| 00:04.44 | captain_proton | well your keyboard works, it just can't recognize keys in the upper left, correct? |
| 00:05.14 | scanline | yeah.. including the number 2, I think "e", F2, and F3 |
| 00:05.53 | scanline | I'd rather use an external USB keyboard than use the current one |
| 00:06.34 | scanline | apparently you can get them from apple for $140, and there are some on ebay with Buy It Now (tm) for around $100 |
| 00:07.57 | sussudio | cant you use a $10 pc usb kb |
| 00:08.21 | scanline | I already have a USB keyboard, but it's kind of awkward to use that with a laptop... |
| 00:09.04 | sussudio | why dont they keys work |
| 00:09.35 | scanline | I disassembled the laptop to upgrade the hard disk, and somewhere along the way the keyboard broke.. I'm still not exactly sure where the keyboard is broken |
| 00:09.46 | captain_proton | 'tis a shame you didn't bring it up earlier |
| 00:09.53 | scanline | oh? |
| 00:09.54 | captain_proton | i have a dell usb keyboard sitting right here |
| 00:10.03 | scanline | I have a USB keyboard already... |
| 00:10.07 | captain_proton | ohh missed that |
| 00:10.26 | captain_proton | just use a character picker for all the broken keys |
| 00:10.43 | captain_proton | (quite the coding-conducive environment) |
| 00:10.53 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:10.56 | scanline | indeed |
| 00:11.35 | scanline | well.. time for my family to drag me to wal-mart... bbl |
| 00:12.04 | captain_proton | haha walmart |
| 00:33.16 | captain_proton | scanline: svn is down for a couple hours as we debug a router issue |
| 00:34.01 | scanline | captain_proton: no problem.. I was doing some big reorganizations to Surface so it will be a little while before I need to commit |
| 00:38.47 | scanline | well, apparently we're actually leaving for wal-mart now |
| 00:38.47 | scanline | bbl |
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| 03:39.26 | bzdougg | Authorization Required |
| 03:39.26 | bzdougg | Trespassers will be shot. |
| 03:39.26 | bzdougg | Survivors will be shot again. |
| 03:39.26 | bzdougg | Have a Nice Day |
| 03:42.52 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 03:42.56 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
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| 03:44.14 | xxxxxxxxxxxxx | hi dose anyone have any bzflag files to improve the grapics? |
| 03:46.23 | xxxxxxxxxxxxx | go suck my dick u faigs |
| 03:46.30 | sussudio | there you go. |
| 03:46.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b xxxxxxxxxxxxx!*@*] by BZFlag |
| 03:46.35 | sussudio | he's been here before. |
| 03:46.51 | sussudio | he stalks bzflag servers, begging for admin status "so he can kick people" |
| 03:46.53 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 03:47.24 | Patlabor221 | thank you |
| 03:47.39 | sussudio | Patlabor221 was fooling enough to attempt to help him a while ago |
| 03:47.50 | sussudio | i think he still regrets that. greatly. |
| 03:47.54 | Patlabor221 | boy can't even edit a shortcut |
| 03:48.21 | Patlabor221 | tho he uses a web client so I don't know how well the ban will stick |
| 03:49.41 | sussudio | until he adds another x |
| 03:51.37 | captain_proton | if we ban all nicks that are x* he probably won't figure it out |
| 03:52.03 | sussudio | maybe |
| 03:53.30 | captain_proton | hey sure |
| 03:53.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b xxx*!*@*] by captain_proton |
| 03:55.51 | Patlabor221 | be neat if you could auto kick at a certan lameness rating |
| 04:31.44 | scanline | if we could get ibot to autodetect misspelled insults, that would be a good metric |
| 04:32.08 | captain_proton | augh |
| 04:32.18 | captain_proton | how do they expect people to use openal when their examples suck so much? |
| 04:44.14 | scanline | Is this the very short example on the web site, or the examples included with the reference implementation? |
| 04:44.38 | captain_proton | most of the examples in the web site are like that |
| 04:44.55 | scanline | there are a lot of examples in openal/linux/test in the sample implementation |
| 04:46.01 | scanline | just glancing at them they seem pretty straightforward |
| 04:46.45 | captain_proton | hm |
| 04:47.34 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:47.35 | captain_proton | real food... |
| 04:52.30 | scanline | This quadtree is even more of a mess of pointers than picogui's divtree... |
| 04:52.51 | captain_proton | what are you using a quadtree for? |
| 04:52.53 | captain_proton | diamond? |
| 04:52.56 | scanline | yes |
| 04:53.49 | scanline | each node has one parent pointer, 3 neighbor pointers, and 4 child pointers.. and somewhere along the line I'm not setting them correctly |
| 05:01.48 | scanline | hmm.. won't download |
| 05:02.30 | scanline | oh? |
| 05:02.38 | captain_proton | 'noir' |
| 05:03.10 | jzaun | anyone know how to take a RGB color and use it in glColor3i? |
| 05:03.56 | scanline | you probably want glColor3ub instead |
| 05:04.03 | scanline | or glColor3f |
| 05:06.08 | jzaun | thanks |
| 05:09.15 | captain_proton | heh |
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| 05:42.44 | MrApathyCream | awl |
| 05:53.51 | captain_proton | but pascal is the bestest language ever |
| 05:55.43 | captain_proton | whats that? |
| 05:56.02 | scanline | I was making an assumption about which sides of the triangles are touching that I shouldn't have |
| 05:57.59 | sussudio | "i want to upgrade my kernel" |
| 05:58.05 | sussudio | me: "why" |
| 05:58.07 | sussudio | "because there's a new one" |
| 05:58.13 | captain_proton | hah |
| 05:58.14 | sussudio | me: "is your system working?" |
| 05:58.19 | sussudio | "yes, it's working fine" |
| 05:58.28 | sussudio | me: "why do you want to upgrade your kernel?" |
| 05:58.32 | sussudio | "because there's a new one" |
| 05:58.33 | sussudio | ... |
| 06:02.46 | captain_proton | Segmentation fault |
| 06:04.37 | captain_proton | scanline: svn working now? |
| 06:05.28 | scanline | yeah |
| 06:09.49 | captain_proton | does your copy run (rip sg1) without segfaults? |
| 06:10.19 | scanline | if it compiled it might |
| 06:10.35 | scanline | I'm doing some big (which DVD?) reorganizations right now |
| 06:10.55 | captain_proton | ahh i (season 2 disk 1 i think) see |
| 06:11.27 | scanline | Just comment out whatever's segfaulting (alrighty) if you feel compelled to do OpenAL stuff |
| 06:11.35 | captain_proton | (starting with whatever episode is after the one where the explode the ships) |
| 06:12.43 | scanline | (that would be the season premiere) |
| 06:14.17 | scanline | (ripping...) |
| 06:15.44 | captain_proton | google is smart |
| 06:15.48 | captain_proton | Did you mean to search for: opengl tutorial |
| 06:15.58 | captain_proton | no i did not! |
| 06:16.17 | scanline | didn't find those examples in the source helpful? |
| 06:16.40 | captain_proton | i haven't located those yet |
| 06:16.57 | scanline | they're in the reference implementation source.. but if you can't find that I can tar up my copy |
| 06:17.07 | captain_proton | oh i'm sure i can find it |
| 06:22.44 | scanline | transcoding |
| 06:22.47 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:22.52 | captain_proton | synchronized underwater basket weaving |
| 06:23.01 | scanline | openal example? |
| 06:26.45 | captain_proton | my mom is such a wonderful person |
| 06:26.57 | captain_proton | she secretly bought coke last weekend :) |
| 06:27.02 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:27.27 | vogon | my mom ranted for 2 hours on gender inequity, then smacked me upside the head with my (hardbound) Stroustrup when I showed disinterest in listening. |
| 06:27.56 | captain_proton | ewww pepsi |
| 06:28.03 | vogon | amen. |
| 06:28.06 | scanline | I picked up some mountain dew and cherry coke while at walmart |
| 06:28.23 | scanline | I used to really like diet pepsi for some strange reason.. though now I won't touch the stuff |
| 06:30.24 | sussudio | "I'll have a pizza with extra cheese and grease, large fries AND A DIET PEPSI" |
| 06:30.48 | scanline | sussudio: that's my family in a nutshell |
| 06:30.48 | vogon | yeah. |
| 06:31.15 | captain_proton | its sort of like a decaf latte with skim milk - the guy at my closest-by coffee shop calls it the 'why bother' |
| 06:31.26 | sussudio | pepsi max tastes like black water laced with penicilline |
| 06:31.36 | vogon | captain_proton: haha. |
| 06:31.42 | vogon | captain_proton: best coffee shop ever. |
| 06:31.53 | captain_proton | ehhhh |
