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| 00:09.36 | bzdoug | ~lart sim |
| 00:10.22 | sim | ~lart bzdoug |
| 00:10.33 | sim | =) |
| 00:11.13 | snyke | ;) |
| 00:11.50 | bzdoug | ~die |
| 00:11.52 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 00:12.44 | bzdoug | ~insult sim |
| 00:15.21 | bzdoug | ~ducati |
| 00:15.30 | sim | ~insult bzdoug |
| 00:15.39 | bzdoug | ~oh? |
| 00:15.41 | | bzdoug: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:15.51 | sim | i have to lern the commands =) |
| 00:17.00 | bzdoug | ~help |
| 00:17.59 | bzdoug | ~tell kemmy about bzflag |
| 00:19.29 | bzdoug | ~slashdot |
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| 00:25.04 | bzdoug | LO!!! |
| 00:25.13 | MrApathyCream | howdy ho |
| 00:25.33 | bzdoug | you missed it!!! |
| 00:26.00 | MrApathyCream | wassat |
| 00:26.23 | bzdoug | see topic |
| 00:26.49 | MrApathyCream | happy penguin? |
| 00:26.53 | bzdoug | yah |
| 00:26.58 | bzdoug | interview |
| 00:27.00 | bzdoug | today |
| 00:27.05 | bzdoug | 2 hours ago |
| 00:27.05 | MrApathyCream | where's the transcript? |
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| 00:27.29 | bzdoug | ask snyke for it |
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| 00:38.16 | Patlabor221 | >nick GIR_ |
| 00:46.25 | MrApathyCream | so are we really releasing a version today, or was he saying that he's announcing that were releasing a version today? |
| 00:48.01 | Chestal | ehm, we cannot release today |
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| 00:48.45 | Chestal | MAC: somoen complained that bzfs is not usable on windows, that people go [nr] after a while, supposed to be a known bug |
| 00:49.06 | Chestal | MAC: I guess he posted it on the new forum |
| 00:49.10 | Chestal | well, I have to go to bed now |
| 00:49.30 | Chestal | there are some other small issues which must be resolved before releasing IMHO, and we should hae some more testing |
| 00:49.49 | Chestal | good night |
| 00:50.50 | GIR_ | I haven't had that problem on my server |
| 00:51.04 | patlabor221 | night |
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| 00:54.47 | BZFlag | well test away folks. I'll be gone for the evening so no release in the next 3 hours. After that I think I'll call it 1.7g0 and ship it. I'll do debian, src.rpm, and tarball for x86 |
| 00:55.20 | nilfilter | Sid required for Debian version? |
| 00:55.21 | BZFlag | has Chestal's patch been tested on 3.2 someplace? It looks fine here, but I'm not on 3.2 yet. |
| 00:55.22 | MrApathyCream | i'll do winbin, if you like |
| 00:55.23 | patlabor221 | has the installer been looked at to make sure all the server shortcuts are right? |
| 00:55.40 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: the html files are there now |
| 00:55.58 | patlabor221 | what about the "start a server" shortcuts are there options ok? |
| 00:56.14 | BZFlag | nilfilter: I'll submit to sid, which will show up in testing. I may submit to stable too (woody) but I doubt they will take it. |
| 00:56.16 | patlabor221 | and should proalby do a windows zip source |
| 00:56.33 | BZFlag | perhaps. |
| 00:56.44 | nilfilter | BZFlag: Nice, I'm using testing. |
| 00:58.10 | patlabor221 | well there is a windows server that was built form CVS yesterday running at bzworld1.BakaDigital.com:5155 |
| 00:58.24 | BZFlag | committing version change. test away. |
| 00:58.25 | patlabor221 | I was on it for about 30 min with no problems testing map values |
| 00:58.32 | BZFlag | then I'll tag cvs when I get back. |
| 00:59.03 | patlabor221 | MAC you'll need to change the version strings in the installer script |
| 00:59.10 | patlabor221 | from e8 to g0 |
| 00:59.24 | patlabor221 | the script will put the changes everywhere they need to go. |
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| 01:00.26 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: ok |
| 01:00.51 | patlabor221 | it'll even rename the output exe too |
| 01:01.16 | MrApathyCream | hmm why g0? |
| 01:01.47 | patlabor221 | why no testing? |
| 01:06.01 | MrApathyCream | posting win g0 to web site (about 20 mins) |
| 01:09.19 | patlabor221 | saw Win G there for a second and got scared "bad memories" :) |
| 01:10.36 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: i think the output exe stays as the ever populer bzfinst.exe |
| 01:10.58 | MrApathyCream | (i mean riker wants it that way, prolly) |
| 01:12.10 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 01:12.17 | patlabor221 | then you can change the line in the script |
| 01:12.24 | patlabor221 | outfile I think it is |
| 01:12.32 | patlabor221 | it's got the variable for version in it |
| 01:23.58 | MrApathyCream | i just changed it manually |
| 01:24.04 | patlabor221 | k |
| 01:25.29 | MrApathyCream | win binary 1.7g0 release candidate 1 available at: http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 01:26.42 | patlabor221 | at least it's not 3dGM |
| 01:28.43 | patlabor221 | time to go see if they are done cleaning the carpets at work |
| 01:36.28 | captain_proton | wooohoooooo! after i merge it all, i'll have a giant commit w/ code cleanup, LGE, joystick support, etc |
| 01:48.59 | scanline | time for a non-practice concert? |
| 01:49.22 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 01:49.47 | scanline | good luck |
| 01:50.01 | scanline | might need it with those sinister-looking bowties around |
| 01:50.49 | captain_proton | the real evil lies in the cummerbund |
| 01:51.03 | scanline | ah! and how well it tries to hide in the shadow of the bowtie! |
| 01:53.38 | MrApathyCream | bbl for the party |
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| 03:24.26 | patlabor221 | wow we have a very very good printer |
| 03:24.39 | patlabor221 | 11x17 full color 2400x1200 dpi |
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| 03:41.04 | patlabor221 | they have that 22 flat panel that' runs 3600 something |
| 03:41.46 | patlabor221 | has 2s the pixel density of normal flat panels |
