| 00:12.23 | MrApathyCream | found the *nix command for creating a directory yet, cappy? |
| 00:12.52 | Patlabor221 | they don't have mkdir? |
| 00:15.01 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: mkdir |
| 00:32.22 | captain_proton | M_A_C: i'll get the linux cachedir working, care to start integrating chestal/akira? |
| 00:33.40 | M_A_C | k |
| 00:33.44 | M_A_C | where to svn, cvs? |
| 00:33.49 | captain_proton | cvs |
| 00:33.53 | M_A_C | k |
| 00:34.13 | captain_proton | lets get e8 out the door then look to the svn code |
| 00:34.18 | M_A_C | k |
| 00:35.26 | MrApathyCream | if you'd like to put some kind of lifo cache clearing thing in, that would be woowoo |
| 00:35.42 | MrApathyCream | fifo |
| 00:36.15 | captain_proton | hmm i could do that via ctime info on the file |
| 00:36.34 | MrApathyCream | maybe the dir could be config-able from bzc |
| 00:36.46 | MrApathyCream | but whatever |
| 00:37.16 | MrApathyCream | i spose tim never said what his timetable/featureset was for e8, eh? |
| 00:37.21 | captain_proton | the location of .bzc isn't config-able, no real reason for the cache to be |
| 00:37.27 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 00:37.44 | captain_proton | $HOME/.bzflag-cache works for me |
| 00:37.50 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 00:38.47 | MrApathyCream | need to touch the mod date everytime we access it |
| 00:40.30 | captain_proton | ohh you want to kill the least-recently-used file? |
| 00:40.35 | captain_proton | easy 'nuff |
| 00:40.42 | captain_proton | just touch on load and check mtime |
| 00:42.15 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 00:42.35 | MrApathyCream | well, perhaps we should keep 10, 15, dunno of them |
| 00:42.48 | captain_proton | why not have a configable cache-dir size? |
| 00:42.57 | MrApathyCream | that's good |
| 00:43.21 | MrApathyCream | bytes or #files? |
| 00:43.35 | captain_proton | # of files is easier |
| 00:43.39 | MrApathyCream | yes, |
| 00:43.43 | MrApathyCream | should be good enough |
| 00:43.59 | MrApathyCream | world packets aren't that big, even for big worlds |
| 00:44.06 | captain_proton | does the patch cache on random world? |
| 00:44.20 | MrApathyCream | yes,... probably shouldn't |
| 00:44.29 | MrApathyCream | maybe server just doesn't respond |
| 00:44.37 | MrApathyCream | to wanthash in that case |
| 00:45.19 | captain_proton | could be |
| 00:45.23 | MrApathyCream | although that means client has to wait the full time |
| 00:45.39 | MrApathyCream | prhaps, a 0 length world shouldbe returned signifying |
| 00:45.43 | MrApathyCream | don't use cache |
| 00:45.53 | MrApathyCream | 0 length hash |
| 00:45.55 | MrApathyCream | thatis |
| 00:46.06 | captain_proton | whoops |
| 00:47.45 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 00:49.01 | MrApathyCream | almost clean patch |
| 00:49.06 | MrApathyCream | checkin |
| 00:49.43 | MrApathyCream | g |
| 01:05.05 | MrApathyCream | hmm wonder if panel.rgb is still in cvs |
| 01:06.20 | captain_proton | looks like it is |
| 01:07.31 | MrApathyCream | seems to work |
| 01:07.40 | MrApathyCream | although i don't get the panel |
| 01:07.46 | MrApathyCream | also half screen is the default |
| 01:08.03 | MrApathyCream | are we sposed to get the panel? |
| 01:08.23 | MrApathyCream | do you know is it all config-able thru bzc? |
| 01:09.06 | MrApathyCream | chestal wake up: |
| 01:10.34 | captain_proton | i've never used chestal's patch |
| 01:13.01 | MrApathyCream | config-able thru bzc... |
| 01:13.10 | MrApathyCream | ugly by default |
| 01:13.23 | captain_proton | ugly by default? ew |
| 01:15.49 | MrApathyCream | ok. got it. now by default it's like e6 |
| 01:16.06 | MrApathyCream | --scoundrels-- ;) |
| 01:16.09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: whats the BzfString equivalent of c_str() ? |
| 01:16.16 | MrApathyCream | getString() i think |
| 01:17.12 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:23.20 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 01:23.30 | MrApathyCream | c/a seems to work ok |
| 01:23.40 | MrApathyCream | repost diff? |
| 01:23.48 | MrApathyCream | or |
| 01:23.53 | MrApathyCream | bwhahahah |
| 01:24.22 | captain_proton | lemme get it all compiling |
| 01:38.59 | captain_proton | thanks |
| 01:41.19 | MrApathyCream | the era ends ? --> http://www.timmyp3.rcthost.com/bzflag/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136 |
| 01:44.25 | captain_proton | help frank with 2501? how did he help frank? |
| 01:44.36 | MrApathyCream | no spent money on ezboard |
| 01:45.10 | captain_proton | * I will no longer help Frank with P2501 |
| 01:45.18 | MrApathyCream | emm, dunno |
| 01:45.30 | MrApathyCream | rcam II |
| 01:46.35 | MrApathyCream | doobeedoo |
| 01:50.10 | captain_proton | i think it got md5 hacked to the point where it compiles |
| 01:52.09 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 01:52.18 | MrApathyCream | all of it? |
| 01:54.19 | captain_proton | well it compiles |
| 01:54.27 | captain_proton | not sure if it'll run/work as intended |
| 01:54.37 | MrApathyCream | cache clean out in? |
| 01:54.45 | captain_proton | nope |
| 01:54.50 | captain_proton | i was watching a movie, 'member? |
| 01:55.01 | MrApathyCream | brother.... |
| 02:08.42 | captain_proton | hmm bzfs segfaults on game-end with ricochet turned on |
| 02:12.16 | captain_proton | hmm jumping too |
| 02:12.21 | captain_proton | but not when those options are eschewed |
| 02:16.26 | captain_proton | hmm, i oughta write an ethereal plugin for bz |
| 02:23.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: updated |
| 02:35.32 | captain_proton | sleepytime for me |
| 02:35.36 | hoda | rite |
| 02:36.46 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ponder this: why does bzfs reread the map file on game-end when the last player quits? |
| 02:37.28 | captain_proton | 'night all |
| 02:37.52 | hoda | nite |
| 04:11.02 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 04:11.02 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:11.04 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 04:11.11 | [TeA] | ZZZZZZZZZzZzZzzzzz..... |
| 04:34.14 | [TeA] | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 04:34.15 | bzbot | Chacho (r): -14 (32-46). SomeBadChickin !! (r): 7 (14-7). Nemesis (r): -8 (5-13). |
| 04:42.46 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 04:42.46 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:42.47 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 05:02.42 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 05:02.42 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:02.43 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 06:24.19 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 06:24.19 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 06:24.20 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 06:33.43 | [TeA] | ho |
| 06:33.51 | [TeA] | ibot d |
| 06:33.51 | | PicoBot: e |
| 06:33.57 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 06:33.57 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 06:33.59 | bzbot | brat (R): 4 (15-11). bzlynx (G): -4 (11-15). |
| 07:12.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducati |
| 07:12.20 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 07:12.21 | bzbot | nobody (G): 0 (2-2). fuchs (R): 0 (2-2). |
| 07:28.47 | [dmp] | bzflag is not funny when only having 9fps :( |
| 07:34.38 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 07:34.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducati |
| 07:34.47 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 07:34.48 | bzbot | nobody (G): -12 (25-37). asdf (G): 3 (6-3). lolita (R): 4 (20-16). |
| 07:46.40 | [dmp] | What does Mesa GLX Indirect mean? |
| 07:49.44 | [dmp] | ah nice, bzflag fucked my desktop. |
| 07:53.49 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: does it reread world files or only generate new random worlds on last player quit |
| 07:59.38 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducati |
| 07:59.38 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 07:59.39 | bzbot | nobody (G): -13 (22-35). asdf (G): 53 (90-37). lolita (R): -5 (78-83). FERNY (R): -11 (14-25). DeadMeat (R): 0 (15-15). Walleye (G): -4 (10-14). Ender (R): -4 (6-10). airbornarmyeric (G): 1 (13-12). |
| 08:04.26 | Chestal | hi |
| 08:04.37 | Chestal | read something about the akira patch in backlogs |
| 08:04.50 | MrApathyCream | updated to latest cvs |
| 08:05.25 | Chestal | SILENCE need to be documented |
| 08:05.40 | Chestal | along with this, release should include manpages in HTML format for Windows users |
| 08:05.59 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:06.20 | MrApathyCream | also, the name 'background' somehow conflicted with opengl, so changed to backgroundColor |
| 08:06.33 | MrApathyCream | (on win32) |
| 08:06.50 | MrApathyCream | that patch doesn't use panel.rgb? |
| 08:06.58 | Chestal | it does |
| 08:07.08 | MrApathyCream | hmm, didn't see it come up |
| 08:07.17 | MrApathyCream | trying again |
| 08:07.22 | Chestal | it does when you switch to old GUI |
| 08:07.29 | MrApathyCream | checking |
| 08:07.39 | Chestal | ah,stimmt, jo, besser als heute |
| 08:07.40 | Chestal | oops |
| 08:10.10 | MrApathyCream | hmmm maybe it's this background variable problem that's causing it |
| 08:10.55 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 08:11.01 | Chestal | so, you took our patch and tried tro adjust it to current CVS? |
| 08:11.04 | MrApathyCream | in your patch you had two vars named background in ControlPanel |
| 08:11.07 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 08:11.29 | MrApathyCream | hmm, maybe i should do it again |
| 08:11.47 | Chestal | do peopel agree that it should go in? |
| 08:11.56 | MrApathyCream | cappy and i do |
| 08:12.01 | MrApathyCream | haven't seen riker |
| 08:12.02 | Chestal | AFAIK the only thing that is in CVS right now is adjustable translucency via config file |
| 08:12.09 | MrApathyCream | yes, that was mine |
| 08:12.42 | Chestal | Tim used to have an aversion against too many options, don't know why |
| 08:12.50 | MrApathyCream | yeah, i know |
| 08:12.53 | Chestal | but I must say, that some things of the patch are not too pretty |
| 08:13.06 | MrApathyCream | will try to remerge i guess, |
| 08:14.32 | Chestal | I would assume, that not too many changes are needed |
| 08:14.47 | Chestal | I must check out the server side |
| 08:15.02 | Chestal | the new team killing feature and the changes to the timelimit |