| 06:31.55 | captain_proton | they're pretty good |
| 06:32.02 | vogon | no. |
| 06:32.08 | captain_proton | the shop in the engineering center is better |
| 06:32.08 | vogon | "why bother" makes them the best ever. |
| 06:32.25 | vogon | didn't say "best coffee ever". |
| 06:32.30 | captain_proton | vogon: i know this is an unusual concept, but i judge coffee shops based on the quality of their coffee |
| 06:32.35 | vogon | meh. |
| 06:33.14 | captain_proton | hmmm...coffee |
| 06:51.12 | captain_proton | hey look |
| 06:51.15 | captain_proton | i passed all my classes |
| 06:51.52 | captain_proton | go for it |
| 06:52.10 | scanline | wow look.. all the classes I've got grades for so far are C's |
| 06:52.23 | scanline | not too bad considering how little effort I put into this semester... |
| 06:53.40 | captain_proton | oop |
| 06:53.45 | captain_proton | new twilight zone episode to watch |
| 06:54.02 | scanline | sg1 about halfway ripped |
| 06:54.30 | scanline | s/ripped/transcoded/ |
| 06:58.13 | captain_proton | wtf |
| 06:58.39 | captain_proton | "it may take us a little more time to learn it, but we've got the one thing only time can provide - mayonnaise" |
| 07:02.01 | captain_proton | hahahahahahaha this episode is hilarious |
| 07:07.08 | scanline | =) |
| 07:13.35 | captain_proton | in 1:36 you have to watch this |
| 07:14.28 | scanline | are you sending it to navi? |
| 07:14.51 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 07:15.07 | captain_proton | "today's our seventeeth wedding throw rug and i'm taking her out to dinner" |
| 07:55.19 | captain_proton | augh |
| 07:55.33 | captain_proton | script kiddie invasion on one of the channels i hang out in |
| 08:00.03 | scanline | sg1 episode is copying to navi |
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| 08:10.50 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZPuzzle.html |
| 08:10.50 | captain_proton | welcome to OpenSplits.net |
| 08:10.55 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you need to add 'nooooom' and 'uiuiuiuiuiui' |
| 08:10.56 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:30.12 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: come to the decks! |
| 08:37.45 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:40.55 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: sheesh. got time on your hands? |
| 08:41.26 | MrApathyCream | heh |
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| 08:41.34 | MrApathyCream | program did it |
| 08:41.54 | MrApathyCream | course, i did waste time writing it |
| 08:42.25 | ak|ra | moin |
| 08:42.27 | MrApathyCream | when your 72, you got nothing but time (or 10yr as the case may be) |
| 08:45.16 | MrApathyCream | re |
| 08:56.07 | fiberchunks | heya MAC, you up? |
| 08:57.23 | MrApathyCream | im up |
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| 08:59.54 | fiberchunks | finished it -- like the puzzle :) |
| 09:00.04 | MrApathyCream | work out ok? |
| 09:00.34 | fiberchunks | yeah, I think so -- I use lines instead of circles -- so I may have grabbed the wrong letters for the message, but I was able to decipher it |
| 09:00.46 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 09:00.55 | fiberchunks | how long did that take you? |
| 09:01.04 | MrApathyCream | bout 10 mins |
| 09:01.10 | fiberchunks | generated? |
| 09:01.15 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 09:01.32 | MrApathyCream | just had to message the message |
| 09:01.39 | fiberchunks | I love word searches and the 'scramble' thing in the paper -- much fun |
| 09:02.04 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 09:02.39 | MrApathyCream | bedtime |
| 09:02.44 | fiberchunks | gnite |
| 09:14.09 | captain_proton | scanline: awake? |
| 09:14.12 | scanline | yep |
| 09:14.19 | scanline | just started watching the episode you sent me |
| 09:14.41 | scanline | the next episode of sg1 is 3/4 of the way transcoded |
| 09:15.03 | captain_proton | that episode hasn't completed, i had to resume the transfer |
| 09:15.10 | scanline | oh |
| 09:15.12 | captain_proton | 30 minutes =P |
| 09:16.04 | captain_proton | its a coooool episode |
| 09:16.13 | captain_proton | "big litter for a small dog like an encyclopedia" |
| 09:16.49 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:17.11 | scanline | are you downloading "in the line of duty"? |
| 09:18.04 | captain_proton | no, right now i'm downloading an evangelion episode |
| 09:18.14 | scanline | ok. I'll recompress it then, I forgot to deinterlace |
| 09:53.27 | captain_proton | its done uploading |
| 09:54.49 | scanline | cool |
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| 10:01.11 | scanline | hehe.. 17th wedding throwrug |
| 10:01.21 | captain_proton | :) |
| 10:01.34 | scanline | ibot: spell mayonaise |
| 10:01.35 | | possible spellings for mayonaise: mayonnaise |
| 10:05.25 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || "We have the one thing that only time can provide - mayonnaise" |
| 10:05.39 | scanline | yay! |
| 10:07.18 | scanline | haha.. did he just say "open the iris" instead of "pick up the phone" or am I having SG1 hallucinations? |
| 10:07.35 | captain_proton | thats what it sounded like to me but i think it was something else |
| 10:07.56 | scanline | group hallucinations.. yay |
| 10:08.20 | BZFlag | anyone have ttt divx yet? just curious. |
| 10:08.27 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a212-113-187-169.netcabo.pt) |
| 10:08.31 | captain_proton | you're hallucinating...you're hallucinating...put down the gun |
| 10:08.54 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i've been meaning to start looking for a screener copy but haven't found the motivation to stray into the movie channels on dalnet |
| 10:09.06 | scanline | this must have been a pain to subtitle |
| 10:10.48 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 10:10.54 | captain_proton | how did it get to be 3:15 already? |
| 10:11.08 | scanline | a white hole, spewing time |
| 10:11.20 | captain_proton | a white hole? |
| 10:11.26 | scanline | what is it? |
| 10:11.38 | captain_proton | i've never seen anything like it before, noone has. |
| 10:11.50 | scanline | I think we've reached the middle of this conversation |
| 10:11.54 | captain_proton | what is it? |
| 10:12.32 | captain_proton | lets see how much of it i can spew |
| 10:12.41 | captain_proton | what is it? |
| 10:12.54 | captain_proton | i've never seen anything like it before, noone has. i believe its a white hole |
| 10:13.00 | captain_proton | a white hole? |
| 10:13.18 | captain_proton | (augh) |
| 10:14.30 | scanline | what is it? |
| 10:14.38 | captain_proton | someone kick him |
| 10:14.53 | scanline | ~red dwarf |
| 10:15.08 | scanline | ibot: red dwarf? |
| 10:15.10 | | scanline: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:15.28 | scanline | oh no! |
| 10:16.18 | captain_proton | ibot: red dwarf is <reply>i'm fine, thank you susan |
| 10:16.20 | | okay, captain_proton |
| 10:16.39 | captain_proton | scanline: ibot has been gaining ~emulate entries :) |
| 10:16.45 | scanline | yay |
| 10:17.01 | scanline | I'm glad some of PicoBot's personality is rubbing off :) |
| 10:17.10 | scanline | ~emulate captain_proton |
| 10:17.12 | | ACTION watches old sci-fi and contemplates an evil plot |
| 10:17.22 | scanline | ~emulate scanline |
| 10:17.24 | | ACTION drinks pepsi and writes weird code or grows a beard or cooks some ramen noodles or takes a "short nap" and returns 12 hours later |
| 10:17.26 | captain_proton | (it just fit too well) |
| 10:17.33 | scanline | indeed |
| 10:17.50 | scanline | ibot: emulate scanline =~ s/beard/"beard"/ |
| 10:17.50 | | OK, scanline |
| 10:18.21 | captain_proton | hmm...scanline with a beard... |
| 10:19.16 | scanline | :) |
| 10:20.08 | captain_proton | i really want to track down noir now |
| 10:20.08 | scanline | should be in /navi/public/media/images/backgrounds/evangelion* |
| 10:20.29 | captain_proton | apparently the main character is an assasin...with a host of emotional problems |
| 10:20.47 | scanline | ibot: emulate lister is <reply> and what the smeg does "howdy doodly doo" mean? |
| 10:20.49 | | scanline: okay |
| 10:21.23 | scanline | ibot: emulate toasty is <reply> ah, so you're a waffle man! |
| 10:21.25 | | scanline: okay |
| 10:21.38 | captain_proton | ibot: emulate rimmer is <reply>according to space directive 1172, emulating other crew members is a court-marshallable offense |
| 10:21.39 | | okay, captain_proton |
| 10:21.46 | scanline | hehe |