| 03:42.47 | vogon | scanline: mind giving me a copy of the jetstream source? |
| 03:42.54 | vogon | scanline: I'll help out if I can find something to do. |
| 03:42.59 | scanline | vogon: it's on a public SVN server |
| 03:43.06 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/ |
| 03:43.13 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.50 | patlabor221 | nanobunnies? |
| 03:43.59 | scanline | patlabor221: sussudio's idea |
| 03:44.19 | vogon | dude. |
| 03:44.31 | vogon | picobunnies are the wave of the future. |
| 03:44.51 | vogon | nanobunnies are so 20th century. |
| 03:45.05 | patlabor221 | I would agree, nano bunies are get stuck in your teeth |
| 03:45.49 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:46.22 | vogon | damn you, debian. I wan subversion now. |
| 03:46.28 | vogon | want, too. |
| 03:46.39 | scanline | you should get version 0.15 if that's not the latest in debian |
| 03:46.55 | patlabor221 | that's not a jetcow, it's a jetdogcow |
| 03:47.12 | scanline | we have both a jetcow and a jetdogcow |
| 03:47.18 | vogon | Provides: |
| 03:47.22 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/jetcow.jpg <-- jetcow |
| 03:47.23 | vogon | 0.15.0-2 - |
| 03:47.35 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/jetcow2.png <-- pseudojetdogcow |
| 03:47.42 | scanline | vogon: neat |
| 03:48.01 | patlabor221 | it's labled paper jetcow in the folder |
| 03:48.15 | vogon | 30% [4 libxml2-dev 681726/1085kB 62%] 3620B/s 9m2s <-- blargh. |
| 03:48.35 | scanline | I should clarify those names |
| 03:49.09 | patlabor221 | makes me think of space harier |
| 03:49.12 | patlabor221 | but with cows |
| 03:49.18 | scanline | or just let people use their imagination :) |
| 03:53.24 | patlabor221 | I gotta send cap some new skyboxes I found, they don't have the jpeg artifacts |
| 03:53.34 | scanline | where are you finding these? |
| 03:53.45 | patlabor221 | on "the internet" |
| 03:54.05 | scanline | well, even if stuff is freely distributable I want to be able to put a source on all artwork that isn't original for this project |
| 03:54.14 | scanline | I like having all my licensing details sorted out |
| 03:54.35 | patlabor221 | I'll send cap the link to the place |
| 03:54.41 | patlabor221 | one is "the wadfather" |
| 03:54.50 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:54.54 | vogon | so, are the ships always going to be 2D, or are they going to become 3D eventually? |
| 03:54.55 | scanline | ok |
| 03:55.09 | patlabor221 | I sent them a 3s ship to use untill I can make a good one |
| 03:55.13 | patlabor221 | 3d |
| 03:55.16 | scanline | vogon: oh, definitely 3d.. that's just a stand-in because I don't have a 3D model |
| 03:55.26 | patlabor221 | I sent cap one |
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| 03:55.28 | patlabor221 | jff.zip |
| 03:55.32 | vogon | scanline: *nod* |
| 03:55.42 | vogon | I could fire up blender or something and hack together a decent ship. |
| 03:55.43 | scanline | well, we also don't have a real model loader yet |
| 03:55.53 | scanline | I need to get around to learning blender |
| 03:55.53 | vogon | heh. |
| 03:55.59 | patlabor221 | I sent him one of those too |
| 03:56.11 | scanline | GPL'ed? |
| 03:56.25 | patlabor221 | sure, I wrote it |
| 03:56.28 | patlabor221 | from scratch |
| 03:56.30 | scanline | neat |
| 03:57.19 | vogon | OK, subversion's installing. |
| 03:57.37 | scanline | the only documentation on jetstream so far is a short README with some info on installing it |
| 03:58.15 | patlabor221 | wow this has to be the nicest water I've ever seen in a released game |
| 03:58.24 | scanline | which game? |
| 03:58.53 | patlabor221 | Dark Age of Camelot |
| 03:59.05 | patlabor221 | uping some pics |
| 03:59.10 | scanline | oh, I think I saw a friend playing that |
| 03:59.26 | patlabor221 | with the new expansion, it looks great |
| 03:59.56 | patlabor221 | what the hell, how do you make a 1600x1200 jpeg be 1.3 megs |
| 04:00.06 | vogon | OK, I've no clue how to work subversion. |
| 04:00.26 | vogon | I'm hoping that svn export http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/jetstream is something close to what I was to do. |
| 04:00.26 | scanline | it's mostly like CVS |
| 04:00.35 | scanline | checkout, not export |
| 04:00.43 | patlabor221 | svn cp http://site:port/folder |
| 04:00.44 | vogon | ahh. |
| 04:00.48 | vogon | the manpage doesn't cover checkout. |
| 04:00.54 | patlabor221 | co not cp |
| 04:00.54 | scanline | yeah it does |
| 04:01.15 | vogon | scanline: not in the place where you'd expect it to be (in alphabetical order.) |
| 04:01.16 | patlabor221 | sv co http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/jetstream |
| 04:01.19 | patlabor221 | svn |
| 04:01.23 | patlabor221 | god I can't type today |
| 04:01.27 | scanline | it's in alphabetical order |
| 04:01.45 | vogon | ah. |
| 04:02.04 | vogon | in that case, I'm blind. |
| 04:02.37 | patlabor221 | I realy like subversion over CVS |
| 04:02.40 | patlabor221 | it's very nice |
| 04:02.54 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/shot0.jpg |
| 04:03.26 | scanline | neat |
| 04:04.30 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/shot2.jpg |
| 04:10.02 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: try the 'final' installer, and happy with it? |
| 04:10.18 | patlabor221 | I installed the one off your site |
| 04:10.20 | patlabor221 | and it seems ok |
| 04:10.44 | patlabor221 | that's what my server is running now, right from the install |
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| 04:12.10 | MrApathyCream | cool, the links all work, yes? |
| 04:12.39 | patlabor221 | looks like it |
| 04:12.43 | MrApathyCream | K |
| 04:14.49 | MrApathyCream | have any of the new bzfs switches on? |
| 04:15.20 | patlabor221 | No, and CTF isn't set |
| 04:15.24 | patlabor221 | on th CTF link |
| 04:16.23 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 04:16.49 | patlabor221 | looks like it's just missing -fb |
