| 00:00.14 | proton[BGDFH] | ew |
| 00:00.49 | Chestal | I'm feeling better now, didn't dare to eat anythign yet, but on Monday evening I was feeling more miserable than I can remember |
| 00:00.52 | fiberchunks | I noticed Mr. Schoneman registered on the site today -- makes me feel good :) |
| 00:01.12 | proton[BGDFH] | Chestal: would you be willing to host a decks server? the guy who was doing it until now seems to have killed it |
| 00:01.24 | proton[BGDFH] | crs is still alive? |
| 00:02.32 | Chestal | proton: hmm, not really. I don't liek to host another server |
| 00:02.44 | Chestal | proton: the traffic ducati is causing is significant as is |
| 00:03.05 | fiberchunks | what is your avg monthly usage, btw (out of curiosity) |
| 00:03.14 | Chestal | hmm, can't say for sure |
| 00:03.24 | Chestal | would have to ask my sub-admin for the stats |
| 00:03.47 | fiberchunks | I'm wondering how much on average a busy server, such as turkey, ducati, etc generates |
| 00:04.06 | Chestal | the univerity computer center has asked the local user group which ducati is a part of, whether it is ok that this computer is causing that much traffic |
| 00:04.22 | Chestal | lukcily, most of it is outbound, university only has to pay for inbound |
| 00:04.41 | Chestal | not that they exceed their bandwidth limit each year anyway |
| 00:05.03 | fiberchunks | would you mind checking that out? I'd be real interested to know |
| 00:06.29 | fiberchunks | take your time of course -- no rush at all |
| 00:07.12 | Chestal | msged the guy who should know |
| 00:07.17 | Chestal | can take a few days, though |
| 00:07.24 | fiberchunks | no problem -- thanks much |
| 00:11.02 | Chestal | ok, good night |
| 00:12.22 | fiberchunks | nite, get well |
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| 00:40.16 | proton[BGDFH] | BZFlagHoliday: what about you? |
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| 01:18.10 | Nicole | kinda empty here |
| 01:19.15 | victorvdl | Reasonably so. |
| 01:19.26 | Nicole | ya |
| 01:19.29 | Nicole | eh |
| 01:20.02 | sussudio | stupid linux n00bs. |
| 01:20.23 | sussudio | <Joe_> i'm not kidding when i say microsoft are nazis. |
| 01:20.24 | sussudio | <sussudio> i dont think the national socialist party of germany ever set out to dominate the desktop market |
| 01:20.39 | sussudio | it's so lame to call everything you don't like nazi's |
| 01:21.36 | victorvdl | sussudio: Yea. |
| 01:21.50 | victorvdl | sussudio: not that I like microsoft or anything... |
| 01:22.25 | sussudio | microsoft is a prime example of capitalism.... they're pretty much the american dream. screw anyone and anything over to get wealthy. |
| 01:23.20 | fiberchunks | well, that's kind of stereotypical, don't you think? |
| 01:23.31 | sussudio | neh. |
| 01:23.34 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 01:24.50 | fiberchunks | how bout GNU? |
| 01:24.56 | fiberchunks | act. the FSF |
| 01:25.24 | sussudio | that has nothing to do with microsoft really. |
| 01:25.44 | fiberchunks | no, but it illustrates a point about the american dream. |
| 01:26.22 | sussudio | how |
| 01:27.20 | fiberchunks | the FSF doesn't embody any of those characteristics above, yet it was founded by americans searching for their own personal american dream (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) Microsoft is the antithesis of the american dream, imho |
| 01:27.39 | fiberchunks | emphasis on liberty with the FSF, of course |
| 01:28.33 | sussudio | neh. most americans dont care if they're miserable, just as long as they have cash. |
| 01:29.19 | fiberchunks | nonsense. I'd rather have peace than cash anyday -- but one with the other is a nice bonus |
| 01:29.45 | fiberchunks | if it turns out that way, that is |
| 01:29.51 | sussudio | heretic! |
| 01:29.57 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 01:30.49 | fiberchunks | I have just blasphemed, in one sentence, the entire political, governmental, and judicial processes of this country :) |
| 01:31.20 | fiberchunks | ROFL -- porn groove? baump chicka bamp bowww, chicka chicka chicka |
| 01:31.23 | sussudio | the FBI know where you are |
| 01:31.38 | fiberchunks | too late, I work for the government :) |
| 01:32.15 | sussudio | exactly |
| 01:32.20 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 01:32.27 | sussudio | -|- (Stealers_Wheel)_Stuck_In_The_Middle_With_You.mp3 (4,646,148 bytes 182kbps VBR Joint Stereo 3mins 25secs Genre:Folk-Rock Year:1973 Album:Stealers Wheel |
| 01:32.43 | sussudio | oh doug...... |
| 01:32.54 | fiberchunks | how does one generate that thing you just did, btw? |
| 01:33.02 | sussudio | mp3 script |
| 01:33.09 | fiberchunks | in xchat? |
| 01:33.13 | sussudio | mIRC |
| 01:33.17 | fiberchunks | oh. |
| 01:33.27 | fiberchunks | wonder if there's such an animal for this thing |
| 01:33.33 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 01:33.47 | fiberchunks | brb - gonna find out |
| 01:34.01 | sussudio | k |