| 10:23.05 | scanline | ah, this episode has so many great quotes in it |
| 10:26.30 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 10:26.39 | captain_proton | asuka is a more screwed up girl than they led me to believe |
| 10:27.36 | scanline | it's pretty safe to assume every character is rather screwed up until proven otherwise |
| 10:29.12 | scanline | And do you know why we can't hear anything? Because there are no sounds to hear! |
| 10:31.22 | captain_proton | did you finish reencoding that episode? |
| 10:31.48 | scanline | nyet.. I decided to do a higher quality encode with 2-pass and deinterlacing |
| 10:35.23 | scanline | It's just not possible to fry an egg using a bicycle powered hair dryer! |
| 10:35.49 | captain_proton | my sister has confused so many people with that line |
| 10:35.56 | scanline | hehe |
| 10:36.16 | captain_proton | she'll just go up to a random friend who hasn't seen the show and hit them with it |
| 10:36.54 | captain_proton | oofa |
| 10:38.00 | scanline | so what is it? |
| 10:38.18 | captain_proton | only joking |
| 10:38.29 | scanline | I've never see one before, noone has, but I'm guessing it's a white hole |
| 10:38.34 | scanline | a white hole? |
| 10:38.59 | scanline | Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. A black hole sucks time and matter out of the universe, a white hole returns it |
| 10:39.07 | scanline | something spewing time back into the universe? |
| 10:39.08 | scanline | precisely |
| 10:39.23 | scanline | that's why we're experiencing these curious time phenomena on-board |
| 10:39.27 | scanline | so what is it? |
| 10:39.33 | scanline | I've never see one before, noone has, but I'm guessing it's a white hole |
| 10:39.37 | scanline | a white hole? |
| 10:39.41 | scanline | Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. A black hole sucks time and matter out of the universe, a white hole returns it |
| 10:40.01 | scanline | and that thing's spewing time back into the universe? |
| 10:40.14 | scanline | precisely. that's why we're experiencing these curious time phenomena on-board |
| 10:40.23 | scanline | what time phenomena? |
| 10:40.33 | scanline | like just then, when time repeated itself |
| 10:40.38 | scanline | so what is it? |
| 10:40.45 | scanline | only joking |
| 10:40.58 | scanline | ok, so it's decided then: we consult holly |
| 10:41.10 | scanline | hey wait a minute, I missed the discussion! |
| 10:41.14 | scanline | we all did |
| 10:41.34 | scanline | time is occurring in random pockets. The laws of causality no longer apply, an action no longer leads to a consequence |
| 10:41.39 | scanline | so what is it? |
| 10:41.52 | scanline | I think we've experienced this period of time before, sir |
| 10:41.53 | scanline | only joking |
| 10:41.54 | scanline | and that one |
| 10:42.17 | scanline | since we're no longer effected by the laws of causality, we can override these time jumps if we concentrate |
| 10:42.27 | scanline | look, the only way out of this is to consult holly |
| 10:42.31 | scanline | I'll go with that |
| 10:42.32 | scanline | gets my vote |
| 10:42.44 | scanline | ok, so it's decided then: we consult holly |
| 10:42.57 | scanline | ah, I think we've just encountered the middle of this conversation |
| 10:43.03 | scanline | so what is it? |
| 10:43.08 | captain_proton | =) |
| 10:43.09 | scanline | oh someone punch him out! |
| 10:43.15 | captain_proton | heey look |
| 10:43.20 | captain_proton | i've got OpenAL code |
| 10:43.25 | scanline | amazing |
| 10:45.18 | scanline | That planet is off the table, into someone's pint of beer |
| 10:45.33 | scanline | ibot: seen lurgyman? |
| 10:45.40 | | lurgyman <~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 23h 42m 58s ago, saying: 'but long'. |
| 10:45.46 | captain_proton | lurgyman is offline for break |
| 10:45.51 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 10:45.53 | captain_proton | mostly |
| 10:45.54 | scanline | darn |
| 10:46.22 | captain_proton | his computer is completely offline and there's serious talk of upgrading the family computer to a 56k modem |
| 10:47.02 | scanline | I tell you what, I have never once seen him lose a ball down one of them holes! |
| 10:47.19 | captain_proton | best way to play pool |
| 10:47.34 | scanline | Is nicely drunk horizontal or perpendicular? |
| 10:47.43 | scanline | I'm not gonna mish! |
| 10:47.52 | scanline | I am not pished! |
| 10:49.50 | captain_proton | hm, sound manager should probably be singleton |
| 10:50.07 | scanline | prolly, considering the way the OpenAL context works |
| 10:50.24 | scanline | wonder whatever happened to that extension to read back audio from the openal device |
| 10:51.42 | vogon | heh. |
| 10:52.00 | captain_proton | wow, a whole 4 people on #openal |
| 10:52.13 | vogon | one of whom is me. |
| 10:52.30 | captain_proton | scanline: is that like 'where the wild things are' ? |
| 10:52.54 | scanline | cloudy with a chance of buffers |
| 10:53.40 | scanline | hey... "in the line of duty" is on to the second pass |
| 10:53.51 | scanline | ETA is about an hour |
| 10:55.10 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 10:55.45 | scanline | hopefully this one will be of a quality worthy of 300MB |
| 10:56.27 | captain_proton | bah @ slashdot linux bigots |
| 10:56.39 | vogon | captain_proton: omg url |
| 10:56.55 | captain_proton | vogon: http://www.slashdot.org/ |
| 10:57.07 | BZFlag | ~slashdot |
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| 10:57.10 | vogon | captain_proton: no, the URL to the comment. |
| 10:57.26 | captain_proton | vogon: i'm making a broad sweeping generalization |
| 10:57.30 | vogon | ahh. |
| 10:57.41 | scanline | slashdot commenters in general... blehhh |
| 10:57.57 | captain_proton | lets get rid of X because my window manager is slow! |
| 10:58.39 | scanline | or even better... "let's get rid of X because I can't figure out how it works!" |
| 10:59.07 | captain_proton | can -anybody- really figure out how X works? |
| 10:59.08 | vogon | heh. |
| 10:59.22 | captain_proton | :) |
| 10:59.32 | scanline | well, from a user standpoint... the internals are only known by a few select gurus |
| 10:59.40 | scanline | kinda like picogui =) |
| 11:00.01 | captain_proton | yawn |
| 11:00.33 | captain_proton | scanline: you'd be impressed with the sound manager in its current state |
| 11:00.41 | scanline | oh? |
| 11:00.46 | captain_proton | SoundManager() and ~SoundManager() |
| 11:00.52 | scanline | coooool |
| 11:01.03 | captain_proton | and so useful |
| 11:01.09 | scanline | probably compiles better than my working copy of Surface though... |
| 11:01.35 | scanline | hrm.. can't find any recent archives of the openal mailing list |
| 11:02.09 | captain_proton | hm, haven't tried compiling it yet |
| 11:03.21 | scanline | Xft.. what a nice hack... |
| 11:07.38 | captain_proton | ok, bedtime as soon as this song is over |
| 11:07.52 | scanline | g'night |
| 11:08.28 | captain_proton | hmpfh |
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| 11:10.45 | scanline | still haven't got something that compiles... and I think I'm too tired to finish it tonigh |
| 11:10.50 | scanline | so... bedtime |
| 11:12.05 | captain_proton | jetstream...conveniently distributed on 9 CDs |
| 11:12.27 | ak|ra | shouldnt jetstream be the "small" thing? |
| 11:12.30 | ak|ra | "picogui" ? |
| 11:12.38 | ak|ra | :) |
| 11:13.00 | captain_proton | ak|ra: we're gonna have several planets worth of data |
| 11:13.03 | scanline | picogui's only a small part of jetstream, so jetstream's free to be bigger... |
| 11:13.27 | captain_proton | only you can prevent creeping featurism! |
| 11:13.34 | captain_proton | 'night fellas |
| 11:13.35 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:19.25 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 11:57.43 | [dmp] | ibot ducati ffa |
| 11:57.45 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 11:58.45 | [dmp] | chestal: we got a flying/jumping cheater on ducati :( (querty_keyboard or something) |
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| 12:35.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot seen bomber |
| 12:35.46 | | bomber <~bomber@ap97.physik.uni-frankfurt.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 21h 20m 11s ago, saying: ':o)'. |
| 12:38.10 | *** join/#bzflag remco (~remco@seesink.kabel.utwente.nl) |
| 12:39.01 | remco | He dmp, are you in? |
| 12:39.06 | [dmp] | yeaj |
| 12:39.12 | [dmp] | ^Hh |
| 12:39.14 | remco | Hi |
| 12:39.17 | [dmp] | hi |
