irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030119

`00:00.12`	`Chestal`	`well, good night`
`00:00.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`cu`
`00:00.37`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm it did try hard, but seems the hub is flooded from the other macine uploading, said too many retransmits`
`00:00.45`	`Patlabor221`	`gnight ches`
`00:01.00`	`TRBERK6`	`It won't let me pasty it`
`00:01.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`while hub is down --> missile?`
`00:01.08`	`TRBERK6`	`paste it`
`00:01.21`	`Patlabor221`	`is there a part that says -public?`
`00:01.48`	`TRBERK6`	`Yes`
`00:01.53`	`TRBERK6`	`Hang on`
`00:02.45`	`TRBERK6`	`This is what happened when I finally got it public, when I entered the server everybody went to No Response why would that happen`
`00:02.49`	`*** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@mxfcl8x69.chesco.com)`
`00:04.19`	`*** join/#bzflag insect_power2 (~booble@p50802DCE.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:04.27`	`insect_power2`	`bow`
`00:05.31`	`Patlabor221`	`everyone?`
`00:05.32`	`*** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90)`
`00:05.45`	`TRBERK6`	`Yes one at a time`
`00:05.57`	`sussudio`	`why are australians so backwards?`
`00:05.59`	`Patlabor221`	`how many people were there?`
`00:06.08`	`TRBERK6`	`Just 4`
`00:06.36`	`Patlabor221`	`did your DSL disconect or anying`
`00:07.04`	`TRBERK6`	`I was watching that and No I was solid at 160 upload`
`00:07.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: cause they stand upside dwon`
`00:07.41`	`Patlabor221`	`that's not much for 4 people`
`00:07.52`	`Patlabor221`	`well you could haveused all the CPU`
`00:08.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: australians DO know how to do language translations, however`
`00:08.12`	`TRBERK6`	`Is that what it is not enough bandwidth`
`00:08.21`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think so`
`00:08.29`	`Patlabor221`	`does your DSL allow UDP?`
`00:08.37`	`sussudio`	`MrApathyCream: australians dont even talk proper english.`
`00:08.38`	`TRBERK6`	`Ok well I can watch my CPU also`
`00:08.51`	`TRBERK6`	`I don't Know`
`00:09.31`	`TRBERK6`	`says under Network Properties that it uses TCP/UDP`
`00:09.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: they get their translations on the barby`
`00:09.45`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be the net card`
`00:09.48`	`Patlabor221`	`not the DSL`
`00:10.20`	`sussudio`	`would anyone really miss australia if it was wiped out in a freak rabid kangaroo-eating-people disaster?`
`00:10.33`	`TRBERK6`	`Ok how to I find out about that`
`00:10.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`the bunnies`
`00:10.49`	`sussudio`	`australians dont like bunnies.`
`00:10.59`	`Patlabor221`	`try again, see when it dies, you go in first`
`00:11.11`	`Patlabor221`	`could drop an orbital an the ausies`
`00:11.28`	`TRBERK6`	`So I stay in then let people join around me then what`
`00:11.31`	`sussudio`	`no, that would be too fast.`
`00:11.52`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah try that`
`00:12.08`	`TRBERK6`	`Then what does that prove?`
`00:12.20`	`Patlabor221`	`so you can see when they go NR realy`
`00:12.24`	`Patlabor221`	`see if it's you or them`
`00:12.25`	`Patlabor221`	`or what`
`00:12.27`	`TRBERK6`	`P;lease Bare with me here I'm learning`
`00:12.47`	`TRBERK6`	`ok Will try that`
`00:12.58`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's gonna be a LAAAAGY game on that DSL`
`00:25.20`	`TRBERK6`	`When I'm just running server I'm running 10% of CPU. While playing on the server I'm running 100% of CPU.`
`00:26.06`	`Patlabor221`	`well playing does take CPU`
`00:26.16`	`Patlabor221`	`how fast is the macine?`
`00:26.26`	`insect_power2`	`is stripinski here?`
`00:26.33`	`TRBERK6`	`Yes Alot of CPU that why I'm getting the No response`
`00:26.42`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe`
`00:27.12`	`TRBERK6`	`Ok as far as lagy haven't seen any yet but it could get laggy`
`00:27.31`	`insect_power2`	`seems like they eaten up all my marshmallows`
`00:27.39`	`TRBERK6`	`ok you helped a bunch Thanks`
`00:27.59`	`insect_power2`	`freaky`
`00:28.01`	`Patlabor221`	`sure, sorry you didn't get a good anwer tho`
`00:28.24`	`TRBERK6`	`Well as I said I'm learning thats what I needed`
`00:28.27`	`insect_power2`	`as if george harrison was here`
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`00:29.58`	`insect_power2`	`by the way why is a cow used to get milk for ppl, even thoguh they lack of lactase and cannot consume it,`
`00:30.40`	`insect_power2`	`super power`
`00:30.51`	`insect_power2`	`the clash of the super powers`
`00:31.15`	`insect_power2`	`Freeza vs Goku`
`00:32.21`	`insect_power2`	`milk makes you loose`
`00:33.08`	`insect_power2`	`simplicial complex`
`00:33.22`	`bzdoug_`	`Got Milk?`
`00:33.34`	`insect_power2`	`powder`
`00:34.09`	`insect_power2`	`the power of the victory`
`00:34.27`	`insect_power2`	`is nothing for milky boys`
`00:34.38`	`bzdoug_`	`SOY MILK FOREVER!`
`00:36.06`	`insect_power2`	`no, carrot juice for ever with fennel and chicory`
`00:36.46`	`Patlabor221`	`Jim Bean with a rum chasser`
`00:36.55`	`bzdoug_`	`ugh`
`00:37.00`	`bzdoug_`	`and ugh`
`00:37.14`	`insect_power2`	`yes until your gut breaks`
`00:37.36`	`Patlabor221`	`my gut is made of titanium and maynomers`
`00:38.11`	`Patlabor221`	`I am mutant.`
`00:38.27`	`insect_power2`	`oh, but how does it feed your body`
`00:38.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I live off of the bad emotions of others`
`00:39.25`	`Patlabor221`	`that and thermal difrentnals`
`00:39.45`	`insect_power2`	`than you dont know the word hungry`
`00:39.51`	`Patlabor221`	`sure I do`
`00:40.00`	`Patlabor221`	`when everyone is happy I am hungry`
`00:40.01`	`insect_power2`	`how that?`
`00:40.09`	`insect_power2`	`oh right`
`00:40.29`	`Patlabor221`	`hunger is just the feeling for the need of sustinace`
`00:40.38`	`Patlabor221`	`don't have such a narow mindset`
`00:41.20`	`insect_power2`	`oh, isnt hunger just the feeling for lack of love`
`00:41.33`	`Patlabor221`	`no that's porn`
`00:41.48`	`insect_power2`	`hmm`
`00:42.45`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm If I replace this 19 with a swiching 21 I can get rid of a monitor`
`00:43.59`	`insect_power2`	`two monitors would make me feel like an idiot sittinng with big glasses infront of the pc all the day+night`
`00:44.35`	`Patlabor221`	`my eyes are fine`
`00:44.57`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I have a slightly difrent luminance range then most people`
`00:44.58`	`insect_power2`	`so im closer to that idiot`
`00:45.12`	`Patlabor221`	`and I do leave the computer`
`00:46.17`	`insect_power2`	`yes you have a job`
`00:46.52`	`Patlabor221`	`2 of them`
`00:47.01`	`insect_power2`	`ha?`
`00:47.16`	`insect_power2`	`you are a workoholic`
`00:47.28`	`Patlabor221`	`naw one is only 3 days a week`
`00:47.35`	`Patlabor221`	`wed, firday and sun`
`00:47.44`	`insect_power2`	`strange`
`00:48.55`	`Patlabor221`	`not realy`
`00:48.59`	`insect_power2`	`i still cant believe that you get so much money for a programming job in the us compared to germany`
`00:49.00`	`Patlabor221`	`just part time`
`00:49.15`	`Patlabor221`	`more programing companys out here`
`00:49.42`	`Patlabor221`	`Ive seen the code that german places make, it's prety bad too.`
`00:50.02`	`insect_power2`	`hm, you mean games`
`00:50.03`	`Patlabor221`	`those people at Seimens need to be shot`
`00:50.04`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`00:50.09`	`insect_power2`	`i see`
`00:50.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I mean genearl programing`
`00:50.35`	`insect_power2`	`whats so bad about it?`
`00:50.40`	`Patlabor221`	`game places you have, japan, us, england`
`00:50.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it's all badly desngined`
`00:50.55`	`Patlabor221`	`and only works for 1 thing`
`00:51.04`	`Patlabor221`	`and dosn't work with anyone else's stuff`
`00:51.27`	`insect_power2`	`hm, are we stupid`
`00:51.58`	`Patlabor221`	`I think the company is just short sighted`
`00:52.11`	`insect_power2`	`or maybe we cannot work in groups/teams`
`00:52.25`	`Patlabor221`	`tho they have a "everyone will do it our way" attitude`
`00:52.39`	`Patlabor221`	`does that seem to be the case?`
`00:52.48`	`Patlabor221`	`how often do you work with your classmates?`
`00:53.22`	`insect_power2`	`i think everyone wants to show that he is better than the other one and that the otherone is actually stupid`
`00:54.10`	`insect_power2`	`even though everyone is nice to you personally, but not really, its a mask`
`00:54.33`	`sussudio`	`insect_power2: yes, everyone hates you`
`00:54.50`	`Patlabor221`	`sounds like you need to move, I hear it's good in Egypt`
`00:55.04`	`sussudio`	`if you can avoid the suicide-camels`
`00:55.24`	`insect_power2`	`oh germany has a nice social system`
`00:55.52`	`bzdoug_`	`mad camel desiese`
`00:55.58`	`insect_power2`	`that gives you lot of safty`
`00:56.02`	`Patlabor221`	`waatch oug they spit`
`00:56.09`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`00:56.11`	`sussudio`	`Patlabor221: that's llamas`
`00:56.13`	`Patlabor221`	`saftey = complatancy = controll\`
`00:56.19`	`Patlabor221`	`camels spit too`
`00:56.22`	`sussudio`	`doug: how badly could you write 'disease'`
`00:56.28`	`insect_power2`	`camel case`
`00:56.39`	`insect_power2`	`and pascal case used in c#`
`00:56.44`	`bzdoug_`	`ugh`
`00:56.50`	`Patlabor221`	`your goverment is just trying to controll you, make you mindless automotons`
`00:56.57`	`Patlabor221`	`slaves to the socital machine`
`00:56.57`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: desez`
`00:57.08`	`sussudio`	`Patlabor221: i dont think that'll make much difference with germans`
`00:57.12`	`insect_power2`	`Patlabor221:im lucky about it`
`00:57.14`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`00:57.28`	`Patlabor221`	`untill they try to kill everyone again`
`00:57.45`	`sussudio`	`only when the beer and bratwurst deliveries stop`
`00:58.13`	`Patlabor221`	`like there is a big "wurst" meeter in the capital, when it gets too low, you invade poland.`
`00:58.17`	`captain_proton`	`lurgyman: you suck`
`00:58.32`	`Patlabor221`	`d00d isn't he in the same room as you?`
`00:58.41`	`sussudio`	`i think poland probably will invade germany this time`
`00:58.42`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: yeah, so?`
`00:58.49`	`insect_power2`	`oh poland is going to be an eu member`
`00:59.07`	`Patlabor221`	`ok then france`
`00:59.11`	`Patlabor221`	`they will just give up`
`00:59.18`	`sussudio`	`you know those polish jokes? they're frightingly true.`
`00:59.39`	`insect_power2`	`yes they stel your shoes while you are walking`
`01:00.36`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`01:00.45`	`bzdoug_`	`so captain_proton talks to lurgyman...`
`01:00.53`	`bzdoug_`	`when they are in the same room`
`01:00.59`	`insect_power2`	`dont drive with your car to poland, because you quaranteed come back without hubcaps`
`01:01.00`	`sussudio`	`lurgyman does suck`
`01:01.06`	`sussudio`	`he TK'ed me on ducati`
`01:01.16`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like it's about time to get to the mall and partake in some wonton capitalism`
`01:01.42`	`Patlabor221`	`BZ:0 has solved all TK problems`
`01:01.52`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`01:02.06`	`insect_power2`	`BZ:zero whats that?`
`01:02.09`	`Patlabor221`	`well it has`
`01:02.21`	`Patlabor221`	`dosn't give the greefers anyting to do`
`01:02.27`	`bzdoug_`	`indeed`
`01:02.27`	`Patlabor221`	`and they will hate what I do to the GM`
`01:02.57`	`Patlabor221`	`BZ:0 = little, yellow, difrent.`
`01:03.20`	`scanline`	`you know bz:0 needs a video recorder!`
`01:03.25`	`insect_power2`	`ups needdeepsleep`
`01:03.29`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it does`
`01:03.54`	`Patlabor221`	`I think it needs one right after I hook up a SVN or CVS server`
`01:04.13`	`Patlabor221`	`it also need an mortal kombat type anouncer`
`01:04.17`	`Patlabor221`	`"EXCELTNT"`
`01:04.25`	`scanline`	`I'm sure captain_proton can hook you up with svn :)`
`01:04.34`	`Patlabor221`	`that is what I am hoping`
`01:04.50`	`Patlabor221`	`Fibercunks just helped me get httpd going`
`01:05.00`	`Patlabor221`	`well I should say, he told me how to set up SSH`
`01:05.04`	`Patlabor221`	`then he went to town`
`01:06.02`	`Patlabor221`	`cap: how do install SVN? is it an rpm or something? or do I build it?`
`01:06.51`	`scanline`	`hmm... bzfs should eventually put an upper limit on the amount of time a tank can be off the ground, to prevent hovering`
`01:07.24`	`Patlabor221`	`or just track the jump it's self and apply the world grav to it`
`01:07.36`	`Patlabor221`	`and say "you land now"`
`01:07.43`	`Patlabor221`	`and if your not landed`
`01:07.51`	`Patlabor221`	`boot them to observer`
`01:07.59`	`Patlabor221`	`and call them silly`
`01:08.46`	`captain_proton`	`just compare player position updates to the world's simulation`
`01:09.03`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`01:09.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and if you are uber lagged take the server state as authoritive`
`01:09.53`	`Patlabor221`	`punish the lager not those who have to look at him :)`
`01:10.19`	`Patlabor221`	`and then we make EverTank.`
`01:12.23`	`Patlabor221`	`that X - query stuff almost worked`
`01:13.07`	`Patlabor221`	`well realy time to gets to the mall before it closes`
`01:13.10`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya`
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`01:47.38`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: hey... you're bored, and you like web design.. right?`
`01:49.08`	`*** join/#bzflag scan[pg] (~micah@aden2-142-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
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`01:59.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`cvs up -r proton bzflag`
`01:59.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`#No checkins this year`
`01:59.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`bah`
`01:59.45`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`02:04.19`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: um, yeah, kinda`
`02:05.22`	`scanline`	`picogui and jetstream could use new web sites :)`
`02:06.13`	`captain_proton`	`i can do that`
`02:07.34`	`scanline`	`in particular, picogui's needs a way to organize screenshots and documentation better`
`02:07.39`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: I care`
`02:07.51`	`captain_proton`	`bzdoug_: who said you were a somebody?`
`02:07.57`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: hmm, good point`
`02:08.07`	`bzdoug_`	`woo`
`02:08.15`	`bzdoug_`	`I got my duron centris 610 all done`
`02:08.28`	`scanline`	`wow.. I've been doing jetstream too long`
`02:08.37`	`scanline`	`forgot how good picogui's font rendering was without OpenGL :)`
`02:10.31`	`victorvdl`	`(not that I am somebody, either)`
`02:10.48`	`bzdoug_`	`victorvdl: we are the last of the nobodys`
`02:11.36`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: heh`
`02:12.59`	`*** join/#bzflag snyke (~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`02:13.38`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: hehe`
`02:13.53`	`scanline`	`http://picogui.org/download/google.png <-- high quality HTML rendering :)`
`02:14.13`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: hmm`
`02:14.20`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: looks like the source to me`
`02:14.28`	`scanline`	`you think?`
`02:14.35`	`scanline`	`I thought I just forgot to implement the "<" tag`
`02:14.40`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`02:15.53`	`scanline`	`stippled antialiased text is kinda funny`
`02:16.01`	`bzdoug_`	`hahahahah`
`02:16.03`	`bzdoug_`	`er`
`02:16.04`	`bzdoug_`	`it is?`
`02:16.20`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: :)`
`02:17.29`	`bzdoug_`	`wow`
`02:17.35`	`bzdoug_`	`I cant find a floppy disk`
`02:17.53`	`captain_proton`	`wow baffles?`
`02:18.25`	`bzdoug_`	`baffled`
`02:18.28`	`captain_proton`	`hoooooray`
`02:18.30`	`scanline`	`bzdoug_: you should add a Capture the Ferret mode to bzflag 1.8`
`02:18.30`	`bzdoug_`	`you wafled`
`02:18.31`	`captain_proton`	`we have more soy sauce`
`02:18.45`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: hmm? do we get to use shotguns?`
`02:18.53`	`scanline`	`even better:`
`02:18.54`	`scanline`	`tanks!`
`02:18.58`	`bzdoug_`	`humph`
`02:23.55`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`02:24.02`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`02:24.19`	`bzdoug_`	`macintosh floppy drives.... 2 DOLLAH`
`02:24.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`nafees is working on 1.8, maybe he'll add capture the ferret`
