
| 18:40.08 | BZFrank | actually I have a dedicated linux box only for media player |
| 18:40.29 | BZFrank | it does not even has a keyboard (anymore), complete control by LIRC ;) |
| 18:41.20 | captain_proton | i'm working on controlling stuff on my system via lirc |
| 18:41.26 | BZFrank | and the media player has a LCAR (startrek ng) interface, i wrote this baby myself... |
| 18:41.49 | BZFrank | you'd like the source? |
| 18:42.03 | captain_proton | sure, why not :) |
| 18:42.21 | BZFrank | it is a 'selection' frontend to mplayer of course, but it really looks nice |
| 18:43.10 | BZFrank | still that flatiron adress? |
| 18:47.29 | BZFrank | *ping* |
| 18:47.29 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i /msg'ed you |
| 18:47.29 | Patlabor221 | *plorp* |
| 18:47.29 | BZFrank | ups :) |
| 18:49.29 | BZFrank | does not work in the mozilla irc client... |
| 18:49.31 | doughecka | greetings BZFrank |
| 18:49.32 | doughecka | ;) |
| 18:49.36 | BZFrank | rehi doug |
| 18:49.48 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:49.59 | doughecka | what are the default colors for bztanks? |
| 18:50.16 | doughecka | red is.... pure red? |
| 18:50.17 | Patlabor221 | red green blue purple and gray |
| 18:50.33 | Patlabor221 | look at the code |
| 18:50.37 | doughecka | yea, but pure red, or some darker red? |
| 18:50.51 | Patlabor221 | sure you do you just don't know it |
| 18:50.59 | captain_proton | doughecka: get the code then |
| 18:51.23 | BZFrank | coming |
| 18:51.26 | BZFrank | just packing up |
| 18:51.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:51.45 | doughecka | BZFrank: any more things added to p2501? |
| 18:51.57 | BZFrank | lightnings |
| 18:52.03 | doughecka | oooh |
| 18:52.09 | doughecka | any new binarys avalible? |
| 18:52.10 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:52.35 | doughecka | lol: // yikes! that's a lotsa includes! |
| 18:52.44 | Patlabor221 | floatTeam::tankColor[NumTeams][3] = {{ 0.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f },{ 1.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f },{ 0.0f, 1.0f, 0.0f },{ 0.2f, 0.2f, 1.0f },{ 1.0f, 0.0f, 1.0f }};f |
| 18:53.02 | doughecka | ah, what file was that in? |
| 18:53.09 | Patlabor221 | team.cxx |
| 18:53.14 | doughecka | aha |
| 18:53.24 | Patlabor221 | rouge is 0 0 0 |
| 18:53.30 | Patlabor221 | red is 1 0 0 |
| 18:53.31 | doughecka | k |
| 18:53.36 | Patlabor221 | green is 0 1 0 |
| 18:53.45 | Patlabor221 | blue is 0 0 1 |
| 18:53.51 | Patlabor221 | purple is 0.2 0.2 1 |
| 18:53.59 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:54.03 | Patlabor221 | or no |
| 18:54.12 | Patlabor221 | blue is 0.2 0.2 1 |
| 18:54.16 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:54.17 | doughecka | ok |
| 18:54.17 | Patlabor221 | purple is 1 0 1 |
| 18:54.24 | doughecka | oh.. |
| 18:54.25 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:54.25 | Patlabor221 | that is pure purple |
| 18:54.32 | doughecka | pure blue then |
| 18:54.40 | Patlabor221 | it looks too bright |
| 18:54.50 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:55.11 | Patlabor221 | I'd actualy do the same thing they did to blue, to R and G |
| 18:55.17 | Patlabor221 | and change purple to yellow |
| 18:55.28 | doughecka | hmm, yea |
| 18:55.40 | doughecka | and rouge would be black |
| 18:55.47 | Patlabor221 | it is now |
| 18:55.51 | Patlabor221 | that's what 0 0 0 is |
| 18:55.54 | doughecka | USB Joystick support for {Net,Free}BSD. |
| 18:56.04 | doughecka | bzflag as USB joystick support? |
| 18:56.26 | Patlabor221 | It has lin joy support |
| 18:56.33 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:56.34 | BZFrank | captain:on the waaaay |
| 18:56.39 | captain_proton | BZFrank: nifty |
