| 00:02.35 | Patlabor221 | most ebay people only make money on shiping and handaling |
| 00:03.23 | captain_proton | its not unresonable given the weight |
| 00:03.26 | captain_proton | but still |
| 00:03.27 | captain_proton | it sucks |
| 00:04.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:04.32 | Patlabor221 | didn't someone make a mac project builder file for bz? |
| 00:10.29 | Nidhoggr | hrm. "arizona chicken" that must mean it's very dry and tastes like rocks. |
| 00:11.58 | Chestal | my avi+mp3/ac3 -> ogm+ogg and PAL speedup script is almost done |
| 00:12.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh man I can't beilve this runs on OSX |
| 00:12.44 | Patlabor221 | first "game" I ever made |
| 00:12.44 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/picture2.jpg |
| 00:12.58 | Patlabor221 | proalby should have not tied it to the frame rate tho |
| 00:14.13 | Nidhoggr | it's kinda purdy |
| 00:14.58 | Nidhoggr | I just reinstalled 10.2 from scratch yesterday.. when I first did it I upgraded my 10.1.5 |
| 00:15.22 | Patlabor221 | when we made it we were happy to get 15 fps |
| 00:15.29 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 00:15.29 | Patlabor221 | now it holds 120 |
| 00:15.31 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: dos the game work? |
| 00:16.07 | bzdoug_ | no, not a subspace client for OS X? |
| 00:16.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: heey |
| 00:16.17 | captain_proton | looks like one of my first games |
| 00:16.38 | Patlabor221 | it uses the old origonal SS grpahics |
| 00:16.42 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:16.45 | Patlabor221 | and define "work" |
| 00:16.52 | bzdoug_ | fully playable? |
| 00:17.02 | bzdoug_ | the way you said that means its not workings |
| 00:17.04 | Patlabor221 | define "play" |
| 00:17.09 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 00:17.13 | bzdoug_ | I see |
| 00:17.44 | Patlabor221 | wonder where the windows version is |
| 00:18.32 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 00:18.51 | Nidhoggr | anyone know about this issue with AMD and Radeons that is mentioned in some of the bzflag discussions? |
| 00:19.01 | Patlabor221 | hell I even had a map editor for it |
| 00:19.09 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:19.18 | bzdoug_ | so this is basicly a subspace clone? |
| 00:19.29 | Patlabor221 | that was the plan |
| 00:19.40 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:19.56 | Patlabor221 | but with realy shitty collision detection |
| 00:20.16 | bzdoug_ | hmm, collision detection? |
| 00:20.17 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 00:20.18 | bzdoug_ | Imageine if you will, a tank game, but with no tanks. |
| 00:20.25 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 00:20.31 | Patlabor221 | no that's something else |
| 00:20.34 | Patlabor221 | entirely |
| 00:20.36 | bzdoug_ | imaging if you will, a tank game, without any tanks |
| 00:21.07 | bzdoug_ | So I'm bored at work. Here are some team logos. |
| 00:21.19 | bzdoug_ | hope your boss doest see that |
| 00:21.24 | Patlabor221 | again something else |
| 00:21.38 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 00:21.40 | bzdoug_ | does it work? |
| 00:21.41 | Patlabor221 | they don't even know the domain exists |
| 00:21.53 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 00:21.55 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 00:22.25 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 00:22.59 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquery 24.80.130.30:5155 |
| 00:23.48 | Nidhoggr | he was on dragon.org earlier, just he and I, using corndawg's new map. |
| 00:24.12 | Nidhoggr | that map makes it too easy to camp with GM, but it's a nice map. |
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| 00:29.36 | corndawg | huh? |
| 00:30.05 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 00:30.13 | corndawg | ohh lol |
| 00:30.22 | corndawg | yea its got its flaws :) |
| 00:30.28 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 00:30.28 | corndawg | all maps do tho |
| 00:30.30 | Nidhoggr | fun though |
| 00:30.32 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 00:30.43 | corndawg | i got another one commin up that im thinkin bout |
| 00:30.53 | Nidhoggr | I'd like to see megadome as a CTF map |
| 00:30.55 | captain_proton | erg |
| 00:30.59 | captain_proton | surface is still buggy |
| 00:31.01 | captain_proton | scanline! |
| 00:31.05 | captain_proton | i summon thee |
| 00:31.19 | corndawg | first half all underground in tunnels... above ground... and in mid air :) |
| 00:31.25 | corndawg | should be intresting |
| 00:31.30 | corndawg | for a second map that is |
| 00:31.42 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 00:31.44 | Nidhoggr | sounds fun |
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| 00:32.10 | Nidhoggr | I tried the windows editor... I think older one, and had a really hard time getting creative with it. |
| 00:32.25 | Patlabor221 | well the old ones suck |
| 00:33.24 | Nidhoggr | is there newer one for windows? |
| 00:37.22 | Patlabor221 | what version do you have? |
| 00:38.21 | Nidhoggr | it's at home, so I am not sure... when I was looking for bzedit, I couldn't get to main site, because it was down/unreachable, so I found older one on another site. |
| 00:38.23 | [TeA] | my bz doesnt like me |
| 00:38.29 | [TeA] | its getting day for day worse |
| 00:39.35 | Patlabor221 | well the latest is allways at www.artemisgames.com/bzedit |
| 00:39.49 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. that wsa the site that was down :) |
| 00:39.54 | Nidhoggr | I'll try when I get home |
| 00:39.57 | Nidhoggr | it was a few weeks ago |
| 00:39.59 | Patlabor221 | it was? |
| 00:40.04 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 00:40.09 | Patlabor221 | perhaps just your rout to it |
| 00:40.12 | Nidhoggr | it might have been network thing |
| 00:40.13 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 00:40.33 | Patlabor221 | cus it's a beffy ass data center in wyoming |
| 00:41.25 | Patlabor221 | now bakadigital could go down at any time, cus it's on this machine on the floor next to me |
| 00:41.32 | Nidhoggr | it looks easier and nicer from screen shots. |
| 00:41.53 | Patlabor221 | basic interface is the same as the normal bzedit |
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| 00:42.16 | Nidhoggr | there were some bad routing issues all over a few weeks ago because AOL shut off peering for cogent networks. |
| 00:42.32 | Nidhoggr | it's still not totally happy from that. |
| 00:43.09 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflisyt |
| 00:43.12 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 00:43.14 | Patlabor221 | just has draging and some more tools |
| 00:43.26 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 00:43.41 | bzdoug_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.41 | Nidhoggr | dragging was a big one for me. |
| 00:43.43 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 00:44.00 | Patlabor221 | it has a from of draging\ |
| 00:45.08 | Nidhoggr | mine looks like the pic of 1.5.2 |
| 00:45.24 | Patlabor221 | it's up to 1.5.9f6 now |
| 00:45.40 | Nidhoggr | I'll download a new one when I get home, then. |
| 00:55.56 | [TeA] | i dont understand |
| 00:56.10 | [TeA] | i have a damn fst pc , and its not working porpaly :( |
| 00:56.29 | [TeA] | cant even open the windows programms ... |
| 00:58.25 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 00:59.43 | bzdoug_ | reboot |
| 00:59.45 | bzdoug_ | ~reboot |
| 01:00.16 | corndawg | welp... off i go to make muh second bzflag map lol |
| 01:00.29 | bzdoug_ | lolololol |
| 01:00.58 | bzdoug_ | well?.... |
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| 01:04.40 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream.... how glad I am to see you... and we all greet you |
| 01:09.42 | [TeA] | tad! |
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| 01:11.44 | [dmp] | chestal? |
| 01:11.49 | Chestal | [dmp]: yes? |
| 01:11.55 | [dmp] | ibot ducatictf |
| 01:11.57 | bzgirl | hello [dmp] |
| 01:12.00 | [dmp] | hi |
| 01:12.04 | [dmp] | guess what :-) |
| 01:12.06 | bzgirl | ugh |
| 01:12.12 | bzgirl | bob |
| 01:13.56 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA] (~[TeA|Zee]@pD9E95C4D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:14.11 | [dmp] | thanks alot :) |
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| 01:17.07 | [TeA] | how do u get onto save mode in xp? |
| 01:17.33 | bzdoug_ | safe mode |
| 01:17.46 | [TeA] | ... |
| 01:21.05 | Patlabor221 | f8 at startup |
| 01:21.29 | bzdoug_ | ok then f8 |
| 01:23.39 | bzgirl | hey Hamster_AFK, you awake? |
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| 01:36.05 | bzdoug_ | bzgirl: gee, what does AFK mean anyway? |
| 01:36.18 | [TeA] | away from keyboad |
| 01:36.21 | [TeA] | AFK |
| 01:36.23 | bzdoug_ | ahhhh |
| 01:36.24 | bzdoug_ | I see |
| 01:36.27 | [TeA] | brb |
| 01:36.32 | [TeA] | be right back |
| 01:36.33 | [TeA] | ;) |
| 01:36.38 | bzdoug_ | AFK |
| 01:36.38 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 01:36.55 | [TeA] | rofl |
| 01:36.57 | [TeA] | hehe |
| 01:37.08 | [TeA] | night all |
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| 01:43.46 | bzdoug_ | DIE!!!!!! |
| 01:43.48 | bzdoug_ | ~die |
| 01:43.52 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 01:43.52 | bzdoug_ | ~kill |
| 01:43.53 | | ACTION kills all the morons |
| 01:43.53 | Nidhoggr | re |
| 01:43.53 | bzdoug_ | ~shoot |
| 01:43.54 | | ACTION shoots $1 in the head |
| 01:44.02 | bzdoug_ | oh, hi |
| 01:44.07 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 01:44.21 | Nidhoggr | you must be $1, nice to meet you. ;) |
| 01:44.32 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 01:44.39 | bzdoug_ | ~shoot Nidhoggr |
| 01:45.05 | Nidhoggr | has anyone considered putting command line options into a config file instead, or make it accept both? |
| 01:45.12 | Nidhoggr | for bzfs |
| 01:45.21 | bzdoug_ | that would be sweet |
| 01:45.31 | bzdoug_ | like bzfs -config server.conf |
| 01:45.34 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 01:45.37 | bzdoug_ | or by default |
| 01:45.40 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 01:45.41 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 01:45.43 | bzdoug_ | that |
| 01:45.47 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 01:45.50 | bzdoug_ | would be trually cool |
| 01:45.54 | bzdoug_ | yup yup |
| 01:46.07 | Nidhoggr | I wonder how hard it would be to do |
| 01:46.14 | Nidhoggr | I wish I was a programmer. |
| 01:46.23 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: ask BZFlag captain_proton Chestal or MrApathyCream |
| 01:46.26 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 01:46.27 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 01:47.46 | Nidhoggr | :) what message board for suggestion gets read the most? |
| 01:48.08 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:48.13 | bzdoug_ | sourceforge |
| 01:48.14 | bzdoug_ | I guess |
| 01:48.30 | Nidhoggr | cool. I'll post suggestion there. |
| 01:48.52 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 01:49.00 | bzdoug_ | its been talked about here I think |
| 01:49.02 | bzdoug_ | ~seen captain_proton |
| 01:49.07 | | captain_proton is currently on #picogui #bzflag. Has said a total of 379 messages. Is idling for 1h 18m 2s |
| 01:56.16 | Nidhoggr | submitted it on feature request. |
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| 02:05.57 | BZFlag | Nidhoggr: we've talked about it yes. |
| 02:06.14 | BZFlag | I'd like to get all options to be command line, config file, or interactive. |
| 02:06.29 | BZFlag | the interactive ones would not take effect till a game restart. |
| 02:07.13 | Nidhoggr | good idea. |
| 02:07.19 | Nidhoggr | it'd be very handy. |
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| 02:15.48 | bzdoug___ | sheesh |
| 02:16.06 | bzdoug___ | hmm |
| 02:16.09 | bzdoug___ | 3 bzdougs |
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| 02:16.29 | bzdoug | hehee |
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| 02:29.50 | Nidhoggr | MAC hi. |
| 02:40.35 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 02:41.27 | Nidhoggr | with about 20 people bzfs takes up about .3% of the CPU on a 1ghz p3 with 512mb ram |
| 02:41.44 | Patlabor221 | it's not a CPU intesive app |
| 02:42.21 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 02:42.22 | Nidhoggr | nice |
| 02:52.15 | Patlabor221 | tis a bandwith hog tho |
| 02:55.40 | Nidhoggr | that it is :) |
| 02:58.39 | MrApathyCream | Nidhoggr: why wouldn't you just put the whole cmd line in a batch file? |
| 03:06.15 | Nidhoggr | I do... unix shell script :) |
| 03:06.37 | Nidhoggr | it'd be easier to do it other way. you don't have password visable via ps, etc. |
| 03:06.54 | Nidhoggr | also, it keeps ps nice and clean |
| 03:07.33 | Nidhoggr | people could take a standard config, and edit it, rather than trying to figure out every option in the man page... commented, etc. |
| 03:10.13 | Nidhoggr | it's a more pure unix approach to servers, as well. |
| 03:12.07 | MrApathyCream | so you open it and it looks like.... |
| 03:12.20 | MrApathyCream | -p 5256 -pr 5656 +f good ..... |
| 03:14.00 | Nidhoggr | the config file I envision would be keyworded. it'd still take command line options like before. |
| 03:14.04 | Nidhoggr | like... |
| 03:14.12 | Nidhoggr | maxuser 25 |
| 03:14.20 | Nidhoggr | port 5155 |
| 03:14.22 | Nidhoggr | etc |
| 03:14.53 | MrApathyCream | key value per line? |
| 03:15.01 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 03:15.11 | Nidhoggr | also allows #commented lines |
| 03:15.18 | Nidhoggr | with descriptions, etc. |
| 03:15.42 | Patlabor221 | LOL http://www.machall.com/ |
| 03:16.08 | MrApathyCream | next you'll want to read from db |
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| 03:16.30 | Nidhoggr | nah |
| 03:16.38 | Nidhoggr | db isn't necessary :) |
| 03:16.46 | Patlabor221 | slap a gui on it |
| 03:16.52 | Nidhoggr | config file would really be awesome, though. |
| 03:16.59 | Nidhoggr | no gui either. |
| 03:17.07 | Nidhoggr | that'd not be very unix-like |
| 03:17.08 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 03:17.44 | MrApathyCream | i'll do it +0n19h7 |
| 03:18.26 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 03:18.46 | Nidhoggr | how hard would it be to make it do config file? |
| 03:20.27 | MrApathyCream | config file will be done tonite.. so probably trivial :) |
| 03:20.51 | Nidhoggr | dude, you totally rock |
| 03:21.24 | Patlabor221 | I would say he 37.834% rocks |
| 03:21.42 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 03:22.31 | Nidhoggr | if you need any input, let me know. :) |
| 03:22.36 | Nidhoggr | or any other help. |
| 03:22.45 | Nidhoggr | like testing ;) |
| 03:26.13 | Nidhoggr | there. restarted with ultimate urban combat map and 4 per team limit. |
| 03:26.59 | MrApathyCream | only issue i see what if line has conf file and other settings, ignore settings, override settings, ?? |
| 03:27.22 | Nidhoggr | command line overrides would be typical choice. |
| 03:27.25 | Patlabor221 | command line should override |
| 03:27.30 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 03:27.38 | MrApathyCream | so bzfs -conf my.conf -p 5156 |
| 03:27.43 | MrApathyCream | says -p is 5156 |
| 03:27.44 | Patlabor221 | that way you could change items as a one shot |
| 03:27.49 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 03:28.29 | MrApathyCream | only difficulty (slight) will be bzfs -p 5156 -conf my.conf |
| 03:28.35 | MrApathyCream | but ok |
| 03:28.59 | MrApathyCream | what does |
| 03:29.06 | MrApathyCream | bzfs -conf my.conf -conf your.conf |
| 03:29.07 | MrApathyCream | do |
| 03:29.16 | Patlabor221 | keep last |
