| 00:26.34 | captain_proton | don't all talk at once |
| 00:43.30 | lurgyman | ok |
| 00:50.57 | dutchrai | hi |
| 01:23.04 | MrApathyCream | cappy: svn: Bogus filename |
| 01:23.05 | MrApathyCream | svn: Couldn't determine absolute path of http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag. |
| 01:23.12 | MrApathyCream | --doing update-- |
| 01:25.52 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hmm |
| 01:26.09 | MrApathyCream | svn update http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag bzflag |
| 01:26.36 | captain_proton | just 'svn update' from within the bzflag directory |
| 01:27.35 | captain_proton | i've been working on replacing the platform stuff with LGE |
| 01:28.31 | MrApathyCream | woowoo, somethings working! |
| 01:28.38 | MrApathyCream | ah, yes, pure genious |
| 01:30.37 | MrApathyCream | should do on a new subversion branch |
| 01:31.08 | captain_proton | i ought to figure out how to branch svn repositories |
| 01:34.26 | MrApathyCream | yup:) |
| 01:36.21 | BZFlag | lge? |
| 01:36.28 | BZFlag | ibot LGE? |
| 01:36.28 | | BZFlag: no idea |
| 01:36.37 | captain_proton | BZFlag: a set of libs patlabor and i made |
| 01:36.51 | captain_proton | the one i'm doing now does window setup via SDL |
| 01:37.05 | captain_proton | much nicer to work with than all our platform factories/visuals/displays/hamsters/etc |
| 01:38.35 | captain_proton | we also have a "panel manager" which i'm considering for bz, makes UI stuff easy |
| 01:38.47 | captain_proton | we'll see how it works out |
| 01:41.29 | captain_proton | BZFlag: how does one branch CVS? its probably pretty similar |
| 01:44.22 | captain_proton | hmm, i might just be able to cp -R into a new repository directory |
| 01:47.58 | BZFlag | http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs_5.html |
| 01:54.31 | captain_proton | ok i think i got this figured out |
| 01:58.39 | captain_proton | nevermind, not figured out |
| 01:58.47 | captain_proton | i'll just make branches by hand |
| 01:59.15 | captain_proton | or... |
| 01:59.16 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:05.08 | BZFlag | great... ssh to cvs server looks to be down now. |
| 02:05.49 | captain_proton | ssh to sf.net's cvs? |
| 02:15.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: 'svn update' should move everything into a directory called '1.7' |
| 02:16.10 | captain_proton | there are now two branches, http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag/1.7 and http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag/lge-port |
| 02:24.54 | captain_proton | svn is officially successfully branched :) |
| 02:31.17 | captain_proton | BZFlag: can we get e8 out the door so i can commit the plain 1.7 branch of my svn here to cvs? |
| 02:33.49 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I'm trying to convince cvs to make the current v1_7 the head. no lock so far. |
| 02:33.56 | BZFlag | er luck |
| 02:39.09 | captain_proton | eek, resolution code is scary |
| 02:39.23 | captain_proton | if (display->getResolution() != -1 && |
| 02:39.23 | captain_proton | display->getResolution(display->getResolution())) |
| 03:06.26 | captain_proton | ooh wonderful |
| 03:06.34 | captain_proton | our friend dervish has found the sourceforge stuff |
| 03:07.10 | Chestal | uh? |
| 03:09.07 | Chestal | ah, I see |
| 03:10.37 | Chestal | btw., I do not read all of this channel anymore for several months because it's just too much. What's curently going on development-wise? |
| 03:11.00 | Chestal | 1.8 code has been dropped? Obviously there is some work going on on 1.7 code, but not in sf CVS |
| 03:11.22 | captain_proton | we're retiring current 1.8, riker is working on making 1.7 the HEAD (not trivial with cvs) |
| 03:12.07 | captain_proton | apathy, patlabor & I have been working on stuff via a subversion server hosted on my system, since its much easier to create branches when we have shell control over the repository |
| 03:13.07 | captain_proton | the main '1.7' on my svn server has BzfString, AList and boolean replaced with the real stuff |
| 03:13.24 | captain_proton | and just tonight a branched that to port it over to a SDL display lib that simplifies a lot of stuff |
| 03:15.21 | captain_proton | /msg me a username & password if you want access to this, its likely that the base 1.7 stuff will be checked in to cvs directly after e8 (whenever that is) |
| 03:21.25 | Chestal | ausserdem muss sowas im tty laufen |
| 03:21.26 | Chestal | oops |
| 03:21.54 | captain_proton | thoughts? |
| 03:22.44 | Chestal | hmm, when there are changes to 1.7, you'd have to incorporate them in your private repository |
| 03:22.59 | Chestal | what do you do branches for? |
| 03:23.22 | Chestal | I guess those will be merged soon? |
| 03:23.24 | captain_proton | well when a group of people wants to hack at something |
| 03:23.35 | captain_proton | but not munge up cvs sending stuff back and forth |
| 03:23.42 | captain_proton | its easier than posting diffs :) |
| 03:23.58 | Chestal | hmm, ok, but of course merging might require some work then |
| 03:24.04 | captain_proton | well not really |
| 03:24.12 | captain_proton | we can keep up with cvs updates fairly simply |
| 03:24.35 | Chestal | I am a bit sad about 1.8, soem of it was nice |
| 03:24.45 | captain_proton | if two large subprojects finish at the same time it would be some work to merge |
| 03:24.46 | Chestal | although it was unusable to me here |
| 03:24.47 | captain_proton | but *shrug* |
| 03:24.53 | captain_proton | yeah i'm a little sad about it |
| 03:25.07 | Chestal | crs hasn't been seen for months? |
| 03:25.23 | captain_proton | there were a number of good things...BZDB, some rendering stuffs |
| 03:25.49 | captain_proton | he every once in a while posts a tech-support message to the sf forums |
| 03:25.55 | Chestal | yes, I liked that I could just edit new keyboard commands without recompiling |
| 03:25.59 | captain_proton | it seems his job keeps him pretty busy |
| 03:26.16 | captain_proton | (i plan to backport/reimplement BZDB) |
| 03:26.23 | Chestal | I just wondered what he thinks about it, because most of what was in 1.8, was his baby |
| 03:26.55 | Chestal | well, for 1.7e8, there are a couple of things which I would liek changed or which I must checkout, didn't try current CVS |
| 03:27.41 | captain_proton | i would imagine he wouldn't be -too- happy about this plan |
| 03:27.58 | captain_proton | but right now we're lost in terms of getting anything done |
| 03:30.36 | Chestal | I'll take a look at current CVS code when I find some time |
| 03:32.35 | captain_proton | well i must get to bed, have to get up before class to go vote |
| 03:34.11 | captain_proton | if ever you want svn access just /msg me and i'll set it up/explain the process |
| 03:34.33 | Chestal | ok |
| 05:50.09 | Widget | hihihi |
| 05:50.46 | Chestal | hi Widget, already signed up on Laz' new board? |
| 05:50.54 | Widget | No, not yet. |
| 05:51.07 | Widget | I probably will when I want to post something. |
| 05:51.23 | Widget | What's this map called "WidgetWorld"? |
| 05:51.33 | Widget | I saw it on the server list once. |
| 05:51.48 | Chestal | no idea, maybe one of the rotating maps on jzaun? |
| 05:51.58 | Chestal | I usually don't play custom maps |
| 05:52.07 | Widget | I don't think maybe it was on his server. |
| 05:52.09 | Widget | I didn |
| 05:52.26 | Widget | I didn't look at it, but I noticed it. :-) |
| 06:30.42 | bzdouggg | rule number 1: never render anything in POVRAY at 11000x9000 resolution unless you have a supercomputer |
| 06:41.44 | paul | lo |
| 06:41.50 | bzdouggg | 'lo |
| 06:43.07 | paul | up early doug? |
| 07:07.35 | bzdouggg | yup |
| 07:08.17 | prodan | anybody for ducati? |
| 07:09.04 | sussudio | nope |
| 07:09.21 | prodan | anybody here actually likes playing bzflag? |
| 07:09.36 | sussudio | -|- (Rolling_Stones)_Sympathy_For_The_Devil.mp3 (6,207,239 bytes 128kbps Joint Stereo 6mins 28secs Genre:Rock & Roll Year:1968 Album:Beggar's Banquet |
| 07:09.44 | sussudio | woo oooh |
| 07:10.02 | sussudio | umm |
| 07:10.15 | sussudio | it's mostly newbie killing this time of day |
| 07:10.43 | sussudio | like playing against bots |
| 07:11.11 | sussudio | i get kinda tired of "Youre cheating you fucker i hate you" all the time |
