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04:27.04fiberchunkscaptain_proton: lurgyman: et al banned from linuxorbit -- was there any reason why? I can reverse those bans, if you'd like
04:28.16fiberchunkswho am I missing, scanline?
04:29.27fiberchunksand no, linuxorbit, as far as I know, is not a bzcop server
04:36.20Patlabor221cap said that they were given no real reason
04:39.06fiberchunkshrm...well, from what I've read -- I can unban if they give me ip's...let me know
04:40.01fiberchunksSpiff is complaining about it on my forum now -- and I've got a steadfast rule that no player arguments on a neutral forum -- handle it in private, if you can...
04:41.06Patlabor221I'm sure they will be back
04:41.24Patlabor221wheee my server shows up on the net and isn't laggy :)
04:42.29Patlabor221I hope the DNS entry has propigated everywhere
04:45.34fiberchunkshey Patlabor221, have you gotten a chance to check the forum out?  Just looking for advice, criticism, etc
04:45.56Patlabor221what forum? there are like 17 arnthere? :)
04:46.31fiberchunksheh, probably -- the one I just put up: http://bzbb.homelinux.org -- kind of a trial run from my box at home
04:46.40fiberchunksbut it's working quite nicely
04:47.07Patlabor221title area looks a bit large at the top
04:47.18Patlabor221the logo is small for that area
04:47.40Patlabor221it'd be nice if the BZFlag Centrum was at the same level as the logo
04:48.01captain_protonfiberchunks: anything with 128.138.*
04:48.08fiberchunksyeah -- still working on the logo - that thing is really just a place filler
04:48.21Patlabor221the color scheme is ok
04:48.22fiberchunkscaptain_proton: what was the crux of the problem?
04:50.16Patlabor221only other thing I can say "looks" wise is see if you can clean up the extra "dead" spaces that are between a lot of things
04:50.52fiberchunkssuch as?
04:51.13Patlabor221between the Login and "The time now is Sat Dec 07, 2002 4:49 am
04:51.13Patlabor221All times are GMT
04:51.14Patlabor221"
04:51.21Patlabor221and at the end
04:51.25Patlabor221where the legend is
04:51.33Patlabor221lot of space there
04:51.58Patlabor221and I'd move BZBOARD down to the last topic secion and mmake help the second item
04:51.59fiberchunksyou mean the center alignment? and the breaks between the forum indices and the legend -- compact the forum is the idea?
04:52.07Patlabor221vertical space
04:52.11fiberchunksah, gotcha
04:52.13Patlabor221yeah the breaks
04:52.33Patlabor221I'd go general, help,  dev, then board
04:52.43Patlabor221that's I think the order of most use
04:53.18fiberchunksgood enough for me .. done
04:53.43fiberchunksI'll work on the space issues later tonight -- thanks for your input :)
04:54.04Patlabor221sure
04:54.17Patlabor221jsut the old graphic desigin senses kicking in
04:55.19fiberchunkscaptain_proton: that range is not in the banlist for linuxorbit -- so you should be good to go :)
04:56.09fiberchunksPatlabor221: the template structure of the app I use is a bit bizarre, and hard on the eyes...just getting things laid out the way I want 'em without breaking stuff is a hassle :\
04:56.31Patlabor221what is running the board?
04:56.49Patlabor221ahhh I see PHPBB
04:57.15Patlabor221the only thing I see thats realy odd is the logo
04:57.25Patlabor221for all that space it just crys out to be larger
05:03.19fiberchunksyeah -- I'm working on a banner with another guy to slap up there -- just modified the layout recently, and just started hacking on the templates a couple of days ago -- I'm a complete n00b when it comes to php boards
05:04.17fiberchunksyeah, so far, I really like the forum software -- simple to use and administer - except for this irritating 'enable gzip compression' bug, that only seems to occur with netscape ilk browsers (moz, galeon, etc)
05:13.20Patlabor221I can get you a picure of the tank model in any positon if you need it
05:14.15fiberchunksoh, that would be absolutely lovely!  I would greatly appreciate that -- anything special besides a standard image viewer to look at it with (i.e. is it 3d or just jpg/gif/png, etc
05:20.13Patlabor221I have the model
05:20.21Patlabor221I can send you the model if you want
05:21.34fiberchunksnot exactly sure what that means, or how I can read it (not a 3d guy)...as long as I can view it in gimp, that would be perfect, and I appreciate it much! :)
05:27.14Patlabor221gimp dosn't do 3d stuff
05:27.44Patlabor221just tell me what postion you want it in and I can take a picture of it
05:29.33Patlabor221and what color
05:29.34fiberchunkshow bout -- left side, right side, right/left side 30 deg offset, top (like in ob mode, about 30 off earth - looking down
05:29.47fiberchunksrogue and blue, if you don't mind
05:29.49Patlabor221I can make those tomrow
05:29.51Patlabor221sure
05:30.05fiberchunkswant my email? bzbb-admin@snet.net
05:30.12Patlabor221k
05:30.17fiberchunksthanks again Patlabor221, really appreciate it
05:30.44Patlabor221sure
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05:57.14fiberchunksheya jzaun...how's it goin?
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06:17.55*** topic/#bzflag is Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e8 (???) || http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th || someone set us up the glx
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06:21.37fiberchunksnp...I'm working like mad on this new board -- exhausting stuff, may have to stop for a bit here soon
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06:49.28*** topic/#bzflag is Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e8 (???) || http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th || someone set us up the glx
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06:57.55captain_protonvogon: is that a rigid-body simulation lib?
06:58.54vogoncaptain_proton: yes.
06:59.14vogonhttp://q12.org/ode
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07:06.57vogonblargh.
07:08.00vogonnothing ticks me off more than people who try to compile their C++ code with gcc, and not g++.
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08:08.16MrApathyCreamanything goin' on tonite?
08:09.09vogonnot much.
08:11.01MrApathyCreamTim's home preparin' i guess ;)
08:19.17vogonwoo.
08:19.22vogon16 bugs just got closed.
08:19.33MrApathyCreamthey keep comin!
08:19.36vogonor 16 feature/support requests.
08:19.49vogonhahah.
08:22.41MrApathyCreamBZFlag: Get my mail about man2html?
08:31.52BZFlagMrApathyCream: yep. have not tried it yet.
08:31.58MrApathyCreamk
08:32.01BZFlagno license included.
08:32.12BZFlagmight email the author and see if he cares.
08:32.37BZFlagif you can get it working in the windows build, feel free to add it to cvs. under misc/ perhaps?
08:34.53MrApathyCreamadd it before or after author checking?
08:37.18BZFlageither is fine as long as we do check. it can be removed if there are issues.
08:37.24BZFlagcopy me on the email k?
08:37.41BZFlaganyone confirm or deny SIGINT under non console win32 ?
