| 00:03.17 | doughecka | lol |
| 00:07.36 | doughecka | Jormungandr: you ever put the latest updated map in the server? |
| 00:08.27 | Jormungandr | haven't restart server yet.. remember, I am at work. :) |
| 00:11.00 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 00:11.01 | Jormungandr | sleepy bot |
| 00:11.01 | Jormungandr | 13 people still on. |
| 00:11.01 | Jormungandr | which one was final? |
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| 00:13.06 | Jormungandr | spiralsdone3.map? |
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| 00:13.32 | Jormungandr | we also need a name for this version :) or a version number. |
| 00:16.40 | doughecka | oops |
| 00:16.48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:16.49 | doughecka | 3.0 |
| 00:16.50 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:17.01 | doughecka | or springs :) |
| 00:17.09 | doughecka | spiralsandsprings |
| 00:17.14 | Jormungandr | okie |
| 00:17.26 | doughecka | 3.0 would be nice.. :) |
| 00:18.07 | Jormungandr | spirals 3.0? |
| 00:18.14 | doughecka | sure |
| 00:18.14 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:20.16 | Jormungandr | okie... updating conf file. |
| 00:20.26 | doughecka | ok |
| 00:21.16 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 00:21.28 | captain_proton | EDITS DECKS?! |
| 00:22.25 | captain_proton | you realize i will have to ban you if you start passing around a crapified version? |
| 00:22.31 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 00:22.36 | doughecka | I wont call it decks |
| 00:22.56 | captain_proton | still |
| 00:23.07 | doughecka | wont even look like it |
| 00:23.08 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:23.27 | doughecka | I am using the idea |
| 00:25.16 | doughecka | dinner |
| 00:25.17 | scanline | captain_proton: did you write decks? |
| 00:25.35 | captain_proton | scanline: sorta kinda |
| 00:26.30 | doughecka | sorta? |
| 00:32.12 | Jormungandr | observer mode rules, btw. |
| 00:33.21 | Jormungandr | I'm gunna try to talk vicious into writing a console based observer client that I can use to monitor users, etc. |
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| 00:40.56 | doughecka | heh |
| 00:40.59 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:41.15 | doughecka | where is that program that can rotate objects in a bzw file? |
| 00:41.44 | scanline | http://bzw-object-rotator-2000-xp.com |
| 00:53.41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:54.27 | doughecka | like those maps that have the text upright, so its like a sign |
| 00:55.00 | Jormungandr | text in maps is EVIL! |
| 00:55.02 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 00:55.11 | doughecka | yea |
| 00:55.15 | doughecka | I dont want to put text |
| 00:55.27 | doughecka | I just want to rotate something upright |
| 01:05.08 | Jormungandr | w |
| 01:05.10 | Jormungandr | ops |
| 01:05.13 | Jormungandr | oops even |
| 01:05.22 | doughecka | whoops even.. :) |
| 01:05.32 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:05.33 | doughecka | the new map up? |
| 01:05.48 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 01:05.54 | doughecka | k |
| 01:05.56 | Jormungandr | I told you I'm at work :) |
| 01:06.04 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 01:06.06 | doughecka | yah :) |
| 01:06.21 | Jormungandr | if it wasn't so darned full, I'd just change it. |
| 01:06.38 | Jormungandr | it's nice that it's run this long without crapping out. |
| 01:06.44 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:07.56 | Jormungandr | I should put reference to this irc channel in admin announcement thingy. |
| 01:08.06 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 01:08.27 | Jormungandr | so that if there is abuse, I can deal with it when I am at work, somehow. |
| 01:08.42 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:08.42 | Jormungandr | I think I need to have vicious build that bot for me. |
| 01:08.46 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:08.47 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:08.51 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:09.09 | doughecka | !kick everyody |
| 01:09.12 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 01:09.27 | doughecka | !kick kicked |
| 01:09.30 | Jormungandr | I bet, there you could write a mud client that could do it. |
| 01:09.34 | doughecka | !reboot server |
| 01:09.39 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:09.52 | Jormungandr | it'd have to understand the protocols. |
| 01:10.01 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:10.03 | doughecka | good luck |
| 01:10.06 | Jormungandr | but they are all text anyway |
| 01:12.42 | doughecka | bummer |
| 01:13.15 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:14.07 | Jormungandr | this is kinda cool. |
| 01:14.17 | doughecka | lol |
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| 01:19.40 | doughecka | ~country .at |
| 01:19.41 | | [country .at] austria |
| 01:19.45 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:19.51 | faz_ | yep :) |
| 01:20.15 | faz_ | currently playing at obiwan.hvrlab.org 5155 |
| 01:20.26 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:30.50 | doughecka | how do I make inverted pyramids? |
| 01:33.12 | doughecka | ~xmission |
| 01:33.18 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:33.23 | doughecka | servers broke |
| 01:40.34 | Jormungandr | well, I got some nice treats from a customer. |
| 01:40.56 | Jormungandr | real truffle paste, porcini oil, and dried porcinis all from italy. |
| 01:53.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:57.09 | Jormungandr | I feel old reading the bzflag forums |
| 01:57.30 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 01:57.44 | Jormungandr | everyone is a teenager. |
| 01:57.46 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:57.59 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:00.31 | Jormungandr | someone said "I was born before the first terminator movie". |
| 02:00.31 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 02:00.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:00.41 | doughecka | THATS old |
| 02:03.38 | Jormungandr | that's like practically yesterday |
| 02:04.03 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:04.07 | doughecka | http://www2.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/rx8/xmen/rx8_xmen_flash.jsp |
| 02:07.13 | Jormungandr | more marketing! |
| 02:08.49 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:12.18 | doughecka | http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/dc_studio/robota/ |
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| 02:36.15 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 02:36.34 | Jormungandr | grrr |
| 02:37.00 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:37.05 | Jormungandr | nite |
| 02:37.24 | doughecka | ~spell nite |
| 02:37.26 | | possible spellings for nite: niter note nit bite mite Nate Nita unite nits Nice Nike Nile Vite cite kite lite nice nine rite site noter |
| 02:37.49 | Jormungandr | before you go to bed, you can go on and kick off chicken_sh*t :) |
| 02:38.11 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:38.15 | doughecka | roger that captian |
| 02:38.22 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 02:39.40 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 02:40.28 | doughecka | betteR? |
| 02:40.32 | Jormungandr | thank you! |
| 02:40.37 | doughecka | ~secretplace |
| 02:40.43 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:40.46 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 02:41.09 | Jormungandr | good night |
| 02:46.37 | LTDbzflagplayer | its quite |
| 02:47.53 | Jormungandr | quiet even :) |
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| 02:49.17 | Jormungandr | hi M_A_C |
| 02:51.08 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 02:53.13 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 02:53.29 | Jormungandr | ygh |
| 02:53.31 | Jormungandr | some people |
| 02:56.15 | MrApathyCream | Tim's not been here, i take it? |
| 02:56.26 | Jormungandr | haven't seen him today |
| 02:58.17 | MrApathyCream | btw, what was the noxious smell? |
| 02:58.21 | Jormungandr | trying to talk a friend of mine who is a coder to write a bot for me that will join and do admin functions, and interface with the server. |
| 02:58.35 | Jormungandr | AC unit blew out in a HUGE way. |
| 02:58.40 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:58.41 | MrApathyCream | oofa |
| 02:58.59 | Jormungandr | it was pretty bad. |
| 02:59.04 | doughecka | how does MrApathyCream know about that bad smell? |
| 02:59.07 | Jormungandr | fortunately, there are a LOT of AC units here. |
| 02:59.07 | MrApathyCream | bot { kick doug(); repeat } |
| 02:59.17 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 02:59.30 | doughecka | how does he know? |
| 02:59.32 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:59.33 | Jormungandr | why is it that people insist on using rude callsigns |
| 02:59.36 | Jormungandr | he wsa here last night. |
| 02:59.38 | MrApathyCream | i smelt it from here |
| 02:59.39 | Jormungandr | was |
| 02:59.40 | doughecka | ah? |
| 02:59.48 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 02:59.52 | doughecka | cool, so MrApathyCream and Jormungandr know each other |
| 02:59.53 | doughecka | cool |
| 02:59.57 | Jormungandr | no... |
| 03:00.03 | Jormungandr | he was in channel last night |
| 03:00.06 | doughecka | oh |
| 03:00.07 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:00.07 | doughecka | oh |
| 03:00.11 | doughecka | hum |
| 03:00.12 | doughecka | ok |
| 03:00.24 | MrApathyCream | Don't like Jack's nick? |
| 03:00.27 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 03:00.36 | MrApathyCream | doughecka: quite early, no? |
| 03:02.26 | Jormungandr | I stuck helix on dragon.org earlier with 2 shots... it got really busy for a few hours. |
| 03:02.33 | Jormungandr | I love ctf |
| 03:02.45 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 03:03.55 | LTDbzflagplayer | whats your callsign |
| 03:04.11 | Jormungandr | I think I may remove rogues, and add 1 more slot to each team |
| 03:04.15 | Jormungandr | mine is Nidhoggr |
| 03:04.39 | LTDbzflagplayer | its not on dragon |
| 03:04.48 | Jormungandr | cuz I'm at work |
| 03:04.53 | Jormungandr | and can't play from here. |
| 03:04.53 | LTDbzflagplayer | oh |
| 03:05.08 | Jormungandr | I admin dragon.org and bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 03:05.27 | Jormungandr | they run on my humble servers. :) |
| 03:06.01 | Jormungandr | I start new shift coming up this week. |
| 03:06.07 | Jormungandr | 4 10 hour shifts/week. |
| 03:06.25 | Jormungandr | sunday - wednesday 6am - 4pm. |
| 03:10.02 | Jormungandr | later mac |
| 03:11.30 | LTDbzflagplayer | im making a world |
| 03:11.43 | Jormungandr | what sort of world? |
| 03:12.12 | LTDbzflagplayer | mostly for gm |
| 03:12.25 | LTDbzflagplayer | alot of camper places |
| 03:14.05 | LTDbzflagplayer | im on secretpalce us |
| 03:14.42 | LTDbzflagplayer | how high can u teleport in that world |
| 03:14.53 | LTDbzflagplayer | i think there is a cheater |
| 03:15.04 | Jormungandr | there is a super high teleport |
| 03:17.18 | LTDbzflagplayer | ok |
| 03:19.11 | Jormungandr | the map will change a little on there later. |
| 03:19.16 | Jormungandr | I have an update from dough |
| 03:19.18 | Jormungandr | doug |
| 03:20.23 | LTDbzflagplayer | ok |
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| 03:28.12 | Jormungandr | re pat |
| 03:28.31 | Patlabor221 | what does re mean? |
| 03:35.47 | Jormungandr | re-hi |
| 03:35.48 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 03:37.13 | Patlabor221 | I see :) |
| 03:38.02 | Patlabor221 | ok so maybe I should not have eaten an entire pot of mashed potatos |
| 03:38.25 | Jormungandr | hahahaha |
| 03:38.34 | Jormungandr | feeling a little bloated? |
| 03:39.01 | Patlabor221 | tad |
| 03:43.15 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 03:48.27 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 03:48.43 | Jormungandr | time to make those changes.... |
| 03:50.07 | Jormungandr | there.. changed dragon.org to no rogues for ctf game. |
| 03:57.23 | *** join/#bzflag ltdbzflagp (~d80883f6@203.194.240.139) |
| 03:57.43 | ltdbzflagp | hey |
| 03:57.51 | ltdbzflagp | re there any bzcops here |
| 03:58.01 | ltdbzflagp | are8 |
| 03:59.40 | ltdbzflagp | k bye |
| 03:59.45 | ltdbzflagp | night all |
| 04:02.49 | Patlabor221 | kinda impatient for a cop candidate |
| 04:03.03 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 04:04.31 | Patlabor221 | you would think that he would know at least what the orginsiation he wants to join is |
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| 04:24.16 | Patlabor221 | he lives |
| 04:30.35 | Jormungandr | hi tim |
| 05:12.15 | TimRiker | hey all. catching up on email after being offline since thursday. |
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| 09:42.41 | bomber | moin |
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| 16:12.21 | Cell | lo |
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| 16:51.54 | bomber | hi tea..und tschuss |
| 16:52.03 | bomber | nbye |
| 16:52.08 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:52.17 | bomber | lul |
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| 17:02.24 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 17:02.30 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 17:04.55 | Patlabor221 | so is the cop program totaly dependent on stats? |
| 17:05.35 | doughecka | mostly, since the passwords for jzaun and noodleroni are there |
| 17:06.16 | Patlabor221 | and the script that server ops are suposed to use to make a cop server? |
| 17:06.27 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:06.51 | Patlabor221 | well perhaps someone can now redesign the cop program to give it some more structure. |
| 17:07.29 | doughecka | hmm, like having all people give us all the passwords to the servers |
| 17:07.30 | doughecka | like madcity |
| 17:07.48 | Patlabor221 | no like using some method that allows difrent levels of access |
| 17:07.56 | Chestal | IMHO bzcops should be made depensable |
| 17:08.03 | doughecka | ? |
| 17:08.10 | Chestal | each serevr admin should decide who to trust |
| 17:08.11 | Patlabor221 | that type of password manamment ( give us all your passwords) never works. |
| 17:08.14 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:08.16 | Chestal | thus, authentication is needed |
| 17:08.23 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:08.23 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:08.55 | Chestal | the idea of bzcops wasn't bad maybe, but it got hurt too much by several incidents and discussions |
| 17:09.02 | Patlabor221 | wonder how many people the cops actulay banned in there time? |
| 17:09.17 | doughecka | sussudio banned about 50 ips |
| 17:09.19 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:09.34 | Chestal | too many |
