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| 00:01.06 | PerfectCell | hey ur president looks like a stupid chimb, and ibelieve he is one |
| 00:01.36 | MrApathyCream | chimb? |
| 00:01.49 | PerfectCell | chimp |
| 00:01.52 | MrDoug | ~spell chimb |
| 00:01.53 | | possible spellings for chimb: Chimu chime Chaim chum chm chimer chem shim chimp chemo chyme chummy Chiba Chin chin chub comb |
| 00:02.05 | MrDoug | take your pick |
| 00:02.21 | MrApathyCream | he looks like a chimichanga to me |
| 00:03.12 | PerfectCell | ~x en de chimichanga |
| 00:03.42 | MrDoug | ~dict chimichanga |
| 00:03.44 | PerfectCell | i tell you what not the us who calls it self the super power but france + germany are the super power |
| 00:03.53 | MrDoug | uh huh |
| 00:03.54 | PerfectCell | the real |
| 00:03.57 | MrDoug | riiiight |
| 00:04.20 | sussudio | yeah..... froggykrauts rule...... something...... |
| 00:04.41 | PerfectCell | so when we say we dont want to attack the irak you have to abide |
| 00:04.49 | MrDoug | FROG SAUSAGES! |
| 00:06.56 | MrApathyCream | were abidin' wezzzaaa skekekrrreeeeerrrrd |
| 00:08.38 | sussudio | ~piggy |
| 00:08.39 | | Piggy logs all you do... Look at bzflag.dontexist.org |
| 00:12.08 | MrDoug | oops |
| 00:12.24 | MrApathyCream | COOL! |
| 00:12.27 | Patlabor221 | so have ether of you actualy exported a mdoel? |
| 00:12.39 | Piggy | * MrDoug blows PerfectCell |
| 00:13.12 | MrDoug | MrApathyCream: hmm |
| 00:13.23 | Patlabor221 | and you thought you knew someone |
| 00:13.25 | MrDoug | MrApathyCream: http://heck.no-ip.com/bzflaglog/ |
| 00:13.37 | MrDoug | humph |
| 00:13.42 | MrDoug | lost 19 bucks today |
| 00:13.45 | MrDoug | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=c&c=&k=c1&t=3m&s=ryaix&a=v&p=s&l=on&z=m&q=l&x=on&y=on&w=on |
| 00:14.04 | Patlabor221 | and I still win :) |
| 00:14.17 | MrDoug | I invest in rydex |
| 00:14.25 | MrDoug | stocks go down, I go up |
| 00:14.25 | Patlabor221 | MAC: I talked to tim about the model replacement stuff. |
| 00:15.04 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: and? |
| 00:15.28 | MrDoug | hah |
| 00:15.31 | Patlabor221 | he says he'd like to see it as a patch first |
| 00:15.37 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 00:15.41 | MrApathyCream | can understand that |
| 00:15.41 | MrDoug | ~lart me |
| 00:15.43 | Patlabor221 | and he is woried about the low end machines |
| 00:15.48 | MrDoug | kewl |
| 00:15.57 | Patlabor221 | so we talked about loading 2 models based on the quality seting |
| 00:16.01 | MrApathyCream | shouldn't be a prob, if you shoot spears |
| 00:16.07 | sussudio | anyone want an url attached to their name in the channel stats |
| 00:16.08 | MrDoug | Patlabor221: bah, low end... just have it use the default tanks then |
| 00:16.15 | Patlabor221 | I can get a missle down to 36 faces |
| 00:16.18 | MrDoug | sussudio: heck.no-ip.com |
| 00:16.21 | Patlabor221 | doug stuf it |
| 00:16.23 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: that's fine i think |
| 00:16.26 | Patlabor221 | and then we talked about tanks |
| 00:16.30 | MrDoug | quack |
| 00:16.34 | Patlabor221 | he realy wants the tanks |
| 00:16.43 | Patlabor221 | again with 2 models |
| 00:16.43 | MrApathyCream | chestal is the only one who really complains about low end, and he never plays with flags :) |
| 00:16.50 | Patlabor221 | and ditch the view based LOD |
| 00:16.55 | sussudio | make a proper website first doug |
| 00:17.05 | MrDoug | sussudio: heckaman.com |
| 00:17.14 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: view based LOD? i thought in the end we did that |
| 00:17.24 | sussudio | heckaman.com doesnt exist |
| 00:17.25 | Patlabor221 | ohh I thought you said we did |
| 00:17.36 | MrDoug | www.heckaman.com |
| 00:17.41 | Patlabor221 | wow doug nice 404 |
| 00:17.42 | MrDoug | works for me |
| 00:17.46 | MrDoug | where? |
| 00:17.49 | MrDoug | works forme |
| 00:18.03 | MrDoug | put a www on it |
| 00:18.08 | MrApathyCream | yes we switch models based on size |
| 00:18.08 | Patlabor221 | looks like a fornt page crap template |
| 00:19.02 | Patlabor221 | MAC: we also talked about where he wants to go with it ultimately. |
| 00:19.20 | Patlabor221 | and I think I have a good idea how do it so it'll fit his plan. |
| 00:19.43 | Patlabor221 | he's ok with the N submesh explisions. |
| 00:20.13 | Patlabor221 | for the missle I think I'm just gonna take each sub mesh and give it a ranom Y rot. |
| 00:20.45 | Patlabor221 | ohh my god. this is the scareyest thing Iv'e seen since dougs webcam. |
| 00:20.46 | Patlabor221 | http://homepage.mac.com/evanbaumgardner/iMovieTheater6.html |
| 00:21.34 | MrDoug | lol |
| 00:22.51 | MrDoug | jeez, he even used hte default background music |
| 00:23.06 | Patlabor221 | hmmm wonder if I should add a "crap" section to the links on the bzedit page. |
| 00:23.22 | MrDoug | lol |
| 00:23.49 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 00:24.52 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: you can cheat off of tank explosion rots, if you like |
| 00:25.04 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 00:25.16 | MrDoug | wow, I have been metamoderated about 10 times this week |
| 00:25.59 | Patlabor221 | I was just gonna do what ever we do now and just auto calc the center of each sub mesh |
| 00:26.10 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: yeah rhar's good |
| 00:26.29 | MrApathyCream | ah, that's |
| 00:26.48 | Patlabor221 | looks to just be a random rot/random vector thing right now |
| 00:26.59 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 00:27.07 | MrApathyCream | bbiab |
| 00:27.18 | Patlabor221 | so it'll autoblow into how ever many named groups there are |
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| 01:22.02 | captain_proton | heya MrApathyCream |
| 01:22.20 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 01:22.25 | MrDoug | MrApathyCream: you use XP or 2000? |
| 01:22.29 | MrApathyCream | xp |
| 01:22.41 | MrDoug | firewall? |
| 01:22.48 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 01:22.53 | MrDoug | hm |
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| 01:29.00 | Patlabor221 | don't net send him |
| 01:29.19 | MrDoug | I aint |
| 01:29.25 | MrDoug | hes got SOME firewall |
| 01:29.25 | Patlabor221 | suuuuuurrreeeeeee |
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| 01:29.33 | MrDoug | one port open |
| 01:29.35 | Patlabor221 | on a dialup? |
| 01:29.38 | jacques | aarh xchat is pissing me off |
| 01:29.40 | Patlabor221 | then it's his ISP |
| 01:29.50 | MrDoug | hmm |
| 01:30.04 | Patlabor221 | he can't have one port opebn |
| 01:30.06 | Patlabor221 | must be 2 |
| 01:30.14 | Patlabor221 | or I owuld say more |
| 01:30.25 | jacques | anyone know the current servres for efnet? xchat has old ones apparently |
| 01:30.28 | MrDoug | bah |
| 01:30.30 | MrDoug | I scanned it |
| 01:30.33 | MrDoug | only one |
| 01:30.47 | Patlabor221 | doug you scaned his ISPs router. |
| 01:30.56 | MrDoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.02 | MrDoug | that ip is not his PC? |
| 01:31.10 | Patlabor221 | or the router that his ISP has there modem bank hooked to |
| 01:31.20 | MrDoug | hm |
| 01:31.20 | Patlabor221 | no that IP is the modem that he connected to |
| 01:31.34 | Patlabor221 | he calls a modem |
| 01:31.50 | MrDoug | yea |
| 01:31.54 | Patlabor221 | that modem hooks to a system that gets the modem on the net |
| 01:32.05 | Patlabor221 | all him and his modem do is ppp |
| 01:32.23 | Patlabor221 | learn how it works before you commoent. |
| 01:39.18 | MrApathyCream | <duk> I got a problem with this map |
| 01:39.24 | MrApathyCream | <MAC>post it on bugs |
| 01:39.31 | MrDoug | lol |
| 01:39.39 | MrApathyCream | <duk>I got a problem with this map, but i'm not giving it to you |
| 01:39.50 | Patlabor221 | <pat> post it on bugs |
| 01:41.04 | MrDoug | <doug> give it to me, I wont share it |
| 01:41.53 | Patlabor221 | ~sud |
| 01:41.53 | | shut up doug |
| 01:42.14 | MrDoug | <sud> I am getting tiered of this stuff |
| 01:42.26 | MrApathyCream | youd figure with all his 'vb programmin' experience he could figure out the problem |
| 01:42.43 | Patlabor221 | or at least how to hit the link that says "bugs" |
| 01:43.00 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: submitting a plain bug report is too pedestrian for him |
| 01:43.25 | Patlabor221 | yes must cross post to every forum |
| 01:43.38 | Patlabor221 | just because he's making a huge map |
| 01:43.55 | Patlabor221 | should tell him its a "Lame ass large map protection featurea" |
| 01:44.26 | captain_proton | "this feature is here to prevent you from making sucky maps" |
| 01:44.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:44.46 | Patlabor221 | if it's that big its' gonn run like ass |
| 01:45.12 | captain_proton | probably play like ass too |
| 01:46.00 | Patlabor221 | love how he says that overclocking dosn't get you anything ether |
| 01:46.34 | Patlabor221 | ha he just sent me the map |
| 01:47.09 | captain_proton | ohh, overclocking gets you something |
| 01:47.16 | captain_proton | but i don't feel the need to do it |
| 01:47.31 | MrApathyCream | aren't you special:) |
| 01:47.32 | Patlabor221 | on the durrons it gets me from 100 bus to 133 |
| 01:47.47 | Patlabor221 | here is my responce to him do you want me to post it as a real bug in the bug list? or will you take care of it? |
| 01:47.47 | Patlabor221 | I will load this an see what the deal is. But it needs to go in the list so it gets tracked. |
| 01:48.39 | Patlabor221 | cap on your P4 I agreee it's not realy worth it with your hardware |
| 01:49.07 | Patlabor221 | since I'm runnin a mobo and ram that can allready handle the 133 the only thing that is realy runining OCd is the CPU |
| 01:49.51 | Patlabor221 | wow talk about a cluterd map |
| 01:50.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh wow, and the arial TP network |
| 01:51.08 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: very special |
| 01:51.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah I called him a tard once |
| 01:51.42 | MrDoug | ? |
| 01:51.49 | MrDoug | let me see it |
| 01:51.55 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 01:52.00 | MrDoug | bah |
| 01:52.37 | captain_proton | hahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 01:52.46 | MrDoug | ? |
| 01:52.46 | captain_proton | "I recently discovered an issue probably with the way BZEdit addresses DirectX engine to display the 3D graphics" |
| 01:52.48 | captain_proton | hahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 01:52.51 | captain_proton | hahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 01:52.53 | MrDoug | HAHAHHAAAA |
| 01:52.57 | Patlabor221 | who? |
| 01:52.58 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 01:52.59 | | shut up doug |
| 01:53.03 | MrDoug | hahahaa |
| 01:53.09 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 01:53.09 | | shut up doug |
| 01:53.20 | captain_proton | MrDoug: don't say anything if you don't understand |
| 01:53.21 | MrApathyCream | hah |
| 01:53.27 | MrDoug | hahaha, it IS funny |
| 01:53.52 | sussudio | it's not funny HAHA it's funny OW |
| 01:53.57 | captain_proton | FOR THE KILL |
| 01:53.59 | MrDoug | WOW! |
| 01:57.08 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:58.09 | stibnite | ok who the heck is 'HUNTER' and why does he never ever ever reply to chat? |
| 01:58.32 | MrApathyCream | his n is broken off |
| 01:58.33 | MrDoug | ask him |
| 01:58.48 | stibnite | thanks doug, i can always count on you for help |
| 01:59.04 | MrDoug | your welcome |
| 02:00.16 | MrDoug | woo: A Novice's Guide to Hacking- 1989 edition |
| 02:00.21 | MrApathyCream | does itcrash? |
| 02:01.26 | MrApathyCream | on which board? |
| 02:01.59 | captain_proton | bzedit |
| 02:02.02 | captain_proton | the DX comment |
| 02:04.13 | Patlabor221 | Im typing it |
| 02:04.20 | Patlabor221 | how do you spell assclown? |
| 02:04.51 | sussudio | dubya |
| 02:05.21 | captain_proton | "doug" |
| 02:05.28 | MrApathyCream | ha |
| 02:06.36 | MrDoug | MrApathyCream: is in philadelphia? |
| 02:07.06 | MrApathyCream | close |
| 02:07.15 | MrDoug | hm |
| 02:07.18 | MrDoug | NJ? |
| 02:07.24 | MrApathyCream | nope |
| 02:07.32 | MrDoug | huh |
| 02:07.37 | MrDoug | near the city? |
| 02:07.37 | MrApathyCream | doug scrambles for his map |
| 02:07.43 | MrApathyCream | near |
| 02:07.59 | sussudio | since when is philly in NH |
| 02:08.01 | sussudio | NJ even |
| 02:08.01 | MrDoug | reading? |
| 02:08.01 | sussudio | even I know that and i dont live in the country |
| 02:08.02 | MrDoug | camdem? |
| 02:08.04 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:08.10 | sussudio | you're a dumbass doug |
| 02:08.12 | MrApathyCream | yah, that's it! |
| 02:08.12 | MrDoug | its on the boarder |
| 02:08.16 | MrDoug | woo |
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| 02:08.31 | sussudio | ~spell boarder |
| 02:08.32 | | 'boarder' may be spelled correctly |
| 02:08.36 | sussudio | no iboty |
| 02:08.41 | Patlabor221 | clear!!!!!!!! |
| 02:09.05 | Patlabor221 | gawd he allso PMed me to "let me know there was an issue" |
| 02:09.23 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: haha |
| 02:09.44 | Patlabor221 | and he won't submit it as a bug, he wanted me to, he "forgot" |
| 02:10.13 | Patlabor221 | bzfs should not load any map where the blocks spell words |
| 02:10.57 | victorvdl | Patlabor221: Just tell him to go and boil his rear... |
| 02:11.04 | sussudio | and any posting with the word 'slick' in it |
| 02:11.11 | MrDoug | slick |
| 02:11.16 | MrDoug | that would be really kewl |
| 02:11.31 | Patlabor221 | what boiling somones ass doug, you are sick |
| 02:11.31 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 02:11.32 | | shut up doug |
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| 02:12.03 | captain_proton | GAH |
| 02:12.05 | captain_proton | more speed = more voltage = more heat (more bus speed = more resistors) |
| 02:12.10 | Patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/crapmap.png |
| 02:12.13 | captain_proton | so many misconceptions there it hurts |
| 02:12.19 | sussudio | resistors are futile |
| 02:12.37 | Patlabor221 | soon CPUs will be so fast the compute back in time. |
| 02:13.40 | Patlabor221 | well the GM missile will now spin each part in a random dir and random speed |
| 02:14.00 | Patlabor221 | hmm no constant speed, random start angle random dir. |
| 02:14.01 | MrDoug | cool |
| 02:14.01 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 02:14.19 | MrDoug | wow |
| 02:14.21 | MrDoug | a nice map there |
| 02:14.25 | MrApathyCream | new proggy? |
| 02:14.33 | MrDoug | insane teleports |
| 02:14.35 | Patlabor221 | so when I add a flare it will spin too |
| 02:14.37 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you made an error |
| 02:14.42 | Patlabor221 | I did? |
| 02:14.43 | captain_proton | "BZEdit uses a tinny bit of DX" |
| 02:14.48 | Patlabor221 | what else do we use? |
| 02:14.55 | Patlabor221 | I do, must edit |
| 02:14.56 | MrDoug | lol |
| 02:15.30 | Patlabor221 | fixed, thanks man |
| 02:16.14 | Patlabor221 | do we use it for sound, I don't remember |
| 02:16.29 | captain_proton | i think the windows platform stuff does use it for sound |
| 02:16.33 | captain_proton | but the sound code is scary |
| 02:16.39 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 02:16.48 | MrApathyCream | there's a ref to BZEdit on line 1 too |
| 02:17.10 | Patlabor221 | I just gave them the primary I think, and the normal mixing stuff does the rest |
| 02:17.15 | Patlabor221 | no hardware 3d |
| 02:17.41 | Patlabor221 | line one is suposed to be edit not flag |
| 02:17.46 | MrApathyCream | oh, k |
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| 02:18.00 | Patlabor221 | I don't use ANY dx in the editor |
| 02:18.06 | Noodleman | ~seen MrDoug |
| 02:18.07 | | mrdoug is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 239 messages. Is idling for 3m 11s |
| 02:18.22 | MrDoug | oh? |
| 02:18.24 | MrDoug | yes? |
| 02:18.33 | MrDoug | hi |
| 02:18.36 | MrDoug | greetings |
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| 02:37.11 | MrDoug | yo Patlabor221 |
| 02:37.16 | Patlabor221 | hello |
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| 02:37.20 | MrDoug | yo fiberchunks |
| 02:37.26 | fiberchunks | yo |
| 02:37.46 | fiberchunks | anyone here use doxygen on a regular basis |
| 02:37.56 | MrDoug | whats that? |
| 02:39.51 | fiberchunks | source code documentation generator inline source code |
| 02:40.02 | MrDoug | kewl |
| 02:40.07 | MrDoug | sounds neat |
| 02:40.15 | MrDoug | very slick indeed, does it work? |
| 02:40.22 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 02:40.23 | | shut up doug |
| 02:40.29 | scanline | I use doxygen for picogui's C client library |
