irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030116

`00:12.23`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh 13 more ports of 100 base t goodness under my desk`
`00:25.25`	`*** join/#bzflag KnightMare (1000@ip68-107-165-224.lu.dl.cox.net)`
`00:30.39`	`TimRiker`	`http://rikers.org:81/ <- me can't seem to get the iptables forward rule right.`
`00:32.47`	`Patlabor221`	`takes me to a page, but no immage`
`00:38.25`	`TimRiker`	`yeah? hmm.`
`00:38.35`	`TimRiker`	`http://rikers.org:81/view/view.shtml same?`
`00:38.46`	`TimRiker`	`javascript on?`
`00:44.58`	`Patlabor221`	`it seems to be loading some applet now`
`00:45.19`	`Patlabor221`	`or thinking about it`
`00:45.44`	`Patlabor221`	`there it foes`
`00:45.50`	`Patlabor221`	`very dark there`
`00:46.13`	`Patlabor221`	`nice air message clock thingy :)`
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`01:34.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`erg, cvs is down, it would appear`
`01:35.23`	`TimRiker`	`anonymous cvs is down. ssh cvs should still be up.`
`01:35.23`	`Patlabor221`	`what does the cam show right now?`
`01:35.37`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/webcam.html`
`01:35.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: I like the fire coming out of the missile`
`01:35.51`	`TimRiker`	`some x man`
`01:35.58`	`Patlabor221`	`who the heck..`
`01:36.00`	`TimRiker`	`http://rikers.org:81/view/view.shtml`
`01:36.04`	`Patlabor221`	`shigh`
`01:36.10`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: light was off for dinner. ;-)`
`01:36.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: Yes, thanks, you are right`
`01:36.39`	`Patlabor221`	`leve it to the co-workers to mess with the cam`
`01:37.06`	`Patlabor221`	`MAC I've been making UVs for the model but the tools are ticking me off`
`01:38.47`	`Patlabor221`	`I realy want a nice UVMaper like NST but for more then just 1 game format`
`01:38.56`	`Patlabor221`	`have to write one eventualy`
`01:39.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`UVMap for textures?`
`01:39.16`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`01:39.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`mmm`
`01:39.25`	`Patlabor221`	`nst had the best interface`
`01:39.33`	`Patlabor221`	`but only works for Q2 and UT models`
`01:39.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and lacks some of the tools that I liked in milkshape`
`01:39.56`	`Patlabor221`	`but milkshape don't let you map from any 3d view`
`01:40.19`	`Patlabor221`	`and the version of lightwave I have dosn't export UVS`
`01:41.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`-- i wish one could set debug/release target from project context menu`
`01:41.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`(in vc)`
`01:41.47`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be nice`
`01:42.27`	`Patlabor221`	`wonder if VC 7 has that`
`01:42.55`	`Patlabor221`	`nope`
`01:43.05`	`Patlabor221`	`tho you can execute from the context menu`
`01:43.13`	`Patlabor221`	`ether as a new instance or atach to a running`
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`01:45.41`	`jraitala`	`hello`
`01:48.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`hi`
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`02:01.35`	`bzdoug__`	`~country .ca`
`02:01.37`		`i heard country .ca is canada`
`02:01.41`	`bzdoug__`	`kewl`
`02:02.10`	`bzdoug__`	`is KDE a window manger?`
`02:02.15`	`bzdoug__`	`manager`
`02:03.04`	`bzdoug__`	`well?`
`02:03.07`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`02:03.10`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`02:03.14`	`bzdoug__`	`then whats TWM?`
`02:03.15`	`Patlabor221`	`sorta`
`02:03.27`	`Patlabor221`	`kde is a desktop`
`02:03.32`	`bzdoug__`	`ah`
`02:03.34`	`Patlabor221`	`it can use window managers`
`02:03.37`	`Patlabor221`	`and it comes with some`
`02:03.39`	`Patlabor221`	`I think`
`02:03.42`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`02:04.44`	`bzdoug__`	`how do I change it?`
`02:05.16`	`Patlabor221`	`KDE has a controll panel that lets you set the theme, and the window stuff`
`02:05.23`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`02:05.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I think I use sawfish`
`02:05.35`	`bzdoug__`	`I am looking at it, but I dont see any thing`
`02:05.40`	`bzdoug__`	`maybe its diferent`
`02:06.14`	`bzdoug__`	`?`
`02:06.17`	`Patlabor221`	`well there went all the UVs`
`02:06.22`	`Patlabor221`	`was on the last triangle too`
`02:09.37`	`Patlabor221`	`or I'll have to go and get EnigmaEdit out shudder`
`02:09.49`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`02:10.12`	`Patlabor221`	`it would be scary`
`02:10.19`	`bzdoug__`	`close your eyes`
`02:10.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I'd have to make it read and write OBJ`
`02:10.39`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`02:10.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and groups`
`02:10.52`	`bzdoug__`	`yay`
`02:11.00`	`bzdoug__`	`it wont let 2 window managers run at the same time`
`02:11.06`	`Patlabor221`	`duh`
`02:11.10`	`bzdoug__`	`so I had to quit TWM and restart KDE`
`02:11.14`	`bzdoug__`	`well....`
`02:11.32`	`Patlabor221`	`how would it know what windows to make using what manager?`
`02:12.08`	`Patlabor221`	`you realy have no clue how it all works do you?`
`02:12.17`	`bzdoug__`	`yes`
`02:12.26`	`bzdoug__`	`but I couldnt get to the TWM thingy`
`02:13.29`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`02:15.41`	`Patlabor221`	`last card I had that took power sucked`
`02:16.11`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
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`02:16.43`	`Patlabor221`	`voodoo 5`
`02:16.51`	`Patlabor221`	`wellp time to get to job 2`
`02:17.08`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
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`02:23.39`	`bzdoug__`	`~country .sg`
`02:23.41`		`[country .sg] singapore`
`02:23.44`	`bzdoug__`	`cool`
`02:23.50`	`bzdoug__`	`good luck`
`02:35.51`	`bzdoug__`	`ouch`
`02:36.13`	`bzdoug__`	`on the mac that would be a) loose mouse b) something is terribly wrong`
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`02:43.25`	`*** join/#bzflag Patalbor221 (~jeffm@dsl-65-184-174-217.telocity.com)`
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`02:44.02`	`bzdoug__`	`yo Patalbor221`
`02:45.48`	`Patalbor221`	`sub`
`02:45.52`	`Patalbor221`	`sup`
`02:46.02`	`Patalbor221`	`my new mobo is NIIIIIICCCCEEEEEE`
`02:46.03`	`bzdoug__`	`sky`
`02:46.06`	`bzdoug__`	`eh?`
`02:46.09`	`bzdoug__`	`USB 2?`
`02:46.15`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`02:46.15`	`Patalbor221`	`ohh yeah`
`02:46.20`	`bzdoug__`	`firewire?`
`02:46.26`	`Patalbor221`	`via KT400 chipset`
`02:46.31`	`bzdoug__`	`hm`
`02:46.33`	`Patalbor221`	`no, no need for firewire`
`02:46.38`	`bzdoug__`	`bah`
`02:46.42`	`Patalbor221`	`AGP 8x`
`02:46.49`	`Patalbor221`	`I have no firewire devices`
`02:47.09`	`bzdoug__`	`heh`
`02:47.58`	`Patalbor221`	`bluetooth`
`02:48.05`	`bzdoug__`	`ooooh`
`02:48.08`	`bzdoug__`	`sweeeet`
`02:48.12`	`Patalbor221`	`5.1 spdif aucio in and out`
`02:48.20`	`bzdoug__`	`Sliiiiick!`
`02:48.36`	`Patalbor221`	`and up to 200mhz FSB`
`02:48.42`	`Patalbor221`	`and a REAL 200 mhz`
`02:48.45`	`bzdoug__`	`wow`
`02:48.48`	`Patalbor221`	`ddred up to 400`
`02:49.29`	`bzdoug__`	`how much ram?`
`02:49.32`	`bzdoug__`	`3 gigs?`
`02:49.36`	`bzdoug__`	`total`
`02:49.39`	`bzdoug__`	`maxed out`
`02:49.47`	`bzdoug__`	`how many slots?`
`02:51.35`	`Patalbor221`	`6PCI 1 agp`
`02:51.45`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah 3 ddr dimms`
`02:51.54`	`Patalbor221`	`and ATA133`
`02:51.58`	`bzdoug__`	`woo`
`02:52.04`	`bzdoug__`	`raid?`
`02:52.09`	`Patalbor221`	`naw`
`02:52.11`	`bzdoug__`	`hm`
`02:52.14`	`Patalbor221`	`no need for raid`
`02:52.18`	`bzdoug__`	`ethernet?`
`02:52.22`	`Patalbor221`	`ya`
`02:52.27`	`bzdoug__`	`kewl`
`02:52.32`	`bzdoug__`	`how much?`
`02:52.36`	`Patalbor221`	`proalbly shouln't put a duron in it`
`02:52.43`	`Patalbor221`	`I dono something like $70`
`02:52.45`	`bzdoug__`	`and what chip is gonna go on it`
`02:52.59`	`Patalbor221`	`haven't decided yet`
`02:52.59`	`bzdoug__`	`2200+ XP?`
`02:53.01`	`bzdoug__`	`:)`
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`02:53.08`	`test`	`:)`
`02:53.08`	`bzdoug__`	`GAH!`
`02:53.10`	`test`	`:-)`
`02:53.11`	`bzdoug__`	`who are you test!`
`02:53.15`	`Patalbor221`	`have ether an 1900, 1n 1800 or adurron`
`02:53.21`	`bzdoug__`	`stop hopping around`
`02:53.24`	`test`	`Dutchrai, testing a new Webbased IRC client`
`02:53.29`	`test`	`nSince IRCnet is down :-)`
`02:53.33`	`bzdoug__`	`test: hmm`
`02:53.35`	`test`	`Wanna use that on ShellShock`
`02:53.37`	`bzdoug__`	`test: link?`
`02:53.40`	`bzdoug__`	`test: cool`
`02:53.46`	`test`	`Jzaun could use it too`
`02:53.49`	`bzdoug__`	`yea`
`02:53.55`	`Patalbor221`	`ircnet isn't down, it's just pulled it's web stuff`
`02:53.56`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: ick, duron`
`02:53.59`	`test`	`Will let him know`
`02:54.03`	`bzdoug__`	`test: k`
`02:54.07`	`test`	`oh..yes..tx for the correction :)`
`02:54.08`	`bzdoug__`	`test: whats it called?`
`02:54.19`	`test`	`irc.cgi`
`02:54.24`	`bzdoug__`	`oh`
`02:54.33`	`test`	`in essence the same code, diffenrece is that I host it myself now`
`02:54.35`	`bzdoug__`	`same thing as chatnet`
`02:54.38`	`bzdoug__`	`ah`
`02:54.39`	`test`	`yup`
`02:54.45`	`bzdoug__`	`and hopping around the world?`
`02:54.48`	`bzdoug__`	`lemme see`
`02:54.52`	`bzdoug__`	`singapore`
`02:54.53`	`test`	`just making it secure now so it only can connect to this channel`
`02:54.54`	`bzdoug__`	`canada`
`02:54.58`	`test`	`correct..hehe`
`02:55.01`	`test`	`singapore`
`02:55.01`	`bzdoug__`	`:)`
`02:55.07`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`02:55.13`	`bzdoug__`	`you have servers all over the place?`
`02:55.14`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`02:55.22`	`test`	`no..only here (singapore)`
`02:55.25`	`test`	`its where I am`
`02:55.34`	`bzdoug__`	`ahh`
`02:55.36`	`test`	`but as you can see the server is fast enough...lol`
`02:55.39`	`bzdoug__`	`where was canada`
`02:55.40`	`bzdoug__`	`yea`
`02:55.48`	`bzdoug__`	`chat.net was laggy`
`02:55.53`	`test`	`it was`
`02:55.58`	`test`	`this one zips..`
`02:56.11`	`Patalbor221`	`well it had a fabazion people on it running flood bots`
`02:56.22`	`test`	`lol...that does no good`
`02:56.28`	`bzdoug__`	`hhehe`
`02:56.32`	`test`	`ok..gotta tweak some more`
`02:56.34`	`bzdoug__`	`k`
`02:56.44`	`test`	`probably see TEST flash on and off here and there today :)`
`02:56.49`	`bzdoug__`	`heh`
`02:56.53`	`test`	`later guys`
`02:56.58`	`Patalbor221`	`how lucky, this radeon suports AGP 8X too`
`02:57.11`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: hah`
`02:57.23`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: I wonder how many FPS you will get with bzflag`
`02:57.27`	`Patalbor221`	`60`
`02:57.32`	`Patalbor221`	`maybe 75`
`02:58.00`	`Patalbor221`	`I mean on durrons with GF2MX I would get 35-40`
`02:58.34`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`02:58.41`	`bzdoug__`	`I get 60`
`02:58.43`	`bzdoug__`	`over`
`03:00.34`	`Patalbor221`	`at what rez?`
`03:01.03`	`Patalbor221`	`you can't get over your refesch`
`03:01.05`	`bzdoug__`	`1028x?`
`03:01.12`	`Patalbor221`	`whuz`
`03:01.17`	`bzdoug__`	`I have 200hz`
`03:01.18`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`03:01.19`	`Patalbor221`	`1600 all the way`
`03:01.30`	`jacques`	`ww 200Hz nice`
`03:01.33`	`Patalbor221`	`your monitor, nor your card can do 1024 at 200`
`03:01.38`	`Patalbor221`	`it would explode`
`03:01.41`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`03:01.45`	`bzdoug__`	`it at it`
`03:01.52`	`Patalbor221`	`75 is my bet`
`03:02.21`	`jacques`	`i thought some of the new monitors could do 200 at 6x4`
`03:02.21`	`bzdoug__`	`no`
`03:02.21`	`bzdoug__`	`its pretty hifh`
`03:02.21`	`bzdoug__`	`high`
`03:02.21`	`bzdoug__`	`200`
`03:02.30`	`bzdoug__`	`I can see the screen wobble sorta`
`03:02.33`	`Patalbor221`	`then show me a screen shot of the windows display pannel`
`03:02.41`	`Patalbor221`	`with the 200`
`03:02.51`	`bzdoug__`	`ok doke`
`03:02.55`	`Patalbor221`	`most I've seen is 120 at 640`
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`03:04.14`	`bzdoug__`	`http://heck.no-ip.com/hertz.JPG`
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`03:04.50`	`Patalbor221`	`what the hell kinda montitor is it?`
`03:04.54`	`bzdoug__`	`apple`
`03:04.58`	`Patalbor221`	`what one?`
`03:05.01`	`bzdoug__`	`has the pretty apple logo on the front`
`03:05.05`	`bzdoug__`	`17 inch`
`03:05.09`	`Patalbor221`	`model #`
`03:05.18`	`bzdoug__`	`cant find the model number online..`
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`03:05.37`	`Patalbor221`	`the ramdac on the MX should not be able to keep that up`
`03:05.56`	`Patalbor221`	`it only runs at 240`
`03:06.10`	`Patalbor221`	`and your H rate is way higher then that at 200 vert`
`03:06.14`	`jacques`	`apple monitor on a windows system ?`
`03:06.19`	`bzdoug__`	`1705`
`03:06.30`	`Patalbor221`	`sure they are all just analog montitors`
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`03:06.47`	`Patalbor221`	`must be a jacked ini file or a bad PNP report`
`03:06.53`	`jacques`	`did you have to use an adaptor ?`
`03:07.11`	`bzdoug__`	`1705`
`03:07.23`	`bzdoug__`	`no`
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`03:07.32`	`bzdoug__`	`no adapotor`
`03:07.36`	`Patalbor221`	`turn off all the textures and shadows and stuff and see how high bz goes at 640 on a simple world`
`03:07.50`	`bzdoug__`	`k`
`03:09.13`	`bzdoug__`	`39`
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`03:09.28`	`Patalbor221`	`that's not 60`
`03:09.36`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`03:09.39`	`bzdoug__`	`its wierd`
`03:09.42`	`bzdoug__`	`at low colors`
`03:09.49`	`bzdoug__`	`it get really slow`
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`03:10.25`	`Patalbor221`	`no ether 16 bit or 32 bit`
`03:10.34`	`Patalbor221`	`32 should be best for your card`
`03:10.37`	`bzdoug__`	`huh`
`03:10.45`	`Patalbor221`	`don't run 8 bit`
`03:10.49`	`bzdoug__`	`now it wont let me switch back`
`03:10.55`	`Patalbor221`	`it will run slower then 16 or 32`
`03:10.59`	`bzdoug__`	`had this problem before with 2000`
`03:12.04`	`Patalbor221`	`apple says at 1024 the max refresh for your monitor part# M4434LL is 74.93 hz`
`03:12.15`	`bzdoug__`	`dats better`
`03:12.18`	`bzdoug__`	`75`
`03:12.23`	`bzdoug__`	`let me turn off V-sync`
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`03:12.32`	`Patalbor221`	`the card is optimized for not 8 bit`
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`03:12.52`	`bzdoug__`	`yea`
`03:12.55`	`Patalbor221`	`your monitor is not runing at 200 it just reports that it is, it's running at 75`
`03:13.05`	`Patalbor221`	`hence why you cap at 75`
`03:13.26`	`Patalbor221`	`there is your info`
`03:13.27`	`Patalbor221`	`http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=15879&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2F%2Fkbase.info.apple.com%2Fcgi-bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCToHomePage&searchMode=Assisted&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&randomValue=100&showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous\|162065981`
`03:13.48`	`bzdoug__`	`over 200 FPS`
`03:14.09`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah at not textures the card will fly on a simple map`
`03:14.20`	`Patalbor221`	`now load one of your insane maps`
`03:14.21`	`bzdoug__`	`no`
`03:14.26`	`bzdoug__`	`with texures`
`03:14.29`	`bzdoug__`	`and high`
`03:14.30`	`Patalbor221`	`shadows?`
`03:14.32`	`bzdoug__`	`yup`
`03:14.35`	`bzdoug__`	`on decks`
`03:14.42`	`bzdoug__`	`and if I take it all off`
`03:14.43`	`Patalbor221`	`that's not a bad map`
`03:14.46`	`bzdoug__`	`it lowers the FPS`
`03:15.20`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah bz does too many state changes when you turn stuff off.`
`03:15.36`	`bzdoug__`	`ah`
`03:16.01`	`bzdoug__`	`bah`
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`03:17.32`	`Dutchrai2`	`smilie text-to-graphics conversion test: :-)`
`03:17.39`	`Dutchrai2`	`:)`
`03:18.23`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`03:18.25`	`bzdoug__`	`:D`
`03:18.27`	`bzdoug__`	`:O`
`03:18.31`	`bzdoug__`	`=)`
`03:18.34`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`03:20.07`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`03:20.10`	`bzdoug__`	`=:-}`
`03:20.13`	`Patalbor221`	`(_\|_)`
`03:20.14`	`bzdoug__`	`8-X`
`03:20.19`	`bzdoug__`	`(pig)`
`03:20.22`	`bzdoug__`	`3:-0`
`03:20.32`	`Patalbor221`	`stop using trillian`
`03:20.36`	`Dutchrai2`	`sorry bzdoug...just testing it for the webbased client`
`03:20.41`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`03:20.44`	`bzdoug__`	`why?`
`03:20.55`	`bzdoug__`	`its got all the coolest ones`
`03:20.57`	`bzdoug__`	`X'D`
`03:20.58`	`Dutchrai2`	`cause its cool if you type :-) and you see an image instead`
`03:21.14`	`bzdoug__`	`trillian even has sounds`
`03:21.16`	`bzdoug__`	`yea`
`03:21.25`	`Patalbor221`	`yes it does`
`03:21.26`	`Dutchrai2`	`brb`
`03:21.36`	`Patalbor221`	`but it won't go on the farking second monitor`
`03:21.37`	`Patalbor221`	`so it sucks`
`03:21.40`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`03:21.42`	`bzdoug__`	`fix it`
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`03:21.52`	`dutchrai`	`:)`
`03:21.56`	`dutchrai`	`:-)`
`03:22.00`	`dutchrai`	`darn..still not working`