| 03:29.30 | Patlabor221 | or you could merget them keeping the last of each setting |
| 03:29.46 | Nidhoggr | or only allow one -conf |
| 03:29.58 | Patlabor221 | what does -p 5155 -p 5156 do now |
| 03:30.02 | Patlabor221 | should do the same as that |
| 03:31.09 | MrApathyCream | dunno prolly keeps last |
| 03:33.50 | Patlabor221 | then I'd match that behavor |
| 03:45.46 | MrApathyCream | i wouldn't call pb&j 'dining' |
| 03:48.50 | Nidhoggr | heh |
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| 04:26.09 | Patlabor221 | no...homemade buritos |
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| 04:55.29 | patlabor221 | hey fiberchunks, you here? |
| 04:59.37 | fiberchunks | yes, what's up |
| 05:00.35 | fiberchunks | allo? |
| 05:02.13 | patlabor221 | ohh here is what those extra spaces look like to me |
| 05:02.14 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/badness.png |
| 05:02.45 | fiberchunks | ah, cool, thx |
| 05:03.03 | patlabor221 | I see it in some other posts too |
| 05:03.20 | fiberchunks | that is entirely bizarre - what browser / os you using? |
| 05:03.35 | patlabor221 | XP IE |
| 05:03.41 | patlabor221 | normal stuff |
| 05:03.44 | captain_proton | Thgis crap! |
| 05:04.01 | patlabor221 | ohh shut it |
| 05:04.04 | fiberchunks | don't see it with any browsers I use -- hrm -- can you post the relevant section of the source for me? (I would do it myself, but as you know, I don't run windows) |
| 05:04.41 | fiberchunks | see if there's extraneous <br /> and cruft of that nature in there |
| 05:05.49 | patlabor221 | ok one sec |
| 05:05.56 | fiberchunks | thx much |
| 05:06.19 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/viewtopic.txt |
| 05:10.28 | fiberchunks | when you get a second -- does it seem to stick with one particular user? |
| 05:10.34 | patlabor221 | no |
| 05:10.55 | patlabor221 | got it with spif and bamf in that post |
| 05:11.33 | fiberchunks | can you post a section of code from the 'care and cleaning of mouse balls' post? |
| 05:11.52 | fiberchunks | the image and the code aren't from the same post, so it's tough to coorelate |
| 05:12.06 | patlabor221 | that's what that one is from |
| 05:12.35 | patlabor221 | I can take an immage of the mouse ball |
| 05:13.11 | captain_proton | patlabor221: you have a version of screamers that will compile on linux? |
| 05:13.21 | fiberchunks | nm, found the problem -- valign=bottom cruft |
| 05:13.31 | fiberchunks | lemme hack it out, one minute |
| 05:15.51 | patlabor221 | cool |
| 05:15.56 | patlabor221 | it just looks odd |
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| 05:18.16 | fiberchunks | not sure if it'll change the posts that exist, but look now, and see if it's different |
| 05:18.18 | patlabor221 | if it's that, it's odd that it dosnt' show on your browser. |
| 05:18.26 | fiberchunks | sure is -- |
| 05:18.55 | patlabor221 | didn't seem to change them at all |
| 05:19.04 | patlabor221 | have to see when someone with out a sig replys |
| 05:19.12 | patlabor221 | my sig is long enough to make up the space it seems |
| 05:19.18 | fiberchunks | hrmph -- well, lemme keep on looking, well, lemme reply |
| 05:19.46 | fiberchunks | look now |
| 05:21.04 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 05:21.15 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/badness1.png |
| 05:21.16 | fiberchunks | did my reply get spaced downward? |
| 05:21.33 | fiberchunks | gah! that's horrific! |
| 05:21.57 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:21.59 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 05:22.13 | fiberchunks | there's a rogue valign in there somewhere, I just gotta find it |
| 05:22.15 | patlabor221 | and look there is a lot of space above the HR too |
| 05:22.31 | scanline | hmm... if IRC had titles like that, we could give bzdoug the "villiage idiot" title |
| 05:22.38 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 05:22.46 | fiberchunks | I think that's a remnant from when I tried to bottom align the signatures - obviously I screwed it up |
| 05:22.48 | scanline | I call "perpetually confused guru of weird code" |
| 05:22.58 | fiberchunks | one minute |
| 05:25.13 | patlabor221 | I call "purveror of useless knowledge" |
| 05:26.51 | patlabor221 | and why do I have fire under my name and everyone else ++++++? |
| 05:26.59 | patlabor221 | and what do the +++++ things mean? |
| 05:27.33 | sussudio | man i cant believe the topic i started has 4 pages now |
| 05:27.40 | sussudio | and it's getting stupider by the message |
| 05:27.55 | patlabor221 | what one is that? |
| 05:28.05 | sussudio | "cheaters" |
| 05:28.17 | sussudio | someone actually suggested using smartcards as bzflag identification |
| 05:28.19 | sussudio | yeah. right. |
| 05:28.22 | patlabor221 | wow on page 4 they are off on smartcards |
| 05:28.45 | fiberchunks | ah, the fire is because I have been too lazy to make a 010001001110101 image for you developers :) |
| 05:29.01 | fiberchunks | and a default 'developer' rank was already made with the fire thingys |
| 05:29.15 | patlabor221 | how long does it have to be? |
| 05:29.29 | fiberchunks | pixel wise, you mean? |
| 05:29.40 | patlabor221 | ya |
| 05:29.43 | sussudio | hmmm i didnt know weasels did tech support |
| 05:29.53 | fiberchunks | around < 130 or so (I think 126 is what those images are now |
| 05:29.59 | captain_proton | bwahaha |
| 05:30.11 | patlabor221 | 128 it is, nice even developer number |
| 05:30.15 | fiberchunks | hrm, want one? |
| 05:30.36 | sussudio | the old board let me set a line below the avatar :-P |
| 05:31.17 | fiberchunks | heheh, you have the fire now |
| 05:31.40 | patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/dev.gif |
| 05:32.07 | fiberchunks | hrm? nothing there |
| 05:32.19 | patlabor221 | to the untrained eye yes |
| 05:32.28 | patlabor221 | it's white text on a transpernat BG |
| 05:32.35 | fiberchunks | lol -- wonderful |
| 05:32.37 | patlabor221 | so in the browser you won't see anything |
| 05:32.48 | patlabor221 | but on the boards with the blue BG |
| 05:32.51 | patlabor221 | it will show nicely |
| 05:33.18 | patlabor221 | ewww, the messages are all ugly now |
| 05:33.20 | fiberchunks | one minute, and I'll make it the new dev rank logo |
| 05:33.27 | patlabor221 | the tables have borders |
| 05:34.34 | patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/badness2.png |
| 05:36.21 | *** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@mxfcl8x27.chesco.com) |
| 05:37.19 | M_A_C | captain_proton: do you get the point of playerCountArg & playerCountArg2 in bzfs? |
| 05:37.27 | captain_proton | M_A_C: ? |
| 05:37.49 | fiberchunks | there you have it |
| 05:38.01 | fiberchunks | yeah, the borders are for my use |
| 05:38.14 | fiberchunks | I love fiddling with live sites, real smart move on my part :) |
| 05:38.19 | patlabor221 | ooooooo they numbers came out ok |
| 05:38.33 | patlabor221 | perhaps a bit too tall |
| 05:38.35 | M_A_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.35 | M_A_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.35 | M_A_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.35 | M_A_C | fprintf(stderr, "argument expected for -mp\n"); |
| 05:38.35 | M_A_C | usage(argv[0]); |
| 05:38.36 | M_A_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.38 | M_A_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.40 | M_A_C | playerCountArg = i; |
| 05:38.42 | M_A_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.44 | M_A_C | playerCountArg2 = i; |
| 05:38.46 | M_A_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: probably some oogly parsing because max players can have 2 formats |
| 05:40.07 | fiberchunks | make em a bit smaller if you'd like |
| 05:40.08 | MrApathyCream | -mp 5, or -mp 3,3,3,3,3 ? |
| 05:40.23 | patlabor221 | I think I shall |
| 05:40.50 | fiberchunks | whatever you'd like -- just let me know, and I'll slap whatever you want in there |
| 05:41.05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah |
| 05:41.07 | fiberchunks | the other images, btw, are about 130x18 |
| 05:42.31 | patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/dev.gif |
| 05:42.33 | patlabor221 | updated |
| 05:42.37 | patlabor221 | 128 x 20 |
| 05:42.42 | patlabor221 | more in line with the others |
| 05:45.49 | fiberchunks | check out the post again, see if anythings changed |
| 05:46.07 | captain_proton | patlabor221: screamers? =} |
| 05:46.09 | sussudio | where do i set the line below my avatar |
| 05:47.16 | fiberchunks | hrm? what the rank? or the joined, location, etc stuff? |
| 05:47.22 | fiberchunks | if it's the latter, in your profile |
| 05:47.54 | sussudio | the one that says mg infantry corps |
| 05:48.09 | patlabor221 | thats your rank |
| 05:48.13 | fiberchunks | you don't unless you'd like a special one (only I can change them, right now) |
| 05:48.34 | patlabor221 | can you make doug's "Still hasn't learned" |
| 05:48.35 | fiberchunks | but if you want a special one, let me know what you want, and I'll change it |
| 05:48.46 | fiberchunks | only if doug requests it :) |
| 05:48.54 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:49.17 | fiberchunks | LOL |
| 05:49.24 | sussudio | "second technician in charge of z shift" |
| 05:49.25 | fiberchunks | knew that was coming |
| 05:49.26 | bzdoug | can you change my rank to "Still hasn't learned" |
| 05:49.35 | bzdoug | please |
| 05:49.38 | fiberchunks | one minute sussudio |
| 05:49.41 | bzdoug | ~sus |
| 05:49.42 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 05:49.54 | bzdoug | ohh hang on I need to milk a goat |
| 05:50.06 | sussudio | in soviet russia, the goat milks YOU |
| 05:50.30 | Patalbor221 | There are some funny tittles I've seen on other boards tho |
| 05:50.35 | Patalbor221 | "likes to ______!" |
| 05:50.42 | Patalbor221 | Look at my thingy and say that again! |
| 05:50.42 | captain_proton | tittles? |
| 05:50.46 | sussudio | tittles? i think you're on the wrong board |
| 05:50.48 | Patalbor221 | yess |
| 05:50.52 | Patalbor221 | nauty titles |
| 05:51.03 | Patalbor221 | Crunchy, tastes good with ketchup |
| 05:51.43 | sussudio | hmm ketchup |
| 05:52.09 | fiberchunks | sussudio: can you shorten it a bit? I've already hacked it to 2nd, you mind if I make it tech. instead of technician? |
| 05:52.32 | sussudio | ohwell just make it second technician |
| 05:52.34 | Patalbor221 | "Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear. |
| 05:52.54 | scanline | Patalbor221: ask about Object Pascal |
| 05:53.43 | Patalbor221 | I think mine should be "will not help you with your stupid game" |
| 05:53.54 | fiberchunks | go against the grain, sussudio, it's done |
| 05:54.00 | sussudio | kewl |
| 05:54.03 | scanline | Patalbor221, will you help me with my stupid game? |
| 05:54.17 | Patalbor221 | and scanlines should be "Bootylicious!! |
| 05:54.36 | scanline | "tastes good on muffins" |
| 05:54.53 | sussudio | can i skip any posts of spiff and dervish somehow? |
| 05:55.22 | fiberchunks | yes, page down |
| 05:55.25 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:55.28 | sussudio | :-P |
| 05:55.54 | fiberchunks | well, actually, for derv, it may require 2 or 3 pgdwns, but whose counting |
| 05:56.02 | sussudio | snort. |
| 05:56.09 | Patalbor221 | ahh here is a good title "upsett about beeing titleless" |
| 05:57.06 | sussudio | blind ambition's title should be "sponsored by ati radeon 9700 team" for making those damn perl-generated fps-killer maps |
| 05:57.25 | Patalbor221 | it's not the card that helps |
| 05:57.39 | Patalbor221 | shoudl be "get a 3 gig p4" |
| 05:57.47 | sussudio | ... |
| 05:58.03 | Patalbor221 | I tested it out, more time is spent inside bzcode for more ojbects, not in GL |
| 05:58.24 | Patalbor221 | the world db chokes on large numbers of objects |
| 05:58.36 | sussudio | or just make it "makes widget cry" |
| 05:58.43 | Patalbor221 | LOL |
| 05:58.45 | sussudio | she always complains about maps with more than 2 boxes |
| 05:59.55 | fiberchunks | this prob is a retarded question, but would it be beneficial to have a 'structure' or 'building' type construct? (e.g. building size blah, wall blah, etc)? |
| 06:00.13 | sussudio | eh? |
| 06:00.26 | MrApathyCream | groups? |
| 06:00.28 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:00.28 | Patalbor221 | how would that be difrent then a box |
| 06:00.47 | fiberchunks | ie. a hollow box, with definition, rather than 4 walls, a wall for a ceiling, etc |
| 06:01.21 | fiberchunks | sry, box for a ceiling -- and have it be groupable, such that when you move the 'building', you move all attached entities as well |
| 06:01.23 | Patalbor221 | if it was a group of existing boxes it would not require changes to bz |
| 06:01.40 | Patalbor221 | and Ihave plans to implement that in the editor |
| 06:01.48 | fiberchunks | ah, goody |
| 06:01.54 | MrApathyCream | definable, add added to a palette |
| 06:01.55 | Patalbor221 | but if it's a "bulding" type in the map, it means changes to BZ |
| 06:01.57 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:02.00 | Patalbor221 | and those are harder |
| 06:02.05 | Patalbor221 | I will do prefabs |
| 06:02.16 | MrApathyCream | and allow users to add their own to a palette :) |
| 06:02.33 | sussudio | whoopee. purple spirals. |
| 06:02.43 | Patalbor221 | yes |
| 06:02.50 | fiberchunks | I was thinking more along the lines of 2 grouping blocks, that are composed of the standard items (such as: building, and structure -- blocks) |
| 06:02.54 | Patalbor221 | it will be a "mini" map file |
| 06:03.17 | fiberchunks | sorry, not structure, but 'group' blocks |
| 06:03.20 | Patalbor221 | so you can use the editor to make new one |
| 06:03.30 | Patalbor221 | what do you mean by "structure" |
| 06:03.32 | fiberchunks | so's you can group a whole bunch of shite together, and move it as a whole |
| 06:03.41 | Patalbor221 | yeah that |
| 06:03.48 | Patalbor221 | that's my grouping stuff |
| 06:03.53 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 06:04.06 | Patalbor221 | but the shite has to be boxes, pyramids, bases, and teleporters |
| 06:04.10 | Patalbor221 | no new ent types |
| 06:04.24 | Patalbor221 | you can make a "lampost" |
| 06:04.27 | Patalbor221 | save it |
| 06:04.31 | Patalbor221 | then in a new map |
| 06:04.38 | Patalbor221 | put as many of othem as you want |
| 06:04.44 | fiberchunks | right, that's no problem... (i do wish the coordinate system were different though, coming from a CAD background (origin, and distances from the origin) |
| 06:04.47 | Patalbor221 | and move each one as a "lamppost" |
| 06:05.11 | Patalbor221 | what's wrong with the CS? it's normal XY |
| 06:05.16 | fiberchunks | sweet -- when might I be able to run that bad boy under wine? |
| 06:05.17 | Patalbor221 | I work at a CAM company |
| 06:05.24 | Patalbor221 | ohh wine, never |
| 06:05.29 | fiberchunks | phoot |
| 06:05.57 | Patalbor221 | actualy I need to see why it pukes under wine |
| 06:06.01 | Patalbor221 | proalby something lame |
| 06:06.24 | fiberchunks | well, perhaps I misspoke -- I mean -- start from x,y,z and extend x at Qdegrees to 0, extend y at Rdegrees to 0, etc |
| 06:06.42 | Patalbor221 | you mean radial type units? |
| 06:06.52 | fiberchunks | instead of center coordinates and a rotation |
| 06:07.04 | Patalbor221 | I don't get you |
| 06:07.10 | fiberchunks | and width from the center point |
| 06:07.35 | scanline | how about an autocad to bzflag converter :) |
| 06:07.43 | Patalbor221 | you want to define the angle and distance of each wall? |
| 06:08.19 | fiberchunks | it's easier to calculate (for me anyway), the distance from an origin at 0,0,0 and extending in x,y,z + degrees off 0 than to pick a center point and calculate 1/2 distance from that point (including wall thicknesses and such) |
| 06:08.20 | Patalbor221 | right now a box has to have parallss oposet sides |
| 06:08.58 | Patalbor221 | so you want positon of the side |
