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| 00:05.01 | ak|ra | moin |
| 00:07.22 | MrApathyCream | lo\ |
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| 00:50.19 | ak|ra | hehe |
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| 01:07.49 | iluxa | hey folks |
| 01:07.58 | dutchrai | hey there |
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| 01:10.35 | dutchrai | sigh..bored |
| 01:10.55 | dutchrai | hungry too |
| 01:10.57 | iluxa | :) |
| 01:10.58 | iluxa | \ |
| 01:11.16 | iluxa | Is anyone up to CTF game? |
| 01:11.27 | dutchrai | mmm...might wanna give it a try :-D |
| 01:11.34 | iluxa | I'll be on ducati then |
| 01:11.35 | dutchrai | any server in mind? |
| 01:11.39 | dutchrai | ok... |
| 01:11.42 | dutchrai | see ya! |
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| 01:41.15 | sussudio | ohwell |
| 01:42.16 | dutchrai | ok..that was fun |
| 01:42.22 | sussudio | yeah for a few mins |
| 01:42.32 | dutchrai | a few more larger structures maybe? |
| 01:42.39 | dutchrai | all action is now in the middle |
| 01:42.44 | sussudio | there's no options to re-upload to jzaun...... |
| 01:42.55 | dutchrai | yeah..gotta wait |
| 01:43.21 | dutchrai | why not send you final map in for the map contest? |
| 01:43.30 | sussudio | map contest? |
| 01:43.47 | dutchrai | just started one on my website at http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com |
| 01:43.56 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 01:43.58 | sussudio | i have 20 maps |
| 01:43.58 | dutchrai | open till end of december :-) |
| 01:44.08 | dutchrai | must be new map :-) |
| 01:44.37 | sussudio | i all made them in the last 7 weeks |
| 01:44.43 | dutchrai | my gosh.. |
| 01:44.46 | dutchrai | ..superman! |
| 01:45.02 | sussudio | well gotta do something to avoid those spiffmaps....... |
| 01:45.11 | dutchrai | yeah..true. |
| 01:45.19 | dutchrai | those come in with the hunderds |
| 01:45.32 | dutchrai | you two are into mass-production |
| 01:45.33 | sussudio | all-stealth-bore-o-rama |
| 01:45.44 | dutchrai | lol |
| 01:46.00 | dutchrai | well, you can send up to 3 maps for the contest |
| 01:46.16 | dutchrai | give it a shot... |
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| 02:14.34 | dutchrai | Nasty |
| 02:18.11 | iluxa | ? |
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| 02:21.53 | bomber_ | moin moin |
| 02:23.19 | dutchrai | moin? |
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| 03:22.34 | scanline | MrApathyCream: captain_proton's seat doesn't have much of a cushion |
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| 05:23.48 | bomber_ | ibot ducati |
| 05:23.48 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 05:23.50 | bzbot | baptiste (R): -31 (21-52). tai (G): 0 (66-66). strayer (G): 29 (76-47). [dmp] (R): -3 (1-4). bzlynx (R): -18 (15-33). zorg (R): -57 (100-157). beldin (G): 4 (12-8). calico (G): 63 (172-109). |
| 05:23.53 | akira_ | mahlzeit |
| 05:23.59 | akira_ | na bomber_ |
| 05:23.59 | bomber_ | mahlzeit |
| 05:24.11 | bomber_ | grade bin ich zurueck |
| 05:24.17 | akira_ | woher? |
| 05:24.19 | bomber_ | uff viel gegessen |
| 05:24.20 | akira_ | mnsa? |
| 05:24.24 | akira_ | me too |
| 05:24.28 | bomber_ | :o)) |
| 05:24.33 | bomber_ | time to sleep |
| 05:24.40 | akira_ | muhar |
| 05:24.42 | akira_ | bei mir aber auch |
| 05:24.47 | akira_ | -> heute nacht lange gemacht |
| 05:25.02 | bomber_ | aha |
| 05:25.06 | bomber_ | warum? |
| 05:25.19 | akira_ | code debugged der nicht von mir war |
| 05:25.26 | akira_ | mein code laeuft auf win32 anstandslos :) |
| 05:25.28 | bomber_ | brrr |
| 05:25.48 | akira_ | heute mach ich die rechner fertig und morgen gehen sie auf reise |
| 05:25.56 | bomber_ | :o))) |
| 05:26.09 | bomber_ | Pinguin ? |
| 05:26.32 | akira_ | ich schick pingus zu dir mit |
| 05:26.34 | akira_ | ok? |
| 05:26.43 | akira_ | ihr seid ja eh nah beieinander |
| 05:26.51 | bomber_ | ok...kein problem |
| 05:27.08 | akira_ | warst du gestern abedn nicht auch mit im bzflag als rogue_alert da war? |
| 05:27.19 | bomber_ | ne |
| 05:27.29 | bomber_ | nich war zu Hause |
| 05:27.40 | akira_ | irgendwer is als bomber rumgefahren |
| 05:27.41 | bomber_ | :o) |
| 05:27.46 | akira_ | und hat nicht bomberlike gespielt |
| 05:27.47 | bomber_ | haha |
| 05:28.20 | bomber_ | das ist gut |
| 05:28.27 | bomber_ | das verwirt die leute |
| 05:29.17 | bomber_ | ibot ducati? |
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| 05:31.19 | Pinguin | zurück vom Essen |
| 05:31.26 | akira_ | hei pingu |
| 05:31.30 | Pinguin | Hi |
| 05:32.08 | Pinguin | Du machst heute die Recher fertig? Was ist den alles dran? Ich brauche kein Gehäuse ... |
| 05:32.22 | akira_ | du kriegst gehaeuse :) |
| 05:32.26 | Pinguin | OK |
| 05:32.43 | Pinguin | Ich möchte das Ding im Auto versenken ... |
| 05:32.46 | akira_ | also bastards kriegst sdram. usb, ps2 anschluesse ... |
| 05:32.52 | akira_ | Pinguin: aha |
| 05:33.04 | akira_ | ich kuck mal was ich noch so ranstoepseln kann |
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| 06:30.37 | akira_ | hello tea |
| 07:08.21 | akira_ | ts |
| 07:08.24 | akira_ | kaum aus der mensa |
| 07:33.38 | bomber_ | i hate vector multiplication |
| 07:38.17 | akira_ | why? |
| 07:38.31 | akira_ | intel compiler will do this in just one cycle :) |
| 07:39.58 | bomber_ | also in balooning coordination system ? :o) |
| 07:40.29 | akira_ | was? |
| 07:40.36 | akira_ | ich zockn och ne kleine rune |
| 07:40.37 | bomber_ | :o)))))))))) |
| 07:40.38 | akira_ | machst mit? |
| 07:40.44 | bomber_ | ok |
| 08:20.00 | [TeA|]-[XP] | ibot ducati |
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| 08:52.43 | bh | hey everyone, how is it going? |
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| 09:12.21 | Doughecka | 'lo PatLabor221 |
| 09:12.25 | bomber_ | ibot ducati? |
| 09:12.25 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 09:12.26 | bzbot | baptiste (G): -31 (28-59). the king of the hill (R): -5 (20-25). chris (G): 6 (84-78). Fero (R): 6 (50-44). prodan (R): 21 (60-39). fish (R): -14 (8-22). nobody (G): -4 (19-23). @MakosTeszta (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 09:21.31 | PatLabor221 | 'lo |
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| 09:57.02 | doug_school | MMmmmmmm Stollen |
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| 10:15.33 | anaconda | hi |
| 10:15.49 | PatLabor221 | hi |
| 10:16.42 | anaconda | not too many people awake;-) |
| 10:17.24 | bomber_ | ibot ducati? |
| 10:17.24 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 10:17.25 | bzbot | @Zwei (B): 0 (0-0). Patt O. Wc (G): -1 (36-37). Praepo (R): 14 (117-103). |
| 10:18.00 | doug_school | hi |
| 10:18.06 | anaconda | ih |
| 10:18.15 | doug_school | heh |
| 10:18.26 | anaconda | ;-) |
| 10:18.32 | doug_school | I found my peanut linux cd |
| 10:18.35 | doug_school | lol |
| 10:18.42 | PatLabor221 | I'm so very happy for you |
| 10:18.52 | PatLabor221 | I found "ultimate doom" |
| 10:19.05 | anaconda | hehe |
| 10:19.07 | doug_school | I'm so very happy for you |
| 10:19.17 | PatLabor221 | you should be |
| 10:19.55 | PatLabor221 | John Carmack? |
| 10:20.01 | doug_school | hmm, peanut linux needs dos to run |
| 10:20.26 | anaconda | the engine is not bad of doom, as far as i know... |
| 10:20.40 | doug_school | doom 3 is super |
| 10:20.46 | doug_school | doom 1 is terrible |
| 10:20.55 | PatLabor221 | doom 1 is 12 yers old |
| 10:21.02 | doug_school | like shooting at sprites |
| 10:21.02 | anaconda | really? |
| 10:21.08 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 10:21.10 | doug_school | oops, they ARE sprites |
| 10:21.19 | PatLabor221 | I'd like to see you do better on a 386 |
| 10:21.20 | doug_school | 12 years... |
| 10:21.26 | doug_school | PatLabor221: quake |
| 10:21.36 | PatLabor221 | doom is old |
| 10:21.39 | PatLabor221 | but still fun |
| 10:21.48 | doug_school | whatever floats you boat |
| 10:22.01 | PatLabor221 | there's an open GL version of doom |
| 10:22.10 | doug_school | ick, I bet thats nasty |
| 10:23.10 | doug_school | in 1000 grams of sea water, only 35 grams of it is minerals |
| 10:23.37 | anaconda | aren't most game-engines build on top of o-gl? |
| 10:23.58 | anaconda | 3d games, i mean |
| 10:24.00 | PatLabor221 | all games today ether use Direct X or OpenGL |
| 10:24.03 | PatLabor221 | or SDL |
| 10:24.11 | anaconda | yeah, on linux;-) |
| 10:24.22 | PatLabor221 | even on windows |
| 10:24.23 | doug_school | is there anyway for me to run 3dfx games on a geforce card? |
| 10:24.32 | anaconda | sdl? on windows? |
| 10:24.40 | PatLabor221 | doug you mean glide games? |
| 10:24.45 | doug_school | um, yea... |
| 10:24.57 | doug_school | they say this game only supports voodoo cards |
| 10:25.03 | PatLabor221 | I think there is a DX glider wraper somwhere |
| 10:25.10 | doug_school | slick |
| 10:25.11 | PatLabor221 | look for a glide wraper |
| 10:25.22 | PatLabor221 | sure SDL is multi-platfrom |
| 10:25.43 | PatLabor221 | I use SDL for window set up in my LGE library that we are trying to get BZ to use. |
| 10:25.53 | PatLabor221 | that's the point of SDL, it's portable |
| 10:26.01 | anaconda | written in...? |
| 10:26.05 | PatLabor221 | C++ |
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| 10:26.43 | anaconda | but it needs to have low-level control over the hardware, no? |
| 10:26.44 | ak|ra | abnd |
| 10:27.14 | doug_school | moin |
| 10:28.10 | PatLabor221 | SDL usualy talks to the driver for it's 2d stuff, for 3d it sets up an open GL context for you. |
| 10:28.40 | anaconda | thanks;-) |
| 10:28.40 | ak|ra | patty .. but only if you are nice :) |
| 10:28.53 | PatLabor221 | well I am damned nice. |
| 10:30.22 | PatLabor221 | wonder if LGE works on the mac. |
| 10:30.41 | doug_school | do glide wrappers work well? |
| 10:30.53 | PatLabor221 | ehhhhh |
| 10:31.02 | PatLabor221 | I would not base a system off them |
| 10:31.13 | PatLabor221 | but they may work for some games |
| 10:31.19 | PatLabor221 | it's not the same as a real card. |
| 10:31.24 | doug_school | hmm |
| 10:31.30 | PatLabor221 | what are you trying to play that is 3dfx only? |
| 10:31.35 | doug_school | wulfram |
| 10:31.35 | PatLabor221 | it must be old |
| 10:31.41 | doug_school | right now its software only |
| 10:31.43 | PatLabor221 | glide died ages ago |
| 10:31.47 | doug_school | but it has 3dfx drivers |
| 10:31.56 | PatLabor221 | ick |