| 08:15.25 | MrApathyCream | also dud flags not spawning now |
| 08:15.46 | Chestal | dud flags? |
| 08:15.50 | Chestal | ah |
| 08:15.58 | MrApathyCream | jump f in a jump world |
| 08:15.59 | MrApathyCream | etc |
| 08:16.25 | Chestal | AFAIK on jumping worlds, jump flags weren't created? or is it when peopel explicitly specified the flag? |
| 08:16.42 | MrApathyCream | jump flags aren't in the must have list |
| 08:16.56 | MrApathyCream | er, i mean |
| 08:17.03 | MrApathyCream | jump flags aren't in the extra's list |
| 08:17.09 | MrApathyCream | but are in the mandatory 'must have' set |
| 08:17.14 | Chestal | I was wondering about time limited games and the /countdown command |
| 08:17.49 | Chestal | two question: when a time limit is specified as server option, should it start automatically. If so, how to do manually initiadted timed games |
| 08:18.05 | Chestal | second question: mayeb /countdown should work without admin rights? |
| 08:24.13 | [dmp] | i want to try to compile bzflag for linux/debian. Which mesa-package do I need to install? xlibmesa3 & xlibmesa3-dev ? |
| 08:25.47 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | i have a question |
| 08:26.28 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | u know when you insert the maps into bzflag how do u get a certain flag in |
| 08:26.49 | Chestal | dmp: hmm, probably these two, I am not sure |
| 08:26.56 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | say i want all laser how would i do that? |
| 08:26.58 | Chestal | flags are server options |
| 08:27.23 | Chestal | so you woudl say +f l +f l for two laser flags |
| 08:27.43 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 08:28.32 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | ..\bzfs -world test.php -j -ms 10 +s -t -sa -s 4 +fl =fl is what i type in the dos program |
| 08:28.48 | M_A_C | need to specify -p and -pr |
| 08:30.05 | Chestal | xxx: put a blank between +f and l |
| 08:31.28 | [dmp] | chestal: seems to be "xlibs-dev" .. i'll know soon :) |
| 08:32.15 | Terminator | hi all |
| 08:32.27 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 08:32.27 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 08:32.29 | bzbot | xabbu (R): 0 (2-2). !KelsoeNator! (G): -13 (8-21). DeadMeat (R): 12 (90-78). Walleye (G): -36 (57-93). |
| 08:32.34 | Terminator | i'm there |
| 08:33.09 | [dmp] | hi terminator |
| 08:35.06 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 08:35.06 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 08:35.08 | bzbot | xabbu (R): 4 (9-5). !KelsoeNator! (G): -15 (9-24). Terminator (G): 0 (3-3). DeadMeat (R): 11 (94-83). Walleye (G): -37 (61-98). |
| 08:48.17 | Terminator | me is back |
| 08:48.29 | Terminator | aua |
| 08:48.34 | Terminator | means ouch |
| 08:48.39 | [dmp] | Ah, xlibmesa3(-dev) includes xlibs-dev. hmm this mesa? where is the documentation for that? The OpenGL website? |
| 08:49.10 | Terminator | ok that amkes absolutly no sense at all to me |
| 08:49.52 | [dmp] | :) |
| 08:54.12 | [dmp] | i would like to get started on 3d/gfx programming (just alittle) .. so i wanna compile bzflag and try "browsing" the source.. And read some documentation.. THis mesa is a library for 3dgfx i think. |
| 08:56.13 | Terminator | g2g |
| 08:56.39 | Chestal | dmp: mesa is an opengl implementation |
| 08:56.53 | Chestal | dmp: so, jsut read the gl docs, don't know where,though. Probably from SGI? |
| 08:57.23 | [dmp] | i found a link to sgi on the mesa3d.org website. |
| 08:57.53 | [dmp] | just tried my home-compiled bzflag.. 1fps .. wee :) |
| 08:58.08 | Chestal | hmm, software rendering? |
| 08:58.22 | Chestal | isn't your cideo card capable of doing 3D? |
| 08:58.45 | [dmp] | not sure.. I think it should.. |
| 08:58.59 | [dmp] | but i have another card somewhere. |
| 09:00.19 | Chestal | try 'glxinfo|grep direct' |
| 09:01.57 | [dmp] | dennis@daisy:~/bzflag/bzflag$ glxinfo |grep direct |
| 09:01.57 | [dmp] | direct rendering: No |
| 09:01.57 | [dmp] | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 09:02.16 | Chestal | that's software rednering only, same here |
| 09:02.31 | Chestal | you'll only get good performance when you switch everything (esepcially textures) off then |
| 09:03.33 | [dmp] | tried that.. oh well, guess i need to find that 3d card then .) |
| 09:04.02 | Chestal | I run a 2nd x serevr at 800x600x8bit for bzflag, performance is ok then |
| 09:05.24 | [dmp] | ok, i get around 1fps :-\.. Duron 1.4ghz |
| 09:06.03 | Chestal | I got 500MHz PIII here, in fact, two of them, but that doesn't help too much |
| 09:06.20 | Chestal | but I really had to go to 8 bit of colour depth and low res |
| 09:06.34 | Chestal | you can try bzflag -window -geometry 160x120 ;-) |
| 09:07.46 | [dmp] | hehe 40fps :) |
| 09:08.59 | [dmp] | but its kinda small on 1024x768 :) |
| 09:09.31 | Chestal | which card do you have installed? |
| 09:10.53 | [dmp] | With bzflag from cvs i get 4 fps with 160x120.. with blindness 9fps :) .. |
| 09:10.59 | [dmp] | S3 Inc. Savage 4 (rev 02) |
| 09:11.08 | [dmp] | no 3d.. |
| 09:11.37 | [dmp] | i found my 3d card.. its in the other machine which my brother uses :-\ |
| 09:13.10 | Chestal | well, the only way to improve your performance is really to switch to low res, low color depth and low quality options then |
| 09:15.36 | [dmp] | yeah.. might as well try that.. |
| 09:19.32 | Chestal | hmm, Dukot is gone |
| 10:05.48 | [dmp] | 25-30 fps with everything off.. damn ugly :) |
| 10:06.26 | Chestal | you just do not appreciate the simple beauty of the plain bzflag graphics |
| 10:07.37 | [dmp] | no, thats for sure.. The shots looked like fuzzy balls :-) |
| 10:08.07 | [dmp] | if a tank shot at me head on, i couldnt see the shot before it hit me, cause it had the same color as the tank.. abit annoying |
| 10:08.18 | [dmp] | guess i need to use the radar much more |
| 10:10.03 | Chestal | I usually set the time of day in bzflag to early dawn |
| 10:10.30 | Chestal | the only thing that's difficult to see then are red tanks/shots because the buoldings look reddish, too |
| 10:17.34 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 10:17.34 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:17.35 | bzbot | Chestal (R): -1 (2-3). calico (G): -1 (4-5). Turtle Blast (R): -2 (2-4). |
| 10:43.32 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 10:43.32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:43.33 | bzbot | lok (G): -8 (1-9). calico (R): 1 (9-8). bzgirl (R): 12 (21-9). Flyer (G): -37 (28-65). kenni (R): -12 (29-41). rocketracer2 (G): -23 (18-41). |
| 11:17.21 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: do you know how to set up so core dumps (linux) are active across system resets? |
| 11:18.30 | fiberchunks | like cat /proc/something 1 or some such? purpose: when bzflag hard locks or segfaults I'd like to have core |
| 11:21.14 | fiberchunks | cd |
| 11:23.32 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 11:23.32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:23.33 | bzbot | kensuke (G): -11 (12-23). EsaPro (G): -13 (53-66). Grumpalicious (R): -9 (9-18). Elgen (R): 19 (33-14). Pikachu (R): -3 (0-3). Crash (G): 6 (22-16). |
| 11:33.17 | Patlabor221 | I have no clue about linux stuff like that |
| 11:51.05 | fiberchunks | ah, thanks anyway |
| 12:12.48 | jpablo | we have a teammatekiller in ducati ... |
| 12:13.16 | sussudio | ibot ducati |
| 12:13.16 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:13.17 | bzbot | Elgen (G): -8 (86-94). AAAA (G): 1 (1-0). Bahlsen Killer (R): -1 (42-43). Riseman (R): 6 (95-89). Onken (R): 63 (135-72). @Crash (B): 0 (0-0). Spoogebob Spermpants (R): -56 (4-60). Zero Dogg (G): -2 (0-2). |
| 12:13.24 | sussudio | ah spoogebob. |
| 12:15.13 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 12:15.13 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:15.13 | bzbot | Elgen (G): -6 (92-98). AAAA (G): 1 (2-1). Bahlsen Killer (R): -6 (43-49). Riseman (R): 7 (101-94). Onken (R): 57 (136-79). @Crash (B): 0 (0-0). Spoogebob Spermpants (R): -67 (4-71). Zero Dogg (G): -2 (3-5). |
| 12:20.46 | [TeA] | damn it ! |
| 12:21.06 | [TeA] | whose got admin in ducati 5156 B! |
| 12:21.07 | [TeA] | ! |
| 12:21.07 | [TeA] | !! |
| 12:21.07 | [TeA] | ! |
| 12:22.41 | [TeA] | teankiller on 5156 |
| 12:25.45 | Fanta | chestal here ?? |
| 12:25.49 | sussudio | grrr |
| 12:26.04 | Fanta | we have a cheater on ducati |
| 12:26.10 | Fanta | any admin here ? |
| 12:27.11 | sussudio | you idiots deserve spoogebob. |
| 12:27.35 | sussudio | if you just PAUSE till he goes away. how hard is that? |
| 12:27.49 | Cell | and goodbye |
| 12:35.47 | iLLf8d | hey chestal theres some teamkiller on your server |
| 12:35.56 | iLLf8d | I kicked him a few times but he won't go so I dunno |
| 12:36.13 | iLLf8d | you may want to give teal the password and tellem not to pass it on (dunno if he will or not) |
| 12:42.13 | [TeA] | lol |
| 12:42.21 | [TeA] | well i think he can trust me |
| 12:42.59 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 12:42.59 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:43.00 | bzbot | cheesus (G): 0 (0-0). SGI (G): 0 (0-0). Spoogebob Spermpants (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 12:43.43 | iLLf8d | 1.8 to be retired (bzflag) ??? |
| 12:43.46 | iLLf8d | whats up with that? |
| 12:44.20 | Patlabor221 | 1.7 will be evolved into a new 1.8 |
| 12:44.38 | iLLf8d | uhm why? |
| 12:44.45 | iLLf8d | I thought the idea was to go newer better |
| 12:44.49 | iLLf8d | I though 1.8 was rolling along |
| 12:44.50 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 12:44.50 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:44.51 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 12:44.51 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 was kinda all messed up and noone wanted to work on it. |
| 12:44.55 | [TeA] | aaah |
| 12:44.57 | [TeA] | hese gone |
| 12:44.59 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 12:45.11 | iLLf8d | all messed up? |
| 12:45.11 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 12:45.17 | iLLf8d | I thought it was playin ok |
| 12:45.20 | [TeA] | tank: ? |
| 12:45.21 | iLLf8d | or seemed too |
| 12:45.23 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 12:45.29 | [TeA] | tank: do ya play diablo2 ? |
| 12:45.36 | iLLf8d | no I should tho |
| 12:45.39 | [TeA] | yeah |
| 12:45.43 | [TeA] | thats realy cool |
| 12:45.43 | iLLf8d | gotta install winex or wintendo |
| 12:45.44 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 12:45.49 | iLLf8d | can you play it online |