| 18:56.49 | Patlabor221 | needs directinoput support for windows |
| 18:57.11 | Patlabor221 | yes you do, you just don't know it |
| 18:57.22 | doughecka | under what folder? |
| 18:57.23 | Patlabor221 | where are you looking? |
| 18:57.28 | Patlabor221 | F3 |
| 18:57.33 | doughecka | ? |
| 18:57.38 | Patlabor221 | everthing is in F3 |
| 18:57.45 | Patlabor221 | best key on the keyboard that F3 |
| 18:57.47 | doughecka | I am in explorer, I dont have VC++ installed |
| 18:57.54 | Patlabor221 | F3 |
| 18:58.21 | doughecka | I looked in /common! |
| 18:58.29 | Patlabor221 | sure you did |
| 18:58.42 | Patlabor221 | but F3 knows all |
| 18:58.58 | Patlabor221 | adn our too youg to smoke |
| 18:59.08 | Patlabor221 | pannel manager? |
| 18:59.10 | captain_proton | ibot: topic add netcode is infinite hair |
| 18:59.15 | Patlabor221 | font manager? :) :):) |
| 18:59.23 | captain_proton | just LGE window stuff |
| 18:59.24 | doughecka | BZFrank: anything else? |
| 18:59.29 | captain_proton | for now i'll even use identity camera |
| 18:59.39 | Patlabor221 | ohh the view stuff |
| 18:59.40 | Patlabor221 | cook |
| 18:59.42 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 19:00.06 | BZFrank | doug: no, fixes, changes for the parhelia etc. |
| 19:00.21 | sussudio | i wonder how many people play bzf with mouse only |
| 19:00.33 | BZFrank | captain: did the mail got through already? |
| 19:00.37 | captain_proton | BZFrank: yep |
| 19:00.39 | sussudio | keyboard is much more responsive...... |
| 19:00.42 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:00.43 | BZFrank | k |
| 19:00.50 | BZFrank | bzflagxl? |
| 19:00.57 | doughecka | BZFrank: a yup |
| 19:00.58 | captain_proton | keyboard isn't as powerful as mouse |
| 19:01.02 | Patlabor221 | it's eXtra Large |
| 19:01.02 | captain_proton | can't control speed |
| 19:01.13 | BZFrank | large? MORE pixels? ;) |
| 19:01.19 | doughecka | LOL |
| 19:01.21 | sussudio | i hate the mouse...... |
| 19:01.23 | doughecka | pixal shading |
| 19:01.24 | BZFrank | or BIG tanks? |
| 19:01.25 | doughecka | and fur |
| 19:01.29 | Patlabor221 | mor evertying |
| 19:01.31 | sussudio | keyboard doesnt give you carpal tunnel |
| 19:01.36 | BZFrank | more cheese!!! |
| 19:02.14 | captain_proton | if you have a real mouse or proper posture neither does the mouse |
| 19:02.24 | sussudio | balls |
| 19:02.32 | doughecka | optical mice |
| 19:02.40 | sussudio | shutupdoug |
| 19:03.38 | doughecka | F3 |
| 19:03.42 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/BZFlagXL.zip |
| 19:03.43 | doughecka | F3 knows everything |
| 19:03.47 | Patlabor221 | that it does |
| 19:03.54 | Patlabor221 | see cap is the MAN |
| 19:04.04 | Patlabor221 | frank that's it |
| 19:04.10 | Patlabor221 | all 19 megs of it |
| 19:04.17 | Patlabor221 | mostly it's just a test of some stuff |
| 19:04.27 | BZFrank | downloading |
| 19:04.31 | doughecka | sussudio: sorry, I buy Made is The USA stuff |
| 19:04.32 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:04.36 | Patlabor221 | ohh cap that one dosnt'have "the flag" |
| 19:04.42 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: true |
| 19:04.48 | sussudio | doughecka: indeed you do. |
| 19:04.52 | doughecka | BZFrank: how does the lightning work? |
| 19:04.58 | Patlabor221 | "the flag" rules all |
| 19:05.01 | sussudio | ASSEMBLED in the USA it may be. |
| 19:05.03 | sussudio | not made. |
| 19:05.05 | BZFrank | its the shockwave replacement |
| 19:05.11 | doughecka | BZFrank: oh? |
| 19:05.49 | doughecka | BZFrank: no lightning out of the sky stricking sussudio dead or anything? |
| 19:05.50 | BZFrank | yep, if near enough it 'zaps' another tank with a lightning strike, otherwise it just looks like a tesla coil out of control |
| 19:06.03 | doughecka | oh cool |