`02:24.37`	`bzdoug_`	`whos naffes?`
`02:25.18`	`scanline`	`jetstream needs a screenshot system like what picogui.org has, but cooler`
`02:25.34`	`scanline`	`and then I can 'borrow' the same system to replace the one picogui.org uses :)`
`02:25.46`	`bzdoug_`	`hmmm, I need a way to install drivers for a cdrom on a pc without any floppy, nor ethernet`
`02:26.13`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: willdo`
`02:26.19`	`scanline`	`spiffy`
`02:26.26`	`bzdoug_`	`spiffy the duck`
`02:26.35`	`bzdoug_`	`come here my spiffy duck`
`02:27.00`	`scanline`	`I like the 'Latest Screenshot' box picogui.org has, but purely chronological organization becomes a problem with a big project that will have several categories of screenshots`
`02:27.31`	`scanline`	`The 'gallery' program is pretty cool... not sure if it would make a good starting point or not`
`02:27.49`	`bzdoug_`	`indeeeeedy doo`
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`02:28.29`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, how to install drivers... to access a cdrom, to get the rest of the bloody drivers...`
`02:28.35`	`bzdoug_`	`interesting problem`
`02:30.22`	`bzdoug_`	`~x en de good night`
`02:30.31`	`*** part/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133)`
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`02:31.28`	`bzdoug_`	`huh`
`02:31.32`	`bzdoug_`	`did I close that window?`
`02:31.44`	`bzdoug_`	`wierd`
`02:31.47`	`bzdoug_`	`ghosts`
`02:32.23`	`bzdoug_`	`bah, I will need to do SOMETHING`
`02:32.29`	`bzdoug_`	`to open it at least`
`02:32.38`	`scanline`	`why do you need drivers for a cdrom?`
`02:32.38`	`bzdoug_`	`cdrom I guess, no room for a floppy`
`02:32.55`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: the windows 98 install I have thinks there is 4 devices in the whole system`
`02:33.03`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: I need to fix that`
`02:33.11`	`bzdoug_`	`it also thinks its missing a cdrom`
`02:33.14`	`bzdoug_`	`cuz it dont show up`
`02:33.23`	`scanline`	`that might be a reason not to use win98...`
`02:33.49`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`02:34.16`	`bzdoug_`	`I wonder if a) the onboard sound card works with linux b) the onboard video works with linux c) the onboard ethernet card works in linux`
`02:34.29`	`bzdoug_`	`and the otherboard dont have a single partnumber on it anywhere`
`02:34.45`	`bzdoug_`	`anyone need a centris 610 motherboard?`
`02:34.52`	`captain_proton`	`errr`
`02:34.52`	`bzdoug_`	`includes ram!`
`02:34.53`	`captain_proton`	`onboard`
`02:35.01`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: huh`
`02:35.07`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: that would be impressive`
`02:35.15`	`bzdoug_`	`it bity LCD`
`02:35.23`	`bzdoug_`	`ity bity even`
`02:35.24`	`bzdoug_`	`'`
`02:36.25`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, is there any video cards that its memory can be upgraded?`
`02:36.31`	`bzdoug_`	`with standard memory?`
`02:36.36`	`bzdoug_`	`SDRAM or DDR?`
`02:37.56`	`captain_proton`	`yep`
`02:38.01`	`captain_proton`	`but not for you`
`02:38.12`	`bzdoug_`	`what video card?`
`02:38.13`	`victorvdl`	`bzdoug_: something that uses shared memory and has onboard memory?`
`02:38.50`	`victorvdl`	`I dunno, some card somewhere.`
`02:38.50`	`captain_proton`	`bzdoug_: more-recent SGI cards, Sun's high-end workstation card...`
`02:38.50`	`bzdoug_`	`victorvdl: hmmmm, no, like a AGP grafics card with SDRAM slots in it`
`02:38.57`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: oh.`
`02:39.05`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: .`
`02:39.22`	`bzdoug_`	`is 141 degrees OK for a duron?`
`02:39.26`	`victorvdl`	`bzdoug_: Hmm...`
`02:39.33`	`captain_proton`	`bzdoug_: ABSOLUTELY NOT`
`02:39.35`	`captain_proton`	`WATCH OUT`
`02:39.47`	`captain_proton`	`ITS GOING TO BURST INTO FLAMES AND DESTROY YOUR WAY OF LIFE`
`02:40.02`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: uh huh`
`02:40.19`	`bzdoug_`	`whats the hottest a duron can run without burning up?`
`02:40.42`	`bzdoug_`	`and burst into flames?`
`02:40.48`	`bzdoug_`	`and destroy my way of life`
`02:40.48`	`captain_proton`	`A HUNDRED AND FORTY AND A HALF`
`02:40.56`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: OH NO!!!!`
`02:41.02`	`bzdoug_`	`captain_proton: WHAT EVER SHALL I DO?`
`02:41.31`	`victorvdl`	`bzdoug_: Nah, it is just gonna destroy itself and its immediate surroundings...`
`02:41.45`	`bzdoug_`	`victorvdl: oh, how immediate?`
`02:41.55`	`bzdoug_`	`like the next 40 blocks?`
`02:42.05`	`victorvdl`	`Hey, stop screaming at each other, please.`
`02:42.22`	`bzdoug_`	`victorvdl: ! :P`
`02:42.33`	`bzdoug_`	`he started it`
`02:43.35`	`victorvdl`	`bzdoug_: Ohh, like everything inside your box, you, your house... Probably not much more than that...`
`02:43.40`	`victorvdl`	`bzdoug_: :-D`
`02:43.47`	`bzdoug_`	`victorvdl: ok doke`
`02:44.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`scanline will be a big somebody in bz-land when he puts in the new font system`
`02:45.32`	`bzdoug_`	`MrApathyCream: is that a forcast? or a bribe?`
`02:45.40`	`*** join/#bzflag anotherScanline (~micah@aden2-142-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`02:45.57`	`victorvdl`	`Hmm, my old K62/450 used to regularely go to 145... Before I figured out the problem was that my fan was clogged... ;-)`
`02:46.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzdoug_: it's a preminision`
`02:46.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`any server op wanna try the latest cvs, as regards -fb?`
`02:47.09`	`bzdoug_`	victorvdl`dinner: hah
`02:47.18`	`bzdoug_`	`~dict preminision`
`02:47.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`~spell preminision`
`02:47.31`		`possible spellings for preminision: premonition premonitions pretension permission premonition's remission precision prevision predomination reminiscing`
`02:47.37`	`scanline`	`premonition`
`02:47.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah! premonition`
`02:47.40`	`bzdoug_`	`~dict premonition`
`02:47.48`	`bzdoug_`	`warning?`
`02:47.50`	`bzdoug_`	`yikes`
`02:51.28`	`scanline`	`you should cut apart each wire, then twist the cable together. It improves the signal coherence.`
`02:52.08`	`bzdoug_`	`uh huh`
`02:52.25`	`bzdoug_`	`yea... yea right....`
`02:52.35`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, but round cables would be nice in this case`
`02:53.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`buehler?`
`02:53.32`	`bzdoug_`	`?`
`02:53.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`any server op wanna try the latest cvs, as regards -fb?`
`02:53.56`	`bzdoug_`	`-fb?`
`02:53.59`	`bzdoug_`	`whats that do?`
`02:54.13`	`bzdoug_`	`floating bullets?`
`02:54.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`flags are created on buildings, not just redropped on them`
`02:54.21`	`bzdoug_`	`oh?!!`
`02:54.23`	`bzdoug_`	`thats cool`
`02:54.34`	`bzdoug_`	`let me try`
`02:54.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`you can now have a world with a fully covered floor, and flags, and it won't hang`
`02:55.04`	`bzdoug_`	`?`
`02:55.05`	`captain_proton`	`=)`
`02:55.06`	`bzdoug_`	`how will tanks spawn?`
`02:55.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`well ok you got me there`
`02:55.19`	`bzdoug_`	`tell me that`
`02:55.34`	`bzdoug_`	`I will try it anyway`
`02:55.36`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`02:55.41`	`bzdoug_`	`just to humor an old guy`
`02:56.02`	`bzdoug_`	`?`
`02:56.04`	`bzdoug_`	`-tsb?`
`02:56.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`tanks spawn on buildings`
`02:56.23`	`bzdoug_`	`hah`
`02:56.26`	`bzdoug_`	`hahhahaha`
`02:56.33`	`bzdoug_`	`hows that gonna work?`
`02:56.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`would be easy, tho it prolly wouldn't be fair`
`02:57.12`	`bzdoug_`	`oh?`
`02:57.14`	`bzdoug_`	`why?`
`02:57.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`why not fair? or why easy?`
`02:57.53`	`bzdoug_`	`both`
`02:57.53`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`02:58.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`easy: cause it works just like flags`
`02:58.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`not fair: cause higher is closer to the 'good' flags`
`02:59.11`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`02:59.55`	`bzdoug_`	`are you doing it?`
`02:59.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`no`
`03:00.03`	`bzdoug_`	`oh`
`03:00.03`	`bzdoug_`	`ok`
`03:00.05`	`bzdoug_`	`-fb?`
`03:00.13`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: the emporium has habanero chips!`
`03:00.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`-fb yes`
`03:00.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzfs -fb`
`03:00.33`	`bzdoug_`	`ok doke`
`03:00.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzfs -fb +f good{4} -j`
`03:01.28`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`03:01.31`	`bzdoug_`	`I have to go`
`03:01.51`	`bzdoug_`	`but taking a -fb on it dont work with +f l :P`
`03:01.55`	`HPP`	`In there, chief`
`03:01.59`	`bzdoug_`	`bah`
`03:02.01`	`bzdoug_`	`bed`
`03:02.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`bedwetter?`
`03:02.14`	`HPP`	`I got over that a couple years ago ;)`
`03:02.18`	`HPP`	`hehe`
`03:02.34`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: yeah i bought a couple bags while over there`
`03:07.16`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: perhaps once I get this damned image aligned center`
`03:08.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`that long?`
`03:10.37`	`captain_proton`	`it looks like XHTML/1.1 has absolutely no way to center an image`
`03:10.57`	`scanline`	`<div align="center">?`
`03:11.25`	`captain_proton`	scanline: `align' is deprecated
`03:11.37`	`scanline`	`hrm`
`03:11.41`	`captain_proton`	they want you to use the CSS `text-align' which isn't working
`03:11.56`	`captain_proton`	`teehee...this piece has a 5-minute-long timpani solo`
`03:13.06`	`victorvdl`	`captain_proton: which piece?`
`03:16.14`	`captain_proton`	`victorvdl: Arvo Pärt's 3rd symphony`
`03:21.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`sigh`
`03:35.32`	`Jormungandr`	`se noai`
`03:35.32`	`Jormungandr`	`a]se ai`
`03:35.36`	`Jormungandr`	`whee`
`03:35.42`	`Jormungandr`	`gotta love screen`
`03:52.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`Jormungandr: got the latest cvs?`
`04:12.29`	`Jormungandr`	`I need to download it, prolly. what's new?`
`04:28.57`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: you have that 'waterish' image somewhere?`
`04:29.10`	`scanline`	`which one, I have a few similar images`
`04:29.24`	`scanline`	`they should all be in /navi/public/media/images/misc`
`04:30.04`	`scanline`	`oh, here it is I think`
`04:30.12`	`scanline`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:30.35`	`scanline`	`the one I used in the terminal was that, with the contrast reduced`
`04:30.39`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: does that wrap?`
`04:30.43`	`scanline`	`yes`
`04:31.09`	`scanline`	`It would make a good background if you blended it with white and/or blurred it`
`04:33.16`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/new/`
`04:33.33`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`04:33.41`	`scanline`	`IMHO it still has too much contrast`
`04:34.32`	`captain_proton`	`better?`
`04:34.47`	`scanline`	`that's good`
`04:35.06`	`scanline`	`could use margins around the "menu" and "content" text of course`
`04:35.21`	`scanline`	`bleh.. the fonts in my mozilla are still uglified though`
`04:35.58`	`scanline`	`actually, just for kicks try this:`
`04:35.59`	`scanline`	`font-family: Verdana, "Lucida Sans", Arial, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif;`
`04:35.59`	`scanline`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:36.44`	`captain_proton`	`reload`
`04:36.58`	`scanline`	`neat`
`04:37.28`	`scanline`	`a little on the big side`
`04:38.07`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`04:38.24`	`scanline`	`what's the proper capitalization for jetstream?`
`04:38.34`	`scanline`	`I've been using all lowercase, since that's what the logo has`
`04:40.16`	`captain_proton`	`lowercase seems good to me`
`04:40.25`	`scanline`	`ok`
`04:40.45`	`scanline`	`"jetstream" seems cooler than "Jetstream", and "JetStream" is just ugly`
`04:41.22`	`scanline`	`too bad jetstream.(org\|com\|net) are all taken though`
`04:41.22`	`captain_proton`	`nice copyright message on our empty layout now`
`04:41.37`	`scanline`	`whee`
`04:43.21`	`scanline`	`indeed`
`04:45.29`	`captain_proton`	`there, now it'll let us put content in the 'content' frame without margins`
`04:45.43`	`captain_proton`	`if we want to further subdivide`
`04:48.01`	`captain_proton`	`eek`
`04:49.03`	`captain_proton`	`server-push jpeg would be cooler`
`04:49.22`	`scanline`	`haha`
`04:49.26`	`scanline`	`hmm...`
`04:49.31`	`scanline`	`video4linux :)`
`04:49.50`	`scanline`	`I wonder if libvncserver has improved much since I last looked at it`
`04:52.24`	`captain_proton`	`hm`
`04:53.25`	`scanline`	`uh oh`
`04:55.13`	`captain_proton`	`take a look >:)`
`04:56.49`	`scanline`	`eek`
`04:56.58`	`scanline`	`it's a... corner thingy!`
`04:58.41`	`captain_proton`	`there, better`
`05:01.14`	`captain_proton`	`(there is a nonzero margin) ???`
`05:02.14`	`scanline`	`the dotted line under "announcements" is touching it`
`05:02.56`	`captain_proton`	`ah i can fix that`
`05:02.58`	`captain_proton`	`after i get this working`
`05:04.07`	`scanline`	`hmm..`
`05:04.15`	`scanline`	`libvncserver still has nothing resembling a real build system`
`05:04.30`	`scanline`	`but, since it's GPL I suppose I could just suck it into the pgserver source tree :)`
`05:04.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:04.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`aah`
`05:06.51`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: =)`
`05:07.18`	`scanline`	`uh oh`
`05:07.28`	`scanline`	`I forgot that emerging tightvnc meant compiling an X server`
`05:10.34`	`captain_proton`	`well i got the text wrapping`
`05:10.48`	`captain_proton`	`now i need to get the container layout to stretch with the content`
`05:13.17`	`*** join/#bzflag KnightMare (1000@ip68-107-165-224.lu.dl.cox.net)`
`05:13.23`	`*** join/#bzflag victorvdl (~victor@ip62.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com)`
`05:14.01`	`KnightMare`	`Hey guys, whats new..`
`05:14.08`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: hey.... mplayer needs a server push jpeg output plugin`
`05:14.19`	`scanline`	`KnightMare: peanut butter and pistachios!`
`05:14.31`	`KnightMare`	`yummy`
`05:15.40`	`KnightMare`	`anybody use Limewire?`
`05:17.02`	`KnightMare`	`guess thats a big No..`
`05:17.20`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: like the text float? :}`
`05:17.40`	`scanline`	`eep`
`05:18.52`	`KnightMare`	`ok, one more question... Any linux users have SQL installed?`
`05:19.22`	`KnightMare`	`arf?`
`05:19.31`	`KnightMare`	`ok, thanks for the help... gotta go :)`
`05:38.14`	`fiberchunks`	`what's the c++ equiv of stdlib.h?`
`05:39.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`mmmm, what part?`
`05:39.30`	`captain_proton`	`fiberchunks: <cstdlib> ?`
`05:39.41`	`fiberchunks`	`thx`
`05:40.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`isn't that just a namespace wrapper?`
`05:40.43`	`Jormungandr`	`MAC?`
`05:40.44`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: pretty much`
`05:40.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`Jormungandr: ?`
`05:40.57`	`Jormungandr`	`what's new in cvs that I should download for?`
`05:41.09`	`Jormungandr`	`it's been about a week since last one.`
`05:41.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'd be interested to see what you thought of -fb improvements`
`05:41.22`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`05:41.23`	`Jormungandr`	`oooh`
`05:41.27`	`Jormungandr`	`okie.`
`05:41.30`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm.`
`05:41.38`	`Jormungandr`	`let me see if I can d/l from here.`
`05:41.54`	`Jormungandr`	`can't do it from home later, cuz I have to be up early for a long drive.`
`05:42.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`kind of cold to play golf, no?`
`05:42.30`	`Jormungandr`	`it was 70something here today.`
`05:42.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`~fishbat Jormungandr`
`05:43.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`8 here`
`05:46.41`	`scanline`	`Make sure you have the latest libfreetype`
`05:48.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`gotit`
`05:50.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, looks alot like old system.-- well it's a start`