| 06:09.07 | Patalbor221 | but since they can be rotated |
| 06:09.14 | fiberchunks | yes, but I'm thinking more like defining a building (5 boxes) -- it's a pain in the tuckus (for those of us who don't have access to your bzedit) to calculate the geometry and offsets of the walls...imho |
| 06:09.21 | Patalbor221 | MAC there are pearl scripts like that allready |
| 06:09.28 | MrApathyCream | yeah? |
| 06:09.34 | Patalbor221 | yeah |
| 06:09.38 | Patalbor221 | doug has used em |
| 06:09.39 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 06:09.44 | Patalbor221 | fiber, use the linux bzedit |
| 06:10.17 | Patalbor221 | the way the map file has to be defined kinda puts a limit on how we can make the data entry tho |
| 06:10.19 | fiberchunks | tried, won't compile clean (both 2.0 and 2.1) -- granted I haven't fiddled with the errors much, but it just doesn't like my mojo, apparently :\ |
| 06:10.33 | Patalbor221 | boot windows then :) |
| 06:10.49 | Patalbor221 | or there is the nasty java one |
| 06:11.02 | scanline | boot windows.. easier said than done |
| 06:11.03 | fiberchunks | ah, but that doesn't preclude doing math within an editor (I'm not talking bout changing the file format of the .bzw, just the ability to use a diff coord system in the map editor, whatever it may be) |
| 06:11.17 | fiberchunks | heh, I'm not getting win4lin just to run bzedit :) |
| 06:11.21 | Patalbor221 | I'm not against doing the math, but what math to do |
| 06:11.34 | fiberchunks | not sure, I'd have to think bout it more -- |
| 06:11.40 | Patalbor221 | you have to keep the object ortho normal |
| 06:11.52 | Patalbor221 | so realy the center is the only thing that stays constant |
| 06:12.19 | Patalbor221 | dinstance to a point on a wall is funky, cus there can be any rotations, and what point on the wall do you pick |
| 06:12.30 | fiberchunks | not if you redifine the origin of the world itself (instead of -400 - 400), origin at 0,0 <-- or am I off base here? |
| 06:12.42 | Patalbor221 | the origin is in the middle |
| 06:12.59 | Patalbor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.19 | Patalbor221 | now I cold make it do you could define working CS, that have difrent local origins |
| 06:13.24 | Patalbor221 | that would be usefull |
| 06:13.31 | fiberchunks | define 0,0,z as the point at which the bottom leftmost point of the box starts, and extend in a positive direction out from that point (plus a degree spec from 0, starting with 0 degrees running east) |
| 06:13.33 | Patalbor221 | and they could have there won ortaitons |
| 06:14.05 | Patalbor221 | rotating around what the corner or the center? |
| 06:14.33 | Patalbor221 | if it's the center then that distance to the corner changes with each rot |
| 06:14.36 | fiberchunks | the origin of the object (primarily walls here), which in this case would be the bottom leftmost corner |
| 06:14.53 | fiberchunks | if you look at the wall head on, that is |
| 06:14.53 | Patalbor221 | if it's the corner then I don't know how usefull that would be |
| 06:15.13 | Patalbor221 | it would be intersting to see tho |
| 06:15.27 | fiberchunks | it's a matter of perspective (that's how I've always created objects in my limited cad experience) |
| 06:15.45 | Patalbor221 | aligning rotated things that were roated around the corner would be hard |
| 06:16.11 | Patalbor221 | if you wanted to say make 3 stacked boxes that were each rotate 45 deg |
| 06:16.17 | Patalbor221 | and center aligned |
| 06:16.30 | Patalbor221 | that would be harder if you defined everything from a corner |
| 06:16.41 | fiberchunks | ah, but that's the reason for being able to specify different 'construction' coordinate systems at build time, imho |
| 06:17.02 | Patalbor221 | but still even if you had a rotated CS |
| 06:17.04 | fiberchunks | you have a 'world' coordinate system, and then construction coordinate system for whatever suits you best |
| 06:17.19 | Patalbor221 | to get them center aligned you would have to figure out where the corner would be at the rotation |
| 06:17.41 | fiberchunks | I'm explaining this terrible bad -- lemme see if I can whip up a better explanation for you, and I'll post it in the forum |
| 06:18.02 | Patalbor221 | you would make a lot of construction CS |
| 06:18.13 | Patalbor221 | almost 1 per object in some cases |
| 06:18.23 | Patalbor221 | or at least 1 per rotation |
| 06:18.32 | Patalbor221 | I see how it would be easyer for some stuff |
| 06:18.39 | Patalbor221 | less dividing by 2 |
| 06:18.52 | Patalbor221 | the fact that scale is doubled is stupid |
| 06:19.18 | Patalbor221 | and I see a need for local CSs |
| 06:19.26 | MrApathyCream | scale doubling is stupid |
| 06:19.40 | Patalbor221 | I should at least make scale be input as total scale |
| 06:19.46 | Patalbor221 | then div/2 on save |
| 06:19.57 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:20.35 | Patalbor221 | I think that and local CSs, groups, prefabs, and real draging would be the most helpfull |
| 06:21.03 | Patalbor221 | hmmm I could even save the CSs in the world file |
| 06:21.07 | Patalbor221 | as comments |
| 06:21.57 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: hmmm, makes no sense bzfs -mp 3,3,3,3,3 -mp 5,5,5,5,5 is legal |
| 06:21.58 | fiberchunks | I find the most difficult part of making a map, is (for example, in creating a building) -- if the ceiling is 40x40x10, and rotated 45, locating where the _center_ of the walls are with respect to the ceiling (such that everything is nicely aligned) is a pain in the arse (primarily, calculating the point at which the wall should be located) |
| 06:22.13 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: don'tcha love our parsing? |
| 06:22.13 | MrApathyCream | ah, gotcha |
| 06:22.33 | Patalbor221 | groups would take care of that for you |
| 06:22.41 | Patalbor221 | define the building at rot 0 |
| 06:22.42 | MrApathyCream | yes, you wouldn't rotate anything |
| 06:22.44 | Patalbor221 | group it |
| 06:22.47 | Patalbor221 | then rotate |
| 06:22.57 | fiberchunks | ah, there you go -- that's totally true |
| 06:23.20 | Patalbor221 | and if you want another building, dupe the group, move and rotate |
| 06:23.28 | Patalbor221 | then I'll figure it all out when I save |
| 06:23.45 | MrApathyCream | BZW format should have a |
| 06:23.46 | MrApathyCream | group |
| 06:23.47 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 06:23.49 | MrApathyCream | object |
| 06:23.55 | MrApathyCream | with a name attribute |
| 06:24.01 | Patalbor221 | that would be nice |
| 06:24.04 | MrApathyCream | so you wouldn't have to redefine all the objects over and over again |
| 06:24.09 | Patalbor221 | then it could also be used for a quick vis calc |
| 06:24.18 | fiberchunks | vis |
| 06:24.19 | fiberchunks | ? |
| 06:24.21 | MrApathyCream | just specify the transform |
| 06:24.26 | Patalbor221 | visibility |
| 06:24.31 | fiberchunks | ah, thx |
| 06:24.49 | Patalbor221 | you could exclide a lot of objects if the groups bounds sphere or box was outa view |
| 06:25.02 | Patalbor221 | right now each object is done seperatly |
| 06:25.39 | fiberchunks | would be nice if there were some boolean operators in there, for really complex shapes (primarily boolean subtration and addition) |
| 06:25.54 | fiberchunks | but that would require a code change - so never mind |
| 06:25.57 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 06:26.01 | Patalbor221 | yeah that wold |
| 06:26.02 | scanline | CSG operations would be a BIG change |
| 06:26.14 | Patalbor221 | and it wold have affects on physics and gameplay |
| 06:26.24 | Patalbor221 | same problem with ramps |
| 06:26.29 | Patalbor221 | do you make tanks tilt |
| 06:26.33 | scanline | bzflag just needs to have polygonal worlds, so all this mess with boxes and pyramids can be avoided |
| 06:26.35 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 06:27.00 | fiberchunks | whoops, wrong channel, sorry |
| 06:27.03 | Patalbor221 | portals :) |
| 06:27.39 | Patalbor221 | could just gank a quake BSP renderer easaly |
| 06:27.50 | Patalbor221 | then everyone could use worldcraft for a map editor |
| 06:28.10 | Patalbor221 | but still you need to decide if you let tanks tilt |
| 06:28.25 | Patalbor221 | and if so can 1) they flip over, and 2) how does it affect aiming |
| 06:28.53 | Patalbor221 | and if it affects aiming then do you make it so tanks can aim? and that affects controls |
| 06:29.09 | Patalbor221 | and if you make turret controll seperate from movement, then well ,it's quake |
| 06:29.41 | fiberchunks | how is aiming handled now? is shot path calculated simply as distance from the ground (1.58 wu or whatever it is?) |
| 06:30.00 | Patalbor221 | it's 1.58 units up from the bottom of the tank |
| 06:30.06 | Patalbor221 | where ever the tank is |
| 06:30.11 | Patalbor221 | you can't aim up or down |
| 06:30.26 | Patalbor221 | shots are allways flat unless they hit a piramid |
| 06:30.33 | Patalbor221 | since tanks are allways flat |
| 06:30.41 | fiberchunks | could there not just be a theta value for barrel angle relative to the ground? |
| 06:30.52 | Patalbor221 | how do you controll it? |
| 06:31.11 | Patalbor221 | and does it tilt the view? |
| 06:31.29 | Patalbor221 | or move some sort of targeting sight in your view |
| 06:31.38 | fiberchunks | based on ramp inclination, I wager -- you would need some sort of parameter in the world file for theta, I imagine |
| 06:32.03 | Patalbor221 | but not with js |
| 06:32.12 | scanline | I'd hope not, you'd go insane :) |
| 06:32.24 | Patalbor221 | or sane |
| 06:32.26 | scanline | will it have a good terrain engine? |
| 06:32.46 | Patalbor221 | well initaly it will be simiar to bz in a lot of ways |
| 06:32.54 | fiberchunks | by the way, is js a sf project, and can I grab it and compile / fiddle with it? |
| 06:32.56 | Patalbor221 | but final will have a deformable |
| 06:33.12 | scanline | fiberchunks: it's on a public SVN server |
| 06:33.15 | Patalbor221 | well terain at least |
| 06:33.23 | fiberchunks | scanline: how does one snag it? |
| 06:33.36 | fiberchunks | I'm unfamiliar with SVN |
| 06:33.46 | scanline | the interface is a lot like CVS |
| 06:33.54 | Patalbor221 | but easyer |
| 06:34.01 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org <-- has the SVN server's URL |
| 06:34.07 | fiberchunks | thx much |
| 06:34.14 | scanline | np |
| 06:34.30 | scanline | there's almost no documentation, but captain_proton and I are here to bug about it |
| 06:34.40 | fiberchunks | I love the console sshots I've seen, man that looks smooth :) |
| 06:34.46 | scanline | :) |
| 06:35.35 | fiberchunks | I don't know much about code, but when the need arises for some docs to be written, let me know -- I'll be happy to help as much as I can |
| 06:36.00 | scanline | well, there's a lot to be done besides code- art, docs, story, level design... |
| 06:38.05 | captain_proton | yaay |
| 06:38.20 | scanline | I hope it's not shiny because it's conductive |
| 06:39.03 | fiberchunks | what's the diff between the apache and gpl licenses? anything major? |
| 06:39.33 | captain_proton | oo |
| 06:39.36 | captain_proton | its wall-mountable |
| 06:41.18 | scanline | wow. if you google for "local maxima minima perlin noise" the entire first page is full of PDF or PS documents |
| 06:41.43 | Patalbor221 | then you just get porn after that |
| 06:48.46 | fiberchunks | got registered didya scanline? :) |
| 06:49.04 | captain_proton | registered...? |
| 06:49.10 | fiberchunks | would you and captain_proton like your own forum? |
| 06:49.13 | scanline | yup.. dunno why though, I haven't felt like posting anything :) |
| 06:49.17 | fiberchunks | @ the forum |
| 06:49.26 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 06:50.04 | fiberchunks | strictly for jetstream, only visible to anyone involved in it? not a problem if you'd like one, just let me know |
| 06:50.56 | captain_proton | we do pretty well on irc or...the hallway (considering, well, the 2 active participants) |
| 06:51.01 | scanline | dunno, I'm not much of a forums person.. I prefer irc or mailing lists |
| 06:51.09 | captain_proton | but if you wanted to open it up to anyone we could generate hype |
| 06:51.14 | scanline | :) |
| 06:51.30 | scanline | but we can't have hype without XML and javascript! |
| 06:51.31 | fiberchunks | up to you -- if you'd like me to, I can -- take me all of 5 minutes to do |
| 06:53.46 | fiberchunks | don't forget mysql, and php :) |
| 07:01.31 | fiberchunks | well, if you'd like, I've created a jetstream category, with 2 forums - viewable and readable by all, but only registered folk can post, edit etc -- if you would like it or like to ditch it, please let me know |
| 07:02.37 | scanline | I don't expect we'll need it for development, but it could be good advertising... I'll take a look as soon as galeon-cvs compiles :) |
| 07:03.33 | fiberchunks | no problem, just let me know -- you'll have more views there than here, I imagine |
| 07:03.51 | fiberchunks | if, of course, that's what you want ;) |
| 07:04.07 | fiberchunks | not sure, with it being so early in development (if it is early, that is) |
| 07:04.07 | scanline | we could use more people |
| 07:04.17 | scanline | yeah, it's pretty early |
| 07:04.29 | captain_proton | why not, lets do it |
| 07:04.39 | captain_proton | if just to make people go ooooo |
| 07:04.44 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:06.17 | fiberchunks | you're both mods of that forum, so you have complete control |
| 07:06.43 | fiberchunks | I made it such that you must be reg to edit, etc, but anyone can read / view, etc |
| 07:07.23 | scanline | ooh.. this song makes my case so bright my 3.5" bay cover is glowing red |
| 07:08.51 | scanline | >>> emerge (6 of 50) gnome-base/gconf-1.2.1 to / |
| 07:09.03 | scanline | yay for dependencies... |
| 07:09.09 | fiberchunks | can you give me a brief synopsis of what js is / intends to be (just so I can make a 'informative' announcement about the forum) |
| 07:09.43 | fiberchunks | or post an announcement yourself, at your leisure, if you'd like |
| 07:09.46 | captain_proton | hm |
| 07:10.28 | scanline | space shooter-type game, doing new things with both plot and engine technology |
| 07:10.40 | captain_proton | ^^ that |
| 07:14.10 | captain_proton | VFD? |
| 07:14.21 | captain_proton | very fine diple? |
| 07:14.22 | captain_proton | erf |
| 07:14.24 | captain_proton | dipole |
| 07:16.36 | scanline | vacuum flourescent display |
| 07:16.50 | scanline | I got two of them back when they had 'em on sale at bgmicro |
| 07:17.40 | scanline | there appears to be just enough room to mount one on the top of yoshi's case :) |
| 07:19.10 | fiberchunks | I made an initial announcement of it asking for help and such - edit at will |
| 07:19.51 | scanline | sweet, this is a perfect size! |
| 07:21.55 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 07:22.03 | captain_proton | this guy has an sgi 8-ball |
| 07:27.58 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:28.22 | fiberchunks | expensive screwdriver ;) |
| 07:28.36 | scanline | not really, it's a 4MB simm I was also using as a keychain |
| 07:28.53 | fiberchunks | well, it _used_ to be expensive ;) |
| 07:28.58 | scanline | indeed |
| 07:29.53 | fiberchunks | that a box you're modding, or a different animal? |
| 07:30.27 | captain_proton | scanline: what is a VFD good for? |
| 07:30.27 | scanline | http://blinkenlights.sf.net |
| 07:30.39 | scanline | captain_proton: same things an LCD is good for, but brighter and larger |
| 07:30.55 | captain_proton | hmmmm |
| 07:31.08 | scanline | clock, system load, spectrum analyzer... |
| 07:31.27 | captain_proton | and you have two of these beasties? :) |
| 07:31.32 | scanline | I'm also replacing the white plastic on yoshi's lid with clear acrylic, since the white stuff is so flimsy it keeps breaking |
| 07:31.36 | scanline | yup |