| 12:39.20 | remco | Wann practice some? |
| 12:39.35 | [dmp] | i've just left ducati :) |
| 12:39.40 | [dmp] | check you email |
| 12:39.44 | remco | Ah... |
| 12:39.46 | remco | ok |
| 12:40.06 | remco | I did |
| 12:40.14 | remco | Just writing my timetabel |
| 12:40.21 | remco | I missed yesterday sry... |
| 12:40.26 | [dmp] | wheehee, the list works then :) |
| 12:40.30 | [dmp] | i did too, forgot it :) |
| 12:41.09 | remco | I'll finish the timetable... Wanna play now or had enough? |
| 12:42.07 | [dmp] | i had enough. I neeed to go xmas shopping |
| 12:42.14 | remco | Ok |
| 12:42.20 | [dmp] | but i think terra is still only on ducati |
| 12:42.32 | remco | I'll join now. cu later |
| 12:42.42 | [dmp] | later |
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| 12:59.49 | rooter | good morning all |
| 12:59.56 | rooter | or afternoone |
| 13:00.21 | [dmp] | hi |
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| 14:11.04 | *** join/#bzflag stayer (~s-t-r-a-y@pD9E1AA85.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:11.38 | stayer | hi |
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| 14:19.57 | stayer | ak|ra? |
| 14:21.01 | ak|ra | yes? |
| 14:23.55 | Big_Barrel | we need to find a match for tonight |
| 14:24.03 | Big_Barrel | strayer |
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| 14:30.18 | stayer | Pinguin: did U solved Ur MYSQL problem? |
| 14:30.28 | Pinguin | no |
| 14:30.31 | Pinguin | not really |
| 14:31.07 | Pinguin | changed to root password for everything ... |
| 14:31.12 | stayer | hm...nobody there who could help? |
| 14:31.26 | stayer | also an idea....but dirty solution |
| 14:32.25 | Pinguin | alot of people were there ... myabe my problem was too trivial |
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| 14:33.22 | stayer | yeah...had this problem too....a lot of them R a bit...'fancied' or so...dunno |
| 14:47.21 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.76) |
| 14:47.50 | stayer | hi MrApathyCream :) |
| 14:50.12 | MrApathyCream | lo |
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| 15:08.31 | ak|ra | re |
| 15:09.03 | stayer | fine ;p |
| 15:10.09 | ak|ra | i am completly confused by irsii :)) |
| 15:10.17 | MrApathyCream | gtg |
| 15:11.22 | stayer | irsii? |
| 15:12.04 | ak|ra | stayer: irc client for console |
| 15:12.38 | ak|ra | and because i am console / screen all the time i found it very usefull NOT to leave keyboard just to swap around the windows |
| 15:13.21 | stayer | ... |
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| 15:36.03 | ak|ra | moin tea |
| 15:36.08 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 15:36.09 | [TeA|TrEE] | :) |
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| 15:49.10 | vogon | add a flag, that turns the tank into godzilla for 1 |
| 15:49.10 | vogon | minute.......kill all tanks on the board and destroying |
| 15:49.10 | vogon | buildings. ok, its a dream......but it would be very cool. |
| 15:49.13 | vogon | yes. |
| 15:49.24 | vogon | where "very cool" is defined are "not cool at all." |
| 15:49.29 | vogon | as, even. |
| 15:49.30 | vogon | wtf. |
| 15:49.39 | vogon | s and re aren't anywhere near each other. |
| 15:53.09 | Big_Barrel | HELL ON WHEELS needs a challenge for tonight! |
| 15:53.16 | ak|ra | Big_Barrel: :)) |
| 15:53.18 | Big_Barrel | who will challenge? |
| 15:53.23 | ak|ra | hard to find opponents he? :) |
| 15:53.45 | Big_Barrel | yes it sucks |
| 15:53.45 | ak|ra | Big_Barrel: :)) |
| 15:53.55 | Big_Barrel | i challenged 7 teams and i have not heard fom one |
| 15:54.08 | Big_Barrel | :( |
| 15:54.15 | ak|ra | such is live and bzflag :) |
| 15:54.27 | Big_Barrel | who will challenge HELL ON WHEELS???????!!!!!!!1 |
| 15:54.56 | Chestal | split your team into two and challenge yourself ;-) |
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| 16:03.33 | ak|ra | Big_Barrel: 7 members :) |
| 16:03.47 | ak|ra | you COULD split up and fight against yourself :)) |
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| 16:21.46 | yoyox | Hi. |
| 16:21.57 | yoyox | ;-/ |
| 16:21.58 | stayer | hi yoyox |
| 16:24.22 | yoyox | Which one is mail to admins -->> http://stats.bzflag.org? |
| 16:24.39 | yoyox | I have attention. |
| 16:24.52 | yoyox | Complaint. |
| 16:30.11 | Big_Barrel | Everyone must be scared! |
| 16:30.30 | Big_Barrel | to challenge HELL ON WHEELS |
| 16:30.58 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 16:30.59 | *** join/#bzflag PerfectCell (alton@pD9E5089F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:30.59 | ak|ra | oh yes |
| 16:31.05 | PerfectCell | hi |
| 16:31.15 | ak|ra | they live all in fear :))) |
| 16:31.51 | Big_Barrel | i know |
| 16:32.09 | Big_Barrel | nobody want any of our action |
| 16:32.19 | Big_Barrel | :) |
| 16:32.29 | Big_Barrel | weenies |
| 16:32.31 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 16:32.32 | PerfectCell | and captain how was your lunch yesterday? |
| 16:33.47 | Big_Barrel | has any one seen the challenges forum lately? |
| 16:33.57 | Big_Barrel | i challenged like 6 teams |
| 16:34.05 | ak|ra | as far as i see moles doesnt get any .) |
| 16:34.35 | Big_Barrel | you said you can't play though |
| 16:34.38 | Big_Barrel | :) |
| 16:34.46 | Big_Barrel | that is why u did not get one |
| 16:34.49 | Big_Barrel | :) |
| 16:35.25 | ak|ra | Big_Barrel: :)) |
| 16:35.32 | ak|ra | aaah, thats the reason :) |
| 16:35.53 | Big_Barrel | i can write one for u team if u like :) |
| 16:36.05 | Big_Barrel | can u play this weekend? |
| 16:36.48 | ak|ra | perhaps |
| 16:36.58 | ak|ra | Chestal: do we play on sundays ? |
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| 16:39.10 | Big_Barrel | tea canu play later? |
| 16:39.42 | ak|ra | tea is also a how? |
| 16:39.58 | Big_Barrel | no |
| 16:40.09 | Big_Barrel | i want to match the penguins |
| 16:40.15 | Big_Barrel | :) |
| 16:40.39 | ak|ra | ahja |
| 16:40.47 | ak|ra | penguins... |
| 16:41.06 | Big_Barrel | basically we will play anyone! |
| 16:41.13 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 16:44.48 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | :) |
| 16:44.51 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | no i cant |
| 16:45.01 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | mayybe at 22:00 UTC |
| 16:45.06 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | but bomber is at home |
| 16:45.21 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | pinguin is ganna piss off in a few hours and only root and me are there |
| 16:45.22 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | :=) |
| 16:49.01 | ak|ra | :) |
| 16:51.14 | Big_Barrel | :(((((((((( |
| 16:51.33 | Big_Barrel | akira do u know any team that wants to be challenged? |
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| 16:52.31 | ak|ra | Big_Barrel: nope |
| 16:52.34 | ak|ra | perhaps vbz |
| 16:52.52 | ak|ra | but if they didnt contact you it COULD perhpas be they are in .. whatever |
| 16:53.28 | Big_Barrel | everyone is just to scared!! |
| 16:53.38 | Big_Barrel | what happend to the league |
| 16:53.40 | Big_Barrel | ? |
| 16:53.53 | Patlabor221 | eaten by a beluga whale |
| 16:53.55 | Big_Barrel | everyoun just does not want to play anymore!! |
| 16:54.24 | Big_Barrel | it should not be this hard to find a match! |
| 16:54.57 | Patlabor221 | I'm tellin ya man a whale got em. |
| 16:55.09 | Big_Barrel | i guess so! |
| 16:55.10 | Patlabor221 | saw it with my own eyes, wasn't prety |
| 16:55.10 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 16:55.17 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 16:55.19 | Big_Barrel | :0 |
| 16:55.28 | ak|ra | Big_Barrel: its almost xmas |
| 16:55.43 | Patlabor221 | most college kids have gone home |
| 16:55.48 | ak|ra | so a lot of people are away from university and got other things todo then to wait for a bzchalleng |
| 16:56.34 | Big_Barrel | bz flag should be the most important thing in their lives right now |
| 16:56.38 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 16:56.42 | Big_Barrel | not family! |
| 16:57.15 | Patlabor221 | dont' have any friends do you? :) |
| 16:57.43 | Big_Barrel | yes bzflag is my friend |
| 16:58.03 | Big_Barrel | when i go home i have a computer to play bz on |
| 16:58.12 | Big_Barrel | my dad is DeadMeat |
| 16:58.17 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 16:58.27 | Big_Barrel | hehehe |
| 16:58.30 | Big_Barrel | :) |
| 16:58.36 | Big_Barrel | my finger is broken |