| 17:10.02 | Patlabor221 | well with G2 most of those vulgar cheats will get autokicked |
| 17:10.11 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:10.24 | Chestal | btw., in my msot recent log file I have 3 kicks for speeding |
| 17:10.32 | Patlabor221 | so there will be time before they find ways to subtle cheat |
| 17:10.45 | Chestal | I guess 2 of them for cheat clients; one looks more like an error |
| 17:11.02 | Patlabor221 | most of the cheat clients have speeding as there main thing, so as soon as they move they get booted |
| 17:11.37 | Chestal | kicking Player i come in peac [3]: tank too fast (tank: 60.260874,allowed> 25.000000) |
| 17:11.44 | doughecka | what we really need is a real admin system in bzfs. |
| 17:11.45 | Chestal | kicking Player TLC [7]: tank too fast (tank: 28.000024,allowed> 25.000000) |
| 17:11.48 | Chestal | loksk liek modified clients |
| 17:11.54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:11.59 | Chestal | kicking Player Sun [3]: tank too fast (tank: 38.675370,allowed> 37.500000) looks more liek inaccuricy / bug |
| 17:12.03 | Patlabor221 | doug that's what authentication allows |
| 17:12.19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:12.27 | [TeA|TrEE] | happend to me aswell |
| 17:12.36 | Chestal | not lately, though |
| 17:12.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | i was going around with V and got kicked |
| 17:12.42 | Chestal | the tolerance level has been increased several times |
| 17:12.44 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 17:12.45 | Patlabor221 | you can't have an admin system untill the server has a way to know who is who, without just a raw /password |
| 17:12.50 | Patlabor221 | that's too general |
| 17:12.55 | doughecka | indeed |
| 17:13.40 | Patlabor221 | I just have to fix a bug with SetRights, then people can start alpha testing my changes. |
| 17:13.49 | doughecka | we need a way to register callsigns and things |
| 17:13.50 | Patlabor221 | should add /ghost too |
| 17:13.54 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:13.56 | doughecka | and /nick |
| 17:13.57 | Patlabor221 | that's what my thing does |
| 17:13.57 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:14.06 | Patlabor221 | I have /register implemented |
| 17:14.12 | Patlabor221 | and /identify |
| 17:14.21 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:14.34 | doughecka | will this be tied into a central data base? |
| 17:14.46 | doughecka | or will we have to do all this manully for each server? |
| 17:14.57 | Chestal | Pat: thoguht about hostmasks or fixed IPs to auto-identify? |
| 17:15.07 | Patlabor221 | right now it keeps the database on the servers drive, but if it all works I will have the option of contacting a centeral database server |
| 17:15.14 | doughecka | cool |
| 17:15.21 | Patlabor221 | that stores permisions for each server |
| 17:15.21 | doughecka | Chestal: thats cool too :) |
| 17:15.33 | Patlabor221 | so you register once, but have to have your premisions set per server. |
| 17:15.47 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:16.05 | doughecka | we need a bzfname server |
| 17:16.09 | Chestal | but how do you implement a central database server without crypt methods? |
| 17:16.38 | Chestal | enrypted passwords? |
| 17:16.57 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.39 | Patlabor221 | I don't know yet |
| 17:17.48 | Patlabor221 | proabalby just keep a password hash |
| 17:17.59 | Patlabor221 | this is just a simple version of it |
| 17:18.09 | Chestal | yep, I want the *real thing* :-) |
| 17:18.17 | Patlabor221 | then get to coding |
| 17:18.17 | Chestal | I don't trust no server admin out there |
| 17:18.28 | doughecka | dat aint good grammer |
| 17:18.31 | Chestal | coding isn't the problem, it's the concept |
| 17:18.47 | Patlabor221 | that's what I am trying to do, see what concept people will work with |
| 17:18.56 | Chestal | I hope after g2, we can have some meetings here to discuss a roadmap and concepts |
| 17:18.59 | Patlabor221 | I'm using IRC as a model, since that is something that has been accepted. |
| 17:19.31 | Patlabor221 | if it's well liked, I hope that it will help bring people to those meetings to discuss a real way to do it. |
| 17:22.59 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:23.03 | doughecka | meetings? |
| 17:25.19 | Patlabor221 | yes, what real dev projects do. |
| 17:25.22 | Patlabor221 | designs |
| 17:25.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:26.28 | Patlabor221 | BZ will die unless it's future is maped |
| 17:26.47 | Patlabor221 | right now noone knows what they can do, because there is no hard idea what Tim wants |
| 17:27.03 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:27.16 | Patlabor221 | it's all in his head. |
| 17:27.31 | doughecka | hmm, ask him :) |
| 17:27.32 | Patlabor221 | and what I see realy is you can get a feature in if you spin it right |
| 17:27.52 | Patlabor221 | I have sugested a BZBible before. |
| 17:27.52 | *** join/#bzflag Phactorial (~Phactoria@212.46.36.25) |
| 17:28.02 | doughecka | Phactorial! greetings |
| 17:28.07 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hah |
| 17:28.14 | Phactorial | Hi doughecka |
| 17:28.40 | Patlabor221 | honestly with Tim's current work situation I don't know how much time he has to devote to BZ. |
| 17:31.28 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9E5045B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:31.37 | doughecka | indeed |
| 17:31.40 | Phactorial | doughecka: Alpha box still up ? |
| 17:31.50 | doughecka | nope, dont have it anymore |
| 17:43.51 | Cell | someone knows whats Isobuster( im removing uneeded progs)? |
| 17:45.37 | Jormungandr | if it's running on your computer now, it's probably a virus. |
| 17:45.48 | Cell | do you think? |
| 17:45.52 | Jormungandr | do a google search |
| 17:45.56 | Patlabor221 | run addaware |
| 17:46.14 | Jormungandr | so jzaun/stats is down for good? |
| 17:46.28 | Patlabor221 | that's what he says |
| 17:47.04 | Jormungandr | would it be helpful if I offered web space and stuff to do what he was doing? |
| 17:47.43 | Patlabor221 | well the cops are basicly dead without his script I beileve |
| 17:47.49 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 17:47.55 | Jormungandr | so I hear |
| 17:48.22 | Jormungandr | I am open to the idea, for what it's worth. |
| 17:48.47 | Patlabor221 | well I think that if anyone does it they should make some hard rules about how the cops work |
| 17:48.53 | Patlabor221 | and what there acountability |
| 17:49.14 | Jormungandr | I have some STRONG issues about administrative stuff with bzflag. |
| 17:49.34 | Cell | i try to make a webservice , that is you upload a map and get a prerendered picture back |
| 17:49.36 | Jormungandr | there needs to be a better way for people to administrate the servers. |
| 17:50.08 | Jormungandr | without using the gui |
| 17:50.10 | Patlabor221 | cell, jzuan made a php page that did that. |
| 17:50.22 | Cell | really, how did he render it? |
| 17:50.29 | Jormungandr | it was okay... it was a bit naf |
| 17:50.33 | Patlabor221 | cell he had an imaging componenet, it was 2d |
| 17:50.59 | Cell | ah |
| 17:51.00 | Patlabor221 | jorm, once I get this thing going to a centeral admin database, I could make a client that just accessed that database. |
| 17:51.16 | Jormungandr | if we can move forward with this /identify scheme, we won't need to even worry about bzcops. |
| 17:51.18 | Patlabor221 | tho there are gonna be issues with that |
| 17:51.25 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if I'm the best person for that |
| 17:51.53 | Jormungandr | well, just getting it working locally is a big step. |
| 17:51.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:52.02 | Jormungandr | we can discuss database stuff later. |
| 17:52.13 | Patlabor221 | cus with the centeral database I have to keep permisions per server |
| 17:52.30 | Patlabor221 | and then who has admin rights on the centeral server :) |
| 17:52.32 | Jormungandr | if I can get shkoo to write that text admin bot, I would be ever-so-happy. |
| 17:52.53 | Patlabor221 | or I split it and keep permisions local, and just use the centeral server or password auth |
| 17:53.04 | Jormungandr | that'd work. |
| 17:53.08 | Patlabor221 | woudl be nice to asign people a "group" |
| 17:53.13 | Jormungandr | or have it configurable. |
| 17:53.33 | Jormungandr | so that person could allow remote auth, but set all local perms to override. |
| 17:53.37 | Patlabor221 | and then if you want to "copify" your server, you just give the "cop" group kick and ban on your server. |
| 17:53.45 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:53.47 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 17:54.00 | Patlabor221 | that's probably the best way |
| 17:54.21 | Patlabor221 | but if you ran multiple servers it would be nice for those machiens to be be able to share permisions if you wanted them to. |
| 17:54.32 | Jormungandr | might also start a discussion on this on one of the forums. |
| 17:54.37 | Patlabor221 | but that can be a small issue |
| 17:54.47 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 17:55.09 | Jormungandr | maybe a central database server that YOU could run and -dbserv db.dragon.org, etc. |
| 17:55.18 | Jormungandr | you choose your db server in -conf |
| 17:55.47 | Patlabor221 | so a sperate authentication and database server |
| 17:55.49 | Patlabor221 | that could work. |
| 17:56.00 | Jormungandr | no... |
| 17:56.07 | Jormungandr | you can do both. |
| 17:56.10 | Jormungandr | well. |
| 17:56.16 | Patlabor221 | you may not want to |
| 17:56.30 | Jormungandr | you can have your own auth or db server. |
| 17:56.34 | Patlabor221 | if you want to use like some cernteral nick list |
| 17:56.40 | Patlabor221 | but have your own permisions |
| 17:56.45 | doughecka | jzaun is still up, only the main page is changed |
| 17:56.45 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:56.54 | doughecka | get your maps off of it and stuff :) |
| 17:57.22 | Patlabor221 | you could run your own auth and database servers if you wanted |
| 17:57.35 | Patlabor221 | but I can see some people who would want to all access the same auth server |
| 17:57.41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:57.41 | Patlabor221 | like for the CTF leauge |
| 17:57.58 | Patlabor221 | but then each server admin should be able to set permisions as they see fit as well |
| 17:58.14 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 17:58.18 | Patlabor221 | and that permisions database should be able to be shared if need be too |
| 17:58.23 | Jormungandr | another bug last night... |
| 17:58.23 | Patlabor221 | so realy seperate servers would be best |
| 17:58.42 | Jormungandr | a /gameover made the server completely unusable. |
| 17:59.10 | Jormungandr | which is prolly correct, though |
| 17:59.12 | doughecka | see my new spirals? |
| 17:59.17 | doughecka | hehe |
| 17:59.20 | Jormungandr | it's nice, doug :) |
| 18:00.19 | Jormungandr | heh doug TK's someone :) |
| 18:01.00 | doughecka | bah |
| 18:01.04 | doughecka | he said he was clumsy |
| 18:01.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:01.16 | doughecka | thats not the latest map |
| 18:01.19 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:01.25 | Jormungandr | that's the last one you sent me. |
| 18:01.34 | doughecka | hmm, you must have missed it |
| 18:01.46 | Jormungandr | I asked you again, and you didn't reply. |
| 18:01.52 | Jormungandr | so I thought that this was it. |
| 18:01.55 | doughecka | I was gone :P |
| 18:02.02 | Jormungandr | nope. |
| 18:02.08 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:02.11 | Jormungandr | you were chatting a minute later. |
| 18:02.12 | doughecka | I must have missed it |
| 18:02.16 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:02.18 | doughecka | odd |
| 18:02.20 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/spiralsdone4.map |
| 18:02.26 | Jormungandr | it's not like this channel gets a lot of scrolling. |
| 18:02.27 | doughecka | thats the latest.. :) |
| 18:02.31 | doughecka | hah |
| 18:02.45 | Patlabor221 | well some times it does when people do stupid things |
| 18:02.45 | doughecka | no |
| 18:02.51 | doughecka | thats wrong |
| 18:02.54 | doughecka | not the latest |
| 18:03.16 | doughecka | aha |
| 18:03.24 | Jormungandr | make up your mind! |
| 18:03.26 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 18:03.33 | doughecka | thats the latest |
| 18:03.34 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:03.44 | Patlabor221 | need a cvs project just for maps |
| 18:03.52 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmmm, can you do that?> |
| 18:03.53 | Jormungandr | I'll change it later. |
| 18:03.57 | doughecka | Jormungandr: k |
| 18:04.01 | doughecka | not many people on now |
| 18:04.14 | doughecka | ~secretplace |
| 18:04.18 | Jormungandr | yeah, but I'm not up to admin stuff right now. |
| 18:04.21 | doughecka | heheh |
| 18:04.27 | doughecka | ooh, an all time low |
| 18:04.30 | doughecka | ;) |
| 18:04.37 | Jormungandr | I was woke up by new york times salesperson at 8 am. :( |
| 18:04.44 | doughecka | ick |
| 18:04.52 | doughecka | thats soooo early |
| 18:04.57 | doughecka | ;) |
| 18:05.03 | Jormungandr | it is when you go to bed at 3 |
| 18:05.10 | Jormungandr | oh... |
| 18:05.20 | Patlabor221 | sure it's just a text file |
| 18:05.25 | Patlabor221 | then you could update them |
| 18:05.32 | Patlabor221 | and have history of the changes |
| 18:05.35 | doughecka | ok, I am gonna do one more update |
| 18:05.36 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:05.41 | doughecka | ah, cool |
| 18:05.50 | Patlabor221 | then everyone would know where the latest ones were |
| 18:06.01 | doughecka | hmm, ok |
| 18:06.11 | Jormungandr | I COULD set up cvs server on dragon.org, I suppose. |
| 18:06.17 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:06.29 | doughecka | a world cvs server |
| 18:06.30 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:06.30 | Jormungandr | or that new thing. |
| 18:06.34 | doughecka | ick |
| 18:06.39 | Jormungandr | ick? |
| 18:06.39 | Patlabor221 | hell if you could figure out how to set one up, you can put it on asgard.bakadigital.com |
| 18:06.44 | doughecka | yah |
| 18:06.55 | Patlabor221 | subversion is cool |
| 18:07.00 | doughecka | bah |
| 18:07.05 | Patlabor221 | and there is a tourtice thing for it |
| 18:07.08 | doughecka | cvs works for now :) |
| 18:07.18 | Cell | Patlabor221: i have the turtle |
| 18:07.39 | Patlabor221 | Jorm, if you want to try to set one up I can give you a shell acct on asgard |
| 18:07.52 | Patlabor221 | cell, they have one for CVS and SubVersion now. |
| 18:08.00 | Cell | kewl |
| 18:08.07 | Jormungandr | I have plenty of resources, so I can do it here... it's just that I need to put a plan together for all this stuff first. :) |
| 18:08.58 | Jormungandr | I'd like it if people would be able to help out with the project, though... cuz I end up doing a lot of stuff by myself. |
| 18:09.04 | doughecka | hehe |