08:40.36MrApathyCreamit would appear that man2html is widely available, here's a version on sf
08:40.37MrApathyCreamhttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3593
08:40.39MrApathyCreamtrying this one
08:44.47BZFlaghttp://freshmeat.net/projects/man2html/?topic_id=905 claims GPL
08:49.34BZFlaghttp://www.w3.org/Tools/nroff.txt
08:55.23BZFlagnite. interview tomorrow. ;-) or rather later today. In 12 hours
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10:18.45MrApathyCreamany win32 cvs builders out there?
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10:41.48MrApathyCream<Dervish>: I'm more of a BZFlag tinkerer and poker than a developer, but I do have some future plans to help. I recently made a choice to re-join the community, and continue work on my MapEd app to design maps.
10:42.45captain_protonMrApathyCream: where do you see that?
10:43.57MrApathyCreamhttp://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=31
10:46.07captain_proton<Dervish>: Some people can be soooo stupid, especially arrogant newbies. I was called a "cheat" by "Gamma Radio"
10:46.19captain_protonummmm, does he realize that gamma predates him by about 2 years?
10:46.58MrApathyCreamheh
10:47.03MrApathyCreamthat he does
10:49.59MrApathyCreamiiieye
10:50.04MrApathyCream<Dervish>It's so nice to see such good and respectful people in the BZFlag community now. Just want to let you know that you guys are great. Dutchrai and Fiberchunk's efforts here helped me recover and re-join the community (not to mention countless others who showed compassion towards me).
10:50.35captain_protonwhen did dervish ever leave the community?
10:50.59captain_protonhe got angry, said he was leaving, then moved to posting on sf instead of ez/laz
10:52.49MrApathyCreami think we're just not sensitive enough ;)
10:54.28captain_protoncould be
10:54.36MrApathyCreamI guess BZFlag isn't handing happy pengiun a cd tomorrow, eh?
10:56.12captain_protondunno, i'm sure he'll at least tell the world that e8 is releasing
10:56.33captain_protonwe shall have to have him save us a transcript/copy of his answers
11:00.14MrApathyCreamyup
11:00.41MrApathyCream"and another thing, captain_proton and MrApathyCream just drive me nuts", riker added.
11:01.03vogonwhoo.
11:01.14vogonI don't drive him nuts. woohoo.
11:02.56MrApathyCreamibot, vogon_jeltz?
11:02.58CRAZY 1.8 GUY MIA
11:03.07MrApathyCreamheh
11:03.22vogonhahaha.
11:03.56MrApathyCreammmmm, dunno, they play in mine
11:04.12vogonyou're lying.
11:04.30MrApathyCreamyes you caught me, just regular bullets, sw, and gm
11:06.56vogonthe question being, should I submit the OpenAL code in the form of a patch, or not?
11:07.11vogon(IOW, not at all.)
11:08.47vogonmeh. I'll run a cvs diff later.
11:08.53MrApathyCreamheh
11:11.12captain_protonhrmph
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11:18.04vogonMr. Cream of Apathy.
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11:26.14vogoncaptain_proton: I'd be in, if I could contribute something.
11:32.13captain_protonhmm
11:32.41captain_protoncare to write a joined-body rigid physics engine? :)
11:34.36sussudioread spiffy's rant yet?
11:34.45captain_protonwhere?
11:34.49sussudiojzaun
11:35.01sussudiohttp://jzaun.com/bzflag2/news.php
11:37.13captain_protonbedtime
11:37.52sussudio~lart stupid tv channel for moving SG1 to the kiddie hour
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11:58.21Sniper50Hola
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12:00.49vogoncaptain_proton: hah.
12:00.55vogoncaptain_proton: can't ODE serve that purpose?
12:02.15scanlineODE?
12:02.36vogonOpen Dynamics Engine.
12:02.39vogonhttp://q12.org/ode
12:02.40scanlineahh
12:03.58vogonscanline: can I at least get the jetstream code so that I can see if I can add anything?
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12:43.51strayerhi :)
12:45.52bzgirlhi strayer
13:37.16strayerbzgirl: now i know, why it's good that U R a 'cop' :)
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15:58.25RedBaronAnybody home?
15:58.34bzdougno
15:58.38RedBarongood
15:59.04RedBaronso, how is the tank dancing going?
15:59.23bzdoug:)
15:59.45RedBaronhow long have you been playing?
16:01.26bzdoughmm
16:02.26Chestalhi Baron
16:14.27bzdoughttp://www.ibutton.com/TINI/index.html
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16:52.17bzdoug'lo
16:52.24Patlabor221hello
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16:58.03vogonBZF.
16:58.21*** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th || someone set us up the glx
16:58.51*** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th
17:00.38Patlabor221don't like the GLX? :)
17:01.02BZFlagjust cleaning house before the interview today.
17:01.18Patlabor221best shirt and tie, and all that?
17:01.50BZFlagwell, that's not likely. "What? A Web Cam?!?" ;-)
17:02.04Patlabor221virtual tie then
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17:02.34BZFlagheh
17:02.59vogonbleh.
17:03.14vogonanyone know how to change vi's C comment syn highlighting color?
17:03.27snykecolorscheme I think
17:03.33snykebut I don't know exactly
17:03.36vogonpreferably to something more readable on black than navy blue?
17:03.47snykeI know that it has to do with "colorscheme" :)
17:03.51vogonheh.
17:04.05Chestali can tell you how to do it in fte :-)
17:04.41snykehi BZFlag btw!
17:04.50vogonChestal: FTE > vim except for one thing.
17:05.09vogonChestal: it doesn't recognize .S as the extension for assembly to be run through the C preprocessor.
17:05.18vogonand I don't want to hack something up to make it do so.
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17:06.41strayer:)
17:07.01jzaunBFlag: how would you like to run a listserver for BZCs?
17:08.27BZFlagBZCs?
17:09.39jzaunBZCops
17:09.49jzaunthey are asking for one
17:09.57jzaunand I don't have the resourses to run one
17:10.09sussudiojzaun: launching maps still doesnt work
17:10.23jzaunsussudio: still working on it
17:10.26sussudiok
17:10.34jzaunPHP update changed alot of things wich broak some things
17:10.37Patlabor221jzuan I will be seting up a list server for BZE
17:10.45Patlabor221I can set you up one for cops too
17:11.01jzaunPatlabor221: That would be wonderful
17:11.14Patlabor221now that I have a perma machine and a domainfor it
17:11.57jzaunPatlabor221: It would help alot, give them a place to talk and hack things out
17:12.18jzaunPatlabor221: I have some things I want to talk to them all about, but there is no way to do that currently
17:12.37Patlabor221I will be installing the mailserver this weekend
17:12.45Patlabor221then I can just set you up with an list admin acount
17:12.56Patlabor221it's suposed to be all web admintriable
17:13.13BZFlagjzaun: mailing list? we can add a closed list to SF if you like.
17:13.14jzaunPatlabor221: thats great
17:13.46jzaunBZFlag: wither way, SF or Patlabor221. I would like it closed to just BZCops though
17:14.03jzaunor just BZCops post, others read type thing
17:14.04BZFlagPatlabor221: same goes for BZE, they are easy to add. Don't have to be a project admin to be a list admin.