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| 02:40.36 | captain_proton | don't say things are "kewl" or "neat" or "slick" when you DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS |
| 02:40.44 | MrDoug | OH! |
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| 02:42.01 | fiberchunks | scanline: where do you document, in the header, or implementation file? |
| 02:42.04 | fiberchunks | or both |
| 02:42.15 | scanline | I prefer documenting only in the header |
| 02:42.31 | fiberchunks | that's what I was thinking about too - makes the implementation easier to read |
| 02:42.33 | fiberchunks | imho |
| 02:42.39 | scanline | makes the header easier to read too |
| 02:42.43 | fiberchunks | just learning the system, and it's quite complex |
| 02:43.19 | scanline | http://picogui.org/doc/doxygen/cli_c/doxygen/cli_c/html/modules.html |
| 02:43.25 | fiberchunks | do you do alot of fully implemented functions within the class definition, or do you explicitly break the implementation from the definition |
| 02:43.37 | scanline | since it's C code, I don't use the class diagram features... but the modules and per-function docs are nice |
| 02:43.56 | scanline | fiberchunks: only time I would implement something in the header is for inlines, when you have to |
| 02:44.55 | scanline | whoops, that was the wrong URL |
| 02:44.56 | scanline | http://picogui.org/doc/doxygen/cli_c/html/modules.html |
| 02:45.00 | fiberchunks | that's what I figured, just that some of the books and such that I try and learn from implement in class def, which seems odd (and also seems to break the 'modularity' aspect of C++) |
| 02:45.13 | scanline | fiberchunks: it's the Java style ;) |
| 02:45.26 | Patlabor221 | what is doxygen |
| 02:45.43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it parses source and generates API documentation |
| 02:45.47 | scanline | There are a lot of languages that do implementation and interface in one file correctly, but for C++ it just makes no sense |
| 02:45.53 | Patlabor221 | coooooooool |
| 02:45.59 | captain_proton | we may eventually want to do doxygen stuffs for jetstream |
| 02:46.05 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm we may be able to use it. |
| 02:46.12 | scanline | captain_proton: yes |
| 02:46.31 | Patlabor221 | we have an API that we hate to doc. |
| 02:47.10 | fiberchunks | it's nice, cause you can just document as you code, and not fiddle with changing things in 2 or 3 different areas (separate doc files, etc) |
| 02:47.27 | fiberchunks | generates LaTeX, HTML, RTF, and manpages |
| 02:47.39 | scanline | well, doxygen is nice as a reference but it doesn't substitute for 'real' documentation IMHO |
| 02:48.04 | scanline | you still want something that explains, in a logical order, how you use things and why they're like that |
| 02:48.15 | captain_proton | like Surface.h |
| 02:48.17 | captain_proton | which is mostly comments |
| 02:48.21 | scanline | haha |
| 02:48.32 | scanline | I mean like something oreilly would publish :) |
| 02:48.41 | fiberchunks | yeah -- that's true |
| 02:48.51 | MrApathyCream | doxygen.exe -in Region.cxx |
| 02:48.57 | MrApathyCream | #bugger all are you on crack? |
| 02:49.07 | scanline | captain_proton: oh come on, It's only two or three comment lines per code line :) |
| 02:49.34 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yep |
| 02:49.38 | fiberchunks | but it seems to me that it can certainly aid in developing /real/ docs (of the publishing kind) |
| 02:49.43 | captain_proton | even surface makes more sense than Region.cxx |
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| 02:50.39 | captain_proton | Stainal is back! |
| 02:50.53 | scanline | grep -ri stainal / |
| 02:50.56 | Patlabor221 | we need the ref part, we have tutorials and samples and stuff. |
| 02:51.01 | captain_proton | scanline: he's done taht |
| 02:51.06 | scanline | haha |
| 02:51.08 | captain_proton | only match is /dev/kmem |
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| 02:51.56 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: doxygen supports multiple styles of 'special comments' such as JavaDoc, Qt, and C++ extended comments -- check it out, I think you'll like it |
| 02:52.16 | Patlabor221 | I shall at work tomorow |
| 02:53.04 | fiberchunks | prob your preference for C ;) |
| 02:53.12 | Patlabor221 | see doug, 1) ask what it is, 2) grock what it is, 3)comment on how you can use it, 4) say its cool whenit realy is cool |
| 02:53.23 | MrDoug | cool |
| 02:53.39 | Patlabor221 | you failed step 2 |
| 02:53.44 | scanline | fiberchunks: I just find a // to be infinitely less elegant than /* */ |
| 02:53.44 | MrDoug | aww |
| 02:54.18 | scanline | I write oneliner /* */'s all the time |
| 02:54.27 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.33 | scanline | I usually do multilines like: |
| 02:54.34 | fiberchunks | scanline: the reason I like em's cause I can type // faster than /* |
| 02:54.35 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.37 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.39 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.51 | scanline | My fingers are hardwired to type /* very fast :) |
| 02:54.56 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 02:55.16 | fiberchunks | I shift+character with the same hand (big no-no) ;) |
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| 02:56.03 | scanline | I always shift with my right hand |
| 02:56.05 | noodlemansfriend | noodleman: is this computer right on the firewall? |
| 02:56.10 | fiberchunks | same here |
| 02:56.28 | Noodleman | nope, it's behind |
| 02:56.29 | fiberchunks | sometimes I find my left hand shifting - and I *grin* |
| 02:56.33 | noodlemansfriend | hmm |
| 02:56.38 | noodlemansfriend | so no VPN... :P |
| 02:56.39 | Noodleman | there's no way i'd run a windows firewall |
| 02:56.44 | noodlemansfriend | hah |
| 02:56.50 | noodlemansfriend | nor a VPN for that matter |
| 02:56.52 | Noodleman | it can do vpn |
| 02:57.03 | noodlemansfriend | yea, I am just fiddling with the settings |
| 02:57.06 | Noodleman | i believe |
| 02:57.58 | noodlemansfriend | hmm |
| 02:58.07 | Patlabor221 | there are windows firewall packages |
| 02:58.17 | noodlemansfriend | ugh |
| 02:58.20 | Noodleman | but i wouldn't use em :-) |
| 02:58.22 | Patlabor221 | and nat packages as well |
| 02:58.23 | noodlemansfriend | linux is better for firewalls |
| 02:58.27 | noodlemansfriend | and NATs |
| 02:58.31 | noodlemansfriend | and routers |
| 02:58.38 | Noodleman | and desktops :-P |
| 02:58.44 | noodlemansfriend | hah |
| 02:58.50 | noodlemansfriend | Patlabor221: heh |
| 02:58.59 | Patlabor221 | but not 3d modelers it seems :( |
| 02:59.08 | Noodleman | there is maya for linux |
| 02:59.13 | noodlemansfriend | lol |
| 02:59.19 | Patlabor221 | maya blows :) |
| 02:59.29 | Noodleman | thats was dreamworks uses |
| 02:59.34 | Patlabor221 | they ever linify lightwave? |
| 02:59.43 | fiberchunks | think so |
| 02:59.46 | Noodleman | i dont know if they did or not |
| 02:59.52 | Patlabor221 | they use one that's on a SGI, god what is the name |
| 02:59.56 | Patlabor221 | BMS bought it |
| 02:59.58 | fiberchunks | think i remember reading someone about it |
| 03:00.05 | fiberchunks | heh, something |
| 03:01.05 | fiberchunks | q: should a derived class be contained within the .h file for the base class, or should it be in it's own .h, with it's own implementation file? |
| 03:01.23 | Patlabor221 | depends |
| 03:01.33 | fiberchunks | on? |
| 03:01.39 | Patlabor221 | what your doing with it |
| 03:01.54 | Patlabor221 | BZEdit put all the dreived object classes in there own 2 files |
| 03:02.02 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 03:02.47 | Patlabor221 | but i've also seen derives in the same as the base. if they are only used together |
| 03:03.04 | Patlabor221 | or if the derived is also derived in other places |
| 03:03.42 | Patlabor221 | screamers puts the derived classes in lots of difrent places, sometimes in a dynamicly loaded library :) |
| 03:03.56 | fiberchunks | or 2 |
| 03:04.28 | scanline | IMHO separation of code into files should be based on size and the software's design more than classes |
| 03:04.48 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:04.52 | scanline | sometimes a class will need several small utility classes, but it makes sense to put them into one file for ease of maintainability |
| 03:05.02 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 03:05.02 | Patlabor221 | da |
| 03:05.15 | Patlabor221 | that's why I grouped all the derived objects together |
| 03:05.19 | Patlabor221 | they are used together |
| 03:05.26 | scanline | or maybe you'll have one class that's really complex but for some reason has to be a single class, you can split it into files with different functional units |
| 03:05.31 | Patlabor221 | but some of them use util classes just for them, so they are in there too |
| 03:06.00 | scanline | :) |
| 03:06.10 | Patlabor221 | I've done that in MFC, broke the view class into one that handles menus and another that did drawing. |
| 03:06.25 | Patlabor221 | made editing a LOT eather. |
| 03:06.42 | scanline | I try to keep files under 1000 lines, and files over 2000 lines really bother me |
| 03:06.51 | Patlabor221 | yes but your wierd :) |
| 03:07.03 | scanline | yeah, I actually comment my code ;) |
| 03:07.14 | Patlabor221 | I break em whi I find myself going "crap this is long" :) |
| 03:07.23 | Patlabor221 | see WIERD I tell you, abomination!!!!! |
| 03:08.34 | Patlabor221 | I think the people I work with like huge files, cryptic names, and COM way too much |
| 03:09.08 | Patlabor221 | I tell them I'm gonna break it up and they tell me that I shouldn't because "it may not work right then" |
| 03:12.14 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 03:13.06 | Patlabor221 | whoot, getin a gig of PC2700 next week, prices are dropin again. |
| 03:13.16 | Patlabor221 | OC 1900+ here I come |
| 03:14.16 | Patlabor221 | can't beilve that 512's are down to 75$ |
| 03:18.11 | noodlemansfriend | really? |
| 03:18.13 | noodlemansfriend | thats cheap |
| 03:18.55 | noodlemansfriend | I paid 40 bucks for 56 megs |
| 03:19.08 | Patlabor221 | 56? |
| 03:19.22 | Patlabor221 | 256? |
| 03:19.48 | noodlemansfriend | yea |
| 03:19.59 | MrApathyCream | scanline meet bzfs.cxx, bzfs.cxx meet scanline |
| 03:21.11 | Patlabor221 | I dono playing is rather nasty too |
| 03:21.23 | Patlabor221 | tho not as bad as "tankGame.cpp" |
| 03:21.35 | MrApathyCream | heh, might as well be |
| 03:50.20 | MrDoug | http://www.astalavista.net/new/network.php |
| 03:50.23 | MrDoug | scary |
| 03:50.34 | MrDoug | it gives you a photo of stuff on your drive |
| 03:51.08 | captain_proton | MrDoug: baka |
| 03:51.15 | MrDoug | :P |
| 03:51.26 | MrDoug | I aint that dumb |
| 03:51.40 | captain_proton | MrDoug: you realize its not actually giving you a "photo of stuff on your drive"? |
| 03:51.44 | captain_proton | its just opening a file:// |
| 03:51.52 | MrDoug | yes yes |
| 03:52.06 | MrDoug | I KNOW... :P |
| 03:52.22 | captain_proton | sow how is it "scary" ? |
| 03:52.48 | MrDoug | I wanted someone to get puzzled |
| 03:52.56 | captain_proton | sure ya did |
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| 03:55.40 | Patlabor221 | be he started hiding his porn |
| 03:56.42 | Patlabor221 | got something stuck in your nose? |
| 03:57.38 | fiberchunks | that's where he's hiding his pr0n |
| 03:57.40 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:00.00 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 04:02.32 | Patlabor221 | does BZ make a list for each world object? |
| 04:02.40 | Patlabor221 | or just raw draw? |
| 04:06.13 | captain_proton | raw draw iirc |
| 04:06.17 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 04:06.28 | Patlabor221 | duko has some funky list issue I guess |
| 04:06.42 | Patlabor221 | he's on an old GF2 |
| 04:06.56 | Patlabor221 | and a crap one at that |
| 04:09.17 | Patlabor221 | cap it says that he replied to your post but the last one I see is your post. odd |
| 04:09.47 | fiberchunks | probably because of my cross-post juggling |
| 04:10.51 | Patlabor221 | oooooo, I want to see what he said :) |
| 04:11.56 | fiberchunks | I moved all of it into the developers forum from the general forum -- but I may have screwed the pooch on a couple of the other ones - sorry if I deleted anything of interest, but I'm not fond of cross-posting either |
| 04:12.04 | Patlabor221 | can you even count a GF2 GTS as a real GF? |
| 04:12.25 | Patlabor221 | when did you do it, I'm talkin just right this min. |
| 04:12.32 | Patlabor221 | thought you did that way earlyer |
| 04:12.37 | fiberchunks | oh no, this was a while ago - yah |
| 04:12.44 | Patlabor221 | maybe he's still writing |
| 04:12.47 | fiberchunks | prob ~3 hours or so ago |
| 04:12.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh I had an idea |
| 04:13.09 | Patlabor221 | maybe if you changed the "developers one" to "Developement questions" |
| 04:13.32 | Patlabor221 | and make the text be like "discuss dev issues and bugs" or someting |
| 04:13.50 | Patlabor221 | then people will have a place to post if they want to ask if something is a bug, or the like |
| 04:14.01 | Patlabor221 | instead of "dev's show yourrslefved" |
| 04:14.45 | Patlabor221 | but then again I have been known to speak out my ass |
| 04:14.49 | fiberchunks | ah, good idea, do that directly |
| 04:15.16 | Patlabor221 | cus you have a place for compile issues |
| 04:15.27 | Patlabor221 | and not everyone knows about the SF boards |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | and I can't say I'd want everyone to post to the SF boards |
| 04:15.46 | Patlabor221 | (death whatever) |
| 04:16.56 | fiberchunks | there |
| 04:17.20 | TimRiker | need a SF account to post on SF iirc. |
| 04:17.34 | scanline | can anyone here verify they can access the following URL please? |
| 04:17.35 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/ |
| 04:17.40 | Patlabor221 | yes but they seem to have learned to sign up |
| 04:17.51 | Patlabor221 | I can |
| 04:17.58 | scanline | excellent |
| 04:18.32 | Patlabor221 | can't get to SVN |
| 04:18.37 | fiberchunks | me too scanline |
| 04:18.53 | scanline | I haven't set up the SVN server yet |
| 04:19.04 | scanline | thanks |
| 04:19.35 | Patlabor221 | well do we need the show yourselves one then? |
| 04:21.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh I see you got a bug |
| 04:21.10 | Patlabor221 | the old comps topic has 4 pages |
| 04:21.24 | Patlabor221 | but I can't see the link to page 4 |
| 04:21.28 | Patlabor221 | just 1 to 3 |
| 04:21.50 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?p=2520#2520 |
| 04:22.12 | Patlabor221 | gawd he dosn't get it. |
| 04:22.24 | fiberchunks | ooooo, that's odd |
| 04:22.29 | Patlabor221 | very |
| 04:22.41 | Patlabor221 | I've seen ones larger then 4 too |
| 04:23.11 | captain_proton | what i want to know is how one "tweaks" opengl |
| 04:23.44 | Patlabor221 | binary hacks to the DLL man |
| 04:23.49 | Patlabor221 | it's all the rage :) |
| 04:23.54 | captain_proton | haha |
| 04:24.21 | captain_proton | he'll rewrite them in VB |
| 04:24.22 | Patlabor221 | hacked in VB too |
| 04:24.25 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 04:24.25 | captain_proton | for performance reasons |
| 04:25.22 | scanline | someone should confuse him with talk of microcode and pipelining |
| 04:25.32 | scanline | or start talking about VLIW |
| 04:26.17 | scanline | it will be so much fun to write a compiler for too! |
| 04:26.26 | Patlabor221 | all you can realy do in the driver he has is, disable CPU extended instructions, set the clamp, set the vsync, and set the default z buff, and flip mode. |
| 04:26.30 | fiberchunks | odd, his post displays after I posted a response to the original topic |
| 04:26.44 | Patlabor221 | very odd indedd |
| 04:28.16 | scanline | fiberchunks: why does BZBB allow nicks like ";-)"? |
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| 04:30.32 | fiberchunks | I could've disallowed special characters, but I didn't, due to the fact that alot of people have [TEA|TREE] [~T~], etc in their nicks for playing |
| 04:30.56 | fiberchunks | or: answer 2: cause I'm damned lazy ;) |
| 04:31.17 | Patlabor221 | can you leave it on but set there rank to "lamer" |
| 04:31.23 | fiberchunks | why, any particular reason? |
| 04:31.41 | scanline | Patlabor221: good idea! |
| 04:31.51 | scanline | fiberchunks: just a nitpick |
| 04:31.52 | fiberchunks | have to MOD the php code, which I also didn't feel like doing -- unfortunately the software doesn't support regexp by default |
| 04:31.58 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:32.16 | fiberchunks | fix bzflag to not allow special characters, and I'll change the forum ;) |