| 10:31.59 | doug_school | AND they are making a d3d version soon |
| 10:32.06 | PatLabor221 | no ownder it looked like ass. |
| 10:32.13 | doug_school | heh\ |
| 10:32.23 | doug_school | and it has problems on XP |
| 10:32.30 | doug_school | but its a fun game |
| 10:32.34 | doug_school | with hovertanks |
| 10:32.44 | PatLabor221 | go play tanarus. |
| 10:32.48 | doug_school | you cant mess up a game with hovertanks |
| 10:32.49 | doug_school | ? |
| 10:32.52 | doug_school | is it free? |
| 10:33.02 | PatLabor221 | I don't remember |
| 10:33.03 | PatLabor221 | it may be |
| 10:33.14 | doug_school | hm |
| 10:33.16 | PatLabor221 | i;ve played it and I don't ever remember paying |
| 10:33.29 | doug_school | that dont mean much |
| 10:33.40 | doug_school | its hovertanks? |
| 10:33.44 | PatLabor221 | yes it does, since it's an online only one |
| 10:33.57 | doug_school | oh good |
| 10:33.57 | PatLabor221 | like everquest |
| 10:34.00 | PatLabor221 | yeah some were hover |
| 10:34.11 | doug_school | hmm |
| 10:34.11 | PatLabor221 | so you don't start servers, they are allready up for you. |
| 10:34.22 | doug_school | same as wulfram |
| 10:34.25 | doug_school | hmm |
| 10:35.49 | doug_school | interesting |
| 10:36.23 | doug_school | free disk space on c: 820k |
| 10:37.52 | doug_school | http://tanarus.station.sony.com/ |
| 10:37.54 | doug_school | that it? |
| 10:38.00 | doug_school | my drive is full, so I cant see it |
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| 10:40.38 | ak|ra | hi cell |
| 10:40.45 | ak|ra | old longnose :) |
| 10:40.47 | Cell | bow |
| 10:42.06 | Cell | is there a randow bzflag world generator |
| 10:42.07 | Cell | ? |
| 10:42.12 | Cell | random |
| 10:42.21 | doug_school | HUP |
| 10:42.27 | doug_school | Cell: called bzfs |
| 10:42.35 | Cell | the server |
| 10:42.47 | doug_school | yup |
| 10:42.51 | doug_school | it makes random maps |
| 10:42.57 | doug_school | just cant save em |
| 10:42.59 | doug_school | lol |
| 10:43.14 | Cell | how do they look? |
| 10:43.50 | doug_school | PatLabor221: seems like that game of your has been sold to sonys multiplayer network and it now costs money |
| 10:43.53 | doug_school | Cell: good |
| 10:44.04 | doug_school | Cell: like ducati |
| 10:44.07 | doug_school | well |
| 10:44.10 | doug_school | it IS ducati |
| 10:44.25 | Cell | k, so only one level of hight |
| 10:44.43 | doug_school | no |
| 10:44.53 | doug_school | you can have random heights too |
| 10:44.58 | Cell | k |
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| 10:48.55 | doug_school | hmm |
| 10:50.01 | patlabor221 | is twerps are messing with the firebox again :( |
| 10:51.58 | patlabor221 | nope today is sword day. |
| 10:52.27 | patlabor221 | and I have a nice carbon spring steel hand and a half sword. |
| 10:52.35 | doug_school | ah |
| 10:53.08 | patlabor221 | ohh it's allready sharp |
| 10:53.36 | doug_school | k |
| 10:55.58 | patlabor221 | crap I forgot what else I had to do on BZE |
| 10:56.23 | ak|ra | ich penn gleich ein |
| 10:57.59 | patlabor221 | your a donut? |
| 10:58.18 | anaconda | ak|ra: dann geh schlafen;-) |
| 10:58.20 | ak|ra | (i am almost hitting the table with my head -> sleep) |
| 10:58.23 | ak|ra | anaconda: noch nich |
| 10:58.35 | anaconda | ak|ra: weshalb nicht? |
| 10:58.40 | patlabor221 | donuts don't do that |
| 10:58.51 | ak|ra | ich frag mich noch, wieso das alte compaq fx2 venturis ding pro slot nur 64 statt der 128 mb schluckt |
| 10:58.55 | doug_school | groupgin |
| 10:59.22 | patlabor221 | no I mean stuff that is busted |
| 10:59.31 | anaconda | ram? |
| 10:59.33 | patlabor221 | no new stuff till busted stuff |
| 11:00.09 | ak|ra | anaconda: ram |
| 11:01.06 | anaconda | ak|ra: ich hab compaq nicht so gerne... |
| 11:01.26 | anaconda | ak|ra: obwohl sie sicher auch gutes zeugs fabrizieren;-) |
| 11:01.43 | patlabor221 | ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/vizkit/BZE-1.5.9a3.zip |
| 11:01.47 | patlabor221 | alpha 3 |
| 11:01.52 | patlabor221 | please give it a go |
| 11:02.07 | ak|ra | compiles linux? |
| 11:02.24 | patlabor221 | I know the object dupe stuff is jaked. |
| 11:02.39 | patlabor221 | at least in naming and auto selection. |
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| 11:20.00 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired |
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| 11:57.11 | Cell | baaaaa |
| 12:00.54 | patlabor221 | when did he bevome a goat? |
| 12:02.55 | akira_ | hehe |
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| 12:09.04 | patlabor221 | and when did goats learn to type? |
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| 12:12.08 | Cell | full moon here, looks phantastic |
| 12:16.32 | patlabor221 | to AMD K6's have FPUs? |
| 12:18.59 | BZFlag | patlabor221: yes. |
| 12:19.05 | patlabor221 | good ones? |
| 12:20.02 | BZFlag | well, good as a pentium. |
| 12:20.02 | patlabor221 | ok thanks |
| 12:20.14 | Cell | what happens if i use the same key for different values in a hash table |
| 12:20.47 | patlabor221 | remember in star wars when the death star blew up. |
| 12:20.50 | patlabor221 | it'll be like that |
| 12:20.59 | patlabor221 | but just smaller. |
| 12:21.03 | Cell | i dont understan the hash table paradigma anyway |
| 12:21.22 | Cell | oh, thats bad |
| 12:21.37 | patlabor221 | I don't even know what a hash table is |
| 12:21.42 | patlabor221 | is it like a map? |
| 12:21.48 | Cell | yep |
| 12:21.56 | patlabor221 | why not just use a map? |
| 12:22.31 | iluxa | Because hash table is faster, for example |
| 12:22.39 | Cell | it says it sorts the values so that if it gets the hash of the key it can access the value fast |
| 12:23.02 | patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 12:23.02 | Cell | but dont know how this is done internally |
| 12:23.14 | patlabor221 | proalby a map and a vector |
| 12:23.34 | Cell | though i should, it was in a lecture i missed |
| 12:24.06 | iluxa | if you are talking about C++ stl hash tables, using same key should, afair, replace value |
| 12:24.17 | Chestal | no, a hash table is different |
| 12:24.18 | Cell | k, |
| 12:24.34 | Chestal | say, you want a dictionary with k->v |
| 12:24.51 | Chestal | then you take the key, calculate the hash value h(k) and use that as an array index |
| 12:24.57 | iluxa | hash table is simple -- hash function generates numbers from key, and then usus them as index into array of values |
| 12:25.16 | Chestal | so no searching is needed. Problem: different keys get maped to same hash value, so you need to resolve conflicts |
| 12:25.20 | Cell | but then the array can get large |
| 12:25.47 | Chestal | you nned a good hash function and a good estimation on the number of elements, so you can choose a clever array size |
| 12:25.53 | iluxa | It's job of hash function to make array as small as possible, by not generating large hash values |
| 12:26.18 | Cell | cause if i have two keys k1, k2 and h(k1) == 1000 * h(k2) then u have array of size 1000 |
| 12:26.28 | Chestal | hash tables give you very fast access to elements, but they are not sorted at all |
| 12:26.53 | Chestal | cell: you usually do a modulus calculation |
| 12:27.02 | Chestal | so, index=hash%array_size |
| 12:27.11 | Cell | then u have collisions |
| 12:27.15 | Chestal | yes, you will |
| 12:27.29 | Chestal | you can use open or closed hashing to resolve conflicts |
| 12:27.31 | Cell | how are they resolved? |
| 12:27.47 | Chestal | for the first, each array element is a linke dlist of values with same hash |
| 12:27.54 | Chestal | for the second, you jsut go to the nextarray position |
| 12:28.10 | Cell | k |
| 12:28.13 | Chestal | so, when you retrieve an element, you msut first check if it really is a hit, if not, you search for the next one |
| 12:28.53 | Cell | what is the hascode of a string |
| 12:29.13 | Chestal | depnds on you hash function |
| 12:29.39 | Chestal | usually, somethign very simple is used, like a weighted sum over the string positions |
| 12:29.50 | Chestal | or even an xor or something |
| 12:29.53 | Cell | k |
| 12:30.12 | Chestal | simple hash functions are fast, but can giev you more collisions, it's difficult to optimize it |
| 12:30.49 | Cell | k thanks |
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| 12:37.52 | Terminator | hi all |
| 12:38.15 | Terminator | ibot ducati |
| 12:38.15 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:38.17 | bzbot | jolt (G): -19 (48-67). nobody (G): -20 (18-38). MakosTeszta (R): 17 (98-81). LuZeeFa (R): 14 (71-57). M1 (G): 2 (80-78). [TLZ] FantaZee (R): 18 (46-28). elgen (G): -3 (32-35). calico (R): 4 (16-12). @ (G): 0 (0-0). |
| 12:38.24 | Terminator | ugh |
| 12:38.32 | Terminator | ibot ducati ffa |
| 12:38.32 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 12:38.33 | bzbot | lupinator (r): 46 (83-37). akira (r): 3 (5-2). Chacho (r): -38 (29-67). Patt O. Wc (r): -18 (41-59). Ginku (r): -1 (8-9). |
| 12:38.40 | Terminator | ooh |
| 12:42.45 | Cell | Someone know how to implement custom scrolling of child controls, where scrolling is possible if u drag the mouse cursor(hand) over the client area of the parent ctrl that is not covered by a child ctrl? |
| 12:43.36 | Cell | in win32 i just set the origin of the client coordinates of the parent ctrl, i think |
| 12:43.49 | Cell | to match the scrolling |
| 12:47.27 | [TeA|]-[XP] | ibot ducati |
| 12:47.27 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:47.28 | bzbot | iluxa (G): -8 (15-23). LuZeeFa (R): 17 (90-73). [TLZ] FantaZee (R): 34 (81-47). elgen (G): -4 (57-61). cutter (G): -4 (0-4). |
| 12:47.29 | Cell | i thing the java swing ctrls are much more versatilely then the win common ctrls |
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| 13:00.03 | patlabor221 | yay one fixed duplicate interface :) |
| 13:00.25 | patlabor221 | no more things named "1-box copy copy copy copy"\ |
| 13:01.13 | Doughecka | yay |
| 13:01.27 | patlabor221 | now to get it to save and read the names properly |
| 13:02.14 | Doughecka | heh |
| 13:02.19 | Doughecka | grrr |
| 13:02.31 | Doughecka | this game refuses to use these wrappers |
| 13:02.51 | patlabor221 | like I said the wrapers are not the same as a real card |
| 13:02.56 | Doughecka | yea |
| 13:03.04 | patlabor221 | it is proalby doing something funky |
| 13:03.04 | Doughecka | at least I got one to show up on the game menu |
| 13:03.11 | Doughecka | like no text |
| 13:03.15 | Doughecka | all the text was grey |