| 17:00.47 | PerfectCell | hey patlabor i decided to use your style first, asking each model if it needs rendering for the current material, though this gets slow when we have lot of materials but this is normally not the case for world geometrie |
| 17:03.47 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | <Big_Barrel> what happend to the league |
| 17:03.47 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | <Big_Barrel> ? |
| 17:03.47 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | <Patlabor221> eaten by a beluga whale |
| 17:03.49 | [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] | LoL |
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| 17:30.45 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE][AwaY] (~Nicholas@pD9E94BA8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:31.44 | ak|ra | ibot ducatictf |
| 17:43.10 | ak|ra | ibot ducati |
| 17:43.16 | ak|ra | ibot ducatictf |
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| 17:55.47 | Big_Barrel | anyone want to challenge HELL ON WHEELS yet? |
| 17:59.05 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 17:59.21 | ak|ra | man go to ducati and play just for fun :) |
| 17:59.44 | ak|ra | for moles no one is reachable but me at the moment and even i am a bit busy here |
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| 18:06.55 | ak|ra | re |
| 18:26.58 | hardwire | bar |
| 18:31.14 | hardwire | blah |
| 18:48.54 | ak|ra | *merke: niemals den donkey ausmachen .. er braucht sonst ewig, um in fahrt zu kommen :)* |
| 18:51.53 | stayer | ak|ra: hehe...das weiss selbst ich als nicht-nutzer |
| 18:53.31 | ak|ra | stayer: aber ich musste die netzwerkkarte ausbauen und hotplugging kann die kiste noch net :) |
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| 19:01.38 | Chestal | hi CapN |
| 19:01.56 | CapN | hey chestal, been a long time since i have been here!! |
| 19:02.25 | Chestal | CapN: indeed. xmas holiday now? |
| 19:02.26 | CapN | i remember the days, aaaahhh, setting up those Froot Loop matches...seems like ages ago. |
| 19:02.42 | CapN | you know me....everydays a holiday!!! |
| 19:02.47 | Chestal | the golden days of the CTF league :- |
| 19:02.57 | Chestal | hmm, my mouth fell off |
| 19:03.03 | CapN | hee hee |
| 19:03.19 | ak|ra | hei Chestal |
| 19:03.38 | ak|ra | hei CapN |
| 19:03.42 | CapN | hi akira |
| 19:04.21 | ak|ra | CapN: the Big_Barrel is very hot :) he s searching for a match every second |
| 19:04.30 | CapN | ooooohhhh uh oh |
| 19:04.43 | ak|ra | he is burning like a rocket |
| 19:04.43 | CapN | i have played against him...he/she is pretty good. |
| 19:04.45 | Chestal | yep, he challenged virtually every team out thre |
| 19:04.58 | Chestal | gathere a solid team I guess |
| 19:05.02 | CapN | is this some new comer or someone i might know with a new name |
| 19:05.25 | Chestal | Big_Barrel: are you new? ;-) |
| 19:05.43 | stibnite | captain_proton: you about? |
| 19:06.06 | Chestal | CapN: AFAIK he isn't some old one in disguise |
| 19:06.23 | CapN | aaaah, ok. |
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| 19:08.04 | ak|ra | the zeebrothers are on ducati :) |
| 19:08.11 | ak|ra | and i need to get this qos thing working |
| 19:08.16 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a212-113-187-169.netcabo.pt) |
| 19:08.23 | Chestal | well, barrel should try to play them |
| 19:08.33 | ak|ra | Chestal: yep |
| 19:08.45 | ak|ra | Chestal: are we perhaps fightready on sunday? |
| 19:09.14 | Chestal | sunday, maybe |
| 19:09.20 | CapN | fight ready, geez ,you guys are always fight ready. |
| 19:09.32 | ak|ra | :)) but not as a TEAM |
| 19:09.44 | ak|ra | and we are worthless without the team :)) |
| 19:09.58 | ak|ra | the team is everything, u know? :) |
| 19:10.13 | Chestal | hmm, this video got neither mp3 nor ac3 sound |
| 19:10.28 | ak|ra | throw it away :) |
| 19:10.54 | Chestal | hmm, I' too lazy to mess with it |
| 19:12.29 | Chestal | 4 days to xmas, I wonder whetehr I should try and get some presents soon |
| 19:14.16 | CapN | aaah, yeah |
| 19:14.28 | CapN | i've been expecting mine anyday now!!! |
| 19:14.44 | ak|ra | Chestal: the same here :)) |
| 19:14.47 | ak|ra | damnit |
| 19:15.09 | ak|ra | bleeding from what patty? |
| 19:15.24 | Chestal | got my first present today, didn't open it yet |
| 19:15.31 | Patlabor221 | cat |
| 19:15.59 | Patlabor221 | cat->vet()== Cat.pissed(eMe); |
| 19:17.24 | ak|ra | cat cat > /dev/null |
| 19:17.42 | ak|ra | Chestal: :)) |
| 19:18.11 | Chestal | oh, Valoche posted something to the new board |
| 19:18.24 | Chestal | I'm still using old, trusty ircii |
| 19:18.56 | ak|ra | :) |
| 19:19.22 | ak|ra | last days i managed it to config my fluxbox so i dont miss much (was kdeuser before) |
| 19:20.12 | ak|ra | now i got this lonley big aterm with trans on my x11, screen open and everythng in place :)) |
| 19:20.33 | ak|ra | switched to irssi coz the xchat was to unhandy in screen |
| 19:20.58 | Chestal | CapN: do you read the new board? |
| 19:21.22 | Chestal | ak|ra: what's the size of your xterm (cols, rows)? |
| 19:21.34 | CapN | sry chestal, phone call, ummmm, i have been very disturbed by the new board yeah. |
| 19:21.46 | CapN | the whole gerbil/dervish stuff |
| 19:22.35 | Chestal | ah wel, the discussion is not that bad IMHO |
| 19:22.36 | ak|ra | CapN: on stats.bzflag.org? the bzcop thing? |
| 19:22.51 | ak|ra | Chestal: BIG |
| 19:23.00 | Chestal | heh, we people are in MAC's bzflag riddle |
| 19:24.04 | ak|ra | ? |
| 19:24.29 | scanline | dunno why he put me in there, I don't play bzflag nearly as much as you folks :) |
| 19:27.10 | Patlabor221 | oooo I'm backwards and diagonal |
| 19:29.01 | CapN | i'm upside down and diagonal. i wonder what that means :) |
| 19:29.17 | Patlabor221 | I'm "specal" |
| 19:34.41 | ak|ra | so, weekend |
| 19:34.43 | Patlabor221 | wonder how jzaun's coming on his hud stuff |
| 19:35.53 | stayer | ak|ra|afk: that looks awful |
| 19:35.58 | Chestal | hmm, can't locate my name |
| 19:36.11 | stayer | ?where? |
| 19:36.13 | ak|ra|afk | :) |
| 19:37.34 | Patlabor221 | it's there |
| 19:37.39 | Patlabor221 | last row |
| 19:37.41 | Patlabor221 | backwards |
| 19:37.47 | Chestal | ah |
| 19:38.02 | Patlabor221 | use the search in your browser, makes it easyer :) |
| 19:38.19 | Chestal | I coudl write a solver for this :-) |
| 19:38.26 | Patlabor221 | oyu would too |
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| 19:52.20 | PerfectCell | hmm, the xml dom is slow because it loads all the xml data into a object tree, but it is quite comfortable |
| 19:53.48 | Patlabor221 | does it store it all as text too? |
| 19:54.09 | PerfectCell | no |
| 19:54.23 | Patlabor221 | well that's good |
| 19:54.26 | Patlabor221 | how slow is "slow" |
| 19:54.31 | PerfectCell | both |
| 19:55.02 | PerfectCell | it is that it allocates memory for the xml dom tree |
| 19:55.16 | PerfectCell | that can grow pretty fast with larger docs |
| 19:56.30 | PerfectCell | but the advantege is that all data is in memory so i can visit the tree and extract the informations to intialize my data structures |
| 19:56.44 | Patlabor221 | how long does it take to load tho |
| 19:56.48 | PerfectCell | so i do two memory allocations |
| 19:57.26 | PerfectCell | a world file that is about 1MB takes 3sec |
| 19:57.39 | Patlabor221 | and how many objects are in it? |
| 19:57.56 | PerfectCell | about 30 |
| 19:58.02 | Patlabor221 | a meg for that? |
| 19:58.03 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 19:59.05 | PerfectCell | my forcefield: <forcefield>5,98*10^24*6.672*10^-11*(1/(sqrt(x*x+y*y+z*z))^3)*[-x,-y,-z]</forcefield> |
| 19:59.12 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 19:59.20 | Patlabor221 | and you expect humans to write this? |
| 19:59.40 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:59.43 | PerfectCell | yep its the real erath field |
| 19:59.44 | Patlabor221 | my world with about 100 boejcts is like 14k |
| 20:00.22 | PerfectCell | because you dont use all the xml tags and its binary i assume |
| 20:00.33 | Patlabor221 | it's test |
| 20:00.36 | Patlabor221 | text |
| 20:00.36 | bzdoug | wow, a 3 gig compact flash card |
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| 20:00.44 | bzdoug | http://www.pretec.com/ |
| 20:00.45 | Patlabor221 | an no it's NOT XML |
| 20:00.57 | Patlabor221 | I want people to be able to acutaly use it |
| 20:01.14 | PerfectCell | k, but you use references to model files |
| 20:01.19 | PerfectCell | i do not |
| 20:01.29 | Patlabor221 | not all the time |