`05:51.45`	`captain_proton`	`there we go`
`05:51.48`	`captain_proton`	`bit of a hack, but it works`
`05:52.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`aligned?`
`05:53.07`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (timr@rikers.org)`
`05:53.39`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/new/`
`05:55.09`	`scanline`	`wow, never seen a web site do that before`
`05:58.15`	`captain_proton`	`:)`
`05:59.05`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: resized the window`
`05:59.05`	`captain_proton`	`?`
`06:00.37`	`Jormungandr`	`ack customers == evil`
`06:01.11`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`06:09.47`	`Jormungandr`	`downloading newest cvs.`
`06:12.25`	`Jormungandr`	`it's running on dragon.org, now.`
`06:12.30`	`Jormungandr`	`will check it out when I get home.`
`06:12.31`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`06:13.26`	`Jormungandr`	`been hectic. just linked my dragon.org irc server to opennet, and now hybnet is all on my case to link. :(`
`06:14.05`	`TimRiker`	`tell me about the new -fb code... /me reads`
`06:14.08`	`Jormungandr`	`cuz friend is on hybnet routing committee.`
`06:14.23`	`Jormungandr`	`trying to guilt trip into moving server link.`
`06:14.52`	`Jormungandr`	`tim... my old complaint was for the basement map that flags with -fb weren't dropping in high places.`
`06:15.06`	`Jormungandr`	`so I imagine this fixes that.`
`06:15.07`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`06:15.19`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm anxious to see.`
`06:15.40`	`Jormungandr`	`I go back to 4-11:30 tomorrow instead of 12:30`
`06:15.44`	`Jormungandr`	`yay.`
`06:16.54`	`Jormungandr`	`I can play more bzflag on that shift :)`
`06:17.49`	`Jormungandr`	`is there one good all-round info bot thingy for eggdrop?`
`06:19.11`	`Jormungandr`	`right now, I'm just going through tcl list on egghelp and downloading everything info-y`
`06:23.42`	`Jormungandr`	`are they publicly available?`
`06:24.59`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: reload`
`06:25.31`	`captain_proton`	`so now the menu/announcements can be arbitrarily long`
`06:25.40`	`scanline`	`cool`
`06:27.29`	`captain_proton`	`ooo`
`06:28.06`	`scanline`	`well, almost as in I haven't tested the video code and haven't started the input code`
`06:28.20`	`scanline`	`but it should be really easy for each VNC client to get its own independent mouse cursor`
`06:29.25`	`captain_proton`	`>:)`
`06:29.48`	`captain_proton`	`how will you handle input with regards to focus?`
`06:30.14`	`scanline`	`currently only one widget can have focus per divtree`
`06:30.39`	`captain_proton`	`would be nice if you could have a per-client focus`
`06:30.43`	`scanline`	`would have to change that for multiple cursors controlled by different people to be really useful`
`06:36.29`	`TimRiker`	`interesting...`
`06:36.44`	`TimRiker`	`ibot: blootbot`
`06:36.44`		`somebody said blootbot was is a SF project. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/`
`06:37.28`	`TimRiker`	`captain_proton made it so the floats are the same as the boxes <- huh?`
`06:38.07`	`Jormungandr`	`I d/l it and am installing it now :)`
`06:38.09`	`captain_proton`	`TimRiker: ignore that :)`
`06:38.14`	`Jormungandr`	`growing my cpan folder first.`
`06:41.04`	`TimRiker`	`is anon cvs up at SF yet? the last blootbot tarball is really old. I've fixed a ton of stuff, but we've not made a new release yet.`
`06:41.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`anon is up`
`06:41.32`	`TimRiker`	`looks like it might be up.`
`06:41.48`	`TimRiker`	`Jormungandr: get a cvs snapshot for blootbot. do NOT used the old tarball.`
`06:41.58`	`Jormungandr`	`I just downloaded the tarball`
`06:42.00`	`Jormungandr`	`okie`
`06:42.01`	`TimRiker`	`~spell Jormungandr`
`06:42.01`		`possible spellings for Jormungandr: Communicant Communicants Commandant Communicant's Womankind Communicator Communicated Cotangent Commandants Communicate Mankind Commentary Humankind Communicators Cotangents`
`06:42.06`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`06:42.10`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`06:42.18`	`TimRiker`	`~spell TimRiker`
`06:42.19`		`possible spellings for TimRiker: Tricker Trike Timider Timelier Trickier Trucker Mirier Toymaker Tinker Striker Timer Tracker Trekker Trier Trigger Mimicker Tiebreaker Murkier Trimer Timmie Ticker Triked Trikes Turmeric Truckee Timber Triter Tamika Tamiko Torrider Murker`
`06:42.21`	`Jormungandr`	`Jormungandr is spell perfectly correct.`
`06:42.24`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`06:42.31`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: eek, it scrolls!`
`06:42.34`	`TimRiker`	`heh Trekker. ;-)`
`06:42.56`	`Jormungandr`	`timmie is funny`
`06:43.04`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: yeah, i want to eliminate that horizontal scroll bar though`
`06:43.05`	`Jormungandr`	`turmeric is interesting`
`06:44.54`	`Jormungandr`	`got new cvs of bl00tie`
`06:45.43`	`TimRiker`	`~dict turmeric`
`06:46.11`	`Jormungandr`	`I use tumeric in my kitchen. :)`
`06:46.20`	`Jormungandr`	`turmeric tha tis`
`06:46.27`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`06:47.37`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm all happy that my server is finally linked to somewhere.`
`06:47.43`	`Jormungandr`	`not happy that politics happened.`
`06:50.08`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: reload`
`06:50.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.28`	`scanline`	`no more scroll bars, yay!`
`06:50.57`	`captain_proton`	`why, this IS #bzflag!`
`06:51.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, maybe i should try #jetstream`
`07:04.04`	`TimRiker`	`Jormungandr: politics?`
`07:04.41`	`Jormungandr`	`joined a net, and friend of mine is bigwig on hybnet, got all pissy cuz I didn't join them instead.`
`07:04.44`	`Jormungandr`	`totally whined at me`
`07:04.46`	`Jormungandr`	`for hours.`
`07:05.27`	`Jormungandr`	`she's still not talking to me.`
`07:15.05`	`scanline`	`anyone here have a VNC client handy?`
`07:18.28`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: i believe so`
`07:18.33`	`captain_proton`	`yep`
`07:18.43`	`scanline`	`try connecting to this IP`
`07:19.03`	`captain_proton`	`teehee`
`07:19.18`	`captain_proton`	`Boing!`
`07:19.22`	`TimRiker`	`apt-get install xvncviewer`
`07:19.23`	`scanline`	`hmm, when you connected my client disconnected`
`07:19.44`	`scanline`	`but it looks like the hextile encoding is working`
`07:19.56`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: for other vncservers there was some option that was needed to turn on multi-client`
`07:19.58`	`scanline`	`TimRiker: I wanted to get a remote person to test this, if I connect locally it doesn't use any compression`
`07:20.00`	`captain_proton`	`same for libvncserver?`
`07:20.11`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: I had it running four clients from my machine simultaneously`
`07:20.14`	`captain_proton`	`i seem to see your mouse cursor though`
`07:20.16`	`TimRiker`	`-share`
`07:20.20`	`scanline`	`I think there's a client-side option that blocks other clients`
`07:20.33`	`scanline`	`haven't implemented any input yet, so you can't close the dialog`
`07:20.46`	`captain_proton`	`ah`
`07:20.48`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: is yours still connected?`
`07:20.54`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`07:21.04`	`captain_proton`	`kick you off?`
`07:21.11`	`scanline`	`nope, I have two clients running now`
`07:21.22`	`captain_proton`	`i neede to use -shared on my viewer`
`07:21.50`	`TimRiker`	`can you do anything?`
`07:22.02`	`scanline`	`TimRiker: nope, haven't written the input code yet`
`07:22.10`	`TimRiker`	`ah`
`07:22.23`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`07:22.30`	`scanline`	`next step is to implement all the things that used to be command line options in the vnc server, like authentication and setting the port`
`07:22.30`	`captain_proton`	`this could be fun once input works >:)`
`07:22.32`	`scanline`	`then I'll do input`
`07:22.36`	`scanline`	`indeed :)`
`07:23.48`	`TimRiker`	`someone else move the pointer...`
`07:24.30`	`captain_proton`	`TimRiker: hang on a sec`
`07:25.49`	`captain_proton`	`TimRiker: i was moving it around`
`07:25.56`	`captain_proton`	`for 30 seconds or so`
`07:25.59`	`captain_proton`	`before i left`
`07:26.00`	`TimRiker`	`not here you weren't`
`07:26.12`	`captain_proton`	`i saw you moving it`
`07:26.17`	`TimRiker`	`hmm...`
`07:26.18`	`captain_proton`	`was your cursor in the window?`
`07:26.49`	`scanline`	`hmm, my "cursor" has the same pseudo-x-blob shape that captain_proton's had`
`07:27.04`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: you need a way to have a pg client query the pgserver if its using libvncserver to get a list of connected clients`
`07:27.28`	`scanline`	`I'm getting a bunch of debug info from libvncserver, including what clients connect`
`07:27.51`	`scanline`	`that would be a good job for a driver message...`
`07:27.58`	`TimRiker`	`my cursor is there now...`
`07:28.29`	`TimRiker`	`stopped`
`07:28.33`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`07:28.48`	`TimRiker`	`and disconnected`
`07:29.03`	`scanline`	`apparently it didn't like that theme`
`07:29.16`	`TimRiker`	`back`
`07:29.48`	`scanline`	`19/01/2003 00:29:25 framebuffer updates 551, rectangles 1188, bytes 1010486`
`07:29.51`	`scanline`	`19/01/2003 00:29:25 raw bytes equivalent 3265108, compression ratio 3.231683`
`07:29.53`	`scanline`	`neat`
`07:30.57`	`TimRiker`	`cool`
`07:32.00`	`TimRiker`	`no text on the japanese screen.`
`07:32.01`	`Jormungandr`	`well, it's running FWIW`
`07:32.05`	`Jormungandr`	`blootbot :)`
`07:32.14`	`Jormungandr`	`need to head home... ttyl.`
`07:32.16`	`Jormungandr`	`&`
`07:32.28`	`TimRiker`	`Jormungandr: where is "it" ?`
`07:32.30`	`scanline`	`yeah, I don't have any japanese fonts loaded at the moment`
`07:32.45`	`Jormungandr`	`tim... dragon.org channel #sunwise`
`07:32.52`	`TimRiker`	`ah`
`07:32.55`	`Jormungandr`	`will play with it later.`
`07:33.09`	`Jormungandr`	`:) gotta get home :)`
`07:34.16`	`TimRiker`	`now I see a cursor...`
`07:34.21`	`scanline`	`eh.. I suck at connect four`
`07:34.59`	`TimRiker`	`can't move it though.`
`07:35.25`	`scanline`	`it's my cursor, coming from a picogui app that acts as a remote input driver`
`07:37.28`	`scanline`	`whee, stars`
`07:37.57`	`TimRiker`	`is someone funding picogui development? where is it headed? are there any commercial products using it? or is it just a hobby?`
`07:38.17`	`TimRiker`	`that's fast for a net app.`
`07:38.27`	`scanline`	`Mainly a hobby, though I occasionally get paid for adding features`
`07:38.34`	`TimRiker`	`by who?`
`07:38.36`	`scanline`	`there are a couple companies using it that I know about`
`07:38.57`	`scanline`	`Earlier this year I got paid by Ridgerun, who was using it on a cell phone platform.. but they went out of business`
`07:39.11`	`TimRiker`	`ah`
`07:39.31`	`scanline`	`I've been occasionally doing work for Smartdata. They were originally doing a modular PDA with processor, LCD, and battery cards that slid into a frame. now they're doing a set-top-box-thingy that interfaces with cellphones`
`07:40.12`	`scanline`	`I started picogui for my own homemade PDA, the Kiwi... but picogui took over, and I haven't worked on the kiwi in a long time`
`07:40.15`	`TimRiker`	`are there plans for a web browser?`
`07:40.54`	`scanline`	`Yes. The textbox widget will get at least HTML 3.2 support, and there's already a web browser GUI and networking code that uses the textbox widget. If necessary, we could also port gecko or HTML as a picogui widget`
`07:41.15`	`scanline`	`haha`
`07:41.15`	`TimRiker`	`er #PicoGui`
`07:42.34`	`captain_proton`	`ooooooooo`
`07:42.41`	`captain_proton`	`http://sgi.com/peripherals/displays/f220/`
`07:42.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`badger on hashmark`
`07:44.22`	`stibnite`	`eh?`
`07:44.27`	`stibnite`	`what abut badger?`
`07:44.31`	`stibnite`	`what about hashmark?`
`07:49.04`	`stibnite`	`can somebody help clear up some of my ignorance?`
`07:49.16`	`stibnite`	`MrApathyCream says that badger is playing 'crs'`
`07:49.19`	`stibnite`	`what does that mean?`
`07:51.41`	`captain_proton`	`badger = crs = original author of bzflag`
`07:51.50`	`stibnite`	`ah!`
`07:51.54`	`stibnite`	`cool`
`07:52.12`	`stibnite`	`i recognized the initials, but thought he might be speaking of some cheat. :)`
`08:02.24`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm. only one flag was on the roof. what is different in -fb?`
`08:08.52`	`*** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@aden2-142-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`08:16.30`	`*** join/#bzflag captain_proton (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`08:16.30`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by brunner.freenode.net`
`08:17.27`	`*** join/#bzflag captain_proton (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`08:17.27`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by brunner.freenode.net`
`08:18.44`	`*** join/#bzflag rooter ([BEEu02FWN@webguy.cc.westga.edu)`
`08:19.20`	`TimRiker`	`Jormungandr: I set a local server to 500 flags, and got a few on buildings.`
`08:19.40`	`TimRiker`	`also got some hanging off the edge of a building. so something is a bit off.`
`08:21.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`-fb only adds flags to building tops (now) if original location was in a building`
`08:21.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`It doesn't go hog wild and search for a building top`
`08:21.37`	`*** join/#bzflag captain_proton (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`08:21.37`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by brunner.freenode.net`
`08:21.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`as before it randomly picks, x, y z=0.`
`08:22.07`	`*** join/#bzflag captain_proton (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`08:22.07`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by brunner.freenode.net`
`08:22.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`If that's in a building it recursively puts the flag on the top of the building`
`08:22.32`	`stibnite`	`wow`
`08:22.40`	`stibnite`	`i feel, like, starstruck now`
`08:22.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`08:22.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`did you remember to get an autograph?`
`08:23.24`	`stibnite`	`no, and i wasn't kidding about yours`
`08:23.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`my....?`
`08:23.48`	`stibnite`	`your signature on the bzfs manpage`
`08:23.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`08:25.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`so i guess the question is why is playerstate != NotConnected`
`08:25.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`for problem player`
`08:27.24`	`stibnite`	`MrApathyCream: do you want a copy of the debug package i sent Tim?`
`08:27.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`debug package?`
`08:27.52`	`stibnite`	`and btw, i asked Jordan Hubbard for an autograph of rc.conf (5)`
`08:28.06`	`stibnite`	`yeah, i have a bunch of system info and debug logs from when the game did that.`
`08:28.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`sure, probably won't learn anything from it, but one can hope... dcc?`
`08:28.47`	`stibnite`	`looks like i did catch the IP locked in CLOSE_WAIT`
`08:28.53`	`stibnite`	`sure i'll dcc it 1 sec`
`08:29.06`	`stibnite`	`oh and btw, german translation will be xferred in the morning`
`08:29.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`stibnite: cool`
`08:29.55`	`stibnite`	`i ended up learning a lot about the game by answering the translator's questions. :)`
`08:30.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`08:32.50`	`stibnite`	`that file contains the output of some commands, and the 'main' directory which contains logfiles`
`08:33.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-bugs/1995/07/23/0000.html`
`08:33.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`08:34.14`	`stibnite`	`and that system is FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE`
`08:34.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`there seems to be a lot of activity regarding this on *nix`
`08:38.09`	`stibnite`	`well, if it helps, that box has 6 or 7 brothers, and i'm not seeing this anywhere but with bzflag`
`08:44.39`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: there is the exact same problem in windows >2k, because they adopted the BSD TCP/IP stack`
`08:44.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`mmm`
`08:45.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`so if your in CLOSE_WAIT what does recv do?`