| 19:06.10 | doughecka | I want to see it |
| 19:06.17 | BZFrank | so real you could smell the ozone *eg* |
| 19:06.58 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:07.02 | BZFrank | as soon as I get the OPENGLBLIT stuff out of the code |
| 19:07.07 | doughecka | zaps the fur right off a tank! |
| 19:07.09 | BZFrank | does not work on the parhelia |
| 19:07.17 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:07.27 | doughecka | I can test it on a geforce2mx400 for ya! |
| 19:07.27 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:07.28 | BZFrank | leaves burn marks on the tank and environment |
| 19:07.35 | BZFrank | well, not yet ;) |
| 19:07.47 | doughecka | or is it mold? |
| 19:07.51 | doughecka | ;) |
| 19:08.04 | BZFrank | I give you call |
| 19:08.11 | doughecka | ok doke |
| 19:08.11 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:08.25 | BZFrank | (thats political speak for "not yet, bugger off" ;)) |
| 19:08.31 | BZFrank | just kidding |
| 19:08.40 | doughecka | ooh a pretty tank.... a green body, purple treads, bue turret, and a red barrel |
| 19:08.43 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:08.57 | Patlabor221 | oh frank that zip wil have some familiar music |
| 19:09.07 | BZFrank | soo |
| 19:09.08 | doughecka | hehe |
| 19:09.23 | Patlabor221 | cap realy liked it tho |
| 19:09.27 | Patlabor221 | no not that one |
| 19:09.32 | BZFrank | hehe |
| 19:09.38 | Patlabor221 | the other one |
| 19:09.44 | bzdouggg | oh |
| 19:09.47 | bzdouggg | I like that one |
| 19:09.52 | Patlabor221 | I know you do |
| 19:10.06 | Patlabor221 | but the 19 meger dosn't have the cowboy beebop music |
| 19:10.29 | Patlabor221 | it's got the music that inspired the interface |
| 19:10.42 | [dmp | argh sorry |
| 19:10.50 | bzdouggg | sleeping eh? |
| 19:11.03 | [dmp | almost :) |
| 19:11.12 | Patlabor221 | I should do the next version with the .hack// music |
| 19:11.14 | [dmp | just need to stop that stupid away system |
| 19:11.53 | Patlabor221 | cap do I have right to create projects on your svn server? |
| 19:12.01 | sussudio | /set send_away_msg off |
| 19:12.15 | bzdouggg | ~rot13 landmark |
| 19:12.15 | | ynaqznex |
| 19:12.21 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you have write access, but i'm not sure you can create - if you need a repository, just shoot me a request |
| 19:12.44 | sussudio | ~rot13 shpxjnq |
| 19:12.44 | | fuckwad |
| 19:13.17 | captain_proton | perhaps the libs in one repository and the xl core in another? |
| 19:13.26 | Patlabor221 | that is what I am thinking |
| 19:13.36 | captain_proton | and the jetstream core in a third? :) |
| 19:13.42 | Patlabor221 | there you go |
| 19:13.52 | Patlabor221 | to I would want to put a MFC app in there too |
| 19:13.58 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 19:14.31 | Patlabor221 | meshsmith is a simple test of the model classes |
| 19:14.39 | Patlabor221 | and it lets you make the skin defs |
| 19:15.30 | Patlabor221 | I tired to make it command line, but it's a bitch to inlcude GL in command line stuff |
| 19:16.02 | BZFrank | use fltk, great for small GL stuff |
| 19:16.22 | BZFrank | also x-platform compatible: win, linux, macosx |
| 19:16.26 | Patlabor221 | for what I needed I just used an older version of pocket engine that works with MFC |
| 19:16.33 | captain_proton | where is bzflag? i want to ask about .cpp |
| 19:16.34 | Patlabor221 | I don't plan on poritng the app |
| 19:16.47 | Patlabor221 | yes I would like cpp as well |
| 19:16.47 | BZFrank | ak, ok |
| 19:17.08 | bzdouggg | BZFrank: hows OSX version coming along? |
| 19:17.14 | Patlabor221 | BZFLAGL we summon the........!!!!! |
| 19:17.20 | bzdouggg | ~help rot13 |
| 19:17.22 | BZFrank | not at all (currently) |