| 13:03.23 | patlabor221 | glide is very wierd |
| 13:03.36 | Doughecka | yea |
| 13:03.49 | patlabor221 | go get a voodoo2 |
| 13:03.52 | patlabor221 | they are like $10 |
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| 13:03.58 | Doughecka | bah |
| 13:04.08 | Doughecka | they are makin a d3d version, but I have to wait |
| 13:04.18 | Doughecka | or I could donate money, and get it ahead of time |
| 13:04.40 | patlabor221 | voodoo 1 $0.50 |
| 13:04.44 | patlabor221 | goes in 18 min |
| 13:04.50 | Doughecka | hahahah |
| 13:04.54 | Doughecka | how much shipping? |
| 13:04.57 | patlabor221 | $5 |
| 13:04.59 | patlabor221 | not bad |
| 13:05.03 | Doughecka | hm |
| 13:05.07 | patlabor221 | ohhit's a voodoo2 |
| 13:05.08 | Doughecka | pci? |
| 13:05.09 | patlabor221 | 12 meger |
| 13:05.19 | patlabor221 | all voodoo 1 and 2 are PCI |
| 13:05.26 | Doughecka | k |
| 13:05.27 | patlabor221 | they don't replace your exisint card, |
| 13:05.29 | patlabor221 | they work with it |
| 13:05.34 | patlabor221 | loop thru |
| 13:05.35 | Doughecka | hopfully |
| 13:05.46 | patlabor221 | no they do |
| 13:05.47 | Doughecka | lemme try this other wrapper |
| 13:05.54 | patlabor221 | they take there own drivers |
| 13:05.59 | Doughecka | oh? |
| 13:06.03 | Doughecka | thats... cool |
| 13:06.07 | patlabor221 | you got 16 min |
| 13:06.12 | Doughecka | no money |
| 13:06.13 | Doughecka | :P |
| 13:06.35 | patlabor221 | you don't have $5.50? |
| 13:06.40 | Doughecka | no |
| 13:06.45 | Doughecka | not in paypal |
| 13:07.27 | patlabor221 | your parents won't give you 5.50 to put in there? |
| 13:07.35 | patlabor221 | that's cheaper then lunch |
| 13:07.46 | Doughecka | hah |
| 13:07.55 | Doughecka | I shall wait for the d3d version |
| 13:08.32 | patlabor221 | wonder why they are doing D3d |
| 13:08.38 | patlabor221 | not GL |
| 13:08.41 | Doughecka | windows only |
| 13:08.43 | patlabor221 | so |
| 13:08.46 | Doughecka | its a windows only game |
| 13:08.48 | patlabor221 | so |
| 13:09.06 | Doughecka | dunno why |
| 13:09.21 | patlabor221 | they must have got an api wraper that's dxd only |
| 13:09.35 | Doughecka | hm |
| 13:09.57 | patlabor221 | or they are going lazy and doing it with the dxutils |
| 13:10.10 | Doughecka | heh |
| 13:10.14 | Doughecka | well |
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| 13:10.29 | Doughecka | its a free game.. all donatings... |
| 13:10.55 | patlabor221 | open? |
| 13:11.47 | Doughecka | no |
| 13:12.08 | Doughecka | grrr, get the same thing, its like theres no transparentcy |
| 13:13.27 | Doughecka | oh well.. |
| 13:13.40 | patlabor221 | glide didn't suport alpha |
| 13:13.44 | patlabor221 | not in glide 1 |
| 13:13.49 | Doughecka | oh? |
| 13:13.52 | patlabor221 | or glide 2 |
| 13:13.58 | patlabor221 | don't think they had that till glide 3 |
| 13:14.04 | Doughecka | I have glide 3 wrappers |
| 13:14.57 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 13:15.03 | Doughecka | Tanarus seems to be pay |
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| 13:15.44 | Doughecka | Station Pass games (Tanarus, Infantry, Cosmic Rift) and EverQuest |
| 13:24.28 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 13:24.36 | Cell | shit i have to confess i dont understand how a combo box works |
| 13:24.38 | patlabor221 | and cosmic rift? |
| 13:24.50 | Doughecka | yea |
| 13:24.51 | Doughecka | all 3 |
| 13:24.53 | Doughecka | :( |
| 13:24.53 | patlabor221 | cell? how so it's just a list |
| 13:25.03 | Doughecka | wulfram is the only one left thats simaler |
| 13:25.24 | patlabor221 | go play subspace. |
| 13:25.29 | Cell | patlabor221: i want to create new items by typing text and press return |
| 13:25.41 | Doughecka | ? |
| 13:25.46 | Doughecka | free? |
| 13:26.00 | patlabor221 | yes subspace is free |
| 13:26.08 | patlabor221 | cell, you need a button |
| 13:26.10 | Doughecka | slick |
| 13:26.17 | Doughecka | hes got a belly button |
| 13:26.17 | patlabor221 | then just do a GetWindowText to see what they entered |
| 13:26.28 | Cell | oh, shit my error |
| 13:26.32 | patlabor221 | then do an AddString to add an item |
| 13:27.06 | Cell | i used two combo boxes and mixed them inadvertently |
| 13:27.18 | Cell | thats why it does not work |
| 13:28.10 | patlabor221 | yes you need an event to know when they are done typing |
| 13:28.13 | patlabor221 | usualy a button |
| 13:28.53 | Cell | key down |
| 13:28.55 | Cell | event |
| 13:28.57 | patlabor221 | or what ever |
| 13:29.52 | Cell | is it possible to bind a combo box list to a mfc list |
| 13:29.55 | Cell | ? |
| 13:30.14 | Cell | so when the combobox changes the list changes too |
| 13:30.29 | Cell | automatically |
| 13:30.33 | patlabor221 | sure in code |
| 13:30.39 | patlabor221 | nothing is ever automatic |
| 13:31.10 | patlabor221 | installa OnItemChange handaler for the Combo |
| 13:31.20 | patlabor221 | and it can update the list |
| 13:31.32 | Cell | k |
| 13:32.30 | Cell | i meant data binding |
| 13:40.01 | Cell | wow c# rocks again |
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| 13:41.53 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired AND ITS ALL DOUGS FAULT! |
| 13:42.26 | bzlynx | anyone knows why I get only 20 fps with a radeon, while GL is ok (gears/tuxracer etc) |
| 13:42.38 | scanline | captain_proton: :) |
| 13:42.40 | Doughecka | ~topic restore #1 |
| 13:42.57 | scanline | ibot hates doug, and it's all doug's fault! |
| 13:42.57 | | scanline: bugger all, i dunno |
| 13:43.04 | Doughecka | uh huh |
| 13:43.29 | Doughecka | haha |
| 13:44.14 | bzlynx | ugh no then |
| 13:44.26 | patlabor221 | lock the topic |
| 13:44.40 | bzlynx | hmm how (sorry) |
| 13:44.53 | Doughecka | ~topic restore 1 |
| 13:44.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+t ] by captain_proton |
| 13:45.03 | Doughecka | uh huh |
| 13:45.47 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 13:45.55 | captain_proton | grumble |
| 13:45.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [-t ] by captain_proton |
| 13:46.05 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired AND ITS ALL DOUGS FAULT! (Unknown) (doughecka) |
| 13:46.11 | scanline | oops |
| 13:46.15 | Doughecka | oops |
| 13:46.41 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 13:46.41 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (doughecka) |
| 13:46.42 | scanline | that's better |
| 13:46.51 | Cell | u can bind the hastable to the combobox this rocks |
| 13:46.55 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (doughecka) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (doughecka) |
| 13:47.02 | Doughecka | dats better |
| 13:47.03 | scanline | Cell: ? |
| 13:47.19 | captain_proton | nicely done, i like the duplicate |
| 13:47.30 | patlabor221 | dumb ass |
| 13:47.36 | Doughecka | heh |
| 13:47.41 | Doughecka | ~topic rm 6 |
| 13:47.42 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 13:47.47 | Doughecka | hm |
| 13:47.57 | patlabor221 | ohh just devoice him |
| 13:48.11 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (doughecka) |
| 13:48.22 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (doughecka) |
| 13:48.26 | Doughecka | thats better |
| 13:49.35 | captain_proton | hi ho, hi ho, its off to work i go |
| 13:49.49 | *** topic/#bzflag by patlabor221 -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's all Doug's Falut!! |
| 13:50.00 | bzlynx | Falut |
| 13:50.12 | *** topic/#bzflag by patlabor221 -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's all Doug's Fault!! |
| 13:50.14 | Doughecka | ~topic restore |
| 13:50.30 | Doughecka | ~topic restore 1 |
| 13:50.30 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (doughecka) |
| 13:50.34 | bzlynx | interesting... |
| 13:50.42 | *** topic/#bzflag by patlabor221 -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's all Doug's Fault!! |
| 13:50.43 | Doughecka | ~topic restore 1 |
| 13:50.44 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired (doughecka) |
| 13:51.07 | patlabor221 | doug why do you insist on changeing the topic that a channel OP has set? |
| 13:51.10 | *** topic/#bzflag by patlabor221 -> rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || 1.7 will become HEAD, 1.8 to be retired And It's all Doug's Fault!! |
| 13:51.11 | chsh[] | This isn't #topicwars? |
| 13:51.26 | Doughecka | :P |
| 13:51.27 | patlabor221 | an op set the topic, leave it be |
| 13:51.33 | patlabor221 | don't go whining to daddy |
| 13:51.40 | patlabor221 | take the joke and live with it. |
| 13:51.41 | Doughecka | it aint me fault |
| 13:51.44 | Doughecka | :P |
| 13:51.46 | patlabor221 | so |
| 13:51.48 | patlabor221 | it's funny |
| 13:52.15 | patlabor221 | would you deny the rest of us hummor becasue you have no sense of it? |
| 13:52.21 | Doughecka | I do too |
| 13:52.24 | Doughecka | bwuahahahaha |
| 13:52.41 | patlabor221 | then you sould be able to lauch with us |
| 13:53.01 | patlabor221 | this is one of those "interacting with real people " lessons you need to learn :) |
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| 13:53.16 | patlabor221 | into space |
| 13:53.29 | Doughecka | that does not compute |
| 13:53.45 | chsh[] | so what'd doug do to kill 1.8? |
| 13:53.53 | Doughecka | doom sprites? |
| 13:53.55 | Doughecka | ick |
| 13:53.59 | patlabor221 | DOOOM! |
| 13:54.18 | chsh[] | Come on, what did he do? |
| 13:54.19 | Doughecka | ok, maybe one monster |
| 13:54.46 | patlabor221 | laser cloud. |
| 13:54.49 | chsh[] | you guys ever try jDoom for windows? |
| 13:54.57 | Doughecka | LASER CLOUD! |
| 13:54.58 | patlabor221 | straw that broke the cammels back |
| 13:55.04 | Doughecka | lol |
| 13:55.17 | patlabor221 | I'm trying legacyDOOM now |
| 13:55.21 | patlabor221 | suposed to have GL support |
| 13:55.26 | Doughecka | free? |
| 13:55.32 | patlabor221 | yup |
| 13:55.43 | patlabor221 | doom went open source |
| 13:55.46 | Doughecka | oh? |
| 13:55.49 | Doughecka | thats slick |
| 13:55.54 | patlabor221 | well the soruces were GPLed |
| 13:55.56 | patlabor221 | long a go |
| 13:56.01 | Doughecka | yea |
| 13:56.03 | Doughecka | like quake |
| 13:56.04 | Doughecka | sorta |
| 13:56.08 | patlabor221 | before quake |
| 13:56.14 | Doughecka | yea |
| 13:56.20 | patlabor221 | they GPL them in order of release. |
| 14:01.57 | chsh[] | Doom with vertical mouse movement just owns |
| 14:02.18 | Cell | cell has successfully implemented CSG operations on non manifold meshes |
| 14:03.10 | patlabor221 | how fast? |