`08:45.23`	`captain_proton`	`probably returns 0 or -1`
`08:45.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`if we just set status to NotSelected`
`08:45.36`	`captain_proton`	`i'd guess -1`
`08:45.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`in this case, we won't add it to FDSET and problem goes away, no?`
`08:45.58`	`captain_proton`	`anyone up for a short decks game`
`08:46.32`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: supposedly, yes. problem is the file descriptor is still used. better to try to set up some sort of poll() that will detect this state and issue another proper shutdown()`
`08:46.56`	`captain_proton`	`at least i think`
`08:51.59`	`scanline`	`wow, my roommate's back`
`08:52.07`	`scanline`	`how weird`
`08:53.02`	`fiberchunks`	`rap man?`
`08:53.17`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: nah`
`08:53.32`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: I think I've heard him listen to music maybe... twice`
`08:53.48`	`scanline`	`sounds like he got back from a tournament`
`08:54.33`	`scanline`	`hmm.. or something`
`09:02.22`	`scanline`	`apparently his friend drove back here drunk`
`09:02.38`	`fiberchunks`	`heh - fun`
`09:03.08`	`TimRiker`	`xmission is in the CLOSE_WAIT state right now.`
`09:07.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`what does recv return for that socket`
`09:08.24`	`TimRiker`	`accept() from 80.192.70.65:32828 on 8`
`09:08.24`	`TimRiker`	`Player Chick-A-Chop [8]: /lagstats`
`09:08.24`	`TimRiker`	`accept() from 80.192.70.65:32830 on 16`
`09:08.43`	`TimRiker`	`perhaps it's the initial tcp socket that does not get closed?`
`09:09.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`could be`
`09:09.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker ponder breaking netprot now, to fix bug`
`09:12.51`	`TimRiker`	`tried close(8) in gdb, but server did not survive that. ;-)`
`09:13.25`	`TimRiker`	`perhaps.... would be nice to fix it though and get g2 out.`
`09:13.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`09:14.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`s /ponder/ponders/`
`09:17.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`confused:`
`09:17.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`static void addClient(int acceptSocket)`
`09:17.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`{`
`09:17.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:17.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`how do we know that it's playerIndex that is being added?`
`09:21.13`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. could be that we close the wrong handle if two people join at the same time?`
`09:21.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'm wondering`
`09:24.45`	`TimRiker`	`what would happen if we close the initial handle right after sending version?`
`09:25.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`close it from the server?`
`09:25.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`should be ok, no?`
`09:25.51`	`scanline`	`whee`
`09:26.01`	`scanline`	`each VNC client has a working mouse cursor now`
`09:26.16`	`TimRiker`	`hmm, does not seem to.`
`09:30.36`	`TimRiker`	`could save the initial connect address and compare it on the next accept.`
`09:30.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`i don't see how it works without that.`
`09:31.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`but apparently i'm not seeing things clearly cause usually it does`
`09:31.09`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: you running a server?`
`09:31.17`	`scanline`	`yep`
`09:31.25`	`scanline`	`and I got someone from #openzaurus to connect to it :)`
`09:31.37`	`captain_proton`	`input work?`
`09:31.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`Altho i spose as long as connections are serialized, it's ok`
`09:31.44`	`scanline`	`mouse does`
`09:31.54`	`scanline`	`hmm, getting really slow`
`09:32.02`	`captain_proton`	`yeah, here too`
`09:32.02`	`scanline`	`I think my socket code is b0rken`
`09:33.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`reconnect port used to be randomized for each client, is that not so?`
`09:33.11`	`scanline`	`haha`
`09:33.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`which would have solved the problem before`
`09:33.28`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: do you see the "SIGPIPE recieved (ignoring it)" with the sad macintosh icon?`
`09:33.43`	`scanline`	`funky`
`09:33.50`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: yep`
`09:34.09`	`scanline`	`maybe I'll go back to running a separate thread for the VNC server`
`09:34.30`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: is there a 2-player connect-4 mode? :}`
`09:35.40`	`TimRiker`	`committed, check that out.`
`09:35.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`09:36.21`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: not yet, but there is a 2-player battleship :)`
`09:36.29`	`captain_proton`	`hm`
`09:36.39`	`captain_proton`	`can't you see each others pieces then?`
`09:36.45`	`scanline`	`oh wait`
`09:36.51`	`scanline`	`it wasn't battleship that was 2-player...`
`09:36.56`	`scanline`	`it was gridgame`
`09:36.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, nothing new,`
`09:37.15`	`scanline`	`ataxx and overflow`
`09:37.29`	`scanline`	`hmm, redraw problems...`
`09:38.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: are you sure you committed?`
`09:41.23`	`TimRiker`	`er, nope...`
`09:41.38`	`TimRiker`	`did now.`
`09:42.14`	`TimRiker`	`Player Tim [0] has joined from 127.0.0.1:33319 on 7`
`09:42.22`	`TimRiker`	`etc. to help with debugging.`
`09:42.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`good`
`09:43.07`	`TimRiker`	`usaully there would only be one player in Accept mode.`
`09:43.31`	`TimRiker`	`not so, now we have -pr`
`09:43.42`	`TimRiker`	`might have broken things there. =(`
`09:44.45`	`TimRiker`	`yep, should probably save the ip and check on reconnect.`
`09:44.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`4:44 MrsApathyCream is yelling now... Must sleep`
`09:44.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`09:45.01`	`TimRiker`	`~fishslap crs from broken netcode designs`
`09:45.02`		`ACTION slaps crs from broken netcode designs up side the head with a wet fish.`
`09:45.09`	`TimRiker`	`er for... ;-)`
`10:15.14`	`captain_proton`	`arg`
`10:17.52`	`scanline`	`sdl is very diggable`
`10:18.19`	`fiberchunks`	`course, I'm just learning the ropes -- but it's pretty impressive what you can handle with just a few lines of code`
`10:22.36`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`10:25.21`	`fiberchunks`	`gnite all`
`10:26.38`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: how late is silver mine open?`
`10:26.49`	`scanline`	`3:00`
`10:27.01`	`captain_proton`	`damn`
`10:28.41`	`captain_proton`	`perhaps i should just go to bed`
`10:30.32`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`10:30.35`	`scanline`	`this is working better`
`10:33.14`	`fiberchunks`	`hey, fore I'm off, can one of you splain this to me: [Thu Jan 16 05:16:33 2003] [error] [client 64.252.6.220] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/scripts/..�^\../winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.14`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 05:16:49 2003] [error] [client 64.252.6.220] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/scripts/..��../winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.14`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 05:16:58 2003] [error] [client 64.252.6.220] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/scripts/..�~\../winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.14`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 05:17:27 2003] [error] [client 64.252.6.220] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.17`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 05:17:36 2003] [error] [client 64.252.6.220] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.21`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 07:01:43 2003] [error] [client 64.238.238.233] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/scripts/root.exe`
`10:33.22`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 07:01:43 2003] [error] [client 64.238.238.233] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/MSADC/root.exe`
`10:33.25`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 07:01:43 2003] [error] [client 64.238.238.233] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.28`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 07:01:43 2003] [error] [client 64.238.238.233] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.31`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 07:01:43 2003] [error] [client 64.238.238.233] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.36`	`fiberchunks`	`[Thu Jan 16 07:01:44 2003] [error] [client 64.238.238.233] File does not exist: /var/www/bzbb/_vti_bin/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe`
`10:33.39`	`fiberchunks`	`sorry about the flood, btw`
`10:35.25`	`captain_proton`	`fiberchunks: someone is trying to use old IIS hacks on you`
`10:36.02`	`fiberchunks`	`is it deliberate, or just someone's system is hosered up (with a trojan or whatnot), and they are inadvertently doing it?`
`10:36.33`	`captain_proton`	`fiberchunks: it could be a worm that someone has contracted, it could be deliberate`
`10:36.38`	`captain_proton`	`in any case you can very safely ignore it`
`10:36.49`	`fiberchunks`	`I do.`
`10:37.06`	`scanline`	`haha`
`10:37.17`	`scanline`	`it's funny watching random people from #gentoo playing with this picogui session`
`10:37.29`	`scanline`	`seems to be working mostly-nonbuggedly with mouse input`
`10:37.33`	`fiberchunks`	`I'm just interested in the signature of the thing really - if it is a compromised system, I figured I'd be neighborly and let the system owner know (as there are multiple instances of this in my logs`
`10:38.08`	`fiberchunks`	`and in the other case, file an abuse report with the appropriate people`
`10:38.25`	`fiberchunks`	`multiple instances not all originating from same ip`
`10:38.38`	`scanline`	`wonder if VNC supports the mouse wheel...`
`10:39.08`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: i believe so`
`10:39.16`	`captain_proton`	`easy enough to test`
`10:39.36`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm -- have to google on this tomorrow...thx captain_proton`
`10:39.56`	`scanline`	`well, the callback I implemented for mouse events had no parameter for the wheel`
`10:40.02`	`scanline`	`will need to look at the protocol doc`
`10:40.39`	`fiberchunks`	`gnite again`
`10:41.44`	`scanline`	`peanut butter and pistachio sandwich?`
`10:41.58`	`captain_proton`	`worse`
`10:42.00`	`captain_proton`	`maltomeal`
`10:42.06`	`scanline`	`ha`
`10:42.38`	`captain_proton`	`ooh`
`10:42.41`	`captain_proton`	`nice vnc artifacts`
`10:42.52`	`scanline`	`which ones?`
`10:43.05`	`captain_proton`	`on redraw`
`10:44.18`	`scanline`	`wow.. a png file`
`10:44.27`	`captain_proton`	`:)`
`10:44.44`	`captain_proton`	`this smells so appetizing...`
`10:45.07`	`captain_proton`	`and has an uncanny amount of flavor`
`10:45.30`	`captain_proton`	`keyboard support?`
`10:45.37`	`captain_proton`	`oh right`
`10:45.58`	`scanline`	`haha`
`10:48.59`	`scanline`	`damn it's funny watching you use DVORAK :)`
`10:49.53`	`captain_proton`	`:P`
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`10:52.13`	`captain_scanline`	`why, hello there`
`10:52.19`	`scanline`	`hi captain_scanline`
`10:52.25`	`captain_scanline`	`oh yeah...`
`10:52.34`	`captain_scanline`	`that's the bug I was about to fix before I decided to mess with VNC`
`10:52.39`	`captain_scanline`	`haha`
`10:52.56`	`captain_scanline`	`this is more than a bit weird`
`10:53.03`	`captain_proton`	`LIAR!`
`10:54.30`	`captain_scanline`	`anyone else here with us?`
`10:54.41`	`captain_scanline`	`especially anyone with a VNC client :)`
`10:55.37`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`10:55.41`	`scanline`	`something bad happened`
`10:55.55`	`scanline`	`it was supposed to open another panel`
`10:56.00`	`captain_proton`	`quite`
`10:56.07`	`captain_proton`	`xchat crash?`
`10:56.14`	`captain_proton`	`ex-chat!`
`10:56.15`	`scanline`	`I killed it`
`10:56.34`	`scanline`	`hmm, that's odd`
`10:56.40`	`captain_proton`	`indeed`
`10:56.49`	`scanline`	`I tried to start another app, and it won't appear`
`10:56.59`	`scanline`	`but after killing pgboard it will`
`10:57.13`	`scanline`	`hehe, what irony... a shell prompt and no keyboard :)`
`10:57.53`	`captain_proton`	`hey, performance isn't bad`
`10:58.33`	`captain_proton`	`lovely`
`10:59.24`	`captain_proton`	`damn its funny watching you try to use vim :)`
`10:59.31`	`scanline`	`:)`
`10:59.46`	`scanline`	`the buffer garbage in pterm contributed to that a bit`
`11:00.21`	`scanline`	`maybe after lalo fixifies the terminal widget it will run emacs correctly`
`11:01.03`	`captain_proton`	`geez`
`11:01.15`	`captain_proton`	`why can't they run the proglangs class like a normal class?`
`11:01.20`	`captain_proton`	`its all "partner" this and "partner" that`
`11:01.25`	`scanline`	`ew`
`11:01.36`	`scanline`	`wasn't like that last semester`
`11:02.00`	`scanline`	`sometimes the prof asked us to discuss things in small groups for a few minutes, but of course everyone ignored that`
`11:02.55`	`scanline`	`I have an unopened salt shaker borrowed from libby`
`11:03.03`	`captain_proton`	`ooh`
`11:03.09`	`captain_proton`	`may i?`
`11:03.17`	`scanline`	`sure`
`11:05.14`	`captain_proton`	`harumph`
`11:05.17`	`captain_proton`	`still pretty mediocre`
`11:05.55`	`scanline`	`VNC uses X keysyms`
`11:12.40`	`captain_proton`	`i'm sure you've already written code to translate X keysyms to whatever you use`
`11:13.08`	`scanline`	`yes, the keysyms`
`11:13.21`	`scanline`	`but to translate from X keysym to unicode/ascii it uses some Xlib calls`
`11:13.34`	`scanline`	`VNC doesn't provide the unicode/ascii character, so I'll have to do that.. bleh.`
`11:15.26`	`scanline`	`oh.. why am I making ramens.. I have CHILI!`
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`11:58.33`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Hello all`
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`13:16.16`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`any ducati admin here`
`13:16.33`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i dunno what going on ...`
`13:16.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`he must get kicket`
`13:17.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
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`13:18.38`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sussudio?`
`13:18.41`	`sussudio`	`there a cheater on ducati, can someone ban him?`
`13:18.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i just asked`
`13:18.58`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`no wone around`
`13:19.00`	`sussudio`	`:-\|`
`13:19.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`grml`
`13:19.02`	`sussudio`	`grmpf`
`13:19.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`super admins`
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`13:22.33`	`*** topic/#bzflag is 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit \|\| bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ \|\| http://stats.bzflag.org/ \|\| http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html \|\| * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T \|\| <Patlabor221> it's an imporbability drive`
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`13:35.02`	`sussudio`	`:-\|`
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`13:42.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:-$`
`13:49.49`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
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`14:48.41`	`calico`	`tea you here`
`14:51.12`	`calico`	`did ducati just go down or something i cant connect`
`14:51.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`?`
`14:51.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sorry`
`14:51.23`	`calico`	`hey`
`14:51.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ho`
`14:51.27`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`;)`
`14:51.36`	`calico`	`86112050 icq #`
`14:51.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`aaah`
`14:51.54`	`calico`	`can you get on ducati`
`15:04.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`15:05.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`#-#`
`15:07.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`15:11.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