17:14.25Patlabor221I just don't quite like SF's lists
17:14.54BZFlagPatlabor221: people would get all the lists on one page there though.
17:15.38Patlabor221imail supports weblogs too
17:15.50Patlabor221but you could get a SF one right now
17:15.54Patlabor221since I dn't have this set up
17:17.52jzaunBZFlag: I think I'll take the BZC list from you... no offence Patlabor221. I like the fact that they are all from one place
17:17.52bzdougwhat interview?
17:18.04jzaunSorry, modem hickuped... missed what was said from my last message
17:18.06Patlabor221ohh sure, I was just offering
17:18.24Patlabor221<bzdoug> what interview?
17:18.26Patlabor221that's it
17:18.42Patlabor221I have to set up my mailserver for other reasons anyway
17:18.43bzdoug?
17:18.50Patlabor221so I'll do the BZE one on my server
17:19.22jzaunBZFlag: if you have to do anything with my SF account to add the BZC list, my account name is jzaun
17:19.25BZFlagbzdoug: #gametome at 21:00 GMT
17:19.36bzdougBZFlag: cool
17:19.40*** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th 21:00 GMT
17:21.17bzdougBZFlag: well, thats it for all the questions... thanks!
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17:22.06BZFlagjzaun: added you to the project. I thought I had before, sorry. you are a world file admin etc.
17:22.20BZFlagbzdoug: patches welcome.
17:22.56jzaunBZFlag: Cool.... I'll have to find a way to link the two databases together...
17:23.20jzaunBZFlag: would be nice that if they submit to s.b.o that the get submited to sf too
17:24.04bzdougPatlabor221: in windows?
17:24.04bzdoug:)
17:24.19Patlabor221I mean the code, not the dif
17:24.22bzdougjzaun: why not use yahoo groups?
17:24.26bzdougPatlabor221: oh
17:24.32BZFlagjzaun: I created a bzflag-cops list, it'll take a few hours to get setup. I'll pick an admin password and mail it to you. k?
17:24.37jzaunbzdoug: yahoo... umm.... sucks
17:24.42bzdougjzaun: :P
17:25.00jzaunI would use google groups if they wxisted :-)
17:25.15bzdoughehe
17:25.23bzdouggoogle groups are newsgroups
17:25.26bzdougright?
17:25.30jzaunyah
17:27.30bzdougok everybody! at 20:55 GMT, start acting busy, discusing things and stuff
17:27.59Chestalhmm, this team grab sound is very subtle
17:28.12Chestalit originates from the positin of the flag, is that wanted?
17:28.24bzdougChestal: why not?
17:28.54BZFlagChestal: that sounds useful. then you can hear where to attack. ;-)
17:29.19Chestalwell, the warning sound is local I think
17:29.25Chestalwhen your flag is grabbed
17:29.38Chestalwhen your teammate grabs an enmy flag, you get a distant ping sound
17:30.17BZFlagcrs said he'd try to be here for the interview.
17:30.32bzdougBZFlag: oh neat
17:30.40Chestaloh, is he well? Haven't "seen" him for ages
17:30.57BZFlagChestal: oh yeah... so you know who to guard, not attack. /me was almost a tk
17:31.16bzdougteamgrab.wav should be stereo
17:33.05Patlabor221sterio on a positional sound?
17:33.13bzdougsure
17:33.22bzdoughave it echo off buildings and stuff
17:33.29Patlabor221tha'ts not sterio
17:33.37bzdougshould be
17:33.49Patlabor221if it's positonal, it will already be placed on the proper side
17:33.56bzdougah
17:34.06Chestalhmm, dutchrai's shell shock logo reminds me of Nazi symbolism :-), maybe I am just too conditioned in that area
17:34.20bzdoughum
17:34.34Patlabor221I thought that too
17:34.42sussudionazi's are bad, mkay?
17:35.27jzaunvery bad
17:35.41bzdougvery very bad
17:37.24sussudiodont want any weirdos in here
17:37.27sussudio*cough*
17:37.42bzdoug~seen xxx
17:37.44bzdoug: i haven't seen 'xxx'
17:37.48bzdoughm
17:38.06*** part/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d51132eb.cable.wanadoo.nl)
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17:38.17sussudio!seen xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
17:38.24sussudiohm
17:38.25Patlabor221nooo for the love of god not him
17:38.26sussudio~seen xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
17:38.26sussudio: i haven't seen 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
17:38.35bzdoug~seen xxxxxxxxxxx
17:38.35i haven't seen 'xxxxxxxxxxx', bzdoug
17:38.40bzdoug!list
17:38.41bzdoug:P
17:38.48Patlabor221he keeps asking me stuff
17:38.55sussudiohe was in here yesterday
17:39.30sussudio~seen xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
17:39.31i haven't seen 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxx', sussudio
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17:39.34sussudio:-P
17:39.37Patlabor2221damn machine
17:39.45Patlabor2221yeah I know he was here yesterday
17:39.53bzdougoohh noooo , its 222!
17:40.02Patlabor2221he comes in, says "HI" in a /msg
17:40.17Patlabor2221then gets pissy and leaves when I don't respond in like 3 seconds
17:40.40sussudio+b *.aol.com would be good too
17:40.56sussudioskater3000blink: make me bzcop so i can kick people
17:41.04sussudio...
17:41.30BZFlagthe interview will be in #gametome, not here.
17:41.31Patlabor2221can just anyone post on stats.bzflag.org?
17:44.17sussudiowhat's the bzcop policy on offensive callsigns?
17:45.02bzgirli dont like them
17:45.12sussudio~noodleroni
17:45.18jzaunwarn/warn/kick/kickban
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17:45.25sussudio"white killin coon"
17:45.39bzgirlthats offensive imo
17:45.47sussudiorather
17:45.51Patlabor2221on more then one level
17:47.59jzaunok... I've added the BZCop menu item to sign up for the BZCop mailing list. I hop they all will..
17:48.17BZFlagI think it should be pointed out that cops only have authority where the server admin has granted it. We should write up a policy document someplace and list the sites that the cops admin. (at least for now).
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17:48.46BZFlagjzaun: I'll set it up shortly so that you can approve/deny membership. k?
17:48.50jzaunBZFlag: Thats a big reason I wantted the list... so we can work the documentation stuff out
17:48.59jzaunBZFlag: yah, thanks
17:49.38jzaunI would like to work out what you said, the ethics/rules, how to run a managed server etc.
17:50.12jzaunBZFlag: it would be very nice if there was a way for the -password <password> to be encrypted, would make life much more secure
17:51.38BZFlagbzfs should overwrite the command line in memory so it does not show up in ps etc.
17:52.16BZFlagbut taking it encrypted on the command line would just be a pain.
17:52.49BZFlagif they can read it, even encrypted, then it's crackable. the source is open after all.
17:53.02BZFlaga public/private key login is the way to go imho.
17:53.03Patlabor2221I would think it would be a easy change to let the server read it from a file
17:53.17Patlabor2221instead of from a command line
17:53.38BZFlagperhaps.