| 07:12.02 | sussudio | ducati is kinda boring |
| 07:12.08 | prodan | why |
| 07:13.05 | sussudio | cause it is |
| 07:13.42 | sussudio | ibot bzflist |
| 07:19.43 | prodan | ibot bzflist |
| 07:26.47 | bzdougg_ | ~lart sussudio |
| 07:26.51 | bzdougg_ | ~lart prodan |
| 07:29.42 | [dmp] | I almost only use ducati for playing bzflag. But yesterday you where disconnected as i wrote that i was going to ducati.. And since you never showed up, i began killing the other players who soon connected. (within 5 minuts the server was full) |
| 07:31.48 | [dmp] | ... that was for prodan. |
| 07:32.06 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 07:33.14 | sussudio | ~prozac |
| 07:33.14 | | Prozac is prodan |
| 07:36.21 | [dmp] | ~lart ibot |
| 07:36.31 | [dmp] | damn |
| 07:37.40 | prodan | anybody for ducati? |
| 07:38.35 | prodan | ~lart sussudio |
| 07:39.02 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 07:39.02 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 07:39.03 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 07:42.31 | prodan | god dag sniper |
| 07:42.34 | Chestal | short visit |
| 07:42.40 | Chestal | prodan: signed up for laz' board yet? |
| 08:19.16 | prodan | cheatal ??? |
| 08:19.22 | prodan | chestal ??? |
| 08:20.16 | prodan | what is laz |
| 09:28.56 | bzdougg_ | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 09:29.13 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 09:29.33 | bzdougg_ | need a 3d model of a jingle bell |
| 09:30.48 | Patlabor221 | it's a sphere |
| 09:30.52 | Patlabor221 | with a texture |
| 09:32.00 | bzdougg_ | well I was thinking of a real bell |
| 09:32.06 | bzdougg_ | with the slots and stuff... |
| 09:32.18 | bzdougg_ | hmm, where would I get a texture of a bell? |
| 09:35.06 | Patlabor221 | why do it in Geo? |
| 09:35.15 | Patlabor221 | and make a texture |
| 09:35.21 | Patlabor221 | you have photoshop right? |
| 09:35.54 | bzdougg_ | yea |
| 09:36.08 | Patlabor221 | it makes images right? |
| 09:36.27 | bzdougg_ | but my dad needs a bell for a christmas card... |
| 09:36.37 | bzdougg_ | we dont have a photo to go off of |
| 09:36.59 | Patlabor221 | well check 1) the net 2) www.3dcafe.com |
| 09:37.07 | bzdougg_ | 3dcafe... |
| 09:37.08 | bzdougg_ | k |
| 09:37.22 | Patlabor221 | look for the words stock art, I'm sure they have a picture of a bell |
| 09:37.58 | bzdougg_ | indeed, but he says there aint any in ther |
| 09:38.00 | bzdougg_ | e |
| 09:38.21 | Patlabor221 | that I find hard to beilve |
| 09:38.50 | bzdougg_ | a sphere... hmm all it needs is the slots.. |
| 09:38.51 | Patlabor221 | http://images.google.com/images?q=christmas+jingle+bell&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en |
| 10:04.47 | Mayhem_ | hi all |
| 10:06.14 | bzdougg_ | 'lo |
| 10:21.19 | Sniper50 | dmp!?!? |
| 10:31.35 | bzdougg_ | booooo |
| 10:31.52 | Mayhem_ | right... |
| 10:37.23 | bzdougg_ | lol |
| 10:38.11 | Mayhem_ | so much to do, so little energy |
| 10:38.25 | bzdougg_ | ZZZZzzzzzzz |
| 10:41.00 | Mayhem_ | ta sussudio :) |
| 10:42.43 | Cell | flipcode images of the day gets better and better |
| 10:43.56 | bzdougg_ | oh? |
| 10:44.09 | Cell | www.flipcode.com |
| 10:44.30 | Cell | love the site, since patlabor221 showed it to me |
| 11:02.21 | bzdougg_ | whoops |
| 11:02.27 | bzdougg_ | I hate it when I do that to chanserv |
| 11:14.56 | bzgirl | hi |
| 11:17.49 | [TeA] | ibot, ducati |
| 11:17.49 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:17.50 | bzbot | xabbu (R): 0 (14-14). Elf.pl (G): 2 (2-0). |
| 11:35.54 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 11:35.54 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:35.55 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:36.01 | [TeA] | ZZZZZZzZzZZZzzzzzzz..... |
| 11:42.49 | jpablo | ducati? |
| 11:42.52 | jpablo | ibot ducati? |
| 11:42.52 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:42.53 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:57.39 | Terminator | hi all |
| 11:57.43 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 11:57.43 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:57.44 | bzbot | MakosTeszta (R): 2 (8-6). CapN (R): 5 (21-16). chris (G): -4 (13-17). prodan (penguins) (G): -4 (7-11). |
| 11:57.50 | Terminator | ah yes |
| 11:58.05 | Terminator | i shall play |
| 11:58.11 | bzdougg_ | ~hi |
| 11:58.11 | | bzdougg_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 11:58.27 | bzdougg_ | ~hello |
| 11:58.27 | | Howdy Bub |
| 11:58.37 | Terminator | lol |
| 11:58.40 | bzdougg_ | ~hello |
| 11:58.40 | | Howdy Bub |
| 11:58.50 | Terminator | ok i actually gonna go play now |
| 11:58.53 | Terminator | oh and |
| 11:58.56 | Terminator | ibot hi |
| 11:58.56 | | hey |
| 11:58.59 | bzdougg_ | lolololololololololololol |
| 11:59.01 | bzdougg_ | ~hi |
| 11:59.02 | | i don't know, bzdougg_ |
| 11:59.02 | Terminator | ibot hello |
| 11:59.02 | | bonjour |
| 11:59.08 | Terminator | ibot hello |
| 11:59.08 | | what's up |
| 11:59.13 | Terminator | ok |
| 11:59.16 | bzdougg_ | ~linux |
| 11:59.16 | | hmm... linux is ruling the world of Open Source! http://www.linux.org or beards |
| 11:59.21 | Terminator | i am away for real now |
| 11:59.22 | bzdougg_ | ~linux |
| 11:59.22 | | linux is, like, ruling the world of Open Source! http://www.linux.org or beards |
| 11:59.25 | bzdougg_ | ok |
| 11:59.27 | bzdougg_ | doke |
| 12:24.28 | doug_schoool | 'lo |
| 12:36.44 | Terminator | hrm there is a [dmp] and a [dmp what about [dm |
| 12:36.56 | [dm | hehe |
| 12:39.48 | [dm | :-) |
| 12:40.50 | [dm | ok fun is over |
| 12:47.39 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 12:47.39 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:47.40 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): 33 (112-79). Freshman (R): -3 (12-15). CapN (R): 40 (137-97). spIn (R): -4 (7-11). brat (G): 8 (32-24). green (G): -1 (5-6). Silver Bullet (R): -5 (5-10). lowlifer (G): -3 (4-7). @SGI (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 12:50.04 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 12:50.04 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:50.05 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): 38 (121-83). Freshman (R): -7 (17-24). CapN (R): 39 (141-102). SGI (R): 0 (2-2). brat (G): 11 (40-29). green (G): 1 (8-7). Silver Bullet (R): -11 (8-19). lowlifer (G): -2 (9-11). |
| 12:52.25 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 12:52.25 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:52.25 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): 39 (125-86). Freshman (R): -11 (21-32). CapN (R): 39 (144-105). SGI (R): 1 (5-4). brat (G): 14 (48-34). Silver Bullet (R): -13 (13-26). lowlifer (G): -4 (13-17). |
| 13:03.04 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 13:03.04 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:03.05 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): 46 (157-111). Freshman (R): -15 (46-61). SGI (R): -1 (30-31). brat (G): 15 (70-55). lowlifer (G): -1 (45-46). |
| 13:05.41 | Terminator | ibot Terminator |
| 13:05.41 | | ACTION thinks Terminator is the leader of The Elite, in fact he is sure and he want somone to challenge them |
| 13:05.55 | Terminator | ibot forget terminator |
| 13:06.04 | Terminator | damn |
| 13:06.09 | Terminator | stupid time thing |
| 13:06.21 | Terminator | that terminator thing is out of of date |
| 13:06.31 | Terminator | the elite are no more |
| 13:06.46 | Terminator | y is it protected by stupid tiem |
| 13:06.51 | Terminator | *time |
| 13:07.45 | [TeA] | hello |
| 13:07.54 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 13:07.54 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:07.55 | bzbot | Ginku (R): 0 (1-1). moop (R): 0 (0-0). SGI (R): 0 (38-38). lowlifer (G): -1 (54-55). |
| 13:08.12 | [TeA] | ibot [TeA} |
| 13:08.12 | | [TeA]: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:08.21 | [TeA] | ibot [TeA] |
| 13:08.21 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, [TeA] |
| 13:08.29 | [TeA] | lol |
| 13:08.32 | [TeA] | ibot t |
| 13:08.32 | | somebody said t was ibot's idiotic master from hell that uses Wind0ze... |
| 13:08.33 | Terminator | hehe |
| 13:08.41 | [TeA] | ibot tea |