| 19:17.34 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 19:17.58 | Patlabor221 | bet it would be easer if BZ used SDL |
| 19:18.50 | Patlabor221 | cap: actualy I wouldn't want to put meshsmith in SVN |
| 19:19.02 | Patlabor221 | it uses too much old code |
| 19:19.57 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well i'm working on porting bz to LGE :) |
| 19:20.30 | Patlabor221 | hence my desire to put the thing in source control |
| 19:20.45 | Patlabor221 | sound needs a testing pass |
| 19:20.54 | Patlabor221 | it's the least tested |
| 19:20.57 | captain_proton | you mean the fmod soundmgr? |
| 19:21.01 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:21.05 | Patlabor221 | even my API |
| 19:21.19 | Patlabor221 | it needs a testing pass to make sure it works the way it's suposed too |
| 19:21.34 | Patlabor221 | ok time to get home |
| 19:21.37 | bzdouggg | cya! |
| 19:21.44 | Patlabor221 | be back in like 3.6 min |
| 19:21.50 | BZFrank | lol |
| 19:21.51 | bzdouggg | 3.6... |
| 19:21.53 | bzdouggg | ok |
| 19:22.05 | Patlabor221 | seriously I can see my house from this office. |
| 19:22.10 | bzdouggg | oh? |
| 19:22.12 | Patlabor221 | wait till I leave before you count |
| 19:22.24 | bzdouggg | ~count |
| 19:22.24 | | wish i knew, bzdouggg |
| 19:22.27 | bzdouggg | ok |
| 19:23.07 | now | wef |
| 19:23.20 | now | ibot seen now |
| 19:23.20 | | now is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 19:25.01 | bzdouggg | yay, hes gone! |
| 19:25.33 | bzdouggg | ~seen patlabor221now |
| 19:25.33 | | i haven't seen 'patlabor221now', bzdouggg |
| 19:26.58 | bzdouggg | captain_proton: is it possible to modify the bztank model? |
| 19:27.07 | captain_proton | bzdougg_: howso |
| 19:27.30 | bzdouggg | like I want to make a tank thats more tank-like... could I? |
| 19:27.56 | captain_proton | for 1.7 is a real pain |
| 19:28.00 | captain_proton | but go ahead and try if you want |
| 19:28.00 | bzdouggg | oh |
| 19:28.05 | bzdouggg | how would I |
| 19:28.08 | bzdouggg | where is the model? |
| 19:28.13 | captain_proton | hardcode the geometry |
| 19:28.48 | bzdouggg | whats it stored in? |
| 19:29.08 | captain_proton | oof |
| 19:29.15 | bzdouggg | yay |
| 19:29.19 | bzdouggg | ~seen now |
| 19:29.19 | | now <~NeXT@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5m 59s ago, saying: 'ibot seen now'. |
| 19:29.19 | captain_proton | doug, its not that hard to find it you actually LOOK AT THE FARKING SOURCES |
| 19:29.35 | bzdouggg | nope, sorry, it took you 5min 59 seconds patlabor221.... |
| 19:29.37 | patlabor221 | what the hell is he asking about now |
| 19:29.45 | captain_proton | he wants to replace the tank model |
| 19:29.46 | patlabor221 | yeah I had to lock up and install MIRC |
| 19:29.49 | bzdouggg | where is the bztank models stored |
| 19:29.51 | patlabor221 | he can't |
| 19:29.56 | patlabor221 | they arn't models |
| 19:29.58 | patlabor221 | they are code |
| 19:30.02 | bzdouggg | yea... |
| 19:30.04 | bzdouggg | but where is it? |
| 19:30.11 | patlabor221 | geo project |
| 19:30.15 | patlabor221 | hitank |
| 19:30.24 | patlabor221 | each part is a c file |
| 19:30.25 | bzdouggg | k |
| 19:30.52 | bzdouggg | ick |
| 19:30.54 | bzdouggg | I see... |
| 19:30.55 | bzdouggg | nasty |
| 19:30.56 | captain_proton | hmm, i'm gonna have to perform some surgery on LGE to make it non-dll |
| 19:31.05 | patlabor221 | if you don't have VC++ how do you plan on changing the model |
| 19:31.09 | bzdouggg | who wrote that model? |
| 19:31.14 | patlabor221 | what's wrong with DLL? |
| 19:31.18 | bzdouggg | dunno, I was just wondering |
| 19:31.19 | patlabor221 | CRS |
| 19:31.30 | patlabor221 | DLL make nice |
| 19:31.31 | captain_proton | patlabor221: it doesn't really fit in with bzflag's strutrue |