| 01:37.51 | fiberchunks | hrmph, no responses |
| 01:37.56 | sussudio | bummer |
| 01:50.18 | sussudio | -|- (Focus)_Hocus_Pocus.mp3 (9,665,016 bytes 192kbps Joint Stereo 6mins 43secs Genre:Progressive Rock Year:1972 Album:Moving Waves |
| 01:52.29 | fiberchunks | XMMS doesn't seem to be running. |
| 01:52.35 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 01:52.52 | fiberchunks | Playing: Antonio Vivaldi - The Four Seasons: Concerto 1 (Spring): Allegro [0:03/3:19 (2%)] [135Kbps] |
| 01:52.57 | fiberchunks | ah, there we are |
| 01:57.14 | fiberchunks | sussudio: wanna play a little 1-1? |
| 01:59.09 | fiberchunks | ~ducati |
| 01:59.24 | fiberchunks | ~ducatictf |
| 01:59.37 | fiberchunks | ~turkey |
| 01:59.39 | | bzfquery turkey.moongroup.com 7500 |
| 02:09.11 | sussudio | downloading stuff. |
| 02:09.14 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
| 02:11.18 | fiberchunks | ah - it's xmas eve present time at my house now -- gotta go open stuff :) |
| 02:11.27 | fiberchunks | cya later - and happy holidays |
| 02:12.10 | fiberchunks | well, happy whatever then ;) |
| 02:16.21 | sussudio | airtrafficcontrollerhungerstrike? |
| 02:32.20 | sussudio | i am henry viii i am |
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| 03:13.41 | Big_Barrel | hi fiberchunks |
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| 05:36.45 | scanline | community? |
| 05:37.05 | scanline | hanging out on bzbb again? :) |
| 05:37.16 | hardwire | hey |
| 05:37.18 | captain_proton | unfortunately yes |
| 05:37.25 | scanline | haha |
| 05:37.29 | hardwire | run while you can |
| 05:37.39 | scanline | I'm not in boulder at the moment.. though captain_proton is :) |
| 05:37.42 | hardwire | heh |
| 05:37.44 | hardwire | RUN! |
| 05:38.10 | scanline | bleh.. |
| 05:39.19 | captain_proton | bwahaha |
| 05:39.32 | captain_proton | christmas is so much cooler when viewed as newton's birthday rather than jesus' |
| 05:39.40 | scanline | indeed |
| 06:05.47 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || Happy Birthday, Sir Issac Newton |
| 07:09.19 | captain_proton | looks like badger is on turkey |
| 07:10.52 | scanline | wow, Doom for the SNES |
| 07:11.07 | scanline | huuge pixels! |
| 07:48.29 | captain_proton | w00t, been a while |
| 07:48.34 | captain_proton | just had a nice game with crs |
| 07:51.58 | sussudio | snort. |
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| 08:20.03 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 08:20.20 | MrApathyCream | maybe santa will bring you a room heater |
| 08:20.41 | scanline | captain_proton: that's what you get for using intel instead of AMD :) |
| 08:20.47 | captain_proton | scanline: hehehe |
| 08:21.34 | captain_proton | oh for whoever cares |
| 08:21.42 | captain_proton | crs views jumping backwards into a building with OO as a bug |
| 08:22.26 | scanline | hehe.. this sphere sort of inflates itself into existence |
| 08:22.48 | MrApathyCream | it's a nice bug |
| 08:22.57 | sussudio | it's all kernel panic ever does |
| 08:23.04 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:23.18 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: perhaps, but his response to anyone who might be pissed off at its fixing to "eat me" |
| 08:23.39 | MrApathyCream | did he fix it? |
| 08:23.58 | captain_proton | no, just commented that it needs fixing asap |
| 08:24.03 | captain_proton | he might do it, *shrug* |
| 08:24.08 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome ;) |
| 08:24.34 | MrApathyCream | riker was surprised you could drive through pyramids that weren't at 0 |
| 08:24.42 | captain_proton | he was? |
| 08:24.50 | captain_proton | you can drive through anything that isn't at 0 |
| 08:24.51 | MrApathyCream | yes, i was surprised he was |
| 08:25.41 | captain_proton | now, that misfeature has been exploited well a couple times and exploited badly a lot, but i'm amazed riker didn't know |
| 08:25.51 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:26.32 | sussudio | laserctf :-| |
| 08:27.21 | captain_proton | sussudio: i believe we have already assumed that no dougmap has ever been playable |
| 08:27.46 | captain_proton | hm |
| 08:34.38 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: i think riker new about just off the ground problem, he didn't know about |
| 08:34.47 | MrApathyCream | box |
| 08:34.48 | MrApathyCream | position 0 0 10 |
| 08:34.48 | MrApathyCream | size 10- 10- 5 |
| 08:34.48 | MrApathyCream | rotation 0 |
| 08:34.48 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 08:34.48 | MrApathyCream | pyramid |
| 08:34.51 | MrApathyCream | position -50 0 15 |
| 08:34.53 | MrApathyCream | size 20 20 20 |
| 08:34.54 | MrApathyCream | rotation 0 |
| 08:34.58 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 08:35.01 | MrApathyCream | box |
| 08:35.02 | MrApathyCream | position 50 0 15 |
| 08:35.05 | MrApathyCream | size 20 20 20 |
| 08:35.07 | MrApathyCream | rotation 0 |