| 14:03.29 | patlabor221 | dool legacy isn't that bad |
| 14:03.36 | patlabor221 | looks decent in GL |
| 14:03.43 | patlabor221 | get all the filtering. |
| 14:04.11 | patlabor221 | this is what they are adding now |
| 14:04.12 | patlabor221 | OpenGL/3dfx, True 3D-Floors, |
| 14:04.12 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.12 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.12 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.12 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.14 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.16 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.32 | Cell | ha? |
| 14:04.44 | chsh[] | Doom Legacy eh? |
| 14:04.56 | patlabor221 | looks like they have a MD2 reader too so you can replace the sprites with meshes if you want |
| 14:04.57 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 14:05.01 | patlabor221 | http://legacy.newdoom.com/ |
| 14:05.15 | patlabor221 | foudn my old "ultimate doom" wad file |
| 14:05.51 | scanline | hehe, fragglescript |
| 14:06.14 | scanline | fraggle's also working on a project to do an open source .wad file for doom |
| 14:08.25 | patlabor221 | ahh all orginral art? |
| 14:08.33 | scanline | yep, and levels |
| 14:08.41 | patlabor221 | very cool |
| 14:09.20 | patlabor221 | wow they have light sources hooked up, and real alpha |
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| 14:10.17 | patlabor221 | must fix bze so it works with names with spaces |
| 14:10.23 | scanline | http://sourceforge.net/projects/freedoom/ |
| 14:11.22 | patlabor221 | looks a bit duke-nukem ish |
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| 14:15.14 | patlabor221 | ok new bzedit windows rule, don't put '/' in a object name :) |
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| 14:29.19 | scanline | Whoever thought MavViewOfFileEx,CreateFileMapping, and OpenFileMapping could be better than mmap() should be shot |
| 14:29.29 | scanline | and whoever came up with CreateProcess should be shot again |
| 14:29.45 | patlabor221 | proalby the same guy |
| 14:29.53 | scanline | well then he gets shot twice |
| 14:30.10 | scanline | and a disembowelment for the inventor of hungarian notation |
| 14:31.32 | patlabor221 | opps, I seem to have broke the opening of old maps :( |
| 14:48.31 | scanline | silly map format, magic comments are for doxygen |
| 14:48.40 | patlabor221 | I know |
| 14:48.57 | patlabor221 | I wish it would just skip fields it didn't know about. |
| 14:49.04 | scanline | XML! :P |
| 14:49.20 | patlabor221 | ~sus |
| 14:49.20 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 14:49.23 | patlabor221 | LOL |
| 14:49.27 | patlabor221 | ok that's funny |
| 14:50.31 | patlabor221 | well now it loads old maps :) |
| 14:50.47 | patlabor221 | won't read in names from maps it didn't make tho |
| 14:51.01 | patlabor221 | or at elast ones that have the name comment outside the object block |
| 14:51.08 | scanline | hmm... |
| 14:51.26 | patlabor221 | P2501 has one of those |
| 14:51.35 | patlabor221 | never been that fond of them |
| 14:51.51 | scanline | I've seen some really nifty in-game map editors |
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| 15:04.49 | scanline | you could have the same sort of UI as a standalone editor, but you woudn't have to switch between it and the game to play-test |
| 15:04.55 | patlabor221 | but I don't know if it needs to be inthe same executable |
| 15:05.18 | patlabor221 | I like the idea of the world engine having an edit API. |
| 15:05.25 | scanline | why not, it's not like binary size matters on modern games |
| 15:05.57 | patlabor221 | true, I just look at mentannce |
| 15:06.16 | patlabor221 | every new editor feature means a new game version. |
| 15:06.31 | scanline | so? |
| 15:06.55 | scanline | as long as you have a separate protocol version and clearly mark that, it shouldn't matter |
| 15:07.35 | patlabor221 | this is true in theory |
| 15:08.29 | patlabor221 | I think to do it in bz would take a lot more clean up |
| 15:09.08 | patlabor221 | the world database class that bzXL uses has all the stuff needed to do something like that tho |
| 15:09.44 | patlabor221 | has all the stuff for read/write and add/remove of stuff |
| 15:11.16 | scanline | Might just be something to consider when bz moves to fully arbitrary worlds |
| 15:11.26 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:11.35 | scanline | IMHO it would be much simpler to maintain an editor that's part of the game than two completely separate editors |
| 15:11.47 | scanline | besides the usability benefits of having it all integrated |
| 15:11.54 | patlabor221 | it may be |
| 15:14.02 | scanline | XL? |
| 15:14.18 | patlabor221 | I made a testbed app called BZFlagXL |
| 15:14.25 | patlabor221 | to test new things |
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| 15:52.54 | patlabor221 | ugg 8 CDS for the .net 2003 final beta. |
| 16:14.28 | captain_proton | .net what? |
| 16:15.39 | patlabor221 | visual studio thing |
| 16:15.50 | captain_proton | ah |
| 16:15.54 | patlabor221 | VS, MSDN lib, Source safe, Viso |
| 16:15.58 | patlabor221 | all the stuff |
| 16:16.16 | captain_proton | hmm, i could use a copy of visio |
| 16:17.05 | patlabor221 | I'm no saying there is |
| 16:17.06 | captain_proton | J#?!? |
| 16:17.13 | patlabor221 | java with .net bindings |
| 16:17.22 | captain_proton | yeah yeah i know |
| 16:17.23 | captain_proton | but still |
| 16:17.25 | captain_proton | J#!?! |
| 16:17.35 | patlabor221 | I'm not saying there is ... but if I was me.. I 'd look in my ftp folder for a viso iso. |
| 16:17.40 | patlabor221 | yeah I know |
| 16:18.04 | captain_proton | nah i'm cool, would like to stay in the state where i own all my software |
| 16:18.10 | patlabor221 | if you want the regular one let me know |
| 16:18.14 | patlabor221 | this is the 2003 beta |
| 16:19.45 | patlabor221 | captain_proton: where does your editor put the #!name comments? |
| 16:19.52 | patlabor221 | before or after the Ent type? |
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| 16:57.04 | patlabor221 | and prays |
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| 17:15.52 | Patlabor221 | get phat lewt? |
| 17:16.11 | scanline | nah, got some spiffy code working |
| 17:17.50 | scanline | picogui embedded into OpenGL apps :) |
| 17:18.12 | Patlabor221 | like drawn with GL? |
| 17:18.17 | scanline | yes |
| 17:18.25 | Patlabor221 | that is very cool |
| 17:18.27 | scanline | and supporting GL primitives inside picogui themes and apps |
| 17:19.03 | scanline | picogui's had the ability to draw to OpenGL for a while now, but I'm hacking on the ability to embed that into an existing gl app |
| 17:19.07 | Patlabor221 | so then I could use Pico as a UI for something like a MMORG |
| 17:19.11 | scanline | yep |
| 17:19.19 | Patlabor221 | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:19.21 | scanline | captain_proton was interested in it for jetstream |
| 17:19.38 | Patlabor221 | yaah way coller then our little pannel manager |
| 17:20.03 | scanline | right now I just have a proof-of-concept test that links with pgserver as a shared library and creates a simple GUI on top of a spinning cube |
| 17:20.43 | Patlabor221 | I may be interested in that for BZFlagXL |
| 17:21.19 | Patlabor221 | allways thought that games needed real UI's |
| 17:21.25 | scanline | :) |
| 17:21.33 | Patlabor221 | not the "huge list of options" |
| 17:21.50 | scanline | The neat part about this is that it's compatible with existing picogui themes, WTs, and apps... but you can just as easily draw the UI using opengl primitives instead of picogui primitives |
| 17:22.17 | scanline | so you could have real 3D buttons :) |
| 17:29.57 | Patlabor221 | and like 3d spinning list bullets? :) |
| 17:30.17 | Patlabor221 | pannel manager supportts custom UI ents |
| 17:30.23 | Patlabor221 | but it's horibly limit4ed. |
| 17:31.08 | captain_proton | joy on a stick |
| 17:31.13 | captain_proton | our home directory fileserver filled up |
| 17:31.21 | captain_proton | so noone could log in to the ugrad lab |
| 17:31.22 | Patlabor221 | pr0n? |
| 17:31.38 | captain_proton | user data |
| 17:31.42 | Patlabor221 | aka pr0n |
| 17:31.46 | captain_proton | LOTS of user data |
| 17:32.03 | Patlabor221 | aka 6.3 terabites of pr0n |
| 17:34.19 | Patlabor221 | or 1 copy of .net 2003 |
| 17:37.32 | scanline | w00t |
| 17:38.21 | scanline | it would be better if the text worked... but here's a screenshot: |
| 17:38.29 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/gl_embed_test.png |
| 17:38.49 | Patlabor221 | very nice |
| 17:39.12 | scanline | oh, I should take one with the OSD up |
| 17:39.38 | scanline | there's also a camera control mode |
| 17:40.30 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/gl_embed_test2.png |
| 17:40.48 | Patlabor221 | freaky |
| 17:40.57 | scanline | would look a lot better if my old font engine wasn't broke |
| 17:41.02 | scanline | :) |
| 17:41.07 | Patlabor221 | LGe needs to include Pico services :) |
| 17:41.24 | scanline | well, this all needs cleanup still |
| 17:41.31 | scanline | what you see there took 223 lines of slightly hackish C code |
| 17:41.45 | Patlabor221 | I didn't say right now, I just meant in general |
| 17:42.06 | Patlabor221 | hell then we could use it for all the overlay stuff, even huds |
| 17:42.52 | Patlabor221 | does it put gl in ortho mode? or caluate the eyve coords? |
| 17:43.03 | scanline | calculates |
| 17:43.15 | Patlabor221 | very nice, then it will work with shutter glasses |
| 17:43.17 | scanline | ortho mode wasn't satisfactory since I still wanted to be able to do 3D special effects |
| 17:43.37 | scanline | though it does disable the depth test, since most things are drawn in the same plane |
| 17:43.39 | Patlabor221 | yes I was geting pissed at ortho mode as well |
| 17:43.47 | Patlabor221 | still at least it's a plane |
| 17:44.17 | Patlabor221 | the shutter glasses I have, are interesting, they don't require the app to specifcly support them |
| 17:44.30 | Patlabor221 | the driver shifts the gl cam matrix for the ap |
| 17:44.57 | Patlabor221 | for each frame |
| 17:45.06 | scanline | ha, freaky |
| 17:45.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:45.49 | Patlabor221 | but it works decently enough |
| 17:45.57 | Patlabor221 | and it's nice that all apps pick up the same setings |
| 17:46.09 | Patlabor221 | but it dosn't work with stuff in ortho mode |