| 19:31.33 | captain_proton | structure* |
| 19:31.37 | patlabor221 | so |
| 19:31.41 | bzdouggg | DDL for what? |
| 19:31.47 | patlabor221 | suddap doug |
| 19:31.58 | patlabor221 | it can sill link in like normal |
| 19:32.13 | captain_proton | yeah, but we're aiming for -cleanliness- |
| 19:32.14 | patlabor221 | just means more files on windows install |
| 19:32.23 | patlabor221 | dlls are very clean |
| 19:32.29 | patlabor221 | all encapulated |
| 19:32.33 | captain_proton | source cleanliness |
| 19:32.36 | patlabor221 | only load once and all that |
| 19:32.45 | captain_proton | and if its linked in normally, why have the DLL cruft? |
| 19:33.05 | patlabor221 | so the code isn't duped in multiple apps that may use it |
| 19:33.35 | patlabor221 | but hey if you don't want a #define in the headers, that fine |
| 19:33.43 | captain_proton | only bzflag will use the code |
| 19:34.07 | captain_proton | at least in this incarnation |
| 19:34.08 | patlabor221 | then it should be renamed to like NotLGE :) |
| 19:34.47 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 19:34.52 | patlabor221 | your branching my babby here man :/ |
| 19:34.59 | csa | dose anyone know if there is a doctuation of how to use the program that makes maps |
| 19:35.11 | patlabor221 | for what OS? |
| 19:35.32 | csa | u told methe site about 2 days ago |
| 19:35.33 | csa | u told methe site about 2 days ago |
| 19:35.47 | patlabor221 | whoa sterio |
| 19:35.55 | patlabor221 | you mean the windows one? |
| 19:36.09 | csa | http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 19:36.20 | csa | this one |
| 19:36.21 | patlabor221 | that would be the windows one |
| 19:36.23 | bzdouggg | there is no documentation |
| 19:36.27 | patlabor221 | is that the os you are using? |
| 19:36.38 | patlabor221 | and yes there is no docs |
| 19:36.39 | csa | how do u move the buildings? |
| 19:36.44 | patlabor221 | cick on them |
| 19:36.54 | patlabor221 | and type new numbers in the fields on the bottom |
| 19:36.56 | patlabor221 | then hit apply |
| 19:37.08 | patlabor221 | use the X Y and Z fields |
| 19:37.31 | bzdouggg | hmm, a bztank with mirror treads |
| 19:37.34 | bzdouggg | slick |
| 19:37.50 | BZFrank | later folks, i need to go to bed! |
| 19:38.00 | BZFrank | brain shutdown -h now |
| 19:38.03 | patlabor221 | see ya frank |
| 19:38.17 | BZFrank | cu |
| 19:38.27 | csa | do u have instructions for it |
| 19:38.38 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 19:38.42 | patlabor221 | never wrote any |
| 19:38.51 | patlabor221 | figured it was obvious how to use it |
| 19:38.57 | csa | do u know the lengh and width |
| 19:39.15 | patlabor221 | then call it "UGLY-LGE" |
| 19:39.20 | csa | for the z x y like 50 |
| 19:39.30 | patlabor221 | if that's where you want the thing then yes |
| 19:39.44 | patlabor221 | tho that will be 50 units off the ground |
| 19:39.54 | csa | k |
| 19:40.13 | csa | what means how high |
| 19:40.20 | patlabor221 | that would be Z |
| 19:40.20 | csa | like X Z Y |
| 19:40.42 | patlabor221 | X is east/west |
| 19:40.48 | patlabor221 | Y is North /south |
| 19:40.52 | patlabor221 | Z is up/down |
| 19:41.31 | csa | k |
| 19:42.17 | csa | how do u know how far u can go |
| 19:42.24 | patlabor221 | +- 400 |
| 19:42.31 | patlabor221 | that's how big the map is |
| 19:42.50 | bzdouggg | I want bzflag with mirror textures |
| 19:42.55 | bzdouggg | is that possible? |
| 19:43.04 | patlabor221 | as a simple texture NO |
| 19:43.06 | bzdouggg | could we have tanks with mirrored barrels? |
| 19:43.18 | patlabor221 | as an envirmenent map, FAKED. |
| 19:43.23 | bzdouggg | faked? |
| 19:43.24 | patlabor221 | as a real mirror, NO |
| 19:43.26 | captain_proton | you'd have to render-to-texture then render again |
| 19:43.28 | patlabor221 | faked |
