irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030226

`00:10.46`	`*** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-28.swipnet.se)`
`00:10.58`	`larsl`	`Strange bug on xmission...`
`00:11.11`	`doughecka`	`hmm?`
`00:11.30`	`larsl`	`A team flag is standing _below_ the roof of a building. Only the "flag" part is sticking up.`
`00:12.02`	`larsl`	`It's probably standing on the midpiece below the "X".`
`00:13.07`	`larsl`	`And since it's not standing "on" the floor, no one can grab it.`
`00:15.34`	`*** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`00:15.52`	`stibnite`	`yep there it is again`
`00:18.17`	`larsl`	`TimRiker: Do you know what's causing that (flags stuck in buildings) ?`
`00:28.02`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`00:28.12`	`TimRiker`	`it's a bug. the flags should check to me sure they are not in any building. don't know why the check is not working.`
`00:29.27`	`jraitala`	`darn, we lost to HOW`
`00:29.59`	`doughecka`	`HAH!`
`00:30.00`	`doughecka`	`er`
`00:30.02`	`doughecka`	`bummer`
`00:30.28`	`*** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`00:33.19`	`TimRiker`	`join me on one to see the bug?`
`00:33.39`	`larsl`	`Who, me?`
`00:41.48`	`*** join/#bzflag God-fearer (~vds@5.201.27.24.cfl.rr.com)`
`00:41.59`	`God-fearer`	`Could someone restart xmission?`
`00:42.39`	`God-fearer`	`Green flag has been unreachable for long enough.`
`00:43.18`	`larsl`	`God-fearer: Again?`
`00:43.36`	`God-fearer`	`Guess so ... green is at 51 captures now`
`00:43.46`	`larsl`	`Maybe someone found the bug, and is abusing it. =(`
`00:43.49`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:43.53`	`larsl`	`Tim is fixing the map.`
`00:43.56`	`God-fearer`	`Yup`
`00:44.01`	`larsl`	`I think.`
`00:44.24`	`TimRiker`	`perhaps. well the map is fixed. I'll restart xmission.`
`00:45.01`	`God-fearer`	`looks like it is there is a surface below the X runways that the green flag is resting on`
`00:45.17`	`God-fearer`	`thanks`
`00:46.02`	`*** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~fiberchun@237.14.252.64.snet.net)`
`00:46.11`	`larsl`	`Yep, now the flags go all the way to the top.`
`00:46.14`	`doughecka`	`'lo fiberhunks`
`00:47.11`	`larsl`	`Ugh, 1:44 AM. I should quit.`
`00:47.19`	`doughecka`	`nah`
`00:47.31`	`doughecka`	`resist the temptation`
`00:48.21`	`larsl`	`I'd like too... but my school is scheduling all my lectures at 8 in the morning.`
`00:48.24`	`larsl`	`The bastards.`
`00:48.28`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`00:48.43`	`doughecka`	`~country .se`
`00:48.47`		`it has been said that country .se is sweden`
`00:48.55`	`larsl`	`Indeed.`
`00:48.58`	`doughecka`	`ah, sweedeen`
`00:49.56`	`larsl`	`~country .int`
`00:50.31`	`doughecka`	`~country .zz`
`00:50.57`	`larsl`	`What TLD is that?`
`00:51.04`	`doughecka`	`dunno`
`00:51.06`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`00:51.19`	`doughecka`	`~country .ex`
`00:51.41`	`larsl`	`Good night.`
`00:51.41`	`doughecka`	`~convert 3 lightyears to inches`
`00:51.43`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`00:59.09`	`*** join/#bzflag faz (~faz@M288P013.dipool.highway.telekom.at)`
`01:00.57`	`calico`	`goodnite all`
`01:03.43`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl6x140.chesco.com)`
`01:44.32`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~3v1ln00dl@216.228.187.207)`
`02:36.35`	`*** join/#bzflag qazz (~d8088471@203.194.240.139)`
`02:58.08`	`*** join/#bzflag rooter (~julie@dsl027-162-220.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net)`
`02:59.03`	`rooter`	`hello`
`02:59.28`	`doughecka`	`greetings and salutations in geogia`
`03:01.47`	`rooter`	`i'm a little inebriated... maybe i might play bz better`
`03:02.26`	`rooter`	`do you ever leave the group? it seems like you are always on.`
`03:02.39`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`03:02.40`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`03:02.42`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`03:02.48`	`doughecka`	`unless dsl droppes`
`03:03.05`	`rooter`	`Where are you?`
`03:03.15`	`doughecka`	`louisville`
`03:03.17`	`doughecka`	`KY`
`03:03.28`	`rooter`	`ah yes... i remember`
`03:03.40`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`03:03.44`	`rooter`	`the guy who came to Atlanta for tile`
`03:03.57`	`doughecka`	`granit`
`03:04.14`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`03:04.20`	`rooter`	`granite... of course`
`03:07.55`	`rooter`	`http://www.westga.edu/~madison/images/art-02.jpg`
`03:08.34`	`doughecka`	`how many blocks?`
`03:08.43`	`rooter`	`100 OR SO`
`03:08.43`	`doughecka`	`how did you make that?`
`03:08.50`	`doughecka`	`rooter: wow, thats pretty good`
`03:08.59`	`rooter`	`i wrote a program`
`03:09.02`	`rooter`	`thanks`
`03:09.04`	`doughecka`	`rooter: aaah`
`03:09.08`	`doughecka`	`rooter: :)`
`03:10.12`	`rooter`	`http://www.westga.edu/~madison/images/jagged-wall.jpg`
`03:10.22`	`doughecka`	`COOL!`
`03:10.41`	`rooter`	`thanks... i have many more`
`03:10.45`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`03:10.56`	`doughecka`	`should GPL it or something and post it... :)`
`03:11.00`	`rooter`	`i have a map i will release soon`
`03:11.04`	`doughecka`	`or implement it into bzedit`
`03:11.07`	`doughecka`	`rooter: cool`
`03:11.11`	`doughecka`	`ack`
`03:11.20`	`rooter`	`i will probably create a sourceforge progect`
`03:16.50`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl1x43.chesco.com)`