| 13:08.41 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, [TeA] |
| 13:08.45 | [TeA] | lol |
| 13:08.50 | [TeA] | ibot tree |
| 13:08.50 | | hmm... tree is a big leafy thing |
| 13:08.56 | [TeA] | Lol |
| 13:09.00 | [TeA] | ibot teatree |
| 13:09.00 | | [TeA]: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:09.14 | Terminator | ibot 12345 is <reply> blah blah blah |
| 13:09.14 | | Terminator: okay |
| 13:09.19 | Terminator | ibot 12345 |
| 13:09.19 | | blah blah blah |
| 13:09.25 | Terminator | ibot forget 12345 |
| 13:09.25 | | Terminator: i forgot 12345 |
| 13:09.30 | Terminator | hrm |
| 13:09.51 | Terminator | maybe because i put in the terminator hting before ibot had his makeover |
| 13:26.38 | Terminator | back |
| 13:29.21 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 13:29.21 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:29.40 | Terminator | damn |
| 13:29.49 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 13:30.14 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 13:30.14 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:30.15 | bzbot | Terminator (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 13:30.25 | Terminator | anyone want to join me? |
| 13:30.44 | Terminator | :-( |
| 13:39.42 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 13:39.42 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:39.43 | bzbot | Terminator (G): 6 (21-15). [TeA|TrEE] (R): -2 (13-15). Oz (G): 1 (2-1). |
| 13:49.30 | Lazarus | hi |
| 13:58.56 | Cell | Patlabor221: u saw that guy on flipcode, who made the shadow demonstration editor? |
| 14:13.17 | doughecka | BOOYEA! |
| 14:13.26 | Terminator | lol |
| 14:13.47 | lurgyman | cmrt |
| 14:15.18 | G0D | hrm |
| 14:16.09 | Patlabor221 | yes I saw that |
| 14:16.22 | GOD | saw what? |
| 14:16.35 | captain_proton | the light coming from your behind |
| 14:16.37 | Cell | its nice |
| 14:16.46 | bzdouggg | yay |
| 14:16.54 | Patlabor221 | butt light? |
| 14:17.08 | bzdouggg | hmmm |
| 14:17.30 | bzdouggg | I cant seem to delete the other half of my sphere in milkshape |
| 14:18.45 | Cell | today i showed my my 3d editor and he was quite ardently |
| 14:18.52 | [TeA] | night all |
| 14:18.55 | Cell | my teacher |
| 14:19.01 | bzdouggg | cya |
| 14:19.02 | bzdouggg | lol |
| 14:19.10 | Cell | night |
| 14:19.13 | [TeA] | tad :o))))))) |
| 14:19.17 | [TeA] | teddy |
| 14:19.18 | [TeA] | hehe |
| 14:19.21 | Cell | teA is from Munich :) |
| 14:19.29 | bzdouggg | yup |
| 14:19.32 | [TeA] | hmm |
| 14:19.36 | [TeA] | correct :o) |
| 14:19.38 | Cell | me too |
| 14:19.42 | [TeA] | was? |
| 14:19.46 | [TeA] | Woher cell? |
| 14:19.58 | Cell | aus neuperlach |
| 14:20.02 | [TeA] | oh gott |
| 14:20.10 | Cell | wieso? |
| 14:20.22 | Cell | kennst du mich? |
| 14:20.22 | [TeA] | brauchst eins aufs mal oder was , voll türkenterror dort |
| 14:20.29 | [TeA] | no |
| 14:20.33 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 14:20.48 | [TeA] | night alllllll |
| 14:20.53 | Cell | ja, ich brauch ein paar auf's maul |
| 14:20.58 | [TeA] | lol |
| 14:21.04 | Cell | :) |
| 14:21.08 | Cell | nacht |
| 14:21.09 | [TeA] | diese ganzen dönertürsteher da |
| 14:21.15 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 14:21.17 | [TeA] | nacht |
| 14:21.19 | Cell | voll krass eh |
| 14:21.27 | [TeA] | ja voll korreckt man e |
| 14:21.28 | [TeA] | y |
| 14:21.29 | [TeA] | ;) |
| 14:21.31 | [TeA] | bye |
| 14:21.36 | Cell | bye |
| 14:23.06 | Cell | ibot x de en "voll krass eh" |
| 14:23.45 | Cell | ibot x de en "Brauchst eins aufs mal oder was , voll türken terror dort" |
| 14:24.12 | Cell | ibot x de en "Brauchst eins aufs maul oder was , voll Türken Terror dort" |
| 14:25.33 | bzdouggg | oh cool |
| 14:25.44 | bzdouggg | make a space craft all mirror, and you cant see it |
| 14:29.56 | lurgyman | um, right |
| 14:34.37 | sussudio | yeah... mirrors are invisible............. |
| 14:34.47 | sussudio | except they REFLECT, not DEFLECT |
| 14:34.51 | bzdouggg | welll it refleats all the stars |
| 14:34.55 | bzdouggg | so you cant see it |
| 14:35.00 | sussudio | yes you can |
| 14:35.29 | sussudio | for it NOT to be seen, you would have to take input from one side and project it onto the other side and vice versa |
| 14:35.42 | bzdouggg | stars are stars |
| 14:35.43 | sussudio | otherwise you would see the reflection of the GROUND when you look at it. |
| 14:35.45 | sussudio | not the stars |
| 14:36.45 | bzdouggg | ground? |
| 14:36.49 | bzdouggg | did I say ground? |
| 14:36.55 | bzdouggg | I said space |
| 14:36.57 | bzdouggg | way out |
| 14:36.59 | sussudio | so |
| 14:37.00 | sussudio | same fucking thing |
| 14:37.01 | bzdouggg | nothing nearby |
| 14:37.31 | sussudio | sure, you go out in your mirrorship and i'll shoot the crap out of it |
| 14:49.59 | captain_proton | bzdouggg: you'd see your own reflection |
| 14:50.22 | captain_proton | (or did you not think of that)/ |
| 14:50.52 | bzdouggg | in povray you dont |
| 14:51.03 | captain_proton | silly silly doug |
| 14:51.12 | captain_proton | whats the point of raytracing an invisible object? |
| 14:51.42 | bzdouggg | if you have a planet behind you, it would show up |
| 14:52.18 | captain_proton | so why not put the planet in front? |
| 14:55.48 | bzdouggg | hack bzflag |
| 14:55.55 | bzdouggg | or the whitehouse |
| 14:56.07 | captain_proton | LGE->bzflag |
| 14:57.13 | bzdouggg | wee rendering at 3840x3072 |
| 15:06.06 | Cell | i found a cool video, its 40 mb but worth it u can download from me if u ask |
| 15:09.24 | Patlabor221 | a video of what? |
| 15:10.39 | Patlabor221 | why 2? |
| 15:10.42 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: care to svn co http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag/lge-port ? :) |
| 15:11.02 | Patlabor221 | I did this morngin |
| 15:11.21 | Patlabor221 | I can 7 up it :) |
| 15:11.30 | captain_proton | 7 up it? |
| 15:11.33 | Patlabor221 | ha I am current :) |
| 15:11.36 | Patlabor221 | svn up :) |
| 15:12.12 | captain_proton | ah |
| 15:12.13 | Patlabor221 | methingks you need dsps for lge in there |
| 15:12.16 | captain_proton | yep |
| 15:12.37 | Patlabor221 | what did you add |
| 15:12.41 | Patlabor221 | just the LGe project? |
| 15:12.49 | captain_proton | include/LGE.h include/3dTypes.h src/lge/* |
| 15:13.10 | Patlabor221 | in it's own project? or into one of the existing ones? |
| 15:13.41 | captain_proton | should be added to the 'bzflag' project |
| 15:14.38 | Patlabor221 | why is view cull.h in the src dir? |
| 15:14.51 | captain_proton | should be in src/lge |
| 15:15.11 | captain_proton | its not a global header (right now) |
| 15:15.17 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 15:16.04 | Patlabor221 | hiting F7 and praying. |
| 15:16.19 | scanline | F7? Is that some voodoo incantation? :) |
| 15:16.44 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:16.53 | scanline | oh, ok. As long as it's voodoo |
| 15:17.11 | Patlabor221 | this builds on your system cap? |
| 15:17.16 | captain_proton | no ;) |
| 15:17.21 | captain_proton | the src/lge stuff builds |
| 15:17.28 | Patlabor221 | allrighty then |
| 15:17.33 | Patlabor221 | well they are in |
| 15:17.41 | Patlabor221 | project don't build tho |
| 15:17.46 | captain_proton | but src/bzflag/ stuff doesn't since i'm working on replacing BzfDisplay+BzfVisual+BzfWindow with LGE |
| 15:18.10 | captain_proton | geez |
| 15:18.13 | captain_proton | doug had 4 clients here?? |
| 15:18.35 | captain_proton | bah |
| 15:18.37 | Patlabor221 | that would make sense with the errors I get |
| 15:19.10 | captain_proton | 1 client is enough for everyone else |
| 15:19.22 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 15:19.56 | Patlabor221 | commting changes |
| 15:20.13 | captain_proton | hah |
| 15:20.16 | scan[redundant] | ooh, look at me, I use a multitasking OS! |
| 15:20.30 | captain_proton | yeah, doug has to log in on separate computers |
| 15:20.35 | scanline | hehe |
| 15:20.45 | Patlabor221 | there you go, dsp's all updated. |
| 15:21.12 | scanline | only took me like 20 lines of Xlib code to do better... ha! |
| 15:21.26 | snowmonkey | hillo |
| 15:22.27 | Patlabor221 | very good |
| 15:22.34 | Cell | how do i offer a dcc server? |