| 04:39.34 | MrApathyCream | or -tkkr |
| 04:39.54 | MrApathyCream | ==for testing== |
| 04:39.59 | MrApathyCream | -tkkr 60 |
| 06:15.23 | BZFlag | so did someone try Chestal's fix on gcc 3.2? |
| 06:21.26 | vogon | ibot. |
| 06:21.27 | vogon | no doubt. |
| 07:15.08 | BZFlag | hmm. shell script test to compare the size of two files? |
| 07:19.49 | scanline | foonix, eh? |
| 07:21.10 | BZFlag | ls -l file | awk '{print $5}' I suppose. |
| 07:21.50 | captain_proton | bum bum bum bum |
| 07:22.01 | captain_proton | scanline: can i borrow el soldero again? |
| 07:22.05 | scanline | sure |
| 07:22.52 | scanline | hmm, that assumes I can find it.. |
| 07:23.08 | scanline | ah, got it |
| 07:23.19 | captain_proton | BZFlag: got a transcript of that interview? i'd like to see the first part |
| 07:24.07 | BZFlag | they will post it on happy penguin, so I didn't log one. |
| 07:25.01 | captain_proton | BZFlag: is cvs ready for g0 material? |
| 07:29.42 | captain_proton | wow...'tis exciting in here |
| 07:36.44 | BZFlag | cvs is g0 now. I'm building and testing debian packages now |
| 07:36.56 | scanline | vogon: any progress? |
| 07:37.09 | BZFlag | still need to tag cvs, but that won't change the tarballs |
| 07:44.03 | captain_proton | scanline: got anything lying around with 3 conductors? :) |
| 07:44.26 | scanline | cat5 makes good speaker wire, unfortunately I don't have any extra |
| 07:44.48 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:46.19 | captain_proton | scanline: you gots a multimeter? :) |
| 07:46.25 | scanline | think so |
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| 07:58.53 | MrApathyCream | are we building the finals now? |
| 08:01.05 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: happy with CVS then? |
| 08:01.57 | captain_proton | BZFlag: we need a tagline for e8 |
| 08:03.14 | MrApathyCream | g0 |
| 08:03.20 | MrApathyCream | happy |
| 08:05.24 | scanline | "BZFlag g0 - It's happiness on a stick" |
| 08:05.25 | MrApathyCream | holy dancing monkeys :)_ |
| 08:06.43 | BZFlag | yeah, I thought it fit. ;-) |
| 08:07.07 | BZFlag | or are you proposing? that's the name I gave it in CVS. |
| 08:07.16 | MrApathyCream | saw it. |
| 08:10.19 | MrApathyCream | see we got gpl for man2html? |
| 08:10.33 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 08:16.17 | captain_proton | we're calling this one g0? |
| 08:16.24 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:16.28 | captain_proton | ahh ok |
| 08:17.04 | MrApathyCream | <ChangeLog>1.7g0 cause Tim got sick of e's and f's |
| 08:22.11 | scanline | captain_proton: is there anything wrong with using negative texture coordinates with GL_TEXTURE_GEN_*? |
| 08:22.55 | captain_proton | scanline: not that i know of |
| 08:23.22 | scanline | how about with GL_CLAMP? |
| 08:23.45 | captain_proton | so scanline, we've got till tuesday to come up with (an/some) impressive looking screenshot(s) |
| 08:24.12 | scanline | guess I'm pulling an all nighter or two and writing that ROAM/portal engine :) |
| 08:24.22 | vogon | scanline: sorry. I need to get around to setting up PicoGUI first. |
| 08:24.56 | scanline | vogon: ok. when you get around to it, the README has info on configuring pgserver |
| 08:25.11 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 08:25.15 | captain_proton | vogon is being sucked in |
| 08:25.18 | vogon | *nod* |
| 08:25.32 | scanline | captain_proton: right now I was just futzing with holographic trying to get the interference_line to appear only once |
| 08:26.14 | scanline | currently it's using a tall texture with GL_REPEAT, that just wraps around.. was planning on using GL_CLAMP instead so that all the texture coordinates except for where the line is are <0 or >1 |
| 08:26.53 | scanline | I can't just plot geometry only where the line is since this has to draw inside vertices calculated elsewhere |
| 08:27.33 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 08:29.04 | scanline | oh! |
| 08:29.15 | scanline | I'm not sign extending this correctly |
| 08:31.06 | scanline | one of these days I'll write an extension to the theme language to handle floating point... if lalo hasn't written a theme engine based on python by then |
| 08:35.38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: can i have one? |
| 08:35.49 | MrApathyCream | small or large? |
| 08:35.56 | captain_proton | large please |
| 08:36.02 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:36.02 | BZFlag | hmmm. |
| 08:36.10 | BZFlag | me too please. |
| 08:42.27 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 08:42.27 | BZFlag | upload away! ;-) |
| 08:43.05 | BZFlag | I'm doing tarball next... |
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| 08:46.51 | MrApathyCream | win32 posted |
| 08:46.56 | captain_proton | dalnet has resumed its normal crankiness |
| 08:47.43 | BZFlag | uploaded as bzflag17g0.exe ? |
| 08:47.54 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:53.50 | BZFlag | source is up. 37 people sent monitoring. ;-) |
| 08:55.24 | MrApathyCream | is that the same set as those listed for win32, or do i click the notify on that package too? |
| 08:55.31 | MrApathyCream | hmmm 39 there |
| 08:56.32 | lurgyman | ow |
| 08:56.33 | captain_proton | scanline: gah, you should know better |
| 08:56.47 | scanline | 1 actually equals 0x10000 |
| 08:56.53 | BZFlag | do a notify after everything else is right for each package type. |
| 08:57.04 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:58.16 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i have a request for a src rpm here |
| 08:58.22 | BZFlag | debian package in the spool. should showup in unstable on x86 tomorrow and other platforms over the next few days. |
| 08:58.31 | BZFlag | captain_proton: just finishing it... |
| 08:59.20 | MrApathyCream | ? wassa, sf builds different flavors or something? |
| 09:02.09 | scanline | captain_proton: didn't stop me last year :) |