`03:43.46`	`*** join/#bzflag sgi (~442a00a5@203.194.240.139)`
`03:43.59`	`sgi`	`oh my Gosh`
`03:44.10`	`sgi`	`hello`
`03:44.30`	`sgi`	`uuuuuuu`
`03:47.33`	`*** join/#bzflag sgi (~442a00a5@203.194.240.139)`
`03:58.19`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (~4021f107@203.194.240.139)`
`03:58.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, how about a server option for there to be an ibot in the game`
`03:59.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`03:59.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`03:59.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, forget ~suicide`
`03:59.19`		`i forgot ~suicide, [STC]_creeperz`
`03:59.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, ~suicide is <reply> /me slits his throat`
`03:59.52`		`[STC]_creeperz: okay`
`03:59.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`04:00.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, forget ~suicide`
`04:00.24`		`[STC]_creeperz: i forgot ~suicide`
`04:00.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, ~suicide is <reply>/me slits his throat`
`04:00.41`		`okay, [STC]_creeperz`
`04:00.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`04:01.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Aww well`
`04:01.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, ~suicide?`
`04:01.15`		`/me slits his throat`
`04:01.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`04:01.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~stc?`
`04:01.30`		`[stc] spine tinglaz clan, name property of [STC] creeperz`
`04:01.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide?`
`04:01.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, forget ~suicide`
`04:01.48`		`i forgot ~suicide, [STC]_creeperz`
`04:02.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, why can't we be friends? I mean, I want you dead and all but lets give peace a chance, ok? Are you catching all of this?`
`04:02.33`		`I think you lost me on that one, [STC]_creeperz`
`04:02.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang`
`04:02.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsmack`
`04:02.50`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`04:02.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsnack`
`04:02.57`		`:), [STC]_creeperz`
`04:03.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botcrack`
`04:03.06`		`one too many hits on the botcrack pipe and look at me now!`
`04:03.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botpipe`
`04:03.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botmunchies`
`04:03.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botfood`
`04:03.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`hmmmm?`
`04:03.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsex`
`04:03.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`nevermind!`
`04:03.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botslap`
`04:03.56`		`ACTION cowers away from [stc]_creeperz`
`04:04.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`04:04.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botkill`
`04:04.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~munchiemeter faz`
`04:04.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer faz`
`04:04.29`		`'faz' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`04:04.30`	`Noodleman`	`please can it with the bot`
`04:04.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I am gunna stop any way`
`04:05.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`One more`
`04:05.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer [stc]_creeperz`
`04:05.26`		`'[stc]_creeperz' is 24.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`04:05.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer Noodleman`
`04:05.36`		`'Noodleman' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`04:05.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Bye ya'll`
`04:05.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, noodle`
`04:06.01`	`Noodleman`	`yeah?`
`04:06.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Any time frame on when stats.bzflag.org will be fully up?`
`04:06.36`	`Noodleman`	`maybe this week`
`04:06.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, and you might want to put some sort of a blocker for uploading maps`
`04:06.57`	`Noodleman`	`why's that?`
`04:06.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Its possible to upload a jpg file :-)`
`04:07.05`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:07.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just deleted it though`
`04:07.18`	`Noodleman`	`jzaun wrote that ;-P`
`04:07.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wrote what? The upload?`
`04:07.35`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`04:07.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, could please give me the code for the "Who's Online" script?`
`04:07.58`	`Noodleman`	`he wrote most of the site`
`04:07.59`	`stibnite`	`so strange`
`04:08.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's that?`
`04:08.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I want to put a who's online script on my site.`
`04:08.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm still busy making it`
`04:08.55`	`Noodleman`	`it's a cron script that enters infomation into a mysql database`