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`15:28.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`-.-`
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`15:39.27`	`hardwire`	`boooooger`
`15:48.43`	`sussudio`	`pig`
`15:55.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`15:59.12`	`sussudio`	`looks like CapN fag is back on`
`15:59.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`15:59.38`	`sussudio`	`i need to be able to SILENCE on ip.......`
`15:59.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`were CapN?`
`15:59.51`	`sussudio`	`s0re_m0nkey`
`15:59.58`	`sussudio`	`he was msging me`
`15:59.58`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`tahst not CapN`
`16:00.04`	`sussudio`	`it is`
`16:00.10`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`nope`
`16:00.17`	`sussudio`	`yes`
`16:00.19`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`nope`
`16:00.33`	`sussudio`	`100% fact`
`16:00.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`yes`
`16:00.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`100% hese not`
`16:00.43`	`sussudio`	`i dont care what you say, it is CapN.`
`16:00.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`well ask others`
`16:01.00`	`sussudio`	`i dont need to`
`16:01.05`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`FrOoT LoOpS`
`16:01.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`CapN , m0nkey_b0y in team`
`16:01.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`bamf...`
`16:01.39`	`Chestal`	`monkey is monkey and CapN is CapN`
`16:01.44`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`yeah`
`16:01.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`correct`
`16:04.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sn0w_m0nkey = m0nkey_b0y = s0re_m0nkey , CapN = CapN`
`16:09.46`	`calico`	`lol`
`16:10.24`	`calico`	`~ducatictf`
`16:14.39`	`sussudio`	`s/,/=/`
`16:16.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`#-#`
`16:16.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`16:36.56`	`jraitala`	`huh`
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`16:53.01`	`Chestal`	`tea: another go for a match later?`
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`17:47.53`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, anyone know of a linux dist that is small, but has x-windows so I cab turn it into a x-11 thin client?`
`17:48.12`	`jzaun`	`any`
`17:48.18`	`jzaun`	`just don't istall everything`
`17:48.23`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`17:48.41`	`bzdoug_`	`is there anything built as a x-11 thin client?`
`17:48.44`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah, LFS`
`17:48.46`	`jzaun`	`RH8 or Mandrake will work`
`17:48.50`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`17:48.53`	`bzdoug_`	`thought so`
`17:49.01`	`jzaun`	`just install the kernel, base system and X`
`17:49.07`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`17:49.34`	`jraitala`	`I find RH8 or Mandrake too 'bloat' for that purpose`
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`17:49.43`	`bzdoug_`	`jraitala: hmm`
`17:49.47`	`jzaun`	`jraitala: even with minimal install?`
`17:49.54`	`jraitala`	`I'd recommend slackware or debian`
`17:50.01`	`bzdoug_`	`ugh`
`17:50.04`	`bzdoug_`	`slackware`
`17:50.07`	`bzdoug_`	`debian is good`
`17:50.14`	`sussudio`	`there's a howto somewhere on how to make an X11 client with debian......`
`17:50.19`	`jraitala`	`jzaun: well, they're not as 'clean' as slackware, for example`
`17:50.23`	`sussudio`	`strips everything else`
`17:50.26`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: hmm`
`17:50.37`	`sussudio`	`it was on slashdot last year`
`17:50.42`	`jzaun`	`jraitala: true, but to clean (slackware) make it a PITA to manage`
`17:50.57`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: hah`
`17:51.00`	`fiberchunks`	`bzdoug_: go here: http://www.distrowatch.com/index.php`
`17:51.11`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hum, slackware. I'm sorta using it. It's not very upto date as far as I can see. very little in it. you seem to compile most of the stuff from source`
`17:51.36`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, I would make this PC a router, but I would need a PCI angle thingy`
`17:51.53`	`bzdoug_`	`on that goes in U1 servers, and allows PCI cards to fit`
`17:51.57`	`bzdoug_`	`sideways`
`17:52.11`	`bzdoug_`	`fiberchunks: cool thanks`
`17:52.29`	`bzdoug_`	`better than linux.org almost`
`17:53.26`	`bzdoug_`	`I REALLY would like a small linux OS that has VPN support`
`17:53.30`	`fiberchunks`	`much -- click on some of the major/minor distribution links, you'll get all manner of linkage`
`17:53.34`	`bzdoug_`	`and router`
`17:53.41`	`bzdoug_`	`fiberchunks: lol`
`17:53.48`	`fiberchunks`	`google on 'linux advanced router project'`
`17:54.15`	`bzdoug_`	`hm`
`17:54.20`	`bzdoug_`	`the PC has no floppy drive`
`17:54.22`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`17:54.27`	`sussudio`	`stupid slashdot search`
`17:54.40`	`bzdoug_`	`and it will be missing a cdrom soon, since it sticks out the front`
`17:55.15`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, but I could turn my p166 into a router`
`17:55.16`	`fiberchunks`	`for a 'distro on a cd' you could try out knoppix (handy for those occasions when the computer just runs windows that you need to work on`
`17:55.18`	`bzdoug_`	`hopefully`
`17:55.25`	`bzdoug_`	`fiberchunks: heh`
`17:56.03`	`fiberchunks`	`I used to have a thing called 'bbc linux' (business card linux), that fit in my wallet`
`17:56.11`	`bzdoug_`	`but the VPN thing is something I would love to learn`
`17:56.29`	`bzdoug_`	`fiberchunks: eh? thats slick, but where do I get cdroms that small?`
`17:56.47`	`fiberchunks`	`they make em`
`17:56.54`	`bzdoug_`	`yea`
`17:56.57`	`bzdoug_`	`but expensive`
`17:57.02`	`sussudio`	`http://www.vlug.org/vlug/meetings/X-terminal_presentation/details.html`
`17:57.05`	`sussudio`	`maybe that one`
`17:57.36`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`17:57.38`	`fiberchunks`	`not those mini-disc things -- you can bulk order blank ones with 2 flat parts and 2 rounded parts`
`17:58.07`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`17:58.08`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`17:58.11`	`bzdoug_`	`ack`
`17:58.12`	`bzdoug_`	`lunch`
`17:58.25`	`sussudio`	`hogfat on toast`
`17:58.47`	`fiberchunks`	`http://www.diskduper.com/bizcard.htm`
`17:59.57`	`fiberchunks`	`but those are repro prices (mass copying), I'm sure you can get blank media for cheap`
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`18:09.26`	`Chestal`	`MrApathyCream: is someone already working on the German translation?`
`18:09.33`	`stibnite`	`yes`
`18:09.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal: nice match again :-)`
`18:10.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`thx for the game`
`18:12.15`	`fiberchunks`	`who's a good manufacturer of nvidia chipset cards these days?`
`18:12.28`	`jzaun`	`nVidia ;-)`
`18:12.39`	`fiberchunks`	`no, they don't make em, just the chipsets`
`18:12.43`	`sussudio`	`good.....nvidia..... words you dont see in one sentence, usually`
`18:13.04`	`fiberchunks`	`my nvid has never given me problems (knocks on wood)`
`18:13.07`	`fiberchunks`	`and ATI sucks worse, imho`
`18:13.20`	`fiberchunks`	`s/worse/more`
`18:13.32`	`sussudio`	`suck my radeon`
`18:13.39`	`fiberchunks`	`eat my Ti500`
`18:13.56`	`Secret_Hamster`	`eat my vga card`
`18:14.25`	`fiberchunks`	`but visiontek went out of business, so I have no idea who a good manufacturer is anymore -- and patlabor's not around`
`18:16.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: I think so, expected translation on monday`
`18:16.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`(coming up)`
`18:17.33`	`Chestal`	`ok`
`18:21.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah, yes stibnite has people doing the german`
`18:22.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`esperanto would be nice`
`18:22.56`	`fiberchunks`	`tell me, if a video card has both DVI and svga connectors, can you hook up both an analog and digital monitor, or is it a one or the other type deal?`
`18:23.27`	`sussudio`	`only if it says 'dual head'`
`18:25.45`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, that's what I thought - thanks`
`18:35.11`	`sussudio`	`http://www.pivx.com/kristovich/adv/mk001/`
`18:38.53`	`fiberchunks`	`cool link`
`18:39.20`	`sussudio`	`notice how the date that this exploit was discovered was about the same time the DDoS on DalNet started?`
`18:39.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`apparently dutch is the most difficult language to translate, sussudio and dutchrai couldn't do it, sigh`
`18:39.55`	`fiberchunks`	`unfamiliar with DDoS on Dalnet, so I have no reference`
`18:40.19`	`stibnite`	`afaik, the dalnet dos is a drdos`
`18:42.40`	`sussudio`	`did dutchrai even start?`
`18:43.09`	`bzdoug_`	`why dutch?`
`18:43.17`	`sussudio`	`~sud`
`18:43.18`		`shut up doug`
`18:43.19`	`bzdoug_`	`every dutch person knows german, right?`
`18:43.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`dunno, but NO ONE can do it`
`18:43.30`	`sussudio`	`~stfu doug`
`18:43.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`i now believe that it is impossible`
`18:43.40`	`bzdoug_`	`how about klingon?`
`18:43.45`	`bzdoug_`	`google has one`
`18:43.46`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`18:43.57`	`sussudio`	`i'm at 25%.....`
`18:44.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzdoug_: if (1) it has a romanized version of Klingon, and (2) you want to do it, fine`
`18:44.08`	`sussudio`	`if i could find the damn dictionary.`
`18:44.12`	`bzdoug_`	`MrApathyCream: bah`
`18:46.07`	`sussudio`	`hmm disrobe... disroot....divisibility......`
`18:46.32`	`jzaun`	`I have the dictionary`
`18:46.39`	`bzdoug_`	`~dict fart`
`18:46.46`	`jzaun`	`could do klingon if you like`
`18:46.46`	`sussudio`	`urgh.... that didnt help`
`18:46.51`	`sussudio`	`~dict dither`
`18:46.53`	`jzaun`	`just got to tell me how`
`18:47.04`	`bzdoug_`	`jzaun: does klingon have the word tank?`
`18:47.09`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`18:47.11`	`sussudio`	`what is dithering supposed to do?`
`18:47.20`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: dithers stuff`
`18:47.25`	`sussudio`	`shut the fuck up doug`
`18:47.35`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`18:47.39`	`jzaun`	`bzdoug_: let me go look`
`18:47.40`	`Chestal`	`sussudio: don't translate it`
`18:47.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: yes, leave it`
`18:47.52`	`Chestal`	`sussudio: you wouldn't trasnslate textures either,would you?`
`18:48.09`	`sussudio`	`dither; to shake, tremble.....`
`18:48.10`	`Chestal`	`hmm, thinkign again, I would`
`18:48.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: but dithering is the process of simulating more colors but putting base colors together in a pattern`
`18:48.33`	`sussudio`	`isnt that blending`
`18:48.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`So to make orange, you can pack yellow and red pixels together`
`18:48.38`	`jzaun`	`bzdoug_: no, it there another word for Tank?`
`18:48.49`	`bzdoug_`	`jzaun: hmm`
`18:48.52`	`fiberchunks`	`armored personnel carrier`
`18:48.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: no, blending works on each pixel`
`18:49.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: dithering uses color patterns`
`18:49.08`	`bzdoug_`	`jzaun: yea! or metal thing with big gun`
`18:49.11`	`fiberchunks`	`~synonym tank`
`18:49.21`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm`
`18:49.21`	`bzdoug_`	`~spell sysnonym`
`18:49.22`		`possible spellings for sysnonym: synonym synonymy synonyms synonym's synonymic`
`18:49.36`	`bzdoug_`	`~synonym tank`
`18:49.42`	`bzdoug_`	`cheap bots`
`18:49.43`	`fiberchunks`	`spell my spelling correctly next time doug`
`18:49.46`	`sussudio`	`so dithering is colormelding?`
`18:49.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`texture can be left alone too`
`18:49.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: perhaps`
`18:50.25`	`jzaun`	`how does one go about makeing a translation for BZF?`
`18:50.48`	`sussudio`	`edit the .po file`
`18:51.39`	`fiberchunks`	`armored combat vehicle`
`18:51.49`	`jzaun`	`is there just a en_US template I can use?`
`18:52.38`	`jzaun`	`NM, I'll use the redneck :-)`
`18:53.33`	`jzaun`	`what would it be called? bzflag_kl?`
`18:54.52`	`sussudio`	`i will finish this damn translation if i have to sacrifice doug to the bunnies`
`18:55.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`18:56.10`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`18:56.48`	`fiberchunks`	`what's the command again to just update my current CVS source tree? cvs -Pdr?`
`18:56.51`	`sussudio`	`prepare to be bunnyfood`
`18:57.12`	`bzdoug_`	`nooo`
`18:57.17`	`bzdoug_`	`not BUNNEY FOOD!`
`18:57.30`	`Chestal`	`fiber: usually, just cvs up will suffice`
`18:57.31`	`bzdoug_`	`like those little round crunchy food pellets?`
`18:57.39`	`fiberchunks`	`Chestal: thx`
`18:57.46`	`Chestal`	`fibger: I guess -Pda are useful options, better lok them up, though`
`18:57.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: sending you an example of dithering`
`18:57.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`dcc`
`18:58.02`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm, what should I export CVSROOT to be?`
`18:58.04`	`sussudio`	`that's not orange`
`18:58.16`	`Chestal`	`fiber: only needed when there are new files / directories etc. in the repository`
`18:58.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`no it's not, but it's closer than yellow or red`
`18:58.36`	`sussudio`	`msgid "Nearest Mipmap Nearest"`
`18:58.38`	`Chestal`	`I haven't set CVSROOT`
`18:58.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: no one translates that`
`18:59.49`	`sussudio`	`can someone translate that into english even?`
`18:59.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`jzaun: en_US_redneck`
`19:00.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: you need to specify -r v1_7 if you want the branch we're working on`
`19:00.57`	`Chestal`	`shouldn't be necessary for jsut a cvs up, though`
`19:00.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: no`
`19:01.12`	`fiberchunks`	`yah, got that mac. I just grabbed the whole thing`
`19:01.59`	`sussudio`	`is there any way to make radar bigger in g0?`
`19:02.18`	`Chestal`	`sussudio: by changign the source, yes`
`19:02.26`	`sussudio`	`:-P`
`19:03.18`	`Chestal`	`it's very easy when opacity=100%, haven't looked at the opacity<100% case`
`19:03.31`	`Chestal`	`I think it would be nice to make id adjustable, any comments?`
`19:03.38`	`sussudio`	`i have it at 100%... i want it bigger`
`19:03.57`	`sussudio`	`normal view is sorta irrelevant on ducati`
`19:04.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: you've got the radar 100% of your screen.... Must be hard to play!@`
`19:04.23`	`sussudio`	`opacity 100........`
`19:04.24`	`Chestal`	`I'm using 3D view on ducati quite a lot`
`19:05.30`	`sussudio`	`msgid "toggle heads-up flag help" .....`
`19:05.41`	`sussudio`	`instrumentenscherm aan/uit?`
`19:05.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`that means you want flag help or not (by typeing the f key)`
`19:06.03`	`sussudio`	`oh.`
`19:06.12`	`sussudio`	`why doesnt it say flag help then`
`19:06.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`ask crs`
`19:06.37`	`Chestal`	`hmm, actually it does`
`19:06.49`	`Chestal`	`toggle heads-up flag help?`
`19:06.51`	`sussudio`	`crs: why?`
`19:07.51`	`fiberchunks`	`cause thalidomide is far more useful ;)`
`19:08.34`	`fiberchunks`	`what's the command for using a locale again?`
`19:08.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzflag -locale en_US_l33t`
`19:09.03`	`fiberchunks`	`thanks`
`19:09.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`en_IE would be nice: De radar is on de lef side av de control panel. it shows an overhead x-ray view av de game.`
`19:09.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: you can also just modify the entry in your bzc file`
`19:10.02`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, k`
`19:10.09`	`Chestal`	`we should agree on how to handle the font sizes etc. better`
`19:10.58`	`sussudio`	`does locale work with g0?`
`19:11.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: no with latest cvs`
`19:11.42`	`fiberchunks`	`MrApathyCream: getting 'unsupported character' @ with the 'l33t' locale`
`19:11.49`	`fiberchunks`	`don't know if it matters or not`
`19:12.16`	`sussudio`	`what is msgid "Flags I"`
`19:12.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`That's the title for the flag help`
`19:12.35`	`sussudio`	`k`
`19:12.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`en_GB_cockney would be cool to: The bloomin' radar is on the left side of the control panel. it shows an overhead x-ray view of the game.`