| 18:09.10 | Patlabor221 | noo I have ultiirior motives :) |
| 18:09.20 | Patlabor221 | I need a cvs server for bz:0 :) |
| 18:09.24 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 18:09.25 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 18:09.33 | Jormungandr | what's your machine running on? |
| 18:09.35 | Patlabor221 | and other things |
| 18:09.42 | Jormungandr | redhat? |
| 18:09.43 | Patlabor221 | asgard is redhat8 |
| 18:09.48 | doughecka | hmm, we have Jormungandr with super duperbandwidth, or Patlabor221, with a slower connection, but wants to set one up anyway |
| 18:10.06 | Patlabor221 | for CVS bandwith isn't that much an issue |
| 18:10.14 | Patlabor221 | it's just how much stuff you want on one machine |
| 18:10.18 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:10.32 | Patlabor221 | and who would do more CVS admining |
| 18:10.47 | Patlabor221 | and I'm on a T1 that's not THAT slow |
| 18:10.57 | Patlabor221 | it's faster then your DSL |
| 18:11.38 | Jormungandr | pat, have you read any howtos on cvs server setup? |
| 18:11.49 | doughecka | not faster than Jormungandr's 100mb connection |
| 18:11.50 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:12.02 | Patlabor221 | some, but they asume I know about *nix stuff, and I'm not that strong on it yet |
| 18:12.06 | Jormungandr | pat's connection is just fine. :) |
| 18:12.15 | Patlabor221 | I got confused realy quickly |
| 18:12.21 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 18:12.26 | Jormungandr | let me get some coffee... brb. |
| 18:12.33 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:14.27 | Chestal | I'm so close to stop runnign my servers |
| 18:14.30 | Chestal | it sucks to play there lately |
| 18:14.43 | Chestal | peopel started to form extremely unfair teams |
| 18:14.50 | Chestal | a tendency that most other servers had for a long time |
| 18:14.54 | doughecka | Jormungandr: ok one more update... :) its the same file, just with a 5 instead of a 4 |
| 18:15.00 | doughecka | Chestal: hehe |
| 18:15.11 | Jormungandr | chestal :( |
| 18:15.14 | Chestal | mayeb I'll implement an auto-kick if a tea is too strong |
| 18:15.28 | Chestal | or even an auto-ban for a day |
| 18:15.31 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 18:15.34 | Jormungandr | just too many people on the teams? |
| 18:15.37 | Chestal | no |
| 18:15.42 | Chestal | but all good ones on one team |
| 18:15.51 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:15.53 | Chestal | and all the newbies on the other |
| 18:15.55 | doughecka | how about a auto even up |
| 18:16.05 | Chestal | peopel shoudl be able to do that themselves |
| 18:16.09 | doughecka | people with huighscores get moved around |
| 18:16.09 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 18:16.18 | Jormungandr | people don't think about it, though. |
| 18:16.26 | Chestal | when a good player joins he should try to join the weaker team |
| 18:16.31 | Chestal | they do |
| 18:16.31 | Jormungandr | we need CTF league servers. |
| 18:16.33 | Chestal | it's onpurpose |
| 18:16.45 | Jormungandr | and a team can build up it's skills. |
| 18:16.53 | Chestal | peopel leave when their team loses, they stay when it's winning |
| 18:16.58 | doughecka | hhe |
| 18:17.00 | Chestal | s/they/and/ |
| 18:17.01 | Jormungandr | yeah. :( |
| 18:17.12 | doughecka | Jormungandr: you got the updated one? :) |
| 18:17.18 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 18:17.19 | doughecka | the updated updated one? |
| 18:17.21 | Jormungandr | thanks. |
| 18:17.21 | Chestal | when the strogner team would at least show some mercy |
| 18:17.22 | doughecka | number 5? |
| 18:17.23 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:17.24 | Chestal | but no |
| 18:17.24 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 18:17.35 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, you could keep a ranking with the auth server |
| 18:17.41 | doughecka | that IS the last spirals |
| 18:17.47 | Chestal | well, I'm off for now, cu |
| 18:17.47 | Patlabor221 | and the server could use that to help ballance the teams |
| 18:17.49 | Patlabor221 | and force it. |
| 18:17.51 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 18:17.56 | Jormungandr | later, chestal. |
| 18:18.03 | doughecka | cya |
| 18:18.21 | doughecka | we need a way for a admin to move a tank to another team |
| 18:18.28 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:18.40 | doughecka | then it would be simple to have a bot observer to move it auto |
| 18:20.08 | Jormungandr | true |
| 18:20.53 | *** join/#bzflag paul (~paulj@itg-gw.cr008.cwt.esat.net) |
| 18:21.44 | Patlabor221 | well realy the server shoudl be abble to add "Players" |
| 18:21.49 | Patlabor221 | and know if they are remote or local |
| 18:22.00 | Patlabor221 | put bot code server side basicly |
| 18:22.12 | Patlabor221 | it woudln't have to hang out in observer |
| 18:22.30 | Patlabor221 | then you coudl have minimum and maximum player options |
| 18:22.36 | Patlabor221 | and a force ballance tema |
| 18:22.39 | Jormungandr | the bot could do a few things, though... be an observer or a player, too. |
| 18:22.46 | Patlabor221 | but theny ou need REALY robust bot code. |
| 18:22.47 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 18:23.04 | Jormungandr | well, if shkoo gets involved, it'd be pretty good stuff. |
| 18:23.05 | Patlabor221 | since you are implying team based operations. |
| 18:23.06 | [TeA|TrEE] | i left 2 times teams because of non aktive |
| 18:23.10 | Jormungandr | oh. |
| 18:23.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | ore was it 3 |
| 18:23.29 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 18:23.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | new server? |
| 18:23.53 | Jormungandr | it's a helix CTF server. |
| 18:24.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | :o9 |
| 18:24.08 | Jormungandr | it changes between helix and basement |
| 18:24.14 | Jormungandr | 2 shot |
| 18:24.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | let me see |
| 18:24.25 | [TeA|TrEE] | i got observer there |
| 18:24.28 | Jormungandr | dragon.org |
| 18:25.03 | [TeA|TrEE] | oh |
| 18:25.07 | [TeA|TrEE] | like xmission |
| 18:25.37 | Jormungandr | we'll put a different map up for CTF, too. |
| 18:25.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | www.dragon.org`? |
| 18:25.54 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9E5045B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:25.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | :) |
| 18:26.31 | Jormungandr | www.dragon.org is just a redirect for now. |
| 18:26.37 | Jormungandr | it'll eventually be my personal home page. |
| 18:28.13 | Jormungandr | it redirects to my portal site. |
| 18:28.59 | Cell | Sunwise? |
| 18:29.44 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 18:30.14 | Cell | whats it all about? |
| 18:30.43 | Jormungandr | it's a spiritual portal. a place for people to talk about spiritual things in a tolerant environment. |
| 18:31.00 | Cell | ah, for example? |
| 18:31.12 | Cell | what are spiritual things? |
| 18:32.18 | Jormungandr | anything that brings you closer to what you perceive God is (or Goddess). |
| 18:32.37 | Cell | oh, kewl |
| 18:41.14 | doughecka | ~secretplace |
| 18:42.17 | [TeA|TrEE] | hui |
| 18:52.34 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 18:52.42 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 18:52.45 | doughecka | lol |
| 18:54.12 | doughecka | honk |
| 18:54.18 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:54.19 | Jormungandr | I should change passwrod on dragon... |
| 18:54.41 | doughecka | how would I make people use the upper places more on spirals? |
| 18:55.06 | Jormungandr | if you had flag patch, you could have flags spawn up there. |
| 18:55.06 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:55.08 | doughecka | would you host it? |
| 18:55.11 | Patlabor221 | set the ground on fire |
| 18:55.11 | doughecka | Jormungandr: hmm |
| 18:55.12 | Jormungandr | yes. |
| 18:55.17 | doughecka | Patlabor221: haha |
| 18:55.29 | doughecka | Patlabor221: I could pyramids on the ground, lots |
| 18:55.29 | Patlabor221 | see that's why we need that abiitlty to have explicid spawns |
| 18:55.32 | Patlabor221 | in the map |
| 18:55.35 | doughecka | ? |
| 18:55.37 | Patlabor221 | that's kinda lame |
| 18:55.42 | doughecka | it is |
| 18:55.46 | Patlabor221 | explicid spawns |
| 18:55.50 | doughecka | whats that? |
| 18:55.59 | Patlabor221 | you put a thing in the mop that says "spawn this here, this often" |
| 18:56.10 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:56.16 | Patlabor221 | so like you put a lazer or a SW up there |
| 18:56.30 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:56.34 | Patlabor221 | that would take a lot of work |
| 18:56.39 | doughecka | and GM in the center of the map |
| 18:56.41 | Patlabor221 | since spawning is "odd" now |
| 18:56.43 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:56.48 | doughecka | how about tank spawning? |
| 18:56.58 | doughecka | I would like tanks to spawn in the air and on buildings and stuff |
| 18:57.03 | doughecka | like specter |
| 18:57.03 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it's calced by a singe authoritive entiy. |
| 18:57.04 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:57.12 | doughecka | with a oof when it lands |
| 18:57.13 | Jormungandr | oh... or a tank spawning zone on second level |
| 18:57.20 | doughecka | Jormungandr: yah |
| 18:57.26 | Jormungandr | there was a talk of that kind of patch.. tank spawning. |
| 18:57.34 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:57.39 | doughecka | and flags too |
| 18:57.42 | doughecka | there IS a patch |
| 18:57.42 | Jormungandr | oh |
| 18:57.44 | Patlabor221 | that just changed the algo |
| 18:57.45 | doughecka | on sf |
| 18:57.55 | Patlabor221 | they arn't explicid |
| 18:58.04 | Jormungandr | make ctf version and only way to get to the team platforms is to go up top |
| 18:58.13 | doughecka | yes |
| 18:58.17 | Patlabor221 | explicid spawns woudl require a new map ent. |
| 18:58.19 | doughecka | on what level though? |
| 18:58.29 | doughecka | 1st level or 2nd? |
| 18:58.34 | doughecka | 4 users? or 2? |
| 18:58.47 | Jormungandr | have it be a slight fall from 1st level? |
| 18:58.56 | doughecka | hmm, yea |
| 18:58.57 | Jormungandr | 4 |
| 18:59.07 | doughecka | and make it so people cant get to the 1st level from the bases |
| 18:59.15 | doughecka | so they cant just run back and forth |
| 18:59.19 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:59.25 | Jormungandr | and shockwave works n the bases |
| 18:59.45 | doughecka | Patlabor221: what version has the fixed bases in bzedit? |
| 18:59.48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:00.05 | doughecka | aha |
| 19:00.10 | doughecka | I have the perfect spot |
| 19:00.28 | doughecka | in the corners, under the pyramids |
| 19:00.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:00.35 | doughecka | I have a platform there allready :) |
| 19:00.59 | Jormungandr | just remove the pyramid? |
| 19:01.09 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:01.11 | doughecka | remove it? |
| 19:01.21 | Jormungandr | or on top of pyramid? |
| 19:01.29 | doughecka | inside the pyramid |
| 19:01.30 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:01.33 | Jormungandr | you don't want them to be able to get to platform from the ground. |
| 19:01.35 | Jormungandr | ummm |
| 19:01.37 | doughecka | but that wont work |
| 19:01.39 | Jormungandr | won't work on all clients |
| 19:01.42 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:01.47 | Jormungandr | like mine :( |
| 19:01.50 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:02.34 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:02.40 | doughecka | the edit gives up if I delete something |
| 19:02.44 | doughecka | editor* |
| 19:02.45 | Jormungandr | I had to hand edit the map file afterward, because all the base things were wrong. |
| 19:02.52 | Jormungandr | editor is evil. |
| 19:02.53 | doughecka | hmm, ok |
| 19:02.55 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:03.03 | Jormungandr | maybe delete them by hand first, then edit? |
| 19:03.07 | Jormungandr | brb |
| 19:03.19 | doughecka | nah |
| 19:04.53 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:04.58 | doughecka | Patlabor221: a nasty bug in bzedit |
| 19:05.20 | doughecka | if you quit and it asks you if you want to save and click yes, it saves an empty file |
| 19:05.20 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:05.56 | Jormungandr | eek |
| 19:06.03 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:06.11 | doughecka | happened to me twice |
| 19:08.10 | Jormungandr | you need to put platforms a little higher, so that they can't jump on them from the path leading to them. |
| 19:08.22 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:08.27 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:08.52 | Jormungandr | and extend the path up on level 1 a bit so they can fall onto platform. |
| 19:09.13 | doughecka | yea, thats fixed in unmber 5 |
| 19:09.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:09.31 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 19:09.37 | doughecka | how about the teleports? |
| 19:09.42 | doughecka | on lvl 1? |
| 19:09.54 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9E5045B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:09.58 | doughecka | I could move them to 2nd lvl and move it around to the corners |
| 19:10.19 | Jormungandr | hrm. that might work. |
| 19:12.35 | Cell | hmm, i have a router with NAT so i thing its not possible to access my port number 80 |
| 19:12.44 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 19:12.54 | Jormungandr | you have to set the router up to forward port 80 |
| 19:12.58 | Jormungandr | to your internal box |
| 19:13.02 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:13.05 | Cell | ah |
| 19:13.26 | Jormungandr | I do that with ssh to my home network. |
| 19:13.46 | Cell | tunnel? |
| 19:14.58 | Cell | do i have to assign static ip's to my machiens |
| 19:15.01 | Cell | ? |
| 19:15.23 | Patlabor221 | are you on a NAT or direct to your DSL router? |
| 19:15.43 | Cell | direct |
| 19:16.03 | Patlabor221 | don't set your machines as DCHP and just give them IPs that are in your routers range |
| 19:16.11 | Patlabor221 | and set the router as gateway and DNS |
| 19:16.24 | Patlabor221 | like 196.0.2.128 or something liket hat |
| 19:16.30 | Cell | but static ip's is nasty |
| 19:16.54 | Patlabor221 | then tell the router to forward all port 8 requests to the machine that is running the web serv |
| 19:17.04 | Patlabor221 | you don't have a static public IP tho |
| 19:17.12 | Patlabor221 | so yo want to get a DNS entry from like no-ip.com |
| 19:17.18 | Patlabor221 | and run there updater |
| 19:17.22 | Patlabor221 | why is static nasty? |
| 19:17.35 | doughecka | ick |
| 19:17.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:17.38 | Cell | i mean DHCP is cool |