| 20:01.40 | Patlabor221 | why dupe the geometry in every map |
| 20:01.47 | Patlabor221 | each object knows how to draw it'sef |
| 20:01.52 | Patlabor221 | it may be a parametric |
| 20:01.59 | Patlabor221 | it may take a model refrence |
| 20:02.09 | Patlabor221 | it may not draw at all |
| 20:02.33 | Patlabor221 | this way if I update the object or model then the maps don't have to change |
| 20:02.40 | PerfectCell | hm, i will reduce the file size later, definitely |
| 20:02.43 | Patlabor221 | all old maps will pick up the object |
| 20:03.04 | Patlabor221 | with your way, you have to 1, make ojects for each map, 2 update all maps when you change a model. |
| 20:03.20 | PerfectCell | no i use references |
| 20:03.28 | Patlabor221 | and it's still a meg? |
| 20:03.56 | Patlabor221 | I don't see what the XML buys you other then bloat |
| 20:04.22 | vogon | it also buys you crappy buzzwords. |
| 20:04.28 | PerfectCell | world.xml has models and refs(mesh.xml*, collmesh.xml*, shadowvolume.xml) |
| 20:04.30 | Patlabor221 | that too |
| 20:04.40 | Patlabor221 | sounds very complex |
| 20:04.53 | scanline | XML is really only good for things that are both going to be edited by hand, and naturally fit XML's structure... it's good for documents or GUI layouts, but terrible for config files.. for something you'd never edit by hand anyway it's just bloat |
| 20:05.15 | PerfectCell | ant uses xml |
| 20:05.15 | Patlabor221 | that's what I am thinking |
| 20:05.30 | Patlabor221 | you have to make your own rules for the data anyway |
| 20:05.38 | Patlabor221 | why make it overly complex and strict |
| 20:05.41 | Chestal | it can be useful if you want to read/write the file from different languages |
| 20:06.19 | PerfectCell | i choose it because i dont wanted to write my own parser code |
| 20:07.00 | scanline | well, my next question would be: why DOM? I assume you're loading them into some internal representation anyway, so DOM is just duplicated effort |
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| 20:07.31 | scanline | if you just want a parser you can assign callbacks for, try expaat |
| 20:07.34 | scanline | err, expat |
| 20:07.36 | PerfectCell | scanline: right that is what i said |
| 20:08.03 | PerfectCell | there is also a sax like parser XmlReader which fires events |
| 20:08.30 | scanline | hmm.. what language is this in? |
| 20:08.39 | PerfectCell | c# |
| 20:08.45 | PerfectCell | and java |
| 20:08.54 | scanline | but but... for a 3D game? |
| 20:09.00 | PerfectCell | yep |
| 20:09.20 | PerfectCell | managed games |
| 20:09.28 | vogon | argh. |
| 20:09.30 | vogon | Java? |
| 20:09.32 | vogon | 3D? |
| 20:09.35 | PerfectCell | that are short small games |
| 20:09.44 | vogon | GNAH. |
| 20:09.44 | Patlabor221 | yes, cell is a bit silly, he thingks interp langs can be fast. |
| 20:09.47 | scanline | what could possibly be the point of writing a game in ".NET"? |
| 20:09.58 | vogon | scanline: it can take MSN Passport. |
| 20:10.02 | PerfectCell | the nice framework |
| 20:10.02 | vogon | scanline: and Passport is :cool:. |
| 20:10.05 | Patlabor221 | laock of prtablility and bloat |
| 20:10.59 | PerfectCell | Patlabor221: if it runs with java, than it should be portable automatically i hope |
| 20:11.18 | scanline | ugh |
| 20:11.24 | vogon | haha. |
| 20:11.40 | vogon | if so, only because Java stripped out all the cool parts of programming. |
| 20:11.44 | Patlabor221 | you "hope" |
| 20:11.50 | vogon | to make room for additional crap people don't want. |
| 20:12.12 | vogon | fuck garbage collection and passing by reference. |
| 20:12.16 | PerfectCell | patlabor221:i dont really care since most ppl use windows |
| 20:12.16 | vogon | I want pointers, damn it. |
| 20:12.20 | scanline | well, java is an interesting language... just not one I have any use for so far. and I can't imagine writing a 3D game in it |
| 20:12.48 | Chestal | the realtiem issues could be a problem |
| 20:12.58 | scanline | PerfectCell: and most people also live in the US of A and have 2.5 kids, what's your point? |
| 20:13.01 | PerfectCell | scanline: you need performance, so why should you |
| 20:13.03 | Patlabor221 | does it realy run the same on all systems |
| 20:13.07 | Chestal | performance-wise it should be possible to make a fast 3D game in Java, all the 3D stuff isn't done in Java anyway |
| 20:13.26 | scanline | so what is the 3D stuff done in, C#? |
| 20:13.35 | PerfectCell | opengl |
| 20:13.39 | Patlabor221 | he's got a GL wraper |
| 20:13.43 | scanline | erggg |
| 20:13.45 | vogon | PerfectCell: but what is it bound to? |
| 20:13.48 | PerfectCell | yes for java and c# |
| 20:13.52 | vogon | hahahaha. |
| 20:14.00 | vogon | that's certainly a "unique" coding style. |
| 20:14.03 | Patlabor221 | in the end it all goes back to C |
| 20:14.09 | PerfectCell | yep |
| 20:14.26 | Patlabor221 | guess you just like extra fucntion hits |
| 20:14.45 | vogon | Patlabor221: nah, it all goes back to machine code. |
| 20:14.54 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 20:15.06 | Patlabor221 | just the c# way takes a little longer |
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| 20:16.43 | PerfectCell | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.49 | PerfectCell | i mean some/many 3d engines use scripts to handle many cases, so c# is like a script and the fast code is in C anyway |
| 20:20.59 | scanline | that's not the point... |
| 20:21.24 | vogon | btw, if anyone here wants free keyboard/mouse combos, http://logitechcordless.com |
| 20:21.41 | vogon | refreshing it over and over and over again is entertaining in itself. |
| 20:21.42 | scanline | in jetstream I'm using python for the high-level code, but there is C++ and C code doing all the scene traversal, surface tesselation, loading, and stuff- anything that needs to be fast |
| 20:22.58 | Patlabor221 | it proalby uses a sesson state |
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| 20:23.33 | Big_Barrel | is a 2 on 2 match can that be official? |
| 20:23.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 20:26.08 | vogon | BZFlag. |
| 20:26.45 | BZFlag | vogon. |
| 20:27.35 | Patlabor221 | I did what? |
| 20:28.14 | *** part/#bzflag CapN (~capn@me-kennebunk1f-124.knbnme.adelphia.net) |
| 20:31.25 | PerfectCell | hey BZflag what is with are you CEO now? |
| 20:32.08 | ak|ra|afk | Chestal: lupi meint, es waer vielleicht ok am sonntag |
| 20:33.54 | BZFlag | PerfectCell: yeah, that would be nice huh? |
| 20:34.26 | PerfectCell | of coz |
| 20:36.17 | ak|ra|afk | Big_Barrel: no |
| 20:36.52 | ak|ra|afk | BZFlag: yes, whats with the takeover and your future now? |
| 20:37.35 | PerfectCell | bzflag is not dos :) |
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| 20:38.13 | Patlabor221 | takeovers sound like they suck |
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| 20:53.52 | rooter | anybody up to some ducati? |
| 20:54.09 | rooter | ibot ducatictf |
| 20:54.28 | rooter | blah |
| 20:58.59 | rooter | ibot ducatictf |
| 20:59.40 | PerfectCell | i need food too, but my father is currently in the kitchen |
| 21:00.42 | PerfectCell | he just complained that i go to the kitchen every 5 min |
| 21:01.26 | PerfectCell | really, that is how it goes if you cannot afford your own flat |
| 21:03.21 | PerfectCell | bbut i want forget that my father pays the dsl flatrate, which is used 99% by me and 1% by my sisters |
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| 21:06.22 | Big_Barrel | ok HELL ON WHEELS lost to TLZ |
| 21:10.11 | ak|ra|afk | but not official |
| 21:10.24 | Chestal | it was official |
| 21:10.29 | Chestal | the first official 2 vs 2 match |
| 21:10.29 | rooter | ibot ducatictf |
| 21:10.31 | ak|ra|afk | yes? |
| 21:10.31 | ak|ra|afk | oha |
| 21:10.36 | ak|ra|afk | nice to know |
| 21:10.52 | rooter | cool... 2 vs 2 would be fun |
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| 21:12.09 | rooter | ibot ducatictf |
| 21:13.19 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 21:13.44 | Chestal | hi MAC, your puzzle is too difficult for me. Didn't find my name until someone helped me :-) |
| 21:14.01 | MrApathyCream | hehe, and yours wasn't that hard, as i recall |
| 21:14.07 | rooter | chestal ducati 59999 is game over... can you fix that? please |
| 21:14.45 | ak|ra|afk | rooter: you wanne play vs how? |
| 21:15.30 | rooter | i was on ctf... but i guess i can |
| 21:15.58 | Chestal | hmm |
| 21:16.05 | Chestal | then soemoen is still logged in |
| 21:17.33 | Big_Barrel | rooter you wanna play? |