| 15:22.43 | Patlabor221 | you do it there and I'll put it in LGE propper. |
| 15:22.55 | captain_proton | heh |
| 15:22.57 | captain_proton | proper :) |
| 15:23.25 | Patlabor221 | well you got a better name for it? |
| 15:23.37 | Patlabor221 | cell what do you mean DCC server? like a wares thing? |
| 15:23.40 | captain_proton | daddy-LGE |
| 15:23.47 | Cell | yes |
| 15:24.02 | Patlabor221 | cell I think they usualy do it with a bot |
| 15:24.10 | Patlabor221 | cap: LordGod LGE |
| 15:24.20 | Patlabor221 | or someting besides LGE |
| 15:24.29 | Patlabor221 | like "paralax" or something |
| 15:24.42 | Patlabor221 | maybe "The Spleen Engine" |
| 15:24.48 | captain_proton | ibot: who is your daddy? |
| 15:24.48 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 15:24.48 | Patlabor221 | then I can have spleen.lib |
| 15:25.44 | scanline | libspleen.a :P |
| 15:26.06 | scanline | or if you want to use libtool for cross-platform compatibility, you'd have both libspleen.dll and libspleen.so |
| 15:28.33 | Cell | /fserve goat 5 c:\users\level1 level1.txt |
| 15:28.52 | scanline | heh |
| 15:28.54 | captain_proton | hmm, should also be able to toggle between fullscreen and windows |
| 15:28.57 | captain_proton | windowed* |
| 15:29.00 | scanline | Cell: mIRC user are we? |
| 15:29.20 | Cell | i dont understand anything |
| 15:29.34 | captain_proton | well i gotta go to the library, then class, then stuff |
| 15:29.40 | captain_proton | be back in a couple hours or so |
| 15:30.38 | Cell | /fserve goat 5 c:\users\level1 level1.txt |
| 15:31.03 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: want me to commit my current changes? |
| 15:31.26 | Patlabor221 | does it work? |
| 15:31.30 | captain_proton | no ;) |
| 15:31.47 | Patlabor221 | then no |
| 15:31.47 | captain_proton | but if you had the inclination you could continue the porting efforts |
| 15:31.50 | captain_proton | ok |
| 15:32.00 | captain_proton | smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast |
| 15:32.09 | Patlabor221 | what is a kipper? |
| 15:32.32 | Patlabor221 | and : "noone called you ACE in school.. Maybre ACEhole" :) |
| 15:33.07 | Cell | fuck it |
| 15:33.15 | Cell | im out |
| 15:35.35 | Patlabor221 | wny do people get mad when you don't have the info they want? |
| 15:35.57 | Patlabor221 | cap: you can commit it and I can try it in regular LGE |
| 15:36.07 | Patlabor221 | are you making a resize func? |
| 16:11.43 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i have a question for ya |
| 16:13.27 | captain_proton | well, that too, but thats not my question here |
| 16:13.41 | captain_proton | BZFlag: can we ditch 3dfx passthrough support? |
| 16:13.47 | bzdougg_ | beep |
| 16:14.07 | bzdougg_ | beep |
| 16:15.30 | bzdougg_ | check out my povray tanks |
| 16:15.32 | bzdougg_ | http://heckaman.bzflag.org/povray/ |
| 16:15.36 | m0nkeyb0y | hi |
| 16:15.47 | bzdougg_ | I want future tank to look like those |
| 16:15.48 | bzdougg_ | hi |
| 16:15.57 | m0nkeyb0y | captain_proton you there? |
| 16:16.05 | bzdougg_ | ~seen captain_proton |
| 16:16.05 | | captain_proton is currently on #picogui (1d 22m 42s) #bzflag (1d 22m 42s). Has said a total of 274 messages. Is idling for 2m 24s |
| 16:16.19 | captain_proton | m0nkeyb0y: indeed |
| 16:16.40 | m0nkeyb0y | i'm trying to open dutchrai maps with your editor |
| 16:16.43 | m0nkeyb0y | 2.0 |
| 16:16.59 | Patlabor221 | doug those arn't even texurted tanks |
| 16:17.00 | m0nkeyb0y | both of them crash it, but all my other maps work fine with it. |
| 16:17.23 | captain_proton | strange |
| 16:17.26 | bzdougg_ | Patlabor221: I want the mirror barrels |
| 16:17.27 | m0nkeyb0y | 2.0 is your latest version yes? |
| 16:17.27 | bzdougg_ | :) |
| 16:17.28 | Patlabor221 | and they are flat shaded, put some smoothing on there |
| 16:17.35 | bzdougg_ | hm |
| 16:17.37 | captain_proton | m0nkeyb0y: actually there's 2.1, gnome2 |
| 16:17.54 | Patlabor221 | doug: fake environ maps can be done. |
| 16:18.12 | Patlabor221 | doug:it would look similar |
| 16:18.14 | m0nkeyb0y | ahh..i have just gnome |
| 16:18.32 | m0nkeyb0y | but still..his maps cause seg faults with my editor. |
| 16:18.52 | m0nkeyb0y | http://shellshock.web1000.com/download/monsterlab.tar.gz |
| 16:18.56 | captain_proton | you'd still want to cap the end of the barrel in black, not mirror |
| 16:19.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah it would be horibly bad inthe battle field, like "hey I'm hhere hit me" |
| 16:19.07 | m0nkeyb0y | this map will not run for me in bzedit of bzfs |
| 16:19.14 | m0nkeyb0y | or* |
| 16:19.18 | Patlabor221 | well the barrel has to UV's to say of |
| 16:19.52 | captain_proton | m0nkeyb0y: won't run in either? it probably has broken syntax somewhere |
| 16:20.07 | Patlabor221 | monkey gimme like 15 min and I can debug it an see what it is. |
| 16:20.15 | m0nkeyb0y | tnx you patlabor |
| 16:20.43 | m0nkeyb0y | its strange captain...this bat file runs fine for the windows users apparantly. |
| 16:26.09 | bzdougg_ | HEY! |
| 16:26.15 | bzdougg_ | you unbann me now! |
| 16:26.41 | Patlabor221 | you only need 1 account |
| 16:26.47 | bzdougg_ | so? |
| 16:26.57 | bzdougg_ | its currently banning my ip |
| 16:28.13 | Patlabor221 | you are on now |
| 16:28.17 | captain_proton | bzdougg_: its banning a username at an ip |
| 16:28.33 | bzdougg_ | what username? |
| 16:28.46 | captain_proton | the one you were using for that client |
| 16:29.04 | Patlabor221 | pick a name and stick with it. |
| 16:29.29 | bzdougg | humph |
| 16:29.36 | Patlabor221 | kill the other one then |
| 16:30.07 | m0nkeyb0y | heh |
| 16:30.08 | Patlabor221 | OMG he listened. |
| 16:30.17 | bzdougg | happy now? |
| 16:30.18 | m0nkeyb0y | nice work! |
| 16:30.53 | captain_proton | wow, i'm actually posting on laz's board |
| 16:30.59 | m0nkeyb0y | heh |
| 16:31.01 | [dmp] | hmmmm |
| 16:31.05 | [dmp] | ah |
| 16:31.26 | [dmp] | stupid linuxbox.. way to stable :) |
| 16:33.14 | BZFlag | captain_proton: is 4dfx stuff bugging you? I imagine some people still use it, |
| 16:33.22 | BZFlag | I have one around here someplace. |
| 16:33.34 | m0nkeyb0y | i need to cruise soon. any luck with that map patlabor? |
| 16:34.31 | bzdougg | BZFlag.... |
| 16:34.31 | captain_proton | BZFlag: its just the passthrough code is making LGE difficult. i don't know whether SDL handles it internally or not |
| 16:34.34 | m0nkeyb0y | wow did you guys see that low score? -34463 |
| 16:34.55 | bzdougg | ~bzflag |
| 16:34.56 | | i heard bzflag is TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 16:35.08 | captain_proton | haha continual development |
| 16:35.10 | captain_proton | thats funny |
| 16:35.11 | Patlabor221 | monkey, it's crashing me too, I am looking into it |
| 16:35.25 | sussudio | what map |
| 16:35.35 | m0nkeyb0y | well...i am glad its just not mine :) |
| 16:35.40 | m0nkeyb0y | making me worry |
| 16:35.54 | Patlabor221 | monkey, it's screwing up the elemnt reader somehow |
| 16:35.55 | m0nkeyb0y | sussudio: monsterlab |
| 16:36.10 | bzdougg | that a new map? |
| 16:36.13 | sussudio | 128 on jzaun? |
| 16:36.15 | sussudio | lemmesee. |
| 16:36.16 | m0nkeyb0y | yes by dutchrai |
| 16:36.21 | bzdougg | ah |
| 16:36.43 | Patlabor221 | what the hell did they make it in? it's horibly formated. |
| 16:36.47 | m0nkeyb0y | but its working for the win users apparantly |
| 16:37.05 | sussudio | there's tabs in the map instead of spaces... does that fuck things up? |
| 16:37.05 | m0nkeyb0y | thats was what i was going to point out...after it crashed for you :) |
| 16:37.20 | Patlabor221 | it's not suposed to, but it may be the cause |
| 16:37.22 | m0nkeyb0y | isn't that mapeditor? |
| 16:37.26 | Patlabor221 | I will have to look at it lator |
| 16:37.32 | m0nkeyb0y | ok..tnx patlabor |
| 16:37.39 | Patlabor221 | it wasn't made by my editor. |
| 16:37.47 | m0nkeyb0y | hmmm |
| 16:37.56 | m0nkeyb0y | which one is your pat? |
| 16:38.00 | Patlabor221 | and I don't think cap's ether, since we both use the same world class ( at least for a while ) |
| 16:38.02 | Patlabor221 | windows. |
| 16:38.09 | m0nkeyb0y | hmmm |
| 16:38.24 | m0nkeyb0y | try running it with linux bzfs... |
| 16:38.29 | m0nkeyb0y | strange |
| 16:38.29 | sussudio | it also ends in a ^J |
| 16:38.34 | Patlabor221 | I cna't debug that |