| 19:17.50 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:17.51 | Cell | if my father plugs his laptop into the router |
| 19:17.54 | Patlabor221 | or if you have the pimprouter like I do, it will automaticly update dynadns.com for you |
| 19:17.54 | doughecka | static is better |
| 19:18.03 | Patlabor221 | you can still use DHCP for those maachines |
| 19:18.08 | Cell | ah |
| 19:18.13 | Patlabor221 | doug be quitet, nether is better or worse |
| 19:18.22 | Patlabor221 | you just need to set up your web serv as static. |
| 19:18.26 | Patlabor221 | just that one machine |
| 19:18.35 | Patlabor221 | and tell the router that it's the DMZ |
| 19:18.38 | Cell | ah understand |
| 19:18.46 | Patlabor221 | then all unknown ports are sent to that one machine. |
| 19:18.53 | Cell | ok |
| 19:19.08 | doughecka | for hosting stuff its better |
| 19:19.18 | Patlabor221 | for hosting its the only thing you can do |
| 19:19.22 | Patlabor221 | so it's not realy better |
| 19:19.31 | Patlabor221 | as there is nothing that is "worse" |
| 19:19.44 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@216.228.187.207) |
| 19:19.55 | Noodleman | ~seen jzaun |
| 19:19.56 | | jzaun <~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 20h 8m 35s ago, saying: 'ah well, at least I know I wasn't rooted, I'll work on the rest of it tomarrow'. |
| 19:20.19 | doughecka | woo |
| 19:20.22 | Noodleman | hey |
| 19:20.23 | doughecka | Noodleman! |
| 19:20.31 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:20.34 | Cell | a pitty that the router does not use netbios |
| 19:20.37 | Noodleman | if you see jzaun, tell him to check his email |
| 19:20.57 | Noodleman | i want to take over s.b.o |
| 19:21.01 | Patlabor221 | cell netbios dosn't do TCP |
| 19:21.03 | doughecka | ? |
| 19:21.05 | doughecka | sbo? |
| 19:21.12 | Noodleman | when i get my server back up that is :-) |
| 19:21.14 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:21.19 | Patlabor221 | stats.bz.org |
| 19:21.20 | Noodleman | stats.bzflag.org |
| 19:21.25 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:21.40 | doughecka | stats.noodleroni.com |
| 19:21.48 | doughecka | ;) |
| 19:21.55 | Noodleman | no, it would still be stats.bzflag.org |
| 19:21.56 | Patlabor221 | well if you doo noodle, make sure you straighten up the cop program |
| 19:22.03 | doughecka | yah |
| 19:22.03 | Noodleman | i certainly will |
| 19:22.05 | Patlabor221 | it just just point to his site, |
| 19:22.32 | Noodleman | i want to make bzcops have accountability |
| 19:22.55 | Patlabor221 | and give them a public forum somehwere |
| 19:22.58 | doughecka | and private |
| 19:22.59 | Noodleman | yes |
| 19:23.08 | Patlabor221 | I allways thought it was lame that they were using the news poster as a message board |
| 19:23.17 | Patlabor221 | the keystone bzcops |
| 19:23.23 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:23.26 | Noodleman | i've been lurking on fiber's forum long enough to know the needs |
| 19:23.28 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:23.33 | Patlabor221 | very cool |
| 19:23.39 | doughecka | ok doke Jormungandr |
| 19:23.43 | Jormungandr | servers need to log |
| 19:23.46 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:23.47 | doughecka | Jormungandr: spiralsctf |
| 19:23.52 | Jormungandr | so I can track what's going on. |
| 19:23.59 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:24.00 | Noodleman | bzfs -d |
| 19:24.00 | doughecka | ~dragon |
| 19:24.07 | Noodleman | that logs to stdout |
| 19:24.13 | doughecka | or -d -d -d -d :) |
| 19:24.16 | Jormungandr | does that also log kills, msgs, etc? |
| 19:24.18 | Patlabor221 | and maybe I can work with you when I set up my centeral authorisation and permsisions server to make a cop group |
| 19:24.24 | Noodleman | that's too much info :-) |
| 19:24.31 | Jormungandr | I'll play with it. |
| 19:24.45 | Noodleman | it doesn't log kills, but it does log msgs, and log ins/outs |
| 19:24.46 | Jormungandr | full url again, doug? |
| 19:25.00 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/spiralsdone6CTF.map |
| 19:25.09 | Noodleman | i just hope jzaun hasn't deleted anything yet |
| 19:25.12 | Jormungandr | I want to see when people /password, and when people are /kicked and /banned |
| 19:25.13 | doughecka | spirals 6.0 CTF |
| 19:25.25 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:25.30 | doughecka | Jormungandr: ah |
| 19:26.21 | Patlabor221 | jorm, was there a patch that did that? |
| 19:26.40 | doughecka | there was a thing that logged everthing to a IRC channel |
| 19:26.40 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ | <Patlabor221> ok so maybe I should not have eaten an entire pot of mashed potatos |
| 19:26.43 | Jormungandr | I think so. I'm gunna see what -d does, though. |
| 19:26.50 | doughecka | captain_proton: did he really say that? |
| 19:26.55 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@216.228.187.207) |
| 19:26.58 | doughecka | Noodleman! |
| 19:27.04 | Patlabor221 | want me to add an -adminLog feature? |
| 19:27.06 | doughecka | Noodleman: :) |
| 19:27.09 | Jormungandr | yes, he really said that :) |
| 19:27.10 | Noodleman | irc cr04x0red :-) |
| 19:27.14 | doughecka | LOL |
| 19:27.30 | Jormungandr | pat, yes :) |
| 19:27.34 | doughecka | I could eat a whole pot of potatos |
| 19:27.34 | jraitala | hello |
| 19:27.39 | doughecka | jraitala: hi |
| 19:27.42 | Noodleman | lo |
| 19:27.43 | Jormungandr | I love mashed potatoes. |
| 19:27.50 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:28.06 | Noodleman | same here, but even better is tortellini al pesto :-P'' |
| 19:28.13 | Jormungandr | I'm gunna test that map on a different port, and not put it on the list yet.. just so I can play with the -d options. |
| 19:28.24 | doughecka | hah |
| 19:28.34 | doughecka | Jormungandr: ok, I wanna test it too |
| 19:28.40 | Noodleman | i'm hungry |
| 19:28.42 | doughecka | Jormungandr: what port, on dragon? |
| 19:28.42 | Noodleman | heh |
| 19:28.47 | doughecka | Noodleman: I am hungry too |
| 19:28.47 | Jormungandr | dunno yet. :) |
| 19:28.50 | doughecka | k |
| 19:28.52 | Jormungandr | just setting it up now. |
| 19:28.55 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:29.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hows life? |
| 19:29.31 | Patlabor221 | life? |
| 19:29.37 | doughecka | what life? |
| 19:29.41 | Patlabor221 | more of an undeath |
| 19:29.48 | doughecka | hehe |
| 19:30.16 | doughecka | Noodleman: you have your server up? |
| 19:30.29 | doughecka | Noodleman: I am gonna make a new map. |
| 19:30.30 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:30.34 | Noodleman | nope, was swapping some parts out, it should be up soon |
| 19:30.38 | doughecka | Jormungandr: whoops |
| 19:30.49 | doughecka | Jormungandr: forgot the fix the bases in that map |
| 19:31.05 | *** join/#bzflag faz (~faz@M288P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 19:31.34 | doughecka | Jormungandr: download the map again, it has the bases setup correctly :) |
| 19:31.34 | Noodleman | d347h t0 5cr1p7 k1dd13z! |
| 19:31.52 | Noodleman | i need a cluebat... |
| 19:32.08 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:32.12 | doughecka | I could read that |
| 19:32.13 | doughecka | sad... |
| 19:32.19 | Noodleman | i'm registering cluebat.org :-) |
| 19:32.22 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:32.27 | doughecka | for 10 bucks? |
| 19:32.29 | doughecka | ;) |
| 19:32.38 | Noodleman | no, 25 through my company |
| 19:32.48 | doughecka | ick, thats expensive |
| 19:32.50 | doughecka | why? |
| 19:33.06 | doughecka | http://www.godaddy.com $8 per year |
| 19:33.07 | Noodleman | no like 70 through verisign >-P |
| 19:33.19 | doughecka | my dad uses godaddy, Patlabor221 does too |
| 19:33.21 | Noodleman | i know about that |
| 19:33.23 | Patlabor221 | verisign blows |
| 19:33.24 | Jormungandr | base was not defined for team 1 capture the flag game style removed. |
| 19:33.35 | doughecka | Jormungandr: download again :) I fixed it |
| 19:33.40 | Patlabor221 | I register thru godaddy, then have no-ip.com host the DNS |
| 19:33.45 | Noodleman | i can tell you lots of stories about verisign :-) |
| 19:33.50 | doughecka | Noodleman: lol |
| 19:33.52 | doughecka | Jormungandr: http://heck.no-ip.com/spiralsdone6CTF.map |
| 19:34.01 | doughecka | Jormungandr: fergot about the silly bases |
| 19:34.25 | doughecka | Patlabor221: you hear about the bug in bzedit? if you quit and it asks if you want to save, it saves an empty file |
| 19:34.49 | Patlabor221 | and the map has stuff in it? |
| 19:34.54 | Patlabor221 | or is the map empty? |
| 19:34.57 | Noodleman | my sister ate all of the extra large pizza i got |
| 19:35.05 | Noodleman | i only got about half! :-) |
| 19:35.05 | doughecka | Patlabor221: the file is emtpy, poof, nothing at all |
| 19:35.16 | doughecka | Noodleman: only half? |
| 19:35.18 | Patlabor221 | but is tehre stuff in the editor? |
| 19:35.20 | doughecka | Noodleman: bummer |
| 19:35.23 | Noodleman | she ate two pieces for crying out loud! |
| 19:35.24 | doughecka | Patlabor221: nope |
| 19:35.26 | Patlabor221 | or is the editor empty too |
| 19:35.26 | captain_proton | wonderful |
| 19:35.34 | captain_proton | spiff is suggesting (again) that the bzcops need more power |
| 19:35.46 | Jormungandr | base was not defined for team 4 capture the flag game style removed. |
| 19:35.48 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmm, I have a map, I quit with stuff not saved, and it makes a file all empty |
| 19:35.52 | Jormungandr | I'll hand edit it. |
| 19:35.56 | Cell | who's the site that offers the many bzflag themes? |
| 19:36.00 | Noodleman | i think they need more accountability, the power can come later |
| 19:36.02 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~bzedit win |
| 19:36.04 | doughecka | Jormungandr: hmm? |
| 19:36.12 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~bzedit win32 |
| 19:36.14 | Patlabor221 | that's not a bug, you had a dirty doc. you must have added something, then removed it, then closed, the doc was dirty, so it asked if you wanted to save teh dirty doc. The map didn't have any ents tho so it's empty |
| 19:36.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~bzedit |
| 19:36.20 | | it has been said that bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 19:36.28 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmm |
| 19:36.36 | Patlabor221 | it did what you told it to do |
| 19:36.42 | doughecka | Jormungandr: odd... |
| 19:36.43 | Patlabor221 | you told it to save an empty map |
| 19:36.47 | Patlabor221 | so it did. |
| 19:36.48 | doughecka | Patlabor221: oh.... |
| 19:36.56 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmm, thats not how other programs work |
| 19:37.17 | Patlabor221 | I should not set the dirty flag if the map is empty tho. |
| 19:37.23 | Patlabor221 | that would be an enhancement |
| 19:37.26 | doughecka | Patlabor221: just change the lable to "do you want to save an empty map" and call it a feature |
| 19:37.35 | Patlabor221 | that takes more work |
| 19:37.38 | doughecka | huh |
| 19:38.07 | Patlabor221 | don't make empty maps and you'll be ok. |
| 19:38.27 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:38.31 | Jormungandr | remember that color 0 is not valid. it's 1-4 |
| 19:38.33 | Jormungandr | not 0-3 |
| 19:38.39 | doughecka | Jormungandr: oh.. :) |
| 19:38.46 | doughecka | Jormungandr: I thought it was diferent |
| 19:38.48 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:38.56 | Jormungandr | port 5355 dragon.org |
| 19:39.00 | doughecka | ok |
| 19:41.19 | Jormungandr | does goes NR |
| 19:41.20 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:41.50 | Jormungandr | wow.. -d is usable |
| 19:42.02 | Jormungandr | I can see ips, etc. |
| 19:42.10 | Jormungandr | I can prolly even add them to firewall :) |
| 19:42.17 | Jormungandr | when I can't ban them. |
| 19:43.55 | Jormungandr | I should write a shell script to run various maps with the -admin log option |
| 19:51.09 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~dragon |
| 19:55.50 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE]_ (~Nicholas@pD9E94AEA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:59.49 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 19:59.50 | doughecka | greetings |
| 19:59.54 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:00.02 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:00.08 | Jormungandr | Player bzdoug [1]: /password HAHAHAHA< I AM CHACKERERERERERSZZZZ |
| 20:00.22 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:00.48 | Jormungandr | so.. if someone joins, and they are a jerk in the logs, I can get their ip and ban them. |
| 20:00.59 | doughecka | cool |
| 20:01.04 | Jormungandr | that helps. |
| 20:01.56 | Jormungandr | I also want to try a brave thing... I want to try to set up bzfs so it runs in a chrooted shell. |
| 20:02.10 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: should work fine |
| 20:02.15 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 20:02.18 | captain_proton | you could even just bare chroot bzfs |
| 20:02.25 | captain_proton | no need to chroot a shell along with it |
| 20:02.28 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:02.38 | Jormungandr | I'll set that up. |
| 20:02.52 | doughecka | I need a random tree generator |
| 20:02.54 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:03.01 | doughecka | and random pyramid generator |
| 20:03.23 | Jormungandr | afk for a bit. back in 15-20m |
| 20:03.26 | Jormungandr | & |
| 20:03.48 | doughecka | k |
| 20:08.08 | doughecka | Jormungandr: maps fixed |
| 20:08.44 | doughecka | can I have multipul bases of the same color? |
| 20:15.40 | doughecka | lo ham |
| 20:20.12 | *** join/#bzflag michaelh20 (Mouse@178-62.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 20:23.36 | Jormungandr | no.. I don't think it's allowed. |
| 20:23.41 | Jormungandr | you can try. |
| 20:23.43 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:23.44 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:23.51 | doughecka | Jormungandr: got the new map? |
| 20:23.53 | doughecka | fixed? |
| 20:24.24 | Jormungandr | not yet. |
| 20:24.29 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 20:24.33 | doughecka | k |
| 20:24.36 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:24.55 | doughecka | that the new map? or the one that was there before |
| 20:25.57 | Jormungandr | next time fix base 0 ;) |
| 20:26.04 | Jormungandr | that is helix |
| 20:26.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:26.12 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:26.16 | doughecka | I think I fixed it |
| 20:26.26 | Jormungandr | nope I had ot hand edit again. :) |
| 20:26.31 | doughecka | yup |
| 20:26.36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:26.42 | doughecka | I fixed it after you fixed it |
| 20:26.43 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:27.00 | Jormungandr | different address? |