| 08:35.09 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 08:35.11 | MrApathyCream | oops, s/-10/100/ |
| 08:35.17 | MrApathyCream | er s/10-/100/ |
| 08:36.49 | MrApathyCream | the point: boxes work here, pyrs do not |
| 08:37.04 | captain_proton | hm |
| 08:38.48 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: BTW, i got xwindows to work :) in vga 320x200 :( |
| 08:39.01 | MrApathyCream | so it's still useless |
| 08:39.06 | scanline | haha |
| 08:39.37 | scanline | better than CGA 320x200 |
| 08:39.51 | MrApathyCream | not much |
| 08:40.08 | MrApathyCream | you can't see an entire dialog, so .... |
| 08:40.11 | scanline | 256 colors are always better than 4 |
| 08:40.35 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, it actually might be cga, now that you say that |
| 08:45.06 | scanline | CGA had 4 colors at 320x200 and black&white at 640x400 most notably, VGA had the spiffy Mode 0x13: 320x200, 256 colors. There were also variations of Mode 0x13 that ran at 320x240, 320x480, and stranger resolutions |
| 08:45.43 | scanline | 320x200x8 commands you! |
| 08:46.04 | sussudio | 320x240 |
| 08:46.13 | scanline | 320x200 |
| 08:46.19 | sussudio | 720x480 |
| 08:46.23 | scanline | 320x200 |
| 08:46.48 | scanline | Mode 0x13 was enough for IBM, it's enough for you. None of this Mode X.... |
| 08:48.20 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:48.47 | sussudio | herc/cga/ega/vga in one! |
| 08:48.55 | scanline | those were so cool! first card I ever had that supported 16-bit color |
| 08:49.16 | sussudio | it wouldnt let me load a vesa driver :-| |
| 08:49.33 | scanline | and the only program that actually supported 16-bit color I had was this really slow raytracer |
| 08:49.36 | sussudio | only the paradise 512k would. |
| 08:49.43 | captain_proton | best 2d card i ever owned was a number nine |
| 08:50.23 | sussudio | 'owned' as in past tense? |
| 08:51.22 | scanline | ow, prickly |
| 08:51.40 | sussudio | i have a wang card somewhere..... stupid thing was bigger than a full-sized 386 board |
| 08:51.47 | captain_proton | yes, past tense |
| 08:52.06 | scanline | biggest card I had was a combination CGA card and CRT controller for a Compaq Portable I |
| 08:52.13 | scanline | s/had/have/ |
| 08:52.35 | sussudio | i have an olivetti portable with built-in crt and 20mb harddisk with windows 1.0 on it |
| 08:52.52 | scanline | full height drive? |
| 08:53.01 | sussudio | no, half |
| 08:53.19 | sussudio | i have an IBM PC with 2 160K full height drives though |
| 08:53.21 | scanline | my Compaq portable has a full height 20MB HD, full height 5.25" disk, small (6" or so) green on black CRT |
| 08:54.01 | scanline | sadly the floppy drive is slightly broken, you have to hold down the lever on the front for the disk to stay in.. other than that it's in great shape |
| 08:55.17 | sussudio | hmm can i floppy a 160k disk on a 320 drive? |
| 08:55.23 | sussudio | format |
| 08:55.38 | scanline | yeah |
| 08:55.41 | scanline | I think so |
| 08:56.03 | sussudio | cool... now to find an msdos 1.0 160k image somewhere |
| 08:56.31 | scanline | oldest I have is 2.0 |
| 08:56.44 | sussudio | i dont think it'll run on 64k mem |
| 08:56.55 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:57.05 | scanline | My compaq portable is fully upgraded to 640k :) |
| 08:57.07 | sussudio | there's either a 2 or 4.77mhz 8088 in there |
| 08:58.00 | sussudio | i could put an athlon board in it and be on slashdot :-P |
| 08:59.52 | scanline | ha |
| 09:01.47 | captain_proton | ohhhh MrApathyCream -now- i understand what you were talking about re: pyramids |
| 09:02.27 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i've taken uninterested looks at it before - the pyramid obstacle looks like its always on the ground, but the height ends up being the total heigh |
| 09:04.51 | MrApathyCream | how to got ifstream ctor to fail if file doesn't exist? |
| 09:05.39 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 09:06.02 | MrApathyCream | ifstream test("c:\thisdoesntexist", std::ios::in ); |
| 09:06.10 | MrApathyCream | succeeeds and creates c:\thisdoesntexist |
| 09:06.18 | MrApathyCream | how to get that to fail |
| 09:06.19 | captain_proton | shouldn't create |
| 09:06.24 | MrApathyCream | is |
| 09:06.35 | MrApathyCream | bzfs -world c:\thisdoesntexist.bzw |
| 09:06.41 | MrApathyCream | causes a new blank world |
| 09:08.58 | MrApathyCream | ios::nocreate |
| 09:09.46 | captain_proton | nocreate was deprecated |
| 09:10.09 | MrApathyCream | no one told windoz |
| 09:10.16 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 09:10.22 | MrApathyCream | but i can at least see my screen |
| 09:10.29 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~]$ bzfs -world nonexistant |
| 09:10.29 | captain_proton | could not find bzflag world file : nonexistant |
| 09:10.50 | captain_proton | may have to add ios::nocreate just for windows |
| 09:11.13 | MrApathyCream | yes, just did |