`03:22.00`	`bzdoug__`	`:O`
`03:22.03`	`Patalbor221`	`why should I have to fix something that they should have in there from the begining`
`03:22.09`	`Patalbor221`	`MIRC works on the second monitor`
`03:22.15`	`bzdoug__`	`cuz mirc is lame`
`03:22.16`	`Patalbor221`	`X-Chat sorta does`
`03:22.19`	`Patalbor221`	`it works`
`03:22.23`	`Patalbor221`	`what is lame about it?`
`03:22.25`	`Patalbor221`	`I'm not an op`
`03:22.29`	`Patalbor221`	`I don't run bots`
`03:22.39`	`Patalbor221`	`I don't use macros to slap people with fish`
`03:22.44`	`bzdoug__`	`trillian has IRC/AOL/MSN/yahoo/ICQ`
`03:22.50`	`Patalbor221`	`and I'm not on a bazilion channels saying "kewl"`
`03:22.55`	`Patalbor221`	`I know what trillian has`
`03:22.57`	`*** join/#bzflag dutchrai2 (~ca9c0222@203.194.240.139)`
`03:23.00`	`dutchrai2`	`:-)`
`03:23.00`	`bzdoug__`	`I am on one single channel`
`03:23.05`	`dutchrai2`	`:)`
`03:23.12`	`Patalbor221`	`and I have one AIM address`
`03:23.17`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`03:23.21`	`bzdoug__`	`yea?`
`03:23.33`	`bzdoug__`	`well I NEED trillian for all my user accounts`
`03:23.33`	`Patalbor221`	`and no need for ICQ anymore`
`03:23.45`	`Patalbor221`	`the only person I talked to on it ,won't be using it.`
`03:24.56`	`Patalbor221`	`I have no need for a name on every service know to man.`
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`03:25.32`	`dutchrai`	`:)`
`03:25.33`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`03:26.15`	`*** join/#bzflag dutchrai2 (~ca9c0222@203.194.240.139)`
`03:26.23`	`dutchrai2`	`:-)`
`03:27.29`	`*** join/#bzflag dutchrai (~ca9c0222@203.194.240.139)`
`03:27.53`	`Patalbor221`	`crap monitor won't do 1920x1440, what crap`
`03:27.54`	`dutchrai`	`Terribly sorry about all this testing with smilies and such, but the good news is you can now use IRC chat again from the Web if you go to Shell Shock`
`03:28.25`	`dutchrai`	`Will send an email to jzaun so he can update his site too`
`03:28.40`	`Patalbor221`	`ahh ther we go 2048x1536`
`03:29.54`	`Patalbor221`	`but only at 60, crud`
`03:29.56`	`bzdoug__`	`ugh`
`03:29.59`	`bzdoug__`	`60 hz?`
`03:30.05`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah`
`03:30.31`	`Patalbor221`	`190x1440 at 70 is livable`
`03:31.09`	`Patalbor221`	`and second monitor at 1600x1200`
`03:31.18`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`03:31.21`	`bzdoug__`	`screen shot?`
`03:31.21`	`bzdoug__`	`er`
`03:31.22`	`bzdoug__`	`no`
`03:31.26`	`bzdoug__`	`would be a few megs.....`
`03:34.28`	`Patalbor221`	`naw`
`03:34.33`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`03:34.37`	`Patalbor221`	`PNG would make it`
`03:34.44`	`bzdoug__`	`heh`
`03:35.27`	`bzdoug__`	`Total(USD):`
`03:35.27`	`bzdoug__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:39.17`	`Patalbor221`	`just a 1.23meg PNG`
`03:41.03`	`Patalbor221`	`and a 3520x1536 image size`
`03:41.14`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`03:44.38`	`*** join/#bzflag dutchrai (~ca9c0222@203.194.240.139)`
`03:51.14`	`Patalbor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/itsabig.png`
`03:52.03`	`bzdoug__`	`buddie elfneedfoodbadly?`
`03:53.43`	`dutchrai`	`lol..there is this cool site that converts your name into either Hobbit or Elf names`
`03:53.50`	`dutchrai`	`my Hobbit name is Marroc Hamwich of Buckleberry Fern`
`03:54.04`	`dutchrai`	`http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/`
`03:54.14`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`03:54.20`	`dutchrai`	`Just for the LotR nutcases amongst us`
`03:54.47`	`bzdoug__`	`Mungo Sandybanks of Frogmorton`
`03:54.51`	`Patalbor221`	`doug you knew my AIM name before`
`03:54.53`	`dutchrai`	`Mwahahah!`
`03:55.00`	`bzdoug__`	`I did?`
`03:55.03`	`bzdoug__`	`thats your?`
`03:55.04`	`dutchrai`	`Mungo...oh my`
`03:55.05`	`bzdoug__`	`s?`
`03:55.06`	`Patalbor221`	`Pimpernel Tighfield of Tookbank`
`03:55.11`	`dutchrai`	`:)`
`03:55.13`	`bzdoug__`	`ok, tim rikers?`
`03:55.14`	`bzdoug__`	`Fosco Knotwise of Whitfurrows`
`03:55.19`	`dutchrai`	`hehe...`
`03:55.35`	`Patalbor221`	`you can just call me "Pimpin" for short`
`03:55.40`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`03:56.24`	`Patalbor221`	`now If I could jsut get both screens that size`
`03:56.31`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`03:56.34`	`bzdoug__`	`that would be slick`
`03:56.37`	`Patalbor221`	`seriously`
`03:56.43`	`Patalbor221`	`the other 21 has problems`
`03:56.49`	`Patalbor221`	`makes me sad`
`03:57.36`	`Patalbor221`	`just left with this sony, and a cheap ass gateway VX900`
`03:57.44`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`03:58.20`	`bzdoug__`	`protonio's name?`
`03:58.24`	`bzdoug__`	`its short`
`03:58.25`	`bzdoug__`	`Drogo Chubb`
`03:58.47`	`bzdoug__`	`Celebrimbor Telemnar`
`03:59.37`	`dutchrai`	`Mmm..another Mungo....if you check on Dervish Dukot`
`03:59.38`	`dutchrai`	`Mungo Underhill of Frogmorton`
`03:59.47`	`*** join/#bzflag paul (~paul@hibernia.jakma.org)`
`04:00.20`	`dutchrai`	`hi`
`04:00.30`	`bzdoug__`	`ih!`
`04:00.32`	`dutchrai`	`just checking our Hobbit names`
`04:00.50`	`dutchrai`	`http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/`
`04:00.52`	`Patalbor221`	`"pimpin" is in the hizzzouse`
`04:00.58`	`dutchrai`	`hehe`
`04:01.54`	`dutchrai`	`jzaun...send you an email with some info to get your webbased IRC chat back`
`04:02.08`	`jzaun`	`just got it`
`04:02.09`	`bzdoug__`	`hahahhahaaha`
`04:02.11`	`dutchrai`	`ok`
`04:02.12`	`jzaun`	`gonna change it now`
`04:02.13`	`jzaun`	`thanks`
`04:02.14`	`bzdoug__`	`bill gates?`
`04:02.15`	`dutchrai`	`:)`
`04:02.19`	`bzdoug__`	`Todo Grubb of Little Delving`
`04:02.38`	`dutchrai`	`Todo Grubb of Little Delving`
`04:02.40`	`dutchrai`	`lol`
`04:02.41`	`bzdoug__`	`george bush?`
`04:02.43`	`bzdoug__`	`Ponto Chubb-Baggins`
`04:02.45`	`dutchrai`	`oh no!`
`04:02.49`	`Patalbor221`	`little delving is a nice place`
`04:02.59`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: tis indeed`
`04:03.55`	`*** join/#bzflag jztest (~cdc9182c@203.194.240.139)`
`04:04.02`	`bzdoug__`	`woo`
`04:04.02`	`jztest`	`s :-)`
`04:04.04`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:04.05`	`bzdoug__`	`:O`
`04:04.05`	`dutchrai`	`Saddam Hussein...`
`04:04.07`	`dutchrai`	`Bungo Sandybanks of Frogmorton`
`04:04.14`	`jztest`	`err... works :-)`
`04:04.23`	`dutchrai`	`cool!`
`04:04.26`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`04:04.44`	`bzdoug__`	`he lives at the same place as I do!`
`04:04.54`	`bzdoug__`	`whats jzauns name?`
`04:05.12`	`jzaun`	`bzdoug__: IRL?`
`04:05.19`	`bzdoug__`	`IRL?`
`04:05.21`	`bzdoug__`	`~IRL?`
`04:05.23`	`dutchrai`	`Olo Knotwise of Michel Delving`
`04:05.26`	`jzaun`	`In Real Life`
`04:05.26`	`dutchrai`	`For jzaun`
`04:05.30`	`Patalbor221`	`you donkt know that doug?`
`04:05.34`	`bzdoug__`	`jzaun: yea`
`04:05.34`	`Patalbor221`	`jeeeezzzzz`
`04:05.39`	`Patalbor221`	`dont' tell him`
`04:05.40`	`jzaun`	`Justin Geo Zaun`
`04:05.45`	`bzdoug__`	`I dont have a real life`
`04:05.45`	`jzaun`	`too late...`
`04:05.49`	`Patalbor221`	`aww your screwed now`
`04:05.52`	`dutchrai`	`Geo? Thats original`
`04:06.00`	`bzdoug__`	`gag`
`04:06.02`	`bzdoug__`	`heh`
`04:06.03`	`Patalbor221`	`stupid FAT HOBIT~~~`
`04:06.04`	`jzaun`	`My dad's name is George`
`04:06.10`	`dutchrai`	`:)`
`04:06.24`	`dutchrai`	`And you were shorter so he named you Geo?`
`04:06.26`	`bzdoug__`	`dad is Ponto Knotwise of Michel Delving`
`04:06.43`	`jzaun`	`bzdoug__: My b-day is 20 May 77 so now that you know I want a gift from you`
`04:06.44`	`Patalbor221`	`reminds me that I need to get raw fish tomrow`
`04:06.49`	`bzdoug__`	`noodleman is Dimple Hamwich of Buckleberry Fern`
`04:06.58`	`dutchrai`	`Hehe...you'll get it...on May 20`
`04:07.00`	`bzdoug__`	`jzaun: ugh, email sent`
`04:07.08`	`jzaun`	`dutchrai: nope, just what they did`
`04:07.10`	`bzdoug__`	`jzaun: :P`
`04:07.11`	`Patalbor221`	`I still think Pimpin is the best name by far`
`04:08.01`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:08.06`	`bzdoug__`	`Pimple Burrows of Tuckborough`
`04:08.08`	`paul`	`hi dutchrai`
`04:08.12`	`dutchrai`	`Hi paul`
`04:08.31`	`bzdoug__`	`paul: know YOUR hobbit name?`
`04:08.53`	`paul`	`bzdoug__: i'm not a fan of tolkien`
`04:08.57`	`bzdoug__`	`huh`
`04:08.59`	`bzdoug__`	`me niether`
`04:09.09`	`bzdoug__`	`jeff myers is Dimple Tighfield of Tookbank`
`04:10.31`	`Patalbor221`	`my name is Jeffrey`
`04:10.36`	`bzdoug__`	`hm`
`04:10.38`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`04:10.40`	`bzdoug__`	`er`
`04:10.43`	`bzdoug__`	`hm`
`04:11.07`	`bzdoug__`	`Pimpernel Tighfield of Tookbank`
`04:11.16`	`Patalbor221`	`Pimpin :)`
`04:11.19`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:11.30`	`bzdoug__`	`even pat labor comes out pimpin`
`04:11.40`	`Patalbor221`	`PIMPIN!!!!!!`
`04:11.45`	`Patalbor221`	`in the hizzouse`
`04:12.05`	`bzdoug__`	`Pimple Burrows of Tuckborough`
`04:12.47`	`Patalbor221`	`everyone love pimpin`
`04:12.57`	`Patalbor221`	`except for the cops`
`04:13.01`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:13.02`	`Patalbor221`	`they don't like it much`
`04:15.22`	`Patalbor221`	`tho I would prefer to be a ranger then a rouge, or a druid.`
`04:16.12`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:16.39`	`Patalbor221`	`hey don't laugh at Garet Highhill`
`04:16.46`	`Patalbor221`	`or you'll get a stabin`
`04:17.48`	`Patalbor221`	`a halfling with a longsword is a truly fearsome sight`
`04:18.22`	`Patalbor221`	`the war hammer was prety funny too`
`04:18.44`	`Patalbor221`	`tho when you are 2 foot 10, you can't realy vary your hit locations too much`
`04:18.55`	`bzdoug__`	`indeed`
`04:19.16`	`bzdoug__`	`~spell odessy`
`04:19.25`		`possible spellings for odessy: Odessa odes Odyssey odyssey Ode's ode's ideas ides odds ODs Essy Oder's Odey Odey's Odie's orders Odis Otes`
`04:19.25`	`Patalbor221`	`so sadly there are lots of legs and kneecap hits, and of course the nut shot`
`04:19.25`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:32.24`	`Patalbor221`	`you want to die?`
`04:32.45`	`bzdoug__`	`~die`
`04:32.47`		`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.`
`04:32.52`	`bzdoug__`	`there`
`04:33.27`	`Patalbor221`	`tho your state thinks one of my pastimes is "satan worship"`
`04:33.30`	`bzdoug__`	`with a fletchete gun`
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`04:33.55`	`dutchrai`	`~lart MrApathyCream`
`04:34.06`	`Patalbor221`	`they had flechete shotguns in alternity`
`04:34.30`	`Patalbor221`	`full auto`
`04:34.41`	`Patalbor221`	`but that system didn't do so well`
`04:34.47`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`04:35.10`	`bzdoug__`	`Pink Floyd - Money.mp3`
`04:35.16`	`Patalbor221`	`D20 modern seems to be taking up it's slack tho`
`04:35.25`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`04:35.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`ooof`
`04:36.26`	`Patalbor221`	`ooof?`
`04:36.32`	`bzdoug__`	`ooof.`
`04:36.39`	`Patalbor221`	`foo`
`04:36.44`	`bzdoug__`	`foo?`
`04:36.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`the sound on emakes when whacked with a cluebat`
`04:37.42`	`Patalbor221`	`hmm I should poabalby clear the 15 meg immage from the clipboard, seems to slow down some apps when they activate :)`
`04:37.51`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: hah`
`04:37.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`>------\|=> ?`
`04:38.04`	`bzdoug__`	`3:-0`
`04:38.11`	`Patalbor221`	`there ae no grav guns in ferun`
`04:38.14`	`Patalbor221`	`baka`
`04:38.21`	`bzdoug__`	`there is now`
`04:38.50`	`Patalbor221`	`wow that made a dent in the dirt didn't it?`
`04:39.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`lites out at baka`
`04:39.10`	`Patalbor221`	`that it is`
`04:39.15`	`Patalbor221`	`I'm not at that office`
`04:39.21`	`Patalbor221`	`Im at #2`
`04:39.31`	`Patalbor221`	`with my new fancy mobo`
`04:40.43`	`Patalbor221`	`suckers's got external power for crist sake`
`04:41.16`	`Patalbor221`	`you've been reading to many of those bad interweb sci-fi pages haven't you`
`04:41.21`	`Patalbor221`	`DBZ in space`
`04:41.26`	`bzdoug__`	`a book`
`04:41.33`	`bzdoug__`	`a series of books`
`04:41.33`	`Patalbor221`	`a real paper book?`
`04:41.37`	`Patalbor221`	`what one?`
`04:41.42`	`bzdoug__`	`I am on book 2`
`04:41.45`	`bzdoug__`	`ebook`
`04:41.46`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`04:41.49`	`Patalbor221`	`what series?`
`04:41.57`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm, I dont know..`
`04:42.01`	`Patalbor221`	`you should read the culture series`
`04:42.10`	`bzdoug__`	`?`
`04:42.12`	`Patalbor221`	`I.M. Banks`
`04:42.14`	`bzdoug__`	`free ebook?`
`04:42.23`	`Patalbor221`	`nope`
`04:42.24`	`bzdoug__`	`I can read only ebooks`
`04:42.31`	`bzdoug__`	`easyer to hold`
`04:42.37`	`Patalbor221`	`you don't want authors to make more books?`
`04:43.02`	`bzdoug__`	`baen books has its sales risen cuz of free ebooks`
`04:43.04`	`Patalbor221`	`cus they won't write them if they can't make a living doing it.`
`04:43.12`	`Patalbor221`	`not because of you tho`
`04:43.21`	`Patalbor221`	`I didn't say ebooks were bad`
`04:43.29`	`Patalbor221`	`but you should buy books too.`
`04:43.38`	`Patalbor221`	`so they make more`
`04:43.56`	`bzdoug__`	`buy books with what?`
`04:43.58`	`bzdoug__`	`cash?`
`04:43.59`	`bzdoug__`	`hah`
`04:44.17`	`bzdoug__`	`book is called Gust Front`
`04:44.18`	`Patalbor221`	`how else do you plan to make it in the world`
`04:44.21`	`Patalbor221`	`free eHouses?`
`04:44.24`	`Patalbor221`	`and free eFood?`
`04:44.29`	`bzdoug__`	`no series name`
`04:44.37`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: hmm`
`04:44.46`	`Patalbor221`	`that good eJob?`
`04:44.48`	`bzdoug__`	`electronic houses`
`04:46.49`	`Patalbor221`	`what do you want to be if you grow up?`
`04:46.59`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: a vegitable`
`04:47.06`	`Patalbor221`	`ohh like Cell`
`04:47.26`	`bzdoug__`	`Patalbor221: hmmmmmmm, dunno, something that uses computers... problebly working at nasa`
`04:47.38`	`Patalbor221`	`doing what?`
`04:47.46`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm`
`04:47.46`	`Patalbor221`	`just playing with there computers?`
`04:47.50`	`stibnite`	`bzdoug__: settle for data entry at the county waste treatment plant?`
`04:47.51`	`bzdoug__`	`yea`
`04:48.04`	`bzdoug__`	`nasa computers play bzflag soooo fast`
`04:48.13`	`bzdoug__`	`stibnite: no`
`04:48.16`	`stibnite`	`doh`
`04:48.28`	`Patalbor221`	`<BZdoug> 250 gallons of poo: dev-15-2007 enterd`
`04:48.44`	`bzdoug__`	`stibnite: but I shall keep that on the GTHP`
`04:48.50`	`Patalbor221`	`and why will they hire you?`
`04:48.52`	`stibnite`	`ok!`
`04:49.05`	`bzdoug__`	`good looks`
`04:49.10`	`Patalbor221`	`riiiiiiight`
`04:49.19`	`stibnite`	`because 80% of nasa's IT people are over the age of 50`
`04:49.34`	`bzdoug__`	`stibnite: they need some new people soon`
`04:49.38`	`stibnite`	`yep`
`04:49.45`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah but do you know fortran?`
`04:49.54`	`stibnite`	`never met him`
`04:49.59`	`bzdoug__`	`me niether`
`04:50.02`	`stibnite`	`lol`
`04:50.26`	`Patalbor221`	`you graduate in 2 years right doug? wher you goin after that?`
`04:50.40`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm.....`
`04:51.03`	`Patalbor221`	`or is your special schooling gonna take longer?`
`04:51.14`	`bzdoug__`	`I suppose I am gonna go home, eat dinner, and maybe goto bed`
`04:51.37`	`bzdoug__`	`normal day`
`04:52.01`	`Patalbor221`	`so just keep doin that till your 30?`
`04:52.20`	`bzdoug__`	`no, that was after the graduation`
`04:52.32`	`Patalbor221`	`what about later that year?`
`04:52.43`	`bzdoug__`	`hum`
`04:53.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`what is http://www.bakadigital.com/tallblue_5_bfin.png for?`
`04:53.51`	`bzdoug__`	`wake up: eat breakfast: go to Patalbor221's work to fix the firewall again: go eat lunch: go fix firewall again: fire IT department: go home`
`04:54.29`	`Patalbor221`	`MAC it's just a realy good texture`
`04:54.42`	`Patalbor221`	`doug, we did just fire our IT dept`
`04:54.46`	`bzdoug__`	`oh`
`04:54.46`	`bzdoug__`	`darn`
`04:54.52`	`bzdoug__`	`then take that off`
`04:54.54`	`Patalbor221`	`and I don't use there firewall :)`
`04:55.00`	`bzdoug__`	`heh`
`04:55.01`	`Patalbor221`	`gots my own`
`04:55.18`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:55.44`	`Patalbor221`	`I've replicated all of our important services under my desk`
`04:55.57`	`bzdoug__`	`hahaha`
`04:55.59`	`Patalbor221`	`and they stay up`
`04:56.09`	`bzdoug__`	`hmm? get a raise?`
`04:56.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`BackgroundRenderer 881: Yes you are on crack`
`04:56.20`	`Patalbor221`	`nope`
`04:56.27`	`bzdoug__`	`bummer`
`04:56.38`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah mac I saw that it was set in the function`
`04:56.44`	`Patalbor221`	`changed it in there :)`
`04:57.05`	`Patalbor221`	`it's part of my job to make sure the stuff in our dept works, independet of our IS dept.`
`04:57.10`	`Patalbor221`	`since they are idiots`
`04:57.21`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:57.28`	`Patalbor221`	`tho they are good at finding ISOs of X-box games`
`04:57.53`	`bzdoug__`	`indeed`
`04:58.02`	`bzdoug__`	`company bandwidth, who wouldnt?`
`04:58.05`	`Patalbor221`	`I have keys to all server rooms and network closets and 24/7 access to the building`
`04:58.25`	`bzdoug__`	`cool`
`04:58.44`	`Patalbor221`	`MAC I was thinking of something like that texture for bases tho, instead of the flat shaded thing that there is now.`