| 20:27.07 | Jormungandr | this is same. teleports under. |
| 20:27.16 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:27.16 | doughecka | no |
| 20:27.18 | doughecka | its a 7 |
| 20:27.19 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:27.32 | Jormungandr | oh. grrr. |
| 20:27.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:31.16 | Cell | who wants to get his map prerendered: themes are, Dessert, Happy, Ocean, Semi-goth ? |
| 20:31.23 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:32.05 | Cell | i need to automat that over the web |
| 20:32.21 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:32.34 | doughecka | hook it up to jzaun's php thingy |
| 20:32.36 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | lala |
| 20:32.43 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | ê |
| 20:32.43 | doughecka | no radar view, have a 3d render |
| 20:33.07 | Jormungandr | looking at new map |
| 20:33.18 | doughecka | Jormungandr: ok, I am making a new map :) |
| 20:33.23 | doughecka | brand new |
| 20:33.37 | Cell | cool let me render it when its finished |
| 20:35.21 | doughecka | hehe |
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| 20:36.34 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 20:38.57 | Jormungandr | I'll work on security and logging later on. |
| 20:39.48 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:39.52 | doughecka | ~dragon |
| 20:40.04 | doughecka | wow |
| 20:40.13 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 20:40.20 | Jormungandr | helix is a popular map. |
| 20:40.23 | doughecka | problem with CTF is if there is 2 people, its not fun and they leave |
| 20:40.29 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:40.36 | doughecka | so people would have to pile on all at the same time |
| 20:40.40 | doughecka | so play |
| 20:40.42 | doughecka | to* |
| 20:40.57 | Jormungandr | I have to go to work in 30m |
| 20:41.07 | doughecka | hehe |
| 20:41.22 | Jormungandr | I need to restart both servers for logging, though. |
| 20:41.29 | Jormungandr | so I will wait til dragon is dead again. |
| 20:41.32 | Jormungandr | and restart it. |
| 20:41.40 | Jormungandr | maybe you can help me test the chroot later. |
| 20:41.47 | doughecka | k |
| 20:42.54 | doughecka | 2 of them for this CTF |
| 20:43.07 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 20:43.37 | doughecka | I hate doing links though |
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| 20:45.38 | doughecka | hey TimRiker! |
| 20:45.45 | doughecka | boy, have we been waiting for you |
| 20:45.56 | Patlabor221 | urp... |
| 20:46.04 | doughecka | :) |
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| 20:48.12 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I wonder if we could make a text mode BZFlag |
| 20:48.21 | Patlabor221 | "you see a tank infront of you" |
| 20:48.55 | doughecka | ugh |
| 20:49.05 | doughecka | impossible |
| 20:51.30 | captain_proton | "you see a number of boxes, all alike" |
| 20:51.53 | doughecka | "you see 200 flags" |
| 20:52.02 | Secret_Hamster | "you're dead. start again?" |
| 20:52.20 | Patlabor221 | "you missed" |
| 20:52.28 | captain_proton | "you are about to be eaten by a grue" |
| 20:52.31 | TimRiker | "you hit a building" |
| 20:52.34 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 20:52.43 | Patlabor221 | "somone is cheating near you" |
| 20:52.43 | Jormungandr | can't chroot bzfs.. it builds dynamic binary |
| 20:52.47 | doughecka | "you give up and march off to wonderfull 3d" |
| 20:52.49 | Jormungandr | not static |
| 20:53.03 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: so hardlink the libraries you need into the chroot jail |
| 20:53.05 | jraitala | jormungandr: just copy the needed libs to the jail |
| 20:53.05 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: you can chroot, just add the libs it needs. |
| 20:53.22 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: or add -static to the link line. ;-) |
| 20:53.22 | faz | you can compile with -static |
| 20:53.26 | Jormungandr | not sure which ones they are... will play with later. |
| 20:53.28 | Jormungandr | true |
| 20:53.34 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: ldd `which bzfs` |
| 20:53.36 | TimRiker | ldd bin/bzfs |
| 20:53.40 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 20:53.46 | Patlabor221 | Tim there has been a number of people with good reasosn to pull the Pyramid colision fix untill the next protocol busting release |
| 20:53.55 | Secret_Hamster | "you have fired a bullet, are you sure. press 'y' to continue" |
| 20:54.15 | Patlabor221 | mostly the fact that old versions will still go thru, so they woudl be considerd "cheating" |
| 20:54.18 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: anything that can't be "fixed" by inverting the pyramids on the map? |
| 20:54.22 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmm, I think we should hold back the fix till we break the map format |
| 20:54.27 | Patlabor221 | the old versions |
| 20:54.34 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 20:54.44 | Patlabor221 | you would have inconsistent behavor on a compatable version |
| 20:55.03 | Patlabor221 | I say put it off 1 release, and add a flag in the map that lets it be drive thur |
| 20:55.22 | Patlabor221 | then I can add an update feature to bzedit to set teh flag based on the old Z logic if the map maker wants |
| 20:55.30 | doughecka | yea! |
| 20:55.33 | TimRiker | no flag on the map. inverting the pyramid should do that anyway. |
| 20:55.41 | Patlabor221 | but that would screw normals |
| 20:55.50 | Patlabor221 | why not make it a real feature, not a hack |
| 20:55.52 | doughecka | TimRiker: inverting? |
| 20:55.55 | TimRiker | so screw normals. ;-) |
| 20:56.01 | Patlabor221 | lighting woudl be messed up |
| 20:56.21 | Patlabor221 | I don't like hacks when they can be features |
| 20:56.30 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:56.45 | doughecka | I dont like bugs that can be features |
| 20:56.47 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see shoot thru and drive thru optiopn |
| 20:56.53 | Patlabor221 | on any object |
| 20:56.56 | TimRiker | I'm not sure that drivethrough buildings should be supported at all. they are not intuitive, and the game should be. |
| 20:57.19 | doughecka | TimRiker: drive through buildings on only blocks that are .01 off the ground |
| 20:57.27 | doughecka | on/are |
| 20:57.27 | Patlabor221 | well if you could set texutres you may want to make something that looks transpernat, but is drive thur but not not shoot thru like a force field. |
| 20:57.36 | Patlabor221 | doug, be quiet |
| 20:57.37 | TimRiker | doughecka: that will get "fixed" eventually. |
| 20:57.42 | doughecka | Patlabor221: oooh :) |
| 20:57.43 | doughecka | TimRiker: heh |
| 20:57.54 | Patlabor221 | I am looking at maximum map flexibility |
| 20:58.20 | Patlabor221 | if you can't change texttures, you could make drive thru and shoot thru objects transpernat |
| 20:58.27 | Patlabor221 | or some other effect. |
| 20:58.37 | TimRiker | perhaps. |
| 20:58.52 | Patlabor221 | or if you don't want to support them, don't say do the neg scale thing |
| 20:59.02 | Patlabor221 | just don't support them |
| 20:59.18 | Patlabor221 | but know a number of current maps will not work as they used to. |
| 20:59.53 | Patlabor221 | but I think the largest thing now, is the fact that old clients will behave difrent. |
| 20:59.54 | TimRiker | +z boxes drive through is a bug. inverted objects are also a bug for now. |
| 21:00.16 | TimRiker | transparent objects might be added in some future version. |
| 21:00.21 | Patlabor221 | then I would make all objects fully solid in the next procoll breaking version |
| 21:00.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:00.38 | doughecka | how about reflective objects? |
| 21:00.40 | TimRiker | I can see the logic it putting off the "fix" till the protocol breakage. |
| 21:01.16 | Patlabor221 | yes, I agree that it's a bug, and have been trying to convice the nay sayers that it was never a supported feature |
| 21:01.20 | Patlabor221 | doug, like what? |
| 21:01.27 | TimRiker | if someone wants to break it again... leave the correct code in there with a FIXME comment and we'll put it back in the protcol breakage version. |
| 21:01.28 | Patlabor221 | reflections take more rendering poser |
| 21:01.39 | doughecka | like mirrors or just have building slightly reflective |
| 21:01.52 | doughecka | yea, have it be able to disable it |
| 21:01.59 | Patlabor221 | that means an extra rendering pass for each shinny surface |
| 21:02.13 | TimRiker | multiple for multiple reflections. |
| 21:02.18 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:02.20 | Patlabor221 | my model classes can support an environ map, it looks limiler |
| 21:02.22 | Patlabor221 | similar |
| 21:02.26 | doughecka | have it an option... :) |
| 21:02.27 | Patlabor221 | but is a lot cheaper |
| 21:02.33 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:02.35 | Patlabor221 | what woudl it add? |
| 21:02.43 | TimRiker | ie: if you expect to see the tank reflection and then be able to shoot it with laser, you would need to do n reflections. |
| 21:02.45 | doughecka | slickness |
| 21:02.46 | Patlabor221 | all new features need to add someting, or fix something |
| 21:02.53 | Patlabor221 | offta |
| 21:02.53 | doughecka | TimRiker: yea |
| 21:03.03 | doughecka | ;) |
| 21:03.10 | Patlabor221 | that's lots of calcs |
| 21:03.18 | Patlabor221 | so is reflections of reflections |
| 21:03.28 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 21:03.30 | TimRiker | too many for most current hardware. |
| 21:03.36 | Patlabor221 | there are many more features that would be better implemnted first too |
| 21:03.45 | doughecka | this will be added along with water, fog, smoke, rain, and snow |
| 21:04.04 | Patlabor221 | you can fake all those with out true refelctions |
| 21:04.13 | Patlabor221 | and make them be fast and look good enough |
| 21:04.24 | doughecka | like 1.8 |
| 21:04.34 | Patlabor221 | you know why it takes soo long for you to render those MAX and POVray things? |
| 21:04.46 | doughecka | yup |
| 21:04.47 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 just had particle systems. theywould not be too hard to implement |
| 21:04.55 | doughecka | reflections |
| 21:04.56 | Patlabor221 | you can't do that type of rendering real time. |
| 21:05.22 | TimRiker | something I had pondered is a reflection like feature on the teleporters. ie: a "see through" alpha blended image. |
| 21:05.32 | doughecka | TimRiker: hmmm |
| 21:05.41 | Cell | that would be costly |
| 21:05.50 | TimRiker | but again, a lot of power would be needed. |
| 21:06.08 | Cell | portal rendering |
| 21:06.15 | Cell | would do that |
| 21:06.18 | TimRiker | I'd like some way to "see" where a teleporter goes. |
| 21:06.24 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:06.34 | doughecka | maybe radar? |
| 21:06.50 | TimRiker | might draw a connection on the radar for the "nearest" near teleporter |
| 21:06.50 | doughecka | you go near a teleport and its link would glow on the radar |
| 21:07.11 | TimRiker | ah. glowing target. that's a Good Idea. |
| 21:07.39 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:08.06 | Cell | i quess you are going to use bsp trees for collision detection in 1.8 |
| 21:08.17 | doughecka | was |
| 21:08.29 | Patlabor221 | I want to put sirens on the teleporters, so when you are in the "HOT zone" of a porter, the sirens on the src and dest sides turn on :) |
| 21:08.37 | Cell | i mean a coarser mesh for coll detection |
| 21:08.37 | Patlabor221 | and flash rotating lights :) |
| 21:08.43 | doughecka | sirens? |
| 21:08.47 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:08.50 | Patlabor221 | cell 1.8 is dead |
| 21:09.07 | doughecka | how about if you stay in the teleporters zone too long, it teleports you anyway |
| 21:09.11 | Cell | dead, what does that mean? |
| 21:09.20 | Patlabor221 | dead = no longer active |
| 21:09.20 | doughecka | Cell: not being worked on |
| 21:09.22 | Patlabor221 | not being worked on |
| 21:09.27 | Cell | oh |
| 21:09.37 | doughecka | Cell: history in the book of bzflag |
| 21:09.39 | Patlabor221 | the next versions will be built from the 1.7 base with enhancements |
| 21:09.41 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: for everyone to see? or just you? |
| 21:09.48 | Patlabor221 | I say everyone |
| 21:10.00 | doughecka | yea, so STs can be annoyed by them |
| 21:10.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:10.09 | Patlabor221 | be kinda neat to see that a porter is activating, but you don't know who is coming out :) |
| 21:10.18 | doughecka | ooh, yea |
| 21:10.51 | Patlabor221 | coudl have it play a low klaxon, and say "incoming transport" |
| 21:11.04 | doughecka | and have someway to see a transparent tank rocket from one teleprot to another |
| 21:11.05 | TimRiker | that would be nice. you get to see the "target" but everyone knows you might be coming through. |
| 21:11.22 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 21:11.27 | Patlabor221 | target? |
| 21:11.36 | TimRiker | "target" teleporter |
| 21:11.39 | Patlabor221 | ahh yes |
| 21:11.46 | Patlabor221 | if it's in your view |
| 21:11.48 | doughecka | hmm, patches welcome |
| 21:11.54 | doughecka | and on radar |
| 21:12.04 | TimRiker | well, it would glow on the radar and make 3d noise. |
| 21:12.04 | Patlabor221 | yes radar that's a good idea |
| 21:12.10 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:12.15 | doughecka | TimRiker: a sonic boom |
| 21:12.22 | Patlabor221 | would help make ports more intutive |
| 21:12.32 | Patlabor221 | you could hang in the hot spot and see what else flashes |
| 21:12.36 | doughecka | but have it a server option |
| 21:12.38 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:12.48 | Patlabor221 | actualy I would make it a cilent option |
| 21:12.56 | Patlabor221 | send the data for the event anyway |
| 21:12.59 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:13.05 | Patlabor221 | server dosn't realy care |
| 21:13.07 | doughecka | thats a better way |
| 21:13.07 | TimRiker | no data is required. |
| 21:13.12 | doughecka | TimRiker: indeed |
| 21:13.19 | TimRiker | clients know where other tanks are. |
| 21:13.22 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:13.27 | Patlabor221 | this is ture |
| 21:13.29 | doughecka | and where teleports go |
| 21:13.46 | TimRiker | in future versions when we send less frequent updates for "distant" tanks, there would need to be a server check. |
| 21:13.46 | doughecka | so it would be a trully neat client hack :) |
| 21:13.47 | Patlabor221 | it would be more accurate if the client sent a "i'm in a hotspot" message |
| 21:13.49 | Patlabor221 | but that's more data |
| 21:14.00 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:14.21 | doughecka | I like the flashing lights too |
| 21:14.30 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:14.32 | Patlabor221 | or full of something eles |
| 21:14.35 | Patlabor221 | not sure yet |