| 09:15.49 | MrApathyCream | whoa, i think some one is on the roof, brb |
| 09:17.10 | captain_proton | (damn troublemaker kids) |
| 09:17.11 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, must have been hearin things |
| 09:22.01 | captain_proton | welp, i think its off to bed for me |
| 09:22.03 | captain_proton | 'night MrApathyCream |
| 09:22.07 | MrApathyCream | cu |
| 09:22.16 | MrApathyCream | hope you get the new tank |
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| 10:43.17 | sussudio | bunnies! |
| 10:43.24 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 10:43.41 | scanline | hehe |
| 10:54.03 | niksie | anyone has bzflag working on macosx? |
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| 11:29.10 | ak|ra | moinsen |
| 11:29.19 | ak|ra | happy xmas to all you bastards :) |
| 11:34.20 | scanline | Happy Birthday, sir Issac Newton1 |
| 11:34.23 | scanline | s/1/!/ |
| 11:35.40 | ak|ra | :) |
| 11:44.56 | niksie | hi |
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| 15:16.20 | Chestal | fiberchunks: alive? |
| 15:34.08 | jzaun | Marry xmas all |
| 15:36.13 | Chestal | thanks jzaun, same to you |
| 15:58.55 | scanline | 1.21 jiggawatts! great scott! |
| 15:59.28 | scanline | "What the hell is a jiggawatt?" |
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| 16:17.42 | scanline | whoa cool! |
| 16:17.44 | scanline | http://www.bttf.com/graphics/jigowatt.gif |
| 16:17.48 | scanline | I've always wanted one of those |
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| 16:19.32 | vogon | d00d |
| 16:19.41 | vogon | their spelling sucks. |
| 16:19.45 | vogon | "gigawatt." |
| 16:19.55 | scanline | jiggawatts :P |
| 16:19.59 | vogon | I mean, best time travel movie ever. |
| 16:20.02 | scanline | it's how he pronounces it in the movie |
| 16:20.15 | vogon | scanline: and "jigga" is an appropriate pronunciation of "giga." |
| 16:20.24 | vogon | but if you're going to misspell "gigawatt", why even bother? |
| 16:20.47 | scanline | heh.. because jiggawatt is funnier than gigawatt? |
| 16:21.04 | vogon | and because it's horribly wrong? |
| 16:21.08 | scanline | I've never heard anyone pronounce gigawatt like that except when imitating the movie |
| 16:21.21 | vogon | giga |
| 16:21.21 | vogon | - /ji'ga/ or /gi'ga/ pref. |
| 16:21.31 | vogon | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=giga |
| 16:21.35 | scanline | and how is d00d not horribly wrong :P |
| 16:22.27 | vogon | because 0 is l33t. |
| 16:22.37 | scanline | heh |
| 16:22.44 | vogon | I mean, jiggawatt is fine with me. |
| 16:22.47 | vogon | but not "jigowatt". |
| 16:22.48 | vogon | NO. |
| 16:23.11 | scanline | well yeah, but it's a funny idea. Maybe I'll do a better version |
| 16:23.50 | vogon | man, firehotquotes.com is so cool. |
| 16:24.14 | vogon | "~*~*~* love is like a baseball game all the boyz are PLAYER§!!*~*~*~" |
| 16:25.07 | vogon | "-ÃMÃ¥GÃNé Ur LÃFé WÃThØuT Mé- -¿MçéRÃ¥BLé HuH?-" |
| 16:26.11 | scanline | I've had it on VHS for a while, and they were wearing out... besides the fact that I don't own anything that would play them |
| 16:26.22 | vogon | "why is everything so 'heavy'? Is there a problem with the earth's gravitational pull in the future?" |
| 16:28.04 | vogon | bah. this site is like a train wreck. I cannot look away. |
| 16:28.16 | vogon | "* i am only ( age ) but i act like 18 and to all my friends out there,you know what i mean** Us girls play around with with these things called boyz** But they use us girls as designated toys*!!*" |
| 16:28.48 | vogon | that sentence is the verbal equivalent of a facefull of buckshot. |
| 16:28.54 | vogon | err. |
| 16:28.56 | vogon | faceful. |
| 16:29.02 | scanline | wow, that's even more leet than AOL |
| 16:29.05 | vogon | yeah. |
| 16:29.36 | vogon | "¤ iF YoU LiVe 2 bE 100 .. ¤ |
| 16:29.37 | vogon | ¤ i WaNNa LiVe 2 bE 100 - MiNuS - 1 ¤ |
| 16:29.37 | vogon | ¤ So i WoN'T HaVe 2 LiVe a DaY ¤ |
| 16:29.37 | vogon | ¤ WiThOuT YoU ¤" |
| 16:29.57 | vogon | or you could live to be 100, because then you'll both die on the same day. |
| 16:30.14 | vogon | and this assumes that you were both born on the same day. |
| 16:30.39 | vogon | "*I wAnTeD 2 KiLL dA sExiEsT PeRsOn ALiVe ThEn I rELiZeD....oHh Ya! SuCiCiDeZ a CriMe!*" |
| 16:31.04 | vogon | in your case, suicide's not a crime. it's community service. |
| 16:31.34 | vogon | "Your village just called, their missing their idiot!" |
| 16:31.38 | vogon | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. |
| 16:31.40 | vogon | irony++ |
| 16:31.43 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:31.45 | scanline | indeed |
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| 16:32.54 | PerfectCell | lo |
| 16:33.17 | vogon | heya. |
| 16:33.42 | PerfectCell | i decided to put the whole world into one large display list and let it handle by the card |
| 16:34.05 | scanline | how big of a world? |
| 16:34.17 | PerfectCell | 1000 polys |
| 16:34.20 | scanline | oh |
