| 00:00.02 | MrApathyCream | (not that it's ready in current form) |
| 00:00.52 | BZFlag | I'm not looking forward to putting the old interface back in, no. |
| 00:01.23 | MrApathyCream | k, i don't care, but some do |
| 00:01.32 | BZFlag | I'd be happy with a patch that shrinks the viewport and fills the "control panel" area in with opaque radar and msg but does not add the graphic back. |
| 00:02.11 | BZFlag | I noticed the cheat change. do you believe the old version would cause problems? |
| 00:02.39 | MrApathyCream | well, not really, but if player had flag, shot, then dropped flag, but server received in opposite order, it wouldn't emit any shot |
| 00:02.50 | MrApathyCream | even tho player wasn't cheating |
| 00:02.53 | MrApathyCream | now it will work |
| 00:03.32 | Widget | What's wrong with the old graphic? |
| 00:04.04 | MrApathyCream | -- so what do you think max 3d distances would be between tank and (flag|shot) to be legal? |
| 00:04.35 | MrApathyCream | (from server's prespective) |
| 00:11.35 | BZFlag | well the issue is that the server does not track the player location. so if you were traveling in a straight line and dead reconning kicked in, the server view of your position could be very different from the actual position. |
| 00:11.47 | BZFlag | ~spell reconning |
| 00:11.47 | | possible spellings for reconning: re conning re-conning |
| 00:11.58 | BZFlag | ~spell recconning |
| 00:11.58 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'recconning' |
| 00:12.34 | BZFlag | ~spell reckoning |
| 00:12.34 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'reckoning' |
| 00:12.58 | BZFlag | well, however you spell it. |
| 00:13.27 | MrApathyCream | emm. if dead recon-ing kicks in do we want you to be able to pick up flags? |
| 00:13.34 | MrApathyCream | or shoot, for that matter? |
| 00:15.33 | BZFlag | well current clients will iirc. |
| 00:16.12 | BZFlag | I think the client should be required to send a position update on shot or flag grab. and that shot and flag grab should not contain the info. but that would be net changes. |
| 00:16.51 | MrApathyCream | ah, k, makes sense. |
| 00:17.49 | BZFlag | might be interesting to try sending a warning on some near distance and then try it on a real world server. |
| 00:18.04 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:18.30 | MrApathyCream | any interest in time-expiring flags? |
| 00:18.46 | MrApathyCream | (not per flag type, but overall) |
| 00:19.18 | BZFlag | not really. |
| 00:19.50 | BZFlag | once we do net changes I'd like to limit laser distance and enforce intershot delays for laser and GM. |
| 00:20.20 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 00:23.29 | MrApathyCream | well, then, other than world caching, i'd be happy with where were at |
| 00:28.36 | BZFlag | no interest in hacking up the "control panel" change? ;-) |
| 00:28.58 | MrApathyCream | i don't care, i know some have strong feelings tho |
| 00:30.10 | MrApathyCream | checking: [ 633472 ] Misc fixes for playing.cxx |
| 00:30.16 | MrApathyCream | potentially useful patches |
| 00:32.08 | MrApathyCream | yup, i'll add the right ones ;) |
| 00:32.12 | hoda | i think theyre should be other modules/expansions for tanks in bzflag |
| 00:32.30 | hoda | like ones for shields and ones for engines and ones for other things |
| 00:32.46 | Patlabor221 | there is a shield now |
| 00:32.57 | hoda | uhh |
| 00:33.03 | hoda | your not understanding |
| 00:33.09 | Patlabor221 | and a fast turn/high speed |
| 00:33.13 | Patlabor221 | no I know what you want |
| 00:33.22 | Patlabor221 | and that would make it a bit of a difrent game |
| 00:33.25 | hoda | instead of being able to hold one flag of 1 type |
| 00:33.38 | Patlabor221 | component based upgrades |
| 00:33.39 | hoda | be able to hold 3-4 flags of dif types |
| 00:33.44 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:33.47 | BZFlag | right. you want power ups. that would dramatically change the game. |
| 00:33.51 | Patlabor221 | would make it more complex |
| 00:33.53 | hoda | no |
| 00:33.58 | Patlabor221 | requrie complete rebalanceing |
| 00:34.03 | hoda | just more complexity |
| 00:34.13 | hoda | hmm more is more though |
| 00:34.23 | hoda | unless you totally rebalance it |
| 00:34.24 | Patlabor221 | more is not allways better |
| 00:34.27 | hoda | no |
| 00:34.50 | hoda | i mean uhh if all flags are equal it shouldnt matter |
| 00:35.01 | Patlabor221 | you would think that |
| 00:35.12 | Patlabor221 | but flags are never equal |
| 00:35.18 | Patlabor221 | lazer and GM have shown that |
| 00:35.30 | Patlabor221 | or at least there uses aren't |
| 00:35.40 | hoda | GM |
| 00:35.42 | hoda | ? |
| 00:35.47 | hoda | oh |
| 00:35.47 | Patlabor221 | Guided Missle |
| 00:35.49 | hoda | guided |
| 00:35.58 | hoda | yeah alot of people just use those |
| 00:36.08 | MrApathyCream | this is nasty wrong, no? |
| 00:36.09 | MrApathyCream | // restart the tank |
| 00:36.09 | MrApathyCream | myTank->restart(bestStartPoint, startAzimuth); |
| 00:36.09 | MrApathyCream | if (!Observer) |
| 00:36.09 | MrApathyCream | serverLink->sendAlive(myTank->getPosition(), myTank->getForward()); |
| 00:36.09 | MrApathyCream | serverLink->sendAlive(myTank->getPosition(), myTank->getForward()); |
| 00:36.14 | Patlabor221 | I'd personaly like to see gameplay in bz like supspace. |
| 00:36.16 | MrApathyCream | --two sendAlives? |
| 00:36.20 | Patlabor221 | but then it would not be BZ |
| 00:36.23 | hoda | i liked subspace |
| 00:36.36 | hoda | well it would not be teer also |
| 00:36.41 | hoda | better |
| 00:36.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah MAC that seems wring |
| 00:37.00 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: heh. I known JeffP (subspace author) very well. |
| 00:37.03 | Patlabor221 | unless they realy wanted to make sure you were alive. |
| 00:37.33 | Patlabor221 | bzflag: my old roomie was a huge SS fanatic, refed leauges and everything. |
| 00:37.38 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: huh? it's sendig alive twice? |
| 00:37.49 | Patlabor221 | bzfalg: they had a number of great gameplay ideas |
| 00:38.18 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 00:38.21 | MrApathyCream | fixing |
| 00:38.24 | Patlabor221 | only if your not an observer |
| 00:38.25 | BZFlag | "they" ? ;-) it was almost entirely jeff. he and I talked game play often while he was writing it. |
| 00:38.40 | BZFlag | never did talk him into a linux release though. ;-) |
| 00:38.50 | Patlabor221 | bzflag: well it was said there was multple people working on it :) |
| 00:39.11 | Patlabor221 | bzflag: first real game like thing I wrote was a Mac SS type clone thing |
| 00:39.15 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: yeah, there was an animator and a graphic artist as well as jeff. |
| 00:39.26 | Patlabor221 | what is he doing now? |
| 00:39.38 | Patlabor221 | still with the infantry stuff? |
| 00:40.02 | BZFlag | just moved to CA. yeah, Infantry as far as I know. |
| 00:40.20 | Patlabor221 | did they move him to verant's offices? |
| 00:40.25 | BZFlag | they are looking at handheld gaming ideas, but I don't think they have started any yet. |
| 00:40.40 | BZFlag | verant? don't know. |
| 00:41.18 | Patlabor221 | I just know they had a large set of offices in San diego and had some other sony stuff going on there. |
| 00:41.37 | Patlabor221 | tho SS has sort of been reborn in the form of CosmicRift. |
| 00:43.17 | Patlabor221 | uggggg |
| 00:44.06 | BZFlag | SS netcode is one of the things I reviewed in thinking through the future bz code. |
| 00:44.27 | BZFlag | there's a ton of anti cheat stuff in SS netcode. |
| 00:44.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah there is |
| 00:44.53 | Patlabor221 | I liked how it had account levels |
| 00:45.07 | Patlabor221 | and refs had nice leauge tools |
| 00:45.36 | Patlabor221 | tho we did figure out how to cheat the leauge high score stuff |
| 00:45.47 | Patlabor221 | but only so we could tell them what the exploit was :) |
| 00:46.00 | MrApathyCream | sure |
| 00:46.17 | Patlabor221 | no we realy did, sent them how we did it the next day |
| 00:46.33 | Patlabor221 | but it was nice to be on the top of the list for a bit :) |
| 00:46.38 | Patlabor221 | it was fun too |
| 00:46.52 | Patlabor221 | we had to log in 20 instances of a client into the same zone |
| 00:46.59 | Patlabor221 | on our T1 at work |
| 00:47.01 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: did you try the win32 cleanups? I was looking at doing those the other day, but decided I'd wait till I could test them. |
| 00:47.01 | Patlabor221 | then rush home |
| 00:47.43 | Patlabor221 | ohh I should check in my winmain cleanups, or at least have somone look at them |
| 00:48.01 | BZFlag | JeffP's idle on icq... |