| 19:43.32 | patlabor221 | exactly |
| 19:43.34 | bzdouggg | hmm |
| 19:43.35 | patlabor221 | that's the real way |
| 19:43.38 | bzdouggg | is that hard? |
| 19:43.44 | bzdouggg | :) |
| 19:43.45 | patlabor221 | it's slow |
| 19:43.48 | bzdouggg | oh. |
| 19:43.54 | patlabor221 | fake way is usualy fine |
| 19:43.54 | bzdouggg | will LGE support it? |
| 19:43.59 | bzdouggg | fake... |
| 19:44.06 | patlabor221 | LGE itsef does not draw anyting |
| 19:44.10 | bzdouggg | ok, but how hard is it to put the fake one in it |
| 19:44.13 | bzdouggg | yea yea... |
| 19:44.24 | patlabor221 | I allready gave you code that did it |
| 19:44.29 | patlabor221 | CAnimMesh |
| 19:44.41 | bzdouggg | that makes mirror tanks? |
| 19:45.29 | bzdouggg | +those links where bad |
| 19:45.29 | patlabor221 | it allows one of the texture passes to be an eviroment map |
| 19:45.29 | patlabor221 | it was a test |
| 19:45.29 | bzdouggg | ok... |
| 19:45.29 | patlabor221 | you have to figure out what is wrong with the URL |
| 19:46.00 | patlabor221 | then you are truly truly stupid |
| 19:46.08 | bzdouggg | whats low tank and medtank for? |
| 19:46.14 | patlabor221 | LOD |
| 19:46.20 | bzdouggg | ? |
| 19:46.26 | patlabor221 | Level of detail |
| 19:46.38 | bzdouggg | ah |
| 19:46.48 | patlabor221 | ohh you have no clue what that means |
| 19:46.54 | bzdouggg | I do |
| 19:47.03 | bzdouggg | you switch level of detail in the options menu |
| 19:47.07 | bzdouggg | and it changes models |
| 19:47.14 | captain_proton | um, no. |
| 19:47.16 | captain_proton | wrong |
| 19:47.18 | patlabor221 | not exactly |
| 19:47.19 | captain_proton | incorrect |
| 19:47.42 | patlabor221 | thank you for playing, here is the home version of the game. |
| 19:47.50 | patlabor221 | and these wonderfull parting gifts |
| 19:48.15 | bzdouggg | is there a pro version? |
| 19:48.22 | patlabor221 | yes, and you can't have it |
| 19:48.30 | patlabor221 | you have to pass a test |
| 19:48.54 | bzdouggg | what "test" |
| 19:49.01 | patlabor221 | you allready failed it |
| 19:49.16 | bzdouggg | ~lart patlabor221 |
| 19:50.12 | patlabor221 | right then |
| 19:51.00 | patlabor221 | he has come to the summoning |
| 19:51.24 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 19:51.53 | patlabor221 | bzflag: can we make all the c and cxx files .cpp files? |
| 19:52.55 | bzdouggg | hm |
| 19:55.03 | bzdouggg | how odd |
| 19:55.06 | bzdouggg | my ip changed on my |
| 19:55.08 | bzdouggg | me* |
| 19:55.26 | captain_proton | patlabor221: is it alright with you if i give copyright of this bastardized copy of LGE to riker? |
| 19:55.58 | captain_proton | yay he's gone |
| 19:56.19 | patlabor221 | sure just say I made it |
| 19:56.27 | patlabor221 | and you made it |
| 19:56.32 | patlabor221 | and doug DIDN"T make it |
| 19:56.57 | captain_proton | ok |
| 19:57.06 | patlabor221 | gonna call it blge? |
| 19:57.29 | captain_proton | the dirname is lge for now |
| 19:58.04 | patlabor221 | or just call it "bastiage" |
| 19:59.27 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:59.32 | captain_proton | BZFlag: licensing question for you |
| 20:01.03 | captain_proton | hmm nevermind that removes a good number of platforms |
| 20:01.37 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 20:01.47 | captain_proton | i was gonna ask about fmod |
| 20:01.56 | captain_proton | but fmod only supports win, mac & lin |
| 20:02.01 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:02.15 | captain_proton | we should probably make an openal backend for it |
| 20:02.23 | patlabor221 | proalby |
| 20:02.34 | patlabor221 | I don't know openAL well enough tho |
| 20:09.51 | captain_proton | damn 3dTypes/3dUtils is a lot of code |