| 16:34.28 | PerfectCell | pretty big |
| 16:34.28 | scanline | not much of a world :) |
| 16:34.35 | scanline | 1000 polys is tiny |
| 16:34.51 | PerfectCell | depens on the object type you use |
| 16:35.00 | PerfectCell | its almost all very rectangular |
| 16:35.32 | scanline | doesn't matter, it's still the same amount of geometry data... and modern cards will eat 100000 polys for breakfast with display lists |
| 16:36.20 | PerfectCell | oh, cool than i can make a more complex world |
| 16:36.56 | PerfectCell | can you put texture changes into a display list |
| 16:37.15 | scanline | but it's generally pretty nieve to just throw everything into a display list, since it will end up processing a lot of data that's never displayed |
| 16:37.32 | scanline | IIRC you can put texture changes in, but it slows things down.. but I don't remember for sure |
| 16:38.07 | scanline | if you have a static world, you should probably use an octree or BSP tree, and create display lists sorted by texture |
| 16:38.09 | PerfectCell | yes but, i think it is faster if it is on card memory to draw the whole world each frame than checkng what is inside the frustum |
| 16:38.51 | scanline | that depends on how big the world is and how detailed it is. In any reasonaly non-small level there will be way more data that never gets displayed than what's actually rendered |
| 16:39.35 | PerfectCell | yes thats especially true fro indoor scens, but on outdoor scenes, i dont know |
| 16:40.11 | scanline | in outdoor scenes you're probably never going to be viewing more than 40% or so of your level, and if it's a large world you'll be viewing much less |
| 16:40.15 | PerfectCell | i mean it is a bzflag style world |
| 16:40.28 | scanline | even bzflag uses a BSP tree, doesn't it? |
| 16:40.43 | PerfectCell | not that i knew |
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| 16:41.06 | PerfectCell | as far as i know it renders everything |
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| 17:07.49 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 17:08.00 | Chestal | I cannot make the GM bug happen here |
| 17:11.42 | PerfectCell | the ansitropic texture filter is an opengl extension i assume, does it make mipmaps? |
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| 17:34.22 | Nicole | hello |
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| 17:47.43 | iluxa | ~ducati |
| 17:47.52 | iluxa | ibot: ducati |
| 17:48.03 | iluxa | ibot: ducati.bzflag.org |
| 17:48.05 | | iluxa: i don't know |
| 17:48.11 | iluxa | hmmm... |
| 17:50.26 | scanline | vogon: aha! The subtitles on the DVD say "jigawatts" |
| 17:50.36 | vogon | hahaha. |
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| 19:06.26 | [TeA|TrEE] | i need somewone who can ban a cheater on ducati |
| 19:06.27 | [TeA|TrEE] | plz |
| 19:06.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | its BuBu |
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| 20:29.07 | hardwire | hi |
| 20:29.35 | scanline | hi hardwire |
| 20:32.01 | hardwire | hi |
| 20:32.04 | hardwire | hows life |
| 20:32.21 | scanline | present, I think |
| 20:32.33 | hardwire | not extrapresent.. ? just present? |
| 20:32.45 | scanline | maybe |
| 20:33.49 | captain_proton | haha, whoops |
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| 20:34.07 | captain_proton | i imed a friend of mine about the whole newton birthday thing but forgot that today was *her* birthday :P |
| 20:34.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;) |
| 20:34.18 | hardwire | captain_proton: oops |
| 20:34.38 | captain_proton | she came back in style though |
| 20:34.51 | captain_proton | "looks like a lot of amazing geniuses were born today" |
| 20:36.12 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:36.13 | MrApathyCream | d'oh! |
| 20:36.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | d`h |
| 20:36.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | M_A_C |
| 20:36.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | g1 sucks |
| 20:36.51 | Cell | how do i make a smooth texture transition between two textures? |
| 20:36.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | found a few mistakes in there |
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| 20:37.06 | captain_proton | scanline: is a jigawatt like a jigabyte? |
| 20:37.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | M_A_C: ?? |
| 20:37.15 | captain_proton | Cell: by making a 3d texture |
| 20:37.17 | scanline | captain_proton: only when there are 1.21 of them |
| 20:37.22 | MrApathyCream | huh? |
| 20:37.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | M_A_C: in g1 if reconnect a few time to other teams the 2end time it knocks you out of bzflag lol |
| 20:37.52 | scanline | Cell: depends on what sort of effect you want.. 3d texture, multitexturing with alpha channels, or messing with texture coordinates could transition in different ways |