| 07:31.56 | scanline | I was planning on using them with the USB LED-array controller I built, but I haven't been motivated to finish that project |
| 07:31.59 | MrApathyCream | bzfs -conf my.conf -- checked in |
| 07:32.25 | scanline | the cool thing about these VFDs is that they can run in HD44768 emulation mode, or in a RS232-compatible protocol :) |
| 07:32.27 | fiberchunks | ooo, configuration files, instead of cli? |
| 07:32.34 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:32.37 | scanline | so I'll probably just stick this on my other free serial port |
| 07:32.48 | MrApathyCream | fiberchunks: optionally |
| 07:32.49 | fiberchunks | sweet |
| 07:33.03 | fiberchunks | ah, so either -conf, or cli stuff, right? |
| 07:33.09 | MrApathyCream | yup, or both |
| 07:33.18 | MrApathyCream | bzfs -conf my.conf -ms 5 |
| 07:33.27 | MrApathyCream | means use my.conf but override ms to be 5 |
| 07:33.31 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: can you add a description to the JS forums? "announcements about the coolest game ever" or something to that effect? ;) |
| 07:33.32 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 07:33.40 | fiberchunks | sure |
| 07:33.50 | scanline | after I dremel this I'll do a post outlining my plans for the engine :) |
| 07:34.14 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:34.20 | captain_proton | "plans" is a mild word for it |
| 07:36.16 | captain_proton | is that like mouse technology? |
| 07:38.17 | fiberchunks | done - whaddya think? too geekish? |
| 07:38.49 | sussudio | can anyone give me a damn good reason to still be running a friggin 1.7e4 client? |
| 07:38.58 | fiberchunks | no |
| 07:39.06 | sussudio | right. that's what i said. |
| 07:39.15 | sussudio | i suggest rejecting them in the next bzfs |
| 07:39.34 | MrApathyCream | next one will reject e6 and g0/g1 too :) |
| 07:39.35 | sussudio | i can always see when 1 or more people are using them on connect to a server |
| 07:39.46 | fiberchunks | i can't wait for a protocol breaking bz to come out -- will make me happy |
| 07:39.51 | sussudio | they generate too many damn packets |
| 07:40.00 | MrApathyCream | next one sposedly |
| 07:40.13 | MrApathyCream | and the one after that, and so on |
| 07:40.21 | fiberchunks | MrApathyCream: is that going to be a new 1.8, or 1.9, or what? |
| 07:41.14 | MrApathyCream | don't know yet |
| 07:41.27 | MrApathyCream | A Riker decision |
| 07:41.36 | fiberchunks | jump to 2 -- make it nice and easy :) |
| 07:41.50 | MrApathyCream | yes, that would be my vote to |
| 07:41.56 | fiberchunks | protocol breakage dictates major rev change, imho |
| 07:42.23 | MrApathyCream | Well the first digit after dot specifies protocol change |
| 07:42.36 | MrApathyCream | (in the code) |
| 07:45.05 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:45.36 | captain_proton | showertime |
| 07:45.58 | MrApathyCream | tmi |
| 07:47.08 | fiberchunks | scanline and/or captain_proton: if you have time, would you mind whipping up a quick and dirty HOWTO for doing things with SVN (as you and captain_proton are the most experienced with it, no doubt) |
| 07:49.26 | fiberchunks | in relation to JS, of course |
| 07:51.00 | scanline | well frankly, if you're trying to compile jetstream at this point SVN is the least of your worries :) |
| 07:51.27 | fiberchunks | lol, well, I meant to imply lib dependencies (such as picogui and whatnot) when I said that ^^^ |
| 07:51.54 | scanline | k |
| 07:52.15 | fiberchunks | if you have time -- don't mean to harass you about it of course, it's your baby :) |
| 07:54.30 | scanline | it's just that at this point there's not much the source is good for unless you're planning on being a developer.. for just seeing what it can do so far, the movies are better |
| 07:56.06 | scanline | hehe... jetstream is my second, maybe third child :) |
| 07:58.40 | fiberchunks | well, we'll see if we can't get you all some help on it -- I really like the looks of the sshots so far -- would be great to have an addictive jet-based game as well as a tank game (I'd never have any free time :) ) |
| 08:15.20 | scanline | holy cow this dust filter is messy |
| 08:25.21 | fiberchunks | alright, gents, I'm off to bed -- have a good night |
| 08:26.08 | captain_proton | 'night |
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| 08:46.30 | Nidhoggr | I hate working til 12:30 AM. |
| 08:46.48 | Nidhoggr | I become a night person, and that is not cool. |
| 08:47.15 | scanline | what's wrong with being a night person? |
| 08:56.15 | scanline | Microsoft Windows Power Edition (tm) |
| 08:56.26 | sussudio | snort. |
| 08:56.47 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:56.51 | captain_proton | scanline has picked up the habit |
| 08:57.00 | sussudio | ohwell at least it wasnt my city this time |
| 08:57.07 | sussudio | unlike last week. twice. |
| 08:57.22 | sussudio | the psu in my vcr is dead now |
| 08:57.26 | sussudio | thank you, powercompany |
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| 08:59.11 | ak|ra | moin |
| 08:59.15 | MrApathyCream | tag |
| 08:59.27 | ak|ra | :) |
| 08:59.31 | ak|ra | thanx a lot :) |
| 08:59.42 | ak|ra | german mr. mac :) |
| 09:01.13 | scanline | wow! |
| 09:01.37 | scanline | with this clear acrylic, not only can you see the circuit board and all LEDs, but each LEd projects a faint dot on the underside of the panel |
| 09:05.53 | sussudio | any static electricity buildup on that acrylic? |
| 09:06.13 | captain_proton | bzzt |
| 09:11.09 | Nidhoggr | I am so anxious for new mac vid card. I can't keep my pc bzflag client running worth a crap. :/ |
| 09:14.55 | scanline | there... 2 hours until this caulk dries |
| 09:20.15 | MrApathyCream | anyone want to try again and figure out this windw bzfs problem? |
| 09:20.38 | MrApathyCream | if so please connect and disconnect a few times to 209.195.250.199:5156 |
| 09:21.44 | ak|ra | just got one vmware left |
| 09:26.20 | captain_proton | sleepytime |
| 09:26.58 | scanline | 'night captain_proton |
| 09:27.33 | MrApathyCream | be the first on the block to play bzflag on a 56k server: at: 209.195.250.199:5156 |
| 09:30.27 | MrApathyCream | works like a champ :) |
| 09:31.18 | MrApathyCream | wow cpu is at 100% |
| 09:31.28 | MrApathyCream | guess that's the problem |
| 09:35.33 | MrApathyCream | well 5133p 71/v\3 |
| 11:00.11 | Widget | Sigh. |
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| 11:03.06 | ak|ra | re |
| 12:43.01 | fiberchunks | scanline: you around? |
| 12:46.23 | scanline | yep |
| 12:46.55 | fiberchunks | does grabbing your source require the latest and greatest svn - I'm having issues with APR - and I just don't see the need for it |
| 12:47.31 | scanline | we've been using the latest svn, and given how rapidly it changes I wouldn't be surprised if you need the latest |
| 12:49.00 | fiberchunks | ah, well then - I've got the apr cvs in the tld of svn, and when I issue ./configure, it gripes about not finding $HOME/svn/apr/configure --any ideas? I'm thinking apr uses buildconf, but I'm not sure |
| 12:49.45 | scanline | apr? |
| 12:50.19 | fiberchunks | yeah, some thing that svn requires to build itself (but it's only for serving, so I have no idea why it's a requirement) |
| 12:50.30 | fiberchunks | as all I want is the client |
| 12:50.49 | scanline | hrm. I dunno, I just grabbed the latest svn snapshot from their site and compikled without any problems |
| 12:51.30 | fiberchunks | hrm, k, lemme look into it more |
| 12:53.41 | fiberchunks | ah yes, that'll work fine (didn't realize you were using r3987 of their stuff, which also worked for me) righto |
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| 13:30.13 | ak|ra | hi girl |
| 13:30.50 | bzgirl | hello ak|ra |
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| 13:41.11 | bzdouggg | ~bzflist |
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| 13:49.42 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
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| 14:02.44 | bzdoug | ~bzflist |
| 14:03.22 | bzdoug | ~bzfquery 24.120.211.174:7500 |
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| 15:24.25 | Chestal | tag |
| 15:24.50 | ak|ra_ | hi |
| 15:24.57 | bzgirl | hello |
| 15:25.52 | Chestal | grmpf, my friends are going to watch TTT today, I just hope for them that not too many people will do the same, otherwise they'll feel my eternal wrath |
| 15:26.42 | bzgirl | im going this week hopefully to see it |
| 15:28.36 | Chestal | "my" theater will have to show the movie a 4th week when the total number of admissions for Thursday-Sunday this week exceeds 1500 |
| 15:28.58 | Chestal | Warner Bros. is evil |
| 15:29.39 | bzgirl | go see it again :) |
| 15:31.25 | sussudio | bzchickengirl |
| 15:31.42 | sussudio | always quits ducati when i come on |
| 15:31.58 | bzgirl | i didnt even see you! |
| 15:32.03 | bzgirl | sussi? |
| 15:32.16 | sussudio | today i'm called booger |
| 15:32.21 | bzgirl | ahh.. |
| 15:32.32 | sussudio | as in 'revenge of the nerds' booger |
| 15:32.43 | bzgirl | well, if i had known it was you... |
| 15:32.52 | sussudio | well fishman is on now |
| 15:32.56 | bzgirl | i might have stayed |
| 15:33.03 | bzgirl | fishman? |
| 15:33.07 | sussudio | MrApathyCream |
| 15:33.13 | bzgirl | :) |
| 15:34.14 | bzdoug | eh? what for? |
| 15:34.28 | sussudio | dunno. people want to find out what buttons do. |
| 15:34.32 | bzgirl | thats a powerful router |
| 15:34.36 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:34.38 | bzdoug | do it |
| 15:34.45 | bzdoug | or hide it |
| 15:34.48 | sussudio | it's an AMD 586-133 |
| 15:35.02 | bzdoug | my computer has a key lock on its door, so I just keep the key |
| 15:35.04 | sussudio | basically a 486DX4 with higher speed |
| 15:35.21 | bzdoug | its not a pentium capadible? |
| 15:35.29 | bzdoug | just a overclocked 486? |
| 15:35.32 | sussudio | ibot spell capadible |
| 15:35.36 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'capadible' |
| 15:35.36 | bzgirl | :) |
| 15:35.39 | bzdoug | ~spell sussudio |
| 15:35.39 | | I can't find alternate spellings for 'sussudio' |
| 15:35.44 | sussudio | it's not overclocked. |
| 15:35.50 | sussudio | it's an AMD |
| 15:35.53 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:36.03 | sussudio | with bigger internal cache and writeback |
| 15:36.10 | sussudio | it's about the same speed as a pentium 75 |
| 15:36.41 | bzgirl | Chestal: does yahoo/gaim work for you today? i cant login |
| 15:37.00 | bzdoug | I have been having problems lately too |
| 15:37.15 | bzdoug | server down and such nonsense |
| 15:37.22 | bzdoug | but it works today |
| 15:37.25 | bzdoug | I use trillian |
| 15:37.34 | bzgirl | why? |
| 15:37.59 | bzdoug | cuz it lets me use AIM yahoo IRC ICQ and MSN |
| 15:38.02 | bzdoug | all in one proggy |
| 15:38.26 | Chestal | bzgirl: couldn't login yet, happens sometimes, usually works half an hour later or so |
| 16:05.27 | [TeA]_ | i use trillian aswell |
| 16:05.52 | [TeA]_ | ~ducatictf |
| 16:05.56 | [TeA]_ | ~ducati |
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| 16:13.23 | bzgirl | good morning paul |
| 16:13.31 | paul | hey ang |
| 16:15.58 | [TeA]_ | http://www.ehealthland.com/CHESTAL.jpg |
| 16:15.59 | [TeA]_ | lol |
| 16:16.28 | bzgirl | :) |
| 16:17.07 | sussudio | ~lart laggers |
| 16:17.51 | [TeA]_ | i once had 12000 lag i think |
| 16:17.56 | [TeA]_ | termi hat 32000 |
| 16:17.59 | [TeA]_ | lol |
| 16:18.02 | [TeA]_ | storm 16000 |
| 16:18.09 | sussudio | :-| |
| 16:18.45 | [TeA]_ | :B |
| 16:19.39 | sussudio | and now the big star "flubby bubby" |
| 16:19.43 | sussudio | who the f*** was that? |
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| 16:24.56 | Cell | lo |
| 16:26.09 | Cell | today is Diether Bohlen on tv(rtl) again :) |
| 16:26.43 | sussudio | -|- (ACDC)_Thunderstruck.mp3 (7,012,480 bytes 192kbps Stereo 4mins 53secs Genre:Hard Rock Year:1990 Album:The Razors Edge |
| 16:28.41 | Cell | sussudio: how to get? |
| 16:28.59 | Cell | get -|- |
| 16:32.27 | [TeA]_ | (angelh) |
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| 17:30.33 | sussudio | suggestion for g1: remove GM |
| 17:30.50 | bzgirl | Gm is ok, sometimes |
| 17:30.55 | sussudio | GM BAH |
| 17:31.01 | bzgirl | haha |
| 17:31.54 | bzdoug | how about heat seeking GM |
| 17:31.57 | bzdoug | and add a new flag... |
| 17:31.58 | Chestal | GM without jumping is ok |
| 17:32.02 | bzdoug | ICBM! |
| 17:32.06 | sussudio | real missiles jam sometimes |
| 17:32.12 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:32.14 | bzdoug | true... |
| 17:32.21 | bzdoug | add a reandom jamming thing? |
| 17:32.32 | bzdoug | or a flag that can disable GM to you |
| 17:32.45 | sussudio | ST :-| |
| 17:33.07 | bzdoug | um, sure |
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| 17:33.34 | sussudio | and clients < g0 should be treated as old and crappy. tanks running those clients should blow up randomly by themselves |
| 17:34.08 | sussudio | there was someone on there with 1.7e1!!!!!!!!!! earlier |
| 17:34.16 | sussudio | 40ms and skipping like a kangaroo on crack |
| 17:36.48 | Nidhoggr | I need to caffienate myself enough to drive to fry's for new video card. |
| 17:40.00 | MrApathyCream | Someone aught to tell Nafees that we're not working on 1.8 anymore.... |
| 17:40.02 | Cell | i want double double |
| 17:40.09 | MrApathyCream | But it's not going to be me :) :) :) |
| 17:40.58 | Cell | why not? |
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| 17:47.17 | MrApathyCream | he seems to be having too much fun checking stuff in |
| 17:47.50 | Cell | i have made a fresh juice from carrots and red beet, tasty :) |
| 17:48.03 | Nidhoggr | cell... add a tiny bit of ginger sometime. |
| 17:48.11 | Nidhoggr | fresh, of course. |
| 17:48.28 | Cell | dont have that |
| 17:48.38 | Nidhoggr | my fave veggie juice is carrot, beet and celery with bit of ginger. |
| 17:49.00 | Cell | Nidhoggr you are my man |
| 17:49.04 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:49.21 | Nidhoggr | beets are highly underrated. |
| 17:49.39 | Cell | yes absolutly |
| 17:50.47 | Nidhoggr | I'd like V8 juice if it didn't have so much salt in it. well, I like it, but would drink it more. |
| 17:51.09 | Cell | V8? |
| 17:51.12 | Nidhoggr | my mom makes a v8 style juice from her garden |
| 17:51.17 | Nidhoggr | it's an american thing |
| 17:51.26 | Cell | ok, dont know that |
| 17:51.28 | Nidhoggr | tomato juice with other veggies |
| 17:51.34 | Cell | cool |
| 17:51.46 | Cell | but put the salt away |
| 17:52.00 | Nidhoggr | mom mixes tomato, celery, carrots, and a bunch of other stuff, and puts jalepeno in it. |
| 17:52.06 | Nidhoggr | it's good hot or cold. |
| 17:52.15 | Cell | your mom rocks |
| 17:52.31 | Nidhoggr | she cans it every year. |
| 17:52.39 | Nidhoggr | I don't get any unless I go home, though. :) |
| 17:52.46 | Nidhoggr | dad uses as a base for chili. |
| 17:53.19 | Cell | oh chili is a bit too heavy for me |
| 17:53.51 | Nidhoggr | I am an aspiring chef. at 41, I've finally decided what I wanna be when I grow up. |
| 17:53.59 | Nidhoggr | so I'll eat almost anything. |
| 17:55.11 | Nidhoggr | oh, except aged egg in it's many varieties. |
| 17:55.15 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:56.17 | Cell | i eat only fruits and vegetables and all raw, i never cook |
| 17:56.26 | Cell | i often make juice |
| 17:56.40 | Nidhoggr | I respect raw vegans. I could never do it. |
| 17:57.12 | Nidhoggr | that is the healthiest and purest of diets. |
| 17:57.47 | Cell | i thought so earlier too, but im conviced of it and if you gone as far as i am you never want to go back to cooked stuff |
| 17:57.53 | Nidhoggr | you don't meet many raw vegans. |
| 17:58.00 | Cell | right |
| 17:58.06 | Cell | but all animals are |
| 17:58.18 | Cell | eating raw only |
| 17:58.23 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:58.35 | Cell | so it is wrong too eat cooked stuff cause you get ill |
| 17:58.41 | Nidhoggr | what's your favorite veggie? |