| 04:32.34 | Patlabor221 | howbout we just shoot the lamerz |
| 04:32.35 | scanline | right after I rewrite picogui, finish jetstream, and write a new font engine for bzflag :) |
| 04:32.41 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:32.46 | fiberchunks | deal then |
| 04:33.11 | Patlabor221 | my way can be done in paralel and is more fun |
| 04:33.28 | scanline | double-barreled even |
| 04:33.35 | scanline | hell, we could make it proper justice and use tanks |
| 04:33.40 | Patlabor221 | oh fiber did I show you the "site" I was asked to link to? |
| 04:33.44 | fiberchunks | no |
| 04:33.58 | Patlabor221 | http://bzedit.web1000.com/ |
| 04:34.40 | captain_proton | haha |
| 04:34.53 | Patlabor221 | the "site" makes me want to put a "crap" section in my links |
| 04:34.57 | fiberchunks | lovely -- YaBB seems to be working well for it |
| 04:35.17 | captain_proton | its got so much content too! |
| 04:35.24 | fiberchunks | chock full |
| 04:35.55 | Patlabor221 | at first I put the link on my site but set the image to 2 pix high :) |
| 04:36.06 | Patlabor221 | and told him "looks fine in my browser" |
| 04:36.09 | fiberchunks | granted, if I didn't find phpBB, I never would've been able to get something like my site going, but hey -- at least I got something that works well, and looks good :) |
| 04:36.14 | captain_proton | 2px is awfully big |
| 04:36.16 | fiberchunks | LOL |
| 04:36.23 | scanline | 0.8px |
| 04:36.41 | Patlabor221 | I shulda |
| 04:36.57 | scanline | of course, that will still make google give his page a higher rank |
| 04:37.02 | scanline | so you also have to misspell the link |
| 04:37.48 | Patlabor221 | he wonderd why I named the picture he sent me "crepers-bad-logo.gif" |
| 04:37.57 | fiberchunks | wow, didn't even realize there are 119 users of the forum (most don't post, but whatever), not bad for only 2 months up |
| 04:38.41 | captain_proton | i wanna see the logo |
| 04:39.06 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/Images/links/creeper-Bad-logo.gif |
| 04:39.32 | scanline | yikes |
| 04:39.33 | captain_proton | ohh i see |
| 04:39.34 | scanline | it burns |
| 04:39.35 | scanline | ! |
| 04:39.35 | captain_proton | eep |
| 04:39.49 | Patlabor221 | I told him how to make a nicer one |
| 04:40.04 | Patlabor221 | if he dosn't have one soon I'll make one for him and make him gry |
| 04:40.07 | Patlabor221 | cry |
| 04:40.09 | scanline | ~spell excorsism |
| 04:40.10 | | possible spellings for excorsism: exorcism excursus exoticism exorcisms excursus's excursuses exegesis excuses exorcise exorcist excess exclaims excursive |
| 04:40.21 | Patlabor221 | I can't cast that |
| 04:40.26 | fiberchunks | is that a tank? or a tube with wheels? |
| 04:40.27 | Patlabor221 | then I'd have to leave |
| 04:40.31 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 04:41.00 | scanline | Definitely MS Paint material |
| 04:41.23 | Patlabor221 | he says photstyler |
| 04:41.27 | captain_proton | EXORCISE 'im... |
| 04:42.20 | captain_proton | eh |
| 04:42.21 | captain_proton | not really |
| 04:42.28 | captain_proton | i started a rewrite |
| 04:42.36 | captain_proton | but haven't gone back to it |
| 04:42.40 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:44.14 | TimRiker | so, the hosting folks are telling me (live) that xmission.bzflag.org was eating a full T1 of bandwidth. |
| 04:44.22 | TimRiker | so they shut it down with no warning. |
| 04:44.29 | fiberchunks | how nice of them |
| 04:44.45 | TimRiker | anyone monitored a busy server to get a better idea of bandwidth? |
| 04:45.01 | fiberchunks | Chestal gave me some stats for ducati once |
| 04:45.14 | TimRiker | might be time to add some bandwidth monitoring? |
| 04:45.37 | TimRiker | ducati was never in the +10 users for a week straight though. ;-) |
| 04:45.43 | fiberchunks | true |
| 04:46.53 | fiberchunks | would be interesting to see what kernel panic gets for bandwidth usage -- that would be a kindof 'max' usage parameter |
| 04:46.55 | fiberchunks | it seems |
| 04:52.00 | Patlabor221 | how many users used a full T1? |
| 04:54.33 | fiberchunks | scanline: did you say you used doxygen on picogui, or jetstream? |
| 04:54.42 | scanline | picogui |
| 04:54.56 | fiberchunks | ah, thanks -- think I'll check it out for some good examples :0 |
| 04:54.57 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:55.07 | scanline | I only use doxygen in the C client library |
| 04:55.13 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:58.51 | scanline | times like this I wish navi ran gentoo |
| 05:01.58 | Patlabor221 | is it gonna be a bitch to get SVN installed on my redhat machine? |
| 05:02.16 | scanline | well, it would have been easy except that debian's apache2 packages suck |
| 05:02.28 | scanline | there's no development package, so you can't compile modules using just the debian package |
| 05:02.39 | scanline | I dunno how the redhat packages are |
| 05:02.47 | Patlabor221 | nor do I |
| 05:03.27 | fiberchunks | shouldn't be that hard Patlabor221, the biggest problem I had with SVN was getting APR support, but I don't run apache2, you shouldn't have big grief with it |
| 05:05.14 | Patlabor221 | yes I should, I have NO clue what I'm to do :) |
| 05:05.26 | fiberchunks | read man, read ;) |
| 05:05.37 | Patlabor221 | rather spend the time coding |
| 05:05.43 | scanline | subversion has nice documentation compared to the other systems I looked at |
| 05:06.02 | scanline | hehe.. barcelona looks cool on yoshi's spectrum analyzer |
| 05:06.17 | Patlabor221 | I read some of it, but they asume I know the basics of command line lin, and that I am not to sure of yet |
| 05:06.27 | fiberchunks | the server install did not seem to be that difficult really, but again, since I don't have APR support, I didn't spend much time on it |
| 05:06.59 | Patlabor221 | advanced protonic reversal? |
| 05:06.59 | fiberchunks | Apache Portable Runtime (incl. in 2, not in 1.3.xx |
| 05:08.05 | fiberchunks | the major difference I think, bet. 1.3 series and 2 series (which breaks much stuff, apparently, hence the php apache2 problem) |
| 05:09.00 | fiberchunks | off to bed gents (and ladies), have a good night |
| 05:09.07 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 05:11.24 | captain_proton | cheeze hack? |
| 05:11.47 | Patlabor221 | used a vector to store all the objects |
| 05:12.09 | Patlabor221 | when you deleted the IDS of the one after the removal were screwed |
| 05:12.14 | Patlabor221 | just replaced it with a map |
| 05:12.24 | Patlabor221 | and a number I keep incrementing every time you add |
| 05:12.42 | Patlabor221 | hope noone adds and deletes 4 billion times :) |
| 05:13.25 | Patlabor221 | I realy should keep it in a nice grouped tree or a list |
| 05:14.58 | Patlabor221 | hence cheeze |
| 05:15.49 | Patlabor221 | like you I think, I have grown weary of the editor and wish to move on to larger things :) |
| 05:16.04 | Patlabor221 | perhpas duco can take it over and make it in VB :) |
| 05:17.19 | scanline | argh... |
| 05:17.25 | scanline | navi:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd |
| 05:17.25 | scanline | Segmentation fault |
| 05:17.50 | scanline | ap_resolve_env (p=0x81c5e50, word=0xbfe02071 "serDir public_html") at util.c:831 |
| 05:17.50 | scanline | 831 if (!(s=ap_strchr_c(word,'$'))) |
| 05:17.51 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: jetstream! |
| 05:17.56 | scanline | apparently it didn't like that config option |
| 05:20.02 | scanline | #$@#%@#^ |
| 05:20.09 | Patlabor221 | mostly it involved playing halo till 3am tho |
| 05:20.29 | captain_proton | take THAT rebel scum |
| 05:20.41 | scanline | navi:~/httpd-2.0.44# make uninstall |
| 05:20.41 | scanline | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 05:20.44 | Patlabor221 | no rebels in halo |
| 05:20.44 | scanline | grrrrrrr |
| 05:28.10 | MrApathyCream | would there be any advantage to define the world object chunked by type for opengl sake? |
| 05:30.04 | captain_proton | nope |
| 05:30.15 | captain_proton | the scene graph already sorts primitives by texture (iirc) |
| 05:30.29 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:32.09 | scanline | AH! |
| 05:32.54 | scanline | debian has all these nice apache2 packages when you search on packages.debian.org... but they weren't showing up in dselect searcg |
| 05:32.57 | scanline | err, search |
| 05:33.19 | scanline | apt-get install libapache2-dav-svn |
| 05:33.20 | scanline | mmmm |
| 05:36.37 | TimRiker | http://test.thegamebox.net/mrtg/poppyq.html |
| 05:37.27 | TimRiker | I can't get to the server logs to see player counts but they were over 10 for most of the day. |
| 05:37.47 | TimRiker | probably averaged close to 10 for the whole week it was up. |
| 05:39.57 | stibnite | TimRiker: did that debug tarfile help you at all? |
| 05:40.46 | TimRiker | stibnite: not yet, no. but thanx. ;-/ |
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| 06:22.38 | TimRiker | Player connect time: 4745.517090 |
| 06:22.38 | TimRiker | Player messages in: gw:19(6) en:1(176) id:1(176) nr:1(28) oj:1(46) of:1(48) tt:1(48) og:1(50) al:83(142) p |
| 06:22.38 | TimRiker | u:18304(46) gf:132(48) pi:429(48) df:47(48) sb:1265(142) se:124(50) sc:123(142) kl:72(142) cf:555(142) tp: |
| 06:22.38 | TimRiker | 10(142) mg:3(142) gm:73(142) ex:1(4) total:21247(920934) max msgs/bytes per second: 473/2878 |
| 06:22.38 | TimRiker | Player messages out: gw:19(262) ac:2(262) tu:156(14) fu:1117(180) ap:38(188) nr:1(188) mg:100(150) of:1(15 |
| 06:22.39 | TimRiker | 0) al:547(76) gf:427(76) pi:440(76) df:378(76) sb:7234(76) se:1208(76) kl:346(76) sc:692(76) tp:37(76) cf: |
| 06:22.41 | TimRiker | 43(76) rp:28(16) total:12814(574694) max msgs/bytes per second: 69/4750 |
| 06:22.43 | TimRiker | accept() from 65.29.72.235:61093 on 9 |
| 06:22.45 | TimRiker | eep. |
| 06:22.53 | TimRiker | max 473 packets per second. |
| 06:23.25 | TimRiker | ibot 920934 / 4745.517090 |
| 06:23.25 | | 194.063993983003 |
| 06:24.00 | TimRiker | average 194 bytes per second plus tcp/udp overhead. |
| 06:24.37 | TimRiker | ibot: ( 920934 + 21247 * 96) / 4745.517090 |
| 06:24.38 | | 623.882696837996 |
| 06:25.34 | jacques | is that a lot? |
| 06:25.40 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.07 | TimRiker | so times 10 players, that could be 10x or let's say 20x and we could get 12 k/s outgoing or 120 bits/second average. |
| 06:27.24 | TimRiker | ibot 21247 / 4745.517090 |
| 06:27.24 | | 4.47727815474 |
| 06:29.00 | TimRiker | 473 packets a second is much more that should ever be needed. |
| 06:29.28 | TimRiker | we should never really send more than 60 packets/second. |
| 06:35.27 | jacques | ooh you mean 473 to one client??? |
| 06:35.31 | jacques | that's insane |
| 06:36.01 | jacques | or maybe I am not understanding - is the same packet sent to all the clients? |
| 06:36.18 | Patlabor221 | I recall seeing a 30 packet a sec throttle thing in playing.cxx |
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| 06:42.50 | Patlabor221 | duko's map is like 2k when packed. |
| 06:42.59 | Patlabor221 | I'll bet he just has a bad link |
| 06:46.22 | TimRiker | jacques: nope, that was the max to one client. |
| 06:46.52 | jacques | seems... excessive |
| 06:46.59 | TimRiker | I'd say |
| 06:48.42 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: the 30/s is only for e6 or later clients |
| 06:49.04 | MrApathyCream | if we could just get peeps to upgrade..... |
| 06:49.26 | MrApathyCream | or maybe it's 60/s, i forget |
| 06:50.49 | TimRiker | we need to hold outgoing packets on the server for 1/60 sec or so and merge all the queued packets into fewer udp packets. |
| 06:51.00 | TimRiker | ie: select() should sleep for < 1/60th and then dump the queue. |
| 06:51.07 | TimRiker | and sleep for more if there are none queued of course. |
| 06:51.29 | TimRiker | on high load it might even be good to go to 1/30 or so. as packets would be sent immediately when the queue was > max packet size. |
| 06:51.45 | Patlabor221 | I saw 30 |
| 06:51.52 | TimRiker | I think it's 30/s |
| 06:52.01 | TimRiker | breaking the protocol will force upgrades. ;-) |
| 06:52.02 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm I also can't get Duko's "bug" to dupe |
| 06:52.04 | Patlabor221 | at all |
| 06:53.05 | TimRiker | http://www.homestarrunner.com/systemisdown.html |
| 06:53.22 | Patlabor221 | that is some funny stuff |
| 06:53.33 | Patlabor221 | swiss cake rolls :) |
| 06:53.55 | Patlabor221 | I want my error sound to be "the system is down Yo!" |
| 06:57.08 | jacques | lol makes me wish I had sound here at work |
| 06:58.51 | Patlabor221 | how can you not have sound? |
| 06:58.53 | Patlabor221 | how do you live? |
| 06:58.59 | MrApathyCream | i have no sound @ work |
| 06:59.08 | Patlabor221 | good lord |
| 06:59.35 | TimRiker | how do you watch your divx movies? er... I mean hear the system error messages? |
| 06:59.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 06:59.57 | Patlabor221 | or play music whilst you work |
| 07:00.15 | MrApathyCream | hah |
| 07:01.55 | Patlabor221 | I've hit damn near every TP in this map and it's working fine |
| 07:02.58 | Patlabor221 | I think I found out what he uses his cheat client for, just to get around his maps |
| 07:03.50 | Patlabor221 | oh Tim, I ran bz on my radeon 9700, wasn't that impresed. |
| 07:07.26 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: do you have another GM client to play with? |
| 07:07.34 | MrApathyCream | GeoM client... |
| 07:08.02 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 07:08.20 | Patlabor221 | updated the code but it looks the same since I didn't finish the model |
| 07:08.23 | MrApathyCream | was thinking, to low res missile could just be a long box (6 sides) |
| 07:08.38 | Patlabor221 | had t squeep out a bzedit releae today to fix a bad bug |
| 07:08.42 | MrApathyCream | still better than that silly fire ball |
| 07:08.49 | Patlabor221 | I have a plan for the low missle |
| 07:08.54 | Patlabor221 | will be REALY low |
| 07:08.54 | MrApathyCream | bosses cracking down on ya? |
| 07:09.01 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:09.28 | jacques | Patlabor221: interesting comment about radio 9700 |
| 07:09.34 | jacques | radeon |
| 07:09.45 | Patlabor221 | it's not realy faster then my GF4 |
| 07:09.49 | Patlabor221 | and I get artifacts |
| 07:09.52 | jacques | ugh |
| 07:10.02 | Patlabor221 | not for what BZ does |
| 07:10.13 | Patlabor221 | I know it's better hardware |
| 07:10.19 | Patlabor221 | but man do them drivers stink |
| 07:10.26 | jacques | heh clssic ati |
| 07:10.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:10.43 | Patlabor221 | I went to OLDER drivers |
| 07:10.46 | Patlabor221 | and got more speed |
| 07:11.11 | jacques | Patlabor221: heh |
| 07:13.47 | Patlabor221 | can only hope the 2 guys that they got doing drivers can figure it all out. |
| 07:15.42 | Patlabor221 | even with AA and anisotropic filterin on they run about the same |
| 07:15.52 | Patlabor221 | and the GF is in a sligtly slower system |
| 07:17.23 | Patlabor221 | myave it's better at shader stuff |
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| 07:51.32 | MrApathyCream | wow PatLabor continues to smoke everyone on the bzflag stats page |
| 07:52.57 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag seems to be sad at the moment: 5.2% lines contained sad faces. :( |
| 07:53.00 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 07:59.00 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: from http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz ? |
| 07:59.11 | MrApathyCream | ummm |
| 07:59.44 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:02.03 | MrApathyCream | Any luck with CLOSE_WAIT? |
| 08:02.27 | TimRiker | ahh. 4 day. http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz is daily. |
| 08:04.02 | TimRiker | I setup pisg to run on all the ibot channels and added a blootbot processing filter. |
| 08:04.20 | captain_proton | erf |
| 08:04.25 | captain_proton | whats this business of me going to bed early?: |
| 08:04.34 | MrApathyCream | would be nice if ibot log was folderized per month |
| 08:06.10 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: the nite is young |
| 08:17.18 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: I might do that... |
| 08:18.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 08:21.07 | MrApathyCream | So did we ever conclude whether the socket in CLOSE_WAIT was in addClient, or just pread? |
| 08:21.37 | MrApathyCream | should check |
| 08:21.37 | MrApathyCream | if (player[i].state >= PlayerInLimbo && FD_ISSET(player[i].fd, &read_set)) { |
| 08:21.38 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.38 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.38 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.47 | MrApathyCream | that pread returns > 0 |