| 12:45.49 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 12:45.51 | [TeA] | yes |
| 12:45.52 | iLLf8d | I got it somewhere on cd |
| 12:45.54 | [TeA] | offcourse |
| 12:45.55 | iLLf8d | oh you can? |
| 12:45.57 | iLLf8d | whats it like |
| 12:46.00 | iLLf8d | must rock |
| 12:46.00 | [TeA] | super |
| 12:46.04 | [TeA] | it does |
| 12:46.09 | iLLf8d | so you form parties? |
| 12:46.14 | [TeA] | diablo 2 Lord of Distruction |
| 12:46.19 | [TeA] | yeah |
| 12:46.23 | iLLf8d | oh that rocks |
| 12:46.32 | iLLf8d | ok lemme see if winex supports it |
| 12:46.40 | iLLf8d | if so I'll get them both installed |
| 12:46.41 | [TeA] | you play it once |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | you cant get away from it |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | because its always something new |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | and always lvl ups |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | new skills |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | new points |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | new specials |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | .... |
| 12:47.19 | [TeA] | Its great |
| 12:47.40 | Widget | Diablo 2 works with WineX. |
| 12:47.42 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 12:47.48 | iLLf8d | the online one too? |
| 12:47.53 | Patlabor221 | it was playing ok |
| 12:47.55 | Widget | I think so. |
| 12:47.58 | Patlabor221 | but the code was not so hot |
| 12:48.00 | iLLf8d | I know d2 works just dunno about winex online capabilities |
| 12:48.05 | Widget | But I thought pirated versions couldn't access Battle.net. |
| 12:48.20 | iLLf8d | well if its cool i'll get a full version |
| 12:48.21 | iLLf8d | ie new |
| 12:48.28 | iLLf8d | I think its cheap now |
| 12:48.30 | iLLf8d | like 10$ |
| 12:48.44 | iLLf8d | I just picked up a ton of loki games |
| 12:48.44 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 12:48.51 | iLLf8d | I had them on cd but I wanted the originals |
| 12:48.56 | Widget | Oooh, the "What people say" box on WineX's website has a comment from someone in Auckland. |
| 12:49.01 | iLLf8d | they were 4.97$ at the local store |
| 12:49.12 | Patlabor221 | adn it was missing a number of basic features |
| 12:49.25 | iLLf8d | got q3 for 9.99$ a while ago and just picked up railroad tycoon myth and heretic |
| 12:49.28 | iLLf8d | think they're all III |
| 12:49.32 | iLLf8d | oops II I mean |
| 12:50.07 | iLLf8d | winex should have a large market |
| 12:50.41 | iLLf8d | if they threw some money into it and made it really slick i'd be more then happy to purchase a copy or subscription to it |
| 12:51.02 | sussudio | iLLf8d : were you on as 'hmm' |
| 12:51.59 | Widget | hmm would be jolly, I think. |
| 12:52.16 | sussudio | grmpf. |
| 12:52.31 | iLLf8d | who? |
| 12:52.38 | iLLf8d | me no |
| 12:56.09 | iLLf8d | bummer |
| 12:56.18 | iLLf8d | bzedit 2.1 still no mouse move/resize with hotkeys |
| 12:57.01 | Patlabor221 | windows version has basic draging |
| 12:59.05 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 12:59.10 | iLLf8d | does it have resize? |
| 12:59.18 | iLLf8d | or just reposition |
| 12:59.51 | Patlabor221 | I think I did all of them |
| 13:00.01 | Patlabor221 | I realy need to find the current code |
| 13:00.09 | Patlabor221 | it must be at the office. |
| 13:04.59 | captain_proton | iLLf8d!!! |
| 13:27.14 | iLLf8d | greetings proton |
| 13:27.18 | iLLf8d | howya be |
| 13:27.25 | captain_proton | i be good |
| 13:27.27 | captain_proton | yerself? |
| 13:28.42 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 13:28.49 | iLLf8d | been playing alot of q3 lately |
| 13:28.54 | iLLf8d | that and working |
| 13:28.58 | iLLf8d | I still so suck at q3 tho |
| 13:29.04 | iLLf8d | dunno if i'll ever be any decent |
| 13:29.10 | iLLf8d | ah well |
| 13:29.56 | captain_proton | care for some old-school decks action in about 20 mins? |
| 13:30.14 | iLLf8d | uhm sure i'm probably way rusty |
| 13:30.15 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:30.26 | iLLf8d | haven't played in probably a few months |
| 13:30.47 | captain_proton | i've been derusting myself |
| 13:33.14 | Patlabor221 | "derusting"? |
| 13:33.19 | bzgirl | hello |
| 13:33.23 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:33.28 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yes, derusting |
| 13:33.38 | Patlabor221 | what got rusty? |
| 13:33.42 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: me |
| 13:33.43 | iLLf8d | actually I gotta find bzflag first |
| 13:33.44 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 13:33.46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: btw, hack2 is good :) |
| 13:33.52 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 13:33.55 | iLLf8d | I have the adjusted code on which I can see things on the radar |
| 13:33.56 | Patlabor221 | I have redone the other |
| 13:33.59 | Patlabor221 | but need to update it |
| 13:34.13 | iLLf8d | I can't see shit on the transparent one |
| 13:34.32 | Patlabor221 | ohh then he would hate the XL test radat :) |
| 13:34.47 | iLLf8d | hmm don't think I even have it anymore |
| 13:34.54 | iLLf8d | will have to play with the sucky one |
| 13:35.25 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: current CVS has code to adjust the transparency of the panels from your .bzflag |
| 13:36.50 | Patlabor221 | cap: I think you will like the El-Hazard sondtrack, I will get it ripped up for you. |
| 13:38.21 | captain_proton | wazzat? |
| 13:38.29 | Patlabor221 | a /shout type command where a short message shows up over your tank. |
| 13:38.44 | Patlabor221 | as a billboard |
| 13:39.27 | Patlabor221 | and perhaps a team one that only shows to your team |
| 13:39.37 | Patlabor221 | and if short messages could be bound to keys |
| 13:40.00 | sussudio | captain_proton : is that documented somewhere? |
| 13:40.11 | captain_proton | sussudio: transparency? maybe |
| 13:40.12 | Patlabor221 | but you know I could just be dilusional |
| 13:40.24 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well short messages to all and to team can already be bound |
| 13:40.34 | Patlabor221 | well that's good |
| 13:40.44 | Patlabor221 | I am just thinging of something that shows over the tank. |
| 13:41.02 | Patlabor221 | in adition to the normal flat "chat" lines |
| 13:41.26 | captain_proton | i don't think there's a huge need |
| 13:41.34 | Patlabor221 | need ohh hell no |
| 13:41.48 | Patlabor221 | it was just a "ohh that would be neat" thing that poped into my head |
| 13:42.04 | Patlabor221 | like a micropifany |
| 13:43.47 | Patlabor221 | perhaps it's like a prepifany to a much larger megapifany |
| 13:55.22 | iLLf8d | what would be very cool is .... |
| 13:55.28 | iLLf8d | and I dunno how hard it'd be to institute |
| 13:55.33 | iLLf8d | is damage |
| 13:55.45 | iLLf8d | ie you can take a few hits before you blow up with certain weapons etc... |
| 13:55.54 | iLLf8d | that way you could setup radar to show damage |
| 13:55.55 | iLLf8d | etc... |
| 13:55.58 | iLLf8d | would be very cool |
| 13:56.15 | iLLf8d | then have true team scores too... |
| 13:56.21 | iLLf8d | ie no individual points |
| 13:56.25 | iLLf8d | just team scores |
| 13:56.33 | iLLf8d | this way you'd have people actually covering one another |
| 13:56.43 | iLLf8d | those 2 features would completely change the gameplay |
| 13:57.08 | iLLf8d | have the radar dots change colors for damage levels etc... |
| 14:00.55 | Patlabor221 | then all weps and powerups would have to be re-evaluated |
| 14:01.03 | sussudio | ~fart doug |
| 14:01.03 | | sussudio: wish i knew |
| 14:01.32 | doughecka | ~lart sussudio |
| 14:01.48 | Patlabor221 | iLLf8d: that's what I was kinda planing for my "BZArena" project |
| 14:03.05 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 14:03.06 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 14:03.20 | doughecka | bleek |
| 14:03.44 | Patlabor221 | bleek? as in the purple monkey from the superfriends. |
| 14:03.51 | doughecka | um |
| 14:04.05 | doughecka | as in from For the Queen |
| 14:04.05 | sussudio | BZGeek... manouver yourself through stacks of obsolete computer parts. avoid daylight. idling in IRC 24/7. |
| 14:04.37 | Patlabor221 | don't for get the parents basment map |
| 14:04.52 | Patlabor221 | the queen? |
| 14:04.56 | sussudio | pizza powerups |
| 14:05.15 | Patlabor221 | and jolt |
| 14:05.16 | [TeA] | hiho |
| 14:05.21 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 14:05.21 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:05.22 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 14:05.59 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:06.03 | doughecka | that book I showed you |
| 14:06.49 | Patlabor221 | like I read that |
| 14:06.54 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 14:07.00 | doughecka | hehe |
| 14:07.52 | doughecka | bwuahaha, 10000x7500 resolution |
| 14:08.03 | Patlabor221 | for what reason? |
| 14:08.07 | Patlabor221 | and why TIFF? |
| 14:08.14 | doughecka | detail |
| 14:08.15 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:08.17 | Patlabor221 | the only format that makes images LARGER then they should be |
| 14:08.34 | Patlabor221 | PNG it |
| 14:09.14 | Error_X | Where can I find multiplayer servers ? |
| 14:09.35 | Patlabor221 | if you go to "find server" |
| 14:09.39 | Patlabor221 | it should show you a list |
| 14:09.47 | Error_X | Thanks :-) |
| 14:10.35 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:10.44 | doughecka | thats what 3dstudio made it in |
| 14:10.56 | Patlabor221 | you tell it the output format |
| 14:11.22 | doughecka | I did |
| 14:11.40 | doughecka | I wanted a tiff |
| 14:11.48 | Patlabor221 | and I still say why? |
| 14:12.03 | Patlabor221 | they arn't usualy compresed |
| 14:12.05 | doughecka | no compression |
| 14:12.10 | Patlabor221 | do a PNG |
| 14:12.12 | doughecka | dont want compression |
| 14:12.22 | captain_proton | doughecka: why no compression? just idiocy? |
| 14:12.23 | Patlabor221 | PNGs are loosless |
| 14:12.37 | Patlabor221 | Jpegs are lossy |
| 14:12.47 | doughecka | I wanted a tiff! |
| 14:12.56 | captain_proton | baka |
| 14:12.57 | Patlabor221 | then you are stupid |
| 14:13.07 | Patlabor221 | you have no clue what you are doing do you? |
| 14:13.18 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:13.25 | doughecka | I just picked tiff |
| 14:13.49 | doughecka | so I could boast I had a 214 meg tiff |