| 17:58.48 | Cell | and old eralier than esupposed to |
| 17:59.01 | Cell | carrot |
| 17:59.06 | Nidhoggr | mmmmm. |
| 17:59.14 | Nidhoggr | there is so much variety in carrots |
| 17:59.18 | sussudio | what a load of bull |
| 17:59.20 | sussudio | you need meat |
| 17:59.26 | Cell | no |
| 17:59.31 | sussudio | shut up weakling |
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| 17:59.39 | sussudio | eat your dead cow |
| 18:00.05 | sussudio | DEAD COW NOW |
| 18:00.18 | Cell | k |
| 18:00.49 | Nidhoggr | when I eat meat, it's organic.. I can't buy regular grocery store beef. |
| 18:01.03 | sussudio | all meat is organic |
| 18:01.09 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.13 | MrApathyCream | dag |
| 18:01.15 | Nidhoggr | not when it's pumped full of hormones |
| 18:01.23 | sussudio | "organic" is a load of crap to make you pay more |
| 18:01.26 | sussudio | ha!!!!!!! |
| 18:01.31 | Nidhoggr | troll |
| 18:01.32 | sussudio | hormones are illegal in europe |
| 18:01.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:01.36 | sussudio | so there you go troll |
| 18:01.48 | Nidhoggr | I wish they were here. |
| 18:01.56 | sussudio | noooooo |
| 18:02.03 | sussudio | who'd vote for bush then |
| 18:02.05 | Cell | pigs get all the stuuf to eat that you left when in restaurant and its all mixed together |
| 18:02.20 | Cell | they get ill therefore and need lots of medicine |
| 18:02.29 | Cell | all that you put into your stomach |
| 18:02.36 | Cell | if you eat meat |
| 18:02.44 | sussudio | bullcrap |
| 18:02.50 | Cell | truth |
| 18:02.53 | sussudio | no |
| 18:03.01 | sussudio | because you say something doesnt make it the truth |
| 18:03.09 | Cell | sussudio how old are you? |
| 18:03.18 | sussudio | european regulations disallow this |
| 18:03.49 | Nidhoggr | cell, while I totally respect vegans and vegetarians, I really dislike getting into moral and health arguments about it. too many opinions :) |
| 18:04.11 | Nidhoggr | I was vegetarian for many years. |
| 18:04.20 | sussudio | here in NL meat has to have a country of origin, the countries it went through, where it was butchered........ |
| 18:04.26 | Cell | vegetarian is not better than non vegetarian |
| 18:04.30 | Cell | not much |
| 18:04.31 | sussudio | and it has to be printed on the package |
| 18:04.44 | Nidhoggr | doctor made me go back to eating some meat, because I was lacking B vitamins, then iron issues. |
| 18:05.14 | Cell | blah |
| 18:05.18 | Nidhoggr | I really like most fish. |
| 18:05.33 | Nidhoggr | doug :) |
| 18:05.33 | sussudio | doug would eat his mom |
| 18:05.34 | bzdoug | sussudio IS a fish |
| 18:06.23 | Cell | this topic leads normally to nothing cause most of you would not believe Gallileo if he had sid to you : look the erath isnt a plate its a ball |
| 18:06.50 | sussudio | muhaha |
| 18:06.52 | Cell | you would say: but why do we not fall from the ball down |
| 18:07.09 | *** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p5088B244.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:07.12 | sussudio | they dont take health issues that seriously there |
| 18:07.14 | Cell | its ur lack of knowledge |
| 18:07.22 | Patlabor221 | comp usa = pay too much |
| 18:07.24 | sussudio | you dont have any knowledge veggieboy |
| 18:07.51 | sussudio | why does a mac need a videocard |
| 18:07.54 | sussudio | dont you get one with them |
| 18:07.57 | Nidhoggr | pat, mostly because it's one place I can check on the web to see what is available. I'll prolly go to fry's anyway. |
| 18:08.21 | Nidhoggr | sussudio, I have old g4 with rage pro. won't play bzflag very well. |
| 18:08.37 | sussudio | what os |
| 18:08.53 | Nidhoggr | osx |
| 18:08.57 | Nidhoggr | jaguar |
| 18:08.59 | sussudio | bluh |
| 18:09.09 | Nidhoggr | I have dual proc g4 |
| 18:09.12 | Nidhoggr | gig of ram |
| 18:09.23 | sussudio | and nothing much to do with it? |
| 18:09.32 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 18:09.58 | sussudio | i wouldnt know something useful to do with that |
| 18:10.00 | Patlabor221 | sucks that fry's dosn't put there ads on the web |
| 18:11.43 | Nidhoggr | I produce a lot of stuff on my mac.. video, music, image design, etc. My PC (athlon 2100+ with radeon 9700 pro, gig of ram) is nothing more than a game machine... and it won't even play bzflag consistantly because of crashing. |
| 18:12.06 | Nidhoggr | fortunately bzflag is the only thing that crashes it. |
| 18:12.14 | sussudio | i dont see how |
| 18:12.25 | Patlabor221 | what OS is on it? |
| 18:12.27 | sussudio | or you must be running it with win98 |
| 18:12.28 | Nidhoggr | xp |
| 18:12.45 | Patlabor221 | and you have the latest ATI drivers or the ones that came with it? |
| 18:12.51 | Nidhoggr | I'm not spending 3K on a computer and putting 98 on it. |
| 18:13.07 | Nidhoggr | I upgrade drivers every time a new one comes out, hoping it'll fix the problem. |
| 18:13.16 | sussudio | i'm not spending 3k on a computer period |
| 18:13.18 | Nidhoggr | I have an issue open on support page. |
| 18:13.28 | Nidhoggr | probably not |
| 18:13.44 | Patlabor221 | well since noone else has that config it's not gonna get debuged |
| 18:13.57 | sussudio | i have a radeon 7200 aiw |
| 18:14.09 | Nidhoggr | that's why I'm getting a new vid card for my mac. |
| 18:14.12 | Patlabor221 | I run fine with an XP 1900 and GF 4 |
| 18:14.20 | Nidhoggr | because I know it won't crash on the mac. |
| 18:14.37 | Patlabor221 | well bz don't run so good on the mac |
| 18:14.46 | Patlabor221 | I can't even get the sucker to start up |
| 18:14.52 | Cell | i have a gf4 ti 4200 since yesterday and i love it |
| 18:15.04 | Nidhoggr | I had that problem, then downloaded a new package someone put online. |
| 18:15.11 | Nidhoggr | it'll start and run, just really slow. |
| 18:15.23 | sussudio | no gl drivers? |
| 18:15.26 | Patlabor221 | so Did I, it dies, as does current CVs |
| 18:15.31 | Patlabor221 | it's not very stable |
| 18:15.38 | Nidhoggr | I have gl drivers... I have a slow video card. |
| 18:16.14 | Nidhoggr | what mac, pat? |
| 18:16.22 | Patlabor221 | 400 G4 |
| 18:16.30 | Patlabor221 | witha GF 2 in it |
| 18:16.35 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 18:16.35 | Patlabor221 | proalby a MX |
| 18:16.48 | sussudio | gf2 suxors |
| 18:16.59 | Patlabor221 | better then an ATI rage |
| 18:16.59 | Cell | rtl sucht den superstar föngt bald an mit dieter bohlen, geil |
| 18:17.26 | sussudio | translation: cell wants do do dieter bohlen using a rubber tool and a hockeymask |
| 18:17.31 | strayer | Cell: manchmal denke ich, du bist krank ;) |
| 18:18.02 | Cell | strayer; wieso, heh? |
| 18:18.16 | Patlabor221 | looks like radeon 7000's go for about $100 for the mac |
| 18:18.25 | sussudio | you dont want a radeon 7000 |
| 18:18.35 | Patlabor221 | and I'm not talking to you |
| 18:18.37 | Nidhoggr | I was told to steer clear of ATI |
| 18:19.01 | Cell | strayer: schaust es dir auch an oder? |
| 18:19.10 | Cell | dibs ruhig zu |
| 18:19.12 | strayer | Cell: DB Z/GT seh ich ja noch ein....aber Dtl. sucht den Superstar ist minimalstes Niveau....Glueckwunsch zu deiner Grak... |
| 18:19.15 | Patlabor221 | I have one of those here |
| 18:19.28 | strayer | ich schaus nit an |
| 18:19.36 | Nidhoggr | maybe that's why it's not so stable? |
| 18:19.39 | Patlabor221 | well they have GF4 TI 2400's for $300 |
| 18:19.41 | Cell | ah dann verpasst du ne menge Spass |
| 18:19.54 | Nidhoggr | I'm checking pricewatch.com |
| 18:20.04 | Patlabor221 | thats what I just did |
| 18:20.13 | Cell | $300 sounds pretty much |
| 18:20.27 | Patlabor221 | it is, |
| 18:20.34 | Patlabor221 | gota have a mac rom on it |
| 18:20.35 | Nidhoggr | price watch is normally better than that. |
| 18:20.38 | Nidhoggr | not good. |
| 18:20.46 | Patlabor221 | regular PC GF won't work |
| 18:20.49 | Patlabor221 | tried it |
| 18:21.05 | Patlabor221 | there is just not much call for mac stuff |
| 18:21.27 | Patlabor221 | what fry's you goin to? |
| 18:21.35 | Nidhoggr | nod.. I was told that I could get a gf2 for fiftyish bucks |
| 18:21.37 | Nidhoggr | Phoenix |
| 18:21.43 | Patlabor221 | for a PC you can |
| 18:22.01 | Nidhoggr | might have to go the ebay route or something. |
| 18:22.05 | Patlabor221 | all I'm seeing anywhere for mac is radeons and GF4 TI 4200s |
| 18:22.14 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:23.24 | Cell | can i use 2 monitors with nview? |
| 18:23.27 | Nidhoggr | hrm.. these all show pci |
| 18:23.40 | Patlabor221 | cell, yes that's what it's for |
| 18:23.57 | Patlabor221 | there is an AGP 2mx on ebay for 125 |
| 18:24.01 | Patlabor221 | 135 |
| 18:24.01 | Cell | but it has only one monitor plug |
| 18:24.15 | Patlabor221 | does it have a DVI connector? |
| 18:24.20 | Cell | yes |
| 18:24.24 | Nidhoggr | you can get an adapter |
| 18:24.29 | Patlabor221 | you gat a DVI to analog |
| 18:24.34 | Patlabor221 | and then run 2 |
| 18:24.36 | Cell | ah |
| 18:24.38 | Nidhoggr | mine came with one. |
| 18:24.46 | Patlabor221 | most cards do |
| 18:25.00 | Nidhoggr | well, I'm gunna have to postpone the vid card. |
| 18:25.13 | Patlabor221 | looks like ATI is taking over the mac world |
| 18:25.38 | Nidhoggr | well, I only have to wait til next friday. |
| 18:25.58 | Nidhoggr | I thought nvidia did mac cards |
| 18:26.27 | Patlabor221 | they do |
| 18:26.31 | Patlabor221 | they exist |
| 18:26.48 | Patlabor221 | but they just don't seem to be popular |
| 18:27.50 | Nidhoggr | well, I guess I could just drive to fry's and see if they might have something. |
| 18:29.01 | Nidhoggr | ttyl |
| 18:31.10 | Cell | anybody wants to play virtua tennis? |
| 18:32.03 | Cell | need a good ping time though |
| 18:32.33 | Cell | 30ms would be allright |
| 18:33.56 | Cell | k, than i beat all cpu opponents with tomy haas again 6:0 |
| 18:34.10 | Cell | than/then |
| 18:41.19 | MrApathyCream | dell 8250@2.4g w/256m 30ghd = 1019 |
| 18:41.51 | Patlabor221 | well I just looked at compoenent cost and 2100's are like $85 for the CPU |
| 18:42.00 | Patlabor221 | and ram is finaly coming back down |
| 18:42.05 | Chestal | they sell 2.4GHz with 256MB, uh |
| 18:42.25 | Chestal | and where did they find that 30GB HD? |
| 18:42.32 | Patlabor221 | odd size |
| 18:42.36 | Chestal | it's big enough for most peopel, but still |
| 18:42.38 | MrApathyCream | hah |
| 18:42.57 | Chestal | 30GB was like 2 years ago I think |
| 18:43.03 | Chestal | and less than 512MB is just nonsense |
| 18:43.36 | MrApathyCream | ok 2.4 w200ghd+ 1grm = 1519 |
| 18:43.49 | Chestal | my office PC (2xPIII 500MHz) finally gets a memory upgrade one of these days |
| 18:44.03 | MrApathyCream | if only you'd get a real vid card |
| 18:44.03 | Patlabor221 | what kind of ram is in that dell? |
| 18:44.17 | sussudio | cryo-unit so you can overclock your p4 a measly 100 extra mhz: $500 |
| 18:44.23 | MrApathyCream | rdram |
| 18:44.31 | Patlabor221 | the PC1066 stuff? |
| 18:44.54 | Patlabor221 | or just normal rambus stuff? |
| 18:44.54 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 18:45.03 | MrApathyCream | pc1066 |
| 18:45.06 | Patlabor221 | tht's where all the money is |
| 18:45.18 | Patlabor221 | almost $200 a pop for 512's on thos things |
| 18:45.51 | Patlabor221 | iirc the 2.4 runs a 100 mhx core bus tho, so it seems a waste |
| 18:46.17 | MrApathyCream | 533 front side |
| 18:46.26 | Patlabor221 | ok then 133 core |
| 18:46.28 | Patlabor221 | qdr |
| 18:46.33 | Patlabor221 | witht eh 1066 ram |
| 18:46.51 | Patlabor221 | then that makes sense |
| 18:47.17 | MrApathyCream | only 7200 rpm drives tho |
| 18:47.28 | Patlabor221 | just buy the parts |
| 18:47.31 | Patlabor221 | it's cheaper |
| 18:47.50 | strayer | bye all.... |
| 18:58.03 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA] (~[TeA|Zee]@pD9E94E7C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:02.39 | MrApathyCream | bblk |
| 19:03.11 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 19:06.31 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl3x14.chesco.com) |
| 19:06.50 | MrApathyCream | could a *nix person rebuild latest cvs, to make sure i didn't fubar anything, please? |
| 19:08.27 | bzdoug | nah! |
| 19:08.29 | bzdoug | :P |
| 19:08.50 | MrApathyCream | hey bzdoug, i heard you have a bmp to bzw converter, true? |
| 19:09.03 | bzdoug | PNG to bzw |
| 19:09.13 | bzdoug | yup |
| 19:09.43 | MrApathyCream | grayscale maps to heights? |
| 19:10.04 | Chestal | MAC: only copyright? |
| 19:10.20 | MrApathyCream | yes, and if any line endings pop up |
| 19:12.01 | MrApathyCream | first time i did a commit -R ;) |
| 19:13.04 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:13.04 | MrApathyCream | bzdoug, is it only use boxes, or does it use pyramids somehow? |
| 19:13.11 | bzdoug | boxes only |
| 19:13.16 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 19:13.19 | bzdoug | its really tuf to figure out how to do it |
| 19:13.25 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:13.28 | bzdoug | but its really slick |
| 19:13.43 | bzdoug | creates thousends of boxes |
| 19:13.47 | MrApathyCream | do you build horizontal slabs, or small vertical boxes |
| 19:13.54 | Patlabor221 | i'll be 1 for each pixel |
| 19:13.57 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: he didnt make it. |
| 19:14.06 | bzdoug | sussudio: he knows dat |
| 19:14.32 | bzdoug | well, let me make a map and I will show you the image, and you compare |
| 19:14.38 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 19:14.49 | bzdoug | I supposed I could give ya the proggy |
| 19:14.56 | MrApathyCream | i might have to redo it for the fun of it |
| 19:15.25 | Patlabor221 | I could post source for BZE and you could add it to there |
| 19:15.32 | bzdoug | and a guy named iron foot or something has a qbasic program that can make mazes and also take png2bzw and rotate it up |
| 19:15.38 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: :) |
| 19:15.42 | MrApathyCream | is calvin and hobbes from that? |
| 19:15.47 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:16.03 | bzdoug | I mae a map called.... BZFlags face |
| 19:16.04 | bzdoug | :) |
| 19:16.16 | bzdoug | had lots of boxes, but it was rikers face |
| 19:16.19 | bzdoug | sorta |
| 19:17.20 | bzdoug | aha |
| 19:17.27 | bzdoug | I found the orige email |
| 19:17.44 | bzdoug | I shall email you the whole suiete of apps |
| 19:17.51 | bzdoug | your email? |
| 19:18.02 | MrApathyCream | dbrosius@chesco.com |
| 19:18.05 | MrApathyCream | thx |
| 19:18.48 | bzdoug | 3 emails sent |
| 19:18.48 | bzdoug | :) |
| 19:20.09 | MrApathyCream | gottum |
| 19:20.18 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:20.18 | bzdoug | :) |
| 19:20.38 | bzdoug | aha, found my own images... |
| 19:21.25 | bzdoug | MrApathyCream: can you fix the program so it uses pyrimads and rotated boxes? |
| 19:21.43 | Patlabor221 | from an image? |
| 19:21.48 | Patlabor221 | how would that work? |
| 19:21.56 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:22.08 | bzdoug | look at lines |
| 19:22.10 | bzdoug | and stuff |
| 19:22.29 | Patlabor221 | that would require image recognition |
| 19:22.35 | Patlabor221 | pictures are made up of dots |
| 19:22.55 | bzdoug | and thats what that program does |
| 19:22.57 | MrApathyCream | rotated boxes would be good |
| 19:23.20 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: you find a 'area' of common color, and build a box out of it |
| 19:23.25 | MrApathyCream | color represents height |
| 19:23.27 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:23.37 | Patlabor221 | hmmmmmmm. I could make a feature that would let you put an image on the ground in the map area as a template |
| 19:23.43 | bzdoug | I can make it make a map right now that is only 3 or three boxes |
| 19:23.53 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: hmmm indeed |
| 19:24.22 | Patlabor221 | well souce for bze is posted if you want to mess with it |