`04:58.48`	`bzdoug__`	`you wouldnt happen to be the boss too?`
`04:58.53`	`Patalbor221`	`no`
`04:58.57`	`bzdoug__`	`k`
`04:58.59`	`Patalbor221`	`I am not the presedent of the company`
`04:59.08`	`Patalbor221`	`I have 2 less keys then he does`
`04:59.22`	`bzdoug__`	`lol`
`04:59.30`	`bzdoug__`	`and those are for his BMW and house?`
`04:59.51`	`Patalbor221`	`no, pres and VP offices, and the electrical closet`
`05:00.02`	`bzdoug__`	`electrical?`
`05:00.04`	`bzdoug__`	`what for?`
`05:00.13`	`bzdoug__`	`shouldnt that be for everybody?`
`05:00.13`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah where the transformer and stuff is`
`05:00.16`	`bzdoug__`	`oh`
`05:00.25`	`Patalbor221`	`I have keys to all the breaker rooms`
`05:00.28`	`Patalbor221`	`just not the main`
`05:00.28`	`bzdoug__`	`electrical ROOM would be more like it`
`05:00.30`	`Patalbor221`	`no need`
`05:00.32`	`bzdoug__`	`:)`
`05:00.40`	`Patalbor221`	`well it's not that big`
`05:00.51`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`05:00.55`	`bzdoug__`	`woo!`
`05:01.03`	`bzdoug__`	`is 00:00`
`05:01.12`	`Patalbor221`	`for you`
`05:01.13`	`bzdoug__`	`[00:00] <Patalbor221> well it's not that big`
`05:01.29`	`Patalbor221`	`9:01 here`
`05:01.42`	`Patalbor221`	`you mean stolen music`
`05:02.07`	`bzdoug__`	`free`
`05:02.18`	`Patalbor221`	`off kaza?`
`05:02.20`	`bzdoug__`	`I like the music, and will buy from the now dead composers when I get money`
`05:02.24`	`Patalbor221`	`stolen`
`05:02.43`	`Patalbor221`	`it's not the composer, it's the perforers`
`05:03.00`	`bzdoug__`	`:P`
`05:05.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`stupidly, imo, bz-objects have base colors on top of textures`
`05:06.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`so you can never get away from green 'flooring' no matter what texture`
`05:06.20`	`Patalbor221`	`yeah I know`
`05:06.40`	`Patalbor221`	`I changed it for Zero and it looked odd, so I put the green back`
`05:06.47`	`Patalbor221`	`just so it didn't freak people out too much`
`05:07.09`	`Patalbor221`	`never version will most likely have ether metal or concerte floor as the default`
`05:09.22`	`Patalbor221`	`tho best will be when each object can have it's own speced textures`
`05:10.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`05:10.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`"eat at joe's" sign`
`05:11.49`	`Patalbor221`	`that will probably be the first new thing I add, is a textured flat plane, that has a speced texture. that dosn't colide.`
`05:12.00`	`Patalbor221`	`holo-sign`
`05:12.45`	`Patalbor221`	`I mean world object wize`
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`05:47.41`	`lurgyman`	`MrApathyCream: hang on, switching monitors...`
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`05:59.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, seen_captain_proton?`
`05:59.48`		`out buying christmas presents for his bzflag buds`
`06:04.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`well beddy`
`06:31.30`	`protonio`	`what boots?`
`06:31.55`	`Patlabor221`	`the pimpness that is the new mobo`
`06:32.32`	`scanline`	`ack. gimble lock!`
`06:32.49`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`06:33.02`	`scanline`	`if solarsystem.py is this much fun to play with, jetstream itself should be a blast!`
`06:33.18`	`Patlabor221`	`the new mobo with AGP 8x, suppoorts ddr 400 and built in bluetooth`
`06:34.14`	`scanline`	`wow. how uncheap was it?`
`06:34.28`	`Patlabor221`	`only like 65-70 I think`
`06:34.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I dono`
`06:34.32`	`scanline`	`neat`
`06:34.35`	`Patlabor221`	`haven't payed any mony for it`
`06:34.51`	`Patlabor221`	`I just said I needed a socket A board and this is what he bought for me`
`06:35.04`	`Patlabor221`	`and puting a radeon 9700 in it`
`06:35.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and now to put together the 1800+ leenox mahcine :)`
`06:36.57`	`scanline`	`spiffy`
`06:38.32`	`Patlabor221`	`cap, soundcard wise for linux what is easyer to install, the via stuff on the mobo or a sb live 5.1?`
`06:38.56`	`scanline`	`linux might support the onboard sound, but most of those aren't worth using`
`06:39.06`	`scanline`	`sb live is good, and works nicely in leenooks`
`06:39.29`	`Patlabor221`	`in it goes`
`06:40.13`	`Patlabor221`	`XP1800+, 512 DDR, GF3, SBLive5.1.. should be a decent little system`
`06:40.27`	`Patlabor221`	`and I'll even use the good NIC`
`06:40.30`	`scanline`	`similar to mine`
`06:41.12`	`scanline`	`This system was dualhead for a while, but my second CPU stopped working and I've been to "busy" to debug that`
`06:41.16`	`scanline`	`err, dual-CPU`
`06:41.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and a 1900+ gig of DDR Radeon 9700, Via's new 5.1 onboard stuff, that should also be good`
`06:41.28`	`protonio`	`scanline has monitors on the brain :)`
`06:41.32`	`Patlabor221`	`ha`
`06:41.34`	`scanline`	`yeah`
`06:41.44`	`scanline`	`this new 19" is sooo much nicer than the one I gave Dan :)`
`06:42.00`	`Patlabor221`	`hell am I gonna do with that`
`06:42.11`	`scanline`	`make a dedicated bzflag kiosk!`
`06:42.22`	`protonio`	`Patlabor221: hmm...i can think of something ;-)`
`06:42.28`	`Patlabor221`	`PCI`
`06:42.53`	`scanline`	`dual-head`
`06:43.20`	`Patlabor221`	`radeon allready has dualies`
`06:43.27`	`scanline`	`ah`
`06:43.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and I don't have another working monitor`
`06:43.39`	`Patlabor221`	`the 21's "jumpy"`
`06:43.49`	`Patlabor221`	`so it's a 19 and a swiching 17`
`06:44.04`	`Patlabor221`	`17 is second monitor for main, and main for secondary`
`06:44.19`	`Patlabor221`	`the LCD ting on your clock?`
`06:44.38`	`scanline`	`72-LED panel and 20x2 character VFD`
`06:44.41`	`scanline`	`on my case`
`06:44.50`	`Patlabor221`	`ooooooo 6 USB that is nice, and 2 USB 2.0's`
`06:45.09`	`Patlabor221`	`and my keyboard has 2 usbs`
`06:45.10`	`Patlabor221`	`damn`
`06:45.23`	`Patlabor221`	`too bad I don't have that many USB devices`
`06:45.25`	`protonio`	`scanline: you said you've seen usb versions of the VFDs?`
`06:45.45`	`Patlabor221`	`what does VFD stand for?`
`06:45.54`	`protonio`	`Very Fine Dining`
`06:45.57`	`Patlabor221`	`I like the thing that TIM has that makes the text in the air`
`06:46.00`	`scanline`	`protonio: no, it was this same VFD with a USB-to-serial adaptor affixed to the back`
`06:46.09`	`protonio`	`scanline: ahh`
`06:46.19`	`scanline`	`protonio: needs an external power supply, since the VFD takes more juice than the USB spec provides`
`06:46.38`	`scanline`	`don't you have an RS-232 port?`
`06:47.08`	`protonio`	`scanline: its used by my IR sensor`
`06:47.13`	`scanline`	`ah`
`06:47.18`	`scanline`	`and you only have one?`
`06:47.35`	`protonio`	`yeah`
`06:47.38`	`Patlabor221`	`number of mobos don't have them`
`06:47.43`	`scanline`	`hmm. the IR sensor probably only uses RX, and the VFD only uses TX. you could put them on the same port`
`06:47.47`	`Patlabor221`	`new one didn't have game port, was wierd`
`06:48.16`	`scanline`	`you can drive the recieve and transmit at different baud rates`
`06:48.31`	`scanline`	`the VFD has jumpers to pick the rate, but it's max is 19200`
`06:48.47`	`protonio`	`IR runs at 9600`
`06:48.57`	`scanline`	`the VFD supports that :)`
`06:49.00`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you IR too?`
`06:49.08`	`protonio`	`Patlabor221: a remote control`
`06:49.13`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`06:49.21`	`Patlabor221`	`the IR thing for my legos was bidirectional`
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`06:53.16`	`Patlabor221`	`will linux be ok if I swap it to masivly difrent harware? or should I install again?`
`06:53.48`	`protonio`	`argg`
`06:53.53`	`protonio`	`looks like they're all about $40-50`
`06:54.42`	`Jormungandr`	`sigh`
`06:55.44`	`Jormungandr`	`some people can be too fn touchy.`
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`06:56.16`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: should be ok`
`06:56.33`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: you _might_ need to reinstall if you go to a different CPU architecture, other than that it should be fine :)`
`06:57.19`	`Jormungandr`	`is it all that uncommon to join a different server as a different color team?`
`06:57.40`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm going from a VIA C3 to an AMD XP1800+`
`06:57.47`	`Jormungandr`	`people moaning at me for changing color teams between servers.`
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`07:01.51`	`Patlabor221`	`it shoudl print out something like "whoa" when it finds that much new hardware`
`07:06.32`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`07:07.38`	`Patlabor221`	`how do I bring up the frame counter, I forget`
`07:07.51`	`Jormungandr`	`windows is trying to do that, Pat... too many hardware changes and you have to reactivate windows.`
`07:07.54`	`Jormungandr`	`hang on...`
`07:08.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I was talking about linux, windows handled a mobo and vid swap just fine`
`07:08.25`	`Jormungandr`	`t key`
`07:08.28`	`Patlabor221`	`I was taking the linux machine to a new CPU type`
`07:08.36`	`Jormungandr`	`oh, cool`
`07:08.40`	`Patlabor221`	`and it basicly said "whoa"`
`07:08.44`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`07:08.50`	`Patlabor221`	`now I have a AMD 1800+ GF3 linux machine`
`07:09.00`	`Jormungandr`	`most excellent :)`
`07:09.13`	`Jormungandr`	`I went to apple store to see if they had vid cards.`
`07:09.17`	`Jormungandr`	`not buying from them :)`
`07:09.27`	`Patlabor221`	`and this radeon 9700 is funky`
`07:09.39`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh they will charge you an assload`
`07:09.40`	`Jormungandr`	`mine, too`
`07:09.45`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`07:10.27`	`Jormungandr`	`radeon 9000 on ati's website for 169 for the mac`
`07:10.30`	`Jormungandr`	`not too bad`
`07:12.10`	`Patlabor221`	`I know it's one of the keys to get the frame counter`
`07:12.22`	`Jormungandr`	`t key`
`07:12.26`	`Jormungandr`	`gets frame counter`
`07:12.27`	`Jormungandr`	`T`
`07:12.29`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`07:12.33`	`Jormungandr`	`just looked it up`
`07:13.17`	`Patlabor221`	`pffft only 116 fps with 2x AA on`
`07:13.36`	`Patlabor221`	`some artifacts tho`
`07:13.37`	`Patlabor221`	`odd`
`07:13.46`	`Jormungandr`	`get a few of those with the 9700`
`07:14.15`	`Patlabor221`	`here goes 6x AA and 16x anisotropic filtering, at 1600`
`07:15.10`	`Patlabor221`	`88 to 75 fps`
`07:15.13`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm getting between 220 and 260`
`07:15.26`	`Patlabor221`	`what res and what options?`
`07:15.29`	`Patlabor221`	`any AA?`
`07:15.31`	`Jormungandr`	`at 1600x1200`
`07:15.34`	`Jormungandr`	`AA?`
`07:15.41`	`Patlabor221`	`Anti Aliasing`
`07:15.49`	`Jormungandr`	`how can you tell?`
`07:16.06`	`Patlabor221`	`you would have to turn it on in the driver`
`07:16.09`	`Patlabor221`	`since BZ dosn't ask for it`
`07:16.09`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`07:16.17`	`Jormungandr`	`it's in linux.`
`07:16.21`	`Patlabor221`	`all the edges would be SMOOTH as hell`
`07:16.21`	`Jormungandr`	`it's ati drivers`
`07:16.27`	`Patlabor221`	`so, it's got a flipin driver`
`07:16.34`	`Jormungandr`	`they are pretty darned smooth`
`07:16.36`	`Patlabor221`	`may be run by a config`
`07:16.48`	`Patlabor221`	`well they would be blended and slightly fuzzy`
`07:16.56`	`Patlabor221`	`but probably not`
`07:17.01`	`Patlabor221`	`on a 2100+?`
`07:17.08`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`07:17.21`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah me and you should have very similar performance`
`07:17.36`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah`
`07:18.11`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I am in dual head mode, and I know that uses some of the cards speed`
`07:18.21`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`07:18.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm geting bout 150 no AA`
`07:18.30`	`Jormungandr`	`just using one monitor for now.`
`07:18.31`	`Patlabor221`	`still anyting over 60 is fine`
`07:18.36`	`Jormungandr`	`yup\`
`07:19.48`	`Jormungandr`	`gunna go relax for a bit. talk to you later.`
`07:19.55`	`Patlabor221`	`have fun`
`07:20.00`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`07:20.04`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm gonna try the "evil" thing again`
`07:21.55`	`Patlabor221`	`an AMD XP is a i686 SMP or UP?`
`07:22.13`	`protonio`	`UP`
`07:22.18`	`protonio`	`MP can be SMP`
`07:22.19`	`Patlabor221`	`what does that mean`
`07:22.45`	`Patlabor221`	`UniProcessor?`
`07:22.52`	`Patlabor221`	`SomeMoreProcessors?`
`07:23.23`	`protonio`	`symmetric multiprocessing`
`07:23.27`	`protonio`	`and uniprocessor`
`07:23.37`	`Patlabor221`	`well at least I got one right :)`
`07:25.48`	`Patlabor221`	`what the heck did the do the flipin console in this thing? it's not in the menu`
`07:26.14`	`protonio`	`menu where what?`
`07:26.18`	`protonio`	`what what what what what?`
`07:26.19`	`Patlabor221`	`KDE`
`07:26.24`	`protonio`	`hrm, that doesn't have quite the same effect`
`07:26.27`	`Patlabor221`	`missing console Icon thingy`
`07:26.32`	`protonio`	`and you want to get a text-mode console or a terminal?`
`07:26.33`	`Patlabor221`	`need console`
`07:26.42`	`Patlabor221`	`want to type things in SU mode`
`07:26.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and make things go`
`07:26.55`	`Patlabor221`	`want to do real leeenox things`
`07:27.00`	`protonio`	`ctrl+alt+f1`
`07:27.06`	`Patlabor221`	`mostly install the NV gl DRivers`
`07:27.28`	`Patlabor221`	`ooooo screen looks ALLLLL Funny now`
`07:27.32`	`Patlabor221`	`vertical bars`
`07:27.49`	`Patlabor221`	`methinks I'm screwed`
`07:28.22`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps gnome would be less sucky`
`07:28.58`	`protonio`	`gnome has somewhat less suckitude`
`07:31.36`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh happy terminal`
`07:32.56`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh gawd, don't have those src rpms installed`
`07:33.52`	`protonio`	`fish link central`
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`07:34.45`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o: unresolved symbol proc_roo`
`07:34.47`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`t_Rf7cb19b8`
`07:34.49`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o: unresolved symbol __pollwa`
`07:34.51`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`it_Rd9f12fbe`
`07:34.53`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o: unresolved symbol create_p`
`07:34.55`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`roc_entry_R74ce1c92`
`07:34.56`	`protonio`	`PatlaLEEEENOX: build the kernel driver from source`
`07:34.58`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o: unresolved symbol remove_p`
`07:34.59`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`roc_entry_R9d94e529`
`07:35.01`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o:`
`07:35.05`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`Hint: You are trying to load a module without a GPL compatible license`
`07:35.08`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:35.09`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:35.11`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18`
`07:35.13`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o failed`
`07:35.14`	`Patlabor221`	`good god it's still going`
`07:35.15`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o: insmod nvidia failed`
`07:35.17`	`PatlaLEEEENOX`	`Failed to install nvidia.o`
`07:35.23`	`Patlabor221`	`stop you silly machine`
`07:36.01`	`Patlabor221`	`so I want the kernel tarball?`
`07:38.30`	`scanline`	`yum`
`07:38.32`	`scanline`	`http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/asteroid_sunrise.png`
`07:38.38`	`protonio`	`Patlabor221: ye`
`07:38.39`	`protonio`	`p`
`07:38.57`	`protonio`	`scanline: mmm`
`07:38.59`	`Patlabor221`	`tar -x ing now`
`07:39.19`	`protonio`	`its easy to get pretty spectacular screenies with solarsystem :)`
`07:39.41`	`scanline`	`indeedy`
`07:46.54`	`Patlabor221`	`is it suposed to a long time to untar?`
`07:52.19`	`protonio`	`Patlabor221: what command did you use to untar?`
`07:52.25`	`Patlabor221`	`the wrong one :)`
`07:52.36`	`Patlabor221`	`so I just used the gnome unpacker`
`07:52.48`	`Patlabor221`	`so I do a make -install on the kernel?`
`07:53.22`	`protonio`	`make; make install`
`07:53.55`	`Patlabor221`	`great 1 error`
`07:54.15`	`Patlabor221`	`'nvl' is undeclared`
`07:54.40`	`Patlabor221`	`but this machine is fast :)`
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`08:36.16`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh just tell him to get a new video card :)`
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`08:37.57`	`fontenot`	`who, bzflag is winning happypenguin.org's best free multiplayer action game voting by a landslide!`
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`10:48.23`	`Alchimoun`	`Hi all`
`10:48.39`	`Alchimoun`	`Plz anybody can say me how play bazflag multiplayer game on the net?`
`10:49.03`	`Hamster_afk`	`download, install play`
`10:49.10`	`Alchimoun`	`i have it`
`10:49.14`	`Alchimoun`	`and install`
`10:49.22`	`Alchimoun`	`i can play but only on localhost :-(`
`10:49.26`	`Alchimoun`	`Alone`
`10:49.27`	`Alchimoun`	`:)`
`10:49.47`	`Hamster_afk`	`join another server`
`10:50.01`	`Alchimoun`	`in wich menu?`