| 14:13.57 | doughecka | no fun saying I have a 2 meg png |
| 14:14.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh I see |
| 14:14.06 | [TeA] | ibot ducati |
| 14:14.06 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:14.07 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 14:14.09 | [TeA] | aaaaah |
| 14:14.15 | [TeA] | tad lets play arounf |
| 14:14.15 | [TeA] | d |
| 14:14.16 | Patlabor221 | you wanted to make up for certan inadiquacys |
| 14:14.19 | [TeA] | :o) |
| 14:14.21 | doughecka | nope |
| 14:14.22 | [TeA] | bz |
| 14:14.25 | [TeA] | :P |
| 14:14.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:14.34 | [TeA] | Dann halt ned du wuschtsemmel |
| 14:14.39 | [TeA] | hehe |
| 14:14.46 | doughecka | ~x de en Dann halt ned du wuschtsemmel |
| 14:14.54 | Patlabor221 | realy doug you only need to render at twice your output rex |
| 14:14.56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:15.06 | doughecka | :(? |
| 14:15.07 | Patlabor221 | any higher is just a waste of time |
| 14:15.10 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:15.13 | Widget | ibot: x de en Dann halt ned du wuschtsemmel |
| 14:15.24 | doughecka | but I wanted to explore and see how high it goes |
| 14:15.27 | Widget | It must be some sort of insult. |
| 14:15.34 | Patlabor221 | it will go till your outa ram |
| 14:15.39 | doughecka | bablefish is down |
| 14:15.43 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:15.47 | Patlabor221 | or specificly outa virtual memory space |
| 14:15.55 | Patlabor221 | and that means 4 gigs |
| 14:16.00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:16.04 | Patlabor221 | or actualy 2 |
| 14:16.56 | doughecka | 13 inches across.. |
| 14:17.05 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 14:17.12 | doughecka | that 214 meg image |
| 14:17.19 | Patlabor221 | what DPI |
| 14:17.26 | Patlabor221 | inches are relitive |
| 14:17.27 | doughecka | um |
| 14:17.29 | doughecka | dunno |
| 14:17.32 | Patlabor221 | it's pixels that mater |
| 14:17.50 | Patlabor221 | how large is the image in pixels? |
| 14:17.52 | doughecka | photoshio crashed |
| 14:18.01 | doughecka | 10000x7500 |
| 14:18.03 | Patlabor221 | on the mac? |
| 14:18.12 | doughecka | pc |
| 14:18.18 | doughecka | only 256 megs of ram |
| 14:18.30 | Patlabor221 | what is your page file size set to? |
| 14:18.47 | doughecka | dont know |
| 14:18.49 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: up for some decks? |
| 14:19.05 | Patlabor221 | are you going to print this image? or just look at it? |
| 14:19.16 | doughecka | look |
| 14:19.20 | doughecka | I deleted it now |
| 14:19.31 | Patlabor221 | just do it at 2x your screen rez |
| 14:19.36 | Patlabor221 | then resample in photoshop |
| 14:19.41 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:19.50 | Patlabor221 | that'll give you a nice finish |
| 14:20.04 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:20.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah make hoda's movie for him |
| 14:20.15 | Patlabor221 | you 2 should work together. |
| 14:20.15 | doughecka | bah |
| 14:20.18 | doughecka | I need models |
| 14:20.23 | Patlabor221 | make some |
| 14:20.28 | Patlabor221 | you have max now |
| 14:20.30 | doughecka | how? |
| 14:20.41 | doughecka | I cant figure out how to do meshes |
| 14:20.41 | Patlabor221 | I meant at some point you will get bored of redering sphers |
| 14:20.44 | captain_proton | damn software pirates |
| 14:20.54 | Patlabor221 | that's what it's primary function is |
| 14:20.59 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:21.12 | doughecka | but I cant modify meshes |
| 14:21.15 | Patlabor221 | usualy renders are sent to a RenderMan farm |
| 14:21.26 | doughecka | pixar? |
| 14:21.33 | doughecka | brb |
| 14:21.39 | Patlabor221 | yes they made the first renderman |
| 14:21.45 | Patlabor221 | go get a book on it |
| 14:21.55 | Patlabor221 | also there are tutorials at polycount. |
| 14:23.29 | doughecka | polycount.com? |
| 14:23.37 | Patlabor221 | a yup |
| 14:23.42 | doughecka | hm |
| 14:24.01 | Patlabor221 | lots of good info there |
| 14:24.18 | doughecka | k |
| 14:28.25 | Patlabor221 | won't she get mad? |
| 14:28.27 | doughecka | I just had chinese |
| 14:28.36 | doughecka | http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/ |
| 14:29.12 | Widget | Kimchi. |
| 14:29.24 | doughecka | ick |
| 14:29.28 | doughecka | they had that too |
| 14:29.36 | Widget | That's Korean. |
| 14:29.42 | Widget | But you can find a lot in Taiwan. |
| 14:29.42 | doughecka | and shusi |
| 14:30.00 | captain_proton | damnit doug |
| 14:30.07 | captain_proton | how hard is it to spell "sushi"? |
| 14:30.12 | Widget | Shusi. |
| 14:30.51 | Patlabor221 | hell I can spell sushi |
| 14:31.16 | Widget | doughecka: They had Chinese, Japanese and Korean food? |
| 14:33.29 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | do u know if it works |
| 14:33.39 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | do u have the game? |
| 14:33.55 | Patlabor221 | I have never tried king of the hill in bz, I just saw it in passing once. |
| 14:34.16 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | do u know what site it is on? |
| 14:34.38 | Patlabor221 | proalby the patches section on sourceforge |
| 14:34.53 | Patlabor221 | but you would have to be able to compile bz to make it. |
| 14:35.41 | captain_proton | we had koth integrated into 1.8 |
| 14:35.55 | Patlabor221 | that must have been where I saw it then |
| 14:36.07 | captain_proton | though i think there's a lingering patch for an old cvs |
| 14:36.08 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | how do u install the patch |
| 14:36.16 | doughecka | you say anything? |
| 14:36.27 | Patlabor221 | you have to be able to build the program from the source code |
| 14:36.43 | Patlabor221 | do you have Visual C++? |
| 14:36.56 | doughecka | dsl modem pooped out for the first time in weeks |
| 14:37.27 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | do i need it |
| 14:37.48 | Patlabor221 | yes if you want to build a new client with the patch |
| 14:37.56 | Patlabor221 | it's not patch like other games have |
| 14:37.58 | captain_proton | whoop |
| 14:38.00 | Patlabor221 | it's all code |
| 14:38.08 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | is it hard |
| 14:38.17 | Patlabor221 | it's not simple |
| 14:38.21 | Patlabor221 | and you need a compiler |
| 14:38.28 | captain_proton | i got the hardware acquisition for my music stand all arranged |
| 14:38.45 | Patlabor221 | and everone else who wanted to play would have to have a patched client as well. |
| 14:39.04 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | what type do u recomend for the compiler |
| 14:39.21 | Patlabor221 | if your building on windows you need Visual C++ |
| 14:39.31 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 14:40.29 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | how long have u been coding for? |
| 14:40.47 | Patlabor221 | I've been programing in C for about 6 years now |
| 14:40.52 | captain_proton | i'm scoring a thinkpad a30 board (700mhz) w/ associated prepherals, 14.4 tft lcd, boss footswitch and two chips that i'm going to use to hook the footswitch up over usb :) |
| 14:40.54 | Patlabor221 | C++ for about 5 |
| 14:41.14 | doughecka | captain_proton: cool |
| 14:41.38 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | thx for all your help |
| 14:41.55 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | i guess i will have to learn C++ |
| 14:42.00 | Patlabor221 | cap you should put a DVD in it so you can wach movies untill your part comes up |
| 14:42.06 | doughecka | Patlabor221: heh |
| 14:42.11 | Patlabor221 | you don't need to learn C++ to apply a patch |
| 14:42.15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: haha, no |
| 14:42.27 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | ? |
| 14:42.50 | Patlabor221 | xxx: you just need the app so you can build it. you don't need to modify it |
| 14:43.03 | doughecka | captain_proton: so plug it in if you want to watch a dvd on it |
| 14:43.03 | Patlabor221 | honestly I'd just wait till the get it in the regular build |
| 14:43.18 | Patlabor221 | xxxx: then everyone will have it |
| 14:43.24 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 14:43.25 | captain_proton | more power = more heat |
| 14:43.26 | Patlabor221 | cap: wil e8 have KOTH? |
| 14:43.29 | doughecka | what patch? |
| 14:43.30 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: no |
| 14:43.32 | doughecka | captain_proton: hm |
| 14:43.33 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 14:43.40 | doughecka | KOTH? |
| 14:43.41 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: e8 will be compatible |
| 14:43.54 | doughecka | whats the patch? |
| 14:43.58 | Widget | doughecka: King of the Hill. |
| 14:44.02 | Patlabor221 | Koth demon of the underworld |
| 14:44.07 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:44.21 | Patlabor221 | allso should proalbly add a CTC |
| 14:44.33 | Patlabor221 | or it's more offten called KTGWTB |
| 14:44.33 | doughecka | should be, would be nice to have something new while bzflag2k5 is made |
| 14:44.36 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | is there a way to apply the patch in my machine just to play it? |
| 14:44.42 | doughecka | CTC? |
| 14:44.52 | Patlabor221 | not with out building the software from the code xxx |
| 14:44.59 | Patlabor221 | CTC= Capture the Chicken! |
| 14:45.04 | Patlabor221 | one player gets the flag |
| 14:45.08 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:45.18 | Patlabor221 | he shows Up HUGE ON everyone else's radar |
| 14:45.28 | Patlabor221 | gets points for how long he says alive |
| 14:45.31 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:45.32 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:45.35 | Patlabor221 | everyone else has to killhim |
| 14:45.40 | Patlabor221 | and they can't hurt each other |
| 14:45.44 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:45.46 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:45.47 | Patlabor221 | he who kills him gets some points |
| 14:45.50 | Patlabor221 | and the chicken |
| 14:45.59 | doughecka | cant that be implemented in e8? |
| 14:45.59 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:46.08 | Patlabor221 | it would not be easy |
| 14:46.26 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | i 1.7e8 download able |
| 14:46.30 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | is |