`04:09.00`	`Noodleman`	`can you use it?`
`04:09.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Will Apache support?`
`04:09.22`	`Noodleman`	`do you have mysql and php set up?`
`04:09.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Define : "set up"`
`04:09.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Please`
`04:09.52`	`Noodleman`	`installed and configured`
`04:09.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I guess`
`04:10.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can I try anyway?`
`04:10.11`	`Noodleman`	`sure`
`04:10.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`04:10.19`	`Noodleman`	`put it prolly won't work ;-)`
`04:10.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh well`
`04:10.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Its worth a shot :-)`
`04:10.37`	`Noodleman`	`email?`
`04:10.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`webriot3@hotmail.com`
`04:11.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When can you send it?`
`04:11.06`	`Noodleman`	`right away`
`04:11.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`04:11.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...`
`04:11.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What FTP client you use?`
`04:11.43`	`Noodleman`	`command-line ftp in linux, and my network places in windows xp`
`04:11.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Odd`
`04:11.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`04:12.02`	`Noodleman`	`i usually edit pages on the server without uploading tho`
`04:12.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:12.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have an FTP client, Crystal Freeware edition, and a wizard for windows`
`04:13.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You send it?`
`04:13.10`	`Noodleman`	`just a sec`
`04:13.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`04:13.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Does Linux have Hot-Keys?`
`04:13.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Like Alt+Tab?`
`04:13.35`	`Noodleman`	`yes`
`04:13.38`	`Noodleman`	`alt-tab`
`04:13.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`04:14.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`04:15.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who remembers the Luv Bug Virus from a while back?`
`04:15.29`	`Noodleman`	`i do`
`04:16.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`My friend Mike had it stored on a A:/ disc, accidently put it in his comp the other day`
`04:16.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`an*`
`04:16.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He did`
`04:16.30`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`04:17.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who's email is CundiffWJ@Hotmail.com?`
`04:19.00`	`Noodleman`	`not sure`
`04:19.10`	`Noodleman`	`ok, you should be getting that message soon`
`04:19.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ok`
`04:19.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I got it`
`04:21.20`	`Noodleman`	`cool`
`04:21.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, I will upload soon`
`04:22.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So upload all of those to my site?`
`04:22.24`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`04:22.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bzfs.inc?`
`04:22.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need that/`
`04:22.41`	`Noodleman`	`and install bzflag.database.php in your crontab`
`04:22.44`	`Noodleman`	`yes`
`04:22.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?*`
`04:22.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`crontab?`
`04:23.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~dict crontab`
`04:23.17`	`Noodleman`	`the crontab is where you put stuff that you want to run ever so often`
`04:23.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:23.34`	`Noodleman`	`does your host support it?`
`04:23.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`web1000.com`
`04:23.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't know`
`04:23.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But couldn't I just use Apache?`
`04:24.02`	`Noodleman`	`yeah, they don't`
`04:24.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If it don't`
`04:24.12`	`Noodleman`	`apache is a webserver`
`04:24.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh yea`
`04:24.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`To, like, make my own site?`
`04:24.29`	`Noodleman`	`it doesn't do anything to do with the crontab`
`04:25.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have Apache and I don't even know how to use it`
`04:25.07`	`Noodleman`	`apache is the program that is installed on the server to send the webpages to the browsers that visit your site`
`04:25.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohhhh`
`04:25.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You use?`
`04:25.38`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`04:25.47`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.penguinstalon.com/`
`04:25.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`04:25.56`	`Noodleman`	`my server's real name`
`04:26.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`win32 here`
`04:26.00`	`Noodleman`	`;-)`