| 08:21.54 | MrApathyCream | and torch it otherwise |
| 08:22.04 | MrApathyCream | -- but i still bet it's the addClient |
| 08:22.48 | TimRiker | I can't get it to happen. don't know what causes it. |
| 08:23.02 | MrApathyCream | really, i thought it happened relatively often? |
| 08:23.06 | TimRiker | xmission ran for days at > 10 users and I never saw it again. |
| 08:23.19 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 08:23.33 | MrApathyCream | wonder if chestal has latest cvs, and whether he sees it |
| 08:23.46 | MrApathyCream | any other cvs server ops, lurking here? |
| 08:24.19 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: so you never saw it very often? |
| 08:26.15 | TimRiker | saw it a few times the first day. rebuilt with newer cvs and then it went away. |
| 08:26.32 | TimRiker | I'm sure we did not fix it though. it just does not happen often. |
| 08:26.42 | MrApathyCream | hmm, i did make a tiny change, regarding filling up the fdset |
| 08:26.48 | MrApathyCream | but, yes, can't imagine that was it. |
| 08:26.55 | stibnite | hey MrApathyCream do you have a polish translation yet? |
| 08:27.03 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 08:27.06 | MrApathyCream | ~emulate BZFlag |
| 08:27.06 | | ACTION sits hacking on blootbot, bzflag, tuxscreen, eLinux, and many other projects and mutters "Patches Welcome!" |
| 08:27.23 | MrApathyCream | Polish would be nice |
| 08:28.19 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: I missed that change, what was it? |
| 08:28.25 | MrApathyCream | umm |
| 08:29.00 | MrApathyCream | looking... |
| 08:29.57 | MrApathyCream | Revision 1.85.2.141 --> jan 19 |
| 08:30.22 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.23 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.23 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.23 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.23 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.23 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.26 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.28 | MrApathyCream | bah |
| 08:31.17 | stibnite | got it. dy mrc |
| 08:31.21 | stibnite | erm |
| 08:31.21 | stibnite | mac |
| 08:31.55 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 08:32.05 | stibnite | jeez my typing |
| 08:32.16 | stibnite | (im in the dark because wife is angry and went to bed) |
| 08:32.29 | stibnite | that was supposed to be ty, MrApathyCream |
| 08:32.39 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:32.40 | MrApathyCream | thank you |
| 08:32.44 | stibnite | k, bedtime. :) |
| 08:32.48 | MrApathyCream | c you |
| 08:35.45 | MrApathyCream | welp, 3:30, and the coalmines are looming, so bed time |
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| 08:41.25 | *** topic/#bzflag is 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T || <Patlabor221> it's an imporbability drive |
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| 09:18.58 | bomber_ | moin |
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| 09:41.31 | scanline | What error message did I just log off with? |
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| 10:45.45 | TimRiker | <-- scanline has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
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| 11:01.24 | greg1 | ~list |
| 11:01.25 | | [list] a member variable of a class? |
| 11:01.54 | greg1 | wow :) |
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| 13:36.55 | Chestal | hi dmp |
| 13:43.04 | [dmp] | hi Chestal |
| 13:44.32 | [dmp] | didnt do much yesterday. Was sick :( . But I tried to make the list abit more "nice" (not design-wise). Not finished, but i think the arrows are cool :) http://bzflag.baat.dk/new/ |
| 13:55.16 | Chestal | ah, sad to hear that. Hope you're better today |
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| 13:56.50 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 13:56.59 | Chestal | dmp: these lists only use data from the respective day? |
| 13:57.36 | Chestal | hmm, thinkign again, it's probably all data |
| 13:57.39 | [dmp] | and back |
| 13:58.00 | Chestal | have you increased the threshold? I cannot find myself on the list anymore |
| 13:58.43 | [dmp] | http://bzflag.baat.dk this is one set of data, the /new (and ctf) is another. |
| 13:59.36 | MrApathyCream | tag |
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| 14:51.39 | fiberchunks | moin moin |
| 14:54.33 | sussudio | :-| |
| 14:54.33 | sussudio | ~piggy |
| 14:54.33 | | Piggy logs all you do... Look at bzflag.dontexist.org |
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| 15:24.47 | Cell | lo |
| 15:25.06 | bzdoug_ | ole |
| 15:26.01 | Cell | models welcome |
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| 16:25.43 | Cell | lo |
| 16:25.49 | bzdoug_ | ole |
| 16:37.26 | Chestal | I wonder why everybody at reosemeyers lags so much. Server is in the US I suppose? |
| 16:37.31 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 16:38.08 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 16:38.10 | bzdoug_ | dunno |
| 16:38.11 | Chestal | then either only non-Americans play there or they all use dialup or something |
| 16:38.18 | bzdoug_ | ~tracert bzflag.rosemeyers.net |
| 16:38.21 | Chestal | I am usualyl the one with the lowest lag there, whichdoesn't seem right |
| 16:38.26 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 16:38.56 | Chestal | I wonder how peopel can enjoy such laggy games |
| 16:39.09 | Chestal | or games at noodleroni or similar |
| 16:39.12 | bzdoug_ | maybe it seems laggy to you, but its fine for them |
| 16:39.35 | Chestal | no, msot have >300ms lag due to lagstats |
| 16:39.40 | Chestal | and some of them (only some) have bad jitter |
| 16:40.01 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 16:40.04 | bzgirl | rosemeyers is great for us NA players |
| 16:40.14 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 16:40.15 | bzgirl | even ski dosent lag there :) |
| 16:40.23 | Chestal | NA? |
| 16:40.30 | bzdoug_ | Not Avalible |
| 16:40.32 | bzgirl | north american |
| 16:40.34 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 16:40.38 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 16:40.45 | Chestal | then everybody who is on there must be from Asia or Europe |
| 16:40.57 | bzgirl | what now? |
| 16:41.03 | Chestal | 5 minutes ago |
| 16:41.07 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 16:41.22 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquery bzflag.rosemeyers.net:5155 |
| 16:41.25 | bzgirl | Chestal your team was very bad today :( |
| 16:41.42 | bzgirl | keizer is polish i think |
| 16:41.46 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 16:41.47 | Chestal | bzgirl: indeed. After an hour or so it gets tiresome |
| 16:42.02 | bzgirl | and Chickorata is european too |
| 16:42.43 | bzgirl | that current map is good though on ducati |
| 16:42.50 | bzgirl | good spot for flag |
| 16:43.12 | bzgirl | people get stuck and easy to shoot :) |
| 16:44.17 | Chestal | woah, I hate those tight spaces where I get stuck |
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| 16:45.02 | rooter | What would jesus do... |
| 16:45.08 | rooter | ...for a Klondike bar? |
| 16:45.22 | bzgirl | god knows |
| 16:45.26 | rooter | :) |
| 16:45.53 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
| 16:46.14 | bzdoug_ | hahaha |
| 16:46.21 | rooter | that sucked |
| 16:46.23 | bzdoug_ | americans |
| 16:46.28 | rooter | ibot ducatictf |
| 16:46.32 | bzdoug_ | ~kill |
| 16:46.33 | | ACTION kills all the morons |
| 16:46.33 | bzdoug_ | ~die |
| 16:46.33 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 16:46.52 | rooter | i would take offence to that... if it weren't true |
| 16:47.02 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 16:47.21 | bzdoug_ | west georga uni? |
| 16:47.30 | rooter | yep |
| 16:47.37 | bzdoug_ | kewl |
| 16:47.47 | bzdoug_ | where is that in georga? |
| 16:47.47 | rooter | a medium sized university just west of Atlanta |
| 16:47.50 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 16:47.59 | rooter | I work here |
| 16:48.00 | bzdoug_ | I was near there a few weeks ago |
| 16:48.08 | bzdoug_ | in downtown atlanta |
| 16:48.12 | rooter | ...well, play bzflag here... |
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| 16:48.15 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 16:48.21 | Cell | lo |
| 16:48.22 | rooter | coo' where did you go? |
| 16:48.44 | bzdoug_ | atlanta marble and granite co I think it was called |
| 16:49.02 | bzdoug_ | my dad got a big slab of granite |
| 16:49.07 | rooter | :) interesting. Never been there... |
| 16:49.11 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 16:49.18 | rooter | where do you live? |
| 16:49.23 | bzdoug_ | louisville |
| 16:49.24 | bzdoug_ | KY |
| 16:49.44 | rooter | cool! the first bz user that i've found in the South East US! |
| 16:49.45 | sussudio | the pigcapital of the world |
| 16:50.08 | bzdoug_ | hmm jzaun is in pennsylvania |
| 16:50.12 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 16:50.27 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: quack |
| 16:50.48 | bzdoug_ | rooter: hmm, I met someone down in tampa once |
| 16:51.08 | bzdoug_ | in bzflag, he had a server |
| 16:51.13 | sussudio | did it go "oink"? |
| 16:51.14 | bzdoug_ | but I dunno where he went |
| 16:51.18 | rooter | me too... she was great... until she talked |
| 16:51.22 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: /ignore sussudio all |
| 16:51.26 | bzdoug_ | rooter: hah |
| 16:51.45 | rooter | really... i thought about starting a ducati clone |
| 16:52.01 | sussudio | porkati |
| 16:52.15 | rooter | I've never had a lag time < 100 |
| 16:52.18 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: for your info, georga has more peaches than pigs |
| 16:52.21 | bzgirl | rooter there is one in florida rosemeyers |
| 16:52.25 | rooter | might be novel :) |
| 16:52.49 | rooter | cool, thanks |
| 16:52.55 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 16:53.19 | rooter | bzgirl: Ive tried that... it's usually empty |
| 16:53.38 | bzgirl | it gets alot of play in the evenings |
| 16:53.40 | rooter | well, i am off to class, then a meeting... then a beer |
| 16:53.50 | rooter | i'll have to log in at home some time |
| 16:53.54 | rooter | bye all |
| 16:53.57 | bzgirl | cu |
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| 16:55.16 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 16:56.40 | captain_pistachi | bzdoug_: you realize 'kewl' has been "out" for about 10 years? |
| 16:56.55 | sussudio | much like doug |
| 16:57.09 | captain_pistachi | its like disco music |
| 16:57.15 | captain_pistachi | just not worth it anymore |
| 16:57.52 | sussudio | -|- [02]_(KC_&_The_Sunshine_Band)_Get_Down_Tonight.mp3 (7,071,849 bytes 178kbps VBR Joint Stereo 5mins 18secs Genre:Disco Year:1988 Album:Disco Dance Classics Volume 3 |
| 17:02.45 | bzdoug_ | captain_pistachi: hmm |
| 17:02.46 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 17:22.38 | Cell | captain_pistachi: are you from greyscull? |
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| 17:25.54 | RvB | hi |
| 17:25.58 | bzdoug_ | HI! |
| 17:26.15 | bzdoug_ | who might you be? |
| 17:26.35 | bzdoug_ | I see |
| 17:28.12 | RvB | hm :) |
| 17:28.38 | bzdoug_ | heh, such a jolly fellow, very talkative |
| 17:28.42 | RvB | there's not a lot to answer for that question :) |
| 17:28.52 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 17:29.05 | bzdoug_ | :D |
| 17:29.39 | RvB | :) |
| 17:29.47 | bzdoug_ | :O |
| 17:30.10 | RvB | *G* |
| 17:30.28 | bzdoug_ | 8-O |
| 17:31.07 | RvB | hm, my mother just wondered why i am grinning at the monitor ... :> |
| 17:31.12 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:31.26 | bzdoug_ | 8-B |
| 17:35.23 | bzdoug_ | hmm, a linux loser, er, user |
| 17:37.38 | RvB | hm, well ... it's my choice :) |
| 17:37.49 | bzdoug_ | lol |
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| 17:38.39 | RvB | hmm ... linux is the only os i am actually using ... but i'm going to try out later releases of freebsd 5 |
| 17:38.49 | RvB | :) |
| 17:38.50 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 17:38.57 | bzdoug_ | no BeOS? |
| 17:39.01 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 17:39.12 | RvB | i've tried it :) |
| 17:39.40 | bzdoug_ | I never could get it to work with my video card or ethernet card |
| 17:39.57 | RvB | bzdoug_: this problem sounds familiar to me :) |
| 17:40.04 | RvB | i only get black and white colors :> |
| 17:40.05 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 17:40.22 | bzdoug_ | I got colors, but no 3d acceleration |
| 17:40.28 | RvB | heh :) |
| 17:41.50 | RvB | i've tried de 4.0 Linux version of beos with an S3Trio64V+ and i just was unable to make it coloured :) |
| 17:41.58 | RvB | s/de/the/ |
| 17:42.09 | bzdoug_ | ooooh, ick |
| 17:42.15 | bzdoug_ | I have 2 of those video cards |
| 17:42.29 | bzdoug_ | works in linux fine, but has absolutly no 3d accel at all |
| 17:42.37 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:42.38 | RvB | jup :) |
| 17:42.45 | bzdoug_ | wow, I like my ISP |
| 17:42.56 | bzdoug_ | saved myself from a virus |
| 17:43.04 | bzdoug_ | changed a .bat file to a ~bat file |
| 17:43.06 | proton-work | virus? whats that? |
| 17:43.20 | RvB | atm i have ab S3Virge in another computer and i just can't get it to work with xfree 4.2 ... screen stays black but it works fine with XF86_S3V |
| 17:43.34 | bzdoug_ | huh, wierd |
| 17:43.43 | bzdoug_ | I use a nvidea geforce 2 mx 400 |
| 17:43.45 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:43.48 | bzdoug_ | no problems there |
| 17:44.02 | RvB | yup ... i also have that in my "main" computer and it works :) |
| 17:44.18 | bzdoug_ | heh |
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| 18:06.37 | bzdoug_ | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 18:08.36 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 18:09.30 | RvB | hi :> |
| 18:13.02 | bzdoug_ | :> |
| 18:13.11 | bzdoug_ | interesting smily |
| 18:15.27 | RvB | why? :) |
| 18:23.26 | Patlabor221 | oh my "C++ Script" |
| 18:23.34 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E969AF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:23.58 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello :o) |
| 18:24.01 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 18:26.23 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
| 18:35.35 | rooter | bzdoug_: It's funny that you were putting down Linux and then a little later talked about a .bat virus :) |
| 18:35.53 | rooter | something Linux users don't have a problem with |
| 18:35.56 | Chestal | yes, Linux says, not even .bat viruses work as expected |
| 18:41.20 | Patlabor221 | doug dosn't realy use linux |
| 18:48.02 | Cell | lo im have implemented a kewl obj file loading method, that loads the content of the fiel to the Quad edge mesh data structure |
| 18:48.55 | Cell | using only one time going through the obj file, where else the Harvard guys need 2 passes, lol |
| 18:49.55 | Cell | => im the best |
| 18:50.18 | bzdoug_ | rooter: hah |
| 18:50.24 | bzdoug_ | rooter: and I DO use linux |
| 18:52.21 | Cell | <-----best |
| 18:52.41 | bzdoug_ | ~lart Cell |
| 18:53.51 | Cell | gadget |
| 18:54.35 | Cell | pistol pete |
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| 18:55.59 | Cell | hey i can serve with 200 kmh |
| 18:56.09 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 18:56.10 | RvB | re :) |
| 18:57.04 | Cell | or 124.274 mph |
| 18:57.16 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 18:57.30 | bzdoug_ | ~kill irssi |
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| 18:57.40 | Cell | bet no one of you could return my service |
| 18:57.56 | bzdoug_ | ~lart Cell |
| 18:58.09 | bzdoug_ | woo, louisville slugger! |
| 18:58.19 | Cell | lol |
| 18:59.21 | Cell | script? |
| 18:59.33 | Patlabor221 | that's what he calls it |
| 18:59.45 | Cell | ah |
| 19:00.07 | bzdoug_ | what forum? |
| 19:00.15 | Cell | should i make another tank model? |
| 19:00.33 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@aden2-242-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
| 19:00.39 | bzdoug_ | YO scanline!!! |
| 19:00.43 | Cell | that is conform to 6x3x2 |
| 19:00.57 | scanline | hi... |
| 19:01.04 | Cell | whatever that means |
| 19:01.41 | Cell | ~google cell decomposition |
| 19:02.01 | bzdoug_ | ~google for cell decomposition |
| 19:02.17 | Patlabor221 | doug don't do that crap here |
| 19:02.25 | Patlabor221 | at least MSG the bit |
| 19:02.27 | Patlabor221 | bot |
| 19:03.09 | Patlabor221 | don't help him |
| 19:03.10 | Cell | uh, i donno |
| 19:04.20 | Cell | http://www.imsc.ernet.in/~kapil/papers/topol/node3.html |
| 19:04.25 | bzdoug_ | DJIA is still falling |