`10:50.09`	`Hamster_afk`	`on the main menu. the Join option`
`10:50.24`	`Hamster_afk`	`select a server. then connect`
`10:50.37`	`Hamster_afk`	`don't start your own server`
`10:50.57`	`Alchimoun`	`Yes`
`10:51.04`	`Alchimoun`	`but i havn't join another server`
`10:51.08`	`Alchimoun`	`i lauch bzflag`
`10:51.19`	`Alchimoun`	`with the command: /usr/games/bzflag`
`10:51.21`	`Alchimoun`	`only`
`10:51.36`	`Alchimoun`	`and in find server game i have nothing`
`10:51.56`	`Hamster_afk`	`then you probably need to specify a list server`
`10:52.21`	`Alchimoun`	`Ok`
`10:52.22`	`Hamster_afk`	`http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt`
`10:52.26`	`Alchimoun`	`Thank`
`10:52.55`	`Hamster_afk`	`in you ~/.bzflag put the line "list http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt"`
`10:53.05`	`Hamster_afk`	`must go`
`10:53.11`	`Alchimoun`	`Ok very thanks`
`10:53.14`	`Alchimoun`	`I do this now :)`
`10:54.01`	`Alchimoun`	`Ok that nice`
`10:54.09`	`Alchimoun`	`very thank and have a good day :)`
`10:59.40`	`[dmp]`	`"calico killed by [dmp]" - this string, is this created by bzfs ?`
`11:00.34`	`[dmp]`	`~seen MrApathyCream`
`11:00.37`		`i haven't seen 'mrapathycream ', [dmp]`
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`13:53.33`	`bzgirl`	`hi isfry`
`13:53.40`	`isfry`	`Hey there`
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`15:06.56`	`winxp`	`hallo`
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`15:20.49`	`Hamster_afk`	`hi <insert your nick here>, how are your how's the <wife/dog/hamster/kids>. I'm fine, yea really`
`15:22.06`	`Chestal`	`bei mir passen alle 80 gerade so rein`
`15:22.07`	`Chestal`	`oops`
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`16:33.46`	`sussudio`	`it's laggygirl!`
`16:37.05`	`bzgirl`	`its under 300`
`16:37.12`	`bzgirl`	`so stop whining`
`16:37.23`	`sussudio`	`when everyone else is < 130`
`16:37.35`	`sussudio`	`there's no reason why you should be lagging so much, you're on damn cable`
`16:38.23`	`sussudio`	`big barrel is on aol dialup and he was 150 or something`
`16:43.07`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214)`
`16:44.11`	`Secret_Hamster`	`people on aol should be banned`
`16:44.26`	`*** join/#bzflag Cell (~booble@p50803562.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`16:44.31`	`Cell`	`la`
`16:44.34`	`Patlabor221`	`but they've "got mail"`
`16:44.56`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I don't care. They should get a decent ISP`
`16:45.20`	`Secret_Hamster`	`One that will actaully allow them onto the internet`
`16:45.29`	`Patlabor221`	`but other ISPs don't talk and say they got mail`
`16:45.38`	`Patlabor221`	`wold you want them on the real internet?`
`16:46.16`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hum I suppose not. But then we could trash there computers good an proper`
`16:46.18`	`Patlabor221`	`I like the fact that the are all together in a nice easaly identifyable and banable group`
`16:46.24`	`isfry`	`they would ask things like what is the keyword for bzflag =)`
`16:46.42`	`Secret_Hamster`	`roflmao`
`16:46.51`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I hate keywords`
`16:47.09`	`Cell`	`got all the exam protokolls, learn all the answers by heart, that should get me through all the verbal final tests`
`16:47.28`	`Secret_Hamster`	`"Hello. Break out of the mould. Go search for stuff. AOL isn't everything`
`16:47.32`	`sussudio`	`the aol dialer is vulnerable to hangup ping`
`16:48.32`	`Secret_Hamster`	`It's just so lame. They get AOL think hey look at all the info. Not realising that they're hardly seeing anything`
`16:48.34`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah Cell, that's just soo much better then learning for real.`
`16:48.54`	`Secret_Hamster`	`It's not as if AOL protect them at all. They just reap them for more money`
`16:48.59`	`Cell`	`its much faster`
`16:49.03`	`sussudio`	`s/reap/rape/`
`16:49.17`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hum time for Cell to go back on ignore I think`
`16:49.20`	`Patlabor221`	`cell, yes and much more shallow.`
`16:49.28`	`Patlabor221`	`proalby for the best.`
`16:49.33`	`Patlabor221`	`since he never talks about BZ`
`16:49.43`	`Cell`	`wtf is BZ?`
`16:49.47`	`sussudio`	`Cell: why do you always say stuff nobody is interested in?`
`16:49.47`	`Cell`	`lol`
`16:49.51`	`Patlabor221`	`and his lame Cheat client`
`16:50.00`	`stibnite`	`i'm going to scream`
`16:50.02`	`Patlabor221`	`that is now busted.`
`16:50.12`	`sussudio`	`stibnite: like a girl?`
`16:50.15`	`Cell`	`why that?`
`16:50.19`	`stibnite`	`just like a girl`
`16:50.25`	`sussudio`	`iiiii`
`16:50.30`	`stibnite`	`cvs`
`16:50.32`	`Patlabor221`	`cell: server side checks for all your crap, auto kicks.`
`16:50.33`	`stibnite`	`must have cvs`
`16:50.54`	`Cell`	`i know that you are all loosers! So you have not to convince me about it anymore`
`16:51.08`	`Patlabor221`	`so why keep coming here?`
`16:51.10`	`sussudio`	`? syntax error`
`16:51.25`	`stibnite`	`Cell: would you like a hug?`
`16:51.28`	`Cell`	`to remind you about beiing a looser`
`16:51.33`	`stibnite`	`i think maybe you need a hug`
`16:51.40`	`sussudio`	`or a shot of thorazine`
`16:51.52`	`stibnite`	`shhh`
`16:51.54`	`Secret_Hamster`	`or a bullet. Ricin?`
`16:52.08`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh thank you cell, we all can't be as pathetic as you. so we need you to remind us.`
`16:52.20`	`stibnite`	`Patlabor221: but that doesn't mean we can't try!`
`16:52.22`	`Cell`	`everyone who plays even more who programms crap like BZflag is a looser for sure`
`16:52.28`	`Secret_Hamster`	`why don't you all just ignore him`
`16:52.39`	`Patlabor221`	`yes cus your pig fucking game is soo much cooler`
`16:52.39`	`stibnite`	`good idea!`
`16:52.50`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221:of coz it is`
`16:52.57`	`Chestal`	`~spell looser`
`16:52.59`		`'looser' may be spelled correctly`
`16:53.03`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh it's much more fun to mess with with people, and get them to get themseves baned`
`16:53.21`	`stibnite`	`as long as you are being safe with the pigs, and not spreading disease...`
`16:53.26`	`Patlabor221`	`cell: does it exist? does any of your code exist.`
`16:53.28`	`Chestal`	`ibot: silly bot`
`16:53.30`		`Chestal: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`16:53.30`	`Cell`	`i dont thing you are ppl`
`16:54.06`	`stibnite`	`ibot: will you fix sf anoncvs, please?`
`16:54.07`		`stibnite: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?`
`16:54.10`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221: not yet`
`16:54.15`	`Cell`	`its in my head`
`16:54.27`	`stibnite`	`ibot: i think perhaps`
`16:54.29`		`stibnite: are you smoking crack?`
`16:54.34`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhhh code is allways best in your head.`
`16:54.37`	`stibnite`	`ibot: almost every day now`
`16:54.39`		`stibnite: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`16:54.46`	`sussudio`	`~pig cell`
`16:54.49`		`cell is 47% pig!`
`16:54.49`	`stibnite`	`ibot: no. it's an addiction`
`16:54.51`		`stibnite: i don't know`
`16:55.00`	`stibnite`	`yeah, me neither.`
`16:55.01`	`Cell`	`haha`
`16:56.03`	`Patlabor221`	`well time to ignore him, time to do real work, where I get money, so I don't have to live in my parents basement.`
`16:56.40`	`stibnite`	`Patlabor221: you could lease my trailer- it's down by the river`
`16:57.10`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221:lol, but i will serach my own apartment this year`
`16:57.10`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I have a place where I live quite nicely, 2 bedroom apt near work.`
`16:57.20`	`sussudio`	`~spell serach`
`16:57.22`		`possible spellings for serach: search seraph reach breach preach starch scratch Sarah Erich earache swatch Mirach sera's serape searcher sketch speech Zurich Roach Sacha Serra roach screech stretch detach preachy snatch starchy`
`16:57.37`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Sarah!`
`16:57.47`	`sussudio`	`roach apartment!`
`16:57.51`	`Cell`	`not because i dont like to live in my parents apartment, its pretty comfortable here, but i need some more privacy for girls`
`16:57.53`	`Patlabor221`	`not at all.`
`16:57.57`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Preachy?`
`16:58.12`	`Patlabor221`	`DSL, sat TV all that`
`16:58.14`	`Secret_Hamster`	`wtf wierd spellings`
`16:58.15`	`sussudio`	`s/girls/gerbils/`
`16:58.30`	`Cell`	`haha`
`16:59.11`	`Cell`	`serach == Sarah , sooryy little Sahra from Dieter Bohlen`
`17:00.22`	`sussudio`	`Cell wants some good lovin' from dieter`
`17:00.26`	`Cell`	`a cool song i would play in my car all the time if i had one`
`17:08.03`	`Cell`	`i have wirtten to hoppe if he could provide me some code cause i dont want spent my whole live coding the mesh optimization stuff`
`17:09.11`	`Cell`	`even though there is a directX9.0 implementation of PM i need my own to have just more controll`
`17:10.39`	`Cell`	`the diffuclt step in creating a PM is in finding the optimal sequence of edge collapses that recover sharp features of the mesh`
`17:11.46`	`Cell`	`Hoppe uses computes for all topologically aquivalent meshes an energy value and tries to choose the one with minimal energy`
`17:12.15`	`Cell`	`since this is an NP problem it has to be solved heuristically`
`17:13.10`	`Cell`	`also he describes geomorphs that are smooth transitions between PM levels`
`17:14.14`	`Patlabor221`	`should I put a flare around the GM flame?`
`17:19.36`	`Secret_Hamster`	`what Patlabor221?`
`17:19.59`	`Patlabor221`	`well there will be a missle`
`17:20.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and a flame`
`17:20.16`	`Patlabor221`	`but I could add a flare`
`17:20.37`	`Patlabor221`	`like a spherical segment that would be between the flame and the missle`
`17:20.46`	`Patlabor221`	`let me show you.`
`17:24.09`	`Secret_Hamster`	`brb need to let dog in`
`17:24.56`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/q3weapons/wep05/missile-launcher/missile-launcher.shtml.`
`17:25.04`	`Patlabor221`	`see how there is the flame`
`17:25.06`	`stibnite`	`omg i'm going t ogo insane`
`17:25.10`	`Patlabor221`	`and then the seperate flare`
`17:25.30`	`stibnite`	`err`
`17:25.33`	`stibnite`	`MORE insane`
`17:25.36`	`Patlabor221`	`there is noting wrong with insanity, it's sanaty that should worry you`
`17:26.40`	`stibnite`	`it's no cvs that worries me`
`17:26.51`	`stibnite`	`no news!`
`17:26.52`	`stibnite`	`no update`
`17:26.54`	`stibnite`	`uggh`
`17:26.58`	`Patlabor221`	`welcome to SF`
`17:27.12`	`stibnite`	`we pay good money for that service and what do we get in return!!?`
`17:27.14`	`stibnite`	`oh wait, nm`
`17:27.17`	`Patlabor221`	`this is why I won't set up a SF acount for my stuff`
`17:27.20`	`stibnite`	`;\`
`17:27.47`	`stibnite`	`hey pat i'll trade you a kidney for a cvs tarball`
`17:28.50`	`Secret_Hamster`	`page not found`
`17:29.57`	`Patlabor221`	`well while I could use a kidney, I can't make tarballs`
`17:30.26`	`hardwire`	`?`
`17:30.26`	`Patlabor221`	`secret: I can get to that page`
`17:30.53`	`Secret_Hamster`	`ahh the . on the end confused it`
`17:31.11`	`bzgirl`	`~spell consensus`
`17:31.13`		`'consensus' may be spelled correctly`
`17:32.18`	`Secret_Hamster`	`up to you. personally I never get excited over graphics`
`17:32.53`	`Secret_Hamster`	`If it's adds to gameplay fine. Otherwise is a nicety that'll slow my system down :)`
`17:33.19`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I can't play most modern games as I can't afford the hardware for it`
`17:33.24`	`Patlabor221`	`well yes, you have that there crap card.`
`17:33.43`	`Secret_Hamster`	`and I can't afford any better. Doubt I ever will`
`17:34.09`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Personally I fed up of games that concentrate on graphics and sound rather than gameplay`
`17:34.10`	`Patlabor221`	`sure you will`
`17:34.25`	`Patlabor221`	`well I'm tweaking gameplay`
`17:34.37`	`Patlabor221`	`I personaly think the current GM obscure the view too much`
`17:34.44`	`Patlabor221`	`and it screws me up`
`17:35.01`	`Patlabor221`	`and this is to make MAC happy`
`17:35.01`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: when it's a choice between graphics card and roof over my head. roof over my head wins!`
`17:35.17`	`Patlabor221`	`this is a good choice`
`17:35.44`	`Patlabor221`	`but don't sound soo down, there is a posiblilityt that it won't stay that way forever`
`17:35.53`	`Secret_Hamster`	`pesonally I don't see why it has to be any different from the current round blobs`
`17:36.50`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: I'm out of IT. I'm applying for driving jobs now. And a few other things like, airport security`
`17:37.02`	`Patlabor221`	`given up then`
`17:37.07`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Yep`
`17:37.24`	`Secret_Hamster`	`after 6 months I've finally accepted that it was not to be`
`17:37.40`	`Patlabor221`	`you never know, I could get funding for my suppa game company, and then hire all of you.`
`17:37.41`	`Secret_Hamster`	`no matter how good I think I am`
`17:37.48`	`Secret_Hamster`	`lol`
`17:38.09`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I do have a slight line on funding.`
`17:38.20`	`Secret_Hamster`	`No investor is gonna invest in IT. They've had their fingers burnt`
`17:38.35`	`Patlabor221`	`didn't say invest in IT`
`17:38.41`	`Patlabor221`	`said invest in game company`
`17:38.57`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I worked for a ISP that was in profit. Paid off it's debts. Still went under. victim of it's own success`
`17:38.59`	`Patlabor221`	`and game company needs at least a couple IT people`
`17:39.32`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: as far as the investors are concerned IT = Games = ISP = networking`
`17:39.46`	`Secret_Hamster`	`we're all painted with the same brush`
`17:39.56`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy game industry has beem increasing for the past 3 years here`
`17:40.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I think the job climate is difrent here then there`
`17:40.28`	`Secret_Hamster`	`The ISP I worked for was in profit. It still went under`
`17:40.40`	`Patlabor221`	`I can understand the IT issue`
`17:40.46`	`Patlabor221`	`just too freaking many of them`
`17:40.49`	`Patlabor221`	`and the .com crash`
`17:40.53`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: there is no job market here`
`17:41.20`	`Secret_Hamster`	`The only place there is work is in London. And the wages they are offering are pitiful`
`17:41.24`	`*** join/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E956D0.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`17:41.30`	`Patlabor221`	`that sucks`
`17:41.38`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I couldn't afford to move or commute down there`
`17:41.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello`
`17:41.53`	`sussudio`	`lo pigtree`
`17:41.54`	`bzgirl`	`hello teatree`
`17:41.54`	`Patlabor221`	`there are programing positons out here that arn't filled due to lack of qualified people`
`17:41.58`	`Patlabor221`	`ott many people know IT.`
`17:42.03`	`Patlabor221`	`too not ott`
`17:42.04`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I mean they are offering �30k for team leader roles`
`17:42.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hey bzgirl , sussudio try to read propaly`
`17:42.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`17:42.50`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: your wrong. To many people have mickey mouse certs in IT. with no experience. The managers have no idea how to recruit GOOD staff`
`17:42.58`	`Secret_Hamster`	`so they just employ the cheapest`
`17:43.10`	`bzgirl`	`hello [TeA\|TrEE]`
`17:43.16`	`bzgirl`	`beeter?`
`17:43.19`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hi <insert your nick here>, how are your how's the <wife/dog/hamster/kids>. I'm fine, yea really`
`17:43.28`	`Patlabor221`	`here I mean we have too many people who don't know how to do app progrmaing, cus they all know "networking"`
`17:43.50`	`Patlabor221`	`wether they are good at it or not dosn't mater, we don't need any more networking people`
`17:43.50`	`sussudio`	`~spell propaly`
`17:43.56`		`possible spellings for propaly: properly propel prepay propels pronely propane proposal proudly props priorly poplar porously prop replay papally people propeller ripely ripply panoply prepays primal primly triply promptly papal probably provably prowl pupal reply prickly primely privily property`
`17:43.56`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`bzgirl , i ment sussudio , tea ore tea\|tree is no problem lol`
`17:44.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`but i dont like pigtree`
`17:44.08`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Yep, I admit, I know nothing about programming or web desing. But I can build and maintain networks easy`
`17:44.14`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`17:44.24`	`sussudio`	`propanepigtree`
`17:44.28`	`bzgirl`	`tea: i wouldnt like that either`
`17:44.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`17:44.38`	`Secret_Hamster`	`The problem is all the other redundant net engineers from all the other crashed ISPs also do too`
`17:46.04`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I have to admit, I pretty bitter too. The employment agency has been no help at all`
`17:46.51`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I've been trying to retrain for the past 3 months. but all they say is well we have a few courses. All they have available is basic intros to computing`