| 09:02.18 | captain_proton | me either |
| 09:03.13 | BZFlag | captain_proton: noticed that my rpm gpg signing is broken, fixed and rebuilding. |
| 09:03.14 | lurgyman | "revert lag falling patch - Tim Riker, Dave Brosius" |
| 09:03.23 | lurgyman | did someone get a new bzflag magnetic poetry set? |
| 09:03.29 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:04.15 | BZFlag | ~fishslap lurgyman |
| 09:04.18 | | ACTION slaps lurgyman up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 09:04.53 | lurgyman | it burns! |
| 09:05.05 | BZFlag | captain_proton: redhat? wanna try my i386 rpm? (built on debian) |
| 09:05.12 | lurgyman | BZFlag: i will |
| 09:05.39 | lurgyman | BZFlag: proton's on gentoo |
| 09:06.03 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/tmp/bzflag-1.7g0-1.i386.rpm |
| 09:06.03 | scanline | haha! got it working ! |
| 09:06.12 | scanline | captain_proton: you'd puke at this code, but it works :) |
| 09:06.16 | captain_proton | scanline: heh |
| 09:06.17 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.19 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.21 | MrApathyCream | s'what's the next version # :) |
| 09:06.24 | lurgyman | downloading now... |
| 09:06.43 | captain_proton | scanline: umm, yikes |
| 09:07.52 | captain_proton | BZFlag: version# makes serverlist separate? |
| 09:08.05 | scanline | fixed point equivalent of "offset_y = (1 - t/4) * h * scale;" |
| 09:08.16 | scanline | err.. |
| 09:08.21 | scanline | stick a %1.0 in there somewhere |
| 09:08.38 | lurgyman | trying again |
| 09:08.49 | lurgyman | ~fishslap mozilla |
| 09:08.52 | | ACTION slaps mozilla up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 09:08.55 | lurgyman | *sniff* |
| 09:08.58 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 09:09.29 | scanline | ~fishslap XUL |
| 09:09.32 | | ACTION slaps XUL up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 09:10.20 | BZFlag | captain_proton: 1.x does, yeah. not the g0 portion though. |
| 09:10.54 | lurgyman | hmm... well, it don't work in rh7.3 because of glibc version issues |
| 09:11.22 | BZFlag | as I expected. I'll just upload the source and let someone else do the i386 release. |
| 09:11.38 | lurgyman | sounds like a plan |
| 09:12.50 | BZFlag | signed source rpm is up. |
| 09:15.28 | lurgyman | erm.... methinks someone forgot the 'z' option on tar with the source |
| 09:15.34 | BZFlag | one is now running g0 |
| 09:16.10 | BZFlag | lurgyman: nope. you just have a lame browser. |
| 09:16.27 | BZFlag | netscape and friends like to decompress the file but store it under the same name. |
| 09:16.29 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 09:16.38 | lurgyman | weird... it must be new in moz1.2 |
| 09:16.56 | BZFlag | 2498847 2002-12-08 01:49 /tmp/bzflag-1.7g0.tgz |
| 09:18.10 | BZFlag | so anyone on a stable redhat box with normal gfx card that can build the i386 rpm? |
| 09:18.12 | lurgyman | good then |
| 09:18.40 | lurgyman | does (shudder) voodoo3 count as a normal gfx card? |
| 09:18.54 | BZFlag | nope. rpm will think glide is required. |
| 09:20.02 | vogon | oh, man. ELF and Multiboot are a match made in heaven. |
| 09:20.24 | scanline | maybe I should make another theme for jetstream... |
| 09:20.31 | vogon | Multiboot passes a struct with info about the ELF section header, with members entitled "num", "size", "addr", and "shndx." |
| 09:20.46 | vogon | it says they correspond to the section header fields in the program header. |
| 09:20.55 | lurgyman | scanline: win31 theme |
| 09:21.04 | vogon | and beyond that, says nothing. |
| 09:21.08 | scanline | lurgyman: I already have some that are almost that bad |
| 09:21.47 | vogon | there are 3 entries regarding the section header in the program header, "e_shnum", "e_shentsize", and "e_shstrndx". |
| 09:21.54 | lurgyman | scanline: we don't want any 'almost' around here. get cracking. |
| 09:22.01 | scanline | :) |
| 09:22.06 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.09 | vogon | this is going to be a party. |
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| 09:28.45 | MrApathyCream | welp 4:30am here, nite all |
| 09:28.54 | BZFlag | nite. |
| 09:29.29 | vogon | nn. |
| 09:30.27 | captain_proton | this cable is beautiful |
| 09:32.03 | captain_proton | bwahaha, lurgyman confused gerbil |
| 09:32.21 | captain_proton | "get it today! the new and improved bzflag 1.7g0, now with mouse technology" |
| 09:34.25 | BZFlag | test http://bzflag.org/bzflag-1.7g0-1.i386.rpm |
| 09:34.39 | BZFlag | built on rh 7.3 |
| 09:34.43 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/blue_fire_ideas.png <-- how about a theme done in that style? |
| 09:35.29 | BZFlag | lurgyman: you still around? can you dl and test that one? |
| 09:37.54 | BZFlag | well I guess I'll upload it and then get comments if it's broken. ;-) |
| 09:51.03 | BZFlag | win32 has a dash, the other releases do not. |
| 09:59.00 | *** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 09:59.20 | *** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 10:06.51 | captain_proton | scanline: hmmmm |
| 10:08.25 | captain_proton | scanline: for sure |
| 10:09.39 | lurgyman | BZFlag: rpm works |
| 10:12.26 | vogon | dude, you know what's cool? |
| 10:12.34 | vogon | when the official spec lies to you. |
| 10:12.38 | scanline | liquid nitrogen |
| 10:12.49 | scanline | oh, that too... as long as the spec is in liquid nitrogen |
| 10:13.10 | vogon | Elf32_Word sh_size; <-- bullshit. I doubt you're going to limit people to 64K per code segment. |
| 10:13.25 | scanline | how is that 64k? |
| 10:13.34 | scanline | word != 16-bit |
| 10:13.47 | vogon | hmm. |
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| 10:13.53 | vogon | apparently, I did not read the type list. |
| 10:14.24 | vogon | carry on. |
| 10:14.30 | scanline | a word is usually the most efficient register size on a system, so on most 32-bit systems it's 32 bits |
| 10:14.47 | vogon | *nod* |