| 19:04.44 | Cell | lol Nemax too |
| 19:04.58 | Cell | i lost 90% |
| 19:05.05 | Cell | in 2 years |
| 19:05.07 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:05.24 | bzdoug_ | invest in rydex funds... the market goes down... rydex goes up |
| 19:05.36 | Cell | whats rydex? |
| 19:05.47 | Patlabor221 | doug gonna put your $15 in there? |
| 19:05.50 | Cell | i invested in ariba and commerce one |
| 19:05.58 | Cell | was a failure |
| 19:06.50 | bzdoug_ | $1000 |
| 19:07.13 | Patlabor221 | if you had a grand you would blow it on crap |
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| 19:07.21 | Cell | bubble |
| 19:07.29 | bzdoug_ | I do have a grand |
| 19:07.49 | Patlabor221 | they why not buy a car? |
| 19:08.08 | bzdoug_ | its my grandfathers money, and he wants me to learn to do stocks and things |
| 19:08.25 | Patlabor221 | so you don't have a grand |
| 19:08.46 | bzdoug_ | I do for stocks |
| 19:08.47 | Patlabor221 | you have investment controll over a fund totaling $1000 |
| 19:09.30 | Cell | $1000 that much i would never invest all, at most 200$ |
| 19:10.04 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:10.11 | Cell | wuu |
| 19:10.19 | Patlabor221 | cell: hence your small time operation, and the living in the parents basement. |
| 19:10.44 | Cell | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.52 | Patlabor221 | look around |
| 19:11.06 | Cell | slow working perfoemance |
| 19:11.18 | bzdoug_ | cash it in and get yourself a house or a car or something |
| 19:11.49 | Patlabor221 | lack of capital to get the things you need to do the things you want, aka don't got's $20 for milkshape |
| 19:11.53 | *** part/#bzflag iluxa (~iluxa@12-234-207-60.client.attbi.com) |
| 19:11.53 | Cell | oh, im so poor |
| 19:12.08 | Patlabor221 | doug the plan is for a house at some point, and retirement stuff. |
| 19:12.08 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 19:12.16 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: ah..... |
| 19:12.19 | Patlabor221 | at least downpayment |
| 19:12.27 | bzdoug_ | indeed |
| 19:12.30 | bzdoug_ | in florida? |
| 19:12.30 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 19:12.42 | Cell | a flat 32 square meters cost 80k bucks, thats horrible |
| 19:12.44 | Patlabor221 | auto deductions from paycheck go in to the funds every week |
| 19:12.54 | Patlabor221 | no tech companys inflorida |
| 19:12.54 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 19:13.08 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:14.14 | Cell | someone here has more than 1 million bucks (and is still here)? |
| 19:14.14 | Patlabor221 | well so much for duco's bug, no dupe, and no reply. |
| 19:14.26 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 19:14.42 | Patlabor221 | I have over a million yen |
| 19:14.46 | Patlabor221 | does that count? |
| 19:14.54 | Cell | let me see |
| 19:15.05 | bzdoug_ | HAH |
| 19:15.09 | Cell | 1$ = 1000yen |
| 19:15.26 | bzdoug_ | ~ 1000000/1000 |
| 19:15.27 | | 1000 |
| 19:15.27 | sussudio | peeeeg |
| 19:15.34 | bzdoug_ | 1000 bucks in yen? |
| 19:15.48 | Cell | what you need that for? |
| 19:15.51 | Patlabor221 | well I have assets that could be liquidated to yen |
| 19:15.58 | Cell | was in japan? |
| 19:15.58 | Patlabor221 | they came from yen |
| 19:16.06 | Patlabor221 | at one point yes. |
| 19:16.11 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 19:16.20 | Patlabor221 | well the stuff was in japan, not I |
| 19:16.30 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:16.36 | Cell | k time to stuff |
| 19:16.46 | Patlabor221 | poor hampster |
| 19:16.47 | sussudio | $1 = 117.000 yen |
| 19:16.48 | Cell | the stuff |
| 19:17.07 | sussudio | one hundred seventeen thousand |
| 19:17.15 | Cell | oh, lol |
| 19:17.17 | sussudio | cellpig |
| 19:18.41 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 19:18.48 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 19:18.53 | Pinguin | heeee |
| 19:19.08 | Cell | hey sussudio do u watch it 2morrow on RTL? |
| 19:19.10 | sussudio | Pigguin |
| 19:19.18 | sussudio | german tv sux |
| 19:19.24 | Cell | DSDS |
| 19:19.37 | Cell | Deutschland sucht den Superstar |
| 19:19.38 | sussudio | they have like 5 people who dub everything in german |
| 19:19.54 | Cell | who is ur favorite? |
| 19:20.08 | sussudio | can i shoot them all? |
| 19:20.22 | Cell | http://deutschlandsuchtdensuperstar.rtl.de/ |
| 19:21.03 | Patlabor221 | arn't there laws abainstdoing that to hampserster? |
| 19:21.04 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 19:21.08 | bzdoug_ | a long URL |
| 19:21.34 | sussudio | hmm i installed kazaalite 2.02 and suddenly i have level 1000 supreme being |
| 19:21.35 | Patlabor221 | domain not UROL |
| 19:22.08 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: yea, me too, its so you can download anything you want without getting ignored cuz you dont have anything shared |
| 19:22.31 | Patlabor221 | doug you must like spyware then :) |
| 19:22.36 | Cell | cool Reiner Schüttler plays against AndreAgassi in the australian open final, great! |
| 19:22.39 | sussudio | lllllllittttttte |
| 19:22.40 | sussudio | no spyware |
| 19:22.43 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: not Kazaa lite |
| 19:22.53 | Patlabor221 | riiiiiighhht |
| 19:23.00 | greg1 | ~help |
| 19:23.13 | bzdoug_ | look for kazaa lite, it has no spyware |
| 19:23.19 | bzdoug_ | and no ads |
| 19:23.21 | Patlabor221 | doug how often does your browser crash? |
| 19:23.25 | Cell | really? |
| 19:23.30 | bzdoug_ | none |
| 19:23.34 | bzdoug_ | I use mozilla |
| 19:23.37 | Patlabor221 | are yoyu lying again? |
| 19:23.45 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 19:23.55 | Patlabor221 | ok so how often do your pages look like ass then? |
| 19:24.03 | bzdoug_ | hmm, none |
| 19:24.08 | sussudio | doug only browses pages with asses |
| 19:24.10 | bzdoug_ | they all look good for me |
| 19:24.25 | Patlabor221 | well yes your sence of taste is rather bad. |
| 19:24.26 | Cell | what asses? |
| 19:24.32 | bzdoug_ | ~lart everybody but bzdoug_ |
| 19:24.35 | rooter | mozilla crashes on me occationally |
| 19:24.35 | sussudio | mostly chicken and pig asses |
| 19:24.47 | bzdoug_ | rooter: I just installed it today... :) |
| 19:25.36 | rooter | bzdoug_: It is a good program... a little slow compared with others... even on a really fast machine |
| 19:25.48 | bzdoug_ | yea... but I like tabs |
| 19:25.51 | rooter | but it's not IE and that makes it great in my book |
| 19:25.55 | bzdoug_ | alot... |
| 19:25.56 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:26.01 | rooter | have you tried opera? |
| 19:26.02 | bzdoug_ | I thought you used linux |
| 19:26.10 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 19:26.13 | bzdoug_ | ads |
| 19:26.14 | bzdoug_ | I dont like ads |
| 19:26.32 | rooter | i use linux, solaris and widows (for photoshop) |
| 19:26.39 | rooter | i'm currently on a windows box |
| 19:26.49 | bzdoug_ | ahhh |
| 19:26.50 | bzdoug_ | I see |
| 19:26.57 | bzdoug_ | photoshop? |
| 19:26.57 | rooter | you don't have to have ads. It's a good browzer |
| 19:26.58 | Cell | lbh ner nyy gur ovttrfg ybbfref v rire fnj |
| 19:27.10 | bzdoug_ | ~rot13 lbh ner nyy gur ovttrfg ybbfref v rire fnj |
| 19:27.10 | | you are all the biggest loosers i ever saw |
| 19:27.10 | rooter | i know... gimp does everything... |
| 19:27.19 | Patlabor221 | GIMP blows |
| 19:27.21 | bzdoug_ | rooter: I use photoshop... |
| 19:27.28 | rooter | but it isn't as user friendly as photoshop |
| 19:27.38 | bzdoug_ | rooter: gimp doesnt have all the neato features like photoshop doe |
| 19:27.45 | Patlabor221 | worst interfeace in a imageing app I've ever seen |
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| 19:27.58 | Patlabor221 | bzdoug, yes GIMP does, it's just hidden |
| 19:28.04 | rooter | sure it does... if you can find the plug-in or filter then install it |
| 19:28.18 | Patlabor221 | then watch it crash on you as it loads a png. |
| 19:28.19 | bzdoug_ | I meant like ease of use |
| 19:28.30 | rooter | i use photoshop for work... and it integrates well with illustrator |
| 19:28.57 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:29.04 | RvB | like the program-manager in win3.11 |
| 19:29.10 | bzdoug_ | RvB: indeed, I like the mac version better |
| 19:29.17 | bzdoug_ | RvB: heh |
| 19:29.19 | Patlabor221 | no big window for PS on the mac :) |
| 19:29.24 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 19:29.30 | bzdoug_ | with dual monitors |
| 19:29.32 | RvB | :) |
| 19:29.45 | bzdoug_ | palletes on one monitor, and a huge monitor just for working |
| 19:29.48 | rooter | i am going to get a new apple PowerBook in a few months |
| 19:29.54 | bzdoug_ | 17 inch? |
| 19:30.02 | Patlabor221 | you can do that on the PC doug, that's a bad use of dualies |
| 19:30.06 | rooter | i use dual 21 inch moniters |
| 19:30.11 | bzdoug_ | ah, sweet |
| 19:30.24 | rooter | i use them to code on one side and see the results on the other |
| 19:30.29 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: bah, its perfect, and the PC has that photoshop background window... |
| 19:30.34 | bzdoug_ | rooter: hmm |
| 19:31.07 | Patlabor221 | doug, if you put all your images on one monitor what do you care about if it has a bg window then? |
| 19:31.11 | rooter | photoshop background window? |
| 19:31.19 | Patlabor221 | the gray parent window |
| 19:31.26 | rooter | aah |
| 19:31.29 | Patlabor221 | they went MDI |
| 19:31.34 | Patlabor221 | instead of multi win. |
| 19:31.46 | rooter | mac version doesn't have dockable windows?! |
| 19:32.05 | Patlabor221 | it does, it has a bar that ataches to the menu |
| 19:32.17 | Patlabor221 | just dosnt' have the encompasing parent |
| 19:32.22 | rooter | hmmm... but you can see the "desktop" around the windows |
| 19:32.24 | rooter | ? |
| 19:32.27 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:32.40 | Patlabor221 | sometimes its a bit anoying |
| 19:32.41 | RvB | i like gimp for not being MDI ... that's useless since most people have FvwmButtons (or similar things) anyways |
| 19:32.41 | rooter | i don't like that |
| 19:32.49 | RvB | like win taskbar or soemthing |
| 19:32.52 | rooter | it's like dreamweaver used to be |
| 19:33.10 | RvB | and your can spread windows over all desktops :) |
| 19:33.16 | Patlabor221 | I just maximise the window to fit both montiros and its fine |
| 19:34.08 | rooter | but what if you have things on your desktop... or a background image... those would be distracting |
| 19:34.43 | bzdoug_ | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=c&c=&k=c1&t=1y&s=ryuax&a=v&p=s&l=on&z=m&q=l&x=on&y=on&w=on |
| 19:34.43 | rooter | why would you put windows on different virtual desktops? |
| 19:35.17 | RvB | rooter: because i don't like having one desktop crouded with too many windows |
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| 19:35.28 | bzdoug_ | RvB: get dual monitors then |
| 19:35.33 | bzdoug_ | rooter: what do you work for? |
| 19:35.36 | rooter | RvB: interesting |
| 19:35.37 | RvB | bzdoug_: get me money then ;) |
| 19:35.42 | bzdoug_ | RvB: hah |
| 19:35.46 | Patlabor221 | doug what does opera have to do with ads? |
| 19:35.49 | rooter | bzdoug_: i am the webmaster for a medium sized university |
| 19:35.56 | bzdoug_ | rooter: ah, cool |
| 19:36.01 | rooter | shareware of opera has ads |
| 19:36.07 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: yup |
| 19:36.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | #-# |
| 19:36.16 | Patlabor221 | then buy it |
| 19:36.17 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: and since all other web browsers are fre... |
| 19:36.18 | rooter | bzdoug_: it's a fun job |
| 19:36.25 | bzdoug_ | rooter: heh |
| 19:36.31 | Patlabor221 | yes but the one you use is slow, and you broke your other one |
| 19:36.39 | bzdoug_ | SLOW? |
| 19:36.40 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 19:36.43 | bzdoug_ | fast enuf for me |
| 19:36.58 | Patlabor221 | sure if you want to settle for less |
| 19:37.15 | Patlabor221 | Galleon roxors |
| 19:37.33 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:37.42 | bzdoug_ | I like lynx the best |
| 19:37.45 | bzdoug_ | its fastest |
| 19:37.46 | rooter | lol |
| 19:38.35 | rooter | i use lynx all the time... it helps in seeing if your site is accesible |
| 19:38.41 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:39.00 | bzdoug_ | or if your stuck on a old linux box |
| 19:39.00 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 19:39.15 | Patlabor221 | I've had 486's running X |
| 19:39.21 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 19:39.26 | bzdoug_ | very slowly |
| 19:39.33 | rooter | yeah... and you play bzflag on it :) |
| 19:39.37 | RvB | but good to use as an xterminal : |
| 19:39.42 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:39.59 | bzdoug_ | it is, but then why run lynx on it? |
| 19:40.02 | Patlabor221 | sure, I put a GF 2 in it |
| 19:40.13 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:40.19 | Patlabor221 | then I installed windows XP |
| 19:40.23 | bzdoug_ | baka |
| 19:40.27 | bzdoug_ | on a 486? |
| 19:40.27 | RvB | Patlabor221: yeah ... you solder an AGP slot onto its board ;) |
| 19:40.28 | Patlabor221 | it worked |
| 19:40.30 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:40.35 | Patlabor221 | no PCI GF2 |
| 19:40.40 | Patlabor221 | still got a couple of those |
| 19:40.44 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 19:41.08 | Patlabor221 | they make PCI 2's 2MX's and 4MX's |
| 19:41.14 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:41.14 | Patlabor221 | and 1's too |
| 19:41.21 | bzdoug_ | 1s? |
| 19:41.32 | bzdoug_ | never heard of a geforce 1 |
| 19:41.34 | Patlabor221 | the origonal GeForce |
| 19:41.36 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:42.02 | Patlabor221 | proallby before your time. |
| 19:42.47 | rooter | my main machine has a GeForce2 Pro... it's not bad |
| 19:43.17 | rooter | i'm looking forward to getting my powerbook g4 :) |
| 19:43.26 | rooter | i want one of those too! |
| 19:43.58 | rooter | we have a 51 inch plasma screen in our conference room |
| 19:44.21 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:44.24 | rooter | make that 50 inch |
| 19:44.34 | rooter | http://www.westga.edu/~madison/gallery/bzflag50 |
| 19:44.35 | bzdoug_ | rooter: playing bzflag on it |
| 19:44.37 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 19:44.40 | rooter | yup |
| 19:44.49 | bzdoug_ | yup yup |
| 19:45.00 | rooter | it's not easy because you have to move your head too much |
| 19:45.11 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:45.22 | bzdoug_ | I want a surround monitor system |
| 19:45.25 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 19:45.43 | bzdoug_ | just LOOK behind you, no need to turn the tank |
| 19:45.47 | RvB | -1 score :> |
| 19:45.51 | Patlabor221 | I think you get a life and a clue first |
| 19:45.56 | rooter | i want bill gates office... we don't always get what we want |
| 19:46.11 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:47.26 | rooter | i just want heaven and hell |
| 19:47.34 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:48.07 | rooter | well, back to work... |
| 19:48.10 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:48.16 | bzdoug_ | working at playing bzflag |
| 19:48.27 | greg1 | ~serverlist |
| 19:48.34 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 19:48.52 | greg1 | thx bzdoug_ :) |
| 19:48.57 | bzdoug_ | :) |
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| 19:49.28 | greg1 | I tryed ducati.bzflag.org and I am alone on a server... |
| 19:49.32 | bzdoug_ | BeZee!!!!! How are you doing!! |
| 19:49.37 | bzdoug_ | greg1: heh |
| 19:49.41 | BeZee | hello |
| 19:49.46 | greg1 | why theses servers are not reported on the server list ? |
| 19:49.47 | bzdoug_ | ~ducutictf |
| 19:49.56 | greg1 | Hi BeZee |
| 19:50.00 | bzdoug_ | greg1: they should be |
| 19:50.08 | greg1 | oh |
| 19:50.19 | Patlabor221 | only servers that are public show on the list, how many do you see on your list? |
| 19:50.26 | greg1 | aaaah |
| 19:50.54 | bzdoug_ | ~wouldnt you like to play a nicer game of chess? |
| 19:50.55 | greg1 | as I tryed to ducati.bzflag.org on 5155 it may be a priveete server. |
| 19:51.02 | greg1 | ah ah :) |
| 19:51.10 | bzdoug_ | hmm, 5155 isnt a private server |
| 19:51.14 | bzdoug_ | its plain ducati |
| 19:51.16 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~guestuser@bgp01383177bgs.montbl01.nm.comcast.net) |
| 19:51.20 | bzdoug_ | I think |
| 19:51.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin all |
| 19:51.28 | bzdoug_ | sn0w_m0nkey! snowing? |
| 19:51.31 | greg1 | re Hi snow :) |
| 19:51.33 | bzdoug_ | afternoon |
| 19:51.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | no...snow is melting :( |