`04:26.03`	`Noodleman`	`ah`
`04:26.07`	`Noodleman`	`i'm using linux`
`04:26.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So I can host a web-srever using Apache?`
`04:26.41`	`Noodleman`	`on windows?`
`04:26.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`04:26.50`	`Noodleman`	`which version?`
`04:26.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ME`
`04:27.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...no (?)`
`04:27.07`	`Noodleman`	`i wouldn't want to try it`
`04:27.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Neither would I`
`04:27.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Comp would probally explode`
`04:27.31`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`04:28.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`1 hour of hosting... 1 hour AFTER hosting (sees a picture of the a-bomb while testing)`
`04:28.20`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:28.57`	`Noodleman`	`mozilla go boom`
`04:29.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Either that or, a 3 1/2 in. floppy somehow magically shoots out of my A:/ and kills me in my sleep`
`04:29.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:29.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`about:Mozilla`
`04:29.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Think Tim will give me a sub-domain?`
`04:29.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`From bzflag`
`04:30.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`04:31.05`	`Noodleman`	`he might`
`04:31.09`	`Noodleman`	`just ask`
`04:31.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`04:31.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have emailed him in the past requesting a sub-domain... never replied`
`04:31.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Junk Mail filtering system?`
`04:31.48`	`Noodleman`	`try /msg'ing him`
`04:31.58`	`Noodleman`	`maybe`
`04:32.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What would be a good name for a site?`
`04:33.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`URL`
`04:33.38`	`Noodleman`	`sry, i wasn't here`
`04:33.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or should I devote it to my clan (who has given up on me)`
`04:33.45`	`Noodleman`	`depends on what you like`
`04:33.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:33.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm, Making maps!`
`04:34.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wanna see my newest?`
`04:34.06`	`Noodleman`	`sure`
`04:34.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://stats.bzflag.org/maps.php`
`04:34.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Its kinda dull, but I did it in about 30 min ;)`
`04:34.57`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`04:35.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Look at it. Its very complex`
`04:35.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You have BZEdit?`
`04:35.20`	`Noodleman`	`not in linux`
`04:35.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`There is a BZEdit for Linux`
`04:35.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You at work?`
`04:36.23`	`Noodleman`	`no i'm at home`
`04:36.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I thought you had dual-boot`
`04:36.37`	`Noodleman`	`i've never been able to get the bzedit for linux to compile`
`04:36.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`04:36.51`	`Noodleman`	`i do, but i'm in linux right now, and i don't want to reboot`
`04:36.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:37.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thats cool`
`04:37.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What type of computer?`
`04:37.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Owwww`
`04:37.39`	`Noodleman`	`athlon xp 1700, 512 megs of ddr ram`
`04:37.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Did you see "King of the Hill" by any chance?`
`04:38.11`	`Noodleman`	`tv show, or bzflag game style?`
`04:38.12`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`04:38.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...I don't think Corporal Punishment is legal anymore either`
`04:38.36`	`Noodleman`	`i don't really watch tv`
`04:38.47`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`04:38.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, I know its legal in Catholic schools... They feel that students need attention`
`04:39.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:39.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You Catholic?`
`04:39.20`	`Noodleman`	`nope, protestant`
`04:39.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LDS here... Same as Tim`
`04:39.33`	`Noodleman`	`seventh-day adventist to be precise`
`04:39.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`My dad used to be`
`04:39.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I never joined`
`04:40.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I was only 8? 7?`
`04:40.01`	`Noodleman`	`i wondered why tim lived way out there in utah :-)`
`04:40.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I want to team up with tim and build this place as a pam... http://www.mormon.org`
`04:40.57`	`Noodleman`	`there's a site there already`
`04:41.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`04:41.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`map*`