`19:13.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh:`
`19:13.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`Above the larger box is a tape showing your current heading`
`19:14.25`	`sussudio`	`en_DH (doughecka): The radar is on the left, right next to my pig, it looks slick! It shows an overhead x-ray view of the game, much like this thing i just got on ebay! Hey guys, do you think this is a good deal?`
`19:14.41`	`fiberchunks`	`MrApathyCream: does it matter? (happens with callsign == c@ll519n (anything with an @ in it)`
`19:14.55`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`19:15.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`cockney:Above the bloomin' Mick Charles Fox is a tape showin' your current 'eadin'.`
`19:15.28`	`sussudio`	`eh gov, got some salmon?`
`19:15.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: ok will fix that`
`19:15.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`one sec`
`19:15.45`	`fiberchunks`	`just wondering why it happens, don't care if it's fixed really`
`19:17.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, cvs up to get the fix`
`19:18.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: to catch unhandled accent chars, i have temporarily put in some code that makes sure nothing 'illegal' slips thru`
`19:18.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: this will be removed later... but forgot @`
`19:19.32`	`fiberchunks`	`MrApathyCream: what modules are the l10n code contained in?`
`19:19.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: mosely src/common/Bundle.cxx and src/common/BundleMgr.cxx`
`19:20.02`	`fiberchunks`	`k, thx`
`19:20.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: used by HUDui.cxx (menus), and HUDRenderer.cxx`
`19:20.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`--for the most part`
`19:21.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`bbiab`
`19:22.39`	`sussudio`	`msgid "Oscillation Overthruster"`
`19:22.39`	`sussudio`	`err`
`19:26.02`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`19:27.03`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl8x93.chesco.com)`
`19:28.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`now you can change it`
`19:28.29`	`sussudio`	`colorkiller?`
`19:29.57`	`jzaun`	`err how does one get a blank .po to start?`
`19:30.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'll dcc you one`
`19:30.35`	`jzaun`	`no`
`19:30.38`	`jzaun`	`plz dont`
`19:30.41`	`jzaun`	`that will crash me`
`19:30.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`19:30.49`	`jzaun`	`jzaun@jzaun.com`
`19:30.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`19:30.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`maybe i should check it in`
`19:37.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzflag_xx.po added to cvs`
`19:37.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`If you use this locale, all translated strings will be blank :)`
`19:37.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`jzaun: what'ya doin?`
`19:38.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`or just lookin?`
`19:38.03`	`jzaun`	`sry`
`19:38.09`	`jzaun`	`was on another screen`
`19:38.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`np`
`19:38.29`	`jzaun`	`I have to # out all not translated strings?`
`19:38.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`19:38.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`otherwise the strings will be converted to blank`
`19:38.47`	`jzaun`	`ok, and what shoudl xx be?`
`19:38.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`documented in the cvs version`
`19:39.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`but,`
`19:39.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`the locale as specified by`
`19:39.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`<language>[_<country>[_<dialect>]]`
`19:39.42`	`jzaun`	`is there a list of em?`
`19:39.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes..`
`19:39.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`languages are defined by`
`19:39.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`http://ftp.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/http/related/iso639.txt`
`19:40.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`countries are defined by`
`19:40.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/diverse/doc/ISO_3166.html`
`19:40.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`dialects are not specified, you can make em up`
`19:40.36`	`jzaun`	`my lang isn't listed`
`19:40.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`countrys and dialects are mandatory`
`19:40.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`what lang?`
`19:41.01`	`jzaun`	`Klingon`
`19:41.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`just create one that doesn't conflict with anything on the list`
`19:41.22`	`jzaun`	`ok`
`19:41.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`kg maybe`
`19:42.02`	`jzaun`	`thats what I picked :-)`
`19:42.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`if you use accented characters, put them in the po file`
`19:42.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`currently bz can't handle them, but the exe will convert them on the fly to base chars`
`19:42.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`eventually scanline will fix this for us`
`19:43.07`	`calico`	`~ducatictf`
`19:43.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`arg`
`19:43.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`i meant to say`
`19:43.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`countrys and dialects are NOT mandatory`
`19:44.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`you would only use these as overrides if the language spoken in that country is different than the base language`
`19:44.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`so you could have a bzflag_sp.po and a bzflag_sp_SP.po`
`19:44.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`the bzflag_sp_SP may only have a few strings in them which are the exceptions of how people speak spanish in Spain (as opposed to generic Spanish)`
`19:45.17`	`jzaun`	`ok`
`19:45.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`so if you pick sp_SP you will get the merge of the bzflag_sp and bzflag_sp_SP files`
`19:47.25`	`sussudio`	`msgid "SHield (+SH): Getting hit only drops flag. Flag flys an extra-long time."`
`19:47.28`	`sussudio`	`FLIES FLIES FLIES FLIES`
`19:47.45`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@bc176248.bendcable.com)`
`19:47.54`	`Noodleman`	`muwahahahahaha!!!!`
`19:48.05`	`sussudio`	`muwaha what noodlepants`
`19:48.06`	`Noodleman`	`d347h 70 5p4mm3rs!!`
`19:48.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: heh`
`19:48.31`	`Noodleman`	`i've set up an SMTP honeypot, and the spammers are using it!`
`19:48.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`what's the honeypot do?`
`19:48.44`	`sussudio`	`Noodleman: is that why the bzflag server is so ass-slow?`
`19:49.04`	`Noodleman`	`no, this is on my home computer, not noodleroni.com`
`19:49.17`	`sussudio`	`:-P`
`19:49.35`	`Noodleman`	`it listens on port 25, and acts like an open relay, but all it does is log the session`
`19:49.51`	`Noodleman`	`it doesn't relay messages or anything`
`19:50.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`it should ping the source a few hundred times`
`19:50.34`	`Noodleman`	`to dos them you mean?`
`19:50.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`19:50.42`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`19:51.03`	`Noodleman`	`i'm getting their ip addresses to report them to their isp's`
`19:51.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah`
`19:51.11`	`Secret_Hamster`	`we should set up a anti-spam DDoS system`
`19:51.25`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`19:51.38`	`Noodleman`	`apathy, you a windows programmer?`
`19:51.46`	`Secret_Hamster`	`do it for about 10 mins then send a windows pop-up messge`
`19:51.48`	`Noodleman`	`you could write the zombies :-P`
`19:51.53`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`19:52.25`	`jzaun`	`um... Red Blue and Purple are all SuD`
`19:52.30`	`Noodleman`	`a reflection attack would be more fun tho :-)`
`19:52.31`	`Secret_Hamster`	`or even write a zombie that infects other machines to attack their machine`
`19:52.39`	`jzaun`	`that may get a little confusing selecting a team`
`19:52.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`Noodleman: spose`
`19:53.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`jzaun: heh`
`19:53.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`SuD means 'prissy color'`
`19:54.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`SuD R ?`
`19:55.03`	`Noodleman`	`i wonder what my cable company will do when they find out i'm doing this :-)`
`19:55.08`	`jzaun`	`I'll just use First Team Second Team ...`
`19:56.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`Sounds grumpy, i like it`
`19:56.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`E-A-G-L-E-S, Eagles!`
`20:00.07`	`sussudio`	`monkeys?`
`20:02.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`20:04.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`Last time eagles won, I was 30... It better be again this year... time is short`
`20:05.33`	`Noodleman`	`hey [TeA\|TrEE]`
`20:06.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`bbl`
`20:08.23`	`bzdoug_`	`30?`
`20:08.29`	`bzdoug_`	`ho Noodleman`
`20:08.49`	`bzdoug_`	`yo`
`20:08.52`	`bzdoug_`	`hi`
`20:08.52`	`bzdoug_`	`hey`
`20:08.55`	`bzdoug_`	`greetings!`
`20:09.21`	`Noodleman`	`whazzup?`
`20:09.39`	`Noodleman`	`i think noodleroni.com is down`
`20:09.48`	`Noodleman`	`the gateway crashed again`
`20:09.57`	`bzdoug_`	`heh`
`20:10.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Noodle !!!!`
`20:10.15`	`*** join/#bzflag michaelh20 (Mouse@179-50.dynamic.visi.com)`
`20:10.19`	`Noodleman`	`my boss is probably down there fixing it :-)`
`20:10.22`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: lol`
`20:10.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello`
`20:10.29`	`Noodleman`	`'lo tea`
`20:10.49`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:-)`
`20:10.53`	`Noodleman`	`yeah, i just got paged, the gateway's down :-(`
`20:10.57`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: you dont have X fowarded through SSH?`
`20:11.02`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: hah, you have to go?`
`20:11.10`	`Noodleman`	`i can forward x thru ssh`
`20:11.14`	`Noodleman`	`no i don't`
`20:11.23`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: oh, my computer is on by defualt`
`20:11.28`	`bzdoug_`	`you turn it off?`
`20:11.31`	`Noodleman`	`that's just our monitoring program letting me know`
`20:11.34`	`michaelh20`	`so you're the guy with the oil huh?`
`20:11.36`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: oh`
`20:11.36`	`sussudio`	`if only your brain was on by default.....`
`20:11.45`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: humph`
`20:12.02`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: hmm, now I am setting up a p100 as a router`
`20:12.09`	`Noodleman`	`doug: are you talking about when you're logged into the server?`
`20:12.12`	`bzdoug_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:12.17`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: into YOUR desktop... :P`
`20:12.31`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: I havent tried the server in a long while`
`20:12.37`	`Noodleman`	`i'm not in linux right now, i don't believe you :-P`
`20:12.47`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: hmm, I did it a while ago`
`20:12.58`	`Noodleman`	`where are you logged in?`
`20:13.02`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:13.06`	`bzdoug_`	`noodledom.no-ip.com`
`20:13.24`	`bzdoug_`	`there, connected`
`20:13.25`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`20:13.26`	`Noodleman`	`oh, that's my router/gateway/firewall`
`20:13.30`	`bzdoug_`	`oooh`
`20:13.34`	`bzdoug_`	`no x-free installed?`
`20:13.44`	`Noodleman`	`arcturus is my desktop`
`20:13.51`	`Noodleman`	`no x-free installed :-)`
`20:13.52`	`bzdoug_`	`I am experimenting with remote-x`
`20:13.57`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: ah`
`20:14.01`	`bzdoug_`	`explains why it dont work`
`20:14.02`	`Noodleman`	`yeah, that's fun`
`20:14.03`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:14.15`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: I got my desktop to show up with KDE`
`20:14.18`	`bzdoug_`	`very slick`
`20:14.21`	`Noodleman`	`do you know smtp?`
`20:14.28`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:14.28`	`bzdoug_`	`no`
`20:14.47`	`michaelh20`	`thinking of creating your own spamming service?`
`20:14.48`	`sussudio`	`do you know how to tie your shoelaces?`
`20:14.52`	`Noodleman`	`i set up an smtp honeypot on noodledom.no-ip.com`
`20:14.55`	`bzdoug_`	`sussudio: yea`
`20:14.58`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: kewl`
`20:15.01`	`sussudio`	`bzdoug_: sure you do`
`20:15.03`	`Noodleman`	`catch the spammers :-)`
`20:15.24`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: hah, I read all that up there...`
`20:15.26`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:15.31`	`bzdoug_`	`how does one use it?/`
`20:15.35`	`Noodleman`	`i did write it, i didn't cough borrow it :-)`
`20:15.45`	`bzdoug_`	`uh huh`
`20:15.58`	`Noodleman`	`telnet noodledom.no-ip.com 25`
`20:16.05`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`20:16.21`	`Noodleman`	`do it, i'm watching the log`
`20:16.27`	`bzdoug_`	`hah`
`20:16.27`	`bzdoug_`	`ok`
`20:17.06`	`bzdoug_`	`aga'`
`20:17.06`	`Noodleman`	`you didn't do it yet`
`20:17.08`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`20:17.14`	`Noodleman`	`there we go`
`20:17.23`	`michaelh20`	`It doesn't know what it means :)`
`20:17.35`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:17.35`	`bzdoug_`	`how do I use it?`
`20:17.46`	`bzdoug_`	`if it was real?`
`20:17.48`	`michaelh20`	`Clunky interface`
`20:17.54`	`Noodleman`	`it acts like an smtp server`
`20:17.55`	`michaelh20`	`RCTP to ?`
`20:17.59`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`20:18.29`	`Noodleman`	`the spammers will think it's an open relay`
`20:18.32`	`bzdoug_`	`dont work anylonger`
`20:18.34`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`20:18.42`	`Noodleman`	`they'll try to send smap through it`
`20:18.47`	`Noodleman`	`they get logged`
`20:18.47`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:18.48`	`bzdoug_`	`clever`
`20:18.50`	`Noodleman`	`they get busted :-)`
`20:18.51`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`20:18.58`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`20:19.20`	`michaelh20`	`http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0821.txt`
`20:19.33`	`bzdoug_`	`jmm`
`20:19.35`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:19.45`	`bzdoug_`	`does freenode allow open ports to connect`
`20:19.51`	`bzdoug_`	`I thought they scan it`
`20:19.56`	`Noodleman`	`http://cr.yp.to/smtp.html is a more concise reference of smtp`
`20:20.12`	`bzdoug_`	`yea, now I know what smtp is, I forgot`
`20:20.14`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:20.21`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`20:20.43`	`bzdoug_`	`I even got the powerbutton to work on this centris`
`20:20.51`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:21.04`	`bzdoug_`	`so a 750 mhz duron centris`
`20:21.09`	`bzdoug_`	`problem is the pci cards dont fit`
`20:21.27`	`michaelh20`	`I sent something`
`20:21.32`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:21.38`	`bzdoug_`	`it wont allow me to connect`
`20:21.43`	`michaelh20`	`MAIL FROM:me@blarg.com`
`20:21.44`	`bzdoug_`	`why?`
`20:21.44`	`michaelh20`	`250 Okie`
`20:21.44`	`michaelh20`	`RCPT TO:IEATFARTS@BLAHBLAH.com`
`20:21.44`	`michaelh20`	`250 Okie`
`20:21.44`	`michaelh20`	`DATA`
`20:21.44`	`michaelh20`	`354 Go for it`
`20:21.46`	`michaelh20`	`sdfsdfslkdjfslkdjfsdf`
`20:21.48`	`michaelh20`	`sdfaksjdalskdjas`
`20:21.50`	`michaelh20`	`dsflgkjsflkgjdflkgd`
`20:21.50`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`20:21.52`	`michaelh20`	`asdalsdkjasd`
`20:21.54`	`michaelh20`	`I am a fart I tsee this fartttttttttttttttttttttttttttt`
`20:21.56`	`michaelh20`	`.`
`20:21.58`	`michaelh20`	`250 Thanks! #15845.1043005168`
`20:22.02`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`20:22.18`	`bzdoug_`	`I cant connect`
`20:22.25`	`michaelh20`	`You need to select port 25`
`20:22.28`	`bzdoug_`	`I did`
`20:22.31`	`Noodleman`	`what error do you get?`
`20:22.32`	`bzdoug_`	`aha`
`20:22.34`	`bzdoug_`	`its slow`