| 16:38.50 | BZFlag | captain_proton: well remove it from the lge branch and then fnd someone with a 3dfs to test it. ;-) |
| 16:39.14 | Patlabor221 | like a voodoo 2? |
| 16:39.22 | Patlabor221 | I've got a Voodoo 5 here |
| 16:39.34 | m0nkeyb0y | bzflag > BZFlag Central > BZ News > New map: Monster Lab |
| 16:39.40 | m0nkeyb0y | on laz's forum |
| 16:39.49 | Patlabor221 | may be able to find a 2 somewhere |
| 16:40.07 | m0nkeyb0y | tnx for your time fellas |
| 16:40.09 | m0nkeyb0y | later |
| 16:40.16 | bzdougg | cya |
| 16:40.23 | m0nkeyb0y | and david....quit using anony alias's!! |
| 16:40.27 | m0nkeyb0y | :) |
| 16:40.33 | captain_proton | m0nkeyb0y: heh |
| 16:40.42 | m0nkeyb0y | you getting me into trouble |
| 16:40.45 | m0nkeyb0y | j/k |
| 16:42.09 | sussudio | hmm monsterlab crashed bzedit32 |
| 16:42.14 | sussudio | :-P |
| 16:42.57 | bzdougg | My dogma peed on your karma. |
| 16:43.51 | Patlabor221 | it does that |
| 16:44.10 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't stop at the "end" |
| 16:44.13 | sussudio | it loads after i removed all the CRAP from it |
| 16:44.22 | sussudio | there's extraneous spaces everywhere |
| 16:44.31 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking that's what it was |
| 16:44.42 | Patlabor221 | does it have funky line terminators? |
| 16:44.53 | sussudio | it ends in a ^J |
| 16:45.05 | sussudio | but that wasnt the thing that made it crash |
| 16:45.13 | sussudio | it was the trailing spaces |
| 16:46.14 | captain_proton | straight ticket american constitution party? |
| 16:47.01 | BZFlagVoted | heh. nope, but that sounde like a good idea. ;-) |
| 16:50.31 | captain_proton | hmm, my roommate has a 3dfx passthrough card and it didn't make a difference whether he used -3dfx or not, so it should be fine :) |
| 16:50.43 | captain_proton | time to go do schooly stuff |
| 16:55.20 | Patlabor221 | but cap, does he have a decent main card too? |
| 17:04.40 | Patlabor221 | realy all -3dfx has to do it just not make a window. |
| 17:10.35 | bzdougg | Did YOU vote? |
| 17:10.40 | bzdougg | oh |
| 17:16.30 | bzdougg | hmm, active defences ! http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=569&ncid=738&e=2&u=/nm/20021105/tc_nm/arms_usa_laser_dc |
| 17:17.34 | Patlabor221 | ohh that was a while ago |
| 17:17.50 | Patlabor221 | it's similar to the one that's in the 747 |
| 17:24.59 | sussudio | add 1 line to bzedit32 to replace tabs with spaces before loading the map. that should take care of it. |
| 17:25.20 | Patlabor221 | or just make it handle tabs |
| 17:25.39 | Patlabor221 | it realy should not care at all about white space. |
| 17:26.01 | Patlabor221 | this is what I get for not using CString |
| 17:26.03 | sussudio | or crash |
| 17:26.46 | Patlabor221 | I have some new parsing stuff that I made for BZFlagXL, I'll have to roll it in. |
| 17:27.06 | bzdougg | along with new teleport support? |
| 17:27.19 | Patlabor221 | in the interface? |
| 17:27.24 | bzdougg | yea |
| 17:27.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah that would be at the same time |
| 17:27.35 | bzdougg | ah |
| 17:27.41 | bzdougg | when will that time be? |
| 17:27.42 | bzdougg | :) |
| 17:27.52 | Patlabor221 | yesterday |
| 17:28.00 | bzdougg | hmm? |
| 17:28.07 | Patlabor221 | oh did you miss it? |
| 17:28.19 | bzdougg | problebly |
| 17:28.24 | bzdougg | if this aint a joke |
| 17:28.29 | Patlabor221 | well you'll have to wait till it comes areound again. |
| 17:29.22 | Patlabor221 | I will proialby go back into the edotr when I look into some sort of high level culling |
| 17:29.29 | bzdougg | ah |
| 17:29.33 | bzdougg | k |
| 17:33.05 | Patlabor221 | wow I realy ripped the world class a new one didn't i? |
| 17:38.34 | bzdougg | so is there a new bzedit32 out? |
| 17:38.43 | Patlabor221 | define "out"? |
| 17:39.14 | Patlabor221 | that you can have.. no |
| 17:39.16 | Patlabor221 | that works.. no |
| 17:39.24 | Patlabor221 | that even tupping compiles... no |
| 17:39.33 | bzdougg | k |
| 17:40.05 | Patlabor221 | I should put this in caps Subversion database |
| 17:40.25 | bzdougg | how about groups? |
| 17:41.07 | Patlabor221 | hey you never know |
| 17:41.14 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 17:41.29 | Patlabor221 | it's actualy in prety much shambles now |
| 17:41.45 | bzdougg | hm |
| 17:43.11 | Patlabor221 | it has been ripped anew |
| 17:43.23 | Patlabor221 | and cap will HATE it. |
| 17:43.31 | bzdougg | heh |
| 17:44.11 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what will i hate? |
| 17:44.32 | Patlabor221 | my bz edit if I ever finish it |
| 17:44.36 | captain_proton | heh |
| 17:45.04 | Patlabor221 | it belongs to the church of DLLs |
| 17:45.17 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 17:45.23 | Patlabor221 | and class factories |
| 17:46.39 | captain_proton | my intro to music project group didn't go for my idea |
| 17:46.41 | captain_proton | :P |
| 17:46.42 | Patlabor221 | and choose your own adventure |
| 17:46.50 | Patlabor221 | and that was? |
| 17:47.07 | captain_proton | take a prelude & fugue from the bach well tempered clavier |
| 17:47.25 | captain_proton | and a prelude & fugue from the shostakovich 'prelude fugues' |
| 17:47.29 | captain_proton | that happen to be in the same key |
| 17:47.30 | captain_proton | and merge them |
| 17:47.36 | bzdougg | um |
| 17:47.41 | bzdougg | would that... work? |
| 17:47.46 | captain_proton | yep :) |
| 17:47.58 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 17:47.58 | captain_proton | but they thought it was too ambitious |
| 17:48.01 | captain_proton | lazy bastages |
| 17:48.13 | bzdougg | heh |
| 17:48.26 | captain_proton | it woulda been so cool |
| 17:48.47 | bzdougg | I want a recording of it when you do it |
| 17:48.48 | bzdougg | :) |
| 17:48.52 | Patlabor221 | I should put an IQ test in the editor |
| 17:49.09 | captain_proton | 'you have to be this smart to ride this application' ? |
| 17:49.20 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:49.27 | Patlabor221 | I'll call it the "setup wizard" |
| 17:49.31 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 17:49.32 | bzdougg | is there a ok and cancel button? |
| 17:49.35 | bzdougg | :) |
| 17:49.46 | Patlabor221 | you fail the test doug. |
| 17:50.05 | bzdougg | I get a crack and crack into it |
| 17:50.05 | bzdougg | :) |
| 17:50.16 | captain_proton | then you don't get tech support |
| 17:50.18 | Patlabor221 | who the hell would crack that for you? |
| 17:50.30 | bzdougg | hrm, you |
| 17:51.24 | Patlabor221 | I could make a "map wizzard" and make it have a "15 year old" mode, where it just puts piles of boxes all over the place and makes the map unplayable. |
| 17:51.54 | bzdougg | heh |
| 17:52.35 | sussudio | gerbil mode? |
| 17:52.47 | captain_proton | sussudio: dougmode |
| 17:52.48 | Patlabor221 | cap: how far did you get on the res swich stuff? |
| 17:52.54 | Patlabor221 | baka mode |
| 17:52.56 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: working on it right now |
| 17:52.59 | bzdougg | sussudio mode |
| 17:53.47 | sussudio | this is the reason i dont release programs to the public...... |
| 17:53.47 | sussudio | dougs |
| 17:54.08 | sussudio | "mommy, what's a commandline?" |
| 17:54.16 | bzdougg | you write programs? |
| 17:54.21 | bzdougg | thats a first |
| 17:54.25 | sussudio | hmm no |
| 17:54.36 | sussudio | they've been floating around for about 15 years |
| 17:55.00 | sussudio | longer if you count c64 basic |
| 17:55.06 | bzdougg | ooh, like bolo? |
| 17:55.31 | sussudio | some people actually paid for them too |
| 17:59.13 | captain_proton | hmm, 'SDL_OPENGL | (res.fullscreen ? SDL_FULLSCREEN : 0)' look right for flags? |
| 18:00.13 | Patlabor221 | force full screen on 3dfx too |
| 18:00.34 | captain_proton | how do we know its 3dfx? |
| 18:01.12 | Patlabor221 | and why you gotta make it so tricky, those ? : are a bitch to debug |
| 18:01.18 | Patlabor221 | command line |
| 18:01.22 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:01.33 | captain_proton | that can be forced outside of LGE |
| 18:01.41 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 18:01.49 | Patlabor221 | that makes sense |
| 18:02.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah I don't want to propigate the 3dfx crap |