| 00:48.21 | Patlabor221 | he's proalby asleep it's like midnight out here :) |
| 00:49.33 | MrApathyCream | win32 cleanups meaning installer? |
| 00:50.29 | BZFlag | normal JeffP hours were noon to 3am when he was out here (UT). Don't know if that changed since the move to CA. |
| 00:50.45 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: yeah, the commits. |
| 00:51.57 | Patlabor221 | what's the installer made with, regular install shield? |
| 00:52.22 | BZFlag | no, custom installer code. |
| 00:52.33 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 00:52.54 | Patlabor221 | I am going to look at the nullsoft installer for bzedit |
| 00:53.05 | Patlabor221 | it's nice, small, and free. |
| 00:53.41 | BZFlag | nice, small and free is Good. ;-) |
| 00:53.48 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 00:54.04 | Patlabor221 | and it dosn't look like all the other installers in the world :) |
| 00:54.15 | Patlabor221 | a lot of opensouce projects seem to be using it |
| 00:54.59 | Patlabor221 | http://www.nullsoft.com/free/nsis/ |
| 00:58.41 | MrApathyCream | we NEED a new win-installer |
| 00:59.05 | Patlabor221 | the NSIS one is realy neat |
| 00:59.40 | hoda | cool |
| 00:59.48 | hoda | it can edit the registry |
| 01:00.10 | Patlabor221 | it can do all sorts of things |
| 01:00.25 | Patlabor221 | any modern installer on windows needs to edit the reg |
| 01:00.34 | Patlabor221 | and there are win32 functions to do it |
| 01:00.36 | hoda | its awesome |
| 01:00.50 | Patlabor221 | heck regedit is realy just a test app of those functions |
| 01:01.58 | hoda | still its a nice proggy |
| 01:02.15 | Patlabor221 | yes there is nice and small |
| 01:02.30 | Patlabor221 | most nullsoft stuff is very compact and functional |
| 01:03.06 | hoda | is nullsoft a company or group? |
| 01:03.23 | Patlabor221 | a company |
| 01:03.27 | Patlabor221 | they make winamp |
| 01:03.59 | hoda | ah |
| 01:05.24 | hoda | whats an asynchronous network abstraction layer? |
| 01:06.50 | scanline | mmm |
| 01:06.58 | Patlabor221 | a network API that works in the background and does not tie to an thing hardware specific. would be my guess |
| 01:07.11 | Patlabor221 | like nutella |
| 01:07.17 | scanline | Sounded more like TCP to me... |
| 01:07.23 | hoda | just makes tcp connections? |
| 01:07.32 | Patlabor221 | where do you see this? |
| 01:07.42 | captain_proton | scanline: depends on your definition of layer |
| 01:07.55 | Patlabor221 | could be a higher level layer |
| 01:07.57 | scanline | well, "asynchronous network" implies that you won't be getting things in any particular order and "abstraction layer" would probably be something to hide that |
| 01:08.30 | captain_proton | or it could be an (asynchronous)(network abstraction layer) |
| 01:08.31 | hoda | nullsofts' JnetLib |
| 01:08.40 | hoda | basicly |
| 01:08.46 | hoda | whats abstaraction? |
| 01:08.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think that's the thing that runs nutella |
| 01:08.52 | hoda | abstraction? |
| 01:09.03 | Patlabor221 | it abstracts a file sharing network |
| 01:09.08 | scanline | hoda: that's what happens when you let artists write code |
| 01:09.10 | captain_proton | scanline: lisp hackers have to be bound (to 'do it) |
| 01:09.23 | Patlabor221 | ha this is a good line "Completely asynchronous love for single threaded apps. |
| 01:09.35 | hoda | o hoho |
| 01:09.40 | hoda | ha ha |
| 01:09.45 | hoda | NERD |
| 01:10.15 | BZFlag | jeff says he's working on everquest now. |
| 01:10.21 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhh |
| 01:10.34 | Patlabor221 | twinkin the newbs :) |
| 01:10.40 | hoda | hey pat did you hear the one about the quantum fluctuation and the sub atomic particle? |
| 01:10.49 | Patlabor221 | must mean CosmicRift and Infantry are done. |
| 01:11.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah hoda last week. |
| 01:11.05 | hoda | rofl |
| 01:11.07 | hoda | NERD |
| 01:11.14 | captain_proton | hmm i had all the do-it jokes in a file somewhere |
| 01:11.14 | Patlabor221 | child. |
| 01:11.51 | captain_proton | scanline: btw, crawling eye (+ trailer) is in my home dir on navi |
| 01:12.04 | scanline | captain_proton: thanks :) |
| 01:12.20 | captain_proton | i think i gotta reencode kronos to fix the audio sync |
| 01:15.11 | Patlabor221 | offfta that editor interface is all jacked up now |
| 01:15.29 | hoda | anyone wanna see me smoke a maggot?? |
| 01:15.31 | Patlabor221 | but at least it's now using the dynamic classes |
| 01:15.42 | Patlabor221 | not realy. |
| 01:15.59 | hoda | i burn its head off |
| 01:16.03 | hoda | in a pipe |
| 01:16.12 | Patlabor221 | please just go away. |
| 01:16.31 | Patlabor221 | well I'm off to bed |
| 01:16.36 | captain_proton | 'night Patlabor221 |
| 01:16.47 | Patlabor221 | cap: I leave Hoda in your capable, banable, hands :) |
| 01:16.49 | Patlabor221 | see ya cap. |
| 01:16.59 | captain_proton | Mathematicians do it in theory |
| 01:17.15 | captain_proton | scanline: Printers do it without wrinkling the sheets. |
| 01:17.41 | scanline | ha |
| 01:18.10 | hoda | that is funny |
| 01:18.25 | captain_proton | hmm, lets see, what are some good ones.... |
| 01:18.31 | captain_proton | Unix programmers do it with pipes |
| 01:18.38 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:18.52 | captain_proton | EE's do it without shorts |
| 01:18.56 | scanline | Win32 programmers do it with as many arguments as possible :P |
| 01:19.24 | captain_proton | Hackers do it with all sorts of characters |
| 01:19.27 | hoda | you guys should watch this avi of me smoking a maggot |
| 01:19.35 | captain_proton | hoda: no thanks |
| 01:19.43 | hoda | yuo can see it ignote |
| 01:19.47 | hoda | ignite |
| 01:19.53 | captain_proton | if you REALLY feel the need to be stupid, please don't involve us |
| 01:19.55 | scanline | hoda: I'd rather spend all night telling you things I'd rather do |
| 01:20.11 | hoda | its only 864 megs |
| 01:20.47 | hoda | i guess you have to smoke a maggot to think thats funny |
| 01:27.34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: so what was the opinion on e8? |
| 01:30.42 | captain_proton | hmm, whoever wrote this article (http://www.eet.com/at/news/OEG20021111S0) has an obvious habit: |
| 01:30.52 | captain_proton | ...ehe same performance as the ASCII White system from IBM Corp. that the... |
| 01:30.56 | captain_proton | ASCII White? :) |
| 01:59.54 | Pinguin | :-) |
| 02:19.19 | BZFlag | let's ship e8 before the holiday rush. ;-) |
| 02:19.45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what specifically did you say re: interfaces? |
| 02:20.22 | bomber | moin moin |
| 02:21.00 | ak|ra | huhu |
| 02:21.24 | BZFlag | interfaces? |
| 02:21.36 | captain_proton | BZFlag: panel stuffs |
| 02:21.39 | BZFlag | ie: the old hud patch? |
| 02:21.52 | prodan | guete morge |
| 02:21.57 | captain_proton | ya |
| 02:22.17 | BZFlag | I'd like to see a patch that make the radar and message areas fill the bottom of the screen and then resize the view area to only use the rest. |
| 02:23.00 | BZFlag | sorta like the old hud, but without the control-panel graphic. |
| 02:23.04 | BZFlag | preferably accessible from the menus without a restart. |
| 02:23.16 | BZFlag | back in a few... |
| 02:47.12 | captain_proton | i'm gonna go sleep |
| 02:47.31 | captain_proton | i'm fine with either so long as we get the software-renderers to stop complaining |
| 03:19.43 | Pinguin | ibot bomber? |
| 03:19.43 | | Pinguin: no idea |
| 03:26.40 | bomber | ibot Pinguin |
| 03:26.40 | | bomber: i don't know |
| 03:26.50 | bomber | ibot Pinguin? |
| 03:26.50 | | wish i knew, bomber |
| 03:27.05 | bomber | ibot insult Pinguin |
| 03:27.07 | Pinguin | LASS ES SO! |
| 03:27.11 | Pinguin | he ... |
| 03:27.25 | Pinguin | ibot insult bomber much more |
| 03:27.26 | bomber | he...he |
| 03:27.33 | Pinguin | lol |
| 03:27.46 | bomber | wie gehts? |
| 03:27.56 | Pinguin | soweit so gut ... gnomemeeting? |
| 03:28.05 | bomber | ok..lets try |
| 03:28.07 | bomber | :o) |
| 04:39.28 | [dmp] | ibot ducati |
| 04:39.28 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:39.29 | bzbot | Snowball (G): -13 (15-28). prodan (penguins) (G): 2 (17-15). calico (R): 9 (28-19). |
| 04:41.36 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 04:41.36 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 04:41.36 | bzbot | [dmp] (R): 0 (1-1). Snowball (G): -17 (16-33). prodan (penguins) (G): 3 (22-19). calico (R): 9 (33-24). tai (R): 1 (1-0). |
| 04:47.31 | BZFlag | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 05:28.09 | prodan | Cheater on ducati, callsign : lots of numbers |
| 05:28.22 | prodan | are you there Chestal? |