| 14:46.35 | Patlabor221 | no it's not done |
| 14:46.36 | captain_proton | doughecka: not without breaking compatibility |
| 14:46.47 | captain_proton | and with the feature set we're aiming for in e8, there's no reason to break compat |
| 14:46.48 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | how about 1.7e7 |
| 14:47.00 | Patlabor221 | e6 is current |
| 14:47.18 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | is it comming out soon |
| 14:47.24 | Patlabor221 | it became CTC when a Q2 mod made it so that he who was it, had a model of a Chicken as a wep. |
| 14:47.30 | Patlabor221 | xxxx that's the pan |
| 14:47.32 | Patlabor221 | plan |
| 14:47.39 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:47.40 | doughecka | cool |
| 14:47.42 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | k |
| 14:47.50 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | thx again |
| 14:47.54 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 14:48.23 | Patlabor221 | a bombing run type game would be interseting too |
| 14:48.31 | Patlabor221 | simiar to single flag CTF |
| 14:48.37 | doughecka | yea |
| 14:48.44 | doughecka | all in 1.8 |
| 14:48.45 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:49.19 | doughecka | er |
| 14:49.19 | doughecka | bzflag 2.0 |
| 14:49.19 | Patlabor221 | prialby in the 1.9's |
| 14:49.26 | doughecka | bah |
| 14:49.35 | doughecka | why not 2.0? |
| 14:49.57 | Patlabor221 | cus I think that net code will be seperated first and that it could be put in before a 2.0 |
| 14:49.58 | doughecka | its gonne be a big rewrite |
| 14:50.01 | captain_proton | doughecka: version numbers are unimportant |
| 14:50.07 | captain_proton | and its not gonna be a big rewrite |
| 14:50.15 | captain_proton | have you been listening AT ALL over the last 3 weeks? |
| 14:50.27 | Patlabor221 | that's the reason 1.8 is dead, it was a big re-write |
| 14:50.29 | doughecka | putting LGE in it will not be a big rewrite? |
| 14:50.38 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 14:50.42 | Patlabor221 | it will be hard |
| 14:50.48 | doughecka | humph |
| 14:50.54 | Patlabor221 | but it will only replace a number of things |
| 14:50.59 | Patlabor221 | they won't be redone |
| 14:51.05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:51.15 | doughecka | whats after 1.9? |
| 14:51.17 | doughecka | 2.0? |
| 14:51.18 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:51.27 | captain_proton | doughecka: version numbers are unimportant |
| 14:52.10 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.01 |
| 14:52.24 | Patlabor221 | this e crap is stupid |
| 14:52.49 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:53.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i believe it was riker's intention to move to a major.minor.tiny numbering system |
| 14:54.12 | doughecka | major.minor.tiny.itty-bitty.so-small-its-insane |
| 14:54.33 | Patlabor221 | great |
| 14:54.35 | Patlabor221 | that's standard |
| 14:54.45 | Patlabor221 | 3 is enough |
| 14:54.48 | Patlabor221 | that's what we do |
| 14:54.52 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:55.00 | Patlabor221 | major.minor.rev |
| 14:55.01 | doughecka | so e8 will be... |
| 14:55.14 | Patlabor221 | and you never release a anyting with a .rev, those are internals |
| 14:55.16 | doughecka | 1.7.8? |
| 14:55.24 | captain_proton | doughecka: no |
| 14:55.36 | Patlabor221 | I thin e8 will be the last of the e's |
| 14:55.45 | doughecka | sounds like a movie |
| 14:55.56 | doughecka | The Last of the Es |
| 14:55.57 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hmm, i think riker also was thinking of the even-odd release numbering |
| 14:56.08 | Patlabor221 | ok that's another way |
| 14:56.08 | captain_proton | 1.8.1 would be development, 1.8.2 would be a release |
| 14:56.15 | Patlabor221 | that works |
| 14:56.24 | doughecka | ah |
| 14:56.29 | Patlabor221 | since it's not like RC builds are done here |
| 14:56.29 | captain_proton | no reason to run up the version numbers for the software, cvs/svn handles that internally |
| 14:56.35 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 14:56.46 | Patlabor221 | we have to send out versions for external testing |
| 14:56.54 | Patlabor221 | so we can't just rely on cvs |
| 14:57.02 | doughecka | ya |
| 14:57.16 | Patlabor221 | doug, you have no clue so please don't comment. |
| 14:57.38 | doughecka | a yup |
| 14:57.51 | Patlabor221 | you sure your not related to hoda? |
| 14:58.06 | doughecka | everybody is related |
| 14:58.10 | doughecka | bwuahaha |
| 14:58.16 | Patlabor221 | no just in kentucky |
| 14:59.02 | doughecka | bleeek |
| 14:59.06 | doughecka | a yup |
| 15:00.56 | doughecka | hmm |
| 15:01.37 | captain_proton | seggie fix0red |
| 15:01.48 | doughecka | l33t captain_proton |
| 15:03.39 | Chestal | good evening |
| 15:03.55 | captain_proton | 'lo Chestal |
| 15:03.58 | bzgirl | hello Chestal |
| 15:03.59 | doughecka | greetings |
| 15:07.39 | captain_proton | hmm, opinions: |
| 15:08.12 | doughecka | how about a voting system in e*? |
| 15:08.15 | doughecka | e8? |
| 15:08.23 | captain_proton | should i commit wc? |
| 15:09.00 | Patlabor221 | wc? |
| 15:09.15 | captain_proton | world-cache |
| 15:09.23 | captain_proton | i fixed the one crash bug in it |
| 15:09.27 | Patlabor221 | does it work? |
| 15:09.32 | doughecka | world cache would be cool |
| 15:09.38 | captain_proton | appears to work fine in linux, i don't think i broke anything from windows |
| 15:09.59 | Chestal | how does it identify worlds? checksum? |
| 15:10.00 | doughecka | does it save the world on the drive? |
| 15:10.36 | Patlabor221 | MAC does a MD5 on them |
| 15:11.14 | Chestal | where are they stored? any storage management included? |
| 15:11.25 | captain_proton | Chestal: $HOME/.bzflag-cache on linux |
| 15:11.30 | captain_proton | no storage management as of yet |
| 15:11.40 | Patlabor221 | where on windows? |
| 15:12.08 | captain_proton | i just updated the patch on sf, if a windows guy wants to try |
| 15:12.11 | Chestal | sounds fine to me, never tried it, though. An I do not see the great benefit in it, at least for me, but I guess when it works fine,m it's a good thing to have it |
| 15:12.31 | Chestal | but doesn't it break the protocol? |
| 15:12.51 | Chestal | or does it introduce a new message which gets ignored by old clients? |
| 15:13.01 | captain_proton | Chestal: the client sends out the hash request |
| 15:13.12 | captain_proton | and it just so happens that servers ignore bad messages |
| 15:13.48 | doughecka | heh |
| 15:14.31 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 15:15.03 | Chestal | I guess I will switch ducati to run current 1.7 code tomorrow |
| 15:15.09 | Chestal | should give us a real test |
| 15:15.13 | captain_proton | Chestal: world-cache isn't there yet |
| 15:15.28 | Chestal | captain_proton: maybe I'll patch it in |
| 15:15.43 | captain_proton | world-cache wouldn't do anything anyways, since ducati is on random worlds |
| 15:15.44 | Chestal | if we think that it should go into e8? |
| 15:15.46 | captain_proton | ...right? |
| 15:16.07 | Chestal | proton: doesn't it try to cache random worlds, too? |
| 15:16.08 | doughecka | will max 4.x plugins run on max 5.x? |
| 15:16.12 | captain_proton | Chestal: no |
| 15:16.32 | Chestal | ah, ok, well, but it would test the server code nnetheless |
| 15:16.43 | doughecka | when will there be a client out? |
| 15:16.48 | Chestal | but I don't feel liek using the new teamkillin gpolicy, so I will make it optional I guess |
| 15:16.49 | doughecka | e8? |
| 15:17.00 | Chestal | dough: real soon now |
| 15:17.07 | doughecka | ah |
| 15:22.26 | dinah | captain_proton luv, would you happen to know the comand line to play an ogg? |
| 15:22.33 | captain_proton | dinah: ogg123 |
| 15:22.49 | dinah | it cant be! |
| 15:23.58 | dinah | see i want to use xhippo but it tries to do ogg123 to play ogg's but it get the error, command not found... freezes and crashes x |
| 15:25.02 | dinah | yet i can play ogg with noatun, xmms etc. so i assumed it was an out of date command, as xhippo stoped devel in '99 |
| 15:25.20 | captain_proton | ogg123 comes with the vorbis-utils package |
| 15:25.42 | Chestal | I use ogg123 to play my oggs |
| 15:25.47 | dinah | then whats playing ogg for me now? |
| 15:26.14 | captain_proton | dinah: xmms probably has their own code to decode oggs based on libvorbis |
| 15:26.28 | Patlabor221 | were there oggs in 99? |
| 15:26.48 | dinah | apparently |
| 15:31.53 | dinah | is libvorbis or libogg the same as vorbis utils? |
| 15:32.15 | dinah | what about vorbis tools? |
| 15:32.50 | captain_proton | lemme take a look, hang on |
| 15:33.16 | sussudio | xmms plays oggs :-P |
| 15:33.20 | dinah | being as i cant find vorbi-utils on the suse ftp site |
| 15:33.27 | captain_proton | dinah: get vorbis-tools |
| 15:35.02 | dinah | well now i need to find libas02 as well :-/ |
| 15:35.12 | dinah | err ao |
| 15:36.18 | sussudio | vorbis-tools contains oggenc (an encoder), ogg123 (a playback tool), |
| 15:36.18 | sussudio | ogginfo (displays ogg information), vcut (ogg file splitter), and |
| 15:36.18 | sussudio | vorbiscomment (ogg comment editor) |
| 15:39.05 | sussudio | dinah: you dont run debian, do you? |
| 15:39.16 | dinah | nope |
| 15:39.35 | sussudio | apt-get install vorbis-tools |
| 15:39.37 | sussudio | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 15:39.37 | sussudio | libao2 libcurl2 vorbis-tools |
| 15:39.42 | sussudio | la la la |
| 15:40.21 | dinah | i dont have apt-get silly |
| 15:40.31 | sussudio | yes, that's very silly |
| 15:41.23 | dinah | where does one find apt-get? |
| 15:41.29 | sussudio | in debian |
| 15:41.44 | dinah | bah, me starts Yast2 |
| 15:43.37 | Chestal | uh, evil SUSE |
| 15:43.53 | dinah | evil!?!! |
| 15:43.57 | Chestal | but it has cool tcsh completions, one day I must steal some of them |
| 15:44.18 | dinah | evill!!!!?? |
| 15:44.26 | Chestal | yes, evil, evil, evil |
| 15:44.42 | dinah | but why? |
| 15:45.17 | Chestal | I need no reasons, would you argue over whetehr Satan is evil? |
| 15:45.29 | dinah | sure |
| 15:45.47 | Patlabor221 | pherpas just mis understod. |
| 15:45.47 | Chestal | ah, a Satanist, worshipping the Lightbringer |
| 15:46.00 | Patlabor221 | perhaps god just won the coin toss |
| 15:46.21 | Chestal | god does not gamble, ask EInstein about that |
| 15:46.24 | dinah | see satan never did an evil thing perse, but people do much evil in his name |
| 15:46.41 | dinah | oh but he does |