| 17:46.25 | Patlabor221 | so your stuff would be perfect |
| 17:47.31 | Patlabor221 | how does it get events? |
| 17:48.14 | scanline | right now pgserver's handling events using its own input driver, but I suspect that in actual use you'd pass it events from your own input code. You can do that easily enough with input filters |
| 17:48.42 | scanline | of course another way to do it would be to start out with pgserver's input drivers and add your app's input in an input filter |
| 17:48.43 | scanline | :) |
| 17:49.34 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 17:49.45 | Patlabor221 | we have not made input classes yet |
| 17:49.57 | scanline | picogui's input filters are really spiffy |
| 17:50.13 | Patlabor221 | can they get input from joysticks and stuff? |
| 17:50.19 | scanline | sure |
| 17:50.41 | Patlabor221 | then it may be the best way to go |
| 17:50.45 | scanline | right now they're mainly targeted at mice, keyboards, and touchscreens, but they're very easily extensible. There's already a joystick driver, but it would need some work |
| 17:50.45 | Patlabor221 | does it use SDL? |
| 17:50.50 | scanline | it can |
| 17:51.04 | scanline | picogui has its own abstraction layer for video and input, but there are SDL drivers for those layers |
| 17:51.16 | Patlabor221 | that would probly be the best for us |
| 17:51.44 | scanline | picogui also has its own OS abstraction layer, but its' currently very simple and probably not good for much more than what pgserver needs it for |
| 17:52.02 | Patlabor221 | well if we just used it for the input |
| 17:52.20 | Patlabor221 | and got it to draw a GL cursor :) |
| 17:52.30 | scanline | yep |
| 17:52.37 | Patlabor221 | I got libs that will take care of the other stuff |
| 17:52.38 | scanline | in fact, it's drawing a cursor in GL right now |
| 17:52.44 | Patlabor221 | I'm going to make an OS file class |
| 17:52.47 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 17:53.16 | scanline | this sdlgl driver also has some little goodies like modes for zooming and rotating things with the mouse, and a simple status OSD |
| 17:53.31 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:53.38 | scanline | oh, and objects defined in the theme can be animated :) |
| 17:53.51 | Patlabor221 | I asumed that |
| 17:53.59 | Patlabor221 | but it's good to know |
| 17:55.06 | Patlabor221 | I allways liked how Unreal tournament used real OS type interface items, in it's game setup |
| 17:56.52 | Patlabor221 | well time to squeeze out another BZE alpah |
| 17:58.08 | Patlabor221 | doug you here? |
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| 18:35.41 | sussudio | hmm what a dork on ZDF |
| 18:36.07 | sussudio | "where did i leave my carkeys.. oh yeah! i've pierces them through my ass!" |
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| 18:43.30 | Patlabor221 | can anyone see if this works in there browser? ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/vizkit/BZEToDo.html |
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| 18:45.41 | sussudio | looks kinda messed up in links |
| 18:48.03 | sussudio | dont msg me........ goes through channel text |
| 18:48.23 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 18:48.32 | sussudio | wankerspanker |
| 18:49.39 | wankerspanker | anyways suss..they were saying the teles jammed or something on that map we were on |
| 18:50.01 | sussudio | what map |
| 18:50.18 | wankerspanker | the one we were just playing on.. |
| 18:50.36 | sussudio | bunnies? |
| 18:50.43 | wankerspanker | yes |
| 18:50.57 | sussudio | i dont see how they could jam |
| 18:51.19 | wankerspanker | i dont either i tried them they worked fine but at least 2 people got stuck in them |
| 18:51.58 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 18:52.09 | wankerspanker | nokay just thght i would let you know |
| 18:52.10 | sussudio | they're all the same size except the one in the middle |
| 18:53.43 | Patlabor221 | maybe the other people just need to lay of the pastrys |
| 18:54.04 | sussudio | teleporters of different sizes can get you stuck sometimes |
| 18:54.16 | sussudio | or people being stupid and going at teleporters right on the edge in a weird angle |
| 18:54.22 | sussudio | but that'll happen with all teleporters |
| 18:54.44 | Patlabor221 | well- new bze ALPHA ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/vizkit/BZE-1.5.9a4.zip |
| 18:54.59 | Patlabor221 | and a new ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/vizkit/BZEToDo.html |
| 18:55.09 | Patlabor221 | let me know if there is anything I shoudl add to the list. |
| 18:55.21 | Patlabor221 | I must go to the second job now. |
| 18:55.54 | sussudio | k |
| 18:56.09 | Patlabor221 | it should launch from a command line now, but I haven't tested it |
| 18:57.29 | Patlabor221 | the todo list was just an export from excell |
| 18:57.34 | Patlabor221 | so I don't know how it will look |
| 18:57.41 | Patlabor221 | I'd love to get one that people could post to |
| 19:01.22 | sussudio | now bzedit32 makes wine segfault :-P |
| 19:09.04 | Doughecka | new bze |
| 19:14.52 | Doughecka | STAND BY FOR NEWS! |
| 19:14.53 | Doughecka | ~news |
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| 19:25.39 | Doughecka | 'lo Jeff_ |
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| 19:30.01 | Jeff_ | hello |
| 19:30.08 | Jeff_ | can you dig it? |
| 19:30.19 | Jeff_ | wtf? |
| 19:30.27 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhhhh |
| 19:30.32 | Doughecka | lol |
| 19:30.43 | Patlabor221 | hate those out of nick experiences. |
| 19:31.03 | Doughecka | heh |
| 19:33.41 | Patlabor221 | anyone know enough about PHP &| asp to make me an interactive todo/bug web page? |
| 19:33.54 | Doughecka | a wiki |
| 19:34.04 | Doughecka | do you have python on your webserver? |
| 19:34.11 | Patlabor221 | not realy a wikki |
| 19:34.15 | Patlabor221 | more orginized |
| 19:34.15 | dutchrai | Or a cgi-bin? |
| 19:34.19 | Doughecka | hm |
| 19:34.23 | Doughecka | dunno |
| 19:34.26 | Patlabor221 | I am suposed to have it all |
| 19:34.35 | dutchrai | Let me give you a link..one moment |
| 19:34.40 | Patlabor221 | like this but where people can add to it |
| 19:34.53 | dutchrai | http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/scripts.shtml |
| 19:35.01 | dutchrai | A whole package of good scripts |
| 19:35.09 | Patlabor221 | ftp://ftp.gibbscam.com/pub/outgoing/vizkit/bzetodo.html |
| 19:35.46 | dutchrai | Here's a biggy: |
| 19:35.47 | dutchrai | http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Programs_and_Scripts/ |
| 19:37.11 | Patlabor221 | hmm that would mean I would have to figure out how to make them web thinkgys work |
| 19:37.44 | dutchrai | They're quite easy to do |
| 19:37.58 | dutchrai | I didn't know zip about it, yet managed to install in no time |
| 19:37.59 | dutchrai | y bud |
| 19:38.02 | dutchrai | Easy bud |
| 19:38.08 | Patlabor221 | well I am icredibly lazy |
| 19:38.22 | Patlabor221 | my lazyness knows NO bounds. |
| 19:38.22 | dutchrai | Oh...then you might want to use hosted services |
| 19:38.39 | Patlabor221 | or I just ask my ASP guy to make me one :) |
| 19:38.49 | dutchrai | Hehe..lol |
| 19:39.26 | dutchrai | Bu why re-invent the wheel if there are good and free scripts around? |
| 19:39.35 | Patlabor221 | well that's all he will do |
| 19:39.47 | dutchrai | k...:-) |
| 19:39.48 | Patlabor221 | just get them and put them up, and make my templates |
| 19:39.51 | Patlabor221 | it's lazy too |
| 19:39.56 | Patlabor221 | he's lazy too |
| 19:40.02 | dutchrai | Well it always works for me |
| 19:40.10 | Patlabor221 | but he knows all about that kinda stuff |
| 19:40.18 | dutchrai | nerd? |
| 19:40.34 | Patlabor221 | well I don't see anything on the SF site that will do a todo list |
| 19:41.13 | dutchrai | Mm...there are feature requests and a flag todo list |
| 19:42.03 | Patlabor221 | I didn't see scrips for that tho |
| 19:42.14 | dutchrai | Aren't any as far as I know |
| 19:42.47 | Patlabor221 | there is one I can get for $15 |
| 19:43.06 | dutchrai | Which one? |
| 19:43.28 | Patlabor221 | http://www.internalysis.com/cgi-bin/todo.cgi |
| 19:44.18 | dutchrai | Mm..you should be able to find a free one with similar or more features |
| 19:45.21 | dutchrai | http://cgilabs.cjb.net/ |
| 19:45.23 | dutchrai | r free |
| 19:45.27 | dutchrai | For free |
| 19:45.42 | dutchrai | Got todo and more |
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| 19:48.21 | God-fearer | So is it worth it to run bzfls ??? will anyone be able to use it? automatically .... if bzflag.sourceforge.net is down? |
| 19:49.21 | dutchrai | Nope..not automatically. You should configure the bzflag client to point to the bzfls |
| 19:49.59 | God-fearer | So you cannot configure alternate bzfls(es) ??? |
| 19:50.24 | dutchrai | bzflag has a few default ones it will check (as far as I know) |
| 19:50.46 | dutchrai | If you want to run your own then no client will see it without work on the client side |
| 19:51.31 | God-fearer | Several times lately sf.net has been down .... an no alternate bzfls was used by default |
| 19:51.47 | dutchrai | ok..guess so. maybe an idea to change that |
| 19:51.58 | God-fearer | The other day it was down for 12 hours |
| 19:51.59 | dutchrai | Lots of SF problems lately |
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| 19:52.08 | Patlabor221 | they have been moving stuff |
| 19:52.11 | dutchrai | Yeah..and mailing lists didn't work for a while too |
| 19:52.16 | dutchrai | Ah.. |
| 19:52.18 | dutchrai | That explains |
| 19:52.32 | [STC]creeperz | on shellshock, where does it show the heigth of a tank at now? |
| 19:52.43 | scanline | I'm pretty sure all the SF moving is done |
| 19:52.43 | dutchrai | It doesnt :-) |
| 19:52.47 | [STC]creeperz | huh?! |
| 19:52.58 | [STC]creeperz | that was useful information! |
| 19:53.07 | dutchrai | Sorry..will try to find out |
| 19:53.18 | dutchrai | But collision detection is only on floor level of the tank |
| 19:53.31 | [STC]creeperz | thnx, maybe you should have just copied and pasted most of the info :) lol |
| 19:53.36 | dutchrai | Good idea though, expect this info soon |
| 19:53.39 | Patlabor221 | what the hell is shellshock? |
| 19:53.42 | God-fearer | Anyone here familiar with setting up the nVidia drivers on a RedHat box? |
| 19:53.48 | dutchrai | www.shellshock.dutchrai.com |
| 19:53.57 | [STC]creeperz | RedHat box? |
| 19:54.05 | dutchrai | Sorry God-fearer..have Windowz (and it sucks) |