| 05:28.29 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 05:28.29 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:28.30 | bzbot | root (G): 8 (57-49). xabbu (R): 0 (11-11). goshawk (G): -10 (1-11). 3255910556 (R): 3 (3-0). trubi (G): 7 (44-37). |
| 06:19.43 | ak|ra | re |
| 06:19.55 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 06:19.55 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 06:19.55 | bzbot | MedioMan (R): 3 (8-5). blade deux (G): -2 (58-60). [dmp] (R): 46 (121-75). baptiste (G): -14 (9-23). epon (G): -22 (15-37). Weichei (R): -9 (64-73). |
| 06:27.41 | Chestal | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 07:08.09 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 07:12.02 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 07:12.25 | MrApathyCream | i modified the cheat prot, based on our talk |
| 07:12.31 | MrApathyCream | I believe it's safe now |
| 07:12.52 | bzdougggggg | ? |
| 07:12.54 | MrApathyCream | only 'issue' is if player has flag, shoots, then drops, but server gets them out of order |
| 07:13.10 | MrApathyCream | a plain bullet will be fired in this case. |
| 07:13.16 | MrApathyCream | But this is correct according to the server |
| 07:13.32 | MrApathyCream | otherwise all other sitations are correct |
| 07:14.11 | Chestal | MAC: I guess this is ok, this mismatch shojldn't happen very often anyway, very rarely I'd guess |
| 07:14.20 | MrApathyCream | yes, i would think |
| 07:22.10 | Chestal | anyway, the chanegs should be testet on a production server before release |
| 07:22.44 | Chestal | I could switch to current server code for ducati, but I do only have few flags on 5155 |
| 07:22.53 | Chestal | is the caching already in CVS? |
| 07:23.24 | MrApathyCream | caching is not in |
| 07:23.37 | MrApathyCream | need: mac os support, cache cleanout code |
| 07:23.57 | MrApathyCream | currently cache just grows and grows |
| 07:25.15 | Chestal | hmm, clean entries older than n days on each start? |
| 07:25.51 | Chestal | is the cache just the files itself? or is there a management file? |
| 07:26.15 | bzdougggggg | will there be cache in e8? |
| 07:26.30 | bzdougggggg | and can I open the cached worlds in an editor? |
| 07:27.16 | MrApathyCream | the cache is just a directory of files |
| 07:27.23 | bzdougggggg | oh good |
| 07:27.34 | bzdougggggg | are they standard world files? |
| 07:27.35 | MrApathyCream | thought was to keep a cache of 'n' worlds (configurable) |
| 07:27.44 | bzdougggggg | or is it messed up? |
| 07:27.45 | bzdougggggg | ah |
| 07:27.54 | MrApathyCream | temp worlds would have old mod dates so they go first |
| 07:28.03 | bzdougggggg | hm |
| 07:28.10 | MrApathyCream | bzdougggggg: these are world database files, not bzw files |
| 07:29.00 | bzdougggggg | ? |
| 07:29.00 | bzdougggggg | whats the dif? |
| 07:29.00 | MrApathyCream | world database files are binary representations of bzw files |
| 07:29.01 | bzdougggggg | ah |
| 07:29.02 | bzdougggggg | can you convert them? |
| 07:29.16 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome ;) |
| 07:29.28 | bzdougggggg | blehh |
| 07:29.39 | MrApathyCream | actually, when post 1.8 comes out, the world format will change, and this will be addressed then, prolly |
| 07:29.46 | MrApathyCream | er, post 1.7e8 |
| 07:29.52 | bzdougggggg | heh |
| 07:29.55 | bzdougggggg | 2.0 |
| 07:31.06 | bzdougggggg | hm |
| 07:31.14 | bzdougggggg | is there e8 up in CVS? |
| 07:31.25 | bzdougggggg | does somebody have a binary? |
| 07:32.00 | bzdougggggg | also what we need is to sort the server list in the game by server version |
| 07:32.23 | bzdougggggg | put all the servers with people in it on the top, then sort by server version |
| 07:32.43 | MrApathyCream | i have a win binary |
| 07:32.50 | bzdougggggg | oh? |
| 07:33.07 | bzdougggggg | does caching work on all servers? |
| 07:33.07 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 07:33.16 | MrApathyCream | choose download on 1.7f7 |
| 07:33.20 | bzdougggggg | k |
| 07:33.31 | MrApathyCream | caching isn't in cvs tho |
| 07:33.43 | MrApathyCream | caching would only work with 1.7e8 clients and servers |
| 07:33.49 | MrApathyCream | but won't break anyone |
| 07:33.51 | bzdougggggg | oh.... |
| 07:34.02 | bzdougggggg | so this cacheing is not gonne be in 1.7? |
| 07:34.12 | MrApathyCream | 1.7e8 yes |
| 07:34.19 | bzdougggggg | k |
| 07:34.20 | bzdougggggg | ooh |
| 07:34.21 | bzdougggggg | Self Destruct Key |
| 07:34.22 | bzdougggggg | :) |
| 07:34.55 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:35.04 | bzdougggggg | slick |
| 07:35.09 | bzdougggggg | this is not CVS? |
| 07:35.31 | MrApathyCream | self destruct is in cvs |
| 07:35.34 | bzdougggggg | also, how do you add patches and .diff to windows? |
| 07:35.38 | bzdougggggg | ah, k |
| 07:37.39 | MrApathyCream | <www.nullsoft.com>: NSIS tries to be a scriptable win32 installer/uninstaller system that doesn't suck and isn't huge. |
| 07:40.06 | bzdougggggg | heh |
| 07:40.09 | bzdougggggg | I saw that |
| 07:40.23 | bzdougggggg | whats the self destruct key? |
| 07:40.29 | MrApathyCream | del |
| 07:40.39 | bzdougggggg | ah |
| 07:40.40 | MrApathyCream | configurable in bzc file |
| 07:40.45 | bzdougggggg | k |
| 07:42.14 | fiberchunks | MrApathyCream: works nicely too, thanks for that |
| 07:43.21 | bzdougggggg | cool |
| 07:43.34 | bzdougggggg | now what does it say on the other peoples clients? |
| 07:43.43 | bzdougggggg | tank self destructed? |
| 07:43.55 | fiberchunks | bzdougggggg: blew myself up, I believe |
| 07:44.01 | bzdougggggg | hm |
| 07:44.05 | bzdougggggg | k |
| 07:44.23 | fiberchunks | bzdougggggg: also subs 1 from score |
| 07:44.32 | bzdougggggg | yea |
| 07:44.41 | fiberchunks | MrApathyCream: should a subtraction be done if you're stuck? |
| 07:45.15 | fiberchunks | MrApathyCream: i.e. a world problem, and no fault of your own? |
| 07:45.36 | MrApathyCream | yes, absolutely |
| 07:45.48 | MrApathyCream | your stupid fault for getting stuck :) |
| 07:46.00 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:47.09 | fiberchunks | MrApathyCream: is this going to grow into a method of taking out surrounding tanks as well? |
| 07:47.21 | MrApathyCream | no, i don't think so |
| 07:48.47 | bzdougggggg | bah |
| 07:48.49 | bzdougggggg | should be... |
| 07:48.50 | bzdougggggg | ;) |
| 07:49.11 | fiberchunks | MrApathyCream: noticed a basic logging patch for bzfs...you think database logging would be more useful than tstamped text file (IP address, callsign, id, etc) |
| 07:49.59 | bzdougggggg | BLEEEEEEK |
| 07:51.24 | bzdougggggg | nice theme in bzflag too |
| 07:51.26 | bzdougggggg | diferent |
| 07:57.29 | bzdougggggg | we need real trees in bzflag |
| 08:01.31 | MrApathyCream | db log too slow |
| 08:11.21 | Mayhem | greetings all |
| 08:13.13 | Mayhem | we WILL NOT help make your crappy game (captain_proton) <-- ??? |
| 08:19.53 | fiberchunks | ah... |
| 08:25.50 | bomber | ibot ducati? |
| 08:25.51 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 08:25.51 | bzbot | endi (G): -1 (0-1). epon (G): -28 (15-43). prodan (penguins) (R): 25 (38-13). Freshman (R): -1 (2-3). |
| 08:53.59 | bzdougggggg | ~topic shuffle |
| 09:01.44 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: db logging isn't necessary, if they want a db they can pipe it into a perl script |
| 09:10.11 | Chestal | uh? it does currently? |
| 09:10.31 | captain_proton | no it doesn't |
| 09:10.34 | captain_proton | it sorts by # of players |
| 09:10.50 | Chestal | so, who is proposing to do it by version? |
| 09:10.51 | captain_proton | <bzdougggggg> also what we need is to sort the server list in the game by server version |
| 09:11.19 | Chestal | I can imagine lots of improvements to the server list |
| 09:11.27 | Chestal | but I wuld postpone that to future versions anyway |
| 09:13.22 | captain_proton | but would any of those improvements include sorting by server version? |
| 09:17.59 | Mayhem | are we moving towards bzfs tracking player and shot positions? |
| 09:19.06 | captain_proton | Mayhem: yep |
| 09:19.39 | Mayhem | Is it too overboard for it to use RemotePlayer objects for this... |
| 09:19.59 | captain_proton | for now, probably |
| 09:20.16 | captain_proton | eventually i want to move hit detection into the server |
| 09:20.48 | Mayhem | extending the PlayerInfo struct seems a bit messy when Remoteplayer has all the goodies |
| 09:21.14 | Mayhem | I agree about the hit detection, eventually I guess |
| 09:22.06 | Mayhem | maybe hit 'verification' should be done by the server |
| 09:22.20 | captain_proton | there's no point to do it both places |
| 09:23.14 | bzdougggggg | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 09:23.17 | Mayhem | just to save server workload, it only has to check when someone reports a possible hit, instead of all the time |
| 09:23.20 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 09:24.00 | Patlabor221 | that would be bad |