| 10:14.58 | scanline | in microsoft-land a word is 16-bit because of win16 :) |
| 10:15.04 | vogon | ahh. |
| 10:15.08 | vogon | that explains some stuff. |
| 10:15.53 | BZFlag | lurgyman: sweet! thanx! |
| 10:16.03 | vogon | well, I still consider myself ahead of the game as far as computers go. |
| 10:16.33 | vogon | got another year before I can have sex with 70% of the planet. |
| 10:17.06 | vogon | heh. |
| 10:17.14 | vogon | September of '85, here. |
| 10:17.20 | scanline | July '84 |
| 10:18.24 | captain_proton | hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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| 10:18.40 | captain_proton | walmart is an authorized SGI retailer |
| 10:18.43 | vogon | you scared [TeA]-__ off. |
| 10:18.45 | captain_proton | so you can special order anything |
| 10:18.46 | scanline | hehe |
| 10:18.49 | vogon | captain_proton: HAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHA. |
| 10:19.14 | lurgyman | April '84 |
| 10:19.33 | [TeA]-__ | ;) |
| 10:19.33 | vogon | "yeah, I'll take that shotgun, and an Octane 2." |
| 10:20.15 | vogon | hah. |
| 10:20.21 | lurgyman | s/BZFlat/BZFlag |
| 10:21.19 | lurgyman | why, i remember, back in -your- day... |
| 10:21.27 | lurgyman | i mean, -my- day |
| 10:21.32 | lurgyman | wait a minute... |
| 10:21.55 | vogon | hmm. time to hack up an implementation of strcmp(). |
| 10:22.09 | lurgyman | i'll make the giant muffin model |
| 10:22.16 | scanline | time to toss those silly polygon models out the window, I want a ship done entirely in bezier patches! |
| 10:22.25 | vogon | wow. |
| 10:22.30 | vogon | that'll be slower than Doom 3. |
| 10:22.34 | scanline | nah |
| 10:22.42 | lurgyman | no bezier patches |
| 10:22.44 | lurgyman | all points |
| 10:22.51 | vogon | yeah. |
| 10:22.53 | lurgyman | lots and lots of points |
| 10:23.05 | vogon | fuck all you 1+-dimensional losers. |
| 10:23.10 | scanline | vogon: I'll be using a way to spread out the geometry generation over time, like ROAM does |
| 10:23.30 | vogon | 0D 4 evah. |
| 10:23.56 | scanline | Based on seeing the games in action, I'd bet a lot of Game Cube games use procedural surfaces for the game's characters |
| 10:25.01 | scanline | http://www.sigrad.org/SIGRAD2001/Widmark.pdf |
| 10:25.52 | captain_proton | scanline: at some point, we'll probably need to render the characters - would be a good place :) |
| 10:26.12 | lurgyman | hmm, it'll be a while before i can read any files in post doc format |
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| 10:26.39 | strayer | hi :) |
| 10:26.58 | scanline | I'm thinking that a system with LOD handled in a priority queue like ROAM, but with data sources including fractals, a file, etc. and able to wrap itself onto a bezier surface would be ideal |
| 10:27.32 | scanline | you could use that for normal bezier patches by giving it a zero dataset, and it would use the same nifty LOD algorithm for the curve itself |
| 10:28.42 | scanline | hmm.. if we make every piece of the algorithm optional, you could just apply it to every surface in the game |
| 10:29.37 | lurgyman | eek |
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| 10:30.44 | lurgyman | (from the inside, of course) |
| 10:35.08 | BZFlag | well, night all. |
| 10:47.57 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm, what are you looking for in an artist? |
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| 10:49.20 | scanline | captain_proton: art |
| 10:49.31 | scanline | :) |
| 10:49.54 | scanline | I figured you'd have some ideas, since this was your idea in the first place :) |
| 10:51.18 | scanline | ooh, this is cool: |
| 10:51.21 | scanline | http://www.cs.sun.ac.za/~henri/diamondfeedback.html |
| 10:51.35 | captain_proton | scanline: haha you thought i had ideas? :) |
| 10:52.08 | scanline | Well, I guess somebody that wants to work on a game, can produce art that looks good but isn't cliche already |
| 10:52.25 | scanline | and someone that's alright with open sourcing it all |
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| 11:07.53 | scanline | captain_proton: one of the things I was starting to worry about with ROAM was how to draw the triangles efficiently, but that's exactly what Diamond solves :) |
| 11:07.59 | scanline | http://www.cs.sun.ac.za/~henri/diamondtests.html |
| 11:10.34 | scanline | http://www.cs.sun.ac.za/~henri/DiamondPaper.ps |
| 11:11.04 | scanline | a generalization of Diamond to three dimensions would be ultra-spiffy |
| 11:13.38 | vogon | ooh, it's Afflux today. |
| 11:14.26 | captain_proton | diamond also gives us tristrips on a silver platter, something thats a little tricky in ROAM |
| 11:14.35 | scanline | exactly |
| 11:14.54 | scanline | that diamondtests.html page is impressive |
| 11:15.02 | captain_proton | well, i've got to go to the lab at 2pm, so i should get to bed |
| 11:15.02 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 11:15.07 | scanline | g'night |
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| 14:05.19 | Chestal | grmpf |
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| 14:40.12 | ak|ra | moin |
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| 15:04.58 | [TeA]-_ | ibot ducati |
| 15:05.05 | [TeA]-_ | ? |
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| 15:47.13 | scanline | If a class only has a private destructor and constructor, does that ensure that other classes can't use new and delete on it? |
| 15:48.12 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 15:48.17 | scanline | thanks |
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| 15:48.32 | scanline | this should be really cool if it works |
| 15:48.51 | Chestal | hmm, I feel that this release was early again |
| 15:48.59 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 15:49.06 | Chestal | why can't we wait until a version has undergone some testing and all the rough edges have been removed? |
| 15:49.23 | scanline | because then it will still have rough edges |