| 20:38.34 | Cell | imagine there is beach sand meeting sea(water) texture |
| 20:38.58 | scanline | 3D texturing if it's hardware accelerated, but on consumer hardware multitexturing is best for that |
| 20:39.40 | Cell | 3d texturing how thatß |
| 20:39.46 | Cell | ? |
| 20:40.16 | scanline | well if you have 128x128 textures for sand and water, you could make a 128x128x2 3D texture with both |
| 20:41.21 | Cell | oh understand |
| 20:41.27 | scanline | then you'd assign 's' and 't' as normal, but use 'r' to fade between the two |
| 20:41.41 | Cell | rgth |
| 20:42.07 | Cell | does nvidia mx 2 400 support that |
| 20:42.32 | captain_proton | its part of the gl spec, so its supported |
| 20:42.32 | scanline | it's core opengl so any complete implementation supports it, but I'm not sure if most cards hardware accelerate it well |
| 20:42.34 | captain_proton | its just slow |
| 20:42.49 | Cell | by the way the anisotrohic filter mode is an opengl extension? |
| 20:43.04 | scanline | yes |
| 20:43.04 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 20:43.23 | Cell | and it needs no mipmaps? |
| 20:43.27 | scanline | what are you using anisotropic filtering for? |
| 20:43.56 | Cell | want to save texture mem, if it does not build mipmaps chain |
| 20:44.11 | Cell | and heard that it looks better |
| 20:44.13 | scanline | ... |
| 20:44.18 | scanline | that's not what anisotropic filtering is for |
| 20:44.41 | Cell | why not? |
| 20:45.28 | scanline | well I haven't looked at anisotropic in a while, but IIRC it uses mipmaps in the same way as trilinear filtering, but it's higher quality |
| 20:46.16 | Cell | oh, bad |
| 20:46.29 | Cell | dont like mipmaps |
| 20:46.47 | scanline | if you don't want to use mipmaps you don't have to, that doesn't have anything to do with whether you use nearest, linear, or anisotropic filtering really |
| 20:47.16 | Cell | dont understand |
| 20:47.50 | scanline | well you can use GL_LINEAR and it doesn't use mipmaps, or you can use something like GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR and it does... you should go find a tutorial on opengl texturing and mipmapping |
| 20:48.44 | Cell | hm, k |
| 20:49.23 | Cell | have areally nice skybox from quake2 :) |
| 20:49.27 | scanline | mipmaps really increase the texturing quality though, so if I were you I wouldn't worry so much about using too much texture memory with them on recent cards |
| 20:49.42 | Cell | and some .rgb textures from bzflag |
| 20:50.08 | scanline | that's got to violate a few licenses |
| 20:50.23 | Cell | lol |
| 20:50.30 | Cell | ridiculous |
| 20:50.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducatictf |
| 20:51.10 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmm |
| 20:51.15 | [TeA|TrEE] | boring players :((( |
| 20:51.16 | scanline | Cell: the quake2 artwork is still proprietary, the bzflag stuff is GPL... |
| 20:52.09 | Cell | i cannot load the pyramid wall texture with 3d studio, but most i can load |
| 20:52.24 | Cell | whats wrong with the others? |
| 20:53.00 | scanline | you must be really terrible at drawing textures if you're using the bzflag textures instead of drawing some ;) |
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| 20:54.22 | Cell | hey they are pretty good, it is really hard to get good textures together from the web |
| 20:54.32 | scanline | what license is your game under? |
| 20:54.43 | Cell | and drawing them myself is waste of time power 2 |
| 20:54.51 | Cell | no licence |
| 20:55.05 | scanline | what do you mean by no license, public domain? |
| 20:55.12 | Cell | its here when it will be here and thts it |
| 20:56.23 | scanline | unless the place you're getting artwork from specifically allows you to use it anywhere for any reason, there's probably a reason not to use it. Using the bzflag artwork in anything that's not GPL is illegal, and using the quake2 artwork at all is illegal. |
| 20:56.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducati |
| 20:56.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducatictf |
| 20:57.06 | scanline | captain_proton: ibot needs a ~gplslap or something |
| 20:57.10 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmm |
| 20:58.00 | Cell | crashed |
| 20:58.15 | captain_proton | scanline: i dunno the syntax for fishslap |
| 20:58.23 | Cell | lost little work |
| 21:05.35 | Cell | shit i dont get the skybox textures on the right box faces |
| 21:06.11 | scanline | I know I'd be pissed if you used my GPL'ed code or images in a project with a commercial or even a public domain license |
| 21:06.14 | captain_proton | hah...skybox...thats funny |
| 21:07.02 | scanline | Cell: are you planning on doing your own artwork later, or just going to keep ripping off stuff from other projects? |
| 21:07.18 | Cell | scanline: i use only my own stuff, just now for testing and development, i dont waste my time to make a nice skybox |
| 21:07.43 | scanline | Cell: you could at least go download terragen and render a skybox if that's what you want |