| 18:02.25 | Patlabor221 | heck you can just let them die if they chose windows proalby |
| 18:37.15 | bzdougg | ~who |
| 18:37.15 | | This bot was generated by a Barrel of Trained Elephants for bzdougg . |
| 19:17.30 | bzdougg | wow |
| 19:17.41 | bzdougg | a realtime raytracing program |
| 19:17.53 | bzdougg | now you can make a raytrace bzflag |
| 19:18.05 | bzdougg | and a small tiny resolution.... |
| 19:23.36 | captain_proton | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 19:24.21 | bzdougg | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 19:32.36 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 19:34.34 | bzdougg | you forgot the ' |
| 19:35.35 | captain_proton | heh |
| 19:35.55 | captain_proton | my roommate and i just calculated the amount of time it would take to boil 2 cups of water in our microwave (making jello) so we know how long to set the timer for |
| 19:36.54 | bzdougg | math? |
| 19:36.55 | bzdougg | wow |
| 19:37.03 | bzdougg | you must be bored |
| 19:37.07 | bzdougg | extremly bored |
| 19:37.27 | captain_proton | not really bored |
| 19:37.30 | captain_proton | just enginerds to the core |
| 19:37.38 | bzdougg | I see... |
| 19:57.40 | MrApathyCream | riker set up cvs, no? |
| 19:58.07 | BZFlagVoted | no. stinking cvs. |
| 19:58.39 | BZFlagVoted | might as well just start a new tree.... /me grumbles about cvs |
| 19:59.03 | bzdougg | BZFlagVoted: sooo, when will we get 1.7e20? |
| 19:59.35 | BZFlagVoted | can't find an easy way to promote a branch to HEAD. have to check in the branch to the head which means a ton of deletes and adds for changed files. |
| 19:59.59 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 20:00.05 | MrApathyCream | voted? |
| 20:00.12 | MrApathyCream | ah, never mind i got it |
| 20:00.15 | MrApathyCream | lil slow |
| 20:00.37 | bzdougg | lol |
| 20:00.42 | bzdougg | gettin' old? |
| 20:01.41 | bzdougg | who did YOU vote for? |
| 20:01.47 | bzdougg | repub, or demo? |
| 20:03.35 | lurgyman | yup |
| 20:03.49 | bzdougg | both? |
| 20:03.56 | bzdougg | or did you vote for the Wig party? |
| 20:04.08 | lurgyman | i voted for Flux J. Neo |
| 20:04.20 | lurgyman | libertarian candidate for CU regent |
| 20:04.28 | lurgyman | he actually ran |
| 20:04.45 | bzdougg | hah |
| 20:04.54 | bzdougg | did he win? |
| 20:05.02 | bzdougg | or was you the only person to vote |
| 20:05.22 | lurgyman | results haven't come back yet in this time zone |
| 20:05.33 | bzdougg | oh |
| 20:05.34 | bzdougg | right |
| 20:09.10 | MrApathyCream | i'm too old to vote |
| 20:09.54 | lurgyman | vote early, vote often |
| 20:10.05 | lurgyman | every day |
| 20:10.08 | bzdougg | too old? |
| 20:12.12 | MrApathyCream | 72, hands shqake too much.. might pick neo by mistake |
| 20:12.26 | bzdougg | ah |
| 20:12.30 | bzdougg | 72 eh? |
| 20:12.51 | bzdougg | whoops past that |
| 20:13.09 | bzdougg | BZFlagVoted: lol |
| 20:13.38 | MrApathyCream | fl is for _really_ old people |
| 20:13.51 | bzdougg | and you are.... |
| 20:14.07 | bzdougg | my grandparents live there |
| 20:15.20 | bzdougg | taco taco taco |
| 20:15.26 | lurgymanVoted | llama llama llama |
| 20:15.33 | bzdougg | piggy piggy piggy |
| 20:16.03 | lurgymanVoted | hamster huey and the gooey kablooie |
| 20:16.11 | bzdougg | ah, you got me there |
| 20:17.08 | bzdouggggg | do you ski much? |
| 20:17.11 | ski | hi all |
| 20:17.21 | ski | as much as i ccan |
| 20:17.23 | captain_proton | BZFlagVoted: you should set up an svn server for bzflag ;0 |
| 20:18.01 | bzdouggggg | lol |
| 20:18.19 | ski | :) |
| 20:18.30 | ski | :D |
| 20:18.49 | ski | i LOVE the new BZ site!! |
| 20:19.00 | captain_proton | laz's or bzflag.org? |
| 20:19.11 | ski | Laz's |
| 20:19.21 | ski | i like the other too of coarse |
| 20:19.26 | ski | heh |
| 20:19.36 | MrApathyCream | 72 is young - you'll still be workin when your that old |
| 20:19.37 | bzdouggggg | BOOYEA! |
| 20:19.47 | bzdouggggg | MrApathyCream: workin at bzflag sure |
| 20:20.05 | bzdouggggg | Bzflag inc. |
| 20:20.13 | captain_proton | maybe we can get 1.7e10 out by then ;) |
| 20:20.21 | ski | im DL the new E6 |
| 20:20.29 | bzdouggggg | new E6? |
| 20:20.30 | ski | well i guess its not that new |
| 20:20.38 | bzdouggggg | lol |
| 20:20.42 | ski | im just finally getting around to dling it |
| 20:21.07 | bzdouggggg | heh |
| 20:21.13 | ski | i was worried it might give me worse lag problems |
| 20:21.37 | ski | as of now with e4 im always at around 300ms |
| 20:21.42 | MrApathyCream | s/b better actually as long as you have a good card |
| 20:21.43 | bzdouggggg | heh |
| 20:22.04 | ski | i have a geforce2 64mb |
| 20:22.37 | bzdouggggg | should be fine |
| 20:22.43 | ski | cool |
| 20:22.51 | bzdouggggg | if you have dsl |
| 20:22.53 | bzdouggggg | or cable |
| 20:22.56 | bzdouggggg | or T1 |
| 20:23.01 | ski | :( |
| 20:23.06 | bzdouggggg | or a dial up |
| 20:23.13 | ski | i:) |
| 20:23.17 | bzdouggggg | not recommeded |
| 20:23.18 | ski | lol |
| 20:23.19 | bzdouggggg | lol |
| 20:23.35 | ski | well, it just finished... |
| 20:23.42 | ski | im goin to try it out |
| 20:23.51 | captain_proton | e6 works quite well with dialup, so long as everyone is using it |
| 20:23.56 | bzdouggggg | hah |
| 20:24.16 | ski | ill be back in a little bit |
| 20:24.44 | ski | cya all thx for the info |
| 20:25.15 | bzdouggggg | lol |
| 20:25.16 | bzdouggggg | ok |
| 20:25.17 | bzdouggggg | cya |
| 20:25.18 | bzdouggggg | bye |
| 20:25.44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: any interest in helping out with the lge port? :) |
| 20:26.27 | MrApathyCream | yup, but not tonite unfortunately |
| 20:26.38 | MrApathyCream | wifeeboo has other work plans |
| 20:26.43 | captain_proton | oh? |
| 20:40.11 | MrApathyCream | :( |
| 20:43.55 | lurgymanVoted | --> no he hasn't |
| 20:44.46 | lurgymanVoted | * no he isn't |
| 20:45.11 | lurgymanVoted | er, 13*0 no he isn't |
| 20:45.30 | lurgymanVoted | 13*0 not a sausage |
| 20:51.00 | SpacemanSpiff | Ahh... question guys....... |
| 20:51.11 | SpacemanSpiff | How do I do a blanket IP ban??? |
| 20:51.27 | captain_proton | like a subnet? |
| 20:51.43 | SpacemanSpiff | I mean.. like to ban cheaters with static ip |
| 20:52.00 | captain_proton | well get their IP with /playerlist |
| 20:52.02 | captain_proton | then /ban <ip> |
| 20:52.13 | SpacemanSpiff | I hear you do it with the * mark....... but how? |
| 20:52.24 | captain_proton | you don't need the * if they have a static IP |
| 20:52.29 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm talking about a player who's IP changes every time they connect |
| 20:52.37 | captain_proton | (thats dynamic, not static) |
| 20:52.42 | SpacemanSpiff | ahhh... gotcha |
| 20:52.50 | captain_proton | replace the last octet of their address with the wildcard |
| 20:52.52 | SpacemanSpiff | Sorry... terminology stupid |
| 20:53.04 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... so after the colon? |
| 20:53.12 | captain_proton | ...what colon? |
| 20:53.18 | BZFrank | hi |
| 20:53.24 | captain_proton | an ip address looks like xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 20:53.28 | SpacemanSpiff | Like 23.45.2.73:3541 |
| 20:53.35 | captain_proton | ignore the colon |
| 20:53.41 | captain_proton | thats their downlink port |
| 20:53.50 | captain_proton | ban 23.45.2.* |
| 20:53.58 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... I get it now |
| 20:54.15 | SpacemanSpiff | So when I've banned players and included the colon.. the ban wasn't effective? |
| 20:55.19 | captain_proton | *shrug* |
| 20:55.42 | SpacemanSpiff | By the way... who keeps changing the BZ Cop password? |
| 20:57.33 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie....... NOW the cheater is banned |
| 20:57.52 | SpacemanSpiff | He claimed he was beta testing v 1.8 for you guys... and he was un-kickable |
| 20:58.11 | BZFrank | sure ;) |
| 20:58.27 | BZFrank | 1.8 does not connect with 1.7 servers |
| 20:58.39 | SpacemanSpiff | Exactly |
| 20:59.06 | SpacemanSpiff | And he was using the callsign Agonizer... but then he left and came back using Gerbil.. and then did the same with my callsign |