| 19:24.35 | bzdoug | heh |
| 19:24.54 | MrApathyCream | ~imitate BZFlag |
| 19:25.03 | bzdoug | ~shutup |
| 19:25.04 | MrApathyCream | erg |
| 19:25.07 | Patlabor221 | the world API has nice "add object" functions, so you don't have to reinvent the wheele |
| 19:25.14 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:26.28 | bzdoug | MrApathyCream: http://heck.no-ip.com/bzflag/ |
| 19:26.32 | bzdoug | compare.. |
| 19:27.27 | Patlabor221 | what's with the big ass box in the middle |
| 19:27.36 | bzdoug | where? |
| 19:27.52 | Patlabor221 | floating over the middle |
| 19:28.04 | Patlabor221 | ahhh it dosn't make one per pixel |
| 19:28.06 | Patlabor221 | that is nice |
| 19:28.15 | Patlabor221 | vertical scan conversion |
| 19:28.39 | bzdoug | oh |
| 19:28.49 | bzdoug | I was messin with the map |
| 19:28.52 | bzdoug | forgot about that |
| 19:29.31 | Patlabor221 | and some horizonal grouping it seems too |
| 19:30.19 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:30.58 | bzdoug | also if make boxes in the image perfectly strait, it will make a single box |
| 19:31.27 | bzdoug | also since its greyscale, I can make boxes at diferent heights |
| 19:32.10 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:32.14 | bzdoug | whats the latest version? |
| 19:32.47 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:33.02 | bzdoug | ~bzedit |
| 19:33.03 | | rumour has it, bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 19:33.57 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 19:39.54 | bzdoug | http://heck.no-ip.com/bzflag/DECKS.JPG |
| 19:40.00 | Patlabor221 | the version is the same as it ever was |
| 19:40.10 | bzdoug | heh |
| 19:40.38 | Patlabor221 | I new I shoudn't have put that feature in there |
| 19:40.58 | bzdoug | oh man |
| 19:41.03 | bzdoug | heres a great screen shot |
| 19:42.08 | bzdoug | http://heck.no-ip.com/bzflag/TELEPORTS.JPG |
| 19:43.20 | MrApathyCream | one should build a teleporter that sends you up in the air and catches you in a ring of teleporters that just throw you around in a circle for ever |
| 19:43.28 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:43.33 | bzdoug | I was thinking that too |
| 19:43.38 | MrApathyCream | uhoh |
| 19:43.42 | bzdoug | but I figured it would be too har |
| 19:43.42 | bzdoug | d |
| 19:43.50 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:44.03 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:44.07 | bzdoug | I could do that... |
| 19:44.34 | bzdoug | GRR |
| 19:44.38 | bzdoug | silly bzedit |
| 19:44.43 | bzdoug | puts random number in there |
| 19:44.55 | Patlabor221 | where |
| 19:44.57 | stibnite_ | uggh. How does one get bzcops on one's server? |
| 19:45.03 | Patlabor221 | I do no use RAND in the code at all |
| 19:45.08 | bzdoug | well, sorta random |
| 19:45.17 | bzdoug | in the position area |
| 19:45.29 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 19:45.37 | bzdoug | teleporter |
| 19:45.43 | bzdoug | I just restarted the program |
| 19:45.45 | bzdoug | it works ok now |
| 19:45.47 | bzdoug | odd |
| 19:45.54 | captain_proton | stibnite_: ask jzaun or noodle when they're around |
| 19:45.59 | Patlabor221 | when you make a new TP? |
| 19:46.08 | Patlabor221 | it should default to 0 0 |
| 19:46.15 | Patlabor221 | unless you dupe it |
| 19:46.20 | bzdoug | stibnite_: email jzaun, thats the ONLY way... |
| 19:46.24 | MrApathyCream | the person who makes a triangle primitive for bzw will get rich |
| 19:46.47 | bzdoug | yea, I was fiddleing with all dup in there, and I made a new map, and it was acting funny |
| 19:46.53 | bzdoug | MrApathyCream: indeed, and circles too |
| 19:47.31 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: sheesh, big enough checkin? |
| 19:47.38 | bzdoug | :P |
| 19:47.59 | MrApathyCream | and yet so small |
| 19:50.06 | bzdoug | I want to use dup and.... to make a curve... how would I do that? |
| 19:50.20 | MrApathyCream | bzdoug wants rotate around a point |
| 19:50.26 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:50.32 | bzdoug | with teleporters |
| 19:50.32 | MrApathyCream | anyone know bzflag's (the proggy)'s birthday? |
| 19:50.43 | bzdoug | ~bzflag |
| 19:50.47 | | somebody said bzflag was mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming |
| 19:50.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: crs said 'first week in january' but he didn't remember the exact date |
| 19:51.03 | Patlabor221 | you can sorta do it with translate with rotate, that checkbox there |
| 19:51.05 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 19:51.08 | MrApathyCream | 10 years old |
| 19:51.10 | Patlabor221 | tell it to move when it rotates |
| 19:51.15 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 19:51.18 | bzdoug | ok |
| 19:51.20 | bzdoug | let me try.. |
| 19:51.29 | Patlabor221 | give it a Y translation and a rotation |
| 19:51.32 | Patlabor221 | and hit that box |
| 19:51.39 | bzdoug | k |
| 19:51.40 | Patlabor221 | not as intuitive as rotate around a point |
| 19:51.53 | MrApathyCream | heh, no |
| 19:52.04 | Patlabor221 | hey it was easy to hook up |
| 19:52.16 | bzdoug | COOL! |
| 19:52.18 | MrApathyCream | you should be able to drag around a point to rotate |
| 19:52.41 | bzdoug | but not really how I wanted it... |
| 19:52.47 | Patlabor221 | well I do NOT like my draging implementaion |
| 19:52.59 | bzdoug | then fix it |
| 19:53.14 | bzdoug | I have to quit everytime I use dup and... |
| 19:53.18 | Patlabor221 | I want widgets on the selected group and when you rotate you can move the center of rotaiton |
| 19:53.27 | Patlabor221 | kina like how photoshop does it |
| 19:53.34 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:53.36 | bzdoug | yea |
| 19:53.36 | Patlabor221 | doug that involves TIME |
| 19:53.42 | bzdoug | :) |
| 19:53.55 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: yup |
| 19:53.56 | Patlabor221 | Time is not something I have a lot of right now |
| 19:54.05 | MrApathyCream | bah |
| 19:54.24 | MrApathyCream | that's what the middle of the nite is for |
| 19:54.24 | bzdoug | but MrApathyCream on the other hand has bucket fulls of time |
| 19:54.31 | MrApathyCream | that i do |
| 19:54.33 | Patlabor221 | evertime I look at BZE code now I get pissed at it and want to redo it |
| 19:54.54 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:54.57 | Cell | maybe i should give you my code |
| 19:54.58 | MrApathyCream | all i gotta do is shower once a week, and pick up poop every hour |
| 19:55.09 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:55.32 | bzdoug | oh |
| 19:56.04 | Chestal | hmm, another day well-wasted |
| 19:56.04 | Cell | i have a better cool generic infrastructer for 3d objects, most i greatly addapted from 3d studio max sdk doc |
| 19:56.13 | Cell | but i would say my is far better |
| 19:56.16 | bzdoug | ok then.... all bzedit needs fixing is the ability to his enter to apply new settings, and fix the dup and... bug.. |
| 19:56.36 | bzdoug | his/hit |
| 19:56.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah I tried to hook up the enter key thing, but there are poblems with it |
| 19:57.10 | bzdoug | oh |
| 19:57.11 | Patlabor221 | hence why I get pissed at it and want to re do it |
| 19:57.29 | Patlabor221 | I didn't do the sub dialogs the way I should have |
| 19:57.40 | bzdoug | ah |
| 19:57.45 | Patlabor221 | and I have to kill the MFC doc, there is no need for it anymore |
| 19:57.55 | Patlabor221 | CWorld does all it does |
| 19:58.25 | Patlabor221 | and there are focus issues with the main window and all the sub dialogs |
| 19:58.28 | Cell | Patlabor221: take a double double |
| 19:58.31 | Patlabor221 | that's mostly why enter dosn't work |
| 19:58.33 | Cell | lol |
| 19:58.38 | bzdoug | woo, a circle |
| 19:58.38 | Patlabor221 | you will live cap |
| 19:59.33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i still reserve the right to bitch about it |
| 19:59.40 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 19:59.52 | Patlabor221 | didn't say you didn't get to |
| 20:00.17 | MrApathyCream | bbiab |
| 20:00.37 | Patlabor221 | cell: we would not know if yours is better or not, you yave yet to release any CODE for us to see. just a couple weak screenshots |
| 20:01.01 | bzdoug | lol |
| 20:01.28 | bzdoug | check out my perfect circle map |
| 20:01.43 | Patlabor221 | you mean your segmented circle map? |
| 20:02.09 | bzdoug | :P |
| 20:02.12 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:02.12 | Patlabor221 | how many boxes did you use? |
| 20:02.14 | bzdoug | cant join... |
| 20:02.20 | bzdoug | 300 boxes |
| 20:02.34 | bzdoug | for a 50 u size squair |
| 20:02.41 | Patlabor221 | a tricentagon not a circle then |
| 20:04.22 | *** join/#bzflag vogon (340b8fac94@64-40-57-127.nocharge.com) |
| 20:04.47 | Patlabor221 | 1.2 deg per box, that is no circle |
| 20:05.01 | *** part/#bzflag vogon (340b8fac94@64-40-57-127.nocharge.com) |
| 20:05.09 | bzdoug | eh? |
| 20:05.37 | bzdoug | what would be the way to use the least amount of boxes to make a "circle" |
| 20:05.48 | Patlabor221 | you don't get it do you |
| 20:05.49 | Patlabor221 | 3 |
| 20:06.09 | Patlabor221 | smalles number of sides for a closed equilateral polygon |
| 20:06.21 | Patlabor221 | anyting over that is fluff |
| 20:06.25 | bzdoug | ehgad |
| 20:19.52 | *** join/#bzflag Secret_Hamster (~piffle@pc2-mfld3-5-cust201.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:20.02 | bzdoug | 'LO Secret_Hamster!!! |
| 20:20.12 | Secret_Hamster | hello |
| 20:21.31 | Secret_Hamster | ooh very nice |
| 20:21.42 | Secret_Hamster | liked that new three way ctf that someone made |
| 20:21.51 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 20:21.52 | bzdoug | hm |
| 20:22.15 | Secret_Hamster | let me see if I can find it |
| 20:22.24 | bzdoug | k |
| 20:23.34 | bzdoug | hmm, too big... |
| 20:23.41 | bzdoug | y = 1125.45 |
| 20:23.44 | bzdoug | too far... |
| 20:24.18 | Secret_Hamster | err yea slightly |
| 20:24.37 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 20:24.42 | bzdoug | 744.142 |
| 20:24.44 | bzdoug | better... |
| 20:25.09 | Secret_Hamster | err still too big |
| 20:25.13 | bzdoug | ok.. |
| 20:25.18 | bzdoug | 172.856 |
| 20:25.23 | bzdoug | better... |
| 20:25.24 | bzdoug | too small... |
| 20:25.26 | Secret_Hamster | it's 400 the largest value |
| 20:25.32 | bzdoug | yea |
| 20:25.33 | Secret_Hamster | +-400 |
| 20:25.35 | Patlabor221 | do the math doug |
| 20:25.44 | bzdoug | eh? |
| 20:25.46 | bzdoug | math? |
| 20:25.48 | bzdoug | whats that? |
| 20:26.00 | Patlabor221 | figure out how large you want your circle to be |
| 20:26.04 | Patlabor221 | and do the math |
| 20:26.25 | bzdoug | I want it 400 units wide |
| 20:26.34 | Patlabor221 | dimater or rad? |
| 20:26.52 | bzdoug | diameter |
| 20:27.05 | Patlabor221 | and how many segments are there? |
| 20:27.22 | bzdoug | that would be about 8 u per square |
| 20:27.26 | bzdoug | 360 |
| 20:27.42 | Patlabor221 | and is that 400 to the wall edge or to the center of a box? |
| 20:28.04 | bzdoug | center of box |
| 20:29.03 | Patlabor221 | then calc the curcumfrance of your circle |
| 20:29.08 | Patlabor221 | and devide by segements |
| 20:29.20 | Patlabor221 | thats how large each step is |
| 20:29.44 | bzdoug | ahh |
| 20:30.06 | Patlabor221 | 3.4906585039886591538473815369772 |
| 20:30.20 | Patlabor221 | aproximatly |
| 20:30.28 | bzdoug | heh |
| 20:30.46 | Patlabor221 | don't they teach you math? |
| 20:30.53 | bzdoug | math? |
| 20:31.16 | Patlabor221 | a small pebble used for counting? |
| 20:31.34 | bzdoug | aha! |
| 20:31.47 | bzdoug | thats perfect... now I need to be twice the size... |
| 20:32.20 | Patlabor221 | 6.9813170079773183076947630739545 |
| 20:32.37 | bzdoug | yea... |
| 20:32.51 | captain_proton | a calculas? |
| 20:32.53 | bzdoug | now that would be with each box being 1 u wide |
| 20:33.01 | Patlabor221 | a stone used for reconing. |
| 20:33.17 | Patlabor221 | he's even to low to use an abacus |
| 20:34.10 | bzdoug | perfect.... now I need to figure out how wide each box needs to be... |
| 20:34.17 | bzdoug | ~6.98/2 |
| 20:34.18 | | 3.49 |
| 20:34.33 | Patlabor221 | wow you are realy realy realy dumb arn't you |
| 20:34.53 | bzdoug | no |
| 20:35.04 | bzdoug | faster to use ibot |
| 20:35.07 | captain_proton | uhh |
| 20:35.09 | captain_proton | faster? |
| 20:35.17 | captain_proton | you have to type it out using ibot |
| 20:35.28 | Patlabor221 | it's the same value as the first step amount I gave you dipshit |
| 20:35.29 | bzdoug | precisly |
| 20:35.33 | bzdoug | oh yea |
| 20:35.53 | Patlabor221 | serioulsy you need to get some math skills or you will be working at taco bell |
| 20:36.11 | bzdoug | Mmmm, tacos |
| 20:37.54 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 20:38.41 | captain_proton | eww |
| 20:38.48 | bzdoug | what? |
| 20:38.54 | bzdoug | its Mmmm Mmmm good |
| 20:38.55 | captain_proton | if its not on orowheat oat-nut bread its not worth eating |
| 20:39.22 | captain_proton | at least as far as mushed-up tuna goes |
| 20:39.23 | bzdoug | Mmm, I like that better than pita, but still pitas are hard to beat |
| 20:39.26 | Patlabor221 | gimee the tuna raw |
| 20:39.33 | Patlabor221 | on rice please |
| 20:39.51 | Patlabor221 | and some ginger mustard sauce |
| 20:40.08 | Patlabor221 | you don't have any live tuna there |
| 20:41.36 | Patlabor221 | don't knock the raw fish till you have tried it |
| 20:41.56 | bzdoug | I have had raw fish |
| 20:42.08 | Patlabor221 | california rolls don't count |
| 20:42.29 | bzdoug | it WAS raw at one time |
| 20:42.33 | Cell | raw is ok |
| 20:42.36 | captain_proton | california rolls don't count |
| 20:42.36 | Patlabor221 | there is no raw fish in CA rolls |
| 20:42.38 | bzdoug | heck, your "raw" meat |
| 20:42.47 | bzdoug | ok, so they was sushi |
| 20:42.55 | Patlabor221 | what was it? |
| 20:42.59 | captain_proton | sushi doesn't mean raw fish |
| 20:43.06 | bzdoug | it saw the guy put raw fish on it while makin it |
| 20:43.16 | Patlabor221 | in a CA rool? |
| 20:43.22 | Patlabor221 | or was it a tuna roll? |
| 20:43.31 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.123) |
| 20:43.39 | Cell | i like carp |
| 20:43.42 | Patlabor221 | CA roll is crab |
| 20:43.54 | captain_proton | or sometimes not even that, just vegetables |
| 20:43.56 | MrApathyCream | halibut |
| 20:44.03 | bzdoug | swordfish |
| 20:44.09 | Patlabor221 | cap that's a variant yes, but not a true CA roll |
| 20:44.13 | Secret_Hamster | swordfish is yummy |
| 20:44.23 | bzdoug | hamsters are yummy |
| 20:44.23 | Cell | tono |
| 20:44.31 | captain_proton | its arguable whether caterpillar rolls or yellowtail take the #1 roll spot |
| 20:44.54 | bzdoug | twinkys are rolls |
| 20:44.59 | Secret_Hamster | hamsters have too many bones |
| 20:45.00 | Patlabor221 | cap see if they will make you a washington roll next time you go |
| 20:45.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: whazzat? |
| 20:45.19 | Patlabor221 | CA roll |
| 20:45.24 | Patlabor221 | some times with asparagus |
| 20:45.30 | Patlabor221 | with salmon on top |
| 20:45.33 | Patlabor221 | and ichii sauce |
| 20:45.53 | bzdoug | WASABI! |
| 20:48.37 | bzdoug | hmm, dup and... doesnt seem to keep my teleports borders at 0 |
| 20:49.06 | Secret_Hamster | Ps did I mention today I got old? |
| 20:49.23 | bzdoug | old? |
| 20:49.24 | Patlabor221 | and how old is that? |
| 20:49.27 | bzdoug | as in above 100? |
| 20:49.46 | Secret_Hamster | no today I got to a critical figure in my life |
| 20:49.57 | Patlabor221 | 8? |
| 20:50.03 | bzdoug | 9? |
| 20:50.06 | Secret_Hamster | Officially I'm old. All the b'day cards said so |
| 20:50.09 | bzdoug | 60? |
| 20:50.12 | bzdoug | 40? |
| 20:50.16 | bzdoug | 50? |
| 20:50.22 | Patlabor221 | your not old till you bust a hip |
| 20:50.33 | Secret_Hamster | I can no longer hold my drink, pull the birds and I find DIY the most exciting thing to do |