| 21:17.38 | rooter | where? |
| 21:17.44 | Big_Barrel | on 59999 |
| 21:17.50 | rooter | k |
| 21:17.51 | Big_Barrel | which team r u with? |
| 21:17.55 | rooter | green |
| 21:18.06 | Big_Barrel | no CTF Team |
| 21:18.36 | rooter | oh.... penguins. |
| 21:19.00 | Big_Barrel | ok can you all play? |
| 21:19.00 | rooter | i don't see prod, TeA or Penguin anywhere though |
| 21:19.10 | Big_Barrel | can you find them? |
| 21:19.31 | Big_Barrel | root u are on 59999 |
| 21:19.43 | rooter | i know |
| 21:19.50 | rooter | i doubt i can find them |
| 21:19.52 | Big_Barrel | can you find your team? |
| 21:20.03 | Big_Barrel | well if you can please let me know |
| 21:20.07 | Big_Barrel | bz mail me |
| 21:20.13 | rooter | even if i e-mail... whos on at 22:25 on friday |
| 21:20.15 | rooter | ok |
| 21:20.32 | Big_Barrel | if u can u can |
| 21:20.35 | Big_Barrel | no prob |
| 21:20.36 | Chestal | urgs, I messed up the league site |
| 21:20.46 | Big_Barrel | if not tonight then tomorrow |
| 21:20.57 | Big_Barrel | how did you do that? |
| 21:21.25 | Chestal | I tried to insert a hyperlink to the quote of the day section |
| 21:21.26 | ak|ra | bad Chestal :) |
| 21:21.31 | Chestal | ak|ra: obviously the code has some error |
| 21:21.41 | Chestal | now the contact and home sections are empty |
| 21:21.48 | Chestal | I have no idea what was in there exactly |
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| 21:25.06 | Chestal | waaah |
| 21:25.17 | bzdoug | haaaw |
| 21:25.22 | MrApathyCream | can't help .. don't remember |
| 21:25.47 | ak|ra | something about cleaning up the playerlist |
| 21:25.53 | ak|ra | from inactive people |
| 21:27.16 | BZFlag | google cache and archive.org are your friends. |
| 21:28.56 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 21:30.35 | ak|ra | soooo |
| 21:30.40 | ak|ra | party is waiting |
| 21:30.45 | ak|ra | i am off from here now |
| 21:31.07 | ak|ra | bye all, till tomorrow i hope |
| 21:33.44 | captain_proton | thats redundant |
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| 21:42.40 | scanline | uh oh |
| 21:44.35 | hardwire | :) |
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| 22:27.49 | MrApathyCream | wow the wayback machine is pretty nifty |
| 22:32.48 | MrApathyCream | bbl |
| 22:37.35 | BZFlag | heh |
| 22:40.36 | jzaun | Hey BZFlag, how do I get the time limuit a game has to run, and the time left before its done? |
| 22:47.42 | BZFlag | how do you get? |
| 22:47.50 | BZFlag | when you join you get that info. |
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| 22:48.26 | jzaun | BZFlag, is the a World::getWorld()->function for it? |
| 22:50.12 | BZFlag | MsgTimeLeft is send by the server. there is no way at present to query it. |
| 22:51.36 | jzaun | Thats gonna be a problem :-( |
| 22:52.36 | jzaun | whats getEpochOffset() return? |
| 22:53.49 | BZFlag | where are you trying to "get" this from? |
| 22:54.10 | jzaun | its a funtion of the world object |
| 22:54.17 | BZFlag | where are you trying to "get" this from? |
| 22:55.03 | BZFlag | client? command line? perl script? over the phone? what? |
| 22:55.11 | jzaun | from ControlPanel.cxx |
| 22:55.18 | jzaun | client side |
| 22:55.44 | BZFlag | client caches the replies from MsgTimeLeft and "knows" the remain time. |
| 22:56.09 | jzaun | I'm trying to make a progress bar that srinks as there is less and less time remaining in the world |
| 22:56.26 | BZFlag | hmm. and starts where? |
| 22:56.27 | jzaun | but to do that I need to know what the totle time was and what the remaining time is |
| 22:56.44 | jzaun | s/totle/total |
| 22:56.46 | BZFlag | it you just joined, then why is the total time relevant? |
| 22:57.39 | jzaun | (end time} [----------|(current time) ](total time) |
| 22:57.47 | jzaun | can't make a progess bar without it |
| 22:57.50 | BZFlag | it you just joined, then why is the total time relevant? |
| 22:59.05 | BZFlag | ie: just remember the first TimeUpdate and start the progress bar from there. |
| 23:00.20 | jzaun | Haven't played with the section of the code that deals with net traffic to add that functionallity, what file(s) would I look at? |
| 23:02.02 | jzaun | And the first TimeUpdate would be the time remianing when you join, not the original time, correct? |
| 23:04.20 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
| 23:09.29 | BZFlag | src/bzflag/playing.cxx:1718 |
| 23:10.31 | BZFlag | jzaun: yes. again I ask, it the original time relevant? |
| 23:10.40 | BZFlag | s/it/is/ |
| 23:11.03 | BZFlag | ~spell relevant |
| 23:11.03 | | 'relevant' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:11.11 | BZFlag | looks wierd |
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| 23:11.40 | jzaun | To give an acurrate time remaining in the game in a status bar |
| 23:11.59 | jzaun | if I use the first TimeUpdate for each client, each clients status bar will be different |
| 23:12.09 | BZFlag | so? |
| 23:12.13 | jzaun | some will be almost empty some will be almost full |
| 23:12.16 | BZFlag | so? |
| 23:12.35 | jzaun | so each player would have a diff. idea of how much time is remaining |
| 23:12.54 | BZFlag | what do I care if I join in the last 10 minutes that the game has a 24 hour time to start with? |
| 23:13.19 | jzaun | so you see that the game is almost over and not just starting |
| 23:13.27 | BZFlag | all I care about is the remaining time, which is what the HUD displays now. |
| 23:13.59 | BZFlag | again, I ask: so what? the remain time is all that matters imnsho |
| 23:14.00 | jzaun | Displaying the time and graphically representing it are 2 diff. things |
| 23:15.08 | BZFlag | ok, so lets say all I display is a bar. I join one server that has a 2 week running time with one day remaining and I look at the bar. "Oh, no! the games almost over" when in fact it has 24 hours left. |
| 23:15.12 | jzaun | It would just be a cleaner UI if I could get it, if not, I'll have to deal with it |
| 23:15.45 | BZFlag | now I join a server that has a 10 minute game and 9 minutes remaining. "oh cool! plenty of time!" when in fact it's almost over. |
| 23:16.35 | jzaun | true, but you would see the bar going down alot faster on shorter games |
| 23:16.42 | BZFlag | now if the bar starts counting when I join, then at least the speed it moves at will give an useful indication. |
| 23:17.15 | BZFlag | so again I stress, the total time is irrelevant. just the remain time. |
| 23:17.49 | BZFlag | if you want a bar then it's not important for different players bars to be in sync. they have different percieved percentages of remain time anyway. |
| 23:17.50 | jzaun | ok... I'll hook it up that way. Is the getEpochOffset() function listed in World.h the time remaining? |
| 23:19.19 | BZFlag | no getepoch offset is the time on the server. not the game time. |
| 23:20.46 | Patlabor221 | jzaun: can you take a new SS so I can see how all the new images look? |
| 23:20.54 | jzaun | yah |
| 23:21.13 | Patlabor221 | I'm depresed so I need something to cheer me up |
| 23:22.23 | sussudio | how's that? |
| 23:23.35 | Patlabor221 | ehhhhh |
| 23:23.44 | Patlabor221 | that still dosn't make the data flow into my house |
| 23:24.11 | Patlabor221 | the DSL has been turned off |
| 23:24.22 | Patlabor221 | I have at least 2.5 weeks of no broadband |
| 23:25.18 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/ss.png <-- New screenshot |
| 23:25.44 | jzaun | BZFlag, so is there any function to get the world time remaining? |
| 23:26.17 | sussudio | start a timer when it launches and hope nobody's reset the time |
| 23:26.43 | captain_proton | jzaun: is that graphic to the left of the flag name dependent on the current flag? |
| 23:26.50 | jzaun | yes |
| 23:26.53 | captain_proton | :) |
| 23:27.16 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm I want to change the bg image a bit |
| 23:27.28 | Patlabor221 | looks a little chunky in couple places |
| 23:27.31 | jzaun | ok... I'll ship it to you again |
| 23:27.45 | Patlabor221 | did you have to change the one I sent you? |
| 23:28.00 | jzaun | cap the one to the right is dependant on the stat of the player too (alive,dead,sealed,zoned,observer) |
| 23:28.09 | Patlabor221 | it only does the QT thing if it's installed |
| 23:28.24 | jzaun | Patlabor221: just a minor little bit, lineing up some boxes |
| 23:28.46 | Patlabor221 | ok that' must be what it lookes chunky around them |
| 23:28.51 | BZFlag | kinda cool. ;-) |
| 23:29.07 | Patlabor221 | and you have all the flag Icons right? did I miss any? |