| 09:24.02 | captain_proton | Mayhem: that would make it worst |
| 09:24.02 | Patlabor221 | then if you don't report it, it dosn't check |
| 09:24.03 | captain_proton | the problem is that people already can be invincible by not reporting possible hits |
| 09:24.05 | Patlabor221 | the server must maintain a rock solid game state |
| 09:24.50 | Mayhem | yeah, good point. Ok, ignore that suggestion :) |
| 09:25.26 | Patlabor221 | the ony time client side detection works in paralell with server side is on REALLLLY lagy systems, and just so explostions are timed right. |
| 09:25.40 | Patlabor221 | othewize it's a waaste. |
| 09:26.31 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: I'm departing slightly from our common bzedit interface. |
| 09:26.32 | Mayhem | true. so once the server is doing the checking, the explosions will be a bit delayed... |
| 09:26.51 | Patlabor221 | on high lag systems yes |
| 09:27.00 | Mayhem | fair enuff |
| 09:27.11 | Patlabor221 | if it's realy bad, then client side prediction can be added as an enhancemnt |
| 09:27.25 | Mayhem | heh, as long as the prediction gets it right :) |
| 09:27.29 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 09:27.52 | Patlabor221 | but it would only affect the "laggy bitch" and not the other users |
| 09:28.12 | Patlabor221 | the main rule in multiplayer games is "don't trust your clients, they are lying" |
| 09:28.36 | Mayhem | ok, so whats the plan for making the server track player data |
| 09:28.54 | Patlabor221 | I think that is the main thing on the list after 1.7e8 |
| 09:29.34 | Mayhem | which list would that be? |
| 09:30.02 | Patlabor221 | the psudo mental list that is maintained in the colective unconcous of this fourm :) |
| 09:30.17 | Mayhem | ah - thats why I hadn't seen it ;) |
| 09:30.30 | Patlabor221 | there is some stuff on the bzflag.org page |
| 09:30.36 | Patlabor221 | but no consise plan |
| 09:30.52 | Mayhem | yeah |
| 09:30.52 | Patlabor221 | Tim seems to have a plan tho |
| 09:31.40 | Mayhem | I'd like to know, so I'm not looking at unimportant areas |
| 09:33.05 | Mayhem | was going to work on making choosing respawn points server-side... but thats gotta come after lots of other changes |
| 09:37.03 | Patlabor221 | most of the net code seems to need a revisit |
| 09:37.22 | Patlabor221 | net code scares me |
| 09:37.33 | Patlabor221 | I'd rather handle maps/world database/ model stuff |
| 09:38.23 | Mayhem | I quite like net code :) |
| 09:38.34 | Patlabor221 | wonder if bzflag would go for a prefire delay on the lazer? mostly just so I could try out a new visual effect :) |
| 09:38.46 | Mayhem | its like orchestrating a conversation between computers |
| 09:38.56 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 09:39.18 | Patlabor221 | I just don't have much exp with sockets and stuf, and the best way to do it. |
| 09:39.21 | Mayhem | a prefire delay would make it hard to hit |
| 09:39.35 | Patlabor221 | well people say it's too powerfull now |
| 09:39.42 | Mayhem | laser used to be a difficult weapon to use, before it was multiple-shot |
| 09:39.54 | Mayhem | that was why it has a 6 second reload |
| 09:39.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 09:40.27 | Mayhem | on a single-shot server, the laser player needs a bodyguard otherwise they die very quickly |
| 09:41.31 | Patlabor221 | that is true |
| 09:41.48 | Patlabor221 | I know tim want's to lower the range on it |
| 09:42.18 | Patlabor221 | and institute a inter-shot timer for GM |
| 09:43.54 | Chestal | on a non-jumping server GM isn't too powerful, it's ok |
| 09:44.21 | Chestal | and when not usign soemthing like 10 shots, the laser is vulnerable, too |
| 09:45.01 | Patlabor221 | or dougs 100 shot, field of death, server |
| 09:45.54 | Chestal | I don't liek anything > 3 shot anyway, 1 or 2 shot is my favourite |
| 10:10.41 | Mayhem | maybe laser and gm should be limited to 1 shot no matter what the server is set to |
| 10:10.58 | Mayhem | at least as a server admin option |
| 10:11.38 | Mayhem | Chestal: agreed, 1 or 2 shot is the only way to play |
| 10:11.52 | Patlabor221 | that may be a good idea as an option for servers that have problems with them |
| 10:12.01 | Patlabor221 | crap, MAC and bzflag arn't here |
| 10:12.20 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: I had an idea for a thing in e8 that would be small but I just don't know how to do it. |
| 10:13.05 | Patlabor221 | add a "world file " field and a "Publish server to the internet" choice on the internal Start server controls. |
| 10:14.55 | Mayhem | hmm, would you have to type the name of the world file yourself, or would you want to browse for it? |
| 10:15.05 | Patlabor221 | for now I say just type it |
| 10:16.25 | Patlabor221 | it would just help with the "how do I run my map I just made, and I don't know how to use a command line" questions that keep popping up. |
| 10:16.55 | Mayhem | I don't think it would be too difficult (ha, famous last words) |
| 10:17.25 | Patlabor221 | oh I don't think it woul be hard ether, I just don't know much about the pannels |
| 10:19.10 | Mayhem | hmm, that screen is already overloaded with options :( |
| 10:21.02 | Patlabor221 | yes, that is my one worry |
| 10:21.34 | Patlabor221 | but I think there is room for them |
| 10:21.46 | Patlabor221 | and if they are left blank they are just not used |
| 10:22.26 | Patlabor221 | I think eventualy it would be nice to be able to use the mouse in the pannels |
| 10:22.29 | Patlabor221 | not just keys |
| 10:22.40 | Patlabor221 | then there would be more options in laying them out. |
| 10:30.45 | Mayhem | perhaps control of servers should be separated from the game interface |
| 10:40.16 | Patlabor221 | there have been some atempts at making an extrenal app |
| 10:40.21 | Patlabor221 | I made one but it's old. |
| 10:43.12 | Chestal | hmm, Tim did some changes to the view layout |
| 10:47.32 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: prefire delay? |
| 10:47.40 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 10:47.54 | Patlabor221 | well only so I can do a REALLLLY cool effect I just thought of. |
| 10:47.56 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 10:48.01 | captain_proton | whazzat? |
| 10:48.48 | Patlabor221 | have lines of "energy" come from a sphere around the barrel and form into a ball right before fireing. |
| 10:48.56 | Patlabor221 | anime sytle "energy bulge" |
| 10:49.21 | Patlabor221 | like it's gathering something from the ambient atpmoshpere. |
| 10:50.37 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 10:51.32 | Mayhem | cool, that would look awesome |
| 10:52.56 | Mayhem | maybe the player has to hold down fire to 'charge up' the laser, then release it to fire |
| 10:53.52 | captain_proton | laser length depends on how long it charged? :) |
| 10:55.14 | Mayhem | maybe it has to be properly charged, or it doesn't fire. Would slow down the shot rate. |
| 10:56.26 | Patlabor221 | oooooooo are-type style :) |
| 10:56.35 | Patlabor221 | R-Type I mean |
| 10:56.47 | Patlabor221 | that bears testing |
| 11:01.25 | Mayhem | ah, R-Type was an awesome game :) |
| 11:02.17 | Patlabor221 | that it was |
| 11:02.33 | Patlabor221 | and like bz flag, one hit and you die :) |
| 11:03.12 | Mayhem | ibot ducati? |
| 11:03.12 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:03.13 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:03.17 | Mayhem | :( |
| 11:03.18 | Patlabor221 | perpaps with the lazer the longer you charge it the longer it is, and the longer it fires for, but it takes up more shots. |
| 11:05.03 | Mayhem | just had a thought about the GM, instead of the instant lock on, make it like old sidewinder missiles, it takes a few seconds to acquire and lock |
| 11:06.34 | Patlabor221 | if the inter shot fire time is increased it would basicly be like that |
| 11:10.15 | Chestal | I am against general changes to GM |
| 11:10.26 | Chestal | as said before: on non-jumping servers its power is ok |
| 11:10.36 | Mayhem | according to the collective unconscious of this forum, what is on the list for 1.7e8? |
| 11:10.45 | Mayhem | Chestal: yeah, best not muck with it really |
| 11:10.52 | Chestal | I guess noone knows, such a list would be a good idea though |
| 11:11.07 | Patlabor221 | I think just bug fixes, and some map file data cache |
| 11:11.11 | Chestal | in general: only minor changes, and IMHO we need a testing phase after we added all changes |
| 11:11.35 | Mayhem | is there a timeframe in mind? |
| 11:11.40 | captain_proton | real soon now |
| 11:11.50 | Mayhem | heh |
| 11:11.58 | Patlabor221 | tim was talking about within the next week or 2 |
| 11:13.04 | Mayhem | well, I'd better play some bz to try and find bugs |
| 11:13.10 | Mayhem | ibot ducati? |