| 15:46.45 | Patlabor221 | just like the evil things people do in god's name |
| 15:47.09 | Chestal | god is an abstraction anyway, or should be |
| 15:47.32 | Patlabor221 | you just like most legends and myths |
| 15:47.37 | Patlabor221 | yup not you |
| 15:48.26 | Chestal | well, I thnk I'l do some reading and will then close my eyes for today |
| 15:49.54 | dinah | Chestal: night luv |
| 15:51.13 | Chestal | dinah: by coincidence, my ogg player decided to play something from the Lockwork Orange soundtrack right now |
| 15:51.29 | dinah | clockwork ;) |
| 15:51.43 | Chestal | eh, yes |
| 15:51.51 | dinah | and its likely beethovens 9th ;) |
| 15:52.05 | sussudio | Playing: (Culture_Beat)_[02]_Walk_The_Same_Line.ogg |
| 15:52.14 | sussudio | debian 0wns u |
| 15:52.32 | Chestal | some variation of it probably, it's the "suicide scherzo" |
| 15:53.24 | dinah | nope |
| 15:53.47 | dinah | thats the one played when he jumps out the window, can remember what it is but i know its not the 9th |
| 15:53.47 | sussudio | have some moloko |
| 15:56.10 | dinah | moloko plus ;) |
| 15:56.46 | dinah | just plain moloko is a rather nice band :) saw them in concert |
| 16:19.24 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 16:19.30 | captain_proton | lge-port is becoming unmanageable |
| 16:20.51 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 16:21.32 | captain_proton | so much changing at once |
| 16:22.00 | captain_proton | i ought to have kept the BzfEvent stuff as it was and just abstracted within LGE |
| 16:22.02 | captain_proton | :P |
| 16:23.17 | Chestal | what's LGE? |
| 16:23.27 | Patlabor221 | the Little Gl Engine |
| 16:23.35 | Patlabor221 | SDL based window setup stuff |
| 16:24.02 | Patlabor221 | there are other libs that we may use as well |
| 16:24.12 | Chestal | hmm, why does apropos segfault all of a sudden? |
| 16:24.21 | captain_proton | apropos? |
| 16:24.31 | Chestal | yes, the command |
| 16:26.26 | Chestal | uh, tuxpuck isn't wkring anymore |
| 16:58.10 | Widget | Lazarus: hihihi |
| 16:58.14 | captain_proton | fear |
| 16:58.19 | Lazarus | hi |
| 16:58.22 | captain_proton | i'm close to installing vs.NET |
| 16:58.51 | Lazarus | quiet in here |
| 16:58.57 | Widget | Without Windows? Quite an accomplishment. |
| 16:59.10 | captain_proton | Widget: i have windows |
| 16:59.19 | Widget | Oh. |
| 17:00.22 | captain_proton | scanline: welcome back to reality |
| 17:00.33 | scanline | hehe, thanks |
| 17:58.45 | Widget | sußudio |
| 17:59.25 | sussudio | Dit zijn de aanbiedingen van deze week. De aanbiedingen zijn geldig t/m zaterdag 16 november. |
| 17:59.25 | sussudio | Let op: de vlees-, groenten- en fruitaanbiedingen zijn geldig van donderdag 14 november tot en met zaterdag 16 november. |
| 18:03.21 | Widget | sussudio is de persoon die me spam van Nederland verzendt. |
| 18:03.47 | sussudio | 2e halve prijs |
| 18:03.47 | sussudio | Douwe Egberts aroma rood |
| 18:03.47 | sussudio | snelfiltermaling |
| 18:03.47 | sussudio | 2 pakken à 500 gram |
| 18:03.47 | sussudio | 5.76 4.32 |
| 18:19.10 | doughecka | DING DONG! |
| 18:21.20 | lurgyman | happybirthday! |
| 18:24.32 | Widget | With kimchi? |
| 18:24.32 | doughecka | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 18:24.38 | doughecka | Widget: NEVER! |
| 18:24.39 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:24.39 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 18:24.47 | doughecka | upsidedown pineapple cake |
| 18:26.15 | lurgyman | mmmmm... pineapple |
| 18:26.19 | lurgyman | is there anything it can't do? |
| 18:26.25 | doughecka | dance |
| 18:26.29 | sussudio | write kernel modules |
| 18:26.41 | doughecka | or that |
| 18:28.43 | Widget | Dutsj is essensjullie a Loo Sjurmennik lenkwitsj wis det vunkie letter (det riepleezes Y) plus a serieuslie koel ortografie. |
| 18:28.59 | doughecka | ~x de en Dutsj is essensjullie a Loo Sjurmennik lenkwitsj wis det vunkie letter (det riepleezes Y) plus a serieuslie koel ortografie. |
| 18:29.13 | doughecka | bablefish is dead |
| 18:29.38 | Widget | Written Dutch is essentially German with misspellings one would expect from small German children. |
| 18:29.38 | Widget | --Terrence Griffin |
| 18:30.03 | doughecka | ah, only too true |
| 18:30.14 | doughecka | (knowing nothing about dutch nor german) |
| 18:30.23 | Widget | Dutch is essentially German written with English spelling. |
| 18:30.35 | doughecka | hah |
| 18:30.41 | sussudio | shows how much you know about dutch. |
| 18:31.28 | Widget | It's on the web, so it must be right. |
| 18:31.40 | doughecka | a yup |
| 18:31.50 | lurgyman | It's on the web, so it must be dutch. |
| 18:31.51 | sussudio | so is the KKK website |
| 18:31.52 | doughecka | if its on slashdot, it must be right |
| 18:32.07 | lurgyman | if its on slashdot, it must be worth reading |
| 18:32.11 | doughecka | hrm |
| 18:32.17 | Widget | Flemish is essentially Dutch dumbed down for use by Francophones. |
| 18:32.18 | Widget | --Zoe Mulford |
| 18:32.24 | doughecka | ~lart lurgyman |
| 18:32.24 | lurgyman | haha |
| 18:33.14 | Widget | ibot: bbot? |
| 18:33.14 | | a stinkin lousy bot trying to take the almighty ibot's job |
| 18:33.23 | lurgyman | bbot: ibot? |
| 18:33.30 | doughecka | ~ibot |
| 18:33.30 | | ibot is, like, a blootbot now, or no longer an infobot, or more annoying and less versatile now. run my BZFlag on his own server |
| 18:33.31 | lurgyman | not gonna happen soon, i don't think |
| 18:34.20 | lurgyman | you say that now... |
| 18:34.28 | Widget | Germann ist eßentially Dutsch and Englisch with a few Tschanges. |
| 18:34.44 | Widget | Germänn ist eßëntiälly Ënglisch mit ein few Tschängen und das käpitäal Lëtteren und Lötten von Dötten. |
| 18:35.04 | doughecka | TRANSLATOR!!! WWHERE ARE YOU? |
| 18:35.22 | lurgyman | French is like nasal italian where you ignore half the letters |
| 18:35.26 | lurgyman | --lurgyman |
| 18:35.33 | doughecka | ~karma for lurgyman |
| 18:35.33 | | for lurgyman has neutral karma |
| 18:35.53 | lurgyman | uh oh |
| 18:35.54 | Widget | lurgyman++ |
| 18:36.02 | Widget | ~karma lurgyman |
| 18:36.02 | | lurgyman has neutral karma |
| 18:36.03 | sussudio | ibot what is doug's nick on slashdot? |
| 18:36.03 | | sussudio: what are you talking about? |
| 18:36.04 | Widget | lurgyman++ |
| 18:36.12 | doughecka | nope |
| 18:36.13 | Widget | ~lurgyman++ |
| 18:36.18 | Widget | ~karma lurgyman |
| 18:36.18 | | lurgyman has neutral karma |
| 18:36.19 | doughecka | http://www.airplanehomes.com/ |
| 18:36.52 | lurgyman | ~Widget++ |
| 18:36.52 | lurgyman | ? |
| 18:37.34 | Widget | In France, I saw some people who live in caves. |
| 18:37.36 | Widget | But nice ones. |
| 18:37.41 | Widget | Like hobbit holes. |
| 18:37.52 | doughecka | water? |
| 18:38.04 | doughecka | electricty |
| 18:38.05 | doughecka | ? |
| 18:38.10 | sussudio | sucks to be french |
| 18:38.32 | lurgyman | haha |
| 18:38.33 | Widget | Rich people live in holes in France and middle class people in hice. |
| 18:38.44 | doughecka | hic? |
| 18:38.48 | doughecka | hice? |
| 18:38.55 | lurgyman | it's like ch, except less reclusive |
| 18:38.58 | Widget | house, pl. hice |
| 18:38.59 | sussudio | lice |
| 18:39.11 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:39.20 | doughecka | mouse house |
| 18:39.38 | doughecka | fried lice? |
| 18:40.20 | lurgyman | fried green tomatoes? |
| 18:40.20 | doughecka | BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP! |
| 18:40.21 | lurgyman | smrt |
| 18:40.41 | doughecka | stfu |
| 18:40.43 | MrApathyCream | ibot, stop_journalling |
| 18:40.43 | | Oh believe me, no one wants to replay this carp |
| 18:40.43 | lurgyman | czech is like other languages except without the irritating vowels |
| 18:40.54 | doughecka | hehe |
| 18:40.54 | lurgyman | carp? |
| 18:41.03 | lurgyman | ha |
| 18:41.07 | doughecka | ~lart lurgyman |
| 18:41.07 | MrApathyCream | apparently ibot has a clean mouth |
| 18:41.15 | doughecka | ~insult MrApathyCream |
| 18:41.44 | lurgyman | whew |
| 18:42.11 | doughecka | three little words sully.... Six Wheel Drive! |
| 18:42.50 | lurgyman | vroom |
| 18:43.23 | doughecka | AAAAHHHH |
| 18:43.41 | Widget | I want a bike. |
| 18:43.45 | doughecka | DONT TOUCH anything... |
| 18:44.09 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:44.16 | Widget | The airplanehome people are also selling an underground missile silo home. |
| 18:44.31 | lurgyman | are they adjacent properties? |
| 18:44.32 | doughecka | oh yea |
| 18:44.41 | doughecka | lurgyman: basement |
| 18:44.50 | lurgyman | i think i'll take the missile silo |
| 18:44.57 | Widget | It's already sold. |
| 18:44.58 | doughecka | me too |
| 18:45.08 | doughecka | Widget: search for missle silos for sale |
| 18:45.09 | lurgyman | i'll bet the missile silo's right under the plane |
| 18:45.15 | doughecka | theres dozans of them |
| 18:45.27 | lurgyman | i'd think the plane's property value would drop |
| 18:45.32 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:48.17 | doughecka | good for you |
| 18:48.29 | lurgyman | ...the American Association of University Composers Whose Music If it Weren't For Universities Would Be Played About As Often As That Of The Roman Emperor Nero |
| 18:48.47 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:49.15 | lurgyman | i think it's based in the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople |
| 18:49.24 | doughecka | hoople... |
| 18:49.31 | lurgyman | in the same town as the Turtle Mountain Naval Base Tactical Wind Ensemble |
| 18:49.39 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:49.56 | lurgyman | (as ready to whip off a B-flat major scale as to defend North Dakota from naval attack) |
| 18:50.07 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:55.05 | sussudio | ~beat doug |
| 18:55.05 | | sussudio: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:55.15 | sussudio | botrot |
| 18:55.33 | doughecka | ~brap |
| 18:55.33 | | BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!! |
| 18:56.27 | aca | heh |
| 18:56.45 | doughecka | can 3dsmax 3 and 4 plugins work in 3dsmax 5? |
| 18:56.53 | sussudio | no |
| 18:57.06 | doughecka | your sure? |
| 18:57.10 | sussudio | no |
| 18:57.16 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:02.38 | sussudio | ibot is doug on crack? |
| 19:02.38 | | sussudio: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:03.46 | Widget | ibot: is doug on crack? |
| 19:03.46 | | yes |
| 19:04.01 | doughecka | ~forget is* |
| 19:04.01 | | doughecka: i didn't have anything called 'is*' |