`17:47.21`	`Secret_Hamster`	`They are no real help, just there to police benefit payments.`
`17:48.01`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I dont see why it takes so may of them. Everytime I've been there the staff outnumber the claiments by at least 2:1`
`17:48.41`	`Secret_Hamster`	`time for tea. cya laterz`
`17:51.38`	`Patlabor221`	`you could get a job there.`
`17:52.06`	`Hamster_afk`	`job where?`
`17:52.20`	`Hamster_afk`	`oh the job centre`
`17:52.42`	`Hamster_afk`	`perhaps. already looking at customs.`
`17:52.55`	`Hamster_afk`	`gone`
`18:04.01`	`sussudio`	`lalala`
`18:06.42`	`bzdoug_`	`Patlabor221: those ebooks I read ARE free...`
`18:07.01`	`Patlabor221`	`huh?`
`18:07.15`	`Patlabor221`	`never said you were stealing books`
`18:07.23`	`bzdoug_`	`huh`
`18:07.28`	`Patlabor221`	`just that you should buy some too, so that autors make more`
`18:07.36`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`18:07.45`	`bzdoug_`	`but why would I buy the books if I read them?`
`18:07.46`	`Patlabor221`	`tho you are stealing music`
`18:08.08`	`Patlabor221`	`I didn't say the same books`
`18:08.16`	`bzdoug_`	`most the music I listen to is mp3s of records`
`18:08.36`	`Patlabor221`	`don't the authors make non free stuff too?`
`18:08.37`	`Patlabor221`	`right`
`18:08.53`	`Patlabor221`	`just cus it was on a record dosn't mean your not stealing it.`
`18:09.02`	`Patlabor221`	`acording to the DMCA`
`18:10.13`	`Patlabor221`	`yes he has a digital copy of a musical peice he did not purchase.`
`18:10.39`	`sussudio`	`you're just twisting it`
`18:10.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and I never said it was wrong :)`
`18:10.52`	`Patlabor221`	`most courts are twisting it,`
`18:10.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it's BAD law`
`18:11.01`	`Patlabor221`	`and needs to be changed`
`18:11.24`	`Patlabor221`	`screws up researchers and all kinds of people right now`
`18:12.01`	`Patlabor221`	`but I also buy some too`
`18:12.14`	`Patlabor221`	`doug is just a leech :)`
`18:12.29`	`sussudio`	`doug is a piiiiiiiiig`
`18:12.45`	`Patlabor221`	`leech pig`
`18:12.46`	`sussudio`	`i'm looking for some stuff that isnt even available anymore`
`18:12.51`	`sussudio`	`ANYWHERE`
`18:12.58`	`sussudio`	`so is it bad if i get it off kazaa?`
`18:12.59`	`Patlabor221`	`"oinkSuck"`
`18:13.04`	`sussudio`	`if i actually OWNED it before?`
`18:13.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I say no.`
`18:13.14`	`sussudio`	`it got lost in a move :-P`
`18:13.33`	`Patlabor221`	`tho if you pissed of a recod company, they would say that you were breaking it.`
`18:13.38`	`Patlabor221`	`they are lawsuit happy`
`18:13.44`	`sussudio`	`there's a box of LP's somewhere.... who knows where`
`18:13.57`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah, I look for old stuff all the time too.`
`18:13.59`	`sussudio`	`fuck them....`
`18:14.17`	`sussudio`	`i have 800 12" singles and 300 LP's, 1200 CD Singles and 300 CD"s`
`18:14.17`	`Patlabor221`	`having a bitch of a time finding some old outa print books, would be nice if I could find them online`
`18:14.23`	`sussudio`	`i think i've bought enough of their crap.`
`18:14.28`	`Patlabor221`	`exactly`
`18:14.48`	`sussudio`	`i have some 7" singles somewhere but can't find them`
`18:14.56`	`Patlabor221`	`moslty it's just to mess with the pigleech :)`
`18:15.22`	`sussudio`	`not to mention i was really really disappointed in the filler on most cd's`
`18:15.44`	`sussudio`	`$20 for 2 or 3 songs you want`
`18:16.13`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm realy disapointed in the quality of some of the rips we get, I mean come on take some pride in your piracy`
`18:16.46`	`sussudio`	`~lart xing`
`18:17.36`	`Patlabor221`	`and I can't get anyone to do some nice oggs cus "musicmatch won't do it".`
`18:18.12`	`sussudio`	`bah musicmatch`
`18:18.15`	`sussudio`	`let them use EAC`
`18:18.17`	`sussudio`	`bastards`
`18:18.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I know`
`18:18.26`	`Patlabor221`	`well it's them that does it`
`18:18.39`	`Patlabor221`	`there are some nice ogg ripers`
`18:19.01`	`Patlabor221`	`that do a full CD, get the info from CDDB and encode well.`
`18:19.08`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what I use for new stuff.`
`18:19.30`	`sussudio`	`use eac with -q6 -N "%N" -t "%T" -l "%L" -a "%A" -G "%l" and oggenc.exe`
`18:19.41`	`sussudio`	`took me about a week to get that commandline right`
`18:19.49`	`sussudio`	`bleh cddb :-P`
`18:19.53`	`sussudio`	`spelling errors`
`18:20.07`	`Patlabor221`	`you asume that we use the "secondary developemnt platform" here.`
`18:20.14`	`Patlabor221`	`there is a free one`
`18:20.24`	`Patlabor221`	`like freeddb or something like that`
`18:20.28`	`Patlabor221`	`I think that's what it uses`
`18:20.28`	`sussudio`	`no`
`18:20.32`	`sussudio`	`just type it in yourself`
`18:20.45`	`sussudio`	`that's what i did... for like 9000 tracks`
`18:20.51`	`Patlabor221`	`you think I could get less spelling errors?`
`18:20.56`	`Patlabor221`	`look how I type here :)`
`18:21.02`	`sussudio`	`hmm you may have a point`
`18:21.05`	`Patlabor221`	`I'll take my chances with the DBs`
`18:21.09`	`sussudio`	`well it took me 4 months including ripping`
`18:21.13`	`Patlabor221`	`offfta`
`18:42.11`	`Hamster_afk`	`Patlabor221: what do you do for a living?`
`18:42.19`	`Patlabor221`	`programer`
`18:42.38`	`Patlabor221`	`little bit of web work and building of hardware on the side.`
`18:42.40`	`Secret_Hamster`	`general, or any specific area?`
`18:43.00`	`Patlabor221`	`at this job, I work on a CAD/CAM system`
`18:43.10`	`Patlabor221`	`but I have done progrmaing an a number of areas`
`18:43.23`	`Secret_Hamster`	`the only stuff I've seen advertised in my area is DBA and web work`
`18:43.40`	`Patlabor221`	`I find it's bad to limit yourself and say "well I am only a graphics progrmaer"`
`18:44.17`	`Secret_Hamster`	`yea can understand that. Just wondered how the graphics stuff you are doing fitted into the bigger picture`
`18:44.57`	`Secret_Hamster`	`jeez undernet is lagging. server ping == 5 seconds`
`18:45.15`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I think there now getting fallout attacks from dalnet`
`18:47.30`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I do a fair amount of graphics stuff here, part of our product is a real time open GL machine visualisation`
`18:47.35`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a LOT like a game`
`18:47.49`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy it uses an olderversion of my game OpenGL lib`
`18:48.34`	`Patlabor221`	`there's my desk`
`18:48.35`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/webcam.html`
`18:48.57`	`bzdoug_`	`work?`
`18:49.02`	`Patlabor221`	`ya`
`18:49.06`	`Patlabor221`	`#1`
`18:49.06`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`18:49.14`	`bzdoug_`	`ahhh`
`18:49.20`	`bzdoug_`	`bakadigital is at work`
`18:49.25`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`18:49.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I've told you that before`
`18:49.36`	`bzdoug_`	`along with redunded network systems... :P`
`18:49.39`	`Patlabor221`	`it's our testing webserver`
`18:49.40`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`18:50.00`	`Patlabor221`	`our IS's test server takes a crap all the time`
`18:50.06`	`bzdoug_`	`heh`
`18:50.15`	`Patlabor221`	`so we set up our own, to do our deve web projects`
`18:50.42`	`Patlabor221`	`desk`
`18:55.24`	`Secret_Hamster`	`looks cool and fun work. makes me feel even worse`
`18:56.48`	`*** join/#bzflag BeZee (BeZee@pD9E49588.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:57.33`	`*** join/#bzflag rembo (~remco@seesink.kabel.utwente.nl)`
`18:57.48`	`rembo`	`any one with ducati admin rights in here?`
`18:58.08`	`Secret_Hamster`	`there a cheater there huh`
`18:58.13`	`rembo`	`yep`
`18:58.19`	`rembo`	`nat least I think so`
`18:58.24`	`Secret_Hamster`	`~ducatictf`
`18:58.32`	`rembo`	`everybody seems to think so`
`18:58.44`	`Secret_Hamster`	`~ducati`
`18:58.52`	`rembo`	`Mario`
`18:59.06`	`Secret_Hamster`	`what's he doing?`
`18:59.19`	`Secret_Hamster`	`or she :)`
`18:59.20`	`rembo`	`nanyway, someone might want to write down his ip, to see if it happens again`
`18:59.25`	`rembo`	`nignoring shots`
`18:59.31`	`Secret_Hamster`	`have you got it to hands`
`18:59.33`	`rembo`	`i was following him in observer mode`
`18:59.44`	`rembo`	`was pretty clear, no lag or lost packages`
`18:59.49`	`Secret_Hamster`	`his ip I mean`
`18:59.52`	`rembo`	`nno`
`18:59.57`	`rembo`	`i don;t know the command`
`19:00.04`	`rembo`	`or I don;t have the rights`
`19:00.16`	`Secret_Hamster`	`rembo: I was having the same problem with someone doing that yesterday`
`19:00.27`	`Secret_Hamster`	`can't remember myself actually`
`19:00.45`	`rembo`	`he didn't want to comment about it`
`19:00.57`	`Patlabor221`	`CLIENTINFO`
`19:01.02`	`rembo`	`just asked if something was wrong with his client after a discussion of 5 minutes or so`
`19:01.10`	`rembo`	`let me check`
`19:01.36`	`rembo`	`that didn't work`
`19:01.47`	`rembo`	`CLIENTQUERY doesn't help`
`19:01.57`	`Patlabor221`	`ick then I don't know ether`
`19:02.11`	`Secret_Hamster`	`can anyone remember the site with the stats on?`
`19:02.33`	`Patlabor221`	`stats.bzflag.org?`
`19:02.59`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hum okay i'll have a look`
`19:03.32`	`Secret_Hamster`	`indeedy doody your right`
`19:04.05`	`rembo`	`it doens't show ip`
`19:04.46`	`Secret_Hamster`	`no darn`
`19:05.09`	`rembo`	`cools ite. didn't know it existed`
`19:05.48`	`Patlabor221`	`now where is MAC when I need him?`
`19:06.12`	`rembo`	`I'll go back to ducati. can't let cheaters steal my gametime :)`
`19:06.15`	`rembo`	`cu`
`19:06.34`	`Secret_Hamster`	`lol we'll keep a note`
`19:06.57`	`rembo`	`ok :)`
`19:07.45`	`Secret_Hamster`	`the command is playerlist. but you need admin rights`
`19:10.20`	`*** join/#bzflag Cell (~booble@p50803562.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`19:10.24`	`Cell`	`lo`
`19:10.52`	`Cell`	`took you so long to make the player stats different colors. he?`
`19:11.02`	`Cell`	`you loosers`
`19:11.23`	`Patlabor221`	`least we have code`
`19:11.29`	`Cell`	`lol, k`
`19:12.11`	`Cell`	`IMHO you are loosers anyway`
`19:12.33`	`Patlabor221`	`your O is not H`
`19:12.49`	`Patlabor221`	`but everyone is allowed an O`
`19:12.59`	`Cell`	`right`
`19:13.20`	`Cell`	`looser baby`
`19:13.33`	`Cell`	`rofl`
`19:13.40`	`Patlabor221`	`and I've lost because I have a job?`
`19:14.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and what did I lose?`
`19:14.05`	`Patlabor221`	`and who won?`
`19:14.14`	`Cell`	`i dont know`
`19:14.22`	`Patlabor221`	`and what is the prize?`
`19:14.29`	`Cell`	`but you can win if you want`
`19:14.43`	`Patlabor221`	`I didn't know it was a contest`
`19:14.45`	`Cell`	`from Dieter Bohlen`
`19:14.51`	`Patlabor221`	`but then you said I was loser.`
`19:15.22`	`Cell`	`You can win if you want, or brother Loui Loui`
`19:15.40`	`Patlabor221`	`naw I'd rather ref.`
`19:15.50`	`Cell`	`ref?`
`19:16.34`	`Cell`	`lamer`
`19:16.53`	`Patlabor221`	`no a referee.`
`19:16.58`	`Cell`	`you are as lame as Hoppe`
`19:17.17`	`Patlabor221`	`the indians of the southwestern US were lame?`
`19:17.47`	`Cell`	`yes`
`19:17.53`	`Patlabor221`	`I see.`
`19:18.14`	`Patlabor221`	`as lame as DBZ? or lamer?`
`19:18.27`	`Cell`	`can someone kick me plz!`
`19:18.35`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`19:18.38`	`scanline`	`~lart Cell`
`19:18.40`	`Cell`	`lamer`
`19:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`scanline how's it going.`
`19:19.23`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: not bad... though I just got back from my "astronomy" lab. This introductory astronomy course makes me feel like I'm a freshman in high school...`
`19:19.35`	`Cell`	`i wonder if nvidia will support gemetry images?`
`19:19.42`	`Patlabor221`	`"these are stars"`
`19:20.07`	`Secret_Hamster`	`lol @ Patlabor221. I have Cell on ignore. You looked mighty odd talking to yourself`
`19:20.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm sure I did`
`19:20.25`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: the second day of class, he spent an absurd amount of time trying to explain that the stars' motion we see is the earth rotating, rather than the rest of the universe`
`19:20.29`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221> least we have code`
`19:20.29`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> your O is not H`
`19:20.29`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> but everyone is allowed an O`
`19:20.29`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> and I've lost because I have a job?`
`19:20.29`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> and what did I lose?`
`19:20.30`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> and who won?`
`19:20.32`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> and what is the prize?`
`19:20.35`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> I didn't know it was a contest`
`19:20.36`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> but then you said I was loser.`
`19:20.38`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> naw I'd rather ref.`
`19:20.40`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> no a referee.`
`19:20.42`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> the indians of the southwestern US were lame?`
`19:20.44`	`Secret_Hamster`	`<Patlabor221> I see.`
`19:20.45`	`Patlabor221`	`ok , man`
`19:20.49`	`Secret_Hamster`	`phew, thought migh have got kicked for flooding :)`
`19:20.54`	`Cell`	`Secret_Hamster: you are so cool`
`19:21.07`	`Cell`	`lol`
`19:21.23`	`Patlabor221`	`scanline: he had to explaing to people that?`
`19:21.36`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: uh huh... and he apparently thought half the class wouldn't believe him`
`19:21.44`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh god`
`19:21.46`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: I almost nibbled my own foot off`
`19:21.57`	`Patlabor221`	`was he afraid of being called a heretic?`
`19:22.05`	`scanline`	`who knows`
`19:22.07`	`Cell`	`is here someone from greyscull?`
`19:22.16`	`scanline`	`pistachioleron was there too.. though I think all his limbs are intact`
`19:22.45`	`Patlabor221`	`you guys need laptops with bluetooth so you can play something`
`19:22.55`	`scanline`	`I have a laptop with 802.11b`
`19:22.58`	`scanline`	`he has no laptop`
`19:23.05`	`Secret_Hamster`	`bluetooth sux`
`19:23.21`	`Patlabor221`	`perhps but it usualy seems to work.`
`19:23.22`	`Secret_Hamster`	`complete waste of research`
`19:23.27`	`scanline`	`bluetooth looks promising for cell phones.. but since I own no cellphone I'm happy with 802.11 :)`
`19:23.39`	`Cell`	`i set you all on my ignore list!!!`
`19:23.51`	`Patlabor221`	`thank you cell.`
`19:24.01`	`Patlabor221`	`is cap back yet?`
`19:24.09`	`*** part/#bzflag Cell (~booble@p50803562.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`19:24.29`	`Secret_Hamster`	`but would you want your mobile phone to be at the beck and call of anyone withing 10m?`
`19:24.33`	`scanline`	`don't think so.. I peeked in his room on the way back from class, and only lurgyman was present`
`19:24.52`	`scanline`	`Secret_Hamster: doesn't bluetooth have some security?`
`19:24.53`	`Patlabor221`	`so scanline, wana make an app for me with pico :)`
`19:24.58`	`scanline`	`haha`
`19:25.00`	`scanline`	`what for?`
`19:25.03`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I have a phone with bluetooth. turned it of as soon as I turned it on`
`19:25.10`	`Patlabor221`	`creating UVs on models`
`19:25.21`	`Secret_Hamster`	`scanline: bluetooth has No security what so ever`
`19:25.38`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: you could probably do that with picogui and opengl, but I'd rather work on something more interesting :)`
`19:25.46`	`Secret_Hamster`	`that's the whole point. It provides quick and dirty ad-hoc networks`
`19:25.51`	`scanline`	`ah`
`19:26.04`	`*** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~c72ec6e9@203.194.240.139)`
`19:26.08`	`Patlabor221`	`I know it could be done with open GL and pico, but I want to work on something more interesting too :)`
`19:26.10`	`scanline`	`hiya fiberchunks`
`19:26.15`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: hehe`
`19:26.18`	`fiberchunks`	`lo all`
`19:26.18`	`Patlabor221`	`sup fiber.`
`19:26.25`	`Secret_Hamster`	`the idea is you can quickly pickup anything in range and start using it`
`19:26.26`	`sussudio`	`lo chunks...... someone called you a cheater on bzboard`
`19:26.34`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: well, a quick way might be to learn Blender's python scripting and write some plugins for that`
`19:26.45`	`fiberchunks`	`which - the old ezboard?`
`19:26.49`	`sussudio`	`no, yours`
`19:26.50`	`Patlabor221`	`or jsut continue to use this NST`
`19:26.55`	`Secret_Hamster`	`scanline: hey you know anything about Blender?`
`19:27.10`	`fiberchunks`	`interesting -- what thread?`
`19:27.15`	`scanline`	`Secret_Hamster: I know some about it's UI, and I know that I want to learn it, but I don't know how to use it yet`
`19:27.16`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy I want to look at blender again to see how it does it's UVmaps.`
`19:27.32`	`Patlabor221`	`last I looked it just had simple sphere and planar stuff.`
`19:27.32`	`sussudio`	`lemmesee.`