| 11:13.10 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:13.11 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:13.25 | Mayhem | thats not helping... |
| 11:14.35 | captain_proton | ugh why did doug have to shuffle the topic? |
| 11:14.42 | captain_proton | now its hard to know when each thing was added |
| 11:15.15 | Patlabor221 | cus he's doug |
| 11:15.44 | Patlabor221 | why is who said it needed in there? |
| 11:16.47 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 11:16.58 | Patlabor221 | I think there is a limit |
| 11:18.35 | Chestal | folder? |
| 11:18.37 | Patlabor221 | and should it not be | No, we will NOT help you make your crappy game? |
| 11:19.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah like if I wanted like bzedit.bzflag.org to point to www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 11:19.35 | Chestal | no, DNS knows nothing about WWW |
| 11:19.41 | captain_proton | can do that with apache |
| 11:19.47 | Patlabor221 | that's what I figured |
| 11:19.53 | Chestal | a web server can of course be configured to redirect you |
| 11:19.56 | Patlabor221 | cap that would be a redirect tho |
| 11:20.01 | captain_proton | not even a redirect |
| 11:20.04 | Chestal | or it could even transparently proxy it in |
| 11:20.06 | captain_proton | if artemisgames.com is running apache |
| 11:20.07 | Patlabor221 | hey what ever works |
| 11:20.14 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it is |
| 11:20.22 | captain_proton | set up a virtual host with the htdocs dir as /code/bz/edit |
| 11:20.39 | Patlabor221 | I don't have that level of contool over it |
| 11:20.46 | Chestal | proton: yes, but this only works when both are on same server |
| 11:20.51 | Chestal | else, use redirect or proxy it |
| 11:21.07 | Patlabor221 | redirect may work |
| 11:21.08 | captain_proton | Chestal: right, but tim can set bzedit.bzflag.org to be a CNAME of artemisgames.com |
| 11:21.27 | Chestal | yes, that would also be possible |
| 11:21.30 | Patlabor221 | and I can put an asp page as the main page |
| 11:21.44 | Patlabor221 | and have it rerout to the right folder if the inc name is bzflag |
| 11:22.04 | captain_proton | i'm willing to bet IIS can do something similar to apache's virtual hosts |
| 11:22.15 | Patlabor221 | then I make a page that has DL links for both my and caps editors |
| 11:22.33 | captain_proton | or |
| 11:22.34 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: I know it can, but I don't have that level of access on the machine |
| 11:22.39 | captain_proton | i could host it on babylonia |
| 11:22.41 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: it's all shared hosting crap. |
| 11:23.12 | Patlabor221 | cap yah but you'll make me use that ssh sutff :) |
| 11:23.16 | Patlabor221 | tho that was realy cool |
| 11:23.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the windows ssh clients are significantly more user-friendly |
| 11:24.10 | Patlabor221 | I regret making such a long named domain. |
| 11:25.16 | Patlabor221 | well none of it will matter unless I can figure out a good way to do this interface :( |
| 11:26.02 | [TeA|]-[XP] | hello there |
| 11:27.34 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 11:27.40 | captain_proton | harumph |
| 11:27.44 | captain_proton | no ideas are coming |
| 11:27.53 | Patlabor221 | for? |
| 11:28.12 | captain_proton | i need to fix up the res-switch API (it sucks right now) |
| 11:28.26 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 11:28.55 | Patlabor221 | you mean how to enumerate them all? |
| 11:29.15 | captain_proton | well right now there's this icky process of 'find' 'switch' |
| 11:29.53 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 11:30.13 | bzdougggggg | bloody admins... banning people left and right without telling you why |
| 11:34.36 | Patlabor221 | awwwwwww dang I screwed something up here. |
| 11:46.12 | captain_proton | high ho, high ho, its off to class i go |
| 11:47.04 | Patlabor221 | remember , vicotry or death!!!! |
| 11:48.11 | sussudio | ~vicotry |
| 11:48.11 | | Vicotry ~ To eat a live fish backwards |
| 12:22.26 | Terminator | hi all |
| 12:22.31 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 12:22.31 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:22.32 | bzbot | M1 (G): 14 (57-43). Lucidor (G): -18 (60-78). Mayhem (R): 6 (83-77). GarpWader [RLF] (R): -6 (4-10). Onken (R): 3 (25-22). sn0w_m0nkey (G): 4 (21-17). [meq] freelancer (G): -3 (18-21). @! (R): 0 (0-0). |
| 13:05.23 | Terminator | hi all |
| 13:14.00 | Cell | dah |
| 13:27.57 | Patlabor221 | who's house? ... Yoda's house! |
| 14:18.15 | sussudio | i did cvs update for 1.7 and now my display is screwed up |
| 14:18.25 | captain_proton | make clean & rebuild |
| 14:18.40 | sussudio | i did make pristine and make |
| 14:19.00 | eddienull | i'm actually having the same issue on osx as of cvs lastnight |
| 14:19.16 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 14:19.18 | captain_proton | lemme take a look |
| 14:19.20 | Chestal | 'screwed up'? |
| 14:19.28 | Chestal | TIm did soem changes, so it looks a bit strange to me now |
| 14:19.49 | Chestal | onyl chaneg I see is that radar and message area is bigger |
| 14:19.55 | sussudio | the message box is bigger and the flag description appears inside the message box now |
| 14:21.21 | Chestal | I think Tim didn't finish his changes |
| 14:21.32 | sussudio | :-P |
| 14:22.51 | Chestal | I hav eproblems with the translucency |
| 14:22.59 | Chestal | it switches erratically to 100% |
| 14:23.08 | sussudio | yeah the radar looks a bit odd too |
| 14:40.12 | captain_proton | eeek |
| 14:40.20 | captain_proton | that messagebox/radar is huge |
| 14:40.24 | captain_proton | and the text looks awful at that size |
| 14:40.25 | Patlabor221 | how did he do after I left? |
| 14:40.42 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he kept wanting to send us a video of him smoking a maggot |
| 14:40.51 | Patlabor221 | ohhh noooo |
| 14:41.12 | Patlabor221 | please tell me he's not alowed back in |
| 14:41.30 | captain_proton | if he starts being THAT stupid again i'll ban |
| 14:42.07 | Chestal | proton: I see no changes to text sizes!? |
| 14:42.19 | Chestal | when compared with e6 |
| 14:42.42 | captain_proton | Chestal: at least on my resolution, its huge |
| 14:43.11 | Chestal | which text exactly? message area? |
| 14:43.39 | captain_proton | Chestal: what function keys are bound for roaming? |
| 14:43.51 | Chestal | f6-f11 |
| 14:44.10 | captain_proton | i'll rebind snapping to f5 |
| 14:53.16 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bigtext.png |
| 14:53.38 | captain_proton | normally characters are around 10 pixels high |
| 15:02.08 | captain_proton | whoop |
| 15:02.20 | captain_proton | the answer to the resolution stuff has come |
| 15:02.38 | Patlabor221 | what have you decided? |
| 15:03.06 | captain_proton | using a map<string,ResInfo> works quite well |
| 15:03.31 | captain_proton | the API code is pretty much based entirely off the resolution description strings |
| 15:03.54 | Patlabor221 | string = something like 800x600x32x70? |
| 15:04.20 | sussudio | is the HUDRenderer stuff fixable? |
| 15:04.21 | captain_proton | 800x600x32 possibly with -fs after it |
| 15:04.28 | Patlabor221 | fp? |
| 15:04.34 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 15:04.39 | captain_proton | i'm not sure how to get the refresh rates through SDL |
| 15:05.31 | Patlabor221 | I htink it just does highest supported |
| 15:06.16 | captain_proton | well each resolution will have a specific refresh |
| 15:06.29 | captain_proton | but i think SDL doesn't make that public |
| 15:06.37 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:06.50 | Patlabor221 | and I think it auto picks it |
| 15:07.46 | captain_proton | haha this is a scary looking warning |
| 15:07.52 | captain_proton | LGE.cxx:91: warning: cannot pass objects of non-POD type `class std::map<std::string, LGEngine::ResInfo, std::less<std::string>, std::allocator<std::pair<const std::string, LGEngine::ResInfo> > >' through `...' |
| 15:08.16 | Patlabor221 | non-POD? what does thatmean? |
| 15:08.22 | captain_proton | plain-old-data |
| 15:10.27 | Chestal | proton: that's a pretty warnign, older versions woudl have expanded std::string and showed it as a template, too :-) |
| 15:11.21 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 15:17.46 | sussudio | can i move the flaginfo to the right place myself somehow? |
| 15:18.13 | captain_proton | sussudio: probably |
| 15:18.17 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects/bzflag/lge-port/src/bzflag]$ make 2>&1|wc -l |
| 15:18.18 | captain_proton | 183 |
| 15:22.41 | m0nkeyb0y | hillo |
| 15:22.52 | captain_proton | 'lo monkey |
| 15:23.43 | m0nkeyb0y | wow that new forum is down still |