| 21:14.42 | doughecka | evilness |
| 21:14.53 | Patlabor221 | well that is a given |
| 21:15.02 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:15.52 | Cell | i make a map with 3d studio |
| 21:16.06 | Patlabor221 | did it export properly? |
| 21:16.28 | Patlabor221 | and how does max handle links? |
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| 21:16.45 | Cell | links are links |
| 21:16.48 | doughecka | Noodleman_! |
| 21:16.55 | Cell | max can link objects |
| 21:16.55 | Noodleman_ | hey |
| 21:16.59 | Patlabor221 | does it render them? |
| 21:17.16 | Patlabor221 | and how does it handle each side of the teleporter? |
| 21:17.17 | Cell | links arent rendered |
| 21:17.35 | Patlabor221 | I don't think MAX links are like BZ teleport links. |
| 21:17.49 | Patlabor221 | since they arn't "this object to this object" |
| 21:17.58 | Cell | right |
| 21:17.59 | Patlabor221 | and they are not bi-directional |
| 21:18.06 | Cell | it needs some scripting |
| 21:18.11 | Patlabor221 | so how does it handle and edit those? |
| 21:18.25 | Cell | you can assign properties |
| 21:18.30 | Cell | to objects |
| 21:18.42 | Cell | scripted objects are easy to do |
| 21:18.52 | Patlabor221 | so you a link is an ivisible object with properties, I see |
| 21:18.53 | *** join/#bzflag michaelh20 (Mouse@179-186.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 21:18.55 | Patlabor221 | interesting |
| 21:19.00 | Patlabor221 | not optimal, but interesting. |
| 21:19.03 | Cell | i did not done that |
| 21:19.16 | Patlabor221 | oh so you don't do links yet then |
| 21:19.19 | Cell | until know i only have an import script |
| 21:19.30 | Cell | i just had some thoughts |
| 21:19.33 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 21:19.59 | Patlabor221 | what woudl you do in an export script, what if the user made an arbitary mesh, how would you export that? |
| 21:20.03 | Cell | but i could make links visible |
| 21:20.12 | Patlabor221 | and how does it know the difrence between a box mesh and a pyrmaid? |
| 21:20.16 | Cell | i would not export that |
| 21:20.17 | Jormungandr | driving to work, back soon. |
| 21:20.31 | doughecka | k |
| 21:20.46 | Cell | a box is classtype nameOfObject == Box |
| 21:21.03 | Patlabor221 | ohh you jsut set properties for each object I see |
| 21:21.05 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 21:21.08 | Cell | no |
| 21:21.20 | Patlabor221 | well the classtype |
| 21:21.22 | Cell | each object is derived from a class |
| 21:21.31 | Patlabor221 | do you have a button to make like a new box? |
| 21:21.45 | Patlabor221 | and have it automaticly set the boxtype? |
| 21:21.49 | Cell | liek a new box? |
| 21:22.11 | Patlabor221 | yes like if I just wanted to start making bz boxes |
| 21:22.13 | Cell | no you have a button for making a box |
| 21:22.23 | Cell | and a box is of class box |
| 21:22.36 | Cell | and a pyramid is of calss pyramid |
| 21:22.38 | Patlabor221 | the derive off a bzbox? |
| 21:22.49 | Cell | all entities are of calls geometric object |
| 21:22.51 | Patlabor221 | ahh got it |
| 21:23.07 | Patlabor221 | and you can just get there sizes and rotations |
| 21:23.10 | Patlabor221 | and export |
| 21:23.20 | Patlabor221 | you could do a lot of stuff in there that bz does not support |
| 21:23.29 | Cell | bzbox is of class bzbox and bzbox of box and box is of calss geometric object |
| 21:23.31 | Patlabor221 | worlds most expensive map editor |
| 21:23.39 | doughecka | hahaha |
| 21:23.58 | Patlabor221 | but it would make nice pictures |
| 21:24.03 | doughecka | if it was UT, that would be diferent |
| 21:24.27 | Patlabor221 | UT quake and all those things sorta suport arbitary geo |
| 21:24.33 | Cell | you can create your own object types by either extending already existing objects like a box or you could create a new type from scrathch |
| 21:24.53 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:24.54 | Cell | pretty the same as MFC |
| 21:24.56 | Patlabor221 | I gatherd that, but how does a user make stuff for your scipt |
| 21:25.15 | Patlabor221 | how do they make something the scrip will know is a box to export |
| 21:25.18 | Patlabor221 | just new box |
| 21:25.27 | Cell | he uses only the objects from the category BZFlag |
| 21:25.30 | Patlabor221 | or like a teleporter, how do they make one of those |
| 21:25.45 | Patlabor221 | so your script adds new elements to the list in max? |
| 21:25.47 | Cell | if he used other objects too they are not exported |
| 21:25.53 | Cell | yes |
| 21:25.55 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 21:25.59 | Patlabor221 | makes sense now |
| 21:26.04 | Cell | :) |
| 21:26.06 | Patlabor221 | been a LONG time since I used max |
| 21:26.14 | Patlabor221 | I know it has lots of scripting power |
| 21:26.18 | Patlabor221 | I just don't like the interface |
| 21:26.42 | Cell | its pretty cool, you could also use the sdk and c++ instead of script if you need better performance |
| 21:27.04 | Patlabor221 | yes, but power != ease of use all the time |
| 21:27.12 | Cell | true |
| 21:27.13 | Patlabor221 | I found the interface had too much |
| 21:27.22 | Patlabor221 | but then that was like at MaX2 |
| 21:27.27 | Patlabor221 | so they may have changed it |
| 21:27.35 | Cell | but you dont need most |
| 21:27.45 | Patlabor221 | exactly you don't need it, but it was there. |
| 21:27.47 | Cell | to get something you intend to do |
| 21:28.06 | Cell | sure like MFC has everything |
| 21:28.18 | Patlabor221 | yes but it's an API not an app |
| 21:28.27 | Patlabor221 | program users never see MFC |
| 21:28.43 | Patlabor221 | they don't even care what it is, they just have an app that works |
| 21:29.08 | Cell | yes MFC is kewl |
| 21:29.12 | Patlabor221 | you should make a BZ blender import/export script |
| 21:29.21 | Cell | blender? |
| 21:29.35 | Patlabor221 | well MFC is nice for somethings |
| 21:29.44 | Patlabor221 | blender is a free editor |
| 21:30.13 | Cell | its like milkshape? |
| 21:30.21 | Patlabor221 | more powerfull |
| 21:30.27 | Patlabor221 | and open source |
| 21:30.44 | Patlabor221 | but not as simpple an interface |
| 21:30.49 | Patlabor221 | but cross plat |
| 21:30.57 | Cell | i have to try my script in gmax |
| 21:30.58 | doughecka | hmm, how do I start up a CTF game with only 2 bases? |
| 21:31.53 | Cell | dunno |
| 21:31.57 | doughecka | I have a 2 base map, but it wont allow CTF without 4 bases |
| 21:32.11 | Patlabor221 | does bz support 2 base CTF? |
| 21:32.17 | doughecka | ducati |
| 21:32.20 | Patlabor221 | what woudl the other 2 colors do? |
| 21:32.31 | doughecka | I would disable them |
| 21:32.37 | Patlabor221 | check the help on the server |
| 21:32.39 | doughecka | make the teams 0 total |
| 21:33.30 | doughecka | doesnt say |
| 21:33.40 | doughecka | how does Chestal set it up |
| 21:34.11 | Cell | cipher uses a coarser mesh of the world geometry for collision detection and builds a bsp tree for that purpose of the coarser mesh |
| 21:35.51 | Cell | i think bzflag could do that too, but instead of bsp it could use its old primitives to build the coarser mesh, so it could have arbitrary meshes in the world, but i dont know if that would be easy to do |
| 21:36.42 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:36.44 | doughecka | I see how |
| 21:36.45 | Cell | it would not improve the game fun i think but it would look more modern |
| 21:36.51 | doughecka | -mp 5,5,0,0,0 |
| 21:41.06 | TimRiker | doughecka: looks right. |
| 21:41.11 | doughecka | k |
| 21:41.36 | Cell | Patlabor221: How do you update the news on the bzedit page, you wrote you use a script for that ? |
| 21:42.57 | Patlabor221 | I have an ASP page that accesses a database on the server |
| 21:43.04 | Patlabor221 | and another page that lets me admin it |
| 21:43.07 | Cell | Oh ASP is nice |
| 21:43.11 | Jormungandr | the first field is rogues. |
| 21:43.14 | Patlabor221 | I guess so |
| 21:43.15 | Patlabor221 | I don't use it |
| 21:43.22 | Patlabor221 | I mean I didn't write it |
| 21:43.23 | Jormungandr | so it'd have to be 0,5,5,0,0 |
| 21:43.23 | Cell | i have to use CGI + perl |
| 21:43.25 | doughecka | Jormungandr: hmm? i worked for me |
| 21:43.27 | Patlabor221 | I just use the ting |
| 21:43.34 | Jormungandr | really? hrm. |
| 21:43.39 | Patlabor221 | cell why not asp or php, what is your server? |
| 21:43.51 | doughecka | Jormungandr: yup, I am gonna put the finishing touches on this map and will try it again |
| 21:44.04 | Cell | its @university all Solaris and linux |
| 21:44.32 | Patlabor221 | so they don't have php? |
| 21:44.53 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:45.14 | Cell | oh is php better than perl, im not sure if thex have php, but never used that, have to look |
| 21:46.02 | Noodleman | php and perl have different uses, neither is better |
| 21:46.09 | Noodleman | i use them both :-) |
| 21:46.14 | Cell | ok |
| 21:46.26 | Cell | i know perl a little bit but no php |
| 21:46.40 | Patlabor221 | php is basicly like ASP but not MS specific |
| 21:46.46 | Patlabor221 | you make PHP pages |
| 21:46.50 | Noodleman | well, then learn them both, they r0x0r :-) |
| 21:46.50 | Patlabor221 | like you make ASP pages |
| 21:46.56 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:47.01 | Patlabor221 | pearl can be used for all kinds of things |
| 21:47.04 | Cell | ok, than i should get in easy |
| 21:47.15 | doughecka | Noodleman: so does Qbasic, from a gerbils point of view |
| 21:47.22 | Patlabor221 | hell you could put perl in an ASP page if you wanted. |
| 21:47.29 | Noodleman | perl and php are quite similar in some ways |
| 21:47.31 | Cell | i did |
| 21:47.38 | Noodleman | php borrowed a lot from perl |
| 21:47.38 | Cell | 2-3 years ago |
| 21:47.52 | Noodleman | doughecka: hehe |
| 21:48.11 | Noodleman | i knew quickbasic once :-P |
| 21:48.19 | Noodleman | haven't used it in years tho |
| 21:48.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:48.42 | Cell | i also knew SQL, :) |
| 21:48.45 | doughecka | I learned programming on BASIC |
| 21:48.51 | doughecka | then qbasic |
| 21:48.54 | Cell | and used it with ASP |
| 21:49.08 | doughecka | then I got a gui, and forgot it all |
| 21:49.39 | Cell | but enough babble for me, i have to concentrate |
| 21:50.46 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@mercury.coinet.com) |
| 21:50.52 | doughecka | Noodleman: heh |
| 21:50.53 | Cell | to make a bzflag map |
| 21:51.08 | Noodleman | cr04x0r3d :-) |
| 21:51.26 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:53.44 | Cell | doughecka: i add some palm trees to your level |
| 21:54.25 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:54.37 | doughecka | Noodleman: can you connect to heck.no-ip.com 5155 |
| 21:54.53 | Noodleman | not now, i'm at work :-P |
| 21:55.45 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:55.54 | doughecka | could anyone connect to my server? |
| 21:56.01 | doughecka | I want to try my map out |
| 21:56.21 | Jormungandr | cranking about 1.05 mb between both servers right now. |
| 21:56.48 | Chestal | abend |
| 21:56.53 | Chestal | hi Tim, alive? :-) |
| 21:57.24 | *** join/#bzflag tvon (~tvon@md-frdrck-cmts2a-a-53.shphwv.adelphia.net) |
| 21:57.33 | TimRiker | bash: Tim: command not found |
| 21:57.56 | tvon | WHere are fibers forums>? |
| 21:58.11 | Patlabor221 | we are sorry but Tim_Riker.exe has performed and illegal operation and will be shut down. |
| 21:58.12 | tvon | damn I'm lazy |
| 21:58.16 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:58.23 | Patlabor221 | gc_ePluginDataPath |
| 21:58.26 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.homelinux.org/ |
| 21:58.31 | Patlabor221 | opps on the first one :) |
| 21:58.37 | tvon | Patlabor221: danke |
| 21:58.54 | tvon | whats this Ladder someone mentioned to me? |
| 21:59.16 | TimRiker | it's a think you step on to get up higher. |
| 21:59.20 | TimRiker | er thing. |
| 21:59.23 | doughecka | Jormungandr: that is the rouges |
| 21:59.28 | Patlabor221 | it goes up |
| 21:59.30 | Patlabor221 | or down |
| 21:59.33 | tvon | TimRiker: thank you, very much |
| 21:59.34 | tvon | heh |
| 21:59.36 | doughecka | Jormungandr: 0,5,5,0,0 |
| 21:59.46 | Jormungandr | so, I was right? |
| 21:59.47 | Patlabor221 | perhaps sideways when it's on a truck |
| 21:59.52 | Chestal | Tim: we (I) have some small issues befure we relase g2 |
| 21:59.59 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:00.00 | TimRiker | or flat from building to building. |
| 22:00.11 | Patlabor221 | chestal we have gone over the pyramid thing |
| 22:00.14 | Chestal | Tim: I see that you already discusses the drive-though pyramid thing, and I agree that it should be postponed |
| 22:00.17 | Patlabor221 | he's cool with puiing it |
| 22:00.29 | TimRiker | other issues? |
| 22:00.29 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 22:01.08 | Chestal | Tim: the flag toggle patch, IMHO toggling flags in main window is wrong and should be removed |
| 22:01.11 | Chestal | it's ok on radar |
| 22:01.54 | TimRiker | Chestal: why? |
| 22:02.34 | Chestal | Tim: I see the 3D view as the 'real world', it should not be possible to alter it |
| 22:02.53 | Chestal | or I want to be able to toggle buildings, too |
| 22:03.14 | Chestal | in fact, I don't play enough lately :-) |
| 22:03.25 | TimRiker | I considered that actually, and I find I never play with no 3d flags. |
| 22:03.57 | TimRiker | I think it would work better if they were only "off" when you have a flag, and team flags would never be off. |
| 22:03.58 | Chestal | I see why peopel would like to remove flags from radar, it can get too crowded, especially when you play at low res |
| 22:04.14 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:04.56 | TimRiker | I see that it's not "real", but I think it does add to the interface with the only down side being that folks can't "hide" in a mess of flags. |
| 22:05.04 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:05.19 | Chestal | Tim: and I think Patlabor and MAC share my view |
| 22:05.26 | TimRiker | might have a big fps impact on slow hardware for servers with many flags. |
| 22:05.31 | Chestal | maybe team flags shoudl be visble at all times on radar |
| 22:05.50 | Chestal | on several occasons, peopel accidentally hit 'h' and complained later that the flag was gone |
| 22:05.50 | TimRiker | team flags should probably be visible on both all the time. |
| 22:08.48 | Patlabor221 | yes I don't think you should change teh "real" world |
| 22:09.05 | Patlabor221 | I know of someo people who use masive numbers of flags as obfuscation |
| 22:09.31 | fiberchunks | where's jzaun? |
| 22:09.38 | fiberchunks | anyone seen him online lately? |
| 22:09.48 | Patlabor221 | he was on for abit last night but didn't say anyting |
| 22:09.50 | fiberchunks | and good afternoon, morning, evening, whatever :) |
| 22:09.56 | Patlabor221 | he's pulling stats |
| 22:10.01 | Patlabor221 | noodleman wants to take it over |
| 22:10.02 | fiberchunks | yah, I just read that |
| 22:10.25 | Patlabor221 | why he get haxored so much? |
| 22:10.43 | Noodleman | mandrake on a server? |