`04:41.13`	`Noodleman`	`ah`
`04:41.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lol`
`04:41.17`	`Noodleman`	`is that the temple`
`04:41.18`	`Noodleman`	`?`
`04:41.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Salt Lake City, Utah Temple`
`04:41.43`	`Noodleman`	`i though it had a dome`
`04:41.48`	`Noodleman`	`shows how dumb i am :-`
`04:41.51`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`04:41.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brigham Young led thousands of Mormons to Utah in the 1800's`
`04:42.04`	`Noodleman`	`yeah, i know about that`
`04:42.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...I don't think any temple has a dome`
`04:42.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`KNow about the Mormon Batallion?`
`04:42.27`	`Noodleman`	`nope`
`04:42.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`;-)`
`04:42.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Want to know?`
`04:42.41`	`Noodleman`	`sure`
`04:42.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...`
`04:43.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`300 mormons were called to fight in the war of Mexico, Brigham Young said "If you remain loyal to God, you will never die, nor shall you have to fire a bullet"`
`04:43.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not one died in combat`
`04:43.48`	`Noodleman`	`interesting`
`04:43.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...After the war, though, many died`
`04:43.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`04:44.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Many illnesses`
`04:44.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...`
`04:44.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How do you start a riot in Mexico?`
`04:44.37`	`Noodleman`	`not sure`
`04:44.38`	`Noodleman`	`how?`
`04:44.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Throw a quarter in the street.`
`04:44.45`	`Noodleman`	`hah`
`04:44.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How do you find the richest person in Mexico?`
`04:45.10`	`Noodleman`	`how?`
`04:45.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Find the person who found the quarter.`
`04:45.31`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:45.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wanna hear a REALLY crazy joke?`
`04:46.10`	`Noodleman`	`here's a really crazy joke: [STC]_creeperz`
`04:46.12`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`04:46.18`	`Noodleman`	`i had to do that :-)`
`04:46.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You have a donkey, I have a rooster, your donkey bites off my rooster's feet. What's it called?`
`04:46.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`04:46.41`	`Noodleman`	`i don't know`
`04:46.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Two feet of my cock in your ass...`
`04:46.52`	`Noodleman`	`geez`
`04:46.57`	`Noodleman`	`that's sick`
`04:46.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`heh`
`04:47.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:47.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I got in trouble for telling the lunch lady that`
`04:47.25`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:47.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`My principal is cool though. He gave me a warning and made me repeat the joke until he memorized it`
`04:48.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thats about it`
`04:48.28`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`04:48.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...I think he mentioned something about telling his wife that joke or something`
`04:48.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He was mumbling to himself as I went back to lunch`
`04:49.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I almost had aseisure today!`
`04:49.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`a seisure*`
`04:49.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Stupid ad...`
`04:50.20`	`Noodleman`	`an advertisement?`
`04:50.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It blinks and appears to rotate`
`04:50.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:51.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I forgot where I was... I think I was at either www.thinkgeek.com or www.slackerHTML.com`
`04:51.47`	`Noodleman`	`thinkgekk.com r00lz :-)`
`04:52.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:52.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`For us geeks ;-)`
`04:52.26`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:53.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think I am more on the smart but stupid side... Got me?`
`04:53.08`	`Noodleman`	`yup :-)`
`04:53.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The first ads I saw for think geek, I just thought they were fake`
`04:54.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/5a47/`
`04:55.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not cheap :(`
`04:55.21`	`Noodleman`	`ouch`
`04:55.27`	`Noodleman`	`that's not cheap`
`04:55.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.tshirthell.com is pretty odd`
`04:55.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ever been there?`
`04:56.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`oopz`