`19:27.53`	`Secret_Hamster`	`that's my problem too. I', reading the user guide. But it's not very informative, and half written as far as I can see.`
`19:27.54`	`sussudio`	`it was about a week ago i think`
`19:27.57`	`Patlabor221`	`was it me? cus I'll call anyone a cheater for $19.95!!!!!!`
`19:28.00`	`fiberchunks`	`I started getting into vector and matrix math as a result of interest from here -- good stuff :)`
`19:28.17`	`scanline`	`linear algebra can do anything, even make toast`
`19:28.23`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`19:33.10`	`sussudio`	`http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=271&highlight=jumping+rate`
`19:34.47`	`fiberchunks`	`sussudio: you mean KR?`
`19:34.54`	`sussudio`	`yeah`
`19:35.14`	`fiberchunks`	`he was commenting (I think), on my ability to jump up and smack him before he was able to fire a shot off`
`19:35.28`	`sussudio`	`" AFA getting a better, higher jump, Fiberchunks has that one figured out, and killed me with it the other day (some people just can't let it go when you kill them icon_smile.gif )... "`
`19:36.00`	`fiberchunks`	`heh, yeah, he was talking about when he first started, and was able to kill me a whole bunch of times`
`19:36.01`	`sussudio`	`i think he was refering to somehow manipulating settings so that the framerate makes you jump higher or something`
`19:36.33`	`fiberchunks`	`nah -- he and I were taunting each other a while ago on turkey`
`19:37.14`	`sussudio`	`some people have really oddly behaving g0 clients`
`19:37.22`	`sussudio`	`you notice it most on ducati`
`19:37.27`	`sussudio`	`shots just go through`
`19:37.33`	`bzgirl`	`maybe they lag?`
`19:37.36`	`sussudio`	`no`
`19:37.39`	`sussudio`	`i checked for that`
`19:37.46`	`sussudio`	`either that or the lagtime isnt returned properly`
`19:38.04`	`bzgirl`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:38.12`	`bzgirl`	`or just seems that way to me`
`19:38.17`	`sussudio`	`it's Gil and some other players`
`19:38.34`	`sussudio`	`and i see some skipping across the field with supposed lags of 80ms`
`19:38.47`	`isfry`	`only of them might be my boss we have a buggy firewall set up here that makes bz do wried stuff after a while`
`19:39.08`	`fiberchunks`	`so I locked and moved that hacker / imposter thread to a new "Attic" forum that I created ... I may eventually delete it entirely --`
`19:39.24`	`isfry`	`he ends up getting killed by <unknowns> and can't pick up flags`
`19:39.28`	`sussudio`	`yeah, just replace it with "Dervish did it"`
`19:39.37`	`fiberchunks`	`don't start`
`19:39.55`	`fiberchunks`	`that damned thing is making my head hurt`
`19:40.15`	`bzgirl`	`fiberchunks: you read the old forum right?`
`19:40.19`	`bzgirl`	`EZ?`
`19:40.26`	`fiberchunks`	`bout what?`
`19:40.37`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah, I used to read it`
`19:40.42`	`sussudio`	`grmpf`
`19:40.46`	`bzgirl`	`the last few weeks of it, it just sort of degenerated`
`19:40.59`	`sussudio`	`Dervish's personal "I'll delete messages if i don't like them" EZBoard`
`19:41.04`	`bzgirl`	`mudslinging and stuff`
`19:41.14`	`fiberchunks`	`yes, I'm hoping to entirely avoid that type of thing...`
`19:41.27`	`isfry`	`yeah i rember that it was funny in a way but also sad`
`19:41.37`	`fiberchunks`	`sussudio: that's why I created the 'attic' forum -- an archive of sorts -- but no editing or posting allowed`
`19:41.56`	`fiberchunks`	`and only viewable by registered folk`
`19:42.05`	`isfry`	`where old posts go to die`
`19:42.15`	`fiberchunks`	`precisely`
`19:43.06`	`fiberchunks`	`so anyway, what's new in the world?`
`19:43.08`	`fiberchunks`	`I'`
`19:43.18`	`fiberchunks`	`damned web-client`
`19:44.04`	`stibnite`	`fibah you see my post?`
`19:44.15`	`fiberchunks`	`not sure -- which one?`
`19:44.25`	`sussudio`	`stibnite: is hashmark your own connection?`
`19:44.29`	`stibnite`	`server forums`
`19:44.39`	`stibnite`	`sussudio: my own? no i guess it's shared`
`19:44.46`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah`
`19:44.47`	`sussudio`	`it was lagging like a mofo earlier`
`19:45.00`	`stibnite`	`yeah, that's not the connection`
`19:45.08`	`sussudio`	`not?`
`19:45.12`	`stibnite`	`it's a problem bzfs has`
`19:45.18`	`sussudio`	`hmz`
`19:45.28`	`stibnite`	`bzfs freaks out and uses tons of cpu`
`19:45.30`	`stibnite`	`then it stops`
`19:45.33`	`stibnite`	`then it starts again`
`19:45.50`	`stibnite`	`and while it freaks out, client connects get way laggy`
`19:46.04`	`sussudio`	`:-P~~`
`19:46.06`	`stibnite`	`the actual connection to the box is extremely speedy`
`19:46.18`	`stibnite`	`limited only by the ethernet card`
`19:46.44`	`stibnite`	`i've been trying to fix the bzfs too`
`19:46.56`	`stibnite`	`but cvs has been down for 3 days now.`
`19:46.58`	`stibnite`	`and i weep`
`19:47.23`	`stibnite`	`http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=280`
`19:47.24`	`fiberchunks`	`my new laptop is on the way :)`
`19:47.29`	`stibnite`	`that't the one. :)`
`19:47.49`	`fiberchunks`	`saw that -- nice format :)`
`19:48.26`	`fiberchunks`	`think I'll change my initial post to try and reflect that format -- easy on the eyeballs`
`19:48.41`	`stibnite`	`thanks!`
`19:48.58`	`stibnite`	`that is really flattering, since in general i format perl better than prose. :D`
`19:55.02`	`fiberchunks`	`alright, I'm at work testing now, so I suppose I'll boogie -- have a good day / afternoon / night yall, I'll speak at ya later ;)`
`19:55.33`	`fiberchunks`	`plus, I hate this web-client interface -- ugh`
`19:55.46`	`fiberchunks`	`ciao`
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`20:03.43`	`Secret_Hamster`	`how shit. You have to get a gamespy account to download anything anyone has posted.`
`20:04.15`	`Secret_Hamster`	`I don't play any of the games why can't I just download stuff people have posted?`
`20:04.42`	`pistachioleron`	`so they can resell your personal information`
`20:04.55`	`scanline`	`morning mr. pistachio`
`20:05.05`	`pistachioleron`	`scanline: http://www.cofradia.org/images/frodo-has-failed.jpg`
`20:05.11`	`pistachioleron`	`mornin!`
`20:05.13`	`Secret_Hamster`	`huh, I get enough spam as it is`
`20:05.41`	`scanline`	`hehe, that's a good one`
`20:08.18`	`scanline`	`http://picogui.org/download/flux_capacitor.png`
`20:12.40`	`pistachioleron`	`:)`
`20:16.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`20:17.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org:59999`
`20:17.05`		`i haven't a clue, [TeA\|TrEE]`
`20:17.19`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:59999`
`20:17.47`	`scanline`	`I wonder if my professor will show up today...`
`20:22.15`	`pistachioleron`	`what class?`
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`20:23.47`	`scanline`	`"computer performance modeling"`
`20:24.51`	`pistachioleron`	`sounds...fun?`
`20:25.10`	`scanline`	`yeah..`
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`20:39.07`	`MortimeR`	`who is playing on 59999?`
`20:40.15`	`bzgirl`	`ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:59999`
`20:43.54`	`Secret_Hamster`	`anyone know of a nice bzflag icon for my menu?`
`20:49.47`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hum what's the +\|-x and +\|-y do on the -geometry setting?`
`20:52.00`	`bzgirl`	`sets the window size you play in i think`
`20:53.46`	`Patlabor221`	`I could make you a PNG of the windows BZ icon`
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`20:55.42`	`MortimeR`	`oh, there is a windows BZ icon`
`20:55.54`	`Patlabor221`	`sure built into the app`
`20:56.23`	`MortimeR`	`and for linux?`
`20:56.39`	`Patlabor221`	`seems there is no real standard way, so no`
`20:59.05`	`Secret_Hamster`	`yea but whats the +x mean?`
`20:59.17`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Ps the -team option appears not to work?`
`21:00.03`	`Patlabor221`	`-geometry 800x600`
`21:00.09`	`Secret_Hamster`	`or do you have to actually belong to the team`
`21:00.13`	`Patlabor221`	`that would make your window 800 by 600`
`21:00.44`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: yea I know that bit but the man page also spcifies a +\|-x (and y) option too for that`
`21:00.51`	`Patlabor221`	`if you want a png of the windows icon, I put it up at http://www.bakadigital.com/bz/bzicon.png`
`21:01.00`	`Secret_Hamster`	`thx`
`21:01.07`	`Patlabor221`	`odd, didn't know that was there`
`21:01.10`	`Patlabor221`	`dono`
`21:01.18`	`Secret_Hamster`	`-geometry widthxheight[{+\|-}x{+\|-}y]`
`21:01.23`	`Secret_Hamster`	`there from the man page`
`21:01.39`	`Patlabor221`	`most porbably window position`
`21:01.51`	`Secret_Hamster`	`or flipping?`
`21:02.00`	`Patlabor221`	`like -geomtetry 800x600+25+15`
`21:02.04`	`Secret_Hamster`	`lets try huh`
`21:02.06`	`davel`	`hey guys, that's the standard X "geometry"`
`21:02.20`	`davel`	`so the last two are for x/y window position`
`21:02.36`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: so you were right`
`21:02.47`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like it`
`21:02.59`	`Patlabor221`	`tho it realy should just remember it's pos`
`21:03.33`	`davel`	`i've noticed that even though it's in a window, the rest of the desktop is still completely unavailable`
`21:03.46`	`Patlabor221`	`on what OS?`
`21:03.47`	`Secret_Hamster`	`Patlabor221: excellent png works fine`
`21:04.06`	`davel`	`running linux/xfree4`
`21:04.10`	`Patlabor221`	`I need to make some larger versions of those Icons at some point.`
`21:04.22`	`Patlabor221`	`odd, on windows you can go to the rest of the desktop`
`21:04.35`	`Secret_Hamster`	`that ones fine. All you do is click on it. You never look at it`
`21:04.46`	`Patlabor221`	`probably does it tho so a accedetnal click out the window don't lose focus.`
`21:05.08`	`Patlabor221`	`well it may look streched if you don't run your icons at 32x32`
`21:05.21`	`Patlabor221`	`and windows can take up to 64x64 now`
`21:05.24`	`davel`	`if i recall, you completely lose the mouse outside the window. let me try here...`
`21:05.56`	`Patlabor221`	`on linux I think that's true, on windows, a click outside pauses and minimizes the app`
`21:06.05`	`Patlabor221`	`that's how I debug all the time.`
`21:06.27`	`MortimeR`	`davel: if you pauses, you can go out the window. I think`
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`21:06.58`	`Patlabor221`	`should probably make the win version capture the mouse to keep that same behavor`
`21:08.35`	`davel`	`on linux/xfree4, i ran 'bzflag -geometry 640x480+200+200' with the results of the entire desktop changing resolution down, bzflag appearing ina window, and bzflag locking up (which is unrelated)`
`21:08.58`	`davel`	`Patlabor221: that would be a nice behaviour for windows`
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`21:09.35`	`davel`	`nothing enrages me more than swinging around, clicking to shoot, and the entire window disappearing because i clicked outside :)`
`21:09.41`	`Patlabor221`	`do -window too`
`21:10.01`	`Patlabor221`	`bzflagZ.exe -window -geometry 320x200+200+200`
`21:10.19`	`Patlabor221`	`does a window 320 by 200 at X200 Y200`
`21:10.21`	`Patlabor221`	`for me`
`21:11.14`	`davel`	`that did it, and no lockup. thanks. odd i missed that.`
`21:11.47`	`davel`	`and yes, a pause "uncaptures" the window`
`21:12.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`21:14.06`	`Patlabor221`	`now PVP was very funny today`
`21:22.33`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: bzflag:zero needs a video capture :)`
`21:22.54`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be keen`
`21:23.04`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, snow`
`21:23.05`	`bzdoug_`	`its sticking too`
`21:23.18`	`Patlabor221`	`needs a general wraper around opeing FILES too.`
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`21:23.33`	`bzdoug_`	`keen?`
`21:23.37`	`bzdoug_`	`~dict keen`
`21:23.42`	`Patlabor221`	`keen!!`
`21:23.45`	`scanline`	`wonder how much work it would take to suck the video capture code from jetstream into bzflag...`
`21:23.56`	`Patlabor221`	`how does it read the screen?`
`21:24.05`	`scanline`	`pure OpenGL calls`
`21:24.07`	`Patlabor221`	`just redirect the GL output to a bitmap?`
`21:24.15`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`21:24.18`	`Patlabor221`	`or glgetPixels?`
`21:24.22`	`bzdoug_`	`almost like cheating`
`21:24.38`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: yes, but with an intermediate stop in a texture to do hardware accelerated resizing`
`21:24.38`	`Patlabor221`	`do you make another context?`
`21:24.52`	`Patlabor221`	`what one? the read pixels?`
`21:25.06`	`scanline`	`glReadPixels`
`21:25.20`	`Patlabor221`	`ok then that should go into bz not to bad`
`21:25.33`	`Patlabor221`	`your not makeing another context or anything`
`21:25.39`	`scanline`	`yeah, the video recorder itself should be pretty much a drop-in replacement, it just needs some hooks to control frame rate`
`21:25.50`	`scanline`	`but the UI for it would be hard in bzflag's system probably`
`21:26.01`	`Patlabor221`	`most likey`
`21:26.18`	`Patlabor221`	`bz loved to jack with the gl state`
`21:26.47`	`scanline`	`well, that shouldn't be a problem except maybe for the resizing`
`21:27.31`	`scanline`	`You could just switch to picogui menus in bz:zero ;)`
`21:27.54`	`Patlabor221`	`does the theme loader work in windows?`
`21:28.10`	`Patlabor221`	`I had thought about doing that`
`21:28.13`	`scanline`	`theme loader shouldn't be an issue, since it doesn't do anything OS-specific`
`21:28.24`	`Patlabor221`	`like FILE IO?`
`21:28.27`	`scanline`	`picogui would need a handful of OS-specific functions written for windows though`
`21:28.31`	`Patlabor221`	`or do you feed it the data for the file`
`21:28.34`	`Patlabor221`	`like?`
`21:28.35`	`scanline`	`the theme loader doesn't do file I/O really...`
`21:28.50`	`scanline`	`pgserver does very little file I/O... plain reading/writing is done with stdio`
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`21:29.03`	`scanline`	`it does need an OS-specific function for recursively scanning a directory tree`
`21:29.14`	`Patlabor221`	`my class does that`
`21:29.20`	`Patlabor221`	`COSDir.`
`21:29.34`	`scanline`	`well, that wouldn't be good to use from pgserver...`
`21:29.37`	`scanline`	`pgserver is written in C`
`21:29.50`	`Patlabor221`	`well the code could be yanked`
`21:29.58`	`Patlabor221`	`I just put it in a class`
`21:30.01`	`Patlabor221`	`for ease of use`
`21:30.15`	`Patlabor221`	`all my other classes that read files use it.`
`21:30.19`	`scanline`	`If you're serious about it, you could look at the list of OS-specific functions in include/pgserver/os.h`
`21:30.22`	`Patlabor221`	`nice to have it abastracted in one spot`
`21:30.32`	`scanline`	`but for use in bzflag, you'd probably want a C++ client library.. that'd be a bit more work`
`21:30.39`	`Patlabor221`	`I will be seriouse about it when I get to the menu`
`21:30.59`	`scanline`	`jetstream doesn't need a C++ client lib since it does everything from python, but I doubt you want to pythonize bz:zero yet :)`
`21:31.24`	`Patlabor221`	`don't think I'll ever get to yet`
`21:31.40`	`scanline`	`the build system right now is also very linux-centric, but I'm planning on redoing that in SCons pretty soon`
`21:32.07`	`MortimeR`	`~ducatictf`
`21:32.10`	`scanline`	`what, no moving platform levels written in python with 100% unicode support? :)`
`21:32.19`	`Patlabor221`	`will that make a clicky thingy I can use on the Prefered Develeopenmnt System?`
`21:32.38`	`scanline`	`clicky thingy eh?`
`21:32.46`	`Patlabor221`	`no, I don't want map editors to have to script everything`
`21:32.53`	`Patlabor221`	`DSW`
`21:32.55`	`Patlabor221`	`DSP`
`21:33.04`	`Patlabor221`	`or .sln if I must`
`21:33.16`	`scanline`	`I doubt it will be visual-studio-friendly, since it has to do a lot of custom configuration and building before it can compile`
`21:33.33`	`scanline`	`but that's not important, since you only want to compile pgserver, not develop for it :P`
`21:33.37`	`Patlabor221`	`well then that suxors`
`21:33.47`	`Patlabor221`	`this is true`
`21:33.56`	`Patlabor221`	`all I need is a .lib and some H files`
`21:34.06`	`scanline`	`Visual studio is compatible with exactly nothing, so there's no point in trying to support it`
`21:34.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I heard there was somehting that would make DSWs and DSPs from another common build system`
`21:34.44`	`Patlabor221`	`would also make makefiels and what have you.`
`21:34.58`	`scanline`	`SCons uses python for the entire build process`
`21:35.03`	`Patlabor221`	`but perhpas I was just dreaming`
`21:35.15`	`Patlabor221`	`dsp's arn't hard to write`
`21:35.47`	`Patlabor221`	`we have adins that make them to do some of our comonents and set up all kinds of premake/post make rules.`
`21:35.49`	`scanline`	`Can you write a dsw/dsp thing that can compile themes, WTs, and fonts?`
`21:35.55`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`21:36.12`	`Patlabor221`	`as long as there is a compiler comonent for the lang`
`21:36.19`	`scanline`	`how about conditionally compiling files based on a set of configuration settings that all have interdependencies with another, and use the same data to generate header files automatically?`
`21:36.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I think so yes`
`21:36.46`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just not exposed to the reuglar user that much`
`21:36.57`	`scanline`	`ok, then you might be able to get visual C++ studio to compile pgserver, but I won't be the one to make it happen :)`
`21:37.10`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it's not a simple thing, but it can do it`