| 15:49.32 | Chestal | ah, but there are some known issues |
| 15:49.36 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag told happypenguin today was the day |
| 15:49.38 | Chestal | now I'll have to run my own private patches version once more |
| 15:49.40 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 15:49.48 | Chestal | or we release 1.7g2 in a week or two |
| 15:49.58 | MrApathyCream | what issues? |
| 15:50.07 | Chestal | font/HUD sizes are not perfect |
| 15:50.27 | Chestal | migh tbe a godo idea to add a 3rd roaming labels state where they're white |
| 15:50.31 | Chestal | server is not working on windows obviously |
| 15:50.43 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.08 | MrApathyCream | yeah have heard about windows server issue, but can't really test here |
| 15:51.16 | Chestal | I just feel that we should let a version undergo some testing, after we made changes |
| 15:51.46 | Chestal | the way we do releases now, we could as well release CVS code anytime in-betwewen, no difference in quality |
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| 15:52.12 | MrApathyCream | any of the above issues aren't show stoppers tho |
| 15:52.59 | Chestal | well, no |
| 15:53.04 | Chestal | the release version is ok as is |
| 15:53.14 | Chestal | but it would have been better a week later |
| 15:53.28 | MrApathyCream | prolly |
| 15:53.33 | Chestal | and the changes aren't really tested |
| 15:53.55 | Chestal | I cannot use the new server version for the league |
| 15:54.00 | Chestal | because I cannot start a timed game manually |
| 15:54.36 | Chestal | I just feel that we should workmore with feedback from the community |
| 15:55.18 | MrApathyCream | i tried to get others to test the windows version pre-release, didn't get anyone to bite |
| 15:55.50 | Chestal | a few people tested the new version, but the quickest of those only had liek 2 days of time |
| 15:56.49 | Chestal | well, will talkto tim later I guess, I just do not understand why we had to release sosuddenly |
| 15:56.51 | MrApathyCream | if we could get to quarterly releases, it wouldn't be such a problem |
| 15:57.17 | MrApathyCream | i think he wanted the pub hit of happy penguin |
| 15:57.22 | Chestal | IMHO at least 1 or 2 week sbefore the release there should be no code changes except for small bug fixes |
| 15:58.10 | MrApathyCream | so was /countdown broken in the latest, or it never really worked? |
| 15:58.55 | Chestal | it broke some weeks/months ago |
| 15:59.02 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 15:59.08 | Chestal | Tim made some change so that jzaun rotatign server coudl work |
| 15:59.31 | Chestal | I didn't yet look at it. For /countdown to be useful, I need the countdown not to start automatically when the server is started |
| 15:59.41 | MrApathyCream | i see |
| 15:59.59 | Chestal | the easiest solution is to see g0 as a beta test, and we do a g2 release for xmas :-0 |
| 16:00.11 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 16:00.21 | Chestal | g2 looks more primising like g0 anyway :-) |
| 16:01.00 | MrApathyCream | i'm worried that we will bite too much in this next release |
| 16:01.17 | MrApathyCream | we need to calm ourselves down, and say 'we are going to release in 3 months or <' |
| 16:01.32 | MrApathyCream | We don't need to put every protocol breaking thing in this time |
| 16:01.43 | MrApathyCream | we can have a series of proto - breaking releases |
| 16:01.54 | MrApathyCream | --- this isn't banking software, or something -- |
| 16:02.02 | sussudio | yes! let's call them bzflag95, bzflag98 and bzflagME |
| 16:07.23 | Chestal | hmm, dalnet is crap these days,I cannot find a single working server |
| 16:07.49 | scanline | then once the hype has reached critical mass we can have Visual BZFlag2000XP++ |
| 16:08.45 | sussudio | Chestal: no, the little packet kiddies should be castrated and hung upside down on times square as an example to others... |
| 16:09.25 | Chestal | most server hsotnames point to the same ip which isn't working, grmpf |
| 16:09.56 | sussudio | packet.kiddies.packeting.dalnet. |
| 16:10.21 | Chestal | I wonder why the keyboard steering behaves so strange for me. Not that I use it, but it seems towork for everyone else |
| 16:10.26 | Chestal | I only get stuttered movement here |
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| 16:14.21 | MrApathyCream | never tried |
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| 16:31.14 | strayer | lalala :) |
| 16:31.43 | [dmp] | hello strayer |
| 16:31.50 | strayer | hi dmp |
| 16:32.27 | [dmp] | i currenly suck, and my mouse-batteries is almost dead, so i dont wanna go 1-on-1 :-) |
| 16:33.12 | strayer | hm....U could change Ur batts...for example :) |
| 16:35.52 | sussudio | what do you need a mouse for |
| 16:36.21 | strayer | sussudio: U drive with keys? |
| 16:36.23 | [dmp] | strayer: then i need to move my fat ass from this chair. And its weekend, so no way :) |
| 16:36.32 | sussudio | strayer: uh huh. |
| 16:37.21 | strayer | sussudio: to difficult for a simple one like me... |
| 16:37.51 | strayer | [dmp]: ok....now i understand Ur problem..hehe |
| 16:37.56 | [dmp] | :) |
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| 19:07.19 | Patlabor221 | bzdoug: you here? |
| 19:26.37 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton &| scanline : I have another ship model for you if you want, been looking up free/cheapass assets today, and found one that may work for ya |
| 19:35.46 | scanline | might work as another stand-in |
| 19:36.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what I'm thinking, just stuff to get you going till a real artist can be found |
| 19:36.31 | scanline | eventually we'll want one that's not made of polygons :) |
| 19:36.35 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/SpaceFighter01.zip |
| 19:36.53 | Patlabor221 | gonna go all surfs? |
| 19:36.59 | scanline | yeah |
| 19:37.14 | scanline | I'm working on a surface class that will be ubercool |