`04:56.36`	`Noodleman`	`yes i have`
`04:56.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:56.50`	`Noodleman`	`it is odd`
`04:58.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`sooo... What you been up to?`
`04:58.34`	`Noodleman`	`just stuff`
`04:58.40`	`Noodleman`	`school, work, and s.b.o`
`04:58.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`04:58.47`	`Noodleman`	`and my new ps one :-)`
`04:58.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`S B O?`
`04:58.56`	`Noodleman`	`got it for 50 bucks`
`04:59.01`	`Noodleman`	`stats.bzflag.org`
`04:59.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`04:59.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OHHH!!!`
`04:59.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, you should have a Map Search`
`05:00.11`	`Noodleman`	`i could prolly put a drop-down menu at the top like i have on http://vote.noodleroni.com/`
`05:01.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea, then the map search just off to the right`
`05:01.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`(?)`
`05:01.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Maybe searches for highest ranked... user... map title, ect.`
`05:02.06`	`Noodleman`	`maybe`
`05:02.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That would be easy user access`
`05:03.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`On yours, the drop-down menu is successful because the lack of maps... Here, the amount grow unseizingly`
`05:04.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"Don't steal... the IRS hates competition!" LOL!! Thats funny!`
`05:04.11`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`05:04.19`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.noodleroni.com/quips.php`
`05:04.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`05:07.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Here's a quip thingy "quips are not responding... YOU DIDN'T SEE THIS!"`
`05:07.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`05:08.16`	`*** join/#bzflag MrAC (dbrosius@209.195.250.115)`
`05:09.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi MAC`
`05:10.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle: Maybe take out the <AT> and the <DOT> things in the e-mail?`
`05:11.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or just have them auto-link to their e-mail?`
`05:11.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just a thought`
`05:14.57`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@adsl-64-172-197-35.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`05:15.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi Jeff`
`05:16.04`	`Patlabor221`	`hey`
`05:16.24`	`Patlabor221`	`what up G?`
`05:16.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think Noodleman is adding a search for maps`
`05:16.29`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`05:16.39`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be a nice feature`
`05:16.54`	`*** join/#bzflag weenmasta (~40acc523@203.194.240.139)`
`05:17.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Me? G?`
`05:17.36`	`Patlabor221`	`sure haven't you ever heard "what up G?"`
`05:17.47`	`Patlabor221`	`or "howzit go'n dawg"?`
`05:19.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nuttin' much, homie. Jus' rollin' in the crib, dawg!`
`05:19.40`	`weenmasta`	`crib? noone says crib anymore.`
`05:19.45`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`05:19.59`	`Patlabor221`	`so what you been up to?`
`05:20.00`	`Noodleman`	`peace out, dude`
`05:20.03`	`Noodleman`	`oooh`
`05:20.06`	`Noodleman`	`old stuff :-)`
`05:20.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You goin'?`
`05:20.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Peace and dude don't mix`
`05:20.28`	`Patlabor221`	`why not?`
`05:20.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And lots of ppl say crib still`
`05:20.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dude is a sign of refuge`
`05:21.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Hmmm, I think I got my def. all messed up`
`05:21.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~refuge`
`05:21.15`	`Patlabor221`	`actually it's 1) a wart on a donkeys ass, or 2) somone who works with horses`
`05:21.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~dict refuge`
`05:21.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`A dude is an ingrown hair on an elephant's ass`
`05:21.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wanna hear a joke?`
`05:22.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You have a donkey and I have a rooster, your donkey bites off my rooster's feet. What's it called?`
`05:23.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Two feet of my cock in your ass`
`05:23.12`	`Patlabor221`	`bad`
`05:23.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`05:23.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`05:32.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sorry`
`05:32.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Fell asleep checking email`
`05:33.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`05:46.02`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: I assume you mean hostname, not subdomain. Sure.`
`05:46.14`	`TimRiker`	`and please keep the channel chatter clean.`