| 21:08.00 | Cell | no, i render it with 3d studio |
| 21:08.18 | scanline | thought you said you got the skybox from quake2? |
| 21:08.58 | Cell | i do, but later i planned to make my own of coz |
| 21:09.15 | scanline | if you can use a skybox from quake2, you can use one from terragen |
| 21:09.39 | Cell | ok, i look at terragen later |
| 21:10.00 | scanline | terragen is at least "Free for noncommercial use" rather than being completely proprietary like quake |
| 21:11.38 | scanline | BZFlag might have something to say about you using GPL'ed textures from his project... |
| 21:12.28 | Cell | oh i use only the box wall texture for some of my pyramids |
| 21:12.47 | scanline | doesn't make it any less GPL'ed |
| 21:13.17 | Cell | i bet they have it from somewhere |
| 21:14.00 | captain_proton | iirc the bzflag textures were created by one of crs' cornell buddies |
| 21:14.40 | Cell | do they offer some more textures on a webpage maybe? |
| 21:14.52 | scanline | Cell: go find a gimp tutorial... |
| 21:15.12 | Cell | gimp lol i use photoshop |
| 21:15.35 | scanline | not only does using textures from other people's projects or random web pages violate licenses, but games without original artwork are usually extremely cheesy |
| 21:16.20 | Cell | i will use cell shading any way and only some red textures |
| 21:16.31 | Cell | at the end |
| 21:16.58 | scanline | then why do you need other people's textures for testing? leave things untextured, or draw a stand-in texture in photoshop |
| 21:17.20 | scanline | I'm sure if you managed to download a copy of photoshop you can figure out how to create a pink rectangle or something in it and save it |
| 21:17.31 | Cell | why shall i if it is on my harddrive |
| 21:18.22 | Cell | you forget that i am solo until now and dont waste my time with playing with teture creation |
| 21:18.58 | scanline | if you're doing any sort of graphics programming you should at least know how to create something that could be considered a texture |
| 21:19.28 | Cell | i wrote a export script for gmax so everyone interested in making worlds for my game could use what texture he wants |
| 21:19.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducatictf |
| 21:20.01 | scanline | good for you |
| 21:20.23 | Cell | scanline: im think i am pretty good at image editing |
| 21:20.56 | Cell | so i know how to make things work better than you i think , lol |
| 21:21.24 | scanline | hmm, and you can't create a texture yourself? |
| 21:21.24 | Cell | and im better in mathematics than you too |
| 21:23.59 | Cell | than you all together |
| 21:24.44 | captain_proton | "well i'm very good at mathematics" |
| 21:24.59 | Cell | and im better |
| 21:26.18 | Cell | maybe you should have a look on my site under lectures i successfully done |
| 21:26.32 | Cell | than you would see that you cannot compete |
| 21:27.28 | MrApathyCream | Now that's the christmas spirit! |
| 21:27.47 | Cell | lol, yes |
| 21:34.56 | scanline | haha |
| 21:40.30 | scanline | Cell: do you know much about making procedural textures using fourier synthesis? |
| 21:48.34 | Cell | do you know the z-Transform |
| 21:51.04 | scanline | no. I worked with the Laplace transform for circuit analysis, but no Z-transform |
| 21:52.12 | Cell | the z transform is a combination of the laplace and fourier transformation |
| 21:52.26 | Cell | for complex numbers |
| 21:55.12 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducatictf |
| 21:55.19 | [TeA|TrEE] | hurry up |
| 21:55.24 | [TeA|TrEE] | Damn it |
| 21:55.28 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducati |
| 21:55.34 | [TeA|TrEE] | No Players |
| 21:55.36 | [TeA|TrEE] | jaja |
| 21:56.07 | scanline | Cell: how about b-trees? |
| 21:56.30 | [TeA|TrEE] | dont u like tree`s ? |
| 21:56.33 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;) |
| 21:56.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | Save the TeA TrEE`s |
| 21:56.40 | Cell | what's that |
| 21:56.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | :) |
| 21:57.18 | Cell | binary trees? |
| 21:57.36 | scanline | Cell: sorted balanced tree optimized for magnetic media... each node has a large number of children |
| 21:58.18 | Cell | dont remeber that now |
| 21:58.23 | scanline | ReiserFS uses B*-trees, which are similar to B-trees :) |
| 21:58.49 | Cell | what stuff is that: informatics? |
| 21:59.13 | scanline | data structures, algorithms, basic computer science? |
| 21:59.37 | Cell | oh there is a lot of that stuff |
| 21:59.45 | scanline | yeah, there is |
| 22:00.41 | scanline | was just curious if you'd used them... done anything with BSP trees, quadtrees, or octrees? |
| 22:01.17 | Cell | no |
| 22:02.07 | Cell | but i plan to use a octree for collision detection, i have a world collision mesh and a world draw stuff mesh |
| 22:02.08 | scanline | you should look into those... so you won't be just sticking your entire world in a display list |