`21:37.13`	`scanline`	`MSVC++ just isn't up to par with the tools available on the preferred development platform`
`21:37.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I had visual studio compiling our little language with our compiler making mac resources in windows data files :)`
`21:37.57`	`scanline`	`sounds.. fun...`
`21:38.02`	`Patlabor221`	`I think it is, it's just difrent, and it works way difrent then what you are used to.`
`21:38.12`	`Patlabor221`	`it was kinda fun`
`21:38.24`	`Patlabor221`	`even had it bringing up custom dialogs to edit the resources`
`21:38.43`	`Patlabor221`	`but as you say it wouldn't need to be done to just use the thing.`
`21:39.03`	`Patlabor221`	`VC.net even has a command line in the IDE`
`21:39.08`	`Patlabor221`	`that's almost bash like`
`21:39.23`	`scanline`	`My biggest problem with it is that if you create a build system with VC, it -only- works in VC`
`21:39.31`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I agree`
`21:39.41`	`scanline`	`makefiles are pretty portable between UNIXes, and SCons should be portable to anything that runs python`
`21:39.48`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`21:40.08`	`Patlabor221`	`would be nice if you could export to a project tho, and I think it's posible, just not done yet.`
`21:40.31`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy you could make a comonent for VC that would read in makefiles and stuff`
`21:40.41`	`scanline`	`with simple projects it make sense to convert between build system formats automatically, but picogui's build system is pretty complex`
`21:40.52`	`Patlabor221`	`sounds like it is`
`21:41.20`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like they are working on a VC subversion source controll component :)`
`21:41.29`	`scanline`	`ha`
`21:41.53`	`Patlabor221`	`tho it has to handle checkouts difrently`
`21:41.57`	`scanline`	`well. I should make some coffee to get into that "I'm going to fix bugs!" mood`
`21:42.06`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh the good mood`
`21:43.07`	`Patlabor221`	`when I get home I need to get into the, make a real install of linux and get the nvidia drivers working`
`21:43.18`	`Patlabor221`	`may even go to something other then redhat`
`21:43.27`	`Patlabor221`	`if I can find someone willing to help`
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`21:44.16`	`Patlabor221`	`Greetings oh great "tim", I have a question for you.`
`21:44.58`	`scanline`	`Ni!`
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`21:50.08`	`bzgirl`	`hi sgi`
`21:50.14`	`sgi`	`hi`
`21:50.41`	`sgi`	`nothing to do in office`
`21:50.49`	`bzgirl`	`:)`
`21:51.07`	`sgi`	`cold outside`
`21:51.27`	`bzgirl`	`only -7 here today`
`21:51.39`	`bzdoug_`	`it be snowing here`
`21:51.41`	`sgi`	`celsius`
`21:52.00`	`bzgirl`	`yeah celsius`
`21:52.02`	`bzdoug_`	`heh`
`21:52.19`	`sgi`	`I hate snow`
`21:52.48`	`isfry`	`it is 22 c or 72 f here`
`21:52.48`	`sgi`	`-13~14 fare`
`21:52.55`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`21:53.01`	`sgi`	`arg`
`21:53.06`	`sgi`	`22`
`21:53.44`	`sgi`	`isfry you are in Florida`
`21:53.50`	`isfry`	`yeah`
`21:53.50`	`sgi`	`are you`
`21:53.59`	`sgi`	`I hate you`
`21:54.05`	`isfry`	`it is suposed to get to 2/36 tomorrow night`
`21:54.06`	`bzdoug_`	`sgi: hahaha`
`21:54.14`	`bzdoug_`	`isfry: where in FL?`
`21:54.15`	`sgi`	`just kidding`
`21:54.30`	`bzdoug_`	`isfry: tampa? miami?`
`21:54.41`	`sgi`	`orlando`
`21:54.45`	`bzdoug_`	`kewl`
`21:54.54`	`isfry`	`south east of orlando`
`21:55.00`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`21:55.38`	`sgi`	`I was there 2 years ago`
`21:55.39`	`bzdoug_`	`and I was born in tampa..`
`21:55.41`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`21:55.45`	`isfry`	`ahh i am a little bit south of there`
`21:55.52`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`21:56.03`	`sgi`	`and the weather ...bad`
`21:56.05`	`sussudio`	`doug wasnt born, but grown in a moldy cup`
`21:56.24`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: your mistaking your own birth I am affraid`
`21:57.14`	`bzdoug_`	`I wonder if sussudio know what grammer is...`
`21:57.20`	`bzdoug_`	`Patlabor221: drive?`
`21:57.36`	`sgi`	`me too`
`21:57.49`	`bzdoug_`	`this whole global warming thing will blow up and it will be snowing in mexico`
`21:57.52`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`21:57.54`	`sussudio`	`bzdoug_: it's kinda ironic that you mis-spell grammar`
`21:58.11`	`bzdoug_`	`that would be spelling`
`21:58.11`	`sgi`	`ehehhehehe`
`21:58.13`	`bzdoug_`	`not grammer`
`21:58.39`	`sussudio`	`twice`
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`21:58.47`	`isfry`	`in the quest to find good places to be from Inukjuak is going to have a high of -17 f / -27 c on sunday =) and a low of -22 / -30 so it could be worse`
`21:58.47`	`scanline`	`bzdoug_ isnnt good at spalling!`
`21:58.58`	`Patlabor221`	`yes drive`
`21:59.10`	`bzdoug_`	`isfry: lol`
`21:59.10`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: lol`
`21:59.11`	`Patlabor221`	`I am only 200 meters above sea level`
`21:59.12`	`bzdoug_`	`Patlabor221: lol`
`21:59.14`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: lol`
`21:59.26`	`bzdoug_`	`Patlabor221: indeed, so go to the beach instead`
`21:59.38`	`Patlabor221`	`too cold for beach`
`21:59.42`	`bzdoug_`	`bah`
`21:59.50`	`bzdoug_`	`never too cold`
`22:00.24`	`sgi`	`I am only 200000 meters from the sea`
`22:00.32`	`bzdoug_`	`sgi: hmm`
`22:01.00`	`isfry`	`about 10000 meters away for me`
`22:01.10`	`Patlabor221`	`I'd have to drive for about 20 min in trafic to get to the beach`
`22:01.13`	`Patlabor221`	`brb`
`22:01.36`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`22:02.02`	`sgi`	`phone`
`22:02.14`	`bzdoug_`	`phone`
`22:03.25`	`bzdoug_`	`1000000... hmmm`
`22:04.11`	`sgi`	`bye`
`22:04.46`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, search for "The Microsoft Sound" on kazaa, make about 9000000 results`
`22:04.56`	`isfry`	`hahaha`
`22:05.10`	`isfry`	`right up there with ding.wav`
`22:05.13`	`bzdoug_`	`people make the whole drive as there shared folder`
`22:05.16`	`bzdoug_`	`hahah`
`22:06.18`	`bzdoug_`	`-C`
`22:08.35`	`Secret_Hamster`	`sea. ahh yes the north atlantic and the north sea. sonderfull to swin in`
`22:08.35`	`Secret_Hamster`	`freeze you ass of in 5 mins at this time of year`
`22:08.36`	`Secret_Hamster`	`anyway time for bed`
`22:08.40`	`Secret_Hamster`	`cya 2mrrw`
`22:08.47`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`22:08.48`	`Hamster_afk`	`hum nice lag`
`22:08.55`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`22:09.20`	`Hamster_afk`	`ow 27seconds`
`22:09.27`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
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`22:15.16`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214)`
`22:15.25`	`bzdoug_`	`yo Patlabor221`
`22:17.15`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl3x10.chesco.com)`
`22:19.01`	`stibnite`	`hey MrApathyCream`
`22:19.09`	`stibnite`	`that jumble- what do you use to generate it?`
`22:19.33`	`bzdoug_`	`'lo MrApathyCream Patlabor221`
`22:21.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`lo`
`22:23.26`	`*** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.unm.edu)`
`22:23.30`	`Chestal`	`hi MAC, mb`
`22:23.33`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`morning`
`22:23.35`	`bzdoug_`	`'lo sn0w_m0nkey`
`22:23.42`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`mornin doug`
`22:24.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`so chestal how goes the overzealous cheat prots, are they still overzealous?`
`22:24.12`	`bzdoug_`	`afternoon`
`22:24.46`	`Chestal`	`MAC: yes, think so. Didn't have the time to test today`
`22:24.58`	`fontenot`	`overzealous ?`
`22:25.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`is ducati latest cvs?`
`22:25.19`	`sussudio`	`want to see an example of 'no appearent lag but skipping all over the place'? have a look at 'luzer' on ducati now...... btw 26 lost packets on him`
`22:25.19`	`fontenot`	`what would cause a false positive? long ping times ?`
`22:25.27`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`we will have to register to login into ducati with this feature chestal?`
`22:25.31`	`fontenot`	`ah lost packets`
`22:25.32`	`Patlabor221`	`hello`
`22:25.45`	`fontenot`	`which could be intentional`
`22:25.46`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hi patlabor`
`22:25.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: how goes the dutch translation :)`
`22:26.06`	`sussudio`	`MrApathyCream: err`
`22:26.06`	`Chestal`	`snow: no, just some sanity checks in the server`
`22:26.16`	`Chestal`	`mac: no, 5156 has none of these checks fo far`
`22:26.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`wow twelve conversations at once, kul`
`22:26.58`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i've finally tried 1.7g0 ... i am stoked`
`22:27.01`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`its nice`
`22:27.11`	`Chestal`	`59500 up as test server`
`22:27.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`If only there was someone who knew german....`
`22:27.37`	`Chestal`	`MAC: ibot can xlate`
`22:27.38`	`stibnite`	`MrApathyCream: what do you need?`
`22:27.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`a german translation for bzflag`
`22:27.50`	`stibnite`	`you don't have a german translater for bzflag?`
`22:27.53`	`stibnite`	`oho!`
`22:27.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`apparently no`
`22:28.02`	`stibnite`	`i can help`
`22:28.02`	`bzdoug_`	`MrApathyCream: wanna start a 14th conversation?`
`22:28.03`	`stibnite`	`i don't speak german`
`22:28.10`	`stibnite`	`but i have a lot of friends who do`
`22:28.14`	`sussudio`	`doug speaks pig`
`22:28.15`	`stibnite`	`and they would gladly help`
`22:28.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`I can send you the file`
`22:28.21`	`Chestal`	`MAC: I noticed that translating the help texts works line by line`
`22:28.23`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i speak tewa`
`22:28.23`	`stibnite`	`that would be most excellent!`
`22:28.25`	`pistachioleron`	`yay for work & then class`
`22:28.31`	`bzdoug_`	`pig latin?`
`22:28.31`	`Chestal`	`MAC: which gives the problem of bad formatting`
`22:28.40`	`sussudio`	`no, SQUEEL SQUEEL`
`22:28.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: where to?`
`22:28.43`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`heh`
`22:28.45`	`stibnite`	`please feel free to dcc it or to mail it to stibnite@hashmark.net`
`22:28.50`	`isfry`	`it is quitting time talk to you later =)`
`22:28.56`	`bzgirl`	`bye fry`
`22:29.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: You don't have to exactly match line by line`
`22:29.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`You can always just use them as 'keys'`
`22:29.13`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`stibnite: so thats your server?`
`22:29.29`	`Chestal`	`MAC: yes, just noticed with one of the translations that the help screens look a little funny`
`22:29.35`	`Chestal`	`some lines are too long and skipped, etc.`
`22:29.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite, ok`
`22:29.53`	`stibnite`	`coolio`
`22:30.23`	`stibnite`	`oh and MrApathyCream -- the jumble? how is that done?`
`22:30.33`	`Chestal`	`maybe I shuld run ducati 5155 with some flags and gasp jumping to test the new checks a little`
`22:30.39`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`:)`
`22:31.23`	`Chestal`	`noone will us emy non-public test server on 59500 anyway`
`22:31.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: dcc'ed`
`22:31.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: jumble is done by a proggy I wrote`
`22:32.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`There's some hand massaging to fit the final message`
`22:32.26`	`bzdoug_`	`MrApathyCream?`
`22:32.32`	`bzdoug_`	`whats jumble?`
`22:32.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: That's just sacrilege`
`22:32.58`	`stibnite`	`cool`
`22:33.09`	`stibnite`	`i saw my name in there and i just about cried.`
`22:33.14`	`stibnite`	`got the dcc, btw. tx.`
`22:33.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzdoug_: www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZPuzzle1.html`
`22:34.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzdoug_: www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZPuzzle2.html`
`22:34.04`	`Chestal`	`ok, no jumping, but a jump flag`
`22:34.17`	`bzdoug_`	`hah`
`22:34.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: ;)`
`22:35.08`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`jumping is perfectly natural for me`
`22:35.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: to translate, just fill in the portion that says msgstr ""`
`22:35.55`	`sussudio`	`jump m0nkey jump!`
`22:36.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`leave the msgid part alone`
`22:36.06`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`only for a banana`
`22:36.13`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`or power bar`
`22:36.22`	`bzdoug_`	`hah`
`22:36.23`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`banana flavored`
`22:36.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: if you have any questions, you can refer to the good job that sussudio did with his dutch translation`
`22:36.26`	`stibnite`	`ok`
`22:36.42`	`stibnite`	`k, will do.`
`22:36.50`	`stibnite`	`sussudio i didn't know you were dutch!`
`22:36.53`	`stibnite`	`my wife's family is dutch!`
`22:36.56`	`stibnite`	`VanWingerden`
`22:37.02`	`sussudio`	`stibnite: poor you`
`22:37.06`	`bzdoug_`	`stibnite: ugh`
`22:37.09`	`stibnite`	`lol not at all`
`22:37.12`	`sussudio`	`~sud`
`22:37.14`		`shut up doug`
`22:37.14`	`stibnite`	`her family is great`
`22:37.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, stibnite, wanna translate to dutch?`
`22:37.30`	`stibnite`	`i thought sussudio did?`
`22:37.45`	`sussudio`	`sure, you'll just get stuck on 'dithering' too`
`22:37.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`hahahahahahahaahaahahahah`
`22:38.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`as i said, you can ignore what you don't know how to translate!!!!`
`22:38.20`	`scanline`	`Zappeln?`
`22:38.29`	`sussudio`	`wtf is zappeln`
`22:38.35`	`stibnite`	`probably i'm not the guy to help anyway, i don't know any dutch people with more than a high school education`
`22:38.38`	`Patlabor221`	`MAC: Question for you.`
`22:38.50`	`scanline`	`sussudio: it's what google translation thinks "dithering" is in german`
`22:39.08`	`*** join/#bzflag Cell (~booble@p50803562.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`22:39.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: ?`
`22:39.13`	`stibnite`	`k, so MrApathyCream msgid is the english from which the translation should come?`
`22:39.14`	`Cell`	`lo`
`22:39.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: yes`
`22:39.22`	`stibnite`	`also what about special chars?`
`22:39.38`	`stibnite`	`try to word things so that they fit into the blandest set of chars?`
`22:39.50`	`Patlabor221`	`PMAC: Platform dosn't have an abstracted way to open any file, should I add a method that does, or add a new class to do it?`
`22:39.54`	`bzdoug_`	`Holland... the Final Frontier`
`22:39.57`	`sussudio`	`scanline: yes, translation to german would be very useful for a dutch languagefile :-P`
`22:40.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: if you have special accented chars, put them in the file, and then send me what you have added`
`22:40.14`	`scanline`	`I know dutch != german, just got me curious about how well google translation does :)`
`22:40.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`currently bzflag doesn't handle them, but, i'd like them in for the future`
`22:40.22`	`stibnite`	`ok`
`22:40.51`	`scanline`	`Meine metaloafabschu?rampe ist defekt`
`22:40.58`	`scanline`	`oops`
`22:41.02`	`Cell`	`maxicum capacity`
`22:41.14`	`scanline`	`Mein Entereinigungsmittel wird verstopft`
`22:41.22`	`lurgyman`	`WALRUS MODE ENABLED`
`22:41.37`	`bzdoug_`	`~x en de WALRUS MODE ENABLED`
`22:41.57`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en WALRUS MODUS ERMÖGLICHTE`
`22:42.03`	`Cell`	`~ln1024`
`22:42.05`	`TimRiker`	`now do you have a utf8 irc client? ;-)`
`22:42.06`	`bzdoug_`	`hahahahhhaa`
`22:42.34`	`scanline`	`~ de en Mein Entereinigungsmittel wird verstopft`
`22:42.36`	`scanline`	`oop`
`22:42.38`	`scanline`	`~x de en Mein Entereinigungsmittel wird verstopft`
`22:42.47`	`lurgyman`	`hah`
`22:43.01`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de my meatloaf launcher is broken`
`22:43.03`	`sussudio`	`dirty ducks done dirty cheap`
`22:43.12`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en meine Hackbratenabschußrampe ist defekt`
`22:43.15`	`lurgyman`	`i see it uses google`
`22:43.52`	`bzdoug_`	`hahahaha`
`22:43.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: Probably should add a class to do lots of things with files, like list them, etc`
`22:44.06`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de the incriminating warthogs on my hard drive are dead`
`22:44.07`	`Patlabor221`	`I have a set of classes that does it`
`22:44.20`	`Patlabor221`	`just didn't knowif I should add them to platform or not`
`22:44.26`	`lurgyman`	`wow, i killed ibot`
`22:44.32`	`bzdoug_`	`hahahaha`
`22:44.35`	`bzdoug_`	`:(`
`22:44.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`Anyone ever try the apache APR?`