| 19:51.40 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:51.40 | *** join/#bzflag FantaZee (~trillian@p508F26B4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:51.41 | greg1 | yes, I see it |
| 19:51.42 | Patlabor221 | greg how many are on your server list? |
| 19:51.43 | bzdoug_ | FantaZee!!! |
| 19:51.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | chestal are you here? |
| 19:51.51 | BeZee | n hi fanta |
| 19:51.55 | bzdoug_ | is there a game? |
| 19:51.58 | FantaZee | hihi |
| 19:52.01 | greg1 | Patlabor221.... heuuuuuu |
| 19:52.05 | bzdoug_ | BeZee sn0w_m0nkey and FantaZee connected |
| 19:52.12 | bzdoug_ | must be a game |
| 19:52.15 | sn0w_m0nkey | we were playing just now |
| 19:52.18 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:52.18 | FantaZee | no |
| 19:52.19 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 19:52.22 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 19:52.23 | bzdoug_ | hi |
| 19:52.24 | [TeA|TrEE] | icq |
| 19:52.26 | bzdoug_ | ho |
| 19:52.26 | [TeA|TrEE] | plz |
| 19:52.28 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;) |
| 19:52.29 | bzdoug_ | who? |
| 19:52.29 | greg1 | Patlabor221 : 33 servers |
| 19:52.30 | *** part/#bzflag FantaZee (~trillian@p508F26B4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:52.36 | [TeA|TrEE] | if somewone wants to talk to me |
| 19:52.37 | Patlabor221 | that's about right then. |
| 19:52.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | ore query |
| 19:52.43 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:52.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;-) |
| 19:52.46 | *** join/#bzflag FantaZee (~trillian@p508F26B4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:52.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | taaaaaaaad |
| 19:52.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | but i wanted to know if anyone noticed lag problems recently with ducati |
| 19:52.52 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 19:53.12 | greg1 | snow : yes yes yes |
| 19:53.13 | bzdoug_ | sn0w_m0nkey: it allways has lag, its on the other side of the planet, what would you expect? |
| 19:53.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | because i see lagstats reported nice and low |
| 19:53.26 | FantaZee | i talked with others, they have the same probs |
| 19:53.32 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 19:53.33 | FantaZee | since 2-3 weeks |
| 19:53.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | but yet all tanks seem to behave like they have 250ms lag |
| 19:53.38 | bzdoug_ | maybe its Chestal |
| 19:54.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | its bizarre, and alot of people have said they noticed this as fantazee says |
| 19:54.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | in the same time frame |
| 19:54.30 | bzdoug_ | maybe its becuase its on fire? |
| 19:54.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | its like collision detection is error prone now |
| 19:54.46 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:54.54 | greg1 | what kind of traffic a bz server like ducati have ? |
| 19:55.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | constant traffic |
| 19:55.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | low player numbers |
| 19:55.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | 8 max |
| 19:55.14 | FantaZee | i found ches |
| 19:55.18 | [TeA|TrEE] | have a nice meal tad |
| 19:55.21 | greg1 | less than 15Ko/s ? |
| 19:55.22 | Chestal | what's up? |
| 19:55.25 | bzdoug_ | the sky |
| 19:55.26 | BeZee | +3observers |
| 19:55.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | +5 oberver |
| 19:55.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | s |
| 19:55.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | see my prior words ches |
| 19:55.54 | Chestal | hmm |
| 19:56.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | this morning i played bzgirl and bamf, both lagstats showed 170 |
| 19:56.21 | Chestal | which port? |
| 19:56.25 | bzdoug_ | woo, I have 5 moderator points |
| 19:56.27 | greg1 | 5156 |
| 19:56.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | but if i knew any better, the tanks had about 250 or more lag |
| 19:56.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | atleast 200 ms |
| 19:56.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | but lagstats said less |
| 19:57.03 | Chestal | well, I noticed that in general and at all times |
| 19:57.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | and i am not alone in noticing this behavior |
| 19:57.15 | Chestal | the only thign that has changed on ducati are server versions |
| 19:57.16 | FantaZee | maybe the new version ? |
| 19:57.20 | Chestal | righ tnow 5155, 5156 and 59999 run differernt versions |
| 19:57.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | is there some additional bullet checking? |
| 19:57.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | collsion detection? |
| 19:57.49 | Chestal | on 5155 and 5156 there are soem additional checks on the server, yes |
| 19:58.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | how long since implmented? |
| 19:58.06 | Chestal | some bullets might be dropped |
| 19:58.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | 2-3 weeks now? |
| 19:58.13 | Chestal | but I'm logging ths, maybe 2 bullet drops in 2 days |
| 19:58.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | do these new versions change collsion detections? |
| 19:58.37 | Chestal | AFAIR I updated 5156 only recently |
| 19:58.43 | Chestal | because those checks were not reliable before |
| 19:58.50 | Chestal | what kidn of collision detections? |
| 19:58.55 | Chestal | server does no such thing anyway |
| 19:59.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | just seems to be alot missed shots...ie laggy |
| 19:59.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | is how it feels |
| 19:59.17 | FantaZee | me too |
| 19:59.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | but stats keep saying all is well |
| 19:59.21 | Chestal | hm, I haven't noticed anything special |
| 19:59.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | your tank blows up fine however ches |
| 19:59.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | :) |
| 19:59.39 | Chestal | sn0w_m0nkey: I noticed that :-) |
| 19:59.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | but others really seem more lagged than stats show |
| 19:59.58 | Chestal | well, 2 tanks with 200ms each should be noticeable |
| 20:00.15 | Chestal | when I play on a diffeernt server where I have a ltency of about 160ms I notice the difference to ducati |
| 20:00.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | i sort of base my shots based on stats |
| 20:00.39 | Chestal | some player seem more laggy given the same lagstats as others |
| 20:00.39 | FantaZee | but there is something wrong |
| 20:00.52 | Chestal | don't know why, or maybe it#s just that those are reactign faster |
| 20:00.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | its just "feels" like there is some lag or something going on |
| 20:01.01 | Chestal | Mirella for exampel is such a case |
| 20:01.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | low lag number |
| 20:01.22 | *** part/#bzflag RvB (~rvb@pD9E2B020.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:01.24 | Chestal | difficult to track down based on feelings |
| 20:01.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | laggy tank |
| 20:01.30 | Chestal | I could fire up an older version |
| 20:01.41 | FantaZee | try it |
| 20:01.51 | Chestal | but for that to be useful you would have to reliably say whether it's good or bad |
| 20:02.26 | Chestal | the version that's now running on 5156 is brand new, started it today, 5155 is slightly older ad 59999 is a lot older |
| 20:02.28 | BeZee | install the older version to 5155 |
| 20:02.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | maybe when a tank get over say, 170 then the lag effect us mroe noticable... |
| 20:02.35 | BeZee | oops |
| 20:02.36 | *** part/#bzflag FantaZee (~trillian@p508F26B4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:02.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | ? |
| 20:02.40 | Chestal | so when 59999 shows the same behaviour, it's not the server version |
| 20:02.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | whats going on? |
| 20:02.58 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
| 20:03.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | 59999 had that affect for me this morning |
| 20:03.05 | BeZee | all servers shows g1 |
| 20:03.07 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:03.13 | *** join/#bzflag FantaZee (~trillian@p508F26B4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:03.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmm? |
| 20:03.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | both bzg and bamf were laggy on my radar... |
| 20:03.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | but stats were fine |
| 20:03.38 | [TeA|TrEE] | FantaZee: Hast auch trillian :o) |
| 20:03.43 | Chestal | who is this Zaboo guy btw.? |
| 20:03.48 | FantaZee | urgs ;-) |
| 20:04.17 | FantaZee | could be m1 |
| 20:04.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | naa |
| 20:05.12 | [TeA|TrEE] | 734|7r33 |
| 20:05.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | its me |
| 20:05.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | :p |
| 20:05.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;o) sure |
| 20:05.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | M0NSTER |
| 20:05.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehehe |
| 20:05.30 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 20:05.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | :oP |
| 20:05.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | or D-L0C maybe? |
| 20:05.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | he is mean |
| 20:05.52 | FantaZee | you played at the same time with zaboo |
| 20:05.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehehe |
| 20:06.05 | bzdoug_ | taboo |
| 20:06.15 | Chestal | hmm, 5156 is difficult to restart |
| 20:06.20 | FantaZee | one mouse on the rifght and one on the left ? |
| 20:06.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | zaboo is the talking lemur on a show |
| 20:06.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | zaboobafu |
| 20:06.46 | Piggy | zaboopig |
| 20:06.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 20:06.57 | bzdoug_ | yahoo |
| 20:07.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | lemur, pigs |
| 20:07.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | all the same |
| 20:07.18 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 20:07.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | except for that 2 percent DNA expression |
| 20:07.22 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 20:07.28 | bzdoug_ | and the smell |
| 20:07.31 | bzdoug_ | sussudio would know |
| 20:07.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | taste maybe |
| 20:07.40 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 20:07.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | ok i am hungry |
| 20:07.43 | bzdoug_ | and shape |
| 20:07.45 | bzdoug_ | and color |
| 20:07.53 | bzdoug_ | my dad is making stir fry |
| 20:07.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | dad? |
| 20:08.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | how old are you? |
| 20:08.16 | bzdoug_ | 15 |
| 20:08.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | i thought your like 50 |
| 20:08.17 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 20:08.20 | bzdoug_ | HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAA |
| 20:08.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe j/k |
| 20:08.38 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 20:08.46 | bzdoug_ | how old are you? |
| 20:09.00 | Chestal | ok, fired up 5155 and 5156 both as CTF now |
| 20:09.07 | Chestal | but running different server versions |
| 20:09.10 | greg1 | coool :) |
| 20:09.14 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 20:09.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | 33 here |
| 20:09.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | tnx ches |
| 20:09.36 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:09.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | i check it out |
| 20:09.56 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: need to run a bz:0 server too |
| 20:09.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | besides...your ctf is so popular |
| 20:09.59 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: :) |
| 20:10.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | 2 is needed |
| 20:10.07 | greg1 | that's riht |
| 20:10.17 | greg1 | one for the pros |
| 20:10.25 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 20:10.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | i go to newbie server |
| 20:10.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | i need the better stats |
| 20:10.34 | greg1 | waith for me :) |
| 20:10.39 | bzdoug_ | to slaughter the poor newbies |
| 20:10.40 | Chestal | btw., there'll be some maintenance performed on a router here tomorrow, so theeere mgiht be downtimes |
| 20:10.54 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: you have BZ:0? |
| 20:11.04 | Chestal | no |
| 20:11.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | i will be going big airs tomorrow on the half pipe |
| 20:11.16 | bzdoug_ | sn0w_m0nkey: hah |
| 20:11.27 | bzdoug_ | sn0w_m0nkey: can you host a server too? |
| 20:11.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | ok i'm learning big airs:) |
| 20:11.41 | bzdoug_ | sn0w_m0nkey: I thought you did at one time |
| 20:11.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | i can./..but my netowkr sucks anymore |
| 20:11.52 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:11.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | they switched it to novell |
| 20:12.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | from unix |
| 20:12.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | can you believe that? |
| 20:12.12 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 20:12.13 | greg1 | ?? |
| 20:12.14 | bzdoug_ | thats good |
| 20:12.18 | bzdoug_ | er |
| 20:12.19 | bzdoug_ | bad |
| 20:12.20 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 20:12.24 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am still mad at our puter people |
| 20:12.28 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 20:12.30 | bzdoug_ | novell? |
| 20:12.32 | bzdoug_ | what for |
| 20:12.32 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 20:12.38 | bzdoug_ | windows would be better than novell |
| 20:12.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah...MS based |
| 20:12.43 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:12.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | Nt servers now |
| 20:12.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | or whatever they run |
| 20:12.57 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 20:13.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | click and point type |
| 20:13.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | ciao |
| 20:13.21 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 20:13.22 | bzdoug_ | cya |
| 20:13.23 | bzdoug_ | bye |
| 20:19.32 | Piggy | it's a nice day for a....... |
| 20:19.41 | Piggy | WHITE WEDDING |
| 20:19.50 | bzdoug_ | bot spam |
| 20:20.15 | Piggy | ~sud |
| 20:20.16 | | shut up doug |
| 20:20.41 | bzdoug_ | ~quack |
| 20:26.21 | greg1 | what's up ? I am alone on ducati ?!?! |
| 20:26.36 | scanline | nobody likes you |
| 20:26.44 | greg1 | yeah, it looks like |
| 20:27.18 | sussudio | yeah you suck greg1 |
| 20:27.20 | greg1 | the gameplay is not huge enough for my smell |
| 20:27.32 | greg1 | playes cant escape... |
| 20:27.44 | Piggy | gregpiiiig |
| 20:27.54 | greg1 | ah ah |
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| 20:50.44 | *** join/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-1-87.stny.rr.com) |
| 20:50.54 | calico | howdy |
| 20:51.02 | bzdoug_ | ho |
| 20:56.00 | *** join/#bzflag soulreaver (~d4cb2068@203.194.240.139) |
| 20:56.15 | bzdoug_ | soulreaver! |
| 20:56.19 | bzdoug_ | ~seen soulreaver |
| 20:56.19 | | i haven't seen 'soulreaver', bzdoug_ |
| 20:56.30 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 20:56.37 | Piggy | pigreaver |
| 20:57.54 | *** part/#bzflag FantaZee (~trillian@p508F26B4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
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| 21:02.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:03.50 | bzdoug_ | oooh |