| 20:09.58 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:10.09 | patlabor221 | it's usefull code tho |
| 20:10.44 | patlabor221 | realy should make trVertexXd a class at some point |
| 20:10.52 | patlabor221 | and the matrix |
| 20:11.11 | captain_proton | Xd? |
| 20:11.15 | patlabor221 | that is some of the first stff I did |
| 20:11.18 | patlabor221 | 3d 2d |
| 20:11.35 | patlabor221 | and I don't like the word "vertex" |
| 20:17.59 | lurgyman | use "nork" instead |
| 20:18.19 | lurgyman | i.e., #define nork vertex |
| 20:18.48 | patlabor221 | tr3DNork? |
| 20:19.07 | lurgyman | exactly |
| 20:19.30 | patlabor221 | well cap is the one bastardizing it |
| 20:19.46 | patlabor221 | he can give it any stupid name he wants |
| 20:20.28 | lurgyman | grr, these problems keep breaking voice crossing rules in the contour |
| 20:20.52 | lurgyman | and there's more than one place to voice the suckers |
| 20:20.54 | lurgyman | smrt |
| 20:21.59 | captain_proton | wbp |
| 20:24.43 | captain_proton | wow |
| 20:24.52 | captain_proton | looking through this i see patlabor221's speeling degrade |
| 20:24.56 | captain_proton | first its "idenity" |
| 20:25.00 | captain_proton | then "identy" |
| 20:26.33 | patlabor221 | I could have done it backwards |
| 20:26.36 | patlabor221 | and goten better |
| 20:30.44 | patlabor221 | well lets see how SVN works at home |
| 20:33.21 | patlabor221 | your server is still http://bzflag.com:3000? |
| 20:34.27 | patlabor221 | bah it's nt |
| 20:34.28 | patlabor221 | net |
| 20:36.32 | patlabor221 | errors? what did you change? |
| 20:36.41 | patlabor221 | and what was the URL to CO again? |
| 20:36.47 | captain_proton | cleaning out the hungarian notation since it doesn't fit with the bz naming scheme |
| 20:36.54 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 20:36.55 | captain_proton | /svn/bzflag |
| 20:37.56 | patlabor221 | there it goes |
| 20:38.00 | patlabor221 | farking space |
| 20:38.07 | patlabor221 | still slow tho |
| 20:40.34 | captain_proton | hizronatl :) |
| 20:40.58 | patlabor221 | it compiles :P |
| 20:42.13 | captain_proton | true enough |
| 20:42.17 | patlabor221 | did I ever show you the starfox game cube cartoon? |
| 20:42.26 | captain_proton | don't think so |
| 20:43.37 | patlabor221 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-09-27&res=l |
| 20:46.46 | patlabor221 | god it's still checking out |
| 20:49.06 | captain_proton | LGE.cxx (sob) compiles |
| 20:50.32 | patlabor221 | make the CPP change |
| 20:50.45 | patlabor221 | he hasn't said NO |
| 20:50.49 | patlabor221 | and that's like a good maybe |
| 20:50.54 | patlabor221 | and hell you can round that to a yes |
| 20:51.45 | captain_proton | heh |
| 20:52.00 | patlabor221 | Subversion: works realy cool untill you use windows(TM) |
| 20:52.12 | patlabor221 | it's STILL GOING |
| 20:52.36 | patlabor221 | finaly |
| 20:53.38 | patlabor221 | if you make a repository, can I add folders to that, or do you have to add those? |
| 20:54.08 | captain_proton | you can add whatever you want to it |
| 20:54.17 | captain_proton | probably even just import an existing directory |
| 20:54.26 | patlabor221 | oooooooooooooo |
| 20:54.32 | patlabor221 | can I have some repositiorys then |
| 20:55.08 | patlabor221 | I do realy like svn, it's realy easy |
| 20:55.41 | captain_proton | sure, what names? |
| 20:55.47 | patlabor221 | I am thinking about making a shell componet that calls it so you can just right cick on folders and stuff |
| 20:56.10 | patlabor221 | what do you want to call the non bastard LGE libs? |
| 20:56.16 | captain_proton | lge? |
| 20:56.29 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:56.39 | patlabor221 | and then a bzflagXL one please |
| 20:56.49 | captain_proton | any others? |
| 20:57.04 | patlabor221 | should I put the other libs in the LGE folder? |