17:53.54Chestalwith the plethora of options we are having, it could be a good idea to switch to a config file in the future anyway
17:53.59bzgirlsorry, but why is it insecure from the commandline?
17:54.17BZFlagneed to convert all the bzfs options to long versions and then allow a config with all the options or --longname on the command line.
17:54.41bzdougbzgirl: most linux systems hold a history of all the commands entered in
17:54.55sussudio.bash_history
17:55.04BZFlagbzgirl: just more of a risk. folks cut and past the batch file they use, or ps -al etc shows it on unix.
17:55.23bzgirlahh
17:55.45jzaunBZFlag: my issue is a little more difficult... I'll /msg you in a sec. about it
17:55.54Chestalif we had the player registry, wewould no longer need passwords
17:56.08bzdougChestal: indeed
17:56.10BZFlagk. /me is watching the kids. so he comes at goes...
17:56.15sussudiolike this:
17:56.16sussudiocd bzflag
17:56.16sussudiocvs update
17:56.16sussudiomake
17:56.16sussudiomc
17:56.16sussudiols
17:57.45bzdougmc?
17:58.12sussudiomidnight commander :-|
17:58.19bzdougah
18:01.52BZFlagChestal: well players would need passwords or something in the registry.
18:04.09Chestalbzflag: certificates, yes
18:04.39Chestaleach serevr admin should be able to specify which players have privileges on his server
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18:07.44baikonurhi
18:07.56Patlabor2221how do you enter the password to admin a server from in game?
18:08.15bzdoug<PROTECTED>
18:09.56jzaunThat would require a user to register on each server, or have servers check a central registry
18:10.00jzaunwould it not/
18:10.10Chestalyes, central registry
18:10.30Chestalthis was all included in the karma plans
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18:11.11jzaunChestal: so whens it gonna be implimented? :-)
18:11.23jzaunChestal: would solve some issues I have with security
18:11.35jzaunChestal: and wouldn't require users to register on s.b.o
18:12.02Chestaljzaun: well, we should start by thinking about how to design it, feel free to begin :-)
18:12.54jzaunChestal: I was hoping you had it coded in a patch already ;-)
18:18.53sussudiohmm how about a patch that does random self-destructs if the callsign starts with [~T~]
18:20.19jzaun:-)
18:21.08jzaunwould be nice to have a -foul option that looks for not so nice words in messages and callsigns and auto-warns twice then auto-kicks then auto-bans :-)
18:21.35bzdougyes!
18:21.36bzdoug:)
18:25.39sussudioibot bzfquery 24.80.130.30
18:27.01Patlabor2221jzuan I just made a small change to BZFS that makes it read the password from a file, if there is one to read from
18:28.49jzaunPatlabor2221: that won't solve my problem, but thaks :-)
18:36.03jzaunok... question time
18:36.18jzaunwho here has looked at GGZ? http://ggz.sf.net
18:36.31bzdougme
18:37.01jzaunwhat about useing it?
18:37.49bzdoughow about gamespy?
18:37.49bzdoug:)
18:38.30jzaunis gamespy OS/GPLed and open to makeing changes for games?
18:38.49Patlabor2221GS is windows only
18:38.53bzdoug:)
18:39.16Patlabor2221does GGZ require an aditional install to run a server?
18:39.24jzaunggzd
18:39.39Patlabor2221it would need to be an option
18:39.48Patlabor2221since not everyone will want to install it
18:40.18jzaunI think bz should just pick one and use it...
18:40.23jzaunoptions in this respect are bad
18:40.33jzaunbecause you have multi-registries then
18:40.38Patlabor2221I think that stuff needs to be moved to the server first
18:41.01Patlabor2221well it should be an option to have your own closed database if you want
18:41.03jzaunthere should be one (1) registry BZF supports with the option to not use one and play like now
18:41.12jzaunbut not choices between 50 registries
18:41.18Patlabor2221what If I want to run my own private leauge?
18:41.25bzdougBUMMER!
18:41.27bzdoug:)
18:41.31jzaunno...
18:41.36Patlabor2221why not?
18:41.37jzauninstall the registry software
18:41.52baikonuradieds
18:42.04Patlabor2221so your saying that even if I want a LAN game I have to install this, that's stupid.
18:42.10jzaunno
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18:42.17jzaunjust don't use the registry at all then
18:42.26Patlabor2221that's what I meant by an option
18:42.27jzaunand play on a private server like you would now
18:42.57BZFlagthere was a version of bzfs/bzflag for ggz at one time.
18:43.17Patlabor2221what hapend to it?
18:43.19jzaunBZFlag: yah, but much has chenged in ggz
18:43.26BZFlagand in bz too.
18:43.40BZFlagthe bz/ggz did not handle udp right.
18:44.00jzaunstill a single option registry or not is what I would go for
18:44.10jzaunBZFlag: ggz supports upd now
18:44.37jzaunBZFlag: there is a tcp control connection and you can make as may upd connections you like outside of ggz
18:45.35jzaunthere are 2 reasons I mention GGZ - 1) I'm still a developer (not as much as I was, but that can change) and 2) why recreate the wheal just for BZF when it exists already
18:45.53Patlabor2221not all wheels fit the same cars
18:46.06bzdougbut you CAN lower it
18:46.09sussudiothey will with the right hammer
18:46.16Patlabor2221yeah then it runs like shit
18:46.23jzaunI would say if GZG has 80% or more of what we would need then work on it to make it fit BZ - as what we need others will need as well
18:46.59Patlabor2221then hook it up :)
18:47.01jzaunIf not GGZ then another but I would has to see a bzregistry app just for BZ
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18:47.21bzdoughum
18:47.26Patlabor2221I can do my file key thing if you want
18:47.32Patlabor2221and it would not take much time
18:47.41*** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ
18:47.50Patlabor2221even make you a crypter app
18:48.19jzaunI'm not very farmilar with the bzf code base... but if someone with knowledge gets me a list of what would be needed for a BZ registry I'll see is GGZ fits and or what needs added and or find another option.
18:48.45jzaunPatlabor2221: If its not in the main distro it will be too much work to make it waide spread
18:49.33snykehmm
18:51.06BZFlagit might work to make bzflag a ggz client for login
18:51.16jzaunBZFlag, captain_proton, Chestal: I figure you are the people who are in the know, whats the chances of getting the list from one or more of you?
18:51.21BZFlagand let is support the full ggz if it is installed.
18:52.03jzaunBZFlag: adding a "mini ggz client" to bzf wouldn't be hard
18:52.42bzdougdoes GZZ work on OS X/windows/linux?
18:52.45jzaunBZFlag: you could use ggzcore and about 50 lines of code in bzf or not use ggzcore and about 100 line of code for a mini client
18:53.16bzgirlhttp://ggz.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php?op=SSsFullShot&cid=34
18:53.35jzaunlinux and most unexes, bsd there is a windows client (that would be hard to add support for as I don't know the windows client code. osx is just unix so it shouldn't be hard to do
18:53.45bzdougk
18:53.57jzaunI would say a self contained ggz support within bzflag would be doable on all platforms
18:54.21bzdoughmm
18:54.32bzdougso this GZZ would work simaler to gamespy?