| 22:10.57 | Patlabor221 | don't know what distro he was using |
| 22:11.03 | Noodleman | it was mandrake |
| 22:11.04 | fiberchunks | mandrake works fine as a server distro |
| 22:11.25 | Noodleman | did he update when an advisory came out? |
| 22:11.40 | Chestal | Tim: a different issue: you added the target box for roaming; in which roamign mode do you think it should be visible? Only when driving with a tank? |
| 22:11.53 | fiberchunks | that was difficult to get him to do -- I did an update last month, but I haven't updated as of late |
| 22:12.01 | *** join/#bzflag secret_ferret (~piffle@pc2-mfld3-5-cust201.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:12.10 | fiberchunks | not sure if there were any advisories made lately |
| 22:12.45 | TimRiker | large numbers of flags just kills some hardware though. that's a Bad Thing. |
| 22:13.06 | Patlabor221 | not for lan games, and people with good hardware |
| 22:13.17 | Chestal | Tim: same goes with complex maps |
| 22:13.20 | doughecka | fiberchunks: ho |
| 22:13.21 | Patlabor221 | it's mazing what people will do with the things you give them :) |
| 22:13.27 | Chestal | servers with > 50 flags are just ridiculous anyway |
| 22:13.35 | TimRiker | I'd consider hosting stats on the list server pages. |
| 22:13.40 | doughecka | Chestal: lol |
| 22:14.13 | TimRiker | Chestal: yes, roaming box is only on when driving with the tank now. thoughts? |
| 22:14.17 | Patlabor221 | well noodle talked about revamping the cop program and I think that's a good thing |
| 22:14.24 | fiberchunks | yah -- |
| 22:14.32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:14.35 | fiberchunks | what is this about a forum for bzcops? |
| 22:14.51 | Chestal | Tim: righ tnow, it also shows when in free roaming mode |
| 22:15.02 | doughecka | fiberchunks: stats,bzflag.org is down, so we need a way of organizing |
| 22:15.04 | Chestal | Tim: I guess that#s an error, just wasn't sure if it wasn't intended |
| 22:15.07 | Patlabor221 | fiber well if cops is kinda dead now I don't know if they need one. |
| 22:15.12 | doughecka | fiberchunks: a public and a private forum |
| 22:15.25 | Patlabor221 | doug I'd wait to see what noodle does |
| 22:15.32 | TimRiker | Chestal: what's an error? |
| 22:15.37 | fiberchunks | hrmmmmmm -- noodleman, what do you think about this? |
| 22:15.39 | Patlabor221 | he may put forum type things into his new stats. |
| 22:15.44 | Chestal | TimRiker: target box is drawn, when in free roamign mode, too |
| 22:15.44 | doughecka | ;) |
| 22:15.52 | TimRiker | oh, free roaming... hmm. |
| 22:16.02 | TimRiker | yeah, feel free to fix it. |
| 22:16.11 | Chestal | heh,m you introduced it :-) |
| 22:16.12 | Noodleman | what do i think about what? wasn't listening |
| 22:16.21 | doughecka | Noodleman: are you gonna have your own forum? |
| 22:16.27 | fiberchunks | read the above |
| 22:16.28 | doughecka | Noodleman: or use fiberhunks |
| 22:16.38 | Noodleman | i'm not to that yet |
| 22:16.49 | Noodleman | i haven't even talked to jzaun yet |
| 22:16.51 | fiberchunks | a forum -- is it necessary? or is bzcops dead in the water |
| 22:16.53 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 22:16.57 | Patlabor221 | that's what I say wait |
| 22:17.05 | Chestal | Tim: I don't qute udnerstand the if (altitude != -1.0f) line |
| 22:17.18 | Patlabor221 | cops are only on 2 servers now IIRC |
| 22:17.43 | doughecka | Noodleman: could you fire up a CTF server with my map on it? |
| 22:17.56 | Chestal | ah, hmm, its set in playing.cxx, hmm |
| 22:18.04 | TimRiker | I set altitude to -1.0f for other modes. |
| 22:18.20 | doughecka | Patlabor221: yes, but many of them are also admins of non bzcop servers |
| 22:18.26 | Noodleman | doughecka: no, i'm at work |
| 22:18.38 | doughecka | Noodleman: hmm, I thought the server WAS at work.. ;) |
| 22:18.49 | doughecka | Noodleman: my new map is called HarwinBlauw |
| 22:19.03 | Patlabor221 | doug, that is a seperate issue, aka side job. If they are not cop servers, they should not give out the pass word. |
| 22:19.26 | Chestal | Tim: ok, then the lien must be mvoed to a different spot or duplicated in playing.cxx |
| 22:19.31 | Noodleman | noodleroni.com is down right now |
| 22:19.33 | doughecka | Patlabor221: why? |
| 22:19.35 | doughecka | Noodleman: ah |
| 22:19.50 | Chestal | lien 4830, actually, I am not sure if the logic is correct |
| 22:19.57 | doughecka | Noodleman: well if you dont have noodleroni up, I can start up my own server at your house... ;) |
| 22:20.24 | Noodleman | hehe, as long as it doesn't disrupt my download |
| 22:20.29 | doughecka | Noodleman: ooh, ok |
| 22:20.36 | Patlabor221 | doug: if they are gonna be cop server, they shoud be full cop server, if not, then they shoudl not. Don't half ass it. YOu must present a unified front. Basicly the cops are asking the comunity to trust them with full admin premsions on servers, since that's all you can give out now. |
| 22:21.03 | Chestal | Tim: ok, moved the alt=-1 to a spot where it's executed always when roaming |
| 22:21.29 | Patlabor221 | even tho is its a game, something like the cop thing should be taken with at least a bit of seriousness |
| 22:21.30 | doughecka | Patlabor221: yes, but with jzaun.com down, many people cant have the normal bzcop system, becuase its down also. |
| 22:21.43 | Jormungandr | someone suggest I make dragon.org and secretplace bzcop servers, but I am not totally happy with the bzcop rules. |
| 22:21.43 | Patlabor221 | who admins the 2 cop systems? |
| 22:21.49 | doughecka | so they give us the password |
| 22:22.15 | Patlabor221 | jorms servers are gonna be the first "pimpdady suppa admin" servers :) |
| 22:22.22 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:22.25 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:22.32 | TimRiker | BundleMgr.cxx:79: warning: unused variable `char * end' |
| 22:22.33 | TimRiker | BundleMgr.cxx:79: warning: unused variable `char fileName[255]' |
| 22:22.40 | Patlabor221 | we need to keep a list of all the things that you want me to add so I don't forget. |
| 22:22.53 | Jormungandr | good idea. |
| 22:22.56 | doughecka | hah |
| 22:23.07 | TimRiker | edit a TODO file in CVS. |
| 22:23.11 | Patlabor221 | munchkin doug. |
| 22:23.42 | Patlabor221 | I don't think jorm has CVS access |
| 22:23.59 | Chestal | Tim: fixed this and the target box issue |
| 22:24.01 | Jormungandr | tim, if there are any web resources or other resources needed for bzflag, just let me know. I'm open to helping out on the bandwidth front and web hosting front. |
| 22:24.06 | doughecka | TimRiker: how about a CVS for maps? can that be added too? |
| 22:24.16 | TimRiker | then a TODO wiki page. |
| 22:24.21 | Patlabor221 | doug there is a map repository |
| 22:24.36 | doughecka | Patlabor221: yea, but you said a CVS would be nice |
| 22:24.47 | Patlabor221 | wiki is backed up in CVS isn't it? :) |
| 22:24.52 | TimRiker | doughecka: hix.bzw is in cvs, but I think the map area on SF is more accessible. |
| 22:25.07 | Patlabor221 | does the map area have version history? |
| 22:25.12 | TimRiker | no wiki is not in cvs. |
| 22:25.13 | *** part/#bzflag tvon (~tvon@md-frdrck-cmts2a-a-53.shphwv.adelphia.net) |
| 22:25.26 | Jormungandr | what is wiki ? |
| 22:25.29 | Patlabor221 | oh. what about all those times that it got blown out. |
| 22:25.29 | doughecka | TimRiker: hmm |
| 22:25.38 | doughecka | Jormungandr: WIKI!!!! |
| 22:26.03 | Jormungandr | *blink* *blink* |
| 22:26.05 | TimRiker | well, perhaps a map cvs area with more open commit grants would be good. anyone that touches other modules without permission would need to loose write access. |
| 22:26.24 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: http://bzflag.org/wiki/ |
| 22:26.28 | Patlabor221 | Doug world tracker in SF has history, should use that, would be nice to have sub folders tho. |
| 22:26.48 | doughecka | Patlabor221: hmm, yea... |
| 22:26.53 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: but once attachments are removed from the tracker, they are gone. |
| 22:26.57 | doughecka | I would need to figure out how it works |
| 22:27.05 | Patlabor221 | hmm that does kinda suck |
| 22:27.16 | doughecka | this is like the patches system? |
| 22:27.20 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking CVS for history reasons |
| 22:27.24 | Patlabor221 | yes doug. |
| 22:27.26 | TimRiker | doughecka: yes. |
| 22:27.29 | doughecka | ok |
| 22:27.31 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: agreed. |
| 22:27.31 | Jormungandr | pat, let's use wiki for now. |
| 22:27.33 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:27.35 | doughecka | I could live with that |
| 22:27.36 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:27.38 | Jormungandr | it looks good |
| 22:27.46 | Patlabor221 | ok jorm, you want to make a page and put all the things you want? |
| 22:27.54 | doughecka | TimRiker: how do I get the worldtracker setup for maps? |
| 22:27.58 | Jormungandr | okie. |
| 22:28.06 | Patlabor221 | doug, just add one |
| 22:28.15 | doughecka | ? |
| 22:28.33 | Patlabor221 | where it says "Submit new" |
| 22:28.51 | Patlabor221 | there you go skip |
| 22:28.58 | Jormungandr | now I gotta figure out how :) |
| 22:29.14 | Chestal | Tim: bzfs obviously has a issue where it is losing layer slots over time (maybe caused by clients who crash or whatever). Might be an old bug, though. I guess we better ignore it and hope it goes away when we do the planned changes to bzfs for the next version |
| 22:29.23 | Patlabor221 | I think you just do www.bzflag.org/wiki/whateverthehellyouwant |
| 22:29.25 | Patlabor221 | and then edit it |
| 22:29.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:29.38 | Jormungandr | ah.. |
| 22:29.39 | TimRiker | Chestal: that's the fh leak I've been tracking. not fixed yet. |
| 22:29.47 | Patlabor221 | no realy that is what you do doug. |
| 22:30.05 | doughecka | ! |
| 22:30.11 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: that's http://BZFlag.org/wiki/WhateverYouWant ;-) |
| 22:30.15 | doughecka | I cant remember my username |
| 22:30.41 | TimRiker | doughecka: I have no cure for stupidity here. ;-) |
| 22:30.44 | Patlabor221 | well if you use a modern browser it puts that in ther for you :) |
| 22:30.54 | Patlabor221 | the http, not the stupidity |
| 22:30.54 | doughecka | Patlabor221: not after a reformat |
| 22:31.09 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: I mean TheCaseOfThePageName |
| 22:31.17 | Jormungandr | what do we have so far in our list, pat? |
| 22:31.20 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 22:31.50 | Patlabor221 | lets see /register, /identify /setrights /getrights /info /ghost |
| 22:32.09 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.11 | Patlabor221 | a centeral authoritation server |
| 22:32.15 | Patlabor221 | no there is no /op |
| 22:32.17 | doughecka | oh |
| 22:32.37 | Patlabor221 | you /setrights <the dud you want to op> superAdmin |
| 22:32.43 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:32.53 | Patlabor221 | or what ever rights you want him to have |
| 22:32.59 | Patlabor221 | like copRights |
| 22:33.03 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:33.05 | Patlabor221 | or refRights |
| 22:33.08 | Patlabor221 | there's a list |
| 22:33.16 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:33.21 | doughecka | we also need /help |
| 22:33.23 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:33.31 | TimRiker | Chestal: windows will want those variables, no? |
| 22:33.32 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.34 | Patlabor221 | and we need a permisions server |
| 22:33.52 | Patlabor221 | and you wanted the admin login |
| 22:33.59 | Chestal | Tim: no, I checked |
| 22:34.02 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:34.19 | Patlabor221 | and the wall size as a server param. |
| 22:34.22 | Chestal | Tim: I guess the original version of the code was using char*, someoen changed it to use std::String and probably didn't remove those vars |
| 22:34.23 | Patlabor221 | that's all I can think of. |
| 22:34.25 | TimRiker | sprintf(fileName, "%s\\l10n\\bzflag_*.po", bundlePath.c_str()); ?? |
| 22:34.32 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:34.58 | Patlabor221 | why wouldhe not just use a + there? |
| 22:35.00 | Chestal | oh, I used the search feature, strange |
| 22:35.03 | Chestal | didn't find it |
| 22:35.27 | Chestal | I'll rewrite it |
| 22:36.12 | TimRiker | you on windows to test? |
| 22:36.24 | TimRiker | captain_proton: where? |
| 22:36.28 | Chestal | no, someone else should |
| 22:36.33 | Patlabor221 | cap: I think he's atention sarved. |
| 22:36.48 | Patlabor221 | I can get latest and check it |
| 22:36.51 | TimRiker | Chestal: then I'll just put the line inside and check it in. |
| 22:37.14 | TimRiker | done. |
| 22:37.17 | captain_proton | TimRiker: somewhere on bzbb |
| 22:37.44 | captain_proton | http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=361&start=15 |
| 22:38.12 | Patlabor221 | god I love this CVS client, CVS updates on a right click of a folder. |
| 22:38.31 | Jormungandr | added "adminfunctions" |
| 22:40.11 | TimRiker | ugh... that should be AdminFunctions !! |
| 22:40.16 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:40.51 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:40.57 | Patlabor221 | CVS builds fine on winders |
| 22:41.05 | Jormungandr | where would I put -static to make static bzfs? |
| 22:41.44 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.70) |
| 22:41.57 | doughecka | MrApathyCream!!!! |
| 22:42.28 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 22:42.34 | Jormungandr | I didn't want to touch it afterwards... so fix away. |
| 22:42.34 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:42.34 | Patlabor221 | and CVS seems to run fine on winders. |
| 22:42.40 | Jormungandr | this sort of thing scares me. :) |
| 22:42.43 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: you get zero to build on lin yet? |
| 22:42.50 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:42.53 | Noodleman | duh duh duh duuuh duh duuuuuhhh! MAC Man!! |
| 22:42.54 | Patlabor221 | just need to post it |
| 22:43.06 | fiberchunks | cool, what was the problem? |
| 22:43.07 | Jormungandr | fiber, sticky my server announcment in the forums :) |
| 22:43.07 | Patlabor221 | I put up the missle patch for regular BZ tho |
| 22:43.14 | fiberchunks | mkay |
| 22:43.17 | Jormungandr | fanks |
| 22:43.29 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 22:43.41 | fiberchunks | done |
| 22:43.56 | Patlabor221 | the problem was a LAME ass linux linker problem. I had to include an object from the class I put in platform in the main BZ C files then it worked |
| 22:44.00 | Patlabor221 | it was wierd. |
| 22:44.17 | Patlabor221 | jorm, you can edit the post and sticky it yourslef |
| 22:44.26 | Jormungandr | thanks, fiberchunks. :) |
| 22:44.35 | Jormungandr | huh? |
| 22:44.40 | Jormungandr | I can sticky it? |
| 22:44.42 | Jormungandr | wow. |
| 22:44.45 | Patlabor221 | I think so |