| 20:50.55 | Patlabor221 | ok so give us a number |
| 20:51.06 | Patlabor221 | if it's 18 I won't be impresed |
| 20:51.12 | Secret_Hamster | well the last bit it true. I got given a power planer and proceeded to go and immediately use it |
| 20:51.23 | Secret_Hamster | higer than 18 lower than 40 |
| 20:51.29 | Patlabor221 | 20? |
| 20:51.34 | Secret_Hamster | higher |
| 20:51.38 | Patlabor221 | 30? |
| 20:51.50 | bzdoug | 35 |
| 20:51.51 | Secret_Hamster | Feel liek Bruce Forsyth if you know who he is |
| 20:52.01 | bzdoug | ~rand |
| 20:52.02 | Patlabor221 | ohh you were old 5 years ago |
| 20:52.07 | Secret_Hamster | prize goes to Patlabor221 |
| 20:52.20 | bzdoug | ick |
| 20:52.23 | bzdoug | only 30? |
| 20:52.25 | bzdoug | sheesh |
| 20:52.30 | Patlabor221 | something doug will NEVER see |
| 20:52.32 | captain_proton | bzdoug: shut up, you're only half his age |
| 20:52.56 | Secret_Hamster | actaully I don't feel old cept for the fact I too lod to retrain professionally |
| 20:53.04 | Secret_Hamster | s/lod/old |
| 20:53.10 | Patlabor221 | at 30? |
| 20:53.21 | Secret_Hamster | yep |
| 20:53.29 | Patlabor221 | wow if you can't learn something new then something is wrong with you |
| 20:53.44 | bzdoug | hes 30... that answer all questions |
| 20:53.47 | Secret_Hamster | by the time I come out of uni at 33-35 then no-one will want to take you on |
| 20:53.50 | Patlabor221 | I'm 30 too |
| 20:54.08 | Patlabor221 | sure they will |
| 20:54.16 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: I'm not saying I can't learn. I'm learning all the time. it's the employers |
| 20:54.18 | Patlabor221 | and who says you have to go to a full time uni |
| 20:54.19 | bzdoug | the retirement home will |
| 20:54.38 | Patlabor221 | dosn't seem that way out here |
| 20:54.57 | Patlabor221 | we have people geting new jobs in new fields into there 40s |
| 20:55.10 | Secret_Hamster | no they won't. Why pay for a 3x yo who wants to settle down with his wife, kids mortgage. when you can employ a recent graduate for peanuts |
| 20:55.32 | Patlabor221 | cus recent grads are idiots |
| 20:55.41 | Secret_Hamster | but there cheap |
| 20:55.45 | Patlabor221 | we don't hire recent grads for dev jobs |
| 20:55.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah and your procut turns out to be crap |
| 20:55.57 | Secret_Hamster | and in a couple of years they will become useful |
| 20:56.00 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: even me? =} |
| 20:56.25 | Patlabor221 | cap, even with what I know you know, you would not be given a core dev job here |
| 20:56.37 | Secret_Hamster | you have the same with the 3x graduate too. until they've had a couple of years in work they are useless |
| 20:56.41 | Patlabor221 | not to say you would not move up fast |
| 20:57.05 | Patlabor221 | we have found that the older people learn to deal with the job faster |
| 20:57.12 | Patlabor221 | they have allready been broken |
| 20:57.26 | Patlabor221 | and don't have that "independcne" that the younger kids have |
| 20:57.27 | Secret_Hamster | Plus the 20 something has more energy and tiem for work. a 30 something has to have days off fo the kids. won't work so flexibly |
| 20:57.48 | Patlabor221 | where do you live? |
| 20:58.23 | Secret_Hamster | I've talked to a number of middle/senior managers and the agree. In the UK at least that is the view of the 30 something |
| 20:58.36 | Patlabor221 | not here in CA |
| 20:58.43 | Patlabor221 | see we hate our famialys |
| 20:58.48 | Secret_Hamster | The only reason they employ 30 somthings is because of there experience |
| 20:58.49 | Patlabor221 | and we come to work to get awway from them |
| 20:59.05 | Patlabor221 | the youngins allways want time off to go have fun |
| 20:59.10 | Patlabor221 | and allways leave at 5 |
| 20:59.18 | Secret_Hamster | they can do three times the work. because they know what to do |
| 20:59.32 | Patlabor221 | ohh not in out industry |
| 20:59.47 | Patlabor221 | our 3 yougest people here have no speed |
| 20:59.56 | Patlabor221 | they require constant oversight |
| 21:00.07 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: but they'll work flexibly. Can I have Firday off, I prepared to work eveing shifts too. To make the time up |
| 21:00.24 | Patlabor221 | actualy only our older people do that |
| 21:00.31 | Secret_Hamster | A 30 something can't do that s/he has to be there for the kids |
| 21:00.44 | Patlabor221 | proalby difrent out there |
| 21:01.01 | Patlabor221 | I mean I'm at work right now |
| 21:01.21 | Secret_Hamster | plus they are predictable with there holidays. they alwasy want them during the difficult periods, like summer and the holidays |
| 21:01.43 | Secret_Hamster | 20 somethings tend to take there holidays in off peak-periods |
| 21:01.54 | Patlabor221 | england sounds wierd |
| 21:02.09 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: I'm not working at the moment. haven't for 6 months. my career is over. |
| 21:02.22 | Patlabor221 | what did you do? |
| 21:02.24 | Secret_Hamster | I'm gonna retrain as an electrician |
| 21:02.31 | Secret_Hamster | I did to IT/networking |
| 21:02.37 | Secret_Hamster | s/to/do |
| 21:02.55 | Patlabor221 | well there is a derth of those type of people |
| 21:03.11 | Secret_Hamster | exactly, especially in the UK |
| 21:03.38 | Secret_Hamster | they reckong there MIGHT be a SMALL pickup by the end of 2003 |
| 21:03.39 | Patlabor221 | out here you would have an adavanatage in the job market because of your resume |
| 21:03.50 | Patlabor221 | here they acutlay read them |
| 21:04.01 | Patlabor221 | I mean I'm a developer for a CAM comany |
| 21:04.07 | Patlabor221 | and I don't have a college degree |
| 21:04.17 | Secret_Hamster | Over here we have fat lazy recruitment agancies that get paid lots of money for nothing |
| 21:04.33 | Patlabor221 | you need to move |
| 21:06.02 | Secret_Hamster | wish I could. but I'm a typical 30 something. Just moved 4 times in the past 5 years. Don't wish to do it again. have no money to do it anyway |
| 21:06.20 | Secret_Hamster | finally my girly doesn't want to move. |
| 21:07.00 | MrApathyCream | Secret_Hamster: you could be my grandson |
| 21:07.06 | Secret_Hamster | and yes I do know how much the UK sucks |
| 21:07.15 | Secret_Hamster | however its my home |
| 21:07.38 | Secret_Hamster | I'd emigrate tomorrow if my girly would come, but she won't |
| 21:07.41 | Patlabor221 | mAC is like a baszillion years old |
| 21:08.18 | Cell | tono + polo means tuna + chicken in language of Italy |
| 21:08.31 | captain_proton | Cell: thats 'pollo' |
| 21:08.40 | Cell | oh yes |
| 21:08.59 | captain_proton | s/+/i/ |
| 21:09.30 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: probably not |
| 21:09.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:09.53 | Cell | im normal as k jeevers |
| 21:10.06 | Patlabor221 | with your sensu beans? |
| 21:10.12 | MrApathyCream | yutes are useless in development sorry to say |
| 21:10.28 | Cell | Secret_Hamster: i count you in |
| 21:11.05 | MrApathyCream | frikin lazy, and idealistic.... |
| 21:11.22 | Cell | yutes? |
| 21:11.22 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: thanks |
| 21:11.24 | Patlabor221 | yutes? |
| 21:11.46 | Cell | oh i hope u dont mean what i think |
| 21:11.46 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: no prob :*l |
| 21:11.54 | Cell | because than u are a big ass |
| 21:11.56 | captain_proton | yutes = youths |
| 21:12.00 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 21:12.06 | Cell | ok u are no ass |
| 21:12.22 | captain_proton | arf arf |
| 21:12.23 | Patlabor221 | that's what I thought but had never seen the term |
| 21:12.26 | captain_proton | my coworkers bother me |
| 21:12.34 | captain_proton | they're addicted to tivo hacking |
| 21:12.40 | Patlabor221 | your co workers are college students |
| 21:12.44 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: no |
| 21:12.46 | Patlabor221 | of course they bother you |
| 21:12.47 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 21:12.51 | captain_proton | a few of them are college students |
| 21:12.54 | captain_proton | and the rest are full-time |
| 21:13.02 | Patlabor221 | ok they work for a college |
| 21:13.06 | MrApathyCream | <captain proton's boss> we need to get this thing out the door by next week |
| 21:13.19 | Patlabor221 | that means they are college sudents who didn't want to leave when they graduated :) |
| 21:13.20 | MrApathyCream | <captain proton>it's a piece of sh*t it needs to be completely rewritten |
| 21:13.31 | captain_proton | one of them was hacking the openbsd kernel to support lba48 so he could put a 200mb hard drive in his tivo :P |
| 21:13.35 | Cell | juliette will win |
| 21:13.38 | MrApathyCream | <captain proton's boss>I'd don't care what state it's in, it's got be finished |
| 21:14.02 | MrApathyCream | <captian proton> I'm sure if you let me redo it from the ground up, i can get it done in a weeek |
| 21:14.10 | Patlabor221 | <captan proton> well I think it needs to be done on linux and I won't use a source safe database |
| 21:14.25 | MrApathyCream | <captain proton's boss> we don't have a license |
| 21:14.36 | MrApathyCream | <captain proton> i can haXor on up for j00 |
| 21:15.08 | Patlabor221 | mac don't forget uses of difrent languages just cus they are "cool" :) |
| 21:15.30 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 21:15.32 | captain_proton | lets write it in OcaML |
| 21:15.35 | Patlabor221 | cap wold die here |
| 21:15.48 | Patlabor221 | we would make you put your { on the line AFTER the if |
| 21:15.55 | MrApathyCream | hahahahahaha |
| 21:16.06 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton would have to quit |
| 21:16.14 | MrApathyCream | couldn't work with 'them idiots' |
| 21:16.15 | Patlabor221 | and other people whould have to look at your code |
| 21:16.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i'm willing to do that if people are paying me to do it |
| 21:16.22 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:16.27 | Patlabor221 | and you would have to look at other people code |
| 21:16.34 | Patlabor221 | and NOT "rip it a new one" |
| 21:16.38 | captain_proton | eww other people's code |
| 21:16.40 | Patlabor221 | well unless it was REALY old |
| 21:17.13 | MrApathyCream | captain proton's boss> I need you to put together a power point system together showing how this is all going to work |
| 21:17.20 | Patlabor221 | ohh yes and your boss would want you to do the cheezeyst fixes to the code to make it work |
| 21:18.31 | Cell | cell's boos: there is no sugga in the coffee! |
| 21:18.33 | Patlabor221 | once our develeopment manager didn't want to buy us copys of photoshop, because " you can just do all your interface stuff in the bitmap editor in VB" |
| 21:18.50 | Patlabor221 | <cell> you want frys with that? |
| 21:19.01 | Cell | of coz |
| 21:19.19 | Patlabor221 | that man is no longer our development manager |
| 21:19.38 | MrApathyCream | <Patlabor221>: He's the president! |
| 21:19.56 | Patlabor221 | no, strangely enough he was ousted from the deptarment |
| 21:20.03 | Patlabor221 | he's in marketing now |
| 21:20.13 | MrApathyCream | prolly making millions |
| 21:20.20 | Patlabor221 | one of our presedents actual smart decisions |
| 21:20.30 | Patlabor221 | no , he's in the marketing dept of this company |
| 21:20.39 | Patlabor221 | they are failing horibly |
| 21:20.57 | Cell | cell's bos:you have done great work... but i think i cannot promise you... |
| 21:21.38 | Patlabor221 | <cell's boss> why are covered in DBZ posters> |
| 21:22.16 | Cell | because im a cowerd |
| 21:22.26 | Patlabor221 | sadly it keeps proving itslef often |
| 21:22.34 | Secret_Hamster | I was in a company that bought another company for $900M. It was making a loss, and had assets totalling about $1.5M. Our CEO was a friend of the guy who owned the comapny we bought |
| 21:23.12 | Patlabor221 | we were suposed to have feature freze yesterday, and here I am adding new features that they just added and said "HAD" to be in |
| 21:24.13 | Cell | cell prefers a job where he can be a minimalist |
| 21:24.22 | Secret_Hamster | HAD == just sold to the customer as having |
| 21:24.36 | Patlabor221 | cell that would be ether goverment or food service. |
| 21:24.50 | Patlabor221 | no they haven't sold it to anyone |
| 21:24.50 | Cell | than i take food service |
| 21:24.52 | Patlabor221 | it's just them |
| 21:24.53 | MrApathyCream | In the post mortem analysis, development being late will be one of the biggest issues discussed |
| 21:24.56 | Patlabor221 | wanting it in |
| 21:25.07 | Cell | i wanted to buy commerce one |
| 21:25.07 | Patlabor221 | ohh hell we are never on time |
| 21:25.27 | Patlabor221 | last release was over a year late |
| 21:25.37 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 21:25.51 | Cell | but my bos did not |
| 21:25.53 | captain_proton | mmmmm |
| 21:25.55 | captain_proton | heaven |
| 21:26.01 | captain_proton | a frosty coke and a bag of habanero chips |
| 21:26.02 | MrApathyCream | on time, on budget on spec, pick any two |
| 21:26.16 | Patlabor221 | and people keep buing our stuff cus we are the only ones out there with a product that does what we do in this low of a price range. |
| 21:26.22 | Cell | i love B2B |
| 21:26.33 | Cell | xml solutions |
| 21:27.34 | Patlabor221 | I think this one thing would kill cap about our product: up untill the release we are working on now, our app would draw it's own interface items inside our window, and make them look like windows interface elements |
| 21:28.00 | Patlabor221 | all via an API that direclty copys the Mactinosh toolbok |
| 21:28.07 | Patlabor221 | toolbox |
| 21:28.10 | MrApathyCream | sw33t |
| 21:28.20 | Cell | cell's bos:kazaa whats that? |
| 21:28.33 | MrApathyCream | finally ditched because the 68K emulator was too difficult to maintain |
| 21:28.43 | Patlabor221 | all our interface resources are built on a mac, then converted to a binary data fork format |
| 21:28.50 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ARGH |
| 21:28.58 | Patlabor221 | tell me about it |
| 21:29.09 | MrApathyCream | welcome to the working world, captain_proton, you will be doing this soon too |
| 21:29.21 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: no you don't get it, all companies are like this |
| 21:29.28 | Patlabor221 | the part that I work on, compiles a little programing language into fake mac resources |
| 21:29.32 | MrApathyCream | well, all companies that have any money left to pay you |
| 21:29.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's called legacy crap |
| 21:29.56 | Patlabor221 | it works and you can't spend the time to go change it |
| 21:30.07 | Patlabor221 | actualy we are one of the nice companys to work for |
| 21:30.11 | Patlabor221 | it's very laid back here |
| 21:30.15 | MrApathyCream | We're still shipping a product that we lost the source code to, granted not many but... |
| 21:30.19 | Patlabor221 | and not a large comany |
| 21:30.38 | Patlabor221 | we do that too, ship a mac product that was writen in pascall. |
| 21:30.54 | MrApathyCream | MacPascal? |
| 21:30.56 | Patlabor221 | and noone know where the source to NCSim is |
| 21:30.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:31.05 | MrApathyCream | woowoo... that was a product! |
| 21:31.21 | Cell | i would fire you for this |
| 21:31.22 | Patlabor221 | most of the module I work in was run through a P to C converter |
| 21:31.48 | Patlabor221 | noneof the origonal developers work here anymore ether |
| 21:31.58 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: lemme guess you have implemented your own mem manager that uses 'Handles' |
| 21:32.02 | MrApathyCream | --for pc |
| 21:32.11 | Patlabor221 | ohh hell yeah |
| 21:32.17 | captain_proton | ARF |
| 21:32.18 | MrApathyCream | woowoo! |
| 21:32.19 | Patlabor221 | we had it on dos |
| 21:32.21 | MrApathyCream | like it, like it |