| 21:03.52 | bzdoug_ | stolen? |
| 21:03.59 | bzdoug_ | hwy did you take scanline's ibook? |
| 21:04.00 | *** join/#bzflag scan[ibook] (~micah@stad235-155-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
| 21:04.09 | prot-stolenibook | scanline's ibook is right next to this one |
| 21:04.12 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 21:04.15 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 21:04.16 | bzdoug_ | whos ibook then? |
| 21:04.16 | scan[ibook] | nice nick |
| 21:04.41 | prot-stolenibook | bzdoug_: don't you wish you knew |
| 21:04.52 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 21:04.55 | bzdoug_ | I would tell him |
| 21:05.03 | bzdoug_ | and he would sue, and then I would get the money |
| 21:09.11 | fiberchunks | did you all see the bzflag on a 50" plasma links? |
| 21:09.30 | bzdoug_ | yah |
| 21:09.52 | prot-stolenibook | bzflag on a 50" plasma isn't really that exciting |
| 21:09.59 | fiberchunks | it is for me |
| 21:10.00 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.17 | bzdoug_ | ANYTHING on a 50 inch plasma would be exiting |
| 21:10.29 | fiberchunks | ghod, I actually agree with you doug |
| 21:10.47 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:11.55 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 21:11.58 | bzdoug_ | not very high |
| 21:12.29 | prot-stolenibook | fiberchunks: usually just standard NTSC/PAL - at most, 600 scan lines |
| 21:12.32 | scan[ibook] | bzflag on an icosahedron built with stereo plasma screens in the shape of an equilateral triangle 6' on a side- now THAT would be impressive |
| 21:12.53 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 21:13.01 | fiberchunks | really, that's all? |
| 21:13.02 | bzdoug_ | scan[ibook]: say that again? |
| 21:13.02 | prot-stolenibook | as i stared down at him from atop an isoceles triangle... |
| 21:13.15 | scan[ibook] | bzflag on an icosahedron built with stereo plasma screens in the shape of an equilateral triangle 6' on a side- now THAT would be impressive |
| 21:13.16 | bzdoug_ | prot-stolenibook: hahaha |
| 21:13.27 | bzdoug_ | scan[ibook]: yes.... :) |
| 21:15.02 | scan[ibook] | prot-stolenibook: you should get that ibook equipped with a triple-boot or something |
| 21:15.11 | scan[ibook] | linux, BSD, and OS X.. or something |
| 21:15.16 | prot-stolenibook | or something |
| 21:15.17 | bzdoug_ | and windows |
| 21:15.22 | scan[ibook] | ~sud |
| 21:15.24 | | shut up doug |
| 21:15.40 | bzdoug_ | prot-stolenibook: how much? |
| 21:15.50 | prot-stolenibook | bzdoug_: i'll give you 3 guesses |
| 21:15.57 | scan[ibook] | ARGH |
| 21:16.00 | bzdoug_ | not very much? |
| 21:16.04 | bzdoug_ | sorta |
| 21:16.05 | *** join/#bzflag soulreaver (~d4cb2068@203.194.240.139) |
| 21:16.10 | bzdoug_ | or very much |
| 21:16.12 | scan[ibook] | our professor just said "you'll have to take my word for it" when describing newton's first law |
| 21:16.20 | bzdoug_ | hahhaaha |
| 21:16.20 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:16.21 | prot-stolenibook | :) |
| 21:16.23 | soulreaver | hi all |
| 21:16.31 | bzdoug_ | HII!!! |
| 21:16.36 | prot-stolenibook | and now he just took out the person signing for the deaf student |
| 21:16.43 | bzdoug_ | soulreaver: hi |
| 21:16.47 | scan[ibook] | agressive old main, isn't he! |
| 21:16.51 | bzdoug_ | scan[ibook]: lol |
| 21:17.15 | prot-stolenibook | scan[ibook]: we're a couple of bad apples here in the back :) |
| 21:17.21 | scan[ibook] | indeed |
| 21:17.31 | prot-stolenibook | and the sun is shining on his chin |
| 21:17.39 | scan[ibook] | This would be so much better if he just showed us some Bill Nye videos |
| 21:17.45 | bzdoug_ | LOL |
| 21:17.56 | scan[ibook] | he always had the coolest demos |
| 21:18.02 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 21:18.02 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214) |
| 21:18.06 | prot-stolenibook | that could be a song..."the sun is shiiiiining on my chin...." |
| 21:18.09 | bzdoug_ | 'lo Patlabor221!!! |
| 21:18.12 | scan[ibook] | a scary son |
| 21:18.14 | scan[ibook] | s/son/song/ |
| 21:18.29 | Patlabor221 | you stole an book? |
| 21:18.30 | bzdoug_ | prot-stolenibook: hes got more chins than a hong kong phone book |
| 21:18.37 | bzdoug_ | an book? |
| 21:18.45 | scan[ibook] | an halibut! |
| 21:19.01 | bzdoug_ | can you tuna fish? |
| 21:19.12 | scan[ibook] | ~dougsmack |
| 21:19.20 | prot-stolenibook | Patlabor221: i did |
| 21:19.22 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:21.16 | bzdoug_ | cheeshiest? |
| 21:21.26 | Patlabor221 | jes |
| 21:21.45 | prot-stolenibook | we're going to have a cheesy movie party tonight |
| 21:21.46 | bzdoug_ | cow puss movie? |
| 21:21.48 | prot-stolenibook | with "the party" |
| 21:21.57 | scan[ibook] | Happy Friday! |
| 21:22.03 | Patlabor221 | Big Trouble in Little China |
| 21:22.28 | prot-stolenibook | big celebration! |
| 21:22.32 | Chestal | that movie is cool, I liked it when I was lie 40 years younger |
| 21:22.38 | *** part/#bzflag greg1 (~admin@greghub.net1.nerim.net) |
| 21:22.39 | fiberchunks | oooo, that the one with the 3 chinese dudes? |
| 21:22.45 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:22.51 | fiberchunks | heh good flick |
| 21:23.04 | Chestal | Kurt Russell is cool always :-) |
| 21:23.26 | fiberchunks | what was it: tornado, lightning, and ?? |
| 21:23.28 | fiberchunks | fire? |
| 21:23.39 | Chestal | Carpenter+Russell did better movies, though |
| 21:23.43 | Patlabor221 | thunder |
| 21:24.20 | fiberchunks | Raiden's prototype was taken from that movie, methinks |
| 21:24.23 | prot-stolenibook | odd how the IP addresses on the wireless network here are assigned as "stadium" |
| 21:25.16 | scan[ibook] | haha |
| 21:25.57 | prot-stolenibook | our professor is in #elinux? |
| 21:26.57 | scan[ibook] | I hope not |
| 21:27.12 | Patlabor221 | the professor form gilligans island? |
| 21:27.27 | fiberchunks | where are the coconuts |
| 21:30.36 | prot-stolenibook | scan[ibook] is getting so much email done its scary |
| 21:31.45 | prot-stolenibook | one side is BOTH THE SAME |
| 21:31.51 | scan[ibook] | prot-stolenibook: trying to get to the bottom of this Royal PDA issue |
| 21:35.38 | scan[ibook] | hmm |
| 21:35.43 | scan[ibook] | apache2's mod_ssl decided to break |
| 21:37.03 | prot-stolenibook | wow |
| 21:37.18 | scan[ibook] | or not.. forgot I can't get a direct route to navi from here |
| 21:37.36 | prot-stolenibook | when dragging a window osx uses 100% CPU |
| 21:37.48 | scan[ibook] | when moving your mouse it uses 100% CPU, what's your point? |
| 21:38.36 | scan[ibook] | mmm.. coffee... |
| 21:40.10 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 21:40.41 | prot-stolenibook | i like how many photocopies of the textbook he shows us |
| 21:40.58 | scan[ibook] | I opened the textbook for the first time today... such stylish design |
| 21:43.03 | prot-stolenibook | "get up tomorrow morning" - who does he think he's talking to? |
| 21:43.09 | prot-stolenibook | le chapeau beuf! |
| 21:43.10 | scan[ibook] | haha |
| 21:43.22 | scan[ibook] | ~x fr en omelet du fromage |
| 21:43.28 | scan[ibook] | yay! |
| 21:43.44 | scan[ibook] | ~x en fr cheese omelet |
| 21:43.55 | scan[ibook] | oh no! |
| 21:43.58 | prot-stolenibook | ~x fr en le chapeau beuf |
| 21:44.00 | scan[ibook] | I can't spell in french! |
| 21:44.07 | prot-stolenibook | gr |
| 21:44.16 | prot-stolenibook | ~x fr en buef |
| 21:44.31 | prot-stolenibook | how come ibot doesn't know the french word for "beef" ? |
| 21:44.50 | sussudio | le m00 |
| 21:44.57 | sussudio | ~x en fr beef |
| 21:45.13 | TimRiker | cause it's misspelled? |
| 21:45.17 | prot-stolenibook | could be! |
| 21:45.28 | prot-stolenibook | ~x fr en le chapeau boeuf |
| 21:45.35 | prot-stolenibook | what? |
| 21:45.45 | scan[ibook] | eep |
| 21:46.25 | prot-stolenibook | wow...class goes much quicker when sitting in front of a stolen ibook |
| 21:46.30 | scan[ibook] | indeedy |
| 21:46.33 | sussudio | ~x fr en battez la viande |
| 21:46.40 | scan[ibook] | you looked quite bored when Johnny Pineapple was here |
| 21:47.01 | scan[ibook] | ~x fr en egads, they're all made of meat! |
| 21:47.09 | scan[ibook] | oops |
| 21:47.13 | scan[ibook] | ~x en fr egads, they're all made of meat! |
| 21:58.12 | *** join/#bzflag scan[ibook] (~micah@ec237-29-dhcp.Colorado.EDU) |
| 22:01.25 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~booble@pD9E50975.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:03.39 | Cell | Jub haebgf guvf grkg svefg unf n fznyy cravf! |
| 22:04.22 | Cell | lo |
| 22:04.24 | bzdoug_ | ~rot13 Jub haebgf guvf grkg svefg unf n fznyy cravf! |
| 22:04.24 | | Who unrots this text first has a small penis! |
| 22:04.31 | bzdoug_ | aaaah |
| 22:04.37 | Cell | lol |
| 22:05.06 | bzdoug_ | Cell: mind if I put a subseven trojen horse on your computer? |
| 22:05.39 | Cell | oh i know what it does, and what registry entries it sets |
| 22:05.44 | Cell | i tested it |
| 22:05.44 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 22:05.46 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 22:05.57 | Cell | so i can remove it |
| 22:06.08 | bzdoug_ | I can change the registry entries |
| 22:06.25 | Cell | oh kewl |
| 22:06.28 | Cell | but |
| 22:06.39 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 22:06.41 | Cell | i have a trojan mirror |
| 22:07.39 | Cell | and my pc is behind a router |
| 22:07.40 | Cell | with no meaningfull ip on the internet |
| 22:07.43 | Cell | so you dont get me |
| 22:07.50 | bzdoug_ | humph |
| 22:07.54 | Cell | only the router |
| 22:08.03 | Cell | true |
| 22:08.07 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 22:08.13 | scan[ibook] | script kiddies! |
| 22:08.22 | Patlabor221 | a trojan mirror, so if I can't get trojans form the normal place I can get them from you? |
| 22:08.33 | Cell | righty |
| 22:08.36 | bzdoug_ | HHAHAHA |
| 22:08.42 | bzdoug_ | Cell: where? |
| 22:08.56 | scan[ibook] | Patlabor221: no, it's a mirror that you send into your enemy's castle and your army pours out |
| 22:08.57 | Patlabor221 | wow duco dosn't even know how to use his IDE. |
| 22:09.15 | bzdoug_ | USE his IDE? |
| 22:09.16 | Patlabor221 | oooooooooooohhhh I think they had that on the Harry poter movie. |
| 22:09.18 | Cell | bzdoug_:what do u mean Where? |
| 22:09.33 | bzdoug_ | Cell: :P where is this mirror? :P |
| 22:09.44 | Patlabor221 | or maybe they are highly reflective condoms |
| 22:10.02 | Cell | lol, the mirror is on your machina |
| 22:10.14 | Patlabor221 | his deus ex machina? |
| 22:10.15 | *** join/#bzflag Vriginia (~vladimir@gimme.viagra.im.bob.dole.and.im.allaboutuptime.net) |
| 22:10.23 | Cell | exactly |
| 22:10.32 | bzdoug_ | Vriginia!!!! yo! |
| 22:10.46 | Vriginia | yo |
| 22:11.12 | Patlabor221 | well here you go, wana play bzflag in real life? |
| 22:11.12 | Patlabor221 | http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?KNMDC103S |
| 22:11.28 | Cell | oh i scanned all the t-online ip range for listening trojans |
| 22:11.33 | bzdoug_ | it dont jump |
| 22:11.39 | Cell | there was a master pasword in subseven |
| 22:11.44 | Patlabor221 | if you kick them they do. |
| 22:11.47 | bzdoug_ | Cell: og? |
| 22:11.55 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: true... but thats beside the point |
| 22:11.57 | bzdoug_ | Cell: oh? |
| 22:12.20 | Cell | and if i found one i flip the screen of the victim |
| 22:12.29 | Cell | that gets windows suck |
| 22:12.33 | Patlabor221 | invert the X or the Y? |
| 22:12.41 | Cell | Y |
| 22:12.59 | Patlabor221 | Yes Y, very cunning of you there. |
| 22:13.26 | Cell | and then i display the matrix |
| 22:13.39 | Patlabor221 | all of it? |
| 22:13.48 | Patlabor221 | even the girl in the red dress? |
| 22:13.56 | Cell | no |
| 22:14.14 | Cell | all in black and green colors |
| 22:15.41 | Cell | i tried the flip on myself and i had to reboot |
| 22:15.42 | Patlabor221 | ohh that's not the matrix thats a screen save. |
| 22:16.19 | scan[ibook] | as long as it plays "Clubbed to death" in the background |
| 22:16.24 | scan[ibook] | can't have the matrix without that song |
| 22:16.29 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 22:17.29 | Cell | i have some time now, should i make another low res tank model? |
| 22:17.44 | Patlabor221 | hey what ever floats your boat |
| 22:17.53 | Cell | k |
| 22:18.29 | Cell | i try a Patlabor221 style tank |
| 22:18.37 | scan[ibook] | uh oh |
| 22:18.43 | Cell | starting with a box again |
| 22:18.46 | bzdoug_ | floats your tank |
| 22:18.55 | Patlabor221 | tanks don't float silly |
| 22:19.48 | bzdoug_ | some do |
| 22:19.57 | bzdoug_ | them big tanks can float |
| 22:21.45 | Patlabor221 | only when filled with whipped cream. |
| 22:22.03 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:22.26 | bzdoug_ | huh, my subspace thing dont work |
| 22:23.03 | Patlabor221 | it's not wise to put ones thing into subspace. |
| 22:23.26 | bzdoug_ | hmm? |
| 22:26.31 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 22:31.53 | TimRiker | ibot: host xmission.bzflag.org |
| 22:31.53 | | no idea, TimRiker |
| 22:32.00 | TimRiker | ibot: nslookup xmission.bzflag.org |
| 22:32.09 | bzdoug_ | xmission? |
| 22:32.14 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org |
| 22:32.41 | TimRiker | xmission is back on a new server. same hosting site. it's actually a faster box. |
| 22:32.51 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:33.04 | TimRiker | dns may not have been updated so you might have to use the address above to get in for a while. |
| 22:33.14 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:33.25 | TimRiker | anyone for testing? (folks that are not xmission customers) so I can see if the fw is ok? |
| 22:33.42 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:33.46 | bzdoug_ | sure... |
| 22:40.32 | bzdoug_ | TimRiker: nope, still borken |
| 22:42.42 | scan[ibook] | ~x fr en lanceur de boeuf |
| 22:43.08 | sussudio | ~x fr en fetcher la vache |
| 22:43.18 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 22:43.31 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:43.38 | sussudio | ~x fr en pig doug |
| 22:44.44 | Cell | ok here is my patlabor style tank jpg: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/tankp.jpg |
| 22:44.48 | scan[ibook] | Avertissement! Lanceur de boeuf! |
| 22:45.09 | Patlabor221 | looks like a space pod |
| 22:45.26 | Cell | oh, yes |
| 22:45.36 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 22:45.37 | Patlabor221 | a true patlabor style tank would walk and have legs |
| 22:45.45 | sussudio | that's a tank? it looks like an autobot reject |
| 22:45.52 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:45.53 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 22:45.55 | bzdoug_ | I like it |
| 22:46.00 | Patlabor221 | The turret dosn't match the style of the base |
| 22:46.03 | Cell | lol, thanks |
| 22:46.15 | Patlabor221 | and I would make the pods that come out the front a bit wider |
| 22:46.23 | Cell | ok |
| 22:46.24 | Patlabor221 | and shorten up the barrel |
| 22:46.46 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't need a sight or a muzzle brake |
| 22:47.20 | scan[ibook] | ~x en de turkey jerkey |
| 22:47.31 | scan[ibook] | ~x en fr turkey jerkey |
| 22:47.32 | Cell | now i make a battle mechanical spider |
| 22:47.37 | TimRiker | k, try again on xmission? |
| 22:47.42 | bzdoug_ | k |
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| 22:54.15 | TimRiker | hmm. reboot. |
| 22:54.29 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 22:55.50 | TimRiker | moving the server to it's permanet home. |
| 22:55.55 | TimRiker | thanx for testing! |
| 22:55.59 | sussudio | :-P |
| 22:56.20 | Chestal | Tim: couldn't you cut it down to at most 4 shots? |
| 22:57.00 | Chestal | IMHO all the >=5 shot servers are not really playable. Mybe fun because everything is so loud and colourful there, but not playable |
| 22:57.12 | Chestal | of course, thse servers are still the most popular |
| 22:57.34 | Patlabor221 | so not a fan of dougs 100 shot server? :) |
| 22:57.46 | Chestal | make it 1 shot and I'm on |
| 22:58.29 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 22:58.37 | Chestal | anyone tried my 2 most recent patches? |
| 22:58.49 | Chestal | I'm goign to extend the radar size patch by a mouse box size patchj |
| 22:58.55 | stibnite | hey Chestal can i chat withya sometime about busy bzfs bandwidth usage? |
| 22:59.10 | stibnite | heh, try saying that 10 times fast. ;) |
| 22:59.28 | prot-work | yay for screen |
| 22:59.36 | Chestal | stibnite: yes, but I don't have that much data on it and it depends on a whoel lot of factors |
| 22:59.51 | Chestal | I can give you average bandwidth usage for ducati |
| 23:00.08 | stibnite | k, i'd be interested to see that. :) |
| 23:00.22 | stibnite | that's 4 on 4 ctf, no? |