| 22:44.45 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:44.53 | fiberchunks | I don't think he's a mod -- don't think I' |
| 22:44.58 | fiberchunks | ve added you yet jorg |
| 22:45.07 | fiberchunks | er, jorm |
| 22:45.09 | Patlabor221 | ohhh, that's right I'm a mod :) |
| 22:45.16 | Jormungandr | I'm on as Nidhoggr |
| 22:45.17 | Jormungandr | there |
| 22:45.22 | Jormungandr | cuz I can't use Nidhoggr here. :( |
| 22:45.28 | Jormungandr | someone reg'd it out from under me. |
| 22:45.39 | Patlabor221 | you could put a _ in it |
| 22:45.44 | fiberchunks | ah, you'll be added soon |
| 22:45.44 | Jormungandr | nah |
| 22:45.46 | Jormungandr | that's cheap |
| 22:45.57 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:45.57 | Jormungandr | jormungandr is a respectable nick |
| 22:45.59 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:46.14 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 22:46.26 | Patlabor221 | just have to know to look for N something elesewhere |
| 22:46.35 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:46.50 | Jormungandr | jormungandr is the name of the midgard serpent in norse myth. |
| 22:46.55 | fiberchunks | added |
| 22:46.59 | Jormungandr | nidhoggr is from same mythology. |
| 22:47.00 | Jormungandr | thanks. |
| 22:47.25 | Patlabor221 | just as long as it's not sticky |
| 22:47.31 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:47.32 | doughecka | Patlabor221: where is this "Submit new" under world files? |
| 22:47.43 | Jormungandr | where do I put -static in makefile for bzfs? |
| 22:48.29 | Jormungandr | check wiki to see if I forgot anything, pat. |
| 22:48.34 | fiberchunks | ~fishslap doug |
| 22:48.36 | | ACTION slaps doug up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:48.40 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: do the make, then when you see the ld line copy and paste it adding -static. ;-) |
| 22:48.49 | Jormungandr | ah. |
| 22:49.43 | Patlabor221 | doug it's right there on the page |
| 22:49.49 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@CPE002078c68203-CM014370004644.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:49.51 | doughecka | I see it |
| 22:49.56 | doughecka | lo bzgirl |
| 22:50.01 | bzgirl | hello |
| 22:50.02 | MrApathyCream | bb tonite |
| 22:50.04 | Patlabor221 | see it's better when you open your eyes |
| 22:50.54 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/AdminFunctions |
| 22:51.06 | Jormungandr | there is no ld command that it does for bzfs |
| 22:51.41 | Jormungandr | it only has one .cxx file |
| 22:51.43 | Patlabor221 | doug what the hell was up with all the smileys? |
| 22:51.59 | doughecka | he wanted a prize ;) |
| 22:51.59 | fiberchunks | duck's prize |
| 22:52.14 | Patlabor221 | he sould get a swift kick :) |
| 22:52.22 | doughecka | huh |
| 22:52.24 | fiberchunks | mmm hmm |
| 22:52.34 | Jormungandr | ~lart doughecka |
| 22:52.40 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:52.41 | Patlabor221 | ha |
| 22:53.04 | Patlabor221 | I didn't kick you |
| 22:53.25 | doughecka | I was just moving out of the way |
| 22:53.51 | TimRiker | g++ -g -o bin/bzfs src/bzfs/bzfs.o -static -L/usr/X11R6/lib lib/libNet.a lib/libCommon.a -lm |
| 22:54.09 | Jormungandr | thanks tim! |
| 22:54.29 | TimRiker | np |
| 22:55.14 | TimRiker | and you can leave off the -g if you want to. |
| 22:55.22 | Jormungandr | what does that do? |
| 22:55.39 | doughecka | goat |
| 22:55.41 | fiberchunks | debugging info |
| 22:55.42 | Jormungandr | is it safe to strip binary afterward? |
| 22:55.57 | TimRiker | if you don't want to debug it, sure. |
| 22:56.04 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 22:56.07 | Jormungandr | it's kinda big :) |
| 22:56.28 | TimRiker | strip --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note bin/bzfs |
| 22:57.28 | Jormungandr | went from 833K to 641K |
| 22:57.34 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:57.37 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:57.58 | doughecka | is there anyway to upload multipul files at the same time? |
| 22:58.30 | TimRiker | doughecka: not on the sf tracker. need to do them one at a time. |
| 22:58.47 | doughecka | TimRiker: huh |
| 22:59.12 | TimRiker | -rwxr-xr-x 1 timr timr 2384219 2003-02-11 15:56 bin/bzfs |
| 22:59.12 | TimRiker | timr@localhost ~/work/bzflag-1.7$ strip --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note bin/bzfs |
| 22:59.12 | TimRiker | timr@localhost ~/work/bzflag-1.7$ ls -l bin/bzfs |
| 22:59.12 | TimRiker | -rwxr-xr-x 1 timr timr 710160 2003-02-11 15:56 bin/bzfs |
| 22:59.30 | TimRiker | 2.3M down to 710k ;-) |
| 22:59.33 | doughecka | wow |
| 23:01.51 | Jormungandr | wow |
| 23:02.26 | doughecka | thats what I say |
| 23:06.13 | Jormungandr | segfaulting.. looking at an strace to see why |
| 23:06.18 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:06.22 | *** join/#bzflag isfry (~Fry@host-216-78-241-55.sua.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:13.10 | Cell | have crated some palms: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/palms.jpg , http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/palmsnear.jpg |
| 23:13.14 | Cell | :) |
| 23:13.28 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:13.41 | doughecka | can you export that into a real bzw file? |
| 23:13.43 | Patlabor221 | there now http://bzflag.org/wiki/AdminFunctions is updated with all kinds of info :) |
| 23:14.15 | Cell | doughecka: yes but that are about 1000 boxes per tree |
| 23:14.24 | doughecka | gaa |
| 23:16.07 | Patlabor221 | Jorm, I filled in some info on the to do list :) |
| 23:16.59 | Jormungandr | LOTS of stuff :) |
| 23:19.46 | Cell | time fro dreams, by |
| 23:19.47 | *** part/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9E5045B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:22.41 | Jormungandr | doug? |
| 23:25.21 | Jormungandr | can you test server? |
| 23:25.37 | Jormungandr | wanna see if chroot is working. |
| 23:27.31 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 23:27.40 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 23:28.18 | Chestal | Tim: remember my /countdown issue? I'm still not sure what to do best, we have -timemanual option now. I don' know if it#s a good idea to not require a password if this option is used |
| 23:30.31 | doughecka | Jormungandr: ? |
| 23:30.35 | doughecka | Jormungandr: I am back |
| 23:30.39 | doughecka | what server? |
| 23:30.46 | Jormungandr | can you check 5355 |
| 23:30.47 | Jormungandr | dragon.org |
| 23:30.49 | doughecka | ok doke |
| 23:31.19 | doughecka | and do what? |
| 23:31.26 | Jormungandr | you connected? |
| 23:31.30 | Jormungandr | can you pick up flags, etc? |
| 23:31.35 | Jormungandr | just want to see if it works. |
| 23:31.45 | Jormungandr | cuz I can see logs, now, and stuff. |
| 23:32.07 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:32.08 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:32.12 | doughecka | hmm, I need to fix that map |
| 23:32.17 | doughecka | the teleports are up in the air |
| 23:32.18 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:32.21 | doughecka | revision 8 |
| 23:32.32 | Jormungandr | I thought you did that on purpose :) |
| 23:32.48 | Jormungandr | you got stuck? |
| 23:33.00 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:33.01 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:33.05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:33.10 | doughecka | on purpose |
| 23:33.16 | doughecka | hah, I guess I did? |
| 23:33.23 | Jormungandr | okie.. gunna shut it down again. |
| 23:33.25 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:33.26 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:33.55 | Jormungandr | when you fix, let me know. |
| 23:34.09 | doughecka | ok |
| 23:34.09 | Jormungandr | just wanted to make sure the "sandbox" thing worked. |
| 23:34.14 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 23:34.19 | Jormungandr | so I can run all the servers in a sandbox |
| 23:34.22 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:34.23 | Jormungandr | so that they are chrooted |
| 23:34.27 | Jormungandr | you know what that does? |
| 23:34.39 | doughecka | nope |
| 23:34.40 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:34.59 | Chestal | well, good night |
| 23:35.02 | Jormungandr | chroot changes the root dir of the whole process, so that the system thinks the dir you specify is the root dir. |
| 23:35.09 | doughecka | cya Chestal |
| 23:35.16 | doughecka | Jormungandr: ahh, I see |
| 23:35.27 | Noodleman | w00t w00t |
| 23:35.30 | Jormungandr | so if you run a process in that environment, if it gets hacked, the only place anyone can get to is, in this case, /usr/games/bzflag |
| 23:35.55 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:35.57 | doughecka | sweet |
| 23:36.05 | Jormungandr | whatcha w00ting, Noodleman? |
| 23:36.16 | Noodleman | nothing in particular :-) |
| 23:36.19 | doughecka | hes a train |
| 23:36.23 | doughecka | w00t w00t |
| 23:36.27 | Jormungandr | I should be w00ting. |
| 23:36.33 | Jormungandr | I got sandbox working on dragon.org |
| 23:36.40 | Jormungandr | now to do it on secretplace. |
| 23:36.55 | Noodleman | a spammer just walked in, i had my cluebat in my hand, you know the rest, end of story |
| 23:37.02 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 23:37.13 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:37.15 | Noodleman | i wish :-) |
| 23:37.19 | *** join/#bzflag faz (~faz@M288P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:37.22 | doughecka | Noodleman: lol |
| 23:37.24 | Jormungandr | this is cool. |
| 23:37.29 | Jormungandr | I feel slightly more secure now. |
| 23:37.42 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:37.47 | Noodleman | ~lart the stupid script kiddie that h4x0r3d jzaun |
| 23:38.12 | doughecka | Jormungandr: the LAST update, I am POSITIVE... ;) |
| 23:38.13 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/spiralsdone8CTF.map |
| 23:38.23 | Noodleman | as always :-) |
| 23:38.28 | doughecka | yup |
| 23:38.35 | doughecka | patches welcome if you make any |
| 23:38.36 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:38.50 | Noodleman | heh |
| 23:39.18 | Noodleman | and merge in helix to boot :-) |
| 23:39.25 | doughecka | hah |
| 23:39.27 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 23:39.31 | doughecka | and your blank map |
| 23:39.36 | Noodleman | LOL |
| 23:39.39 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 23:39.46 | Jormungandr | and I wanted to restart. |
| 23:39.50 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:39.50 | Jormungandr | -dd is too much |
| 23:40.00 | doughecka | I use -d -d -d -d |
| 23:40.01 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:40.05 | Jormungandr | ack |
| 23:40.08 | Jormungandr | way too much |
| 23:40.11 | doughecka | bah, reboot it anyway |
| 23:40.16 | doughecka | most people reconnect |
| 23:40.22 | Jormungandr | nah.. later |
| 23:40.27 | Jormungandr | they'll get bored. |
| 23:40.28 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:40.40 | doughecka | ~dragon |
| 23:40.47 | doughecka | huh |
| 23:41.07 | doughecka | you gonna put my CTF map up next? |
| 23:41.23 | Jormungandr | once you have it how you want it. |
| 23:41.27 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:41.31 | doughecka | its done |
| 23:41.43 | doughecka | I hope |
| 23:42.31 | doughecka | seen the trailer for robota? |
| 23:42.50 | doughecka | http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/dc_studio/robota/ |
| 23:42.58 | doughecka | it looks like a really neat movie |
| 23:43.02 | Jormungandr | I can't watch it at work. |
| 23:43.06 | Jormungandr | no player |
| 23:43.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:43.13 | doughecka | sad... :) |
| 23:43.25 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 23:44.47 | Jormungandr | I restarted it. |
| 23:45.06 | Jormungandr | I thought you were gunna fix that issue with the teleports, first. |
| 23:45.14 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:45.18 | doughecka | I did |
| 23:45.24 | Jormungandr | URL? |
| 23:45.37 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/spiralsdone8CTF.map |
| 23:45.37 | Jormungandr | do you have sftp? |
| 23:45.41 | doughecka | no |
| 23:45.45 | doughecka | I use windows |
| 23:45.53 | Jormungandr | I think putty has sftp |
| 23:45.54 | doughecka | and my redhat box is off |
| 23:45.59 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:46.01 | doughecka | the client |
| 23:46.06 | doughecka | ooh |
| 23:46.13 | doughecka | you want me to connect and upload it? |
| 23:46.32 | doughecka | I have it |
| 23:46.52 | Jormungandr | I just downloaded it, but I should put bzflag logins on dragon.org and secreplace, anyway |
| 23:47.00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:47.01 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:47.06 | Jormungandr | you use putty now? |
| 23:47.13 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:47.14 | Patlabor221 | doug that movie is just a bunch of zoomes on concept art ganked from the net |
| 23:47.21 | doughecka | Patlabor221: the second one |
| 23:47.29 | doughecka | Patlabor221: the second one is alot better |
| 23:48.02 | *** join/#bzflag faz (~faz@M288P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:48.03 | Patlabor221 | It' think it's based on a comic |
| 23:48.08 | doughecka | Jormungandr: where do I connect? you should have the password hooked to the current bzfs password |
| 23:48.13 | doughecka | a filmbook |
| 23:48.19 | doughecka | dont ask me what that is |
| 23:51.30 | *** join/#bzflag jzaun (~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com) |
| 23:51.40 | Noodleman | hey jzaun |
| 23:51.46 | Jormungandr | hi jzaun |
| 23:51.51 | jzaun | Hello |
| 23:51.56 | jzaun | Noodleman: get my email? |
| 23:52.00 | Noodleman | yup |
| 23:52.23 | Noodleman | will you be at about 5:30 pacific tonight? |
| 23:52.41 | jzaun | thats what 9:30 EST? |
| 23:52.42 | Noodleman | will you be *on*at about 5:30 pacific tonight? |
| 23:52.44 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 23:52.44 | jzaun | should be here |
| 23:52.47 | Noodleman | yes |
| 23:52.55 | Noodleman | cool |
| 23:53.10 | Noodleman | i'm at work, so I can't do much talking right now :-) |
| 23:53.20 | jzaun | thats ok I understand |
| 23:53.55 | Jormungandr | brb... food truck is here. |
| 23:53.58 | doughecka | jzaun!! |
| 23:54.01 | doughecka | yay |
| 23:55.24 | jzaun | :-) |
| 23:56.49 | doughecka | find out who or what hacked your puter? |
| 23:57.52 | Noodleman | ~lart the stupid script kiddie that h4x0r3d jzaun |
| 23:58.28 | Noodleman | ~lart the stupid script kiddie that h4x0r3d jzaun |
| 23:58.29 | doughecka | ~fishslap Noodleman for waking ibot out of his nice nap |
| 23:58.31 | | ACTION slaps Noodleman up side the head with a wet fish for waking ibot out of his nice nap |
| 23:58.47 | jzaun | doughecka: yes and no, I got about 5 IPs but don't have the time to look into it further |
| 23:58.53 | doughecka | jzaun: ah |