| 19:37.16 | Patlabor221 | polygons are surfaces |
| 19:37.23 | Patlabor221 | very very simple surfaces :) |
| 19:37.30 | scanline | yeah :) |
| 19:37.39 | Patlabor221 | make em b-rep solids :) |
| 19:38.32 | scanline | I think this generalized Diamond method I have in mind will work fine... if I have too much horsepower to spare I'll do realtime radiosity :) |
| 19:42.19 | scanline | this is going to be fun generalizing a terrain algorithm for arbitrary surfaces |
| 19:46.40 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.20 | Patlabor221 | log sb logo |
| 19:47.49 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:48.02 | Patlabor221 | what are you gonna use for a modeler to get surfs out? |
| 19:48.32 | scanline | not sure yet |
| 19:48.58 | scanline | There will be an in-game modeler with at least enough capability to build levels, it will be able to import things |
| 19:49.05 | Patlabor221 | format wize you are looking at stuff like iges |
| 19:49.05 | sussudio | g0 is stupidly unresponsive |
| 19:49.16 | Patlabor221 | OBJ suports some basic surfs |
| 19:49.31 | scanline | I should see if blender does surfs |
| 19:50.40 | Patlabor221 | I didn't recall that it did |
| 19:50.50 | scanline | yep, it has NURBS |
| 19:50.59 | Patlabor221 | there you go then |
| 19:51.05 | scanline | spiffy |
| 19:51.31 | Patlabor221 | wonder if it can export them as IGES |
| 19:51.43 | Patlabor221 | out CAD stuff does surfs |
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| 20:09.21 | anaconda_ | hi |
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| 20:20.17 | PerfectCell | howdy |
| 20:20.31 | Patlabor221 | still cowboying it? |
| 20:21.11 | PerfectCell | Paul Nettle is back with a new (his own) 3d studie max like plugin architecture |
| 20:22.00 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 20:22.18 | PerfectCell | as he writes it took jim 1 yer to write, and 100% work + 100% extra work |
| 20:22.43 | PerfectCell | look q flipcode daily gallary |
| 20:23.09 | Patlabor221 | what is it for tho? |
| 20:23.39 | PerfectCell | it is for 3d editing and level design for games |
| 20:23.48 | PerfectCell | character animation |
| 20:24.04 | Patlabor221 | so he made an editor app |
| 20:24.05 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 20:24.10 | PerfectCell | right |
| 20:24.20 | Patlabor221 | all you said was "3d studie max like plugin architecture" |
| 20:24.31 | PerfectCell | but he now searches for ppl to write plugind |
| 20:24.33 | Patlabor221 | but didn't say what the architecture was for |
| 20:24.52 | PerfectCell | oh, sorry |
| 20:25.00 | bzdoug | QUACK! |
| 20:25.08 | PerfectCell | hi |
| 20:25.35 | bzdoug | hi |
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| 20:26.20 | hardwire | :) |
| 20:26.27 | PerfectCell | http://www.openarchitect3d.org/ |
| 20:26.40 | hardwire | anybody have usb joysticks working with bzflag? |
| 20:26.51 | scanline | hey hardwire |
| 20:26.59 | hardwire | hey scanline |
| 20:27.18 | scanline | captain_proton had USB support working, I don't know if that was USB but it should be the same with linux's joystick drivers |
| 20:27.18 | hardwire | I just wanna get my huge pimp joystick workign with bzflag |
| 20:27.25 | scanline | s/USB support/joystick support/ |
| 20:27.27 | hardwire | and my little pimp one.. and a few other pimp ones too |
| 20:27.42 | sussudio | Akzeptieren Sie Schweinehund Salat fur das Zimmer? |
| 20:27.51 | sussudio | german, the wrong way, lesson 20 |
| 20:28.17 | bzdoug | hm |
| 20:28.18 | Patlabor221 | cell: sweet monkey jesus that is a fugly interface. |
| 20:28.42 | bzdoug | or akzeptieren |
| 20:28.47 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:28.47 | PerfectCell | Patlabor221: i think its k |
| 20:29.13 | Patlabor221 | look at that horible dialog bar in the right |
| 20:29.33 | Patlabor221 | and there are no words on the toolbar Icons, it's not like there's no room |
| 20:29.44 | Patlabor221 | deinatly a "math guy" interface |
| 20:29.54 | PerfectCell | i dont get the picture @ full resolution |
| 20:29.59 | PerfectCell | its too big |
| 20:30.03 | Patlabor221 | scrool |
| 20:30.04 | hardwire | void BzfWindow::initJoystick(const char* joystickName) |
| 20:30.04 | hardwire | { |
| 20:30.04 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.04 | hardwire | } |
| 20:30.04 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:30.10 | hardwire | well.. I guess its not supported :) |
| 20:30.24 | scanline | hardwire: I don't know if he's merged in that patch yet |
| 20:30.35 | PerfectCell | yes, now, woow it looks damn good |
| 20:30.40 | scanline | I saw captain_proton using a joystick in bzflag with my own eyes :) |
| 20:30.44 | Patlabor221 | I want to get the Steel Batalion controller to work with BZFlag |
| 20:31.04 | hardwire | scanline: :) well his name has been mentioned a few times.. when does he poke his head out? |
| 20:31.12 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: indeed |
| 20:31.22 | Patlabor221 | shout down the hall |
| 20:31.23 | scanline | he might be back in a few hours |
| 20:31.32 | hardwire | cause I could merge in libjsw support in like a few minutes of work |
| 20:31.34 | scanline | he was asleep, and planning on going to a lab that starts in 30 minutes |
| 20:31.35 | hardwire | everything in bzlfag is wrapped |
| 20:31.37 | hardwire | its so nice |
| 20:31.56 | scanline | i could ask his roommate |
| 20:31.59 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:31.59 | scanline | lurgyman: is captain_proton awake? |
| 20:33.12 | bzdoug | lurgyman is captain_proton's roommate? |
| 20:33.33 | bzdoug | hardwire: send it to me with you cant use it... it will be in a nice home |
| 20:33.45 | hardwire | scanline: btw.. I found a device I really really really love.. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=2071&pcount=&Product_Id=107727&Section.Section_Path=%2F%2FRoot%2FNostromo%2E%2E%2EingTools%2Fct_Id%3E |