| 19:54.09 | sussudio | box infected with redhat |
| 19:54.09 | [STC]creeperz | FORGET I ASKED! lol |
| 19:54.17 | Patlabor221 | thre are instructions on nvidia's site |
| 19:54.19 | [STC]creeperz | ok?! |
| 19:54.26 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 19:54.39 | God-fearer | Cant seem to follow instructions |
| 19:54.45 | Patlabor221 | a tank is 2.08 unit shigh |
| 19:54.47 | dutchrai | STC > Will include full tank dimensions on shell shock soon |
| 19:54.48 | [STC]creeperz | Win...DOWS SUCKS!! IT REALLY REALLY SUX...SUX...SUX!! |
| 19:54.51 | dutchrai | Oh..tx |
| 19:55.01 | [STC]creeperz | and shots fire at...? |
| 19:55.02 | Patlabor221 | 2.8 wide |
| 19:55.09 | God-fearer | That's why I want to use my Hat box ... |
| 19:55.12 | Patlabor221 | ohh I odn't recall |
| 19:55.12 | [STC]creeperz | where u get this info>? |
| 19:55.16 | Patlabor221 | the code |
| 19:55.19 | sussudio | redrat sux0rs |
| 19:55.26 | dutchrai | Shots between 1.56 and 1.57 |
| 19:55.32 | God-fearer | right now i've been using a debian machine ... it is great! |
| 19:55.33 | [STC]creeperz | ok, thnx |
| 19:55.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah something like that |
| 19:55.39 | dutchrai | Length of tank? |
| 19:55.41 | dutchrai | :-) |
| 19:55.42 | Patlabor221 | ohh what is the bbox of my tank model |
| 19:55.43 | [STC]creeperz | Thnx abunches |
| 19:55.44 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 19:55.47 | [STC]creeperz | yea that too |
| 19:55.47 | dutchrai | k |
| 19:55.58 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 19:56.00 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 19:56.04 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 19:56.06 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 19:56.08 | [STC]creeperz | omg! |
| 19:56.08 | [STC]creeperz | omg! |
| 19:56.10 | sussudio | ~lart [STC]creeperz |
| 19:56.18 | Patlabor221 | ok you can stop now |
| 19:56.23 | [STC]creeperz | sorry |
| 19:56.31 | [STC]creeperz | ENTER button slipped |
| 19:56.42 | dutchrai | mm..try not to get kicked..lol |
| 19:56.51 | [STC]creeperz | yea... |
| 19:57.27 | [STC]creeperz | is that what they do all day? Just stay in here and wait for someone to slip up? |
| 19:57.31 | God-fearer | So how many folks here play bzflag on Linux regularly? |
| 19:57.38 | dutchrai | Precisely |
| 19:57.41 | [STC]creeperz | I use windows |
| 19:57.44 | [STC]creeperz | :( |
| 19:57.44 | God-fearer | Don't lie |
| 19:57.45 | dutchrai | Windows |
| 19:58.03 | dutchrai | If I go by website statistics, it is 1/3 linux and 2/3 windows |
| 19:58.08 | God-fearer | Linux (Debian, Sid) |
| 19:58.25 | God-fearer | Dang ... that's pretty amazing |
| 19:58.34 | dutchrai | Not bad at all for Linux |
| 19:58.39 | God-fearer | Dang that's pretty amazing |
| 19:58.39 | [STC]creeperz | wow (unimpressed) |
| 19:58.45 | [STC]creeperz | lol yea |
| 19:58.53 | [STC]creeperz | :| |
| 19:59.37 | God-fearer | So is the bzw size fixed in bzflag? ... what is the biggest possible |
| 19:59.38 | Patlabor221 | tank len 6 |
| 19:59.41 | God-fearer | ?? |
| 19:59.43 | Patlabor221 | width 2.8 |
| 19:59.50 | Patlabor221 | height 2.05 |
| 19:59.53 | dutchrai | Tx! |
| 20:00.06 | dutchrai | Will update my site with that info |
| 20:00.18 | dutchrai | Handy for map developers |
| 20:00.31 | [STC]creeperz | ok, could you put that in an email and send me the dimensions, along with how HIGH a tank can jump? |
| 20:00.43 | [STC]creeperz | and how far? |
| 20:00.44 | Patlabor221 | 18 units on the jump |
| 20:00.44 | dutchrai | It jumps 18 units heigh |
| 20:00.48 | dutchrai | lol |
| 20:00.49 | [STC]creeperz | thnx |
| 20:00.50 | God-fearer | Why do my shots go through them, but there's hit me? |
| 20:00.51 | Patlabor221 | far is based on speed |
| 20:01.00 | dutchrai | lag... |
| 20:01.11 | [STC]creeperz | full speed, no flag |
| 20:01.19 | [STC]creeperz | no inertia on server |
| 20:01.23 | Patlabor221 | One of the things on my todo is to add a little tank model to the editor |
| 20:01.30 | Patlabor221 | that shows all that |
| 20:01.34 | [STC]creeperz | yup |
| 20:01.40 | Patlabor221 | one of dougs actualy good ideas :) |
| 20:01.50 | [STC]creeperz | and A list of instructions for BZEdit :) |
| 20:01.59 | Patlabor221 | tanks speed is 25 units a second |
| 20:02.08 | [STC]creeperz | thnx |
| 20:02.09 | God-fearer | So what is the coolest map so far? |
| 20:02.10 | Patlabor221 | grav is 9.81 units |
| 20:02.17 | [STC]creeperz | *COUGH* MINE |
| 20:02.26 | dutchrai | No! Mine |
| 20:02.29 | dutchrai | :-) |
| 20:02.44 | dutchrai | 4 secs |
| 20:02.51 | Patlabor221 | then 100 units |
| 20:02.58 | Patlabor221 | you don't speed up when you jump |
| 20:02.59 | [STC]creeperz | SURE!! lol |
| 20:03.05 | dutchrai | hehe |
| 20:03.09 | [STC]creeperz | I'm a beginner map maker ok? |
| 20:03.11 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 20:03.25 | dutchrai | No problem... |
| 20:03.37 | dutchrai | Wanna enter the map make contest? |
| 20:03.54 | God-fearer | So when is the transformer mech warrior tank/sword/plane version going to be released? |
| 20:04.01 | [STC]creeperz | once its complete... how many can I enter? |
| 20:04.07 | dutchrai | 3 maps |
| 20:04.08 | Patlabor221 | wana try out my busted ass alpha version of BZE 1.6 |
| 20:04.24 | [STC]creeperz | 3 maps a person?! |
| 20:04.27 | dutchrai | Before Dec/31 |
| 20:04.30 | dutchrai | Per person |
| 20:04.31 | [STC]creeperz | I'll enter some |
| 20:04.35 | dutchrai | Tx.. |
| 20:04.49 | [STC]creeperz | like the TeaHouse |
| 20:04.53 | [STC]creeperz | and The Cube |
| 20:04.55 | dutchrai | Like that one |
| 20:05.02 | dutchrai | But must be a new map :-) |
| 20:05.03 | [STC]creeperz | huh? |
| 20:05.17 | Patlabor221 | you fix those funky teleporters in teahouse? |
| 20:05.19 | [STC]creeperz | You've played The TeaHouse? |
| 20:05.26 | dutchrai | Yup |
| 20:05.31 | dutchrai | It's on jzaun afterall |
| 20:05.39 | [STC]creeperz | yea... lol |
| 20:05.45 | [STC]creeperz | when was it up? |
| 20:05.51 | dutchrai | Dunno..checking |
| 20:06.15 | [STC]creeperz | Patlabor221: are you sure you didn't play The Cube? |
| 20:06.17 | God-fearer | Ill put it up right now if you want ... |
| 20:06.24 | dutchrai | No date..but very recently |
| 20:06.41 | Patlabor221 | no you sent me the map, man |
| 20:06.43 | [STC]creeperz | where does it show that info at? |
| 20:06.48 | [STC]creeperz | I did?! |
| 20:06.56 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:07.01 | [STC]creeperz | when? |
| 20:07.05 | [STC]creeperz | how? |
| 20:07.08 | [STC]creeperz | email? |
| 20:07.08 | dutchrai | Well is does say: The Cube (incomplete) |
| 20:07.09 | Patlabor221 | e-mail |
| 20:07.35 | Patlabor221 | you had TP's that had an Y scale of 0 |
| 20:07.37 | [STC]creeperz | yea, it just shows that the cube isn't finished, it's just a preview |
| 20:07.42 | [STC]creeperz | oh yea |
| 20:07.52 | God-fearer | What is the address for the jzuan site? |
| 20:08.01 | dutchrai | stats.bzflag.org |
| 20:08.04 | [STC]creeperz | stats.bzflag.org |
| 20:08.12 | dutchrai | Me first! |
| 20:08.19 | dutchrai | lol |
| 20:08.26 | [STC]creeperz | how did they get a subdomain from BZFlag anyway?! lol |
| 20:08.35 | dutchrai | Ask.. |
| 20:08.37 | Patlabor221 | ask |
| 20:08.55 | [STC]creeperz | whom do I ask? |
| 20:08.58 | Patlabor221 | Tim gave me bzedit.bzflag.org |
| 20:09.02 | Patlabor221 | but it won't work |
| 20:09.03 | Patlabor221 | bzflag |
| 20:09.11 | [STC]creeperz | aww!! lol |
| 20:09.17 | [STC]creeperz | u know tim riker? |
| 20:09.27 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 20:09.34 | Patlabor221 | well I've never meet him |
| 20:09.51 | [STC]creeperz | oh |
| 20:10.00 | Patlabor221 | but I talk to him here on ocasion |
| 20:10.07 | dutchrai | Here's his pic: |
| 20:10.09 | dutchrai | http://rikers.org/ |
| 20:10.16 | [STC]creeperz | really? he's on here once in a while? |
| 20:10.22 | Patlabor221 | he's on here now |
| 20:10.31 | [STC]creeperz | I've seen his pic |
| 20:11.08 | [STC]creeperz | I am running from site |
| 20:11.14 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 20:11.18 | [STC]creeperz | ohhh |
| 20:11.22 | Patlabor221 | use the one you downloaded |
| 20:11.26 | [STC]creeperz | whats CTCP anyway? |
| 20:11.35 | Patlabor221 | it tells me ALLLLLLLL about you. |
| 20:11.43 | [STC]creeperz | oh |
| 20:11.44 | [STC]creeperz | ok? |
| 20:11.52 | [STC]creeperz | what does it say? |
| 20:12.01 | Patlabor221 | that you were using the web interface |
| 20:12.06 | Patlabor221 | use a real client |
| 20:12.12 | [STC]creeperz | oh ok lol |
| 20:12.32 | [STC]creeperz | if yu ask me, the ops aren't that much help! |
| 20:13.05 | Patlabor221 | where here? |
| 20:13.07 | dutchrai | They like to hover |
| 20:13.10 | [STC]creeperz | yea |
| 20:13.12 | [STC]creeperz | oh |
| 20:13.15 | Patlabor221 | help how |
| 20:13.15 | dutchrai | ghost..whatever |
| 20:13.16 | [STC]creeperz | wow |
| 20:13.36 | [STC]creeperz | 5 of em and they don't do a damn thing? |
| 20:13.38 | Patlabor221 | Tim's usauly busy, cap is having dinner |
| 20:13.41 | [STC]creeperz | thats cool |
| 20:13.45 | Patlabor221 | chelstal is proalby sleeping |
| 20:13.47 | [STC]creeperz | oh |
| 20:13.52 | Patlabor221 | and chanserv and ibot are bots |
| 20:13.56 | [STC]creeperz | Which one is tim? |
| 20:14.02 | Patlabor221 | ibot: who is your daddy? |
| 20:14.03 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 20:14.07 | Patlabor221 | damn right |
| 20:14.10 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag |
| 20:14.18 | [STC]creeperz | huh?! |
| 20:14.25 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag is Tim |
| 20:14.31 | [STC]creeperz | cool |
| 20:14.36 | Patlabor221 | Ibot is a bot |
| 20:14.37 | | Patlabor221: are you smoking crack? |
| 20:14.38 | [STC]creeperz | and is doing what? |
| 20:14.50 | Patlabor221 | it's just a bot |
| 20:14.51 | [STC]creeperz | crack? where? who?! |
| 20:14.54 | [STC]creeperz | oh lol |
| 20:14.59 | [STC]creeperz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.00 | Patlabor221 | ~lart [stc]creeper |
| 20:15.16 | Patlabor221 | ~version |
| 20:15.16 | | Patlabor221: no idea |
| 20:15.23 | Patlabor221 | ~info |
| 20:15.28 | [STC]creeperz | ~info |
| 20:15.31 | [STC]creeperz | what? |
| 20:15.42 | Patlabor221 | it stil needs some work |
| 20:15.49 | Patlabor221 | it's an bot that can do stuff |
| 20:15.54 | Patlabor221 | ~seen BZFlag |