`20:22.50`	`michaelh20`	`so you just collect this data?`
`20:22.59`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`20:23.06`	`bzdoug_`	`all the data?`
`20:23.07`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`20:23.11`	`Noodleman`	`yes`
`20:23.26`	`michaelh20`	`Sure some blacklist won't catch you?`
`20:23.37`	`michaelh20`	`or do they only care about sent mails?`
`20:23.46`	`bzdoug_`	`it dont foward it`
`20:23.54`	`Noodleman`	`they won't because i don't do anything with the messages except log them`
`20:23.55`	`michaelh20`	`understood`
`20:24.28`	`michaelh20`	`I thought they probably just connected and see if they can send something`
`20:24.35`	`michaelh20`	`does it check if something is actually sent?`
`20:24.44`	`Noodleman`	`does what check?`
`20:25.00`	`michaelh20`	`what ever black listing service is looking for open relays`
`20:25.09`	`Noodleman`	`yes, they do`
`20:25.15`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, they should take the actual server, and strip out the sending part`
`20:25.20`	`bzdoug_`	`then it would be a real server`
`20:25.24`	`bzdoug_`	`it just never gets out`
`20:25.25`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`20:25.38`	`Noodleman`	`you can do that with qmail`
`20:25.46`	`Noodleman`	`it's modular that way`
`20:25.46`	`michaelh20`	`just comment out one line, like with BZflag cheats`
`20:25.48`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`20:25.49`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`20:26.00`	`Chestal`	`MAC: got adjustable radar size now; guess I'll upload that as a patch and not commit right away?`
`20:26.15`	`Noodleman`	`sendmail is one big program that does everything like receiving, queueing and sending`
`20:26.31`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`20:26.34`	`Noodleman`	`qmail has separate programs that do each thing`
`20:26.49`	`Chestal`	`I still don't like how the size of the mosue boxes depends on both horizontal and vertical view size`
`20:26.52`	`Noodleman`	`you can swap out the queueing program with something else`
`20:26.59`	`Noodleman`	`for example`
`20:27.37`	`bzdoug_`	`logging program? :)`
`20:27.48`	`Noodleman`	`what's that?`
`20:27.58`	`bzdoug_`	`it chops up logs`
`20:28.03`	`bzdoug_`	`grinds`
`20:28.05`	`bzdoug_`	`saws`
`20:28.07`	`bzdoug_`	`dices`
`20:28.11`	`Noodleman`	`u don't get what you'r trying to say`
`20:28.11`	`bzdoug_`	`slices`
`20:28.14`	`michaelh20`	`mouse boxes?`
`20:28.16`	`Noodleman`	`i*`
`20:28.24`	`bzdoug_`	`I was kidding`
`20:28.28`	`bzdoug_`	`joking`
`20:28.28`	`michaelh20`	`mosque boxes ?`
`20:28.29`	`bzdoug_`	`laugh`
`20:28.31`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`20:28.33`	`bzdoug_`	`see?`
`20:28.34`	`bzdoug_`	`funny`
`20:28.36`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`20:28.36`	`sussudio`	`pig boxes`
`20:28.37`	`Noodleman`	`ha ha ha`
`20:29.07`	`michaelh20`	`ah so.. that thing.. it got bigger in e6`
`20:29.13`	`michaelh20`	`for me at least`
`20:29.15`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:29.17`	`bzdoug_`	`bigger?`
`20:29.21`	`bzdoug_`	`I want fullscreen radar`
`20:29.24`	`michaelh20`	`the mosque box`
`20:29.36`	`michaelh20`	`es`
`20:29.49`	`Noodleman`	`who is 216.135.68.133?`
`20:29.52`	`bzdoug_`	`me`
`20:29.52`	`michaelh20`	`the little aiming thing`
`20:30.05`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: yea, me`
`20:30.27`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:30.33`	`michaelh20`	`should we try a denial of service attack now too ?`
`20:30.40`	`bzdoug_`	`michaelh20: yea`
`20:30.54`	`michaelh20`	`hard with a 56k I suppose`
`20:30.57`	`bzdoug_`	`I just got a cd just PACKED full of hacking stuff`
`20:31.02`	`bzdoug_`	`michaelh20: I have dsl`
`20:31.08`	`bzdoug_`	`faster upload than cable`
`20:31.09`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`20:31.10`	`michaelh20`	`for me I mean`
`20:31.17`	`Noodleman`	`5cr1p7 k1dd13 stuff, you mean :-)`
`20:31.17`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:31.29`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: hmm, trojen horses and stuff`
`20:31.36`	`michaelh20`	`never know what that stuff would do to the users computer either`
`20:31.37`	`Noodleman`	`like i said ;-)`
`20:31.41`	`bzdoug_`	`its from a book on how to protect you network`
`20:31.46`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:31.48`	`michaelh20`	`ah so`
`20:32.05`	`michaelh20`	`have to type it all in yourself ? <-- the old days`
`20:32.27`	`bzdoug_`	`no`
`20:32.50`	`bzdoug_`	`I cant find my program`
`20:32.51`	`bzdoug_`	`bah`
`20:33.09`	`michaelh20`	`I always like the Klez-removal kit`
`20:33.33`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:33.46`	`michaelh20`	`klez is a dangrous virus, run this program and ignore the warnings`
`20:33.51`	`bzdoug_`	`wow`
`20:34.05`	`bzdoug_`	`this cd has all the default passwords to all major systems`
`20:34.10`	`michaelh20`	`lol`
`20:34.12`	`Noodleman`	`doug: which mail program do you use?`
`20:34.20`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: outlook express`
`20:34.21`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`20:34.32`	`bzdoug_`	`i LIKE reformatting my drive`
`20:34.33`	`Noodleman`	`danger, danger, danger`
`20:34.58`	`Noodleman`	`you don't really use outhouse express do you?`
`20:35.03`	`*** join/#bzflag sussudio1 (Suss@d51132aa.cable.wanadoo.nl)`
`20:35.11`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:35.20`	`bzdoug_`	`I am too lazy to install outlook 200`
`20:35.22`	`bzdoug_`	`2000*`
`20:35.44`	`Noodleman`	`use eudora or pegasus or mozilla`
`20:35.49`	`Noodleman`	`don't use oe!`
`20:36.16`	`bzdoug_`	`netscape slows down the computer`
`20:36.25`	`Noodleman`	`oe is all the reason viruses are spread thru email these days`
`20:36.28`	`bzdoug_`	`eudora has bad supports for things`
`20:36.38`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: gee....`
`20:36.40`	`Noodleman`	`then use mozilla :-)`
`20:36.51`	`bzdoug_`	`maybe my antivirus program filters things out`
`20:36.54`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`20:37.10`	`Noodleman`	`i don't have an anti-virus program on my windows`
`20:37.17`	`michaelh20`	`At least you don't have to click on the virus to get them running ...`
`20:37.32`	`bzdoug_`	`michaelh20: yea, saves time`
`20:37.35`	`Noodleman`	`i don't need an anti-virus program on my windows`
`20:37.52`	`Noodleman`	`with klez, you don't ahve to click on the attachment`
`20:37.57`	`bzdoug_`	`also my ISP changes all attachments with .exe etc to a ~exe`
`20:38.09`	`michaelh20`	`Well helps if your computer doesn't have un-protected floppy sex`
`20:38.13`	`bzdoug_`	`or .vbs to ~vbs`
`20:38.19`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-67-114-228-96.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`20:38.20`	`bzdoug_`	`etc`
`20:38.25`	`bzdoug_`	`LO Patlabor221!!!!`
`20:38.54`	`Patlabor221`	`no so loud man, went to a party last ngiht`
`20:39.00`	`bzdoug_`	`Patlabor221: oh.`
`20:39.05`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: hmm`
`20:39.36`	`michaelh20`	`You've gained a 2 :)`
`20:39.46`	`bzdoug_`	`heh`
`20:40.13`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm I don't think Tim realses that the server GUI is writen in VB.`
`20:40.24`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:40.47`	`scanline`	`using "written" very loosely I see?`
`20:40.56`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:41.25`	`Patlabor221`	`I think "cobbled`
`20:41.28`	`Patlabor221`	`is a better worked`
`20:41.33`	`Patlabor221`	`god I can't type today`
`20:41.45`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.noodleroni.com/helicopter.jpg: i love using photoshop :-)`
`20:41.57`	`bzdoug_`	`hahah`
`20:41.57`	`bzdoug_`	`The page is profoundly screwed up, and cannot be found`
`20:42.11`	`Noodleman`	`take off the colon`
`20:42.12`	`bzdoug_`	`its got a : after it`
`20:42.13`	`Patlabor221`	`take off the cololn`
`20:42.14`	`bzdoug_`	`but lol`
`20:42.26`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: hah`
`20:42.33`	`bzdoug_`	`Noodleman: look out for sharks`
`20:42.39`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:42.48`	`Noodleman`	`isn't photoshop great?`
`20:42.53`	`bzdoug_`	`yup`
`20:42.58`	`bzdoug_`	`beats gimp by miles`
`20:43.03`	`scanline`	`nice 404 error`
`20:43.12`	`Noodleman`	`thx, scanline :-)`
`20:43.16`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:43.27`	`Noodleman`	`before i had the error message in haiku`
`20:43.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Moles?`
`20:43.36`	`Noodleman`	`not sure if that or this one is better`
`20:43.39`	`scanline`	`It's especially disturbing to people who aren't using internet exploder`
`20:43.46`	`bzdoug_`	`?`
`20:43.47`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:43.51`	`bzdoug_`	`it works in IE for me`
`20:44.00`	`bzdoug_`	`shows up just like the normal IE error`
`20:44.05`	`michaelh20`	`When Sharks Attack`
`20:44.07`	`bzdoug_`	`white page etc`
`20:44.19`	`Noodleman`	`that's what makes it so funny`
`20:44.22`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`20:44.29`	`Noodleman`	`it looks just like the IE 404 error page`
`20:44.34`	`bzdoug_`	`puzzled me for a sec too`
`20:44.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`bzdough and noodle?`
`20:44.42`	`Noodleman`	`yeah`
`20:44.42`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`how about a match?`
`20:44.49`	`scanline`	`an IE error is usually enough to scare the crap out of someone using mozilla on linux`
`20:44.49`	`bzdoug_`	`sorry, I dont have a match`
`20:44.56`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: lol`
`20:45.01`	`michaelh20`	`doh... one letter and you're dough`
`20:45.05`	`Noodleman`	`none of our teammates are here for a match`
`20:45.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`[a] vs [TLZ]`
`20:45.15`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`20:45.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`20:45.35`	`Noodleman`	`scanline: that's why i did that :-)`
`20:45.46`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, nessus, I wonder what that does`
`20:45.58`	`Patlabor221`	`the hindmost?`
`20:46.06`	`Noodleman`	`that's a security auditor`
`20:46.18`	`bzdoug_`	`kewl`
`20:50.15`	`scanline`	`Can someone please test this URL: http://navi.picogui.org:32638/`
`20:50.21`	`bzdoug_`	`SSH is open`
`20:50.30`	`bzdoug_`	`it works`
`20:50.34`	`scanline`	`spiffy`
`20:50.34`	`Noodleman`	`of course it is :-P`
`20:50.41`	`Patlabor221`	`doug has no mail`
`20:50.48`	`bzdoug_`	`smtp is`
`20:50.57`	`bzdoug_`	`Patlabor221: ?`
`20:50.58`	`Patlabor221`	`doug does not get it`
`20:51.29`	`Noodleman`	`that's my honeypot :-)`
`20:51.31`	`bzdoug_`	`huh`
`20:51.33`	`bzdoug_`	`2 ports open`
`20:52.11`	`Noodleman`	`i am security-aware ;-)`
`20:52.16`	`bzdoug_`	`I see`
`20:52.20`	`Noodleman`	`i already knew that`
`20:52.23`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:52.37`	`Noodleman`	`plus, i believe 8080 is open`
`20:52.43`	`bzdoug_`	`oh?`
`20:52.49`	`bzdoug_`	`oh.`
`20:52.55`	`bzdoug_`	`it dint get that far`
`20:52.58`	`Noodleman`	`web server`
`20:53.06`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`20:53.17`	`jzaun`	`MAC: Still around?`
`20:53.23`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`20:53.47`	`jzaun`	`hmm.. suppose not`
`20:53.54`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`20:54.04`	`Noodleman`	`man , you are a script-kiddie`
`20:54.04`	`jzaun`	`bzdoug_: http://stats.bzflag.org/bzflag_kg.po`
`20:54.18`	`bzdoug_`	`?`
`20:54.20`	`bzdoug_`	`whats that?`
`20:54.22`	`bzdoug_`	`brb`
`20:54.25`	`jzaun`	`Klingon`
`20:54.34`	`jzaun`	`well, starts of it`
`20:55.01`	`*** part/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-1-87.stny.rr.com)`
`20:55.20`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:56.03`	`Noodleman`	`i'll have to contribute a lang or two ;-)`
`20:56.16`	`sussudio`	`pig latin`
`20:56.29`	`Noodleman`	`and hacker`
`20:56.42`	`Noodleman`	`and swedish chef`
`20:56.43`	`sussudio`	`ebonics`
`20:56.52`	`Noodleman`	`and elmer fudd`
`20:56.57`	`Noodleman`	`ebonics!`
`20:56.59`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:57.25`	`scanline`	`RPN`
`20:58.09`	`jzaun`	`not like anyone will ever use Klingon though`
`20:58.20`	`Noodleman`	`new york mafia`
`20:58.23`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:58.41`	`Noodleman`	`redneck`
`20:59.10`	`sussudio`	`dougheck`
`20:59.38`	`Noodleman`	`dougheck the redneck`
`20:59.44`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`21:00.26`	`sussudio`	`just replace random words with 'pig' 'chicken' and 'slick'`
`21:00.42`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:00.48`	`Noodleman`	`that'd work`
`21:01.30`	`sussudio`	`ofcourse your tank would randomly have to explode from overclocking attempts`
`21:01.43`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:02.00`	`jzaun`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301498632&category=26765`
`21:02.09`	`jzaun`	`^^ Anyone have 200 buck thew wana give me?`
`21:02.25`	`Noodleman`	`neat`
`21:03.01`	`jzaun`	`Noodleman: does neat mean you got 200 bucks to give me??? :-D`
`21:03.23`	`Noodleman`	`nope ;-)`
`21:03.36`	`jzaun`	`:'(`
`21:03.50`	`Noodleman`	`i'll give you 200 if you give me 250`
`21:03.55`	`Noodleman`	`howzat?`
`21:04.18`	`jzaun`	`nah, thanks though`
`21:04.29`	`Noodleman`	`it's a great deal!@ don't pass it up!!!`
`21:05.04`	`jzaun`	`heh I'll give you 250 if you give me 1M`
`21:05.32`	`Noodleman`	`i would ifi could, but i can't so i shan't`
`21:05.49`	`jzaun`	`heh`
`21:05.54`	`*** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-112-24.hispeed.ch)`
`21:08.17`	`Noodleman`	`jzaun: here you go, M`
`21:08.24`	`Noodleman`	`there's you 1 M`
`21:09.08`	`Noodleman`	`now you have do do your end of the deal :-)`
`21:09.24`	`jzaun`	`um.... wrong kinga M`
`21:10.36`	`bzdoug_`	`M!`
`21:10.38`	`bzdoug_`	`M M!`
`21:10.45`	`bzdoug_`	`I gave ou 2 Ms`
`21:10.52`	`bzdoug_`	`M&M`
`21:11.42`	`Noodleman`	`in soviet russia, the butt kicks YOU!`
`21:11.53`	`bzdoug_`	`hahah`
`21:11.58`	`sussudio`	`no it doesnt`
`21:12.13`	`sussudio`	`in soviet russia, the buttocks seperate and trip you`
`21:13.42`	`bzdoug_`	`Why n0+ m@Ke 8zFl@9 lIKe +hI$?`
`21:14.01`	`bzdoug_`	`and also put a converter that will translate all msges`
`21:14.27`	`Noodleman`	`SuperPig 2002! AWAAAAY!`
`21:14.35`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`21:15.33`	`Noodleman`	`TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!`
`21:16.11`	`bzdoug_`	`inconceivable!`
`21:17.20`	`scanline`	`bzdoug_: http://navi.picogui.org:32638/vnc/`
`21:18.01`	`Noodleman`	`password?`
`21:18.05`	`scanline`	`empty`
`21:18.22`	`scanline`	`I need to find the docs for this applet so I can disable the password prompt, and the buttons across the top`
`21:18.35`	`stibnite`	`w00t good game on hashmark`
`21:20.15`	`Noodleman`	`who da man?`
`21:20.22`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:20.37`	`Noodleman`	`bbl`
`21:21.06`	`*** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133)`
`21:21.27`	`bzdoug_`	`!`
`21:21.31`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: what was that?`
`21:21.33`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: java?`
`21:21.35`	`bzdoug_`	`bah`
`21:21.39`	`bzdoug_`	`BSOD`
`21:21.46`	`scanline`	`?`
`21:21.57`	`scanline`	`it was a java VNC viewer connected to a picogui server`
`21:22.03`	`bzdoug_`	`yes`
`21:22.08`	`bzdoug_`	`but it crashed me`
`21:22.11`	`bzdoug_`	`java = bad`
`21:22.12`	`scanline`	`Noodleman: how's the connection speed?`
`21:22.13`	`bzdoug_`	`bad java`
`21:22.18`	`scanline`	`bzdoug_: GFM`
`21:23.07`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: vnc of what?`
`21:23.12`	`bzdoug_`	`the desktop?`
`21:23.25`	`scanline`	`<scanline> it was a java VNC viewer connected to a picogui server`
`21:23.31`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`21:23.45`	`bzdoug_`	`can I connect with a regular client?`
`21:24.14`	`scanline`	`yes`
`21:24.22`	`bzdoug_`	`whats the URL?`
`21:24.28`	`bzdoug_`	`and username and password`
`21:24.28`	`scanline`	`navi.picogui.org`
`21:24.32`	`scanline`	`no authentication`
`21:24.35`	`bzdoug_`	`k`
`21:24.41`	`bzdoug_`	`kewl`
`21:25.09`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm, howcome that closes out on me?`
`21:25.13`	`scanline`	`this java vnc applet is funky.. doesn't send mouse movement updates`
`21:25.15`	`bzdoug_`	`slow`
`21:25.17`	`bzdoug_`	`very slow`
`21:25.23`	`bzdoug_`	`even with regualr client`
`21:25.29`	`scanline`	`bzdoug_: what sort of net connection do you have?`
`21:25.35`	`bzdoug_`	`dsl`
`21:25.35`	`scanline`	`vnc is pretty bandwidth intensive`
`21:25.40`	`bzdoug_`	`indeed`
`21:25.43`	`bzdoug_`	`but this is terrible`
`21:25.48`	`fiberchunks`	`Inflate error: invalid stored block lengths.`
`21:25.48`	`fiberchunks`	`ShmCleanup called`