18:54.41bzdougwith chat?
18:54.45jzaunbzdoug: yes
18:54.58bzdougwould it be possible to setup rooms in GZZ?
18:55.03jzaunyes
18:55.05jzaunalready is
18:55.11bzdoughm
18:55.13jzaunroom chat, table chat
18:55.16jzaunuser accounts
18:55.23jzaunadmin levels
18:55.30jzaunranking
18:55.41jzaunPatlabor2221: good luck
18:55.42sussudiobut does it have bunnies?
18:55.48bzdougin gamespy, you can make a room, then people join the room, and you launch the room, making a server
18:55.50jzaunsussudio: could add them :-)
18:55.58Patlabor2221oooo bunneis, much evil there
18:56.25jzaunbzdoug: rooms are run by the server in GGZ, there would be a BZFlag room. within that room people make tables and they launch the server
18:56.35bzdougok
18:56.49bzdougso that would be an easy way to have matches
18:56.55jzaunvery
18:57.12bzdougalso would it be possible to write a bot in GZZ that would auto start servers for people?
18:57.20jzaunI can get in contact with riq: the person who added support before and talk to him about it
18:57.27bzdougk
18:57.40jzaunbut in the end we could add support and no require an addition software.
18:57.45bzdougk
18:58.03jzaunerr... no additional software client side
18:58.24bzdoughm
18:59.01jzaunserver side you would need ggzd installed and bzfs installed
18:59.10bzdougk
19:00.21jzauncurrently each ggz server has its own user registry, but thats changeing shorlt to a central registry and all ggz server and all games run on them will have a central registry so jzaun would be me in BZF or any other ggz game
19:00.30jzaunon any server...
19:00.39bzdougcoool
19:00.40bzdoug:)
19:00.58bzdouggzz++
19:01.05bzdoug~karma for gzz
19:01.05for gzz has neutral karma
19:01.09bzdouggrr
19:01.30jzaunyes and no, a karma system is in the workd
19:01.32jzaunworks*
19:01.34BZFlagneed to support multiple bzfs server (on multiple hosts) with one registry.
19:01.41bzdougBZFlag: ?
19:01.43jzaunthats why I would need a list of what bzflag needs
19:02.11jzaunBZFlag: yes I agree... but do we code that in bz spesific code or add it to ggz?
19:03.35jzaunBZFlag: if we do bzflag spesific code then only bzflag will use it, if added to ggz bzflag will use it but so will all other (15 or so games) will use it too
19:03.43Chestalhmm, is there a good overview somehwere on what gzz provides?
19:04.10bzdougsource.gz
19:04.11bzdoug:)
19:04.20jzaunChestal: looking
19:05.18jzaunthere is an overview here: http://ggz.sourceforge.net/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=13
19:05.37jzaunlet me get Jason (one of the lead developers) to write up a full doc.
19:06.50jzaunThis is about 6 months old, but give some more detail: http://ggz.sourceforge.net/docs/design/html/
19:16.09BZFlagI added http://BZFlag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem for thoughts/comments.
19:18.01jzaunBZFlag: I've emailed Jason, I'll let you know when i get a reply
19:18.33ChestalI never learnt how to use a wiki, but we could put the document from 1.8 up there
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19:30.56BZFlagChestal: good idea...
19:31.29*** part/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@pD9E1AFC7.dip.t-dialin.net)
19:37.03jzaunChestal: gimme a few min and jzaun.com will run 1.7e8
19:37.30sussudio1.7e8?
19:37.34jzaunmd5.cxx:59: syntax error before `::' token
19:37.40jzaunmd5.cxx:72: syntax error before `::' token
19:38.01jzaun<PROTECTED>
19:41.09Chestalwhich compiler?
19:41.38jzaunRH8
19:41.53jzaungcc (GCC) 3.2 20020903
19:42.36jzaunbunches of   /usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using
19:42.36jzaunone of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for the <X.h> header for C++ includes, or <sstream> instead of the deprecated header <strstream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated.   too
19:43.52Chestalok, it has not been really adapted to g++ 3.2 yet, but I currently do not see why it barf on md5.cxx
19:44.49sussudiobzflag cvs compiled fine here yesterday
19:44.58jzaunnote sure, MDK8.2 is compiling fine
19:45.11sussudioi'm using debian/sid
19:45.27BZFlaghttp://bzflag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem <- from 1.8 cvs doc/karma.txt
19:45.43jzaunChestal: /usr/include/md5.h:27: parse error before `[' token   .h file
19:47.41BZFlaghmm uint4
19:47.49Chestalline 27? uhm
19:48.07Chestalthat's inside a comment?
19:48.49jzaunheh
19:49.32Chestaloh
19:49.37Chestalit uses a system wide md5.h, hmm
19:50.40Chestaldo you have bzflag/include/md5.h?
19:51.22jzaunyes
19:51.36Chestalhmm, I wonder why it is using /usr/include/md5.h though
19:51.51Chestalcan you post the invocation of g++?
19:52.04jzaunmake[3]: Entering directory `/home/jzaun/Devel/bzflag/src/common'
19:52.04jzaun`-m486' is deprecated. Use `-march=i486' or `-mcpu=i486' instead.
19:52.04jzauncc1plus: warning: -fnonnull-objects is no longer supported
19:52.04jzauncc1plus: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include"
19:52.04jzauncc1plus: warning:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
19:52.15Chestaluh, it has -I/usr/include
19:52.21Chestalwhy is that?
19:52.24jzaunnot sure
19:52.40jzaunI did a make linux then a make
19:52.44Chestalthe local include dir should be at the front I think
19:54.17jzaunhow does one go about makeing that happen :-)
19:54.54Chestalgood question
19:58.27BZFlagupdate and try now.
19:58.37BZFlagyou are getting the wrong md5.h
19:58.54BZFlagwe might want to rename it, but I just changed the include path instead.
19:58.55jzauncvs server: [12:03:54] waiting for chestal's lock in /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/package/irix
19:59.14Chestalhmm
19:59.16ChestalI'm innocent
19:59.26jzaunits freed
19:59.42Chestalbzfs includes it, too
19:59.50Chestalor dose it?
19:59.51Chestalhmm
19:59.53Chestalprobslby not, forget it
20:00.19Chestalhmm, after thinking about it, it does :-)
20:01.17jzaun1.7e8   no more -pr?
20:02.06BZFlagit's there.
20:02.23BZFlagdoes, patched that as well. cvs up again.
20:03.21jzaunerr.... I just broaked jzaun.com :-(
20:03.29jzauncvs co got me 1.8a1 :-(
20:03.48BZFlagcvs up -Pdr v1_7
20:05.30jzauncvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag -are
20:05.30jzaunv1_7 co bzflag?