| 21:32.33 | Patlabor221 | now thankfully we let windows manage mostof the mem |
| 21:32.39 | Patlabor221 | but we still call NewHandle |
| 21:32.42 | MrApathyCream | hahah |
| 21:32.43 | Patlabor221 | it just calls malloc now |
| 21:32.50 | Patlabor221 | OpenResFile |
| 21:32.52 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: welcom |
| 21:33.02 | Patlabor221 | when all it realy does is call fopen |
| 21:33.06 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: care to hand me that jar of peanut butter? |
| 21:33.11 | MrApathyCream | hah |
| 21:33.15 | bzdoug | captain_proton: heres a 1000 gift certificate for the nearest asylum |
| 21:33.32 | Cell | i hope i get an executive right after ive done with study, i dont wnat to deal with such crap |
| 21:33.43 | MrApathyCream | we've still got 16bit fortran in part of our product |
| 21:34.11 | MrApathyCream | If you work at a company with more than 15 people, guaranteed it's going to be bass ackwards |
| 21:34.23 | captain_proton | ooo fortran |
| 21:34.32 | Patlabor221 | I just renamed our core file to .cpp from .c cus before everyone was scared to do it "becasue we don't know if it will work" |
| 21:34.47 | MrApathyCream | heh, sadly, i know you're not kidding |
| 21:34.50 | Patlabor221 | MAC, and we have arrays of handles |
| 21:35.03 | MrApathyCream | 24bit, or 32 bit? |
| 21:35.04 | Patlabor221 | put some in a STL map the other days |
| 21:35.07 | Patlabor221 | all 32 |
| 21:35.10 | Patlabor221 | thankfully |
| 21:35.12 | MrApathyCream | wow modern! |
| 21:35.22 | Patlabor221 | tho I keep finding uses of short ALL OVER the place |
| 21:35.28 | Patlabor221 | keeps biting us in the ass |
| 21:35.34 | MrApathyCream | HLock's all over the place still? |
| 21:35.49 | Patlabor221 | I remove them when I see them now, but yes |
| 21:35.53 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:35.57 | MrApathyCream | bless you |
| 21:36.06 | Cell | i will be back when my game is doen, see you not so soon loosers! |
| 21:36.07 | *** part/#bzflag Cell (~alton@pD9E5066C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor221 | trMill*WITH; |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor221 | WITH = *hrMill; |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor221 | if( ReverseArc() ) |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor221 | AddCommand( WITH->rArc.rCcwArc ); |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor221 | else |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor221 | AddCommand( WITH->rArc.rCwArc ); |
| 21:36.11 | Patlabor221 | rPostStatus.eMotion = peCwArc; |
| 21:36.19 | Patlabor221 | that some of our P to C crap |
| 21:36.50 | Patlabor221 | ahh here is a good one |
| 21:36.50 | Patlabor221 | static void C_ThreadHeight ( void )// __c261__ |
| 21:36.51 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 21:36.51 | Patlabor221 | doubledThreadHeight; |
| 21:36.51 | Patlabor221 | trLabel*WITH; |
| 21:36.51 | Patlabor221 | trLatheOperation*WITH1; |
| 21:36.53 | Patlabor221 | charSTR2[256], STR3[256]; |
| 21:36.55 | Patlabor221 | HLock( (Ptr *)ahLatheList[iWhichOp] ); |
| 21:36.57 | Patlabor221 | WITH = &(*hrLathe)->rThreading.rThrdHeight; |
| 21:36.59 | Patlabor221 | if( *WITH->sLabel ) |
| 21:37.01 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 21:37.03 | Patlabor221 | WITH1 = *ahLatheList[iWhichOp]; |
| 21:37.04 | Patlabor221 | dThreadHeight = fabs( WITH1->rThread.dThrdStXR - WITH1->dFinXR ); |
| 21:37.06 | Patlabor221 | if( WITH->iUnits == 1 ) |
| 21:37.08 | Patlabor221 | dThreadHeight *= 2; |
| 21:37.10 | Patlabor221 | strcpy( STR2, XScaleFormat( dThreadHeight, arFormats[WITH->iFormat - 1] )); |
| 21:37.13 | Patlabor221 | sprintf( STR3, "%s%s", WITH->sLabel, STR2 ); |
| 21:37.15 | Patlabor221 | Add( STR3 ); |
| 21:37.17 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 21:37.19 | Patlabor221 | HUnlock( (Ptr *)ahLatheList[iWhichOp] ); |
| 21:37.21 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 21:37.24 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:37.33 | MrApathyCream | i put this in BZFlag, see what happens |
| 21:38.07 | Patlabor221 | thankfully I get to remove our huge array of handles next and replace it with a nice class that uses a map |
| 21:38.29 | MrApathyCream | now your talking crazy |
| 21:38.44 | MrApathyCream | does your boss know? |
| 21:39.05 | Patlabor221 | I catualy have permision, I told them I couldn't add the new features they wanted unless I did it, and got the lead dev to back me up :) |
| 21:39.49 | Patlabor221 | so they scheduled it in |
| 21:40.21 | corndawg | man... |
| 21:40.25 | corndawg | hi all |
| 21:40.30 | corndawg | hey MrApathyCream |
| 21:40.35 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 21:40.35 | corndawg | sup Patlabor221 |
| 21:40.38 | Patlabor221 | it was like pulling teeth to make them let me make one of our utiltiys over in a native windows app, and not use our mac API for the interface on it |
| 21:40.55 | corndawg | <---- workin on the bottom half of his new map lol |
| 21:41.06 | corndawg | hopefully this ones gonna be better then the last |
| 21:41.12 | MrApathyCream | corndawg: make that tele harder to get too |
| 21:41.23 | corndawg | yep.... gonna have to MrApathyCream |
| 21:41.38 | corndawg | itll be either a 2 or 3 level map :) |
| 21:41.57 | corndawg | no teleporters in the "basement" lol |
| 21:42.07 | MrApathyCream | Anyone try out the lightning storm map? I don't think it's running at present |
| 21:42.21 | corndawg | not i |
| 21:42.46 | corndawg | bbiab :) |
| 21:44.26 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA] (~[TeA|Zee]@pD9E94E7C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:45.05 | [TeA] | hello |
| 21:45.07 | [TeA] | ~ducati |
| 21:45.12 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 21:47.19 | [TeA] | shi bum shi bum , shalalalalalalalalla , shi bum shi bum |
| 21:49.38 | captain_proton | scanline: poke |
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| 22:39.10 | [TeA] | ~ducati |
| 22:39.13 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 22:40.29 | bzdoug | icky ping |
| 22:43.08 | Patlabor221 | icky icky ping poing zoop |
| 22:43.43 | bzdoug | swarp |
| 22:49.38 | captain_proton | we're throwing out 4 racks worth of equipment (solbourne machines) and replacing them all with a single ultra10 |
| 22:51.35 | bzdoug | SEND THEM TO ME! |
| 22:51.47 | captain_proton | you want a 30U solbourne system? |
| 22:52.03 | bzdoug | sure, I shall ebay it |
| 22:52.23 | bzdoug | :P |
| 22:52.33 | bzdoug | what IS a 30U sysem? |
| 22:52.36 | captain_proton | ok, i can probably arrange it if you pay shipping |
| 22:52.44 | captain_proton | a U (unit) is a measurement in a rack |
| 22:53.03 | captain_proton | 30U is about 45 inches tall |
| 22:53.08 | captain_proton | 19 inches wide |
| 22:55.55 | Secret_Hamster | learn aabout networking boyo |
| 22:56.23 | Patlabor221 | doug never learns |
| 22:56.27 | captain_proton | i think the solbournes run on 10BaseT though |
| 22:56.39 | captain_proton | pretty sure we got rid of all the 5BaseT stuff a few months ago |
| 22:58.37 | [TeA] | ~ducati |
| 22:58.40 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 22:59.07 | Secret_Hamster | 5baseT? |
| 22:59.17 | Patlabor221 | thinnet? |
| 22:59.21 | Secret_Hamster | do you mean 10Base5 i.e thicknet |
| 22:59.34 | Secret_Hamster | no thin net was 10base2 |
| 23:00.02 | captain_proton | 5BaseT was the first real ethernet |
| 23:03.52 | [TeA] | secret hamster |
| 23:03.57 | [TeA] | i saw the ship now |
| 23:03.58 | [TeA] | lol |
| 23:04.16 | Secret_Hamster | oh good actaully the servers not on is it |
| 23:05.18 | Secret_Hamster | it's running now |
| 23:28.12 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
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| 23:31.51 | Nidhoggr | one good thing about running a 2 shot server, you get less total lamers on it. |
| 23:32.26 | [TeA] | lol |
| 23:33.06 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:33.24 | Nidhoggr | I wanna turn megadome into a CTF map. |
| 23:34.12 | Nidhoggr | it's perfect for it.. symetry, etc. |
| 23:34.48 | Patlabor221 | who says CTF has to be symetrical? |
| 23:34.53 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 23:35.08 | Nidhoggr | I just like a symetrical CTF map, cuz it tends to seem more fair. |
| 23:35.13 | Nidhoggr | just a preference |
| 23:35.33 | Patlabor221 | it's easyer to make a symetrical CTF map |
| 23:35.45 | Patlabor221 | but a good map designer can make it fair |
| 23:35.49 | Patlabor221 | no mater what |
| 23:35.49 | Nidhoggr | I like the new helix map for CTF, but there are some bugs with hiding flags that make them impossible to retrieve. |
| 23:35.54 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:35.55 | Patlabor221 | just takes playballance |
| 23:37.13 | Nidhoggr | it's also a map that doesn't hold up under a lot of players :) |
| 23:38.26 | Patlabor221 | ok it's food time |
| 23:38.31 | Patlabor221 | like seriously |
| 23:39.26 | Nidhoggr | need food, too... at work.. gotta wait for someone to bring me food, since I am only one here presently. |
| 23:42.48 | Patlabor221 | and you can't leave? |
| 23:44.08 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 23:44.15 | Patlabor221 | why no? |
| 23:44.29 | Nidhoggr | someone will be in soonish, but I am only one here on sun-mon nites. |
| 23:44.36 | Nidhoggr | evil company :) |
| 23:44.42 | Patlabor221 | what do you do? |
| 23:44.49 | Nidhoggr | system administrator |
| 23:45.12 | Patlabor221 | so what the systems won't stay up if you leave your desk to get a burger? |
| 23:45.14 | Nidhoggr | for wholesale internet provider (colo and shared web servers) |
| 23:45.42 | Nidhoggr | their only method of monitoring is in the office, and no paging, because they are cheap bastards. |
| 23:46.02 | Nidhoggr | so they actually have food truck come by on weekdays. |
| 23:46.08 | Nidhoggr | so we don't have to go out for food. |
| 23:46.17 | Nidhoggr | they buy the food, but you have to eat it at your desk] |
| 23:46.18 | Patlabor221 | but still how far a way is a macdonals? |
| 23:46.30 | Nidhoggr | nearest fast food place is 1/2 mile (BK) |
| 23:46.41 | Patlabor221 | there and back in 10 min |
| 23:46.44 | Nidhoggr | they have 2 webcams in office to keep people honest. |
| 23:47.05 | Patlabor221 | I think you need a cardboard cutout of you |
| 23:47.15 | Nidhoggr | nod... when other guy gets here, I can go out for a few to get food, but on my days when I am only one here, they don't let me leave |
| 23:47.17 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 23:47.43 | Patlabor221 | or hell you are a sys admin you should be able to see where the webcam is taking its pictures |
| 23:47.46 | Patlabor221 | and make it show old ones |
| 23:47.47 | Nidhoggr | I am working on migrating to a different job.. opening own business, but waiting for stuff to get hooked up. |
| 23:48.07 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 23:48.10 | Nidhoggr | the box with the webcams is locked down and not accessable by us. |
| 23:48.30 | Patlabor221 | who monitors the cams? |
| 23:48.43 | Nidhoggr | supervisors... it keeps 3 days of cams on disk. |
| 23:48.58 | Patlabor221 | how anal can you get |
| 23:49.02 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:49.08 | Nidhoggr | that's why I am working on getting out. :) |
| 23:49.15 | Patlabor221 | order a pizza |
| 23:49.20 | Nidhoggr | I was making almost 80K as an admin with global crossing. |
| 23:49.34 | Nidhoggr | now I'm making 27, cuz the market sucks so bad. |
| 23:49.34 | Patlabor221 | we use globalcrossing |
| 23:49.46 | Patlabor221 | and man do they suck |
| 23:49.46 | Nidhoggr | nod.. my new project uses GX for bandwidth. |
| 23:50.02 | Nidhoggr | fortunately, I don't have to deal with them much. |
| 23:50.16 | Patlabor221 | our IS dept keeps trying to get all anal |
| 23:50.22 | Patlabor221 | but I just circumvent them |
| 23:50.49 | Nidhoggr | I've worked out a pretty cool business model... support people use thin clients, instead of windows pc |
| 23:50.59 | Patlabor221 | and one of the dumb bastards is quiting so it will be easyer |
| 23:51.04 | Nidhoggr | central server is unix (linux or freebsd) |
| 23:51.04 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:51.11 | Nidhoggr | no virus control to worry about |
| 23:51.23 | Nidhoggr | if someone is broken, IT people can fix over net. |
| 23:51.33 | Nidhoggr | no one to forget to defrag |
| 23:51.40 | Nidhoggr | one place to upgrade apps |
| 23:52.07 | Patlabor221 | and one server to break and take everyone down |
| 23:52.09 | Nidhoggr | no one is gunna install thenewestappoffthenet on their PC |
| 23:52.20 | Nidhoggr | nah... we'll have backup stuff. |
| 23:52.28 | Nidhoggr | raid, and mirroring both. |
| 23:52.46 | Patlabor221 | I can see how it's feasable for some people |
| 23:52.58 | Nidhoggr | there is a city in florida doing this. |
| 23:53.10 | Nidhoggr | they are saving millions on IT stuff, and it all runs very smoothly. |
| 23:53.28 | Nidhoggr | instead of spending 3-5% of their city budget on IT, they are spending 1.3% |
| 23:53.37 | Nidhoggr | it's a well thought out model. |
| 23:53.47 | Nidhoggr | thin clients are dirt cheap if you can find them used. |
| 23:53.50 | Patlabor221 | for large scale stuff like city services I can see that |
| 23:54.07 | Nidhoggr | I've worked for a bunch of companies doing support of a product. |
| 23:54.13 | Patlabor221 | we are just a small development company |
| 23:54.20 | Nidhoggr | biggest problem is people screwing up their own desktops. |
| 23:54.23 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 23:54.31 | Nidhoggr | that would require individual machines. |
| 23:54.36 | Nidhoggr | that's justified, at least. |
| 23:54.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:54.50 | Nidhoggr | for a support staff, no need for that. |
| 23:55.00 | Patlabor221 | we just pull the cds and stuff outa the stupid people's machiens :) |
| 23:55.07 | Nidhoggr | they just access a tracking/ticket software and they can use GAIM for instant messaging, etc. |
| 23:55.39 | Patlabor221 | our support people need to access customer files and run our software |
| 23:55.49 | Patlabor221 | in all it's ugly ass glory |
| 23:56.09 | Nidhoggr | in this case, we'd support colo stuff.. so they could get by with rdesktop for windows servers, and ssh for unix. |
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| 23:56.13 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 23:56.15 | Patlabor221 | plus a number of developers need macs and PCs |
| 23:56.27 | Nidhoggr | I want a big SGI on my desk :) |
| 23:56.55 | Patlabor221 | our software does not play nice with remote desktops |
| 23:56.58 | Nidhoggr | it can even be a few years old. |
| 23:57.06 | Patlabor221 | hell it barely plays nice with windows |
| 23:57.08 | Nidhoggr | what sort of software? |
| 23:57.10 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 23:57.15 | Patlabor221 | and uses an ASSLOAD of resources |
| 23:57.19 | Patlabor221 | CAD/CAM |
| 23:57.47 | Nidhoggr | most of the time, my support folks will just be rebooting servers... not much OS work... and dns and stuff like that for customers. |
| 23:57.53 | Patlabor221 | I've seen 2 gig part files that we have to load into ram |
| 23:57.59 | Nidhoggr | wow |
| 23:58.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's not allways prety |
| 23:58.42 | Patlabor221 | but when people try to load a solid model of a shuttle engine, well it gets big |
| 23:59.09 | Nidhoggr | I like my line of work.. I was first internet support person in arizona in 1993, and really like it. |
| 23:59.26 | Nidhoggr | unix admin is fun, and so is routing and working with networking. |
| 23:59.41 | Nidhoggr | I guess... cad stuff always fascinated me. |
| 23:59.48 | Nidhoggr | last time I used cad was autocad 12 |
| 23:59.56 | Nidhoggr | it's been a while. |