| 20:15.54 | | bzflag is currently on #uclibc (3h 2m 20s) #tuxscreen (3h 2m 20s) #zaurus (3h 2m 20s) #handhelds.org (3h 2m 20s) #utah (3h 2m 20s) #bzflag (3h 2m 20s) #openzaurus (3h 2m 20s) #psilinux (3h 2m 20s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 3h 1m 25s |
| 20:16.01 | *** join/#bzflag God-fearer (~181bcb62@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 20:16.14 | [STC]creeperz | ~lart god-fearer |
| 20:16.16 | [STC]creeperz | lol? |
| 20:16.20 | [STC]creeperz | LOL!! |
| 20:16.24 | [STC]creeperz | OMG!! |
| 20:16.29 | [STC]creeperz | that's funny!! |
| 20:16.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh it's not that funny |
| 20:16.36 | [STC]creeperz | why not? |
| 20:16.42 | Patlabor221 | it gets old fast |
| 20:16.46 | [STC]creeperz | yea |
| 20:16.48 | [STC]creeperz | ... |
| 20:16.58 | [STC]creeperz | can the bot kick me though? |
| 20:17.05 | God-fearer | ~lart creeperz |
| 20:17.12 | Patlabor221 | it's an op so yes |
| 20:17.17 | [STC]creeperz | ~lart me! |
| 20:17.43 | [STC]creeperz | ohhh, automatically? |
| 20:17.52 | Patlabor221 | I don't think so |
| 20:17.59 | [STC]creeperz | oh ok lol |
| 20:18.01 | God-fearer | So which ones appear to be some of the best thought out world maps? |
| 20:18.03 | Patlabor221 | but cap will if your an ass |
| 20:18.05 | [STC]creeperz | ~lart pat |
| 20:18.19 | [STC]creeperz | sorry! lol |
| 20:18.47 | [STC]creeperz | cap is the bom though! |
| 20:19.04 | Patlabor221 | cap is cap |
| 20:19.33 | [STC]creeperz | ook, obviously you are on crack! lol |
| 20:21.02 | dutchrai | ~lart [STC]creeperz |
| 20:21.29 | Patlabor221 | ouch |
| 20:21.33 | dutchrai | does that hurt? |
| 20:21.49 | Patlabor221 | soudns like it does |
| 20:22.00 | dutchrai | wouldnt want it to be me |
| 20:29.01 | [STC]creeperz | ~lart Patlabor221 |
| 20:29.15 | [STC]creeperz | huh? |
| 20:29.17 | [STC]creeperz | lo |
| 20:29.20 | [STC]creeperz | lol* |
| 20:31.23 | Patlabor221 | laughed himself to death |
| 20:37.33 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d5113212.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:43.39 | sussudio | is there any way to make bzflag go through alsa? |
| 20:43.56 | scanline | a cheese grater, a paperclip, and some rubber pants |
| 20:44.59 | Patlabor221 | alsa? |
| 20:45.11 | scanline | but I already have plenty of cardboard socks! |
| 20:45.49 | Patlabor221 | ahhh that's what that was in the FMOD docs |
| 20:46.03 | sussudio | wtf is fmod |
| 20:46.26 | Patlabor221 | the library that is the core of my SoundManager |
| 20:46.47 | sussudio | so does it want to play with alsa or not |
| 20:46.59 | Patlabor221 | it has that as an option yeah |
| 20:47.10 | Patlabor221 | me and cap were talking about hooking it into bzflag |
| 20:47.22 | Patlabor221 | but we don't know if tim will go for the liscense |
| 20:47.37 | sussudio | er? |
| 20:47.41 | sussudio | what license |
| 20:47.47 | Patlabor221 | for FMod |
| 20:47.49 | Patlabor221 | it's free |
| 20:47.54 | Patlabor221 | but it's not opensource |
| 20:48.01 | sussudio | hm. |
| 20:48.06 | Patlabor221 | so we may do an Open AL back end for it |
| 20:48.09 | scanline | is it one of those "free for noncommercial use' things? |
| 20:48.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah, |
| 20:48.46 | Patlabor221 | like 100 for shareware |
| 20:48.54 | Patlabor221 | and like 250 for full retail |
| 20:48.58 | Patlabor221 | realy reasonable |
| 20:51.42 | Patlabor221 | and it' works on windows, lin, and Mac |
| 20:52.42 | Doughecka | bwuahaha |
| 20:52.51 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 20:52.51 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 20:52.51 | Patlabor221 | oh god he's a wake |
| 20:53.07 | Patlabor221 | level 4 of what? |
| 20:53.09 | Doughecka | its only 10 |
| 20:53.12 | Doughecka | wulfram |
| 20:53.34 | Doughecka | neat way of keeping newbys out of advanced servers |
| 20:53.49 | Doughecka | you have to go through levels to get to the "real" servers |
| 20:53.53 | Patlabor221 | yah |
| 20:53.57 | Patlabor221 | it's subspace logic |
| 20:54.02 | Doughecka | er, server |
| 20:54.06 | Doughecka | oh? |
| 20:54.09 | Patlabor221 | that's how I wanted to do it for BZA |
| 20:54.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:54.15 | Doughecka | hmm |
| 20:54.18 | Doughecka | I wouldnt mind |
| 20:54.32 | Doughecka | would be nice to weed out all the newbys |
| 20:54.44 | Patlabor221 | you had to score at least 500 buonty in "alpah zone" before you could get to the other servers |
| 20:54.50 | Doughecka | ah |
| 20:54.54 | Doughecka | neat |
| 20:55.07 | Patlabor221 | and you realy had to join a leauge |
| 20:55.14 | Doughecka | kill enemy missiles that are going after you or your team mates. hit 'i' for incoming to target them. Fire at them with your autocannon. |
| 20:55.14 | Doughecka | Your kill ratio must be 1.5 or higher |
| 20:55.14 | Doughecka | you must have at least 4 kills before you die |
| 20:55.14 | Doughecka | Stay in the game for a while and be active -- otherwise it won't count. |
| 20:55.14 | Doughecka | Your in-game score must be at least 500 |
| 20:55.27 | Doughecka | hmm, leagues... |
| 20:55.33 | Patlabor221 | and a team before you gould get onto leauge servers |
| 20:55.50 | Patlabor221 | and they had real live refs with admin privs |
| 20:55.55 | Doughecka | same here |
| 20:55.56 | Patlabor221 | it was cool |
| 20:56.00 | Doughecka | they have trainers |
| 20:56.08 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 20:56.20 | Patlabor221 | how many games can a single server run? |
| 20:56.32 | Patlabor221 | in SS servers had "rooms" |
| 20:56.34 | Doughecka | there is no "server" |
| 20:56.41 | Doughecka | you cant start a server |
| 20:56.48 | Patlabor221 | you couldn't in SS ether |
| 20:56.50 | Doughecka | its all online |
| 20:56.54 | Patlabor221 | yes I know |
| 20:56.57 | Patlabor221 | it's still a server |
| 20:57.05 | Doughecka | http://wulfram.com/server_info.php |
| 20:57.19 | Patlabor221 | in SS there was a server called like "Warzone" |
| 20:57.20 | Doughecka | ah well... level 5 here I come |
| 20:57.26 | Doughecka | oh? |
| 20:57.27 | Patlabor221 | and it would run a number of "rooms" |
| 20:57.32 | Doughecka | ooh |
| 20:57.36 | Doughecka | nothing like that here |
| 20:57.41 | Patlabor221 | basiicly spawning more rooms the more people there were |
| 20:57.46 | Doughecka | lick |
| 20:57.47 | Doughecka | slick |
| 20:57.48 | Patlabor221 | and you could hop rooms |
| 20:57.56 | Patlabor221 | so you could play with your friends |
| 20:57.56 | Doughecka | SS? |
| 20:58.10 | Patlabor221 | or start your own pasword protcted room |
| 20:58.12 | Patlabor221 | subSpace |
| 20:58.16 | Doughecka | oh |
| 20:58.18 | Doughecka | free? |
| 20:58.20 | Patlabor221 | for leauge matches |
| 20:58.24 | Doughecka | yea |
| 20:58.27 | Patlabor221 | initaly it was |
| 20:58.30 | Doughecka | they have something like that |
| 20:58.32 | Patlabor221 | then it went comercal |
| 20:58.35 | Patlabor221 | then it went free |
| 20:58.40 | Doughecka | oh? |
| 20:58.55 | Doughecka | grr, there website is down |
| 20:58.59 | Patlabor221 | for leauge matches the ref would make the room for just the game |
| 20:59.07 | Patlabor221 | subspace HQ |
| 20:59.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:59.17 | Doughecka | down? |
| 20:59.31 | Patlabor221 | I doin't know |
| 21:00.06 | Patlabor221 | it is only a 2d game |
| 21:00.10 | Patlabor221 | rather old |
| 21:00.11 | Doughecka | looks like a fun game... too bad every server is down |
| 21:00.20 | Doughecka | http://warroom.shanky.com/ |
| 21:00.39 | Patlabor221 | that game on the station game "cosmic rift" |
| 21:00.45 | Patlabor221 | it's basicly an update |
| 21:00.52 | Doughecka | hm |
| 21:00.55 | Patlabor221 | Tims friend made it |
| 21:00.56 | Doughecka | k |
| 21:00.59 | Patlabor221 | and the origonal |
| 21:01.00 | Doughecka | cool |
| 21:01.02 | Patlabor221 | and infantry |
| 21:01.13 | Doughecka | slick |
| 21:08.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh they changed the name of the game |
| 21:08.36 | Patlabor221 | Continuum |
| 21:08.45 | Patlabor221 | I have the installer for it if you want it doug. |
| 21:15.55 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d5113212.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 21:18.36 | Doughecka | ok |
| 21:18.38 | Doughecka | DCC? |
| 21:19.17 | Doughecka | this will run on my laptop |
| 21:19.21 | Doughecka | ok |
| 21:19.23 | Doughecka | bed time |
| 21:20.09 | Patlabor221 | it's 2d |
| 21:20.19 | Patlabor221 | I can't dcc here |
| 21:20.26 | Patlabor221 | I'll post it on FTP when I get home |
| 21:27.21 | sussudio | bad map. bad. |
| 21:27.22 | sussudio | teahouse bad. |
| 21:30.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah it was funky |
| 21:30.58 | sussudio | make spirals look like a masterpiece |
| 21:31.31 | Patlabor221 | and the better I make the editor, the more people that can use it :( |
| 21:31.42 | sussudio | :-P |
| 21:31.56 | Patlabor221 | I should make it ask you to solv a polynomial before it'll make a new map |
| 21:37.55 | *** join/#bzflag [STC]creeperz (~4021f14a@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 21:38.08 | [STC]creeperz | oopz, how high is a falsewall? |
| 21:38.13 | [STC]creeperz | ne1? |
| 21:38.22 | Patlabor221 | under 1.5 |
| 21:38.28 | [STC]creeperz | huh? |
| 21:38.40 | [STC]creeperz | make it float at under 1.5? |
| 21:38.41 | captain_proton | bad scanline! |
| 21:38.47 | [STC]creeperz | huh? |
| 21:38.48 | captain_proton | making more references to cardboard socks |
| 21:38.50 | Patlabor221 | of it's under 1.5 high, you can make shoot over it |
| 21:39.04 | [STC]creeperz | no no no... let me rephrase... |
| 21:39.06 | Patlabor221 | scanline roxors the soxrs |
| 21:39.31 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: did you see his latest shizint? |
| 21:39.42 | [STC]creeperz | ok, the Z position, what do I set it to so that tanks can go in and shoot out, but tanks can't shoot back through...? |
| 21:39.51 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: whose? |
| 21:39.57 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: scanline |
| 21:40.18 | Patlabor221 | creeper what do you mean in? |
| 21:40.59 | Patlabor221 | http://stats.bzflag.org/devel.php |
| 21:41.05 | [STC]creeperz | A tank can go in the block, and can shoot outside, |
| 21:41.08 | [STC]creeperz | thnx |