| 20:33.54 | Patlabor221 | still pales in comparison to the steel batalion contoler |
| 20:34.06 | hardwire | bzdoug: I use it for controlling underwwater ROV's |
| 20:34.11 | scanline | hehe, neat |
| 20:34.13 | hardwire | but on my off time I wanna use it to destroy things |
| 20:34.24 | bzdoug | hardwire: kewl |
| 20:34.30 | hardwire | scanline: that is a joystick with a dpad and a single axis throttle control |
| 20:34.42 | hardwire | I wrote py-joyx (on freshmeat) to turn joystick events into keyboard events |
| 20:34.50 | PerfectCell | Patlabor221:the toolbar buttons are self explaining, and maybe have tooltips :) |
| 20:34.51 | hardwire | much cleaner than joy2key |
| 20:35.23 | Patlabor221 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/docs/sbstick.jpg |
| 20:35.30 | hardwire | its nice having that speedpad.. I have different modes for it.. its nice being able to control your window manager/mosue/keyboard with it |
| 20:35.42 | hardwire | Patlabor221: yeah.. |
| 20:35.46 | hardwire | Patlabor221: I don't own an xbox |
| 20:35.49 | hardwire | I never will |
| 20:35.53 | hardwire | but I am buying that game |
| 20:36.09 | hardwire | because that would control the rov + a few cameras and other controls with feedback via evdev |
| 20:36.26 | Patlabor221 | it's USB |
| 20:36.30 | hardwire | yeah :) |
| 20:36.46 | hardwire | using evdev I could figure out the event types and control the lights on it :) |
| 20:37.05 | jpablo | darn i want thoses pedals, i can use thoses as ctrl, alt, meta ... |
| 20:37.12 | hardwire | MWA HA HA |
| 20:37.18 | Patlabor221 | some people are allready making drivers for regular x-box controll pads |
| 20:37.28 | hardwire | I use the speedpad for w-a-s-d quake style controls |
| 20:37.48 | hardwire | its also nice being able to move the throttle wheel all the way back and be in crouch mode on games that let you crouch |
| 20:38.23 | hardwire | Patlabor221: basically I just need to map all the event types and use it as an event interface vs a joystick interface |
| 20:38.32 | Patlabor221 | ya |
| 20:38.42 | hardwire | I made some fun multicast oriented control channels for the rov |
| 20:38.55 | hardwire | so anybody with a joystick anywhere can run a local program.. and come in and controll the ROV |
| 20:39.28 | hardwire | just have to make an event to network controll program vs a joystick to network one |
| 20:39.55 | hardwire | soon.. so very sooooon.. I will know enough stuffins to make a joystick loopback device.. then you can reprogram joysticks :) like make button d-pads into axis and so forth.. that will make me happy |
| 20:41.12 | hardwire | I started up d2x with all my joysticks I use for the ROV project.. d2x crashed but before that it told me why.. it coalliated all the buttons and axis I have and freaked out.. I had somethign like 24 axis and 100 something buttons |
| 20:41.32 | PerfectCell | i need a laptop with geforce 4 |
| 20:41.42 | Patlabor221 | they make them |
| 20:41.58 | hardwire | :( |
| 20:43.15 | PerfectCell | maybe Santa Claus wil give me 1 |
| 20:43.38 | captain_proton | hardwire: regarding joystick: i need to merge my changes with the latest code, then i'll be making a giant commit to CVS |
| 20:43.48 | PerfectCell | then i will setup .net server 2003 |
| 20:44.49 | hardwire | captain_proton: ok.. can it handle 8 axis joysticks? |
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| 20:48.55 | captain_proton | hardwire: right now all it does is 2-axis - its mapped pretty much just like the mouse is |
| 20:49.30 | scanline | dunno what you'd do with the extra axes in bzflag... you could have it look around, but that might be considered cheating |
| 20:49.33 | captain_proton | and, uh |
| 20:49.43 | captain_proton | how do you have 8 axes? |
| 20:50.26 | hardwire | suppose I have an 8 axis joystick :) |
| 20:50.36 | hardwire | http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x45.htm |
| 20:51.25 | hardwire | basically it would be nice to use more than axis 0 and 1 |
| 20:51.33 | captain_proton | i don't see it saying 8 axes... |
| 20:51.38 | hardwire | like 4 and 5 to represent pan and tilt |
| 20:51.49 | hardwire | captain_proton: need proof? |
| 20:51.56 | captain_proton | hardwire: pan and tilt don't really -exist- in bzflag.... |
| 20:52.02 | hardwire | sorry |
| 20:52.03 | hardwire | left and right |
| 20:52.19 | captain_proton | however, i *was* planning to implement dual-joystick support ala the original battlezone |
| 20:52.32 | hardwire | heh! |
| 20:52.47 | hardwire | axis 4 = throttle.. 5 = left/right |
| 20:52.50 | hardwire | that would be nice |
| 20:53.26 | captain_proton | axis 1 = left/right, axis 2 = forward/back, "throttle" is just how far you push the joystick |
| 20:53.57 | hardwire | captain_proton: yeah.. I use all 8 axis I have to control an underwater ROV.. I think I can grok what throttle is |
| 20:54.39 | captain_proton | hardwire: it doesn't really make sense to use more axes because of bzflag's 2.5D nature |
| 20:55.06 | scanline | captain_proton: oh yeah.. now that you're awake I can disgust you |
| 20:55.10 | scanline | real-time radiosity! |
| 20:55.21 | hardwire | like I have been trying to explain.. it would be nice to map the 2 basic movement functions to axis other than 0 and 1 |
| 20:55.38 | captain_proton | scanline: hrmph |
| 20:55.40 | hardwire | I suppose I can if I just modify whatever it is you are pushing |
| 20:56.14 | scanline | captain_proton: I'm not sure if it's possible, but I have some ideas... and I'm going to at least try to do it |
| 20:56.15 | captain_proton | hardwire: well, the code to do that is pretty simple - i'm not going to add it because there's really no need for it - but feel free to patch your own source once i commit |
| 20:57.14 | hardwire | anyhoot .. back to my ass backwards democratic society |
| 21:15.53 | PerfectCell | i heard that amazon pays till 15% of a product to you if bought by someone that comes from your site |
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