20:05.51jzaunthats the letter not the word are
20:07.11Chestalcvs -d... co -r v1_7 bzflag
20:07.35jzauntanks
20:07.44Chestalbzflag: did you give up on making 1.7 HEAD? :-)
20:08.34BZFlagChestal: just got frustrated with it. Maybe I'll do it today and call it 1.7g0 ;-)
20:09.32jzaung?
20:09.45Chestaldoes the windows build automatically create html versin of the man pages?
20:09.52jzaunmake[3]: *** No rule to make target `../../lib/libCommon.a', needed by `../../bin/bzfs'.  Stop.
20:10.32Chestalhuh?
20:10.35TimRikerwell there are a bunch of f releases, so g might make more sense.
20:10.35Chestalthat's strange
20:10.52jzaunWhat are the f releases?
20:11.11TimRikerjzaun: earlier it must have died making comthing in common, probably md5.cxx
20:11.28Chestalthere was a 1.7fx branch which introduced the udp unicast networking
20:11.30jzaunok, doing make clean;make
20:11.42TimRikerthe old fx that BZFrank did as well as the f7 release.
20:11.45Chestaljust make should be sufficient
20:12.30jzaunTimRiker: oh :-)
20:12.51jzaunside note: whats the CVS server version supposed to read? 1.7e8 or 1.7e7?
20:12.57Chestalfeedback for the new version has been ok so far, some peopel suggest making the roaming labels white or use none, white, coloured
20:13.08Chestalit's 1.7e7 now
20:13.40jzaunisn't it 1.7e8?
20:13.46Chestalthat would be the release
20:14.00Chestaljust as 1.7e4 was a release, 1.7e5 development, then 1.7e6 release
20:14.39jzaunChestal: oohhhh... my bad :-)
20:14.54TimRikerthe release version will get stamped, then we build releases, then quickly change cvs to the next dev release.
20:15.05jzaunok, jzaun.com is running 1.7e7 as of 2 min. ago
20:15.17Chestalah, good, I'll try to join
20:15.20TimRikerdid you add a -tkkr option? ;-)
20:15.30jzaunTimRiker: no, whats it do?
20:15.50TimRikerkicks team killers
20:17.07Chestaljzaun: does it cycle through all worlds or choose one randomly?
20:17.14jzaunrandom
20:19.38Chestalhmm, cannot connect right now
20:19.51jzaunyah try in a sec.
20:19.53ChestalI joined like 5 or 6 times, different worlds
20:20.07Chestalthe world cache files are all very slow, like 4-6k
20:20.48bzdougjzaun: you got the CVS code on jzaun?
20:21.01bzdouglemme try
20:25.52bzdougI dont see it
20:26.15jzaunok all better
20:26.27jzaunadded -tkkr
20:26.49jzaunIt would have been up sooner if I had relized -tkkr required an agument :-)
20:26.50jzaunits set for 50
20:28.15bzdoug50...
20:28.20bzdougwhats that mean?
20:28.26jzaun50%
20:28.29bzdougah
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20:35.02TimRikerChestal: the _files_ are _slow_ ? huh?
20:35.22TimRikercurse those slow files.
20:37.48Chestaleh, small :-)
20:38.04ChestalI wonder if it makes any difference in join speed for such small files
20:38.18ChestalI don't know about the world database transmit protocol, though
20:38.29Chestalif it is stop and wait, it might well make a diff
20:38.56jzaunok, back to compile issues
20:39.05jzaunmake[3]: *** No rule to make target `../../lib/libCommon.a', needed by `../../bin/bzflag'.  Stop.
20:39.12jzaungot it after a make clean;make
20:39.15TimRikeryeah, client halts till the world is received.
20:39.41TimRikerjzaun: do make again. something else is failing earlier on.
20:41.16jzaunmake -f Make-sys default
20:41.16jzaunmake[1]: Entering directory `/home/jzaun/Devel/bzflag'
20:41.16jzaunmake[1]: [targets] Error 1 (ignored)
20:41.21jzaunthosae are the only errors
20:44.24TimRikergot a src/common/md5.cxx ?
20:44.30TimRikermight try touching it.
20:45.28jzaunmd5.cxx: In member function `void MD5::update(std::istream&)':
20:45.29jzaunmd5.cxx:146: invalid conversion from `unsigned char*' to `char*'
20:45.29jzaunmd5.cxx:146:   initializing argument 1 of `std::basic_istream<_CharT, _Traits>&
20:45.29jzaun<PROTECTED>
20:45.29jzaun<PROTECTED>
20:45.29jzaunmd5.cxx: In member function `void MD5::update(std::ifstream&)':
20:45.31jzaunmd5.cxx:167: invalid conversion from `unsigned char*' to `char*'
20:45.32jzaunmd5.cxx:167:   initializing argument 1 of `std::basic_istream<_CharT, _Traits>&
20:45.35jzaun<PROTECTED>
20:45.37jzaun<PROTECTED>
20:45.39jzaunheh :-(
20:47.26TimRikerchange buffer to just char?
20:48.21jzaunnot sure :-(
20:48.29jzaunwhere and what would I change?
20:48.56TimRikerremove "unsigned" from the lines that read: "unsigned char buffer[1024];"
20:50.15Chestalchange the lines to
20:50.16Chestal<PROTECTED>
20:50.24captain_protonTimRiker: done with the interview?
20:50.53ChestalI hacked in grow and shrink keys to chaneg the size of the 3D view with opacity=1.0
20:50.55Chestalworks quite well
20:50.56jzaunTimRiker: well... removing the unsigned didn't work
20:51.04TimRikernow?
20:51.08jzaund5.cxx: In member function `void MD5::update(FILE*)':
20:51.08jzaunmd5.cxx:126: invalid conversion from `char*' to `unsigned char*'
20:51.08jzaunmd5.cxx:126:   initializing argument 1 of `void MD5::update(unsigned char*,
20:51.08jzaun<PROTECTED>
20:51.11Chestaljzaun: try my line, the other doesn't work because the problem then reappear on the call to update
20:51.24Chestalread expects a char*, but update an unsigned char *
20:52.09Chestalor mayeb it should be an unisgned char stream, hmm
20:52.09TimRikerjzaun: yeah, try what Chestal said.
20:53.43TimRikerthat would work better.
20:54.07jzaunthat did it
20:55.34jzaunnow all the:  warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using
20:55.34jzaunone of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for the <X.h> header for C++ includes, or <sstream> instead of the deprecated header <strstream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated.  things :-)
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21:06.17jzaunwelp I'm out for a bit
21:06.21jzauncatch ya all later tonight
21:06.39Chestalbye jzaun
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21:10.06bzdougoh my
21:11.23bzdougdas interview is on
21:14.19Patlabor221where is it at?
21:14.30bzdoug#gametome
21:15.40bzdoug?!??!?!
21:15.58bzdougoh really...
21:15.59Patlabor221well I hope the installer shortcuts are fixed if he's gonna release today
21:16.03bzdoughaha
21:16.52bzdougoh?
21:17.04Patlabor221yeah you didn't know that?