| 15:24.06 | Chestal | hi mb |
| 15:24.15 | m0nkeyb0y | hi ches |
| 15:24.36 | Chestal | yes, I was getting quite fond of it |
| 15:24.39 | m0nkeyb0y | was going to catch up on forum... |
| 15:25.06 | m0nkeyb0y | have any of you spoken to laz? |
| 15:25.31 | Chestal | no, I only know what's been posted to ezboard |
| 15:25.44 | m0nkeyb0y | yeah i am just reading this now |
| 15:25.49 | m0nkeyb0y | attack eh |
| 15:26.20 | m0nkeyb0y | odd its down so long. |
| 15:27.12 | Chestal | yes, I have no idea what#s going on |
| 15:27.42 | m0nkeyb0y | looks like his service is no-ip.com i gather |
| 15:28.00 | m0nkeyb0y | so his personal machine must have been hosting the forum. |
| 15:28.59 | Chestal | well,l I hope he can fix it soon |
| 15:29.06 | Chestal | I'm going to bed, cu |
| 15:29.29 | m0nkeyb0y | ok gnight ches |
| 15:29.59 | m0nkeyb0y | i'm out, later all. |
| 15:30.23 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: when you made BZE 2.1 take the "interface description" for the element inspector from the elemnt, how did you do it? |
| 15:30.57 | Patlabor221 | was it just a struct you make up then filled out for what items to show and hide? |
| 15:31.01 | Patlabor221 | or was it more? |
| 15:31.31 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: 2.1 doesn't get the interface description |
| 15:31.38 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 15:31.44 | Patlabor221 | but you had talked about it |
| 15:31.50 | Patlabor221 | so it was just an idea |
| 15:31.58 | captain_proton | my current code, in all its non-working glory, has the interface description returned in the form of a list<string,type> |
| 15:32.59 | Patlabor221 | ok so it's your own stuff |
| 15:32.59 | captain_proton | then the viewer/controller decides what widgets to use |
| 15:33.00 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 15:33.13 | Patlabor221 | well I won't be that platform in depentend :) |
| 15:34.33 | Patlabor221 | but at least they will behave in a simiar manner |
| 15:42.54 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what is the zoom factor? |
| 15:44.10 | MrApathyCream | zoom factor? |
| 15:44.27 | MrApathyCream | 4.737 i think |
| 15:44.47 | captain_proton | MainWindow::setZoomFactor |
| 15:45.21 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 15:50.21 | Patlabor221 | whooot... one externaly defined child dialog :) |
| 15:55.08 | MrApathyCream | jeff, you wanna whip up a nsis installer? |
| 15:56.40 | Patlabor221 | I can try |
| 15:56.59 | Patlabor221 | I can't get CVs here tho, so can you send me a current binary kit? |
| 15:59.15 | Patlabor221 | ahh NSIS the intstaller that install's itself |
| 16:02.45 | Patlabor221 | ohh man this thing looks nice and simple. |
| 16:05.01 | Patlabor221 | bah didn't work |
| 16:05.17 | Patlabor221 | x-chat must draw it's own buttons |
| 16:07.44 | MrApathyCream | how bout if i send you the spc file |
| 16:08.25 | MrApathyCream | that should document everything you need to do |
| 16:09.40 | Patlabor221 | spc? |
| 16:10.01 | Patlabor221 | crap looks like I can't get dcc |
| 16:10.14 | Patlabor221 | can you mail to to JeffM@gibbsCAM.com ? |
| 16:13.08 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 16:13.12 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 16:13.19 | Patlabor221 | I am making a text installer now |
| 16:13.47 | Patlabor221 | test not text :( |
| 16:14.08 | MrApathyCream | sent |
| 16:14.13 | MrApathyCream | bbl |
| 16:14.53 | Patlabor221 | ok sooks simple engout, cap, or MAC do we want to show the liscense on the install? |
| 16:20.01 | Patlabor221 | hey he's here |
| 16:20.28 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag, do we want the installer to show the liscense before it instals on windows, or is it not that big of a deal. |
| 16:28.59 | Patlabor221 | good god that was an easy installer |
| 16:30.36 | bzdougggggg | the EULA? |
| 16:30.55 | Patlabor221 | I can have it display what ever is wanted |
| 16:31.11 | bzdougggggg | what are you making an installer for? |
| 16:31.17 | bzdougggggg | bzflag e8? |
| 16:31.23 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:31.27 | bzdougggggg | its done? |
| 16:31.37 | Patlabor221 | MAC asked me if I wanted to give the NSIS installer a go |
| 16:31.40 | bzdougggggg | ah |
| 16:31.43 | Patlabor221 | it's REALLLLLLLLLY cool |
| 16:31.50 | bzdougggggg | yea |
| 16:31.52 | bzdougggggg | I tried it.. |
| 16:32.00 | bzdougggggg | had nothing to install.. |
| 16:32.05 | bzdougggggg | but it was pretty cool |
| 16:32.15 | bzdougggggg | they have a webamp thing on that webpage too |
| 16:35.38 | Patlabor221 | hmmm one problem |
| 16:37.00 | bzdougggggg | oh? |
| 16:46.58 | Patlabor221 | won't set the working dir |
| 16:47.03 | Patlabor221 | hmmmmm |
| 16:47.04 | bzdougggggg | hm |
| 16:47.12 | Patlabor221 | I can make bz set the dir to it'self |
| 16:47.25 | Patlabor221 | that would fix it |
| 16:59.48 | sussudio | well i can temporarily fix it so the flaginfo and message window dont overlap but it still looks weird |
| 17:00.02 | Widget | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: hihihi |
| 17:00.07 | sussudio | i changed 1280 and 1024 to 1600 and 1200 in HUDRenderer.cxx |
| 17:00.08 | bzdougggggg | define "wierd: |
| 17:00.16 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 17:00.16 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 17:00.25 | Widget | And it's weird, not wierd. |
| 17:00.53 | sussudio | now for the fonts....... |
| 17:05.56 | sussudio | what resolution comes after 1600x1280? |
| 17:06.17 | bzdougggggg | 1601x1281 |
| 17:06.31 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 17:06.31 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 17:06.45 | captain_proton | 1600x1280?? should be 1200 |
| 17:07.11 | sussudio | ok whatever... i'm trying to make the HUD stuff not overlap... |
| 17:07.12 | captain_proton | next is likely 2048x1536 |
| 17:07.40 | captain_proton | though on windows i used a fairly non-standard 1880x1600 |
| 17:08.24 | sussudio | seems changhing those values makes the height indicator smaller and also the flag help |
| 17:09.01 | captain_proton | BZFlag: HUD changes gave me this: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bigtext.png |
| 17:11.20 | mumble | Ah, found a bzFlag channel. Lucky guess on the network. |
| 17:12.00 | bzdougggggg | Shhhh! |
| 17:12.06 | bzdougggggg | nobody here knows it! |
| 17:12.12 | mumble | :) |
| 17:12.36 | mumble | I'm trying to figure out if there is USB joystick support for the win32 version. Any idea? |
| 17:13.14 | captain_proton | i'm not sure if there's support out of the box, but someone wrote a utility that lets you do it |
| 17:13.16 | captain_proton | lemme look for it |
| 17:13.31 | mumble | I've found this one... is this the one you have in mind? http://pub33.ezboard.com/fbzflagfrm1.showMessage?topicID=323.topic |
| 17:15.33 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 17:15.38 | captain_proton | forgot that he posted everywhere |
| 17:16.31 | captain_proton | speaking of joysticks |
| 17:17.18 | bzdougggggg | not to be outdone |
| 17:17.19 | mumble | Okay, I just ran it... I'll give it a shot. |
| 17:18.05 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | r u still here? |
| 17:19.34 | Patlabor221 | whahhhhhat |
| 17:19.50 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: should wrapping of the SDL joystick stuff be in LGE or elsewhere? |
| 17:20.08 | Patlabor221 | it should be in a input lib |
| 17:21.06 | captain_proton | thats what i'm thinking |
| 17:21.16 | captain_proton | i'll just comment out the joystick code for now |
| 17:21.23 | Patlabor221 | and it should andle all the inputoptions for now |
| 17:21.27 | sussudio | why does bzflag compile with half_rate_audio? |
| 17:21.32 | Patlabor221 | I have an inout lib that supports it al on windows. |
| 17:21.46 | captain_proton | sussudio: because the data files are 22khz audio |
| 17:21.51 | Patlabor221 | I just need to SDL it |
| 17:21.58 | sussudio | they sound better on windoze |
| 17:23.06 | captain_proton | sussudio: if it sounds better on different OS'es its because of your audio drivers |
| 17:23.42 | sussudio | xmms, mpg123 and ogg123 seem to make my files sound just fine |
| 17:24.16 | captain_proton | if someone cares to make a worthy donation, i'd be happy to add two-joystick control reminiscent of the original battlezone :) |
| 17:24.17 | mumble | Well, I ran the utility but I don't really get it. Keeping it running and launching bzFlag didn't do anything... the gamepad still does nothing in the game. |
| 17:24.32 | captain_proton | mumble: i'm not terribly surprised |
| 17:24.39 | mumble | Hmmm. |
| 17:24.47 | mumble | The util responds to the joystick outside of bzFlag. |
| 17:24.55 | captain_proton | if you care to wait a few months joystick support will be fixed up a lot |