| 20:59.17 | captain_proton | ok, /svn/lge and /svn/bzflagXL |
| 20:59.22 | captain_proton | yeah why not |
| 20:59.34 | captain_proton | have LGE, SoundManager, TextureManager, etc all be subdirectories |
| 20:59.44 | patlabor221 | k |
| 21:04.11 | patlabor221 | hmm if i CO souldn't it at least get a empty dir? |
| 21:05.28 | captain_proton | it might not give you the dir if that |
| 21:05.43 | captain_proton | i would create the tree you want, then svn import |
| 21:08.14 | patlabor221 | I was denied |
| 21:08.39 | patlabor221 | I must suck |
| 21:10.31 | captain_proton | lemme check perms |
| 21:10.47 | captain_proton | try now |
| 21:11.49 | Patlabor221 | whoot |
| 21:12.10 | Patlabor221 | or at least I think whoot |
| 21:13.11 | Patlabor221 | yup we have a confirmed whoot |
| 21:18.56 | Patlabor221 | ok LGE is in there |
| 21:19.11 | Patlabor221 | tho I need to chage the DSW's to let me build |
| 21:25.53 | Patlabor221 | can't do the XL folder tho |
| 21:26.09 | Patlabor221 | says the URL is not WebDAV enabled |
| 21:27.49 | captain_proton | hmm lemme take a look |
| 21:28.15 | captain_proton | you're spelling it /svn/bzflagXL right? |
| 21:29.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah had some caps in there |
| 21:30.04 | Patlabor221 | it's going now |
| 21:32.46 | captain_proton | woo, 2 of the source files compile now |
| 21:38.32 | RaVeN- | Hello |
| 21:38.55 | RaVeN- | errm ok .. cya later |
| 21:47.44 | Patlabor221 | whoa did you see they are looking into makeing a windows DSP build feature in subversion? |
| 21:48.37 | captain_proton | where? |
| 21:48.55 | Patlabor221 | http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=850 |
| 21:49.15 | Patlabor221 | they want it to automake DSPs |
| 21:49.29 | captain_proton | interesting |
| 21:49.35 | Patlabor221 | yes very |
| 21:50.02 | captain_proton | do i really need Model.h/.cxx? :) |
| 21:50.10 | Patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 21:50.23 | Patlabor221 | I am replacing it with an external class |
| 21:50.42 | Patlabor221 | and the font manager will replace the other thing in there |
| 21:50.48 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 21:50.53 | Patlabor221 | you may not need the frustum cull ether |
| 21:50.58 | Patlabor221 | but mine is kinda kewl |
| 21:51.11 | Patlabor221 | pulls the frustum from the current GL matrix |
| 21:51.32 | Patlabor221 | so you don't have to rebuild it |
| 21:52.17 | Patlabor221 | tho it could use some more functions |
| 21:52.50 | Patlabor221 | I wonder how hard it would be to convert bz to use the texturemanager |
| 21:53.47 | captain_proton | 'twould be nice |
| 21:53.55 | Patlabor221 | and proalby not that hard |
| 21:54.05 | captain_proton | though we'd have to dupe loaders that could decompress textures out of buffers in memory :) |
| 21:54.21 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects/bzflag]$ ls lib |
| 21:54.22 | captain_proton | libCommon.a libGLKit.a libGeometry.a libLGE.a libNet.a libObstacle.a libPlatform.a libSceneDB.a |
| 21:54.24 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:54.39 | Patlabor221 | why outa mem? |
| 21:55.03 | Patlabor221 | ohh from the resource manager thingy |
| 21:55.12 | captain_proton | well, from somewhere |
| 21:55.17 | captain_proton | for downloadable textures |
| 21:55.35 | Patlabor221 | woudl you sill not want to cache them on disk? |
| 21:55.49 | captain_proton | hmm good point |
| 21:56.03 | Patlabor221 | I'd replacate current behavor first |
| 21:56.13 | Patlabor221 | then worry about other stuff |
| 21:56.35 | Patlabor221 | it would also be a nice place to implement an os independed FileIO class. |
| 21:59.06 | Patlabor221 | then if it works out ok there use it in other places |