`22:45.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: Platform sounds good`
`22:45.36`	`Patlabor221`	`the project yes, but should they be new classes or added as methods to the existing classes?`
`22:45.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`I vote new`
`22:46.01`	`Patlabor221`	`as do I`
`22:46.20`	`Cell`	`~x de en du bis ein b�renmongoloider in den Keller spritzender Brutalvollspacko`
`22:47.37`	`scanline`	`~x en de My duck is trapped in the coffee pot`
`22:47.51`	`scanline`	`~x de en Meine Ente wird im Kaffeetopf eingeschlossen`
`22:48.05`	`Patlabor221`	`~x en de Frog Blast The Vent Core!`
`22:48.06`	`Chestal`	`~x de en Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale`
`22:48.15`	`lurgyman`	`haha`
`22:48.21`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de my chopping roast launching pad is defective`
`22:48.26`	`Chestal`	`well, good night`
`22:48.31`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`gnight ches`
`22:48.31`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en meine hackende ausstoßende Auflage der Braten ist defekt`
`22:48.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`nite`
`22:48.37`	`bzdoug_`	`hahaha`
`22:48.48`	`bzdoug_`	`~x en de my chopping discharging edition of the roasts is defective`
`22:49.02`	`bzdoug_`	`~x de en meine hackende entladenausgabe der Braten ist defekt`
`22:49.13`	`bzdoug_`	`ROFL`
`22:49.18`	`lurgyman`	`hahhaha`
`22:49.26`	`bzdoug_`	`~x en de my chopping expenditure for unloading of the roasts is defective`
`22:49.34`	`Cell`	`~x en de ~x en de`
`22:49.34`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en meine hackende Aufwendung für die Entleerung der Braten ist defekt`
`22:49.44`	`bzdoug_`	`bah`
`22:49.49`	`lurgyman`	`i think we might be converging here...`
`22:49.57`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`22:50.00`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de my chopping expenditure for the emptying of the roasts is defective`
`22:50.02`	`bzdoug_`	`we need a new sentence`
`22:50.12`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en meine hackende Aufwendung für das Leeren der Braten ist defekt`
`22:50.19`	`Cell`	`~help`
`22:50.21`	`bzdoug_`	`~die`
`22:50.22`		`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.`
`22:50.24`	`bzdoug_`	`~kill`
`22:50.25`		`ACTION kills all the morons`
`22:50.28`	`bzdoug_`	`~lart lurgyman`
`22:50.31`	`Patlabor221`	`~x de en Farvicnugen.`
`22:50.31`	`sussudio`	`~x de en mein hosen sind ausgerechnet bumsen mit bratwurst and schnitzel hund`
`22:50.32`	`bzdoug_`	`~insult lurgyman`
`22:51.00`	`bzdoug_`	`~x en de lurgyman is nothing but a pickled coagulation of imp-bladdereddle-headed chicken piss.`
`22:51.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`bbiab`
`22:51.09`	`bzdoug_`	`~x de en ist nichts aber eine in Essig eingelegte Koagulation des imp-bladdereddle-vorangegangenen Huhn Piss lurgyman.`
`22:51.27`	`bzdoug_`	`ugh, mangeled up`
`22:51.35`	`bzdoug_`	`chicken of the piss`
`22:51.36`	`Patlabor221`	`well thats enough sillyness`
`22:52.09`	`scanline`	`~x de en das blinkenlights`
`22:52.24`	`bzdoug_`	`~x de en blinken lights`
`22:52.30`	`bzdoug_`	`hm`
`22:52.55`	`Patlabor221`	`statement`
`22:53.02`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`22:53.12`	`Patlabor221`	`you can take it as any of them tho`
`22:53.17`	`bzdoug_`	`hm`
`22:53.32`	`bzdoug_`	`~x en de tux racer`
`22:53.41`	`bzdoug_`	`bah`
`22:54.04`	`Cell`	`hallo`
`22:54.29`	`bzdoug_`	`~x de en hallo`
`22:55.24`	`Cell`	`ihr seid alle Zigeuner!`
`22:55.34`	`bzdoug_`	`~x de en ihr seid alle Zigeuner!`
`22:55.43`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`22:55.44`	`bzdoug_`	`indeed`
`22:55.53`	`bzdoug_`	`espesialy sussudio`
`22:55.58`	`Cell`	`yeah`
`22:56.06`	`Cell`	`lol`
`22:56.42`	`sussudio`	`~spell espesialy`
`22:56.43`		`possible spellings for espesialy: especially especial specially special espousal specialty essentially`
`22:56.59`	`bzdoug_`	`~kick sussudio`
`22:57.36`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de my god, there's a moron grinning in the president's chair!`
`22:57.46`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`22:57.53`	`Cell`	`Hey bzflag ist eine Spinatschaufel`
`22:57.54`	`sussudio`	`~x en de bot whore`
`22:58.20`	`bzdoug_`	`~x de en Hey bzflag ist eine Spinatschaufel`
`22:58.29`	`bzdoug_`	`hah`
`22:58.44`	`bzdoug_`	`amazing how close german is to english`
`22:58.47`	`bzdoug_`	`for some words`
`22:58.51`	`Cell`	`yes`
`22:59.07`	`bzdoug_`	`~x en fr my chopping expenditure for emptying the roasts is defective`
`22:59.16`	`bzdoug_`	`~x fr sp ma dépense de hachage pour vider les rôtis est défectueuse`
`22:59.27`	`bzdoug_`	`~x fr es ma dépense de hachage pour vider les rôtis est défectueuse`
`22:59.38`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`22:59.41`	`lurgyman`	`on google: "my god, there's a moron grinning in the president's chair!" => "my God, gives it moron, in the chair of the president grinst!"`
`22:59.43`	`bzdoug_`	`it uses altivista`
`22:59.57`	`lurgyman`	`altavista and google tend to give the same results`
`23:00.06`	`bzdoug_`	`~x fr de ma dépense de hachage pour vider les rôtis est défectueuse`
`23:00.16`	`bzdoug_`	`~x de en meine Zerhackausgaben, um die Braten zu leeren sind fehlerhaft`
`23:00.22`	`bzdoug_`	`wow`
`23:00.26`	`bzdoug_`	`it got spit up goood`
`23:00.36`	`bzdoug_`	`altavista eg?`
`23:00.40`	`kuheuter`	`lool`
`23:01.30`	`bzdoug_`	`~x fr it ma dépense de hachage pour vider les rôtis est défectueuse`
`23:01.36`	`bzdoug_`	`bah`
`23:02.41`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de my llama dispenser has a hole in it`
`23:02.51`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en meine Llamazufuhr hat eine Bohrung in ihr`
`23:03.07`	`Patlabor221`	`you only have a dispenser? I have a llama generator`
`23:03.15`	`Patlabor221`	`llamatron-3000`
`23:03.28`	`Patlabor221`	`runs on copys of quake 3`
`23:03.30`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`you guys made me hungry`
`23:03.40`	`Patlabor221`	`for llama?`
`23:03.49`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`indian food :)`
`23:04.04`	`kuheuter`	`i go to in-n-out for some dds`
`23:04.23`	`Patlabor221`	`nice and binding`
`23:04.31`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de my portable warthog exploder has taken ill`
`23:04.33`	`kuheuter`	`yes`
`23:04.38`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en mein beweglicher warthog Exploder hat Kranken genommen`
`23:04.40`	`lurgyman`	`hmm`
`23:06.05`	`lurgyman`	`~x en de we're completely out of grilled cheese sandwiches`
`23:06.13`	`lurgyman`	`~x de en wir sind vollständig aus gegrillten Käsesandwichen heraus`
`23:06.48`	`kuheuter`	`someone wants to offer bzflag on ebay`
`23:06.53`	`lurgyman`	`pbththt`
`23:07.07`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`Patlabor221: have you a chance to do some snowboarding yet?`
`23:07.27`	`Patlabor221`	`no, not yet`
`23:07.33`	`Patlabor221`	`tho we are trying to go again soon`
`23:08.10`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`my friend was near tahoe last week, sounded good.`
`23:08.38`	`Patlabor221`	`we'll most likely just go to mtn. High`
`23:08.46`	`Patlabor221`	`after the wind dies down`
`23:08.54`	`Patlabor221`	`REALY windy here now`
`23:10.13`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`oh yeah i heard`
`23:10.25`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`santa ana's`
`23:10.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I thnk so`
`23:10.41`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`bad for snow`
`23:10.46`	`Patlabor221`	`very`
`23:10.50`	`Patlabor221`	`makes ice`
`23:10.54`	`Patlabor221`	`ice makes owwies`
`23:11.09`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`heh...we are getting your dry weather out here now`
`23:11.16`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`same conditions almost.. :((`
`23:11.26`	`*** join/#bzflag PerfectCell (~booble@pD9E506C9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`23:11.31`	`Patlabor221`	`it's been more wet this winter then normal tho`
`23:12.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and colder, other then this windy week`
`23:12.17`	`PerfectCell`	`h it was preety cold here too`
`23:12.36`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`where you at perfectcell?`
`23:12.57`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`germany?`
`23:12.58`	`PerfectCell`	`Oceanside`
`23:13.03`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`oh oops :)`
`23:13.55`	`Patlabor221`	`allso known as germany`
`23:14.01`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hehe`
`23:14.26`	`PerfectCell`	`no California Oceanside`
`23:14.36`	`Patlabor221`	`right`
`23:14.43`	`TimRiker`	`~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155`
`23:14.44`	`PerfectCell`	`my father is from there`
`23:14.49`	`Patlabor221`	`via germany`
`23:14.53`	`TimRiker`	`~bzfquery one.bzflag.org:5155`
`23:15.51`	`TimRiker`	`anyone know how to create a socket in CLOSE_WAIT in bzfs? I really want to fix that bug.`
`23:16.20`	`*** join/#bzflag gorjusborg (~brandon@ptd-24-95-25-226.maine.rr.com)`
`23:18.52`	`jzaun`	`Tim, whats that do?`
`23:18.59`	`*** part/#bzflag PerfectCell (~booble@pD9E506C9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`23:27.55`	`TimRiker`	`sockets get left in CLOSE_WAIT and then the server uses 100% cpu`
`23:29.26`	`pistachioleron`	`TimRiker: should be able to detect that with poll(POLL_HUP) and then do a shutdown() on the server side`
`23:29.42`	`*** join/#bzflag isfry (~Fry@host-216-77-204-47.sua.bellsouth.net)`
`23:30.14`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`23:30.37`	`Patlabor221`	`was that posibly what was hanging G0 windows servers too?`
`23:32.25`	`stibnite`	`TimRiker: i haven't gotten down to checking the socket status, but hashmark's been hitting that cpu bug a LOT`
`23:32.27`	`TimRiker`	`possible yes.`
`23:32.32`	`TimRiker`	`back later...`
`23:32.35`	`stibnite`	`and it's currently running with -d x4`
`23:33.07`	`TimRiker`	`anyone have any trouble gettin on xmission?`
`23:33.13`	`TimRiker`	`back later...`
`23:34.33`	`pistachioleron`	`i run into that cpu bug every once in a while`
`23:34.39`	`pistachioleron`	`(when people actually venture onto my server)`
`23:35.21`	`stibnite`	`i hit it 1-2 times per day`
`23:37.40`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`proton?`
`23:38.05`	`pistachioleron`	`sn0w_m0nkey?`
`23:38.08`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`heh`
`23:38.15`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`have you seen nuum these days?`
`23:38.21`	`pistachioleron`	`nope`
`23:38.22`	`pistachioleron`	`:(`
`23:39.11`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`he disappeared eh`
`23:39.33`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`sux`
`23:39.46`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`how about tankenstein?`
`23:40.46`	`pistachioleron`	`i think tankenstein died`
`23:40.48`	`pistachioleron`	`or something`
`23:41.43`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`what?`
`23:41.55`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`your kidding me right?`
`23:42.04`	`pistachioleron`	`yeah`
`23:42.08`	`pistachioleron`	`he's just disappeared`
`23:42.09`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`dude!`
`23:43.28`	`sussudio`	`err`
`23:43.29`	`sussudio`	`iLLf8d is ~neener@user-0c8gji2.cable.mindspring.com * neener`
`23:43.29`	`sussudio`	`iLLf8d on #BSDVault #bsdusers @#awl #waimea #debian #gentoo #freebsdhelp #sfvlug #nix`
`23:44.03`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`he is iLLf8d`
`23:44.32`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i need to come up with a creative team name`
`23:45.36`	`pistachioleron`	`BASTARD`
`23:46.25`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`heh`
`23:46.45`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`my team name shall be BASTARD`
`23:46.50`	`bzgirl`	`m0nkeyl0ve is better`
`23:46.53`	`sussudio`	`sn0w_m0nkey (Team Spanky)`
`23:46.54`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`har`
`23:47.16`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`spanky is a good direction`
`23:47.30`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`its in the spank direction`
`23:47.46`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`m0nkeyl0ve may give the wrong impression ;)`
`23:47.58`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`right proton?`
`23:50.51`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i need creative input`
`23:51.44`	`*** join/#bzflag iLLf8d (~neener@user-0c8gji2.cable.mindspring.com)`
`23:52.03`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hi tank`
`23:52.07`	`iLLf8d`	`greetings`
`23:52.13`	`iLLf8d`	`how goes it`
`23:52.27`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`pretty well, yourself?`
`23:52.41`	`iLLf8d`	`ehh i've been in configuration hell the last few days`
`23:52.49`	`iLLf8d`	`pushing myself to get a ton of stuff up on one of my boxes`
`23:52.52`	`iLLf8d`	`i'm getting there tho`
`23:53.07`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`you still have that ctf map that was like qbert game?`
`23:54.17`	`iLLf8d`	`yeah I got all ofem, I wouldn't mind playing my ctf that was up in the air, I liked it it was a bit different. (just got too much to do right now)`
`23:54.18`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i will enter config hell next week with an os i know nothing about`
`23:54.22`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`win xp :p`
`23:54.25`	`iLLf8d`	`ah`
`23:54.27`	`iLLf8d`	`whys that?`
`23:54.33`	`iLLf8d`	`what do you plan to do with it?`
`23:54.42`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`win xp or your map? :)`
`23:54.51`	`iLLf8d`	`winxp`
`23:54.52`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`win xp to make a dual booter`
`23:55.02`	`iLLf8d`	`ah winxp is nice`
`23:55.04`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i've never used xp before`
`23:55.07`	`Patlabor221`	`install linux last and it's fine`
`23:55.13`	`iLLf8d`	`best ms version to date`
`23:55.15`	`Patlabor221`	`and you can make XP look just like 2k`
`23:55.30`	`iLLf8d`	`why would you wanna do that?`
`23:55.32`	`Patlabor221`	`just set the visual style to clasic`
`23:55.36`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i was going to do to hd's..primary linux, slave xp`
`23:55.39`	`Patlabor221`	`cus "my first windows" is stupid`
`23:55.46`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.152)`
`23:55.46`	`iLLf8d`	`some of xp's layout is hosed when you go classic`
`23:55.50`	`Patlabor221`	`just install linux last`
`23:55.54`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hmm`
`23:55.58`	`Patlabor221`	`the windows boot loader won't do linux`
`23:55.58`	`iLLf8d`	`much more convenient detuning xp and not making it classic`
`23:56.16`	`Patlabor221`	`illf8d, it's just a visual style, dosn't do anything else`
`23:56.23`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I do run with the new start menu`
`23:56.27`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i was hoping i wouldn't have to reinstall linux`
`23:56.32`	`iLLf8d`	`not true,`
`23:56.37`	`Patlabor221`	`snow then get system comander`
`23:56.38`	`iLLf8d`	`well lemme restate that`
`23:56.40`	`iLLf8d`	`heh`
`23:56.51`	`iLLf8d`	`it splits your shared bullshit from the interface`
`23:57.05`	`Patlabor221`	`what "shared bullshit"?`
`23:57.16`	`iLLf8d`	`ie you end up with having to goto 2 different interfaces to get to files on local, and files on remote`
`23:57.36`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`what if disconnect the linux hd, install winxp as the only hd, and configure grub?`
`23:57.39`	`Patlabor221`	`what?`
`23:57.51`	`Patlabor221`	`snow that may work`
`23:57.57`	`iLLf8d`	`ie if you wanna view shared docs on a remote machine`
`23:57.59`	`pistachioleron`	`sn0w_m0nkey: you don't have to reinstall, just have to overwrite the MBR with grub`
`23:58.00`	`Patlabor221`	`never doen it`
`23:58.01`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`trick windows installer`
`23:58.03`	`iLLf8d`	`you need to open network places`
`23:58.15`	`Patlabor221`	`yes, and I have those, just not in the stupid ass side bar`
`23:58.20`	`iLLf8d`	`you can't just open explorer or my comptuer and copy your files`
`23:58.29`	`Patlabor221`	`sure you can`
`23:58.33`	`Patlabor221`	`do it everyday`
`23:58.35`	`iLLf8d`	`you need to use 2 different file browsers then`
`23:58.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`wow iLLf8d stumbled back in`
`23:58.46`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`yes :)`
`23:58.47`	`iLLf8d`	`networkplaces is one, and mycomputer or explorer is the other`
`23:58.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm just tallking about the visual style of the window manager`
`23:58.58`	`Patlabor221`	`and I have all those`
`23:59.07`	`Patlabor221`	`and an OSX visual style`
`23:59.26`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`well i will manage to corrupt my mbr as usual, i bet`
`23:59.38`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`its been ahwile since i had a dual booter`
`23:59.39`	`Patlabor221`	`that's the problem`
`23:59.43`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`since w98`
`23:59.48`	`Patlabor221`	`I allways install lin last and I'm fine`
`23:59.56`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`thats what i used to do`

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