| 20:59.29 | SpacemanSpiff | So... if you see someone out there who's pretending to be a veteran player but acting totally different.. don't trust them |
| 20:59.45 | BZFrank | a poser - should be tar & feathered! |
| 20:59.54 | BZFrank | *evil grin* |
| 21:00.34 | BZFrank | maybe you lend it to spacemanspiff ;) |
| 21:01.34 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL.... I agree BZFrank |
| 21:01.58 | SpacemanSpiff | But word to the wise.. don't use the word "poser" when Sussudio is around.. he will throw the dictionary at you |
| 21:02.05 | SpacemanSpiff | (I'm speaking from experience) |
| 21:02.45 | BZFrank | imposter then ;) |
| 21:03.21 | BZFrank | at least i speak engish better than sussudio German ;) |
| 21:03.33 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 21:03.43 | captain_proton | but do you speak dutch? |
| 21:03.52 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 21:03.59 | BZFrank | not very much |
| 21:04.06 | SpacemanSpiff | Italian here... don't speak too much though |
| 21:04.17 | SpacemanSpiff | My grandma was born in Naples, Italy actually |
| 21:05.07 | BZFrank | but i can speak swabian (a totally incomprehensible dialect of german), does this qualify in the odd langauge contest *eg* |
| 21:05.46 | BZFrank | not that is want to say italian or dutch is odd ;) |
| 21:06.09 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... I banned that jerk and he is STILL back |
| 21:06.16 | SpacemanSpiff | How do I get rid of him? |
| 21:06.18 | BZFrank | got another ip |
| 21:07.10 | BZFrank | lets see, he is not using a Class C address, that means that just banning for the last number in the ip does not work |
| 21:07.52 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... he said that he has a static ip, not a dynamic |
| 21:07.57 | SpacemanSpiff | Does that help any? |
| 21:08.09 | captain_proton | if he has a static IP, just banning the IP address should work |
| 21:08.28 | SpacemanSpiff | I did that though.. a few times now |
| 21:08.33 | SpacemanSpiff | Nouthing has happened |
| 21:08.39 | BZFrank | then you should be able to ban him just by the ip not wildcards |
| 21:08.50 | BZFrank | can you check his ip now? |
| 21:09.04 | SpacemanSpiff | Yes |
| 21:09.16 | captain_proton | BZFlagVoted: we'll get there :P |
| 21:09.19 | BZFrank | still the same as last time? |
| 21:09.54 | SpacemanSpiff | Yes |
| 21:10.00 | SpacemanSpiff | And he still comes back |
| 21:10.25 | BZFrank | then something is broken in the server - are you sure you supplied the correct command or your server can ban people? |
| 21:10.35 | SpacemanSpiff | Yep |
| 21:10.51 | captain_proton | check the ban list |
| 21:10.51 | SpacemanSpiff | The /ban ip etc. command |
| 21:11.10 | BZFrank | shutdown the server and restart, ban him on the ip alone before he comes back |
| 21:11.38 | SpacemanSpiff | How do you check the ban list? /ban list ? |
| 21:11.41 | BZFrank | if this does not work call the marines ;) |
| 21:12.34 | BZFrank | there should be some documentation, these are the files with the *.cxx suffix *eg* |
| 21:12.57 | SpacemanSpiff | His ip is 68.15.20.88 |
| 21:13.02 | SpacemanSpiff | And he is STILL coming back |
| 21:13.33 | BZFrank | you banned him on that? |
| 21:14.07 | captain_proton | BZFrank: *.h are often better for quick documentation |
| 21:14.32 | BZFrank | except if you need the /commands |
| 21:15.16 | BZFrank | otherwise i concur |
| 21:15.21 | SpacemanSpiff | OKay... I reset the server... do I actually have to shut the server off though? |
| 21:15.31 | SpacemanSpiff | It's noodleroni... a timed server |
| 21:15.44 | SpacemanSpiff | So I did a /superkill |
| 21:15.53 | BZFrank | don't know, captain any idea? |
| 21:16.17 | captain_proton | /ban's only work for the duration of the server |
| 21:16.25 | SpacemanSpiff | I just know that I can't shut it off without Noodleman around to turn it back on... it's his server |
| 21:16.28 | captain_proton | you need to ban the ip on the command line in the script |
| 21:16.43 | SpacemanSpiff | Oh boy... I'll have to talk to Noodleman about that |
| 21:17.58 | SpacemanSpiff | Just a curious question... what do I need to learn in order to hack? |
| 21:18.09 | captain_proton | hack what? |
| 21:18.26 | SpacemanSpiff | Hack.. anything... maybe a cheated player? |
| 21:18.40 | captain_proton | explain |
| 21:18.49 | BZFrank | another one of these SPRAY servers, tststs |
| 21:19.02 | SpacemanSpiff | Say I wanted to hack a cheater player and mess him up a little... what would I need to learn to do that? |
| 21:19.07 | captain_proton | BZFrank: yeah :P |
| 21:19.15 | SpacemanSpiff | I don't want to do permanent damage... just scare cheaters off |
| 21:19.17 | captain_proton | SpacemanSpiff: you do realize thats illegal? |
| 21:19.23 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 21:19.27 | SpacemanSpiff | I suppose so |
| 21:19.58 | BZFrank | I hate them, just like using a hosepipe... |
| 21:20.06 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 21:20.08 | SpacemanSpiff | Ouch |
| 21:20.38 | SpacemanSpiff | Really, more than anything... I'd like to know how to combat hackers |
| 21:20.46 | captain_proton | get a firewall |
| 21:20.49 | SpacemanSpiff | I know of a few players who have had hacker troubles |
| 21:21.07 | SpacemanSpiff | Won't that mess my connection to bz up? |
| 21:21.15 | captain_proton | not if its configured properly |
| 21:21.36 | SpacemanSpiff | I have Norton Firewall... came with our Norton SystemWorks package |
| 21:21.42 | SpacemanSpiff | Is that good enough? |
| 21:22.27 | captain_proton | probably |
| 21:22.30 | BZFrank | if correctly installed it will detect and rject most attacks (note the IF ;)) |
| 21:22.40 | SpacemanSpiff | Great |
| 21:22.41 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 21:22.49 | BZFrank | it all depends on your ruleset you gave him |
| 21:23.15 | SpacemanSpiff | Okay... so, back to hacking etc..... where do I learn all of that computer stuff? |
| 21:23.23 | SpacemanSpiff | I want to learn C and C++ really |
| 21:24.01 | BZFrank | norton uses the old AtGuard personal firewall, but it does not block norton tools at all, all a trojan needs to do is to disguise as a norton tool |
| 21:24.19 | captain_proton | well, to learn C++ one of the better books is "teach yourself C++ in 21 days" |
| 21:24.42 | SpacemanSpiff | Anything online that I can read about it first? To kinda see what I'm up against etc. |
| 21:24.58 | captain_proton | there's a decent introductory tutorial at cplusplus.com |
| 21:25.27 | BZFrank | "C++ for fame and profit in 3 hours" ;) |
| 21:25.38 | SpacemanSpiff | P.S.- Was only joking about hacking... but it does seem interesting |
| 21:26.37 | SpacemanSpiff | The BZ sources and stuff use C++, right? |
| 21:26.50 | captain_proton | yep, bz is pretty much all C++ |
| 21:27.29 | SpacemanSpiff | I still would like to end up getting involved with development one day |
| 21:27.29 | BZFrank | yep |
| 21:27.29 | MrApathyCream | BZFlagVoted: patches welcome ;) |
| 21:27.38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: heh |
| 21:28.00 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: so what does the 'wifeepoo' have planned? |
| 21:28.45 | SpacemanSpiff | Just one last question...... |
| 21:29.10 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm on Windows ME ( Yeah, I know, it bites), will that effect anything I want to do with C++? |
| 21:29.18 | BZFrank | later |
| 21:29.35 | captain_proton | well you'll need a compiler to do anything with C++, there are some decent windows ports of g++ that have the virtue of being free |
| 21:29.53 | captain_proton | to develop bzflag on windows you need to get MS visual C++, which is kinda expensive |
| 21:29.54 | SpacemanSpiff | Yep... lookin' at a Borland one right now |
| 21:30.13 | SpacemanSpiff | What if I want to program my own stuff? |
| 21:30.23 | captain_proton | any old compiler will do for that |
| 21:31.04 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm kinda interested in new vehicles in bz... for personal play with friends.. is that feasable? |
| 21:31.25 | captain_proton | what kind of new vehicles? |
| 21:31.41 | SpacemanSpiff | Like.... a hovercraft or something... |
| 21:32.03 | SpacemanSpiff | Maybe a faster vehicle... a motor cycle or something wierd like that |