| 23:29.22 | jzaun | nope, they are all there now :-) |
| 23:29.27 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 23:29.44 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/hud.png |
| 23:30.37 | jzaun | Shake time bar (the top, bottom right bar) works as well as the shots (bottom, bottom right bar). |
| 23:30.38 | BZFlag | is it optional in the menus? |
| 23:30.39 | Patlabor221 | ohh yah the gradient is jacked in the right middle |
| 23:30.51 | BZFlag | and what does it look like at 256x192 ? |
| 23:31.10 | Patlabor221 | very small |
| 23:31.13 | Patlabor221 | and blurry |
| 23:31.24 | jzaun | BZFlag, no its not optional, it looks goot at every resolution my 17" monitor supports |
| 23:31.52 | BZFlag | 256x192? |
| 23:32.05 | bzdoug | everybody knows that people use 21 inch LCD screens for playing bzflag! |
| 23:32.13 | jzaun | 640x480 is the lowest I have access too |
| 23:32.18 | BZFlag | some folks want ot use pda's |
| 23:32.25 | BZFlag | -window is your friend |
| 23:32.26 | bzdoug | BZFlag: that would be very cool |
| 23:33.06 | jzaun | BZFlag, I'll try it out, It works from 640x480 all the way up to 1600x1200 though everything scales properlly |
| 23:33.36 | BZFlag | nice. |
| 23:34.40 | jzaun | it scales and runs at 256x192 |
| 23:35.10 | BZFlag | sweet! |
| 23:35.13 | jzaun | I didn't make it optional as there is no FPS slowdown on my computer |
| 23:35.57 | jzaun | so If I can just figureout how to get the time remaining, I'll hookup that bar, then it will be just about fully functional |
| 23:36.51 | captain_proton | jzaun: what are the dimensions of that texture? |
| 23:37.13 | jzaun | I still want to remove the radar and panel opacity menu options, they arn't used in the new one |
| 23:37.19 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.05 | captain_proton | eek |
| 23:38.19 | Patlabor221 | I know, I told him |
| 23:38.30 | Patlabor221 | it's all horiblly non power of 2 |
| 23:38.39 | Patlabor221 | he's relying on the bZ loader to fix it for him |
| 23:38.42 | jzaun | Patlabor221 said BZFlag makes it a power of 2 on load |
| 23:39.04 | Patlabor221 | and I also said it was horible |
| 23:39.05 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 23:39.15 | jzaun | yah.... you did... |
| 23:40.31 | jzaun | Does the world class store the time remining at all? |
| 23:41.23 | captain_proton | HORRIBLE |
| 23:41.42 | Patlabor221 | I think I used the word "Vile" |
| 23:42.04 | jzaun | shees... it works, but okok, Patlabor221 make it a power of 2 |
| 23:42.06 | Patlabor221 | there's the fixed one |
| 23:42.07 | captain_proton | if sauron used opengl, he'd make his textures 256x192 |
| 23:42.09 | captain_proton | err |
| 23:42.11 | captain_proton | 640x110 |
| 23:42.22 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/bz/jzaun/HUD.png |
| 23:43.25 | Patlabor221 | no he's make them 1x1 |
| 23:43.33 | Patlabor221 | and force you into liking them |
| 23:43.39 | Patlabor221 | and they would be all black |
| 23:45.01 | BZFlag | I'd still like the transparent HUD as an option. |
| 23:45.46 | jzaun | hrm.... that will be alot of work it up it back in place :'-( |
| 23:45.59 | jzaun | but if you insist I will |
| 23:47.01 | BZFlag | with the current cvs it should be easier to replace the scaling sections that handle the current o=1 code with the newer better control panel and leave the o=1 option, no? |
| 23:47.42 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i have 20 lines of openal code :) |
| 23:47.47 | BZFlag | we don't have the old parameters in the image file, but things like the top HUD msgs are still probably hard coded. |
| 23:47.50 | Patlabor221 | 20 wow |
| 23:48.17 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: I've fixed up the FMOD one so it works now |
| 23:48.22 | captain_proton | it took a lot of time to grok the examples |
| 23:48.28 | BZFlag | everything needs to get recalculated on resize, so we can just clean up that code so that it all depends on o=1 or even add another switch. |
| 23:48.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yeah yeah, i still want to do openal on licensing principles |
| 23:48.59 | jzaun | yes and no, yes it would be an option, and some people may use it, though it doesn't deter from game play, infact I designed it so that it would aid game play (everything is in once place rather than all over the screen. It also looks alot better and more profetional IMHO. |
| 23:49.06 | BZFlag | I cleaned it up some in g0 to reduce code. there's clearly more that can be done. |
| 23:49.35 | Patlabor221 | cap do you want my current one, I changed more stuff then just the FMOD stuff |
| 23:49.41 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what did you change? |
| 23:49.43 | Patlabor221 | or are you gonn put it in the COW? |
| 23:49.51 | Patlabor221 | how files were loaded |
| 23:49.59 | jzaun | If the old HUD is really and ControlPanel are really that important and would contune to be used by a majority then yes it should be added back in, but all in all I would rather see this as the only, or default |
| 23:50.03 | captain_proton | nah, we're using the COW for that |
| 23:50.05 | Patlabor221 | and how the BGM next and random worked |
| 23:50.30 | Patlabor221 | thhere were problems with looping |
| 23:50.37 | Patlabor221 | but I'm sure you'll be replacing it all |
| 23:50.46 | BZFlag | jzaun: have you altered the menus? if the HUD is using 3Dish displays it might be nice to get a 3Dish overlay that the menu shows up in rather than full screen like now. |
| 23:51.04 | captain_proton | BZFlag: libpgserver! :) |
| 23:51.26 | BZFlag | pgserver? |
| 23:51.33 | captain_proton | BZFlag: scanline's pet project |
| 23:51.35 | Patlabor221 | picogui |
| 23:51.38 | captain_proton | we use picogui as the UI in jetstream |
| 23:51.42 | BZFlag | ahh |
| 23:52.01 | jzaun | ControlPanel.cxx is not 919 lines and HUDRenderer.cxx is 1270 lines. Alot of the HUD functionality has been moved to the control panel, the full composing section for instance. |
| 23:52.41 | jzaun | as for the menus I was gonna work on them after I was done with this. this patch is gonna be huge, wasn't sure if you wanted a mega patch with the HUD and menus all in the same |
| 23:53.13 | Patlabor221 | I'll make you a steel pannel for the menus to show up on |
| 23:53.20 | Patlabor221 | just gimme the sizes when you figure them out |
| 23:53.31 | captain_proton | BZFlag: do i need your approval to rip out BzfString/AList ? |
| 23:54.08 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hmm. I'd prefer to look a patch over before commiting it. |
| 23:54.30 | captain_proton | BZFlag: fine fine |
| 23:54.32 | jzaun | also, I've got some idead for a "Admin friendly" UI, so after you enter the password you could type "a" (for example) and get a new section to the controlpanel along the right side of the screen to make things lick kicking and baning much easier |
| 23:55.04 | Patlabor221 | you could make it a build option |
| 23:55.05 | jzaun | but if you want the old HUD still as an option I will do it, it will just add about a week worth of work to add the code back in |
| 23:55.52 | jzaun | as well as a good bit of dub code ( the compse stuff thats not in the control panel not the hud) |
| 23:56.12 | jzaun | s/dub/dup/ |
| 23:56.15 | Patlabor221 | unless you make the old pannel use your new stuff |
| 23:56.20 | Patlabor221 | then it's not duped |
| 23:56.35 | jzaun | Patlabor221: due to the display order of the new and old, that would be very very difficult |
| 23:56.51 | Patlabor221 | dificult != imposible :) |
| 23:56.55 | jzaun | true |
| 23:57.20 | jzaun | but its BZFlags call... I'de like to see this in CVS so I will go with what he says :-) |
| 23:57.44 | jzaun | to boot I still have to fix that color problem I was talking about last night |
| 23:58.05 | jzaun | I can't get the thing to stop flashing in different colors while not carrying a flag |
| 23:58.10 | jzaun | its rather anoying.... |
| 23:58.24 | Patlabor221 | someone is not setting the current color in that case |
| 23:59.02 | jzaun | as far as I can tell its in HUDRenderer.cxx, but I'll be damed if I can find where.... or how to fix it if I could find it |
| 23:59.05 | BZFlag | dupe code == bad. |
| 23:59.26 | jzaun | its like the last color used in the HUD isn't getting reset after its done being used |
| 23:59.34 | BZFlag | I do want to keep a transparent mode. I do not want to add a bunch of dupe code. |
| 23:59.56 | BZFlag | so the call order should get resolved and one bit of code used for both modes. |