| 23:00.28 | Chestal | just a moment, msut copy the web pages to a public space |
| 23:00.34 | Chestal | it's 3 servers |
| 23:00.40 | stibnite | yes of course, at your leisure. |
| 23:00.52 | Chestal | but we can assume that only the ducati 4 vs 4 server is responsible for the traffic |
| 23:01.16 | stibnite | oh! |
| 23:03.23 | Chestal | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/ducati/ |
| 23:03.48 | Chestal | In and Out are reversed |
| 23:03.59 | Chestal | because these are stats as seen from the switch |
| 23:05.07 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl5x48.chesco.com) |
| 23:05.39 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 23:05.59 | MrApathyCream | lo, up late? |
| 23:06.03 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 23:06.05 | stibnite | k |
| 23:06.15 | Chestal | MAC: is it possible, that not all messages are localizes yet? Liek the 'got shot', 'grabbed flag' etc. messages? |
| 23:06.31 | MrApathyCream | yes certainly, especially parameterized ones |
| 23:06.47 | Chestal | stibnite: also keep in mind that these are averages, the shortest being a 5 minute average |
| 23:07.04 | Chestal | there migh tbe higher peaks when you'd do the averagign over only 5s intervals |
| 23:07.33 | MrApathyCream | some strings are 'ad-hoc' type messages, meaning there's no consistent place to do the conversions. |
| 23:07.43 | stibnite | this is total util though, not just bz? |
| 23:07.44 | MrApathyCream | I'm starting to work on the parameterized ones |
| 23:08.00 | Chestal | stib: yes, total for machine. But the rest is probably neglectible |
| 23:08.12 | stibnite | k, very good! |
| 23:08.17 | stibnite | i think i can afford this! |
| 23:08.42 | Chestal | bandwidth usage increases quickly with playef count |
| 23:08.55 | stibnite | linear? |
| 23:09.07 | Chestal | no, square function |
| 23:09.19 | Chestal | as a rule of thmb |
| 23:09.29 | stibnite | hm. |
| 23:09.57 | Chestal | obsevers only cause linear increase |
| 23:10.10 | stibnite | hrm, now i will have to think hard |
| 23:10.17 | Chestal | regular players cause linear increase in input bandwidth which causes square increase in output bandwidth |
| 23:11.04 | bzdoug_ | ~x de en Vollmilchschokolade |
| 23:11.13 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 23:11.24 | bzdoug_ | I got it down to the word |
| 23:11.48 | stibnite | sorry to make you do the math for me, but if 8 players means avg 12k, what does 36 players translate to? |
| 23:11.55 | Chestal | ~x de en Zartbitterschokolade |
| 23:12.03 | Chestal | 36? uh, a lot |
| 23:12.23 | stibnite | hrm... |
| 23:12.31 | Chestal | 243k in theory |
| 23:12.44 | Cell | now i done a battle mechanical spider |
| 23:12.50 | Chestal | but that#s onyl a rough estimation, it will probably be less |
| 23:12.52 | Cell | ok here is my patlabor style tank jpg: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/spider.jpg |
| 23:13.00 | stibnite | yikes... |
| 23:13.18 | bzdoug_ | do the legs move? |
| 23:13.18 | stibnite | i couldn't afford that. :\ |
| 23:13.30 | Cell | bzdoug_:no not yet |
| 23:13.32 | Chestal | you'd very rarely have 36 players moving on the fiel dat the same time |
| 23:13.38 | Cell | it would need a skeleton |
| 23:13.45 | stibnite | true |
| 23:13.55 | Chestal | 36 is a bit high anyway, don't you think? |
| 23:14.04 | Chestal | 12 is a lot already IMHO |
| 23:14.08 | stibnite | yes, i doubt that hashmark would be that busy |
| 23:14.19 | stibnite | but we're regularly hitting 22-23 nowadays |
| 23:14.48 | stibnite | and with 10 shots, it's admittedly a maddening place to play |
| 23:14.57 | stibnite | causes some very high (and very low) scores |
| 23:15.12 | Chestal | it's not a server I play on anyways |
| 23:15.27 | Chestal | I'd lower shot number drastically and limit players to no more than 15 |
| 23:15.28 | MrApathyCream | Chestal what about kick for too many messages sent per second? |
| 23:15.30 | Patlabor221 | cell spiders have 8 legs |
| 23:15.50 | Chestal | MAC: hmm, why? |
| 23:16.02 | MrApathyCream | to reduce lag, and kick people in the pants to upgrade |
| 23:16.15 | MrApathyCream | and well, may dos problems |
| 23:16.23 | MrApathyCream | s/may/maybe/ |
| 23:16.25 | stibnite | do paused players get kicked at the idle limit? |
| 23:16.34 | Chestal | hmm, not sure this will really be useful |
| 23:16.38 | Chestal | stibnite: no |
| 23:16.50 | Chestal | MAC: the version after this one will break compat. anyway |
| 23:16.54 | MrApathyCream | true |
| 23:16.56 | Chestal | MAC: then we can get some thigns right |
| 23:17.00 | MrApathyCream | can't come to soon |
| 23:17.14 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: Riker says he hasn't seen the CLOSE_WAIT prob for a while, how bout you? |
| 23:17.15 | Chestal | at least simplify the protocol a little |
| 23:17.25 | Chestal | MrApathyCream: haven't checked |
| 23:17.38 | Chestal | peopel have been complaing about larger 'felt' lag, though |
| 23:17.41 | stibnite | MrApathyCream: is that in cvs? |
| 23:17.57 | Chestal | so to see whetehr this is causes by the new version I'm running two identical sevrers now, one with older code, one with current CVS |
| 23:17.57 | MrApathyCream | stibnite: sorry? |
| 23:17.57 | stibnite | i can put it up on my server and tell you straightaway. :) |
| 23:18.04 | stibnite | the CLOSE_WAIT fix |
| 23:18.08 | Chestal | let's see which server they think is doping better |
| 23:18.10 | MrApathyCream | stibnite: not sure there is one |
| 23:18.12 | Chestal | eh, doing, not doping |
| 23:18.15 | stibnite | ah. |
| 23:18.24 | stibnite | you mentioned that he sees the problem less... |
| 23:18.26 | MrApathyCream | stibnite: but maybe.. i did modify something small, but i doubt it was a fix |
| 23:18.28 | Chestal | the whoel socket and player state issue is rather a mess righ tnow in bzfs |
| 23:18.39 | Chestal | we repeatedly had issues with it |
| 23:18.54 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: is yours the bleeding edge cvs? or a lil stale? |
| 23:19.08 | Chestal | MrApathyCream: one of them is bleeding edge, from this afternoon |
| 23:19.15 | Chestal | the other is an early g1 |
| 23:19.29 | Chestal | and 59999 is a modified early g1 |
| 23:19.30 | MrApathyCream | should be interesting to see if there's a diff |
| 23:19.43 | Chestal | I till need to get that coutndown thing in CVS |
| 23:19.51 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:19.59 | Chestal | last time, Tim didn#t like /countdown without password, but I want it |
| 23:20.17 | Chestal | and I need non-autmatic-startign timed game, I guess an option would be best |
| 23:20.33 | MrApathyCream | --what ever you want |
| 23:20.57 | Chestal | hmm, length s given by --time <time> |
| 23:21.05 | MrApathyCream | i'm continueing to work on i18n, if you see untranslated stuff let me know |
| 23:21.10 | Chestal | eh, -, not -- |
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| 23:21.38 | Chestal | MAC: haven#t really looked at that i18n code, does it have a noticable perforance impact? |
| 23:21.52 | Chestal | the new code looks a bit scary with the vector |
| 23:22.06 | MrApathyCream | no, i don't think so, it's just a map (hash) lookup |
| 23:22.20 | MrApathyCream | or maybe it's atree, yes tree lookup |
| 23:22.21 | Chestal | I guess english is fastest because the ma is empty then? |
| 23:22.30 | Chestal | red/black tree probably |
| 23:22.38 | MrApathyCream | probably |
| 23:22.51 | MrApathyCream | std::map, what ever it does |
| 23:22.55 | MrApathyCream | tree i think |
| 23:23.10 | Chestal | what#s the idea with the parametrized messages? |
| 23:23.38 | MrApathyCream | Problem is that parameterization happens (now) far away from a common possible replacement point |
| 23:23.55 | Chestal | I saw some code using vectors |
| 23:24.17 | MrApathyCream | so, it's just a little work.. no perfect solution, but s'ok... just time to do athis point |
| 23:24.22 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:24.36 | Chestal | what goes in there? substrings? |
| 23:24.41 | MrApathyCream | the parameters |
| 23:24.58 | MrApathyCream | {1} Shot{2} |
| 23:25.08 | MrApathyCream | vector [1] = 4, [2] = s |
| 23:25.25 | MrApathyCream | So that other languages can move parameter order based on language preference |
| 23:25.44 | MrApathyCream | considered using std_args, but it was difficult to do taht way |
| 23:25.59 | Chestal | hmm, [2]=s? |
| 23:26.16 | MrApathyCream | and win doesn't support positional parms in printf formats |
| 23:26.26 | Cell | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.35 | MrApathyCream | chestal so that we get -> 4 Shots |
| 23:26.46 | Chestal | MrApathyCream: eh, yes, but that would only work for English? |
| 23:26.46 | Cell | bzflag tanks have no chance against my spiders |
| 23:27.05 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: why? |
| 23:27.20 | Patlabor221 | cell texture them. |
| 23:27.22 | Chestal | MrApathyCream: bcause othe languages don't use 's' apendix for plural |
| 23:27.33 | MrApathyCream | you can look up s in dictionary too |
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| 23:27.44 | Cell | Patlabor221: i dont know how |
| 23:27.45 | MrApathyCream | or, i could have two, Shot and Shots |
| 23:27.48 | Vernon | Would someone mind checking my server? |
| 23:27.49 | MrApathyCream | perhaps that would be better |
| 23:27.52 | Chestal | MAC: in Germany, it's 1 Schuss, 2 Schüsse |
| 23:27.58 | Patlabor221 | cell: learn how. |
| 23:28.06 | TimRikerOut | ~bflist |
| 23:28.09 | Cell | ok, oh i think i know |
| 23:28.11 | MrApathyCream | Chestal, ok, I'll make Shot and Shots |
| 23:28.12 | TimRikerOut | ~bzflist |
| 23:28.22 | TimRikerOut | xmission returns. ;-) |
| 23:28.44 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: See Patlabor221's new geom'ed missiles? |
| 23:29.06 | Chestal | no |
| 23:29.23 | Patlabor221 | he can't run them, they have too many faces, he needs a limit of 3 :) |
| 23:29.24 | MrApathyCream | sw33t, but i spose since you never play with gm, well, .... :) |
| 23:29.27 | Chestal | I tried soem patch (I think from jzaun) which changes the look of super bullets |
| 23:29.35 | Chestal | those can get in IMHO, a small change and looks good |
| 23:29.54 | Chestal | MAC: does it only affect the high quality setting? |
| 23:30.06 | MrApathyCream | fine by me, as long as we all agree that it reduces SB power, and can live with it |
| 23:30.08 | Patlabor221 | it will only affect HQ when I'm done |
| 23:30.10 | Vernon | ~bzflist |
| 23:30.27 | MrApathyCream | --removes element of surprise |
| 23:30.30 | Chestal | but it only reduces it _very_ slightly |
| 23:30.39 | Patlabor221 | tho I must say they do look cool spinning as they fly. |
| 23:30.44 | Chestal | can hardly imagine a case where it would spil the surprise |
| 23:31.01 | Vernon | ~bzflist |
| 23:31.06 | MrApathyCream | Well if you're asleep in a building and someone shoots you from across the world |
| 23:31.13 | Chestal | for collision detection, GMs are spheres of course |
| 23:31.13 | MrApathyCream | you make wake up in time to move |
| 23:31.18 | Chestal | but I guess noone will notice |
| 23:31.27 | Chestal | ok, when you have OO |
| 23:31.40 | Chestal | I thoguht of cases where you are behind a building |
| 23:31.50 | Vernon | My server appears to up, but folks were getting inactivity drops on it earlier :( |
| 23:31.54 | MrApathyCream | yes that prolly wouldn't matter, but 00 |
| 23:31.58 | Vernon | no idea why |
| 23:32.17 | Vernon | vernon.is-a-geek.org 5155 |
| 23:32.20 | MrApathyCream | but it's fine with me. |
| 23:32.25 | MrApathyCream | bbiab |
| 23:32.28 | Chestal | what do you mean by inactivity drops? |
| 23:32.52 | Vernon | i am an idiot and did not keep a log of the exact error messages :( |
| 23:33.14 | Vernon | but something like "dropped due to inactivity" ? |
| 23:33.37 | Chestal | not 'kicked for idling too long'? |
| 23:34.16 | Vernon | that is not what the server said |
| 23:34.18 | Chestal | I get a 'communication error' when trying to join |
| 23:34.50 | Vernon | thought maybe it was a FW issue .. people have not had problems before though, so i do not think so |
| 23:35.04 | Vernon | Chestal: just now? |
| 23:35.07 | Chestal | Vernon: yes |
| 23:35.16 | Vernon | Ok lemme check the logs ... |
| 23:35.31 | Chestal | bzfquery works, though |
| 23:36.09 | Vernon | are you from t-diain.net ? |
| 23:36.14 | Chestal | yes |
| 23:36.23 | Vernon | yes i see that in the FW logs |
| 23:36.35 | Vernon | and the rules are set to accept |
| 23:36.46 | Chestal | pD9E5F99F.dip.t-dialin.net aka 217.229.249.159 |
| 23:36.51 | Vernon | right |
| 23:37.01 | Vernon | so why cant you join? hmm |
| 23:37.46 | Vernon | must be my FW ... lemme try something |
| 23:37.57 | Chestal | not sure, I can connect to both 5155 and 5156 just fine (TCP level) |
| 23:40.55 | Vernon | ok maybe try again |
| 23:42.00 | Chestal | same |
| 23:42.03 | Vernon | Hmm |
| 23:42.15 | Vernon | you must be getting through to the bzfs |
| 23:42.15 | Chestal | why is joining servers with custom maps still so slow, as if map caching wouldn't really work |
| 23:42.32 | Vernon | because i can see you in the bzfs logs |
| 23:42.37 | Chestal | yes, because bzfquery works jsut fine |
| 23:42.44 | Chestal | do you run a custom map? |
| 23:42.53 | Vernon | yes ... it is HIX 2.0 |
| 23:43.01 | Chestal | I#d dump it for a test |
| 23:43.02 | Vernon | it is tim's map |
| 23:43.10 | Chestal | and see if it work swith a simple random map |
| 23:43.17 | Vernon | Ok |
| 23:43.26 | Vernon | but it has worked before :-P |
| 23:43.33 | Vernon | dumping it ... |
| 23:44.24 | Vernon | ok restarted without custom map |
| 23:45.17 | Vernon | You know what? |
| 23:45.21 | Vernon | I am an idiot |
| 23:45.34 | Vernon | you were able to join fine, right? |
| 23:46.12 | Vernon | I change 2 things when you told me to restart the server ... i should never have done that |
| 23:46.44 | Vernon | I also lowered the number of flags from 400 to 100 :) |
| 23:46.56 | Vernon | is there a limit to the number of flags? |
| 23:47.07 | Chestal | worked now |
| 23:47.12 | Chestal | not sure |
| 23:47.36 | Chestal | but the transmission of the map and other world state on joining is a bit flaky |
| 23:48.05 | Vernon | let me try the custom world again ... thanks for the help! |
| 23:49.04 | Vernon | there must be a limit on the number of flags :( |
| 23:49.18 | Vernon | wonder what it is? |
| 23:49.30 | Chestal | the client cerates an array of the size the serves requests |
| 23:49.32 | Chestal | so no limit there |
| 23:49.48 | Chestal | not that 100 flags would be very useful anyway... |
| 23:50.01 | Vernon | it is at 100 now and working fine |
| 23:50.10 | Vernon | but 400 does not appear to work |
| 23:50.22 | Vernon | > 100 flags is cool! |
| 23:50.39 | Cell | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.44 | Cell | with texture |
| 23:50.49 | Vernon | It makes the game a bit different |
| 23:50.58 | Chestal | and a cheater is o there |
| 23:51.02 | Chestal | numb dee dum or something |
| 23:51.08 | Vernon | want me to ban him? |
| 23:51.20 | Chestal | I don't cre, but the other players might |
| 23:51.25 | Patlabor221 | cell: did you just uniform map that? or is it UV unwraped? |
| 23:51.54 | Cell | uv unwrapped, i used render to texture and auto unwrap |
| 23:52.03 | Cell | it was cube map first before unwrap |
| 23:52.24 | Patlabor221 | ahh that makes sens for how it looks then |
| 23:52.44 | Patlabor221 | no usefull for skinning then realy. |
| 23:53.26 | Cell | cool fire |
| 23:53.32 | Cell | can be done wit max |
| 23:53.34 | Vernon | so does anyone here knwo what the upper limit is on the number of flags? |
| 23:53.39 | Vernon | know? |
| 23:55.53 | Cell | i make it walk now |
| 23:56.01 | Cell | as a skinned mesh |
| 23:56.22 | Patlabor221 | can you show me the unwrap? |
| 23:56.47 | Cell | yes i wanted by myself but it does not respond currently |
| 23:57.01 | Cell | pls wait a moment |
| 23:57.18 | Cell | i did not saved |
| 23:57.33 | Patlabor221 | there does not seem to be a max limit in the code. |
| 23:58.16 | Patlabor221 | there may be something with the flag spawn code thos that may not be able to find room for all of them. |
| 23:58.30 | Vernon | well folks were having problems connecting when i had 400 flags |
| 23:58.46 | Vernon | 100 flags seems to be fine |
| 23:58.59 | Patlabor221 | try leting it put flags on buildings |
| 23:59.04 | Patlabor221 | and see if you can increase it |
| 23:59.06 | Vernon | if you would not mind helping me trouble shoot this i would appreciate it |
| 23:59.28 | Vernon | just need someone to join |
| 23:59.38 | Patlabor221 | what server? |
| 23:59.39 | Vernon | and then keep trying to join after each change |
| 23:59.42 | Cell | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.46 | Vernon | vernon.is-a-geek.org 5155 |
| 23:59.59 | Cell | 256x256 |