21:17.20bzdougnot really
21:17.27Patlabor221don't play much then do you
21:17.37bzdougI played today
21:18.35bzdougTimRiker: psssst: talk about the world caching! ;)
21:19.00Patlabor221I'm sure he's got a list
21:19.11bzdoughttp://happypenguin.org/irc/questions.php
21:21.12Patlabor221what, that's someting stupid you would ask :)
21:21.20bzdougnever
21:21.44Patlabor221wow lugy came back
21:21.48Patlabor221been a while
21:21.51bzdougyah
21:22.09Patlabor221he's gonna say it
21:25.01Patlabor221hmm I have red,blue,green,gray,and gold for "tank" colors, think that's enough?
21:25.04bzdougcrs is there too
21:25.42Patlabor221yes he is
21:25.48bzdougpink, purple with spots of green, and light absorbing black is missing, but that ok
21:26.06Patlabor221skin em if you want to
21:26.10bzdougk
21:28.09bzdougpave...
21:28.10bzdoug:)
21:28.16Patlabor221just don't let hoda make tank models
21:28.28bzdouglol
21:28.49bzdougask that question
21:28.57Patlabor221what?
21:29.00bzdougwill hoda have anything to do with bzflag?
21:29.02bzdoug:)
21:29.13Patlabor221no, it's suposed to be aserious interview
21:31.19Patlabor221% air contool would be easy to do and I think make it easyer to play
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21:57.47Patlabor221yeah Jeff
21:58.01bzdoug?
21:58.05Patlabor221thought you loged all the stuff
21:58.19Patlabor221yeah he knows Jeff the guy who made SS
21:58.30bzdougsweet
21:58.52bzdougPatlabor221: how do I turn off shutdown from the login screen?
21:58.53Patlabor221I don't know who did the changes to make it Continuim tho
21:59.03Patlabor221you don't
21:59.11bzdoughm
21:59.20Patlabor221well not without a domain controller
21:59.39bzdougoh
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22:02.46Patlabor221then it will be in single machine mode
22:03.01Patlabor221and for that you need to be able to turn off the machine without loging in
22:03.29bzdougI want to lock my computer
22:03.36bzdougand keep it from being turned off
22:11.21Patlabor221remove the power button
22:11.23bzdougsweeet: http://www.littlepc.com/
22:11.39bzdougproblem is there is a shutdown button on the lock screen
22:11.41Patlabor221yeah we got those at fry's
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22:11.50bzdougI can lock the powerbutton up
22:12.02Patlabor221what are you running?
22:12.07Patlabor2212k?
22:12.07bzdougXP pro
22:12.10sussudiobzflag in cvs managed to lock up linux :-|
22:12.15Patlabor221check the local admin polcy
22:12.23Patlabor221there may be asetting
22:13.04bzdoughmm
22:14.00bzdougI can remove users from the shutdown policy
22:14.13Patlabor221there you go
22:14.16Patlabor221why do you care?
22:14.22Patlabor221who is gonna shut it down?
22:14.29bzdougpeople
22:14.31bzdougsisters
22:15.02Patlabor221put a USB keyboard on it, and pull it when you arn't using it
22:15.46Patlabor221and the power cord
22:15.55Patlabor221lock it in a closet and VNC into it
22:16.02bzdougI have a door on the front of my PC
22:16.05bzdougwith a key
22:16.16Patlabor221powercord in the back?
22:16.21bzdougyea
22:16.28Patlabor221that can be pulled?
22:16.32bzdougno
22:16.48bzdougbut I have 2 ways of flipping switches to turn it off
22:17.07bzdougbut all I Want to do is get rid of the shutdown thing on the lock screen
22:17.15Chestalhmm, isn't gl exact to the pixel when you use glortho with no scaling?
22:17.24Chestalwith all x.0 values?
22:17.44bzdougChestal: depends
22:17.48Patlabor221yes
22:18.21Patlabor221I do all my HUT overlay stuff in it
22:18.25Chestalgot some strange effects here
22:18.41Chestalwhen I resize my windows, for some y sizes I have an off by 1 error
22:18.55Patlabor221now if there is texture scaling, the textures can have glitchys
22:18.57bzdoug~lart TimRiker
22:19.45TimRikerso did md5.cxx get fixed for gcc 3.2 then?
22:19.53TimRikerwe should do that before release.
22:20.26bzdougyou would hope
22:20.34bzdouglol
22:22.15ChestalTimRiker: last problem was the char*/unsigne char* mismatch
22:24.05sussudioathlon:/home/sussudio/gtkam# gcc --version
22:24.05sussudio2.95.4
22:24.07sussudiolalala
22:24.09sussudioworks fine
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22:25.19cfaunOkay. I'm trying to set up a server using the following command:
22:25.28cfaun<PROTECTED>
22:25.37cfaunand...well it's not registering
22:25.41bzdoughm
22:25.54cfaundoes it make a difference if I'm behind a router?
22:25.56bzdougadd -publiclist <listserver>
22:26.02bzdougit might fix it
22:26.06cfaunwhat's the default listserver?
22:26.17bzdougdunno
22:26.22bzdougask TimRiker
22:26.23bzdoug:)
22:26.28TimRikerChestal: can you talk the strean into being uchar then?
22:26.43Chestalhmm, how could any engine miss the corners for a rectangle line loop?
22:26.44cfaunTimRiker: what's the default listserver?
22:26.48TimRikercfaun: it defaults to getting a url on sourceforge.
22:27.05TimRikerhttp://bzflag.sourceforge.net/list-server.txt iirc
22:27.05ChestalTimRiker: bzflag doesn't use this funcation anyway I think. Can we mess with the md5 source code?
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22:27.13cfaunthanks
22:27.19Terminatorhi guys
22:27.20bzdougTimRiker: yea, but my bzfs had problems with accessing the list
22:27.26TimRikersure. small patches to md5.cxx would be fine.
22:27.28Terminatorlong time since i last came here
22:28.06bzdougyay, I got the shutdown thing to dissapear
22:28.06Chestalwe could just dump the md5 functions which operate on files then?
22:29.09cfaunhow do you get more than 10 for maximum shots?
22:29.33Patlabor221the server only suports 10
22:29.37TimRikerChestal: that's fine by me. #ifdef UNUSED  would be great.
22:29.43Patlabor221more requires you to change the code
22:29.48cfaunokay
22:30.05ChestalTimRiker: am right now working on small off by 1 errors in the rendering
22:30.09Patlabor221TimRiker: don't forget to mention the new installer with all the helpfiles for window users
22:30.10Chestalbeats me so far
22:32.28bzdougand the bzeditors!!!
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22:32.48cfaunis it possible to set up a server from behind a router or is my computer just messed up?
22:33.06Patlabor221doug: you know I made a butt load of new ones while you were gone right?
22:33.15bzdougum
22:33.17bzdougI think
22:33.26Patlabor221you can set up a server benind a router
22:33.33bzdougwhats the current version?