| 19:04.04 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:04.08 | doughecka | ~lart ibot |
| 19:04.12 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:05.41 | sussudio | ~hehstats |
| 19:05.41 | | total count of heh on #bzflag: 1 |
| 19:05.52 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:05.54 | sussudio | ~stats |
| 19:05.57 | | Since Thu Nov 7 13:28:36 2002, there have been 32 modifications and 222 questions and 150 dunnos and 2 morons and 76 commands. I have been awake for 3d 5h 37m 18s this session, and currently reference 84013 factoids. I'm using about 22960 kB of memory. |
| 19:05.57 | doughecka | ~hehstats |
| 19:05.57 | | total count of heh on #bzflag: 1 |
| 19:05.57 | hoda | yay |
| 19:06.01 | doughecka | hm |
| 19:06.05 | hoda | i get the torque tommorow |
| 19:06.09 | hoda | yay |
| 19:06.11 | doughecka | ? |
| 19:06.19 | doughecka | ~#bzflag stats |
| 19:06.19 | | doughecka: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:06.27 | doughecka | ~stats #bzflag |
| 19:06.27 | | doughecka: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:06.29 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:06.42 | doughecka | ~help stats |
| 19:06.49 | aca | heh |
| 19:07.00 | doughecka | ~cpustats |
| 19:07.00 | | Total CPU usage: 3190.9 s ... Total used: 1.2 % (parent/child ratio: 91.7 %) |
| 19:07.09 | doughecka | hm |
| 19:07.35 | doughecka | ~ircstats |
| 19:07.35 | | Currently I'm hooked up to irc.openprojects.net:6667 but only for 9h 50m 44s. I had to reconnect 2 times. Connectivity: 99.999 %. I was last disconnected for 'ERROR :Closing Link: ibot ("Leaving")'. |
| 19:07.43 | doughecka | ~ircstats #bzflag |
| 19:07.43 | | doughecka: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:12.56 | aca | is 60fps good on a geforce3 ti200 1.8ghz p4 512mbrdram? |
| 19:13.16 | doughecka | no |
| 19:13.23 | doughecka | turn off vsync |
| 19:13.25 | aca | really? |
| 19:13.27 | doughecka | then you can get higher |
| 19:13.30 | aca | how do i do it? |
| 19:13.40 | doughecka | in the device settings |
| 19:13.42 | doughecka | or in the game |
| 19:13.43 | aca | heh okay |
| 19:13.45 | aca | thanks |
| 19:13.47 | doughecka | have to look for it |
| 19:13.48 | doughecka | :0 |
| 19:13.50 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:13.50 | aca | what should i be getting? |
| 19:15.34 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:15.42 | doughecka | maybe around 150? |
| 19:15.45 | doughecka | dunno really |
| 19:16.10 | doughecka | but with vsync on, the FPS is limited to your monitors refresh rate |
| 19:19.27 | doughecka | brap a brap |
| 19:21.29 | aca | where can i find device settings, i went into the game and hit on options and saw nothing about vsync |
| 19:59.00 | doughecka | oh |
| 19:59.02 | doughecka | I was palying |
| 19:59.04 | doughecka | playing |
| 19:59.10 | doughecka | right click on the desktop |
| 19:59.18 | doughecka | goto settings |
| 19:59.33 | aca | yeah |
| 19:59.39 | doughecka | click advanced |
| 19:59.55 | doughecka | and somewhere in there should be a opengl and directx place |
| 20:00.03 | doughecka | goto both and turn off vsync |
| 20:00.19 | aca | okay |
| 20:00.22 | doughecka | now I am off to bed |
| 20:00.24 | doughecka | have fun! |
| 20:10.23 | hoda | uhh |
| 20:10.52 | hoda | i spent all last nite playing a turbo grafx 16 console with a friend |
| 20:11.12 | hoda | it had 8Kb of ram |
| 20:23.13 | hoda | and like a 6mhz cpu |
| 20:33.41 | sussudio | -|- (M.C._Hammer)_[01]_U_Can't_Touch_This_(Video_Mix).mp3 (5,368,359 bytes 172kbps VBR Joint Stereo 4mins 10secs Genre:Rap Year:1990 Album:U Can't Touch This (CD Single) |
| 20:33.45 | sussudio | hammatime |
| 20:35.17 | hoda | hamma |
| 20:35.28 | hoda | that reminds me |
| 20:35.39 | hoda | one time i threw this crazy curve ball |
| 20:36.07 | hoda | it like curved 35 degrees to the left halfway to the mound |
| 21:23.31 | hoda | sup pat |
| 21:26.26 | hoda | im getting torque sometime this week |
| 21:26.44 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 21:26.49 | Patlabor221 | found a hundred bucks? |
| 21:27.09 | hoda | lol i got my mom to send me the rest of what i needed |
| 21:27.53 | hoda | i wasnt in a rush but im glad ill be able to make progress with the client now atleast |
| 21:28.28 | hoda | i made a new hover tank mesh |
| 21:28.45 | Patlabor221 | cool, can we see it? |
| 21:29.13 | hoda | it looks like a hover craft |
| 21:29.32 | hoda | i almost have cell shading down |
| 21:29.47 | hoda | its just filtering the shades |
| 21:29.48 | Patlabor221 | too bad it's hard to do in game |
| 21:30.01 | Patlabor221 | what about the outline? |
| 21:30.02 | hoda | you just adjust the color falloff |
| 21:30.12 | hoda | thats determined by a falloff value |
| 21:30.18 | hoda | like a filter |
| 21:30.32 | hoda | and you have 2 colors for the material |
| 21:30.40 | Patlabor221 | does it just outline the siouette or each edge? |
| 21:30.46 | hoda | lol |
| 21:30.52 | hoda | notice i said almost |
| 21:31.09 | hoda | at this point its shading entire planes |
| 21:31.12 | hoda | for me |
| 21:31.20 | hoda | i cant get the outline fine enough |
| 21:31.31 | hoda | so i dont have it figured out yet |
| 21:33.15 | Patlabor221 | better profile then the other one |
| 21:33.26 | Patlabor221 | very symetrical |
| 21:33.33 | hoda | not yet |
| 21:33.40 | hoda | i havnt hand edited the vertices |
| 21:33.55 | Patlabor221 | you mean your going to make it MORE semetrical |
| 21:34.00 | hoda | you just cant make out the errors cus its like 5000 poly's |
| 21:34.14 | hoda | yeah when its at a lower polycount |
| 21:34.18 | Patlabor221 | but it still seems like a bunch of prims stuck together |
| 21:34.28 | Patlabor221 | that is 5K |
| 21:34.32 | Patlabor221 | what the hell did you do? |
| 21:34.36 | hoda | all my models are 1 mesh creations |
| 21:34.42 | Patlabor221 | that should be less then 100 |
| 21:34.47 | hoda | rofl |
| 21:34.56 | Patlabor221 | I did'nt say it was a bunch of prims |
| 21:35.03 | Patlabor221 | it just looks like a bunch of prims |
| 21:35.07 | hoda | i start with a box with 6x8x6 segments |
| 21:35.20 | hoda | so its that many poly's |
| 21:35.25 | hoda | 6x8x6 |
| 21:35.34 | hoda | maybe more |
| 21:35.42 | Patlabor221 | that dosn't equal 5000 |
| 21:35.50 | Patlabor221 | a box has 12 triangles in it |
| 21:36.10 | hoda | uhh it isnt tri's |
| 21:36.18 | hoda | ther square poly's |
| 21:36.30 | hoda | either way ill optimise it later |
| 21:36.39 | hoda | and itll turn them all into tri's |
| 21:36.41 | Patlabor221 | most engines only take tri's |
| 21:36.49 | hoda | tri's are best |
| 21:36.51 | Patlabor221 | only way to make them planear |
| 21:37.08 | hoda | 738 poly's |
| 21:37.08 | Patlabor221 | that expalins your funky normaks and non flat surfs on the other model |
| 21:37.26 | Patlabor221 | 738 quads? |
| 21:37.29 | Patlabor221 | or tris? |
| 21:37.33 | hoda | i started playing with the normals on that other model |
| 21:37.37 | hoda | quads |
| 21:37.42 | hoda | :/ |
| 21:38.20 | Patlabor221 | that's ~1500 tris |
| 21:38.20 | Patlabor221 | where they heck are they all? |
| 21:38.20 | hoda | rofl |
| 21:38.20 | Patlabor221 | show me a wireframe |
| 21:38.20 | hoda | uhh its like 158 optimised |
| 21:38.27 | hoda | optimised or unoptimised? |
| 21:38.32 | Patlabor221 | you use automatic optimisation tools? |
| 21:39.44 | hoda | for 3ds hell yeah |
| 21:39.58 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 21:40.06 | Patlabor221 | then that again explains a lot |
| 21:40.07 | captain_proton | wow you guys talk a lot |
| 21:40.24 | hoda | by putting the face threshold at 2.4 you eliminate alot |
| 21:40.41 | hoda | its just like a script that does it for me |
| 21:40.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah some in the right area some in the wrong area |
| 21:40.55 | hoda | and i can always go back to the original |
| 21:40.59 | hoda | nah |
| 21:41.02 | Patlabor221 | when you desiging in low poly |
| 21:41.08 | hoda | you can optimise any ammount |
| 21:41.12 | Patlabor221 | you get a more quality mesh |
| 21:41.12 | hoda | of poly |
| 21:41.12 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=96 |
| 21:41.26 | Patlabor221 | no wonder your stuff looks like it was made outa boxes |
| 21:41.35 | hoda | it was |
| 21:41.40 | Patlabor221 | exatly |
| 21:41.51 | hoda | but tanks look like boxes |
| 21:42.08 | Patlabor221 | sure booring real tanks do |
| 21:42.11 | hoda | and i use single mesh for static geo |
| 21:42.15 | Patlabor221 | but this isn't reality |
| 21:42.19 | Patlabor221 | you need style |
| 21:42.26 | hoda | these are all concept meshes |
| 21:42.39 | hoda | yeah my buddy is a great artist |
| 21:42.44 | Patlabor221 | concepts usualy have More style then the finals |
| 21:42.44 | hoda | hes getting a pc soon |
| 21:42.50 | Patlabor221 | they get toned down |
| 21:43.19 | Patlabor221 | you refine sytle by removing things not by adding them |
| 21:43.25 | hoda | ive never been a visual artist |
| 21:43.34 | hoda | never will be i think |
| 21:43.36 | Patlabor221 | to be a modeler you have to be |
| 21:43.42 | hoda | you saw my hand drawing |
| 21:43.46 | Patlabor221 | you have to see the mehs in your mind |
| 21:43.51 | hoda | well i can get the job done |
| 21:43.59 | hoda | but no i cant work magic |
| 21:44.03 | Patlabor221 | done and good are not the same thing |
| 21:44.11 | Patlabor221 | done and crap is still crap |
| 21:44.16 | captain_proton | scanline: oooh, nice SS |
| 21:44.42 | scanline | captain_proton: widget templates are so cool... like libglade but ultra-tiny and cruft free :) |
| 21:47.34 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 21:47.45 | Patlabor221 | that is a bad mesh |
| 21:47.52 | hoda | yes |
| 21:47.59 | hoda | 738 poly |
| 21:48.05 | hoda | 144 optimised |
| 21:48.05 | Patlabor221 | think of things more then just extrusions |
| 21:48.18 | hoda | well i love the low poly |
| 21:48.34 | hoda | efficiency |
| 21:48.48 | hoda | it needs guns and armoring |
| 21:48.54 | hoda | and skins |
| 21:49.06 | hoda | look at these models as stand ins |
| 21:49.27 | hoda | ill never be an graphics artist |
| 21:49.42 | Patlabor221 | for stand ins' just use exiting models |
| 21:49.50 | Patlabor221 | don't waste your time making crap |
| 21:50.00 | hoda | i dont think that models crap |
| 21:50.13 | hoda | a real modeler could work with it |
| 21:50.21 | hoda | and its only like 3 hours old |
| 21:51.17 | hoda | it is just primitive shapes |
| 21:52.29 | Patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/t-72.png |