| 22:02.20 | scanline | "draw stuff mesh"? |
| 22:02.36 | Cell | yes the polygons that go all into the display list |
| 22:02.58 | Cell | and the collisionmesh is octreed |
| 22:03.09 | scanline | why not have one mesh, and give polygons an extra bit or two to enable collision detection... and store that in an octree you'd use for collision detection and frustum culling |
| 22:03.39 | Cell | i dont thing that frustum culling will speed me up |
| 22:03.59 | scanline | try it... it should |
| 22:04.34 | scanline | the card can cull individual vertices, but with an octree you can cull out entire subtrees at once.. that's the whole point of using them |
| 22:04.36 | Cell | yes i can but the problem is the sorting of the polygons by texture |
| 22:04.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducatictf |
| 22:04.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | grr |
| 22:05.02 | Cell | this takes time |
| 22:05.48 | Cell | not much if you do it clever, like patlabor221, but it still takes time and is more difficult to code |
| 22:06.18 | scanline | there are a couple easy ways to do that just off the top of my head.. you could store the triangles in each octree node sorted by texture, and use a merge sort when rendering, or you could keep separate octrees for each texture. I'm sure there are better ways if you think about it for more than a couple seconds. |
| 22:07.05 | scanline | But you're an awesome coder and you're better than all of us at math, so octrees shouldn't be any problem for you, right? |
| 22:07.55 | Cell | hey i did not say i am an awasome code, most of you are better than me, but i doubt it considering math skills |
| 22:09.35 | Cell | i never coded an octree, and i am really afraid of splitting the triangles at octree boundaries |
| 22:10.05 | Cell | and also i am afraid of traversing the tree too slow |
| 22:11.03 | Cell | not that i did not know how to do that mathematicaly, but numerically i dont trust floating point numbers |
| 22:11.17 | scanline | heh |
| 22:11.26 | Cell | so i am very afraid when calculating anything numerically |
| 22:12.14 | Cell | to say the truth i get panic |
| 22:12.59 | scanline | well that's not going to get you very far in computer graphics... |
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| 22:18.36 | captain_proton | trick to sorting by texture: |
| 22:18.42 | captain_proton | 2-pass |
| 22:19.16 | scanline | captain_proton: I don't know if there's going to be much point to sorting by texture in jetstream considering the amount of multitexturing it will probably end up doing |
| 22:20.14 | Cell | yes how do ypu handle the multi textures? |
| 22:20.19 | Cell | you |
| 22:20.23 | captain_proton | Cell: using ARB_multitexture |
| 22:20.32 | Cell | and sorting |
| 22:20.33 | captain_proton | or i guess by now its EXT_multitexture |
| 22:21.18 | Cell | i assume every face/polygon has multiple texture id's |
| 22:21.32 | captain_proton | scanline: within the next year or so, opengl2 will be out, then we don't need to sort by texture because all textures are bound at once |
| 22:21.40 | scanline | hmm, true |
| 22:21.48 | Cell | really!? |
| 22:22.14 | captain_proton | Cell: yes, they're making the texture handling more like directx's, so that noone will have an excuse not to use opengl |
| 22:22.34 | Cell | but directX uses texture binding as well |
| 22:23.14 | captain_proton | Cell: yes but in directx there's no time penalty because its just a selection and not a copy |
| 22:23.33 | Cell | and in opengl its a copy i doubt it |
| 22:25.12 | Cell | i tooks time because if you bind a texture, some states of the rendering device have to change that are time consuming, opengl does not copy the texture |
| 22:25.43 | captain_proton | the opengl state machine takes no time to change |
| 22:26.06 | captain_proton | the issue is that the opengl 1.x spec puts the fill buffer and texture memory in very different parts of the pipeline |
| 22:26.15 | captain_proton | specifically: different format |
| 22:27.30 | Cell | what is the fill buffer, the frame buffer? |
| 22:27.47 | Cell | or the texture buffer |
| 22:27.52 | captain_proton | no, fill buffer is where the current texture is stored as it fills rasterized polygons |
| 22:28.06 | Cell | ok |
| 22:28.23 | Cell | than it needs a copy as scanline said |
| 22:29.35 | scanline | what did I say? |
| 22:30.47 | Cell | copy |
| 22:31.13 | scanline | I didn't say that, captain_proton did |
| 22:31.28 | Cell | oh, right, my fault |
| 22:48.38 | [TeA|TrEE] | proton ? |
| 22:56.18 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot ducatictf |
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| 23:14.06 | [TeA|TrEE] | night all |
| 23:14.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | MrApathy in g1 tanks are hopping to much around ;) |
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| 23:24.35 | MrApathyCream | what server |
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