| 17:25.08 | mumble | eck. Okay. I appreciate the advice. |
| 17:25.26 | mumble | What is required to compile the source on a Windows box? Visual Studio? |
| 17:25.44 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 17:25.45 | bzdougggggg | VC++ |
| 17:25.59 | mumble | Hmmm. Don't have it. |
| 17:26.44 | captain_proton | there was some work on getting bzflag to compile under cygwin but i think its stalled |
| 17:28.30 | mumble | Maybe I can scrounge a copy of VC++ off the net... I'm in the mood to tinker with the source. |
| 17:28.57 | mumble | (which will probably last a day, so I shouldn't bother) :) |
| 17:29.04 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | what is that |
| 17:29.24 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | what is burrow? |
| 17:30.09 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | the flag for 1.7e8 |
| 17:30.37 | Patlabor221 | xxx use the right window |
| 17:31.42 | captain_proton | mumble: have fun :) |
| 17:32.15 | mumble | Bah, I won't bother. |
| 17:32.42 | Patlabor221 | you can isntall linux :) |
| 17:33.21 | mumble | :) |
| 17:37.00 | Patlabor221 | caaaaaaaaaaaappppppppp: I have a problem. |
| 17:37.00 | captain_proton | whats that? |
| 17:37.00 | Patlabor221 | I am trying to make an installer for bz |
| 17:37.05 | Patlabor221 | with the NSIS stuff |
| 17:37.20 | Patlabor221 | and it can't make a shortcut that specifiys a working dir |
| 17:37.57 | Patlabor221 | is it ok if I make the windows version auto set the working dir to the app dir? |
| 17:38.06 | Patlabor221 | for non debug cases? |
| 17:38.44 | captain_proton | what exactly is the working dir used for? |
| 17:38.50 | mumble | anybody know what the "-joystickname" command line option wants for a parameter? |
| 17:38.53 | Patlabor221 | so that it can find the data dir |
| 17:39.01 | Patlabor221 | if it's not set right, boom |
| 17:39.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: working dir should be <install-dir>\data, no? |
| 17:39.35 | Patlabor221 | not on windwos it seems |
| 17:39.50 | Patlabor221 | seems we speficy ./data/sutff..... |
| 17:40.08 | Patlabor221 | current bz icon is set to "C:\Program Files\BZFlag" |
| 17:40.37 | Patlabor221 | I can make bz look for a data dir in the same folder as the app first, then if it can't find one use the current working dir. |
| 17:40.54 | Patlabor221 | and that would fix my problem |
| 17:41.22 | captain_proton | thats how it should work |
| 17:41.34 | Patlabor221 | other then that this NSIS installer is SLICKER THEN HELLLL |
| 17:42.00 | bzdougggggg | how slick is hell? |
| 17:42.08 | Patlabor221 | realy god damn slick |
| 17:42.12 | mumble | later... |
| 17:42.14 | bzdougggggg | hm |
| 17:42.16 | Patlabor221 | too slick for you. |
| 17:42.37 | Patlabor221 | I made an installer just by right clicking on a file |
| 17:42.43 | bzdougggggg | cool |
| 17:43.02 | Patlabor221 | complete with an uninstall shortcut |
| 17:43.19 | bzdougggggg | slick |
| 17:43.23 | Patlabor221 | seee |
| 17:43.34 | bzdougggggg | heh |
| 17:46.19 | bzdougggggg | ~lart bzflag.cxx |
| 17:51.31 | captain_proton | foodtime |
| 17:55.58 | Patlabor221 | is bzip2 better then regular zip? |
| 17:56.46 | sussudio | better how |
| 17:57.14 | Patlabor221 | smaller, faster, should I use it? |
| 17:57.29 | sussudio | probably not faster |
| 17:57.37 | sussudio | or significantly smaller either |
| 17:58.24 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:58.36 | Patlabor221 | cus I have the choice of ether, so I was just curious. |
| 18:00.37 | Patlabor221 | other then the default dir thing, this installer is all ready |
| 18:00.56 | bzdougggggg | for e8? |
| 18:01.03 | Patlabor221 | a yup |
| 18:01.08 | bzdougggggg | is e8 ready? |
| 18:01.09 | Patlabor221 | thing was easy |
| 18:01.12 | Patlabor221 | I have no clue |
| 18:01.15 | bzdougggggg | oh |
| 18:01.18 | bzdougggggg | is bzedit ready? |
| 18:01.23 | Patlabor221 | I may have to change e8 to make it work with this thing tho |
| 18:01.25 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 18:01.31 | bzdougggggg | k |
| 18:01.41 | Patlabor221 | actualy it bzedit does LESS now |
| 18:01.50 | Patlabor221 | I am so proud of it |
| 18:01.56 | bzdougggggg | good for you.. |
| 18:02.12 | Patlabor221 | all those buttons to make boxes, and pyramids and stuff |
| 18:02.13 | Patlabor221 | gone |
| 18:02.17 | bzdougggggg | oh? |
| 18:02.21 | bzdougggggg | whats there? |
| 18:02.23 | Patlabor221 | all those fields with numbers gone |
| 18:02.27 | Patlabor221 | nothing |
| 18:02.38 | bzdougggggg | so its basicly a world viewer? |
| 18:02.41 | bzdougggggg | eh/ |
| 18:02.58 | Patlabor221 | ohh it won't open files ether |
| 18:03.02 | bzdougggggg | ah |
| 18:03.06 | Patlabor221 | crashes like a pig |
| 18:03.11 | bzdougggggg | heh |
| 18:03.26 | Patlabor221 | and now it won't even draw the outer walls |
| 18:03.41 | bzdougggggg | wow, your a genie |
| 18:04.05 | bzdougggggg | hi nilfilter_! |
| 18:04.11 | nilfilter_ | howdy |
| 18:05.24 | bzdougggggg | ~lart nilfilter_ |
| 18:06.33 | nilfilter_ | Listen, I'm thinking about setting up a bzflag server for a tournament. I'd like to d/l some extra worlds from stats.bzflag.org but all worlds are named "dlmap.phpdlmap.php"!? |
| 18:06.41 | bzdougggggg | yea |
| 18:06.45 | bzdougggggg | when it saves it |
| 18:06.50 | bzdougggggg | save it as a .map file |
| 18:06.54 | bzdougggggg | or whatever |
| 18:07.02 | bzdougggggg | the .php files are really .map files |
| 18:07.05 | bzdougggggg | just rename |
| 18:07.13 | bzdougggggg | and be happy now! |
| 18:07.25 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 18:07.25 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 18:07.33 | bzdougggggg | what for? |
| 18:07.41 | bzdougggggg | I helped him |
| 18:08.05 | nilfilter_ | He did |
| 18:08.38 | sussudio | SCHEVENINGEN |
| 18:08.55 | bzdougggggg | ~lart sussudio |
| 18:09.13 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 18:09.13 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 18:11.46 | nilfilter_ | One more: What about this world editor somebody claims to have developed? Can't find it, and its forum link is dead. |
| 18:12.01 | bzdougggggg | ~bzedit |
| 18:12.01 | | bzedit is, like, http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz, or http://www.artemisgames.com/code/bz/edit/ |
| 18:12.07 | nilfilter_ | Errr... the Gnome/gtk version... |
| 18:12.14 | bzdougggggg | the top one |
| 18:12.20 | bzdougggggg | the button one is linux |
| 18:12.45 | bzdougggggg | er |
| 18:12.51 | bzdougggggg | the top one is gnome |
| 18:12.56 | bzdougggggg | the bottum one is windows |
| 18:13.41 | nilfilter_ | Yeah, the top one is dead.... |
| 18:13.46 | bzdougggggg | hm |
| 18:13.55 | bzdougggggg | its his fault |
| 18:13.57 | bzdougggggg | :) |
| 18:14.44 | nilfilter_ | Dammit... Version 2.1 suggests it is somewhat mature. Is that correct? |
| 18:15.07 | bzdougggggg | maybe |
| 18:15.17 | bzdougggggg | :) |
| 18:15.20 | bzdougggggg | ask captain_proton |
| 18:15.34 | bzdougggggg | ~insult bzedit |
| 18:18.38 | Patlabor221 | do you don't want to work on it then doug? |
| 18:22.37 | bzdougggggg | I meant the linux version |
| 18:22.37 | captain_proton | ibot forget bzedit |
| 18:22.46 | bzdougggggg | humph |
| 18:22.47 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 18:22.49 | Patlabor221 | still they have the same name |
| 18:22.56 | Patlabor221 | and it's rude |
| 18:23.11 | captain_proton | nilfilter_: the updated URL is in the topic, just add 'older/' before the code/tarballs/... |
| 18:23.12 | bzdougggggg | ~greet bzedit |
| 18:23.12 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, bzdougggggg |
| 18:24.54 | nilfilter_ | captain_proton: Got it, thanks. I'll go with 2.0 though, haven't yet got Gnome 2.x |
| 18:25.49 | Patlabor221 | cap know what a fti file is? |
| 18:25.53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: nope |
| 18:26.06 | terminated | ~greet somebody |
| 18:26.06 | | terminated: wish i knew |
| 18:26.11 | Patlabor221 | they are in the data dir |
| 18:26.17 | Patlabor221 | bzflag.fti |
| 18:26.21 | Patlabor221 | one for each exe |
| 18:26.54 | captain_proton | it looks like some sort of text-mode vector graphics format |
| 18:27.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:29.19 | Patlabor221 | whoot, with one small change to bz, I can make an NSIS installer for it |
| 18:29.58 | Patlabor221 | gahh I am soooo estuipid |
| 18:31.34 | Patlabor221 | ok now without changing bz I can make a NSI bz installer |
| 18:31.41 | Patlabor221 | complete with uninstaller |
| 18:31.51 | Patlabor221 | all in 2.3 megs |
| 18:32.08 | captain_proton | nice |
| 18:34.41 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzflag.txt |
| 18:34.41 | Patlabor221 | that's the install script |