22:33.35Patlabor221but you have to add some setings to the router
22:33.46cfaunokay. I'll take a looksee
22:33.47cfaunthanks
22:33.52Patlabor221doug: 1.59f6 or soemthing
22:33.56bzdoughmm
22:34.12Patlabor221cfaun: easysst thing is to set your machine as the DMZ
22:34.22Patlabor221otherwise you have to set port routing
22:34.26Patlabor221doug, check the site.
22:34.37bzdougJuMPer RuleZ... hiehie. Dobry jestem, co?
22:34.38cfaunsorry for my ignorance but... what's DMZ stand for?
22:34.52bzdougcfaun: demilaterized zone
22:34.52Patlabor221?
22:34.54bzdoug:)
22:34.57cfaunlol
22:34.58Patlabor221yeah
22:35.03cfaunI mean the computer one
22:35.09cfaunnot korea
22:35.11bzdougcfaun: it puts your computer outside the firewall
22:35.11Patlabor221realy that's what it means
22:35.16bzdougcfaun: thats what it means...
22:35.20Patlabor221dougL: no it odosn't
22:35.26bzdougwell
22:35.28bzdougsorta
22:35.28Patlabor221it routs all unkown trafic to one IP
22:35.34bzdougah
22:35.44bzdougmy firewall sends everything to one ip
22:35.47Patlabor221it lets one machine act as a server for your connection
22:36.26Patlabor221doug can you get to BakaDigital.com as a web page?
22:36.28bzdouggrr
22:36.31bzdougum
22:36.50bzdougAnd Now for something completely difrent...
22:37.02cfaunif I know the DMZ IP adress what do I do from there? Or should I jus tshut up up stfw?
22:37.04bzdougyes
22:37.05Patlabor221cool, then the DNS has propigated
22:37.25bzdougcfaun: on your router there should be an option called DMZ
22:37.36bzdougturn it on and set the ip to your computers ip
22:37.36Patlabor221cfaun: if your net has a DMZ IP, then you need to set the server to that IP
22:37.40Patlabor221doug should shut up
22:37.54bzdoug~bzedit
22:37.56hmm... bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows
22:37.56Patlabor221that DMZ ip is the only one that will get out.
22:38.01cfaunis there an option to pass to bzflag?
22:38.13Patlabor221no, it's not a software thing
22:38.16Patlabor221it's your hardware
22:38.19Patlabor221the router
22:38.49Patlabor221it's just a file count
22:38.58cfaunthe IP for the DMZ looks like its only visible in the router network thinge though: 192.168.1.0
22:39.16Patlabor221that looks like a gateway IP
22:39.33Patlabor221can you set the DMZ IP in the router to your machine's IP?
22:39.58cfaunumm
22:39.59cfaunI'll try
22:40.09bzdougHOLY DANCING MONKEYS! you added a FLAT TON of stuff to bzedit
22:40.35Patlabor221what you think I was just gonna sit here while you were in the old person state?
22:40.44bzdoughum
22:40.58cfaunbzdoug: holy dancing monkeys???
22:41.01bzdougpeople get stuff done
22:41.18bzdougcfaun: yea
22:41.21sussudiobzdoug : it's a kentucky tradition. all of doug's family dances.
22:41.30Patlabor221amazing what hapens when you are not distracted.
22:41.39bzdougawww
22:42.57cfaunthe port forwarding is set up but its not actually REGISTERING with the bzfls thing
22:43.11Patlabor221what ports are you forwarding
22:43.18Patlabor221the list serv uses more ports then the game
22:43.28Patlabor221and you have to have UDP set to forward too
22:43.35cfaunwhat ports do I need to forward?
22:43.49Patlabor2215155 5156
22:43.55cfauncurrently I'm just forwarding 45-56
22:43.59cfaunerr 54-56
22:44.03Patlabor221that's not enough
22:44.12Patlabor221list serv uses 5155 I think
22:44.31Chestalwhen I do glScissor(x,y,w,h)  the area I can draw in starts at x/y  and ends at x+w-1,y+w-1 ?
22:44.42Chestalehm, x+w-1/y+h-1
22:44.57Patlabor221ick
22:45.23bzdougno grouping yet?
22:45.25Patlabor221wonder if that's implemenation specific
22:45.33Patlabor221nope
22:45.36bzdougk
22:45.50bzdougalso the enter key still dont work
22:46.00Chestalwell, it must be defined, or there is no way to draw this exactly
22:46.02cfaunoops. I forwarded the port that I connected to the router with for config. oops
22:46.04Patlabor221it's not suposed to
22:46.57bzdougoh coooooooool
22:47.09bzdougI can make curved thing in bzedit
22:47.15cfaunawsome
22:47.21cfaunthe windows or unix version?
22:47.23Chestalhm, either glscissor or the line loop messes up
22:47.26Patlabor221it's not curved
22:47.28Chestalneed to count pixels now
22:47.30bzdougyea
22:47.35bzdougbut its pretty darn close
22:47.40Patlabor221it's just a dupication
22:48.32bzdoughum
22:49.01cfaunso I need ports 55, 5155?
22:49.15Patlabor2215155 and 5156
22:49.23Patlabor221I don't think 55 is used at all
22:49.38cfaunits the port the clients are supposed to connect to
22:49.44bzdoughmm
22:49.55Patlabor221default port for a server is 5155
22:51.20Patlabor221would be nice if Tim did mention the editors.
22:51.24cfaunso I need 55 and 5156?
22:51.34Chestalhmm, the scissored area is one pixel too large sometimes
22:51.34Patlabor2215155 5156
22:51.36Chestalthis sucks
22:51.38Patlabor221that's all I know
22:51.42cfaunokay
22:51.45cfaunthanks
22:51.48Patlabor221do you have to use glScissor
22:52.04bzdoug<PROTECTED>
22:52.21ChestalPatlabor: it's used for the radar
22:52.29ChestalPatlabor: it should only draw in its small box
22:53.01Patlabor221ohh yes
22:53.08Chestalah, hmm
22:53.14Patlabor221never liked scissor
22:53.19Patlabor221have my own way of faking it
22:53.38ChestalI was wrong
22:53.45Chestalglscissoris right
22:53.50Chestalbut the lineloop is wrong
22:53.52Patlabor221drawing wriong?
22:54.03Patlabor221TimRiker: mention the editors :)
22:54.40ChestalPat: yes, the vertical line is one pixel short
22:54.56ChestalPat: it's a line loop with 4 vertices forming a square
22:55.50Patlabor221it ends at the bottom pixel of it's endpoint?
22:56.32Chestalthe upper edge is one pixel too low
22:57.00Patlabor221ik
22:57.24Chestaly coordinates are 0,0,48,48, but it draws 0,0,47,47
22:57.34bzdougwow
22:57.38bzdoughe sure left in a hurry
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22:59.04bzdoug"The change machine looks like a time machine more than a time machine looks like a time machine... for a change."
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23:02.30Terminator_i like the self destruct in the new bzflag
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23:09.11Terminator_hi rooter
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23:23.52snykeTim?
23:23.58snykeare you here?
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