`21:26.00`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`21:26.05`	`scanline`	`that's odd`
`21:26.12`	`fiberchunks`	`I'm using vncviewer`
`21:26.22`	`scanline`	`I've used vncviewer locally without problems`
`21:26.24`	`fiberchunks`	`version 1.2.5`
`21:26.38`	`scanline`	`ah`
`21:26.41`	`scanline`	`I get the same problem`
`21:27.01`	`bzdoug_`	`is there 2 mice?`
`21:27.10`	`bzdoug_`	`can there be multipule people connected?`
`21:27.12`	`scanline`	`if I run it with '-encodings tight' it starts but there's some artifacts`
`21:27.21`	`scanline`	`yes doug. Each client gets its own cursor`
`21:27.21`	`bzdoug_`	`tight?`
`21:27.28`	`bzdoug_`	`this is tight-vnc?`
`21:27.31`	`bzdoug_`	`gosh`
`21:27.37`	`scanline`	`it supports tight-vnc`
`21:27.48`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`21:27.52`	`scanline`	`I'm using a slightly hacked up version of libvncserver`
`21:27.56`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`21:28.06`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, let me get my tight client`
`21:28.10`	`bzdoug_`	`it shoudl speed it up`
`21:28.16`	`scanline`	`eek.. these compression artifacts are indeed weird`
`21:28.45`	`fiberchunks`	`ugh, with -encodings tight I don't get even the time that I had before on it`
`21:28.57`	`Noodleman`	`'cause i'm a subatomic particle that's gonna go faaaaaaar!`
`21:29.06`	`scanline`	`bzdoug_: you might also try forcing your client to use 8bpp mode`
`21:29.10`	`scanline`	`the server is set to 32bpp`
`21:29.17`	`bzdoug_`	`tons better`
`21:29.20`	`bzdoug_`	`ok`
`21:29.51`	`fiberchunks`	`staying active now`
`21:30.01`	`bzdoug_`	`my mouse wont work`
`21:30.18`	`fiberchunks`	`artifacts seem to remain upon client enter / exit`
`21:30.26`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`21:30.27`	`fiberchunks`	`oops, crapped out`
`21:30.35`	`bzdoug_`	`no cursor`
`21:30.49`	`scanline`	`These things always seem to break the morning after I stay up to 4:00 AM coding them :)`
`21:31.09`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`21:31.16`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`21:31.26`	`bzdoug_`	`ick`
`21:31.30`	`bzdoug_`	`artifacts`
`21:31.33`	`fiberchunks`	`Using shared memory PutImage`
`21:31.34`	`fiberchunks`	`Rect too large: 40448x8192 at (1, 38656)`
`21:31.34`	`fiberchunks`	`ShmCleanup called`
`21:31.41`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`21:31.45`	`scanline`	`I got a few of those on the java client`
`21:31.55`	`bzdoug_`	`lost control`
`21:31.55`	`scanline`	`getting "Inflate error: oversubscribed dynamic bit lengths tree." on the vncviewer`
`21:32.20`	`bzdoug_`	`woo`
`21:32.27`	`bzdoug_`	`vnc viewer crashed`
`21:32.28`	`fiberchunks`	`responds better with no mouse cursor ;)`
`21:32.40`	`bzdoug_`	`slow`
`21:32.41`	`fiberchunks`	`Using shared memory PutImage`
`21:32.41`	`fiberchunks`	`Segmentation fault`
`21:32.42`	`bzdoug_`	`yea`
`21:32.43`	`bzdoug_`	`ne tii`
`21:32.44`	`bzdoug_`	`too`
`21:33.49`	`bzdoug_`	`hey`
`21:33.55`	`bzdoug_`	`it dispeared`
`21:34.07`	`fiberchunks`	`have got about 4 rect too large faults in past 5 minutes`
`21:34.09`	`fiberchunks`	`or so`
`21:34.44`	`fiberchunks`	`Using shared memory PutImage`
`21:34.44`	`fiberchunks`	`Incorrect number of scan lines after decompression.`
`21:34.44`	`fiberchunks`	`ShmCleanup called`
`21:34.50`	`bzdoug_`	`woo, go boom`
`21:35.08`	`fiberchunks`	`LOL, didn't know there was more than one of you scanline -- and why are your numbers incorrect ? ;)`
`21:35.39`	`scanline`	`:)`
`21:35.45`	`bzdoug_`	`ick`
`21:36.12`	`scanline`	`hmm.. maybe it's something about running it on this machine`
`21:36.22`	`fiberchunks`	`crashes alot with that jpeg in there`
`21:36.22`	`bzdoug_`	`uh oh`
`21:36.26`	`bzdoug_`	`yea`
`21:36.58`	`scanline`	`try connecting to my IP rather than navi.picogui.org`
`21:37.12`	`fiberchunks`	`what's the ip`
`21:37.13`	`bzdoug_`	`?`
`21:37.13`	`bzdoug_`	`ok`
`21:37.30`	`bzdoug_`	`whats an ip?`
`21:37.32`	`scanline`	`128.138.2.142`
`21:37.55`	`fiberchunks`	`that seems to work better, so far`
`21:38.07`	`scanline`	`interesting`
`21:38.13`	`bzdoug_`	`how do I load other apps?`
`21:38.15`	`scanline`	`maybe I have a broken zlib or libjpeg on the other machine`
`21:38.39`	`bzdoug_`	`what button?`
`21:38.58`	`fiberchunks`	`still working good`
`21:39.17`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`21:39.25`	`fiberchunks`	`artifacts in the image, but connect four works nicely`
`21:39.25`	`*** join/#bzflag vncpeoplevz (~micah@aden2-142-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`21:39.29`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`21:39.30`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`21:39.35`	`vncpeoplevz`	`cool`
`21:39.40`	`vncpeoplevz`	`this still has some bugs...`
`21:39.43`	`bzdoug_`	`yea`
`21:39.52`	`bzdoug_`	`?`
`21:39.57`	`bzdoug_`	`what was that?`
`21:39.57`	`vncpeoplevz`	`hehe`
`21:40.08`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`21:40.09`	`vncpeoplevz`	`That was the buffer not getting cleared somewhere...`
`21:40.15`	`bzdoug_`	`I can read your mind`
`21:40.18`	`vncpeoplevz`	`I was debugging that before I started playing with VNC`
`21:40.21`	`vncpeoplevz`	`:)`
`21:40.26`	`bzdoug_`	`ah, debugging is good... :P`
`21:40.29`	`bzdoug_`	`ugh`
`21:40.33`	`bzdoug_`	`another bug`
`21:40.37`	`vncpeoplevz`	`the same bug`
`21:40.40`	`bzdoug_`	`ag`
`21:40.41`	`bzdoug_`	`ah`
`21:41.28`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`21:41.34`	`*** join/#bzflag victorvdl (~victor@ip235.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com)`
`21:41.34`	`bzdoug_`	`to people at once`
`21:41.45`	`bzdoug_`	`can once person chat while the other person works in a game?`
`21:41.50`	`scanvnc`	`yes`
`21:41.54`	`bzdoug_`	`really?`
`21:41.59`	`fiberchunks`	`seems like there's three on, from the cursors I see`
`21:42.08`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`21:42.44`	`scanvnc`	`it is indeed broken slightly`
`21:42.54`	`fiberchunks`	`who's connected, besides me?`
`21:43.03`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`21:43.03`	`bzdoug_`	`me`
`21:43.09`	`fiberchunks`	`is scan?`
`21:43.18`	`bzdoug_`	`ooh, its slow`
`21:43.19`	`bzdoug_`	`yea`
`21:43.19`	`fiberchunks`	`move your mouse`
`21:43.40`	`bzdoug_`	`owah!`
`21:43.46`	`scanline`	`hahaha`
`21:43.54`	`bzdoug_`	`whats that?`
`21:43.59`	`scanline`	`lens flare cursor :)`
`21:44.06`	`bzdoug_`	`kewl`
`21:44.14`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`21:44.26`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm?`
`21:44.34`	`bzdoug_`	`wow`
`21:44.38`	`bzdoug_`	`kinda laggy`
`21:45.01`	`scanline`	`vnc is always laggy over the 'net`
`21:45.11`	`bzdoug_`	`indeed`
`21:45.15`	`bzdoug_`	`but its gotten worse`
`21:45.24`	`bzdoug_`	`AQUA BUTTON!`
`21:45.51`	`fiberchunks`	`lo, where are you all? all I have is connect four and the jpeg -- is there something I should be clicking?`
`21:46.02`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`21:46.03`	`scanline`	`we're on the other server`
`21:46.07`	`scanline`	`128.138.2.142`
`21:46.08`	`bzdoug_`	`I have draw and jpg`
`21:46.10`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`21:46.21`	`bzdoug_`	`jpg slows us up`
`21:46.37`	`bzdoug_`	`ahh`
`21:46.39`	`bzdoug_`	`something blew up`
`21:47.04`	`fiberchunks`	`same errors as before, but the initial server seemed rock solid (albeit slow)`
`21:47.07`	`bzdoug_`	`cool`
`21:47.10`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`21:47.31`	`scanline`	`hmm, that mouse cursor is invisible`
`21:47.41`	`bzdoug_`	`heh`
`21:48.13`	`fiberchunks`	`dueling mice`
`21:48.24`	`bzdoug_`	`brb`
`21:48.30`	`scanline`	`wonder why the vertical scroll isn't showing up...`
`21:49.00`	`fiberchunks`	`you kill the server?`
`21:49.06`	`scanline`	`no`
`21:49.09`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.222)`
`21:49.14`	`scanline`	`let me try restarting it with different options`
`21:49.14`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm - not connecting at all now`
`21:49.25`	`scanline`	`eek, server segfaulted`
`21:49.27`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`21:49.30`	`scanline`	`I should try it under valgrind`
`21:49.33`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`21:49.41`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`21:50.05`	`scanline`	`everybody disconnect`
`21:50.09`	`fiberchunks`	`done`
`21:50.12`	`bzdoug_`	`ok`
`21:50.21`	`scanline`	`hrm`
`21:50.26`	`scanline`	`something's still using that port`
`21:50.31`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`21:50.34`	`bzdoug_`	`I aint connected`
`21:50.34`	`scanline`	`ah, got it`
`21:50.41`	`scanline`	`server up`
`21:50.52`	`bzdoug_`	`nope`
`21:50.53`	`bzdoug_`	`nothing`
`21:51.04`	`scanline`	`wow, valgrind crashed`
`21:51.07`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`21:51.12`	`bzdoug_`	`oh well`
`21:51.15`	`scanline`	valgrind: the `impossible' happened:
`21:51.15`	`scanline`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:51.15`	`scanline`	`Basic block ctr is approximately 38600000`
`21:51.15`	`bzdoug_`	`will this be up allways?`
`21:51.21`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`21:51.35`	`scanline`	`right now I'm just debugging it, but soon I'll have this set up mostly-permanently as a way for people to try out picogui`
`21:51.45`	`fiberchunks`	`very cool`
`21:51.47`	`sussudio`	`piggogui?`
`21:51.49`	`scanline`	`thanks`
`21:51.57`	`scanline`	`oink :P`
`21:52.05`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: kewl`
`21:53.00`	`scanline`	`spiffy`
`21:53.18`	`scanline`	`you are on the way to OpenGL Super Happy Land`
`21:53.22`	`fiberchunks`	`not really, but ya gotta start somewhere`
`21:59.04`	`*** join/#bzflag freelancer (~luis@ool-18bcd01b.dyn.optonline.net)`
`21:59.22`	`*** join/#bzflag insect_power2 (~booble@p50802F86.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`21:59.27`	`insect_power2`	`lo`
`21:59.44`	`freelancer`	`hi`
`22:00.00`	`freelancer`	`i'm off to 5156`
`22:00.10`	`insect_power2`	`is there a realtime screen capturing software, i want to make a video presentation?`
`22:00.41`	`scanline`	`depends on what you mean by realtime`
`22:00.58`	`scanline`	`I've seen software that captures the screen repeatedly and saves it to a movie, but the frame rate is very low`
`22:01.01`	`insect_power2`	`while im working on the screen it mkes an avi`
`22:01.04`	`insect_power2`	`of it`
`22:01.19`	`scanline`	`if you want something fast, it will probably have to be integrated into the application or GUI you're using`
`22:01.33`	`insect_power2`	`why that`
`22:01.48`	`insect_power2`	`the qui is almost the whole screen`
`22:02.09`	`scanline`	`because a separate program can capture the screen, but it doesn't know when it's updated`
`22:02.12`	`scanline`	`is this in windows?`
`22:02.17`	`insect_power2`	`yes`
`22:02.53`	`scanline`	`windows doesn't have a way for an application to recieve information about what onscreen is updated`
`22:03.03`	`scanline`	`programs that need this info, like WinVNC, have to use heuristics`
`22:03.38`	`insect_power2`	`heuristics whats that?`
`22:03.50`	`scanline`	`hmm.. now that'd be cool... a VNC client that could record a session to NuppelVideo`
`22:03.58`	`insect_power2`	`in this realation`
`22:04.16`	`scanline`	`the heuristics are rules that it uses to guess when areas of the screen are updated, but it doesn't know for sure`
`22:04.34`	`insect_power2`	`ok`
`22:05.03`	`insect_power2`	`is there nothing that takes 5 fps -10 fps per second`
`22:05.18`	`scanline`	`I'm sure there's something for windows that will do that`
`22:05.21`	`insect_power2`	`record it to harddisk and convert it to avi later`
`22:05.30`	`bzdoug_`	`VCR`
`22:05.32`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`22:05.33`	`scanline`	`but I don't think there's any way, in windows, to record a smooth (30fps+) video`
`22:05.36`	`bzdoug_`	`and TV out`
`22:05.40`	`bzdoug_`	`then TV it back in`
`22:05.45`	`scanline`	`bzdoug_: ah, good idea`
`22:05.47`	`insect_power2`	`cool`
`22:05.52`	`insect_power2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:05.56`	`bzdoug_`	`:)`
`22:06.00`	`scanline`	`haha`
`22:06.07`	`bzdoug_`	`IF you have a video in port`
`22:06.11`	`bzdoug_`	`and a video out port`
`22:06.16`	`insect_power2`	`but then i have to capture the tv`
`22:06.26`	`scanline`	`do you know how crappy that would look?`
`22:06.26`	`bzdoug_`	`hm`
`22:06.30`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: indeed`
`22:06.40`	`bzdoug_`	`scanline: but if one is carefull.. :P`
`22:06.51`	`scanline`	`you'd have to be in 640x480, with fairly big fonts`
`22:06.59`	`bzdoug_`	`yea`
`22:07.07`	`bzdoug_`	`but it would get ya 30FPS`
`22:07.11`	`insect_power2`	`hm that gonna be awful`
`22:09.10`	`insect_power2`	`i have a pentium 4 2,5 GHz, that should be possible to cpress the frames as an mpeg`
`22:09.26`	`bzdoug_`	`indeed`
`22:09.34`	`scanline`	`it's not the compression that will be your bottleneck`
`22:09.40`	`scanline`	`windows just can't capture screenshots that fast`
`22:09.53`	`insect_power2`	`oh`
`22:10.16`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`22:10.25`	`bzdoug_`	`dunno`
`22:10.47`	`bzdoug_`	`how do professionals capture it?`
`22:11.28`	`fiberchunks`	`prob with uber expensive video equipment`
`22:12.10`	`bzdoug_`	`heh`
`22:13.32`	`sussudio`	`DVI does a digital stream doesn't it.... couldnt you somehow intercept that?`
`22:13.46`	`bzdoug_`	`HAH`
`22:13.54`	`sussudio`	`~sud`
`22:13.58`		`shut up doug`
`22:13.59`	`bzdoug_`	`yea, but it would be really hard, and more things than insect_power2 could do`
`22:18.40`	`insect_power2`	`found this: http://www.screenwatch.com/screenwatch.html`
`22:21.15`	`insect_power2`	`shit ie crashed`
`22:26.08`	`*** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133)`
`22:26.32`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`22:26.37`	`bzdoug_`	`something confliced with the router`
`22:26.39`	`bzdoug_`	`joy`
`22:26.41`	`bzdoug_`	`it works`
`22:28.00`	`bzdoug_`	`sorta`
`22:46.41`	`*** join/#bzflag ENCON (~97ccea27@203.194.240.139)`
`22:46.53`	`ENCON`	`hello?`
`22:48.12`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: getting more VNC idears?`
`22:48.43`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: It's basically working, though we discovered some flakiness that makes clients randomly crash with odd errors`
`22:49.15`	`scanline`	`I did have the wacky idea of attaching the nuppelvideo code from jetstream to a vnc viewer, to record any VNC server`
`22:54.34`	`scanline`	`there's a vnc server on navi.picogui.org right now`
`22:55.17`	`scanline`	`wow, my client hasn't crashed yet`
`22:55.26`	`captain_proton`	`Unknown message type 87 from VNC server`
`22:55.32`	`scanline`	`bah...`
`22:55.40`	`captain_proton`	`worked when i reconnected`
`22:56.58`	`scanline`	`there... sprite dragging is a lot better for VNC`
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`22:59.11`	`insect_power2`	`shit my 40Gig HD is almost full`
`23:01.10`	`captain_proton`	`thats what happens when you fill it with pirated software`
`23:01.37`	`insect_power2`	`yes thats the disadvantage`
`23:01.43`	`sussudio`	`msgid "teleport is reversible; reentering the same side of the destination"`
`23:01.44`	`sussudio`	`msgid "teleporter brings you back to where you started. Teleport connections"`
`23:01.46`	`scanline`	`hahahaha`
`23:01.48`	`sussudio`	`not true.......`
`23:01.59`	`sussudio`	`you can set it for another link`
`23:04.00`	`insect_power2`	`oh australian open: Reiner Sch�ttler plays today`
`23:05.01`	`insect_power2`	`1/8 final against James Black, thats gonna be a though match`
`23:05.21`	`insect_power2`	`~x de en hart`
`23:05.41`	`insect_power2`	`~x de en anstrengend`
`23:06.05`	`insect_power2`	`~x de en schwierig`
`23:06.14`	`insect_power2`	`no`
`23:06.26`	`sussudio`	`schwein`
`23:06.56`	`insect_power2`	`~x en de tough`
`23:07.12`	`insect_power2`	`~x de en haltbar`
`23:08.54`	`sussudio`	`hmm no`
`23:09.09`	`sussudio`	`haltbar means you can keep something long... like milk`
`23:09.16`	`insect_power2`	`yes`
`23:09.23`	`insect_power2`	`~x de en stark`
`23:10.02`	`insect_power2`	`~x de en brutalo`
`23:10.14`	`sussudio`	`thats not a word`
`23:10.16`	`insect_power2`	`rofl`
`23:10.30`	`sussudio`	`~x it en bruto`
`23:10.37`	`sussudio`	`noooo`
`23:11.27`	`insect_power2`	`cool, i ordered a spy cam`
`23:13.07`	`sussudio`	`you succccccccck`
`23:13.19`	`sussudio`	`~lart x10`
`23:14.15`	`victorvdl`	`~lart Solaris`
`23:16.31`	`insect_power2`	`someone knows Leonidas Guibas and Jorge Stolfi?`
`23:16.52`	`sussudio`	`Solaris love you long time`
`23:19.06`	`insect_power2`	`we have solaris too`
`23:20.03`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.48)`
`23:56.10`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.111)`

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