| 21:32.17 | captain_proton | well just about anything is -possible- |
| 21:32.22 | captain_proton | it would be pretty difficult though |
| 21:32.27 | SpacemanSpiff | LoL |
| 21:32.34 | SpacemanSpiff | Yeah... bz's been in the making for a long time |
| 21:32.45 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: boring house cleaning |
| 21:33.01 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: awww |
| 21:33.06 | captain_proton | you two should be out partaying |
| 21:33.12 | SpacemanSpiff | So, if I got Linux, would it simplify developing BZ? |
| 21:33.26 | captain_proton | well perhaps not simplify |
| 21:33.31 | captain_proton | since you'd be learning linux too |
| 21:33.35 | captain_proton | but its cheaper than MSVC++ |
| 21:33.52 | SpacemanSpiff | I'd like to help out... but I'm not going to spend tons of money on BZ... it's pointless |
| 21:34.09 | SpacemanSpiff | Unless I have a future as a programmer and I need the program, LoL |
| 21:34.09 | MrApathyCream | actually you'd be spending tons of money on you |
| 21:34.24 | captain_proton | yes indeedy |
| 21:34.39 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie... so how much are we talkin'? |
| 21:34.47 | MrApathyCream | i you 'need to program' you probably never will be a good one |
| 21:35.29 | SpacemanSpiff | Hey... I'm new to this stuff :P |
| 21:36.08 | MrApathyCream | just saying if you see it as a duty, you won't get far |
| 21:36.22 | SpacemanSpiff | I don't... I really want to learn |
| 21:36.23 | MrApathyCream | it's fine not to know much |
| 21:36.30 | SpacemanSpiff | I just don't have a clue so far |
| 21:36.35 | MrApathyCream | that's fine |
| 21:36.40 | SpacemanSpiff | I don't know what I need, and I don't know how much it costs |
| 21:36.44 | SpacemanSpiff | Etc. |
| 21:37.27 | captain_proton | well if you want to go the linux route, its either free (if you want to download a few cds worth of data) or about $10 to mail order |
| 21:37.59 | SpacemanSpiff | And after that, where do I go? |
| 21:38.05 | captain_proton | it looks like visual C++ runs around $100 |
| 21:38.12 | SpacemanSpiff | That's not bad |
| 21:38.34 | MrApathyCream | vc is very nice |
| 21:39.04 | SpacemanSpiff | When I get my own pc, I plan on running Linux anyway... I hear that it's a good OS |
| 21:39.18 | captain_proton | its a good OS, but not for the lazy |
| 21:39.25 | captain_proton | it takes a lot of effort to learn |
| 21:39.56 | SpacemanSpiff | Hmm... does that mean I'm going to have to learn some special kinda programming language to run it or something? |
| 21:40.30 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm up for any challenge.. as long as it is a TINY bit possible, I'm willing to try |
| 21:41.18 | captain_proton | its possible |
| 21:41.50 | SpacemanSpiff | Is there good instuctional stuff on Linux that I could learn from? |
| 21:42.03 | captain_proton | lots |
| 21:42.14 | SpacemanSpiff | Good.... I'm up for the challenge then |
| 21:42.23 | SpacemanSpiff | Although I hear that Windows XP is really nice :S |
| 21:43.39 | SpacemanSpiff | Ahh... must get to bed... school tomorrow |
| 21:43.47 | SpacemanSpiff | It's about midnight here |
| 21:44.14 | SpacemanSpiff | I'll catch ya around guys... thanks for putting up with my dumb questions |
| 21:44.43 | SpacemanSpiff | God bless..... bye :o) |
| 22:41.17 | lurgymanVoted | i have no keyboard |
| 22:56.15 | captain_proton | sup Patlabor221 mah shiz |
| 22:57.20 | Patlabor221 | greetings fellow programer |
| 22:57.32 | Patlabor221 | yes it is I your compatriot Patlabot221 |
| 22:57.39 | Patlabor221 | how goes it my man? |
| 22:57.40 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 22:57.56 | captain_proton | busy with homework, not able to think about res switching :P |
| 22:58.17 | Patlabor221 | homework? |
| 22:58.19 | Patlabor221 | what is that? |
| 22:58.31 | captain_proton | stuff us students have to do |
| 22:58.54 | Patlabor221 | ohhhhh yeah that school stuff |
| 22:58.58 | Patlabor221 | I remember that |
| 23:02.02 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: wanna work on the lge port? |
| 23:02.14 | MrApathyCream | proton is busy |
| 23:02.31 | MrApathyCream | --just kiddin-- |
| 23:03.07 | Patlabor221 | I can try |
| 23:03.10 | MrApathyCream | so what'ou guys trying to accomplish with this lge thingy? |
| 23:03.25 | Patlabor221 | clean up of gl setup |
| 23:03.26 | captain_proton | LGE is a lot simpler to use than all the platform stuff |
| 23:03.31 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:03.39 | Patlabor221 | and it uses SDL so it makes it easer to port |
| 23:03.47 | captain_proton | plus it uses SDL, so there's a ~15% performance increase |
| 23:04.01 | Patlabor221 | increase? realy? |
| 23:04.08 | MrApathyCream | yes, how so? |
| 23:04.09 | Patlabor221 | why does SDL make it faster? |
| 23:04.19 | captain_proton | yeah, SDL stuff is a lot more efficient at gl interfacing |
| 23:04.21 | captain_proton | at least with X |
| 23:04.42 | MrApathyCream | so your going thru sdl rather direct to opengl? |
| 23:04.48 | MrApathyCream | for everything, or... |
| 23:04.53 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:04.55 | Patlabor221 | just setup |
| 23:05.04 | Patlabor221 | making window |
| 23:05.06 | captain_proton | sdl just sets up the window & sdl surface |
| 23:05.07 | Patlabor221 | fliping |
| 23:05.28 | Patlabor221 | it can do some simple camera stuff but I don't think bz will use it |
| 23:05.55 | Patlabor221 | it also has a 3d point class |
| 23:06.04 | Patlabor221 | well not class |
| 23:06.08 | Patlabor221 | it has a 3d math file |
| 23:06.19 | Patlabor221 | with stuff for points vectors and matixes |
| 23:06.52 | Patlabor221 | texture manager is the one I realy would like in there |
| 23:09.24 | MrApathyCream | so your using for window creating, resolution setting, NOT media, setting settings (RGBA, STENCIL, etc) |
| 23:09.27 | MrApathyCream | that the idea? |
| 23:09.45 | captain_proton | setting settings is done through sdl |
| 23:09.55 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 23:09.57 | captain_proton | media can be done through sdl but its better to do elsewhere |
| 23:10.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:10.21 | Patlabor221 | I have a seperate texure manager |
| 23:10.27 | Patlabor221 | dosn't use SDL at all |
| 23:10.37 | MrApathyCream | when BigTime gets cvs up, i'll move back the png stuff |
| 23:10.46 | MrApathyCream | s/BigTime/BigTim/ |
| 23:11.18 | Patlabor221 | did the png stuff us a lib or was it all origonal code? |
| 23:11.23 | captain_proton | it would be nice to have the MediaFile stuff backported |
| 23:11.28 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: original |
| 23:11.36 | MrApathyCream | well, original, except the compression lib |
| 23:11.42 | Patlabor221 | zlib? |
| 23:11.46 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:12.12 | Patlabor221 | I need to look at puting png into TextureManager |
| 23:14.28 | Patlabor221 | tho we soudn't call it LGE since it's now "bastard" lge :) |
| 23:14.39 | Patlabor221 | cap did you get aproval to make all the files CPP? |
| 23:15.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not yet |
| 23:15.36 | Patlabor221 | has he said anything on the subject? |
| 23:16.04 | captain_proton | nope |
| 23:16.47 | captain_proton | yay. conservative president, conservative house, conservative senate, conservative governer, conservative state house, conservative state senate... |
| 23:17.38 | MrApathyCream | really? repubs got majority? |
| 23:17.42 | captain_proton | ooh, don't forget the conservative supreme court |
| 23:21.11 | lurgyman | repubs also got majority through our entire state |
| 23:25.37 | lurgyman | but not the CU board of regents |
| 23:25.38 | lurgyman | yet |
| 23:25.47 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: so what is tim going to do with cvs, given it's uncooperative state |
| 23:27.05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: it looks like he's pondering a mass delete/add |
| 23:29.38 | captain_proton | we have a LOT of jello |
| 23:35.03 | Patlabor221 | like how much? |
| 23:35.15 | Patlabor221 | 1.6 metric tons? |
| 23:35.48 | captain_proton | we have to exit out the window because the door is held shut |