| 21:52.40 | Patlabor221 | that's a model I consider unispired and crap |
| 21:53.03 | Patlabor221 | it's too based on simple extrusions |
| 21:53.24 | hoda | its ok |
| 21:53.30 | hoda | like my models |
| 21:54.14 | hoda | you could model that by hand |
| 21:54.33 | Patlabor221 | that was modeled by hand |
| 21:54.46 | hoda | cool |
| 21:54.53 | hoda | the turret is good |
| 21:55.06 | Patlabor221 | that's the worse part |
| 21:55.14 | Patlabor221 | it's just as simple beveld box |
| 21:55.17 | hoda | nah |
| 21:55.20 | Patlabor221 | sony didn't think it was good |
| 21:55.20 | hoda | i like it |
| 21:55.28 | hoda | the body is too low poly |
| 21:55.34 | Patlabor221 | the publishers didn't think it was goos |
| 21:55.46 | hoda | it needs more dges along the body/treads |
| 21:55.54 | hoda | sony? |
| 21:55.56 | Patlabor221 | it needs a lot more all over |
| 21:55.57 | Patlabor221 | sony |
| 21:56.00 | hoda | for what game? |
| 21:56.05 | Patlabor221 | interplay |
| 21:56.08 | Patlabor221 | ubisoft |
| 21:56.12 | Patlabor221 | all of them |
| 21:56.15 | hoda | ohh |
| 21:56.29 | Patlabor221 | words like booring and flat were often used |
| 21:56.38 | Patlabor221 | but the title was self published anyway |
| 21:56.41 | Patlabor221 | floped |
| 21:56.46 | hoda | well it is too flat on the sides |
| 21:57.01 | Patlabor221 | they didn't mean in a geometric sense |
| 21:57.08 | Patlabor221 | they meant in a style sense |
| 21:57.12 | hoda | ahh |
| 21:57.36 | hoda | well if its modeled after a t 72 it dosnt have style |
| 21:58.04 | Patlabor221 | it has no defiing characteristics |
| 21:58.10 | captain_proton | good models can make a cube look interesting |
| 21:58.13 | Patlabor221 | exactly it looks borring. real is booring |
| 21:58.26 | hoda | rofl |
| 21:58.30 | Patlabor221 | you need a well defined profile |
| 21:58.37 | hoda | wanna see the most insane cube ever edited? |
| 21:58.38 | Patlabor221 | cus that's all that realy counts |
| 21:58.50 | Patlabor221 | if it's just a subdificed cube |
| 21:58.51 | Patlabor221 | then no |
| 21:58.52 | hoda | with out vertex manipulation |
| 21:59.07 | scanline | captain_proton: star trek does that all the time, right? |
| 21:59.21 | captain_proton | scanline: exactly |
| 21:59.23 | Patlabor221 | if you didn't manipulat the verts, then how is it not a just a cube |
| 22:01.38 | captain_proton | mumble mumble |
| 22:03.25 | hoda | cant find it |
| 22:03.36 | hoda | it was insane though |
| 22:04.36 | Patlabor221 | cap is it just too nasty to do right now? |
| 22:04.47 | Patlabor221 | easyer to split everythig first |
| 22:04.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: thats what it seems to me |
| 22:04.55 | captain_proton | :P |
| 22:05.02 | Patlabor221 | it may be for the best |
| 22:05.07 | Patlabor221 | split with what is there |
| 22:05.10 | Patlabor221 | make sure it works |
| 22:05.10 | captain_proton | it would be easier if i wrote an ass-end for BzfEvent within LGE |
| 22:19.02 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: 'end of the world' is a gooooood song |
| 22:19.03 | captain_proton | :) |
| 22:21.40 | Patlabor221 | I haven't had time to sit down and listen to them all |
| 22:21.54 | Patlabor221 | there was girl here |
| 22:22.01 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 22:22.04 | captain_proton | i see how it is |
| 22:22.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:22.22 | Patlabor221 | she smelled nice |
| 22:22.26 | Patlabor221 | REALLLLLLY nice |
| 22:22.31 | Patlabor221 | REALY REaLY REALY nice |
| 22:22.37 | sussudio | new car smell? |
| 22:23.23 | Patlabor221 | but all this talk of tank models got me a goin. |
| 22:23.45 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/tank3.png |
| 22:24.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the body needs work |
| 22:24.21 | captain_proton | turret is slick |
| 22:24.27 | Patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 22:24.36 | Patlabor221 | barrel is too thin too |
| 22:25.13 | Patlabor221 | I think I'll square off the angled parts that go form the treads to the body |
| 22:25.26 | Patlabor221 | I like how it has that "w" shape from the top view |
| 22:25.36 | captain_proton | i'd make the body really thin vertically |
| 22:25.39 | Patlabor221 | but now it just kinda looks like a bow tie |
| 22:26.08 | Patlabor221 | well then the turret may look too big |
| 22:26.16 | scanline | hehe.. from the top it looks like one of those boats that has the large floats on either side (forget what they're called...) |
| 22:26.25 | Patlabor221 | pontoons |
| 22:26.29 | captain_proton | or catamaran |
| 22:26.32 | Patlabor221 | that's kinda the look I was going for |
| 22:26.34 | scanline | ah |
| 22:26.34 | scanline | cool |
| 22:26.59 | captain_proton | scanline: you gotta see the crawling eye once i finish encoding |
| 22:27.01 | Patlabor221 | I am also thinging of maybe trying something with an off center gun barrel |
| 22:27.06 | captain_proton | its like the UNX-Files |
| 22:27.19 | scanline | captain_proton: just let me know when it's encoded :) |
| 22:30.40 | sussudio | but jimmy james has fancy pants |
| 22:33.22 | Patlabor221 | fanyc pants? |
| 22:35.02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i just killed 4 days of LGE work |
| 22:35.03 | captain_proton | :( |
| 22:35.38 | Patlabor221 | you made a backup right? |
| 22:35.44 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 22:35.57 | Patlabor221 | so it wasn't a full waste |
| 22:36.06 | Patlabor221 | the bastardized LGE is useable |
| 22:36.32 | Patlabor221 | as is all the rez swap stuff |
| 22:36.37 | captain_proton | ohh i'm keeping the bastardized LGE |
| 22:36.44 | captain_proton | i just dropped all the integration i had done so far |
| 22:37.09 | MrApathyCream | integration? as in std::string? |
| 22:37.21 | captain_proton | no |
| 22:37.26 | captain_proton | integrating LGE into bz |
| 22:37.39 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 22:38.05 | Patlabor221 | now I'll have to move my changes back |
| 22:38.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: your changes? |
| 22:38.20 | Patlabor221 | well I did them in the wrong project |
| 22:38.34 | Patlabor221 | as I was going through mymain to see how everyting worked |
| 22:38.38 | Patlabor221 | I made some cleanups |
| 22:38.52 | Patlabor221 | and fixed up winmain |
| 22:39.01 | captain_proton | ohh right |
| 22:39.06 | captain_proton | i *think* you should be fine |
| 22:39.09 | captain_proton | all my changes were local |
| 22:39.17 | Patlabor221 | I should be |
| 22:40.00 | MrApathyCream | if only we used a source control management system |
| 22:40.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: um...? |
| 22:40.30 | Patlabor221 | we did |
| 22:40.34 | scanline | winmain? I thought this was SDL code? |
| 22:41.20 | Patlabor221 | cap was working on that |
| 22:41.20 | captain_proton | scanline: there's always a WinMain on windows |
| 22:41.20 | captain_proton | even with SDL |
| 22:41.20 | Patlabor221 | I was looking to see how the render was put in there |
| 22:41.21 | scanline | captain_proton: yeah, but SDL provides the winmain |
| 22:41.21 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:41.27 | Patlabor221 | you init it from your winmain |
| 22:41.30 | Patlabor221 | or main |
| 22:41.37 | scanline | yes, it does. SDL's WinMain is in one of the libs it links in with `sdl-config --libs` |
| 22:41.53 | Patlabor221 | well we didn't link that sucker in there |
| 22:42.02 | scanline | well phooey, you should |
| 22:42.04 | Patlabor221 | cus I use my own main |
| 22:42.15 | Patlabor221 | what does it buy us? |
| 22:42.19 | scanline | portability |
| 22:42.30 | scanline | you only have to have one main |
| 22:42.45 | Patlabor221 | right now all winmain does is init the windows specific net API and then call the regular main. |
| 22:43.07 | Patlabor221 | we'd still have to have a #define in there to init that |
| 22:43.12 | Patlabor221 | and get the app dir |
| 22:43.29 | captain_proton | ergh |
| 22:43.37 | captain_proton | right now bzflag defines the context to be the entire size of the screen |
| 22:43.46 | captain_proton | and if its in windowed mode it glScissor's out of it |
| 22:43.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh super super icky |
| 22:44.13 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:50.39 | scanline | eh, just keep molding the code into the shape you have destined for it, and eventually it will compile :) |
| 22:52.21 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 22:52.42 | Patlabor221 | kinda like the refactoring idea of design. |
| 22:52.53 | scanline | I find that method works pretty well when I'm doing a big redesign of some subsystem in picogui |
| 22:52.54 | Patlabor221 | "just bang on it for a while and something will come out" |
| 22:52.55 | captain_proton | LGE will be cool if it ever works |
| 22:53.04 | captain_proton | first time BZ will be able to swtich between fullscreen or windowed mode |
| 22:53.19 | scanline | If you put too much weight on having code that compiles, you can have cruft left over :) |
| 22:53.32 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:01.09 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:01.14 | captain_proton | this is wanting a resize callback |
| 23:06.27 | hoda | hey pat i bout to supe up that mesh |
| 23:08.57 | MrApathyCream | <scanline>If you put too much weight on having code that compiles, you can have cruft left over :) |
| 23:09.17 | MrApathyCream | ok, then, scanline, you promise that you will be here to till the finish making the program work when it gets into disarray? |
| 23:09.36 | MrApathyCream | We can count on you to be coding nite and day till it's done? |
| 23:09.45 | scanline | ? |
| 23:09.46 | MrApathyCream | cause no one else is willing to make that commitment. |
| 23:10.15 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I was talking about overnight hack sessions when I'm redoing large portions of code |
| 23:11.31 | scanline | if it's something that takes longer than a day or two, I'll do it in smaller pieces |
| 23:12.24 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen_BZFlag? |
| 23:12.24 | | BZFlag was last seen on #BZFlag saying: I think we need to get 1.7e8 out quickly, say in the next week, end of nov at the latest. |
| 23:15.29 | MrApathyCream | hmmm chestal/akira patch seems to not patch right, even by hand |
| 23:57.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hehe :) |