| 18:34.41 | scanline | killall -SEGV lurgyman |
| 18:34.42 | Patlabor221 | most of it's comments |
| 18:36.05 | Patlabor221 | hella easy to update and maintain. |
| 18:36.32 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: you still got that windows emu install on your machine? |
| 18:38.29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: no, but i have a windows partition |
| 18:38.35 | Patlabor221 | ~msg for MrApathyCream I got the NSIS insaller working, I made one with my install of e6 please take a look at it ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/Vizkit/ |
| 18:39.00 | Patlabor221 | do I have do to a full message |
| 18:39.11 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: if you have a momoment can you test that installer |
| 18:39.21 | captain_proton | later tonight i will |
| 18:39.25 | Patlabor221 | ~message for MrApathyCream I got the NSIS insaller working, I made one with my install of e6 please take a look at it ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/Vizkit/ |
| 18:39.35 | Patlabor221 | gahhh |
| 18:39.43 | Patlabor221 | it used to leave botmail |
| 18:39.49 | Patlabor221 | what is up with it |
| 18:40.21 | nilfilter_ | bye |
| 18:40.21 | captain_proton | busy working on LGE |
| 18:40.52 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 18:44.11 | Patlabor221 | and time to get home |
| 19:57.43 | Noodleman | whazzup? |
| 19:59.28 | Noodleman | everyone's dead again |
| 20:02.48 | Noodleman | heeeeeellp!! is there a doctor here?? |
| 20:03.12 | sussudio | doug is a mental patient, does that count? |
| 20:03.21 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 20:03.29 | Noodleman | sorry it doesn't :-P |
| 20:04.11 | Noodleman | well, at least sussudio is alive |
| 20:04.25 | Noodleman | will you help me revive everone else? |
| 20:04.35 | sussudio | nope |
| 21:43.04 | sussudio | damn gerbil infestation |
| 21:43.09 | sussudio | :-P |
| 21:44.08 | sussudio | ibot jzaun |
| 21:44.08 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 22:09.48 | captain_proton | <Patlabor221> ~message for MrApathyCream I got the NSIS insaller working, I made one with my install of e6 please take a look at it ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/Vizkit/ |
| 22:11.47 | MrApathyCream | yeah, got an email, tis great |
| 22:12.09 | sussudio | note: make MrApathyCream traps in next map |
| 22:12.50 | MrApathyCream | eh, don't care... sussudio |
| 22:16.53 | MrApathyCream | what nationality is Got Root, anyway sus? sounds german |
| 22:16.57 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 22:27.26 | sussudio | must. make. more. maps. to. offset. spiff. horror. |
| 22:29.28 | MrApathyCream | hey is spiff cobra? |
| 22:29.37 | captain_proton | nonono |
| 22:29.43 | captain_proton | spiff = spaceman spiff = fun on a stick |
| 22:29.47 | MrApathyCream | both jeremiahs, no? |
| 22:30.17 | captain_proton | cobra is a good deal smarter |
| 22:30.59 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:30.59 | sussudio | cobra probably doesnt make all-stealth maps either |
| 22:30.59 | MrApathyCream | wassup with laz, he in jail yet? |
| 22:38.37 | MrApathyCream | tim, Jeff made an installer for bzflag using NSIS: ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/Vizkit/ |
| 22:38.40 | MrApathyCream | works too |
| 22:38.41 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 22:40.24 | MrApathyCream | although the original one is working now, also |
| 22:45.44 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: how'd you get chanserv to love you so |
| 22:46.21 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'm a lovable guy |
| 22:47.33 | MrApathyCream | flowers, candy? what? |
| 22:48.35 | captain_proton | all of the above |
| 22:48.48 | captain_proton | plus i cook |
| 22:50.25 | MrApathyCream | didn't know you were so domestic |
| 22:50.49 | sussudio | geriatric morning excercise........ the horrors of early morning tv |
| 22:51.32 | sussudio | great gramma jumping around to 'baby one more time' |
| 23:36.44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: homework :P |
| 23:36.57 | MrApathyCream | where's your priorities? |
| 23:37.49 | captain_proton | i don't know |
| 23:45.07 | MrApathyCream | where are these new maps? |
| 23:45.17 | sussudio | jzaun |
| 23:45.25 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 23:46.01 | sussudio | jzaun.com/bzflag2/ |
| 23:46.58 | sussudio | i probably cant call it "i made this map in about 45 mins to decrease the chances of a spiff map or doug's spirals being selected" |
| 23:47.52 | sussudio | tic tac terror has a nice ring to it |
| 23:48.16 | captain_proton | whats it look like? |
| 23:48.34 | sussudio | well.... |
| 23:51.06 | jmhodges | ok im getting an odd little error |
| 23:51.11 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/ss18.gif |
| 23:51.14 | jmhodges | bzflag starts loading up |
| 23:51.18 | jmhodges | and i see the message |
| 23:51.33 | jmhodges | loading fixedbr... |
| 23:51.34 | captain_proton | sussudio: .gif? eww |
| 23:51.36 | sussudio | you see a message? |
| 23:51.38 | jmhodges | but then it freezes |
| 23:51.40 | captain_proton | looks like a semidecent world though |
| 23:51.48 | sussudio | well gif is less jaggy for screenshots then jpg |
| 23:51.50 | jmhodges | and i have to kill it |
| 23:51.56 | jmhodges | anyone have an idea why? |
| 23:51.58 | captain_proton | sussudio: PNG |
| 23:52.01 | MrApathyCream | jmhodges: is this an installer version or cvs? |
| 23:52.02 | captain_proton | jmhodges: what operating system? |
| 23:52.07 | jmhodges | lunar linux |
| 23:52.12 | jmhodges | src install |
| 23:52.12 | sussudio | i tried saving as png but they all kinda turn out fscking big |
| 23:52.21 | sussudio | lunar linux? |
| 23:52.31 | sussudio | sounds like your opengl install is screwy |
| 23:52.33 | jmhodges | sussudio: small src based distro |
| 23:52.35 | jmhodges | fuck |
| 23:52.39 | jmhodges | thats what i thought |
| 23:52.40 | MrApathyCream | make sure it can find your data files |
| 23:52.42 | sussudio | fuck? |
| 23:52.48 | sussudio | try running glxinfo from X |
| 23:52.49 | jmhodges | im using the NVidia drivers |
| 23:53.17 | captain_proton | ooh! wonderful |
| 23:53.18 | jmhodges | ah ok |
| 23:53.22 | jmhodges | what you need from this? |
| 23:53.26 | captain_proton | symbol conflicts between LGE and libGeometry |
| 23:53.26 | MrApathyCream | run it from the bzflag dir |
| 23:53.30 | MrApathyCream | bin\bzfs ....... |
| 23:53.32 | MrApathyCream | er bin/bzfs |
| 23:53.41 | sussudio | bin\/\/bzfs |
| 23:53.42 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: unix layout is different |
| 23:53.49 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 23:54.17 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 23:54.28 | jmhodges | we pop the binaries into /usr/games for bzflag |
| 23:54.33 | sussudio | ./bin/bzflag |
| 23:54.54 | captain_proton | ls -ld /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/bzflag/data |
| 23:55.08 | jmhodges | ok so run bzflag |
| 23:55.12 | jmhodges | and then ls -ld that dir? |
| 23:55.21 | captain_proton | don't run bzflag just yet |
| 23:55.24 | captain_proton | just do the ls |
| 23:55.27 | jmhodges | gotcha |
| 23:55.38 | jmhodges | drwxr-sr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 2 17:56 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/bzflag/data |
| 23:55.51 | captain_proton | hmm ok looks good there |
| 23:56.16 | jmhodges | ok so now what :) |
| 23:56.26 | captain_proton | glxinfo |grep direct |
| 23:56.46 | jmhodges | direct rendering: Yes |
| 23:56.50 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 23:56.54 | jmhodges | isnt that drm.. |
| 23:56.56 | jmhodges | and |
| 23:56.57 | jmhodges | .. |
| 23:57.03 | captain_proton | nvidia doesn't use dri/drm |
| 23:57.08 | jmhodges | exactly |
| 23:57.17 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:57.23 | captain_proton | but direct vs. indirect is a glx thing, not a dri thing |
| 23:57.29 | jmhodges | ah ok |
| 23:57.37 | jmhodges | :-D thanks for the clarifications |
| 23:57.55 | jmhodges | so now what? |
| 23:58.09 | jmhodges | : |
| 23:58.12 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:58.14 | MrApathyCream | insert xp cd in drive, and...... |
| 23:58.15 | captain_proton | i'd try doing a source install by hand |
| 23:58.30 | jmhodges | MrApathyCream: shove the whole thing up you as? :) |
| 23:58.36 | jmhodges | s/as/ass/ |
| 23:58.41 | jmhodges | too late for proper cursing ;) |
| 23:58.45 | jmhodges | captain_proton: oof ok |
| 23:59.38 | jmhodges | could it be this patch? |
| 23:59.40 | jmhodges | bzflag-fix-for-gcc3.1.patch.bz2 |\ |
| 23:59.50 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 23:59.59 | jmhodges | seeing as this is now gcc3.2 i think there is |