| 21:41.15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ah, his gl-embedding stuff |
| 21:41.15 | Patlabor221 | eww, in the block |
| 21:41.16 | Patlabor221 | nasty |
| 21:41.21 | scanline | captain_proton: eh? |
| 21:41.27 | [STC]creeperz | thnx again! |
| 21:41.31 | scanline | captain_proton: oh |
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| 21:41.34 | scanline | yep :) |
| 21:41.34 | [STC]creeperz | LOL!! |
| 21:41.35 | Patlabor221 | why woudl you want to go in the box? |
| 21:41.43 | [STC]creeperz | ~lart Pat |
| 21:41.43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: very nasty, makes the person inside nearly invincible |
| 21:41.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:41.53 | Patlabor221 | I am thinking we shoul fix that |
| 21:41.58 | [STC]creeperz | lol |
| 21:42.06 | [STC]creeperz | thats hilarious!! |
| 21:42.24 | [STC]creeperz | Hey! Widget! HEADS UP!... |
| 21:42.30 | [STC]creeperz | ~lart Widget |
| 21:42.38 | [STC]creeperz | I g2g |
| 21:42.41 | Patlabor221 | you sir should calm down |
| 21:42.42 | [STC]creeperz | LMAO!! |
| 21:42.52 | sussudio | knock it off |
| 21:42.52 | Patlabor221 | realy |
| 21:42.56 | [STC]creeperz | ok |
| 21:43.04 | [STC]creeperz | Im gunna go |
| 21:43.11 | [STC]creeperz | l8er gang... |
| 21:43.17 | Patlabor221 | gang? |
| 21:43.25 | Patlabor221 | thought we were a quarum |
| 21:43.31 | [STC]creeperz | yea |
| 21:43.34 | captain_proton | no, but we are a quorum |
| 21:43.43 | [STC]creeperz | go for it! |
| 21:43.57 | [STC]creeperz | nuthin's holdin' yu back! |
| 21:44.07 | Patlabor221 | jzaun should change his "world developement" page to read " Bug expoitments" |
| 21:44.09 | captain_proton | [STC]creeperz: calm down |
| 21:44.20 | [STC]creeperz | huh? |
| 21:44.25 | [STC]creeperz | oh |
| 21:44.48 | Patlabor221 | all that suff is gonna get busted when we make it so that tanks can go up small steps |
| 21:45.03 | captain_proton | and when we have real collision detection |
| 21:45.06 | Patlabor221 | adn real 3d colisions |
| 21:45.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:45.33 | Patlabor221 | I mean I don't see a problem with flaging an object as shot transperant |
| 21:45.41 | Patlabor221 | or tank tansperant |
| 21:45.46 | Patlabor221 | but it should be a feature |
| 21:45.50 | Patlabor221 | not a funky thing |
| 21:47.49 | Patlabor221 | whoa |
| 21:47.49 | Patlabor221 | http://stats.bzflag.org/ethics.php |
| 21:47.57 | Patlabor221 | now that is a huge ass font |
| 21:52.39 | captain_proton | teehee |
| 21:52.41 | captain_proton | machine gun solo |
| 21:57.12 | scanline | damn, too much water in my pot :P |
| 21:58.11 | sussudio | use a bong, man |
| 21:58.18 | Patlabor221 | water the plants |
| 22:01.07 | captain_proton | scanline: is there a reason you poked me? |
| 22:01.20 | scanline | not really |
| 22:01.37 | captain_proton | ok |
| 22:01.37 | scanline | but I did manage to embed picogui in an opengl app successfully :) |
| 22:01.44 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=101 |
| 22:02.10 | captain_proton | so whats next? |
| 22:02.11 | scanline | I need to resurrect the texture font engine so the text will work in opengl mode again |
| 22:02.53 | scanline | The interface needs cleaning up too.. right now it's constructing requests by hand instead of using a client library |
| 22:03.25 | captain_proton | (ewe) |
| 22:03.51 | scanline | hey, it's just a simple test app.. didn't want to mess with cli_c until I knew it would work |
| 22:04.15 | scanline | actually, since jetstream is c++ we might as well go ahead and write cli_c++ :) |
| 22:04.49 | captain_proton | i'm busyish right now |
| 22:07.17 | captain_proton | grumble |
| 22:17.00 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@aden2-230-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
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| 22:30.10 | Patlabor221 | in the begining there was the groove |
| 22:30.18 | Patlabor221 | and from that groove |
| 22:30.32 | Patlabor221 | came the groove of all grooves. |
| 22:31.06 | scanline | groovy |
| 22:32.56 | Patlabor221 | reminds me, I should watch army of darkness again one of these days |
| 22:36.50 | sussudio | grr |
| 22:37.00 | sussudio | jzaun:5255 el crasho again |
| 22:37.40 | sussudio | i was just gonna kill noodle |
| 22:37.44 | sussudio | waaah |
| 22:40.32 | scanline | captain_proton: oh yeah.. someone mentioned that jetstream still lacks an input framework thingy |
| 22:40.38 | scanline | :) |
| 22:40.46 | captain_proton | scanline: you don't say |
| 22:41.16 | Patlabor221 | wonder who would have said that |
| 22:42.27 | scanline | hmm.. can c++ overload the -> operator? |
| 22:42.34 | captain_proton | how many buttons & how many joysticks should i enumerate events for? |
| 22:42.38 | captain_proton | scanline: yep |
| 22:42.43 | captain_proton | scanline: thats what STL iterators do |
| 22:42.49 | scanline | something like: |
| 22:42.50 | Patlabor221 | all of them :) |
| 22:42.59 | scanline | myWidget->property = value |
| 22:43.10 | scanline | but I'd want to get the property as an enum or a string |
| 22:43.11 | Patlabor221 | wonder how many windows enums |
| 22:43.38 | scanline | myWidget->PG_WP_FOO = blah; |
| 22:43.55 | scanline | but that just wouldn't look as nice |
| 22:45.49 | Patlabor221 | cap Windows does a max of 32 buttons in it's JOYCAPSEX stuff |
| 22:46.03 | Patlabor221 | or I should say JOYINFOEX |
| 22:46.04 | captain_proton | i'm gonna enumerate 5 buttons on each of 3 joysticks |
| 22:46.14 | Patlabor221 | since the first one looks dirty in all caps |
| 22:46.20 | Patlabor221 | I have one with 8 buttons |
| 22:46.30 | captain_proton | grumble |
| 22:46.36 | captain_proton | ok, i'll enum 8 buttons on 3 joysticks |
| 22:46.41 | Patlabor221 | I have the most fugged up input contoler MS ever made |
| 22:46.54 | scanline | why not just use a unsigned long as a bitfield, then you get 32 buttons? |
| 22:46.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:47.13 | Patlabor221 | oh he's doing them as keys |
| 22:47.13 | captain_proton | scanline: i will once i rewrite the event stuff |
| 22:47.26 | captain_proton | right now i'm trying to crowbar it into the BzfEvent structure |
| 22:47.33 | Patlabor221 | do 16 |
| 22:47.46 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: 16 buttons?! |
| 22:47.51 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 22:48.04 | Patlabor221 | game pads have a lot of them |
| 22:48.04 | captain_proton | i'll stick to 8 for now |
| 22:48.34 | captain_proton | mmmMMMmmm |
| 22:48.35 | captain_proton | gamepads |
| 22:48.53 | scanline | gotta love quality quotes from informed people: |
| 22:48.54 | scanline | <hcker2000> they should have used some thing other than picogui for the z |
| 22:48.54 | scanline | <scanline> ? |
| 22:48.54 | scanline | <hcker2000> like fulxbox |
| 22:48.54 | Patlabor221 | I have this |
| 22:48.55 | Patlabor221 | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/sidewinder/SWUpdate/DualS/default.asp |
| 22:49.50 | Patlabor221 | oh it's got 9 buttons |
| 22:50.26 | Patlabor221 | snes has what 8 buttons? |
| 22:50.45 | Patlabor221 | don't forget POV Hats cap :) |
| 22:52.51 | Patlabor221 | wonder if that can be used in bz :) |
| 22:53.47 | Patlabor221 | the handheld "orb" thing? |
| 22:53.52 | scanline | no, it was like a mouse, but with rotation sensors and buttons to sense pulling it upwards or pushing it down |
| 22:54.04 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 22:54.22 | scanline | forget what it was called |
| 22:54.29 | Patlabor221 | I swear this dual strike thing has to be the most scred up controler they ever made |
| 23:02.15 | scanline | you could use sprites for the tanks, blocks, and pyramids, and render the floor with mode 7! |
| 23:02.35 | Patlabor221 | ooooo mode 7 |
| 23:03.16 | scanline | and not one of them 'advance' thingies, the original! |
| 23:03.37 | scanline | 4k of ram is enough for bzflag, right? |
| 23:04.11 | Patlabor221 | the GBA with it's screen that is "the shinnyest thing in the known universe" |
| 23:04.17 | scanline | nah, TCP/IP over link cable |
| 23:04.38 | BZFlag | tcp/ip on a gameboy. that I'd like to see. |
| 23:04.50 | scanline | it's been done on smaller hardware |
| 23:05.02 | scanline | C64, PIC microcontrollers |
| 23:05.17 | scanline | smallest TCP/IP i've seen was the web server implemented in 256 words of code on an 8-pin pic |
| 23:08.49 | scanline | wow... I had homework assignments due yesterday and today, and both have been extended by a few days due to server problems |
| 23:09.40 | captain_proton | scanline: which classes? |
| 23:10.15 | scanline | OS and algorizhems |
| 23:10.25 | captain_proton | thats because of the cia problems today? |
| 23:10.36 | scanline | the OS class is |
| 23:11.02 | scanline | but now I have three big assignments all due friday |
| 23:11.10 | scanline | so maybe I'll work on this s2 engine :) |
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| 23:21.42 | captain_proton | p00f~! |
| 23:21.49 | captain_proton | i can fire shots off a joystick button |
| 23:22.22 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:22.37 | captain_proton | touching the joystick before the game starts makes it quit |
| 23:23.44 | Patlabor221 | ha |
| 23:24.13 | captain_proton | but once you've joined a server, motion on the stick is fine |
| 23:24.30 | Patlabor221 | just some clean up then |
| 23:35.49 | captain_proton | scanline: get yer ass over here |
| 23:37.44 | captain_proton | scanline: poke poke |
| 23:39.00 | *** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@209.195.250.173) |
| 23:52.47 | captain_proton | bwahaha |
| 23:53.10 | iluxa | ibot: ducati |
| 23:53.10 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 23:53.12 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 23:54.29 | scanline | bzflag would be even cooler if you could flatten pedestrians |
| 23:54.41 | iluxa | lol |
| 23:57.06 | Patlabor221 | well it's very very ugly but it works. http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/todo.html |
| 23:57.53 | scanline | captain_proton: are you planning on using cc++ for networking in jetstream>? |
| 23:58.09 | captain_proton | scanline: not sure |
| 23:58.14 | captain_proton | err |
| 23:58.14 | Patlabor221 | I don't think JS is going to be net is it? |
| 23:58.15 | captain_proton | wait |
| 23:58.19 | captain_proton | there's no net at all |
| 23:58.32 | scanline | well what about OS abstraction? |