`05:47.23`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: send me an email with the hostname you want and what it should point to (either IP or another DNS name)`
`05:48.04`	`TimRiker`	`I don't offer dynamic dns, but you could point to (CNAME) a dynamic entry like example.dyndns.org etc.`
`05:48.42`	`TimRiker`	`heh. CGI:IRC...`
`05:55.49`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (~4021f107@203.194.240.139)`
`05:56.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`back`
`05:56.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim`
`05:58.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone?`
`05:59.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hello?`
`05:59.22`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: I assume you mean hostname, not subdomain. Sure.`
`05:59.25`	`TimRiker`	`and please keep the channel chatter clean.`
`05:59.29`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: send me an email with the hostname you want and what it should point to (either IP or another DNS name)`
`05:59.34`	`TimRiker`	`I don't offer dynamic dns, but you could point to (CNAME) a dynamic entry like example.dyndns.org etc.`
`06:00.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`timriker: as ibot would say, "You've lost me"`
`06:00.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I did`
`06:01.13`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: you want creeperz.bzflag.org yes? what do you want it to point to? I also need a real name and email address for my records.`
`06:01.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But it was kinda taking up room...plus I hardly ever used it`
`06:01.31`	`TimRiker`	`it's not a "sub-domain", it's just a "host" entry.`
`06:01.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Terry Caulfield <webriot3@hotmail.com>`
`06:02.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`06:02.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What do I want it to point to? What does that mean?`
`06:02.38`	`TimRiker`	`what machine are you planning to host it on?`
`06:02.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Windows`
`06:02.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ME`
`06:02.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`??`
`06:03.02`	`TimRiker`	`no. IP address or DNS name.`
`06:03.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...?`
`06:03.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`IP.bzflag.org?`
`06:03.34`	`TimRiker`	`your box is connected to the internet, yes? how? and what IP address?`
`06:03.43`	`TimRiker`	`is it running a server at the moment?`
`06:03.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes... Dial-up...I have an alternating IP`
`06:03.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`06:04.17`	`TimRiker`	`hence my comment that I don't offer dynamic dns.`
`06:04.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`06:04.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...`
`06:04.38`	`TimRiker`	`you need a fixed IP address or you need to setup something like dyndns.org`
`06:04.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I hate dyndns.org`
`06:05.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`j\k`
`06:05.17`	`TimRiker`	`there are other dynamic dns providers, that's just an example.`
`06:05.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You want me to NOT get a "host-entry" from you and just go with dyndns.org?`
`06:06.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle`
`06:06.10`	`TimRiker`	`dyndns.org or similar would get you creeperz.dyndns.org and then I can make creeperx.bzflag.org an alias for creepers.dyndns.org`
`06:06.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`06:06.36`	`TimRiker`	`heh. s/creeper[sx]/creeperz/`
`06:07.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I would upload ti dyndns.org and it would just appear on bzflag.org?`
`06:07.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`it*`
`06:07.31`	`Noodleman`	`[STC]_creeperz: you called?`
`06:07.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Never mind, noodle`
`06:07.53`	`TimRiker`	`the b.o entry would be a CNAME (like a pointer) to the dyndns.org name. so when dyndns.org gets updated the b.o name would work as well.`
`06:07.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I got it all figured out, I guess`
`06:08.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`06:08.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thats a paraphrase to what I said above?`
`06:08.28`	`TimRiker`	`what do you plan on hosting there over your dialup line?`
`06:09.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Maps, that spiffy cool "Online Players" script. Maps`
`06:09.15`	`TimRiker`	`paraphrase... more or less, yes. you don't "upload", you "update" but you were on the right track.`
`06:09.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How-to make a map... ect/`
`06:09.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`06:09.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`.*`
`06:09.46`	`TimRiker`	`you know you can create pages in the wiki on the main site, yes?`
`06:09.54`	`TimRiker`	`http://BZFlag.org/wiki/`
`06:10.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm not all that smart... But I betchyu I know a little bit...ok, alot more, than most middle school students here in SD`
`06:10.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No... I didn't`
`06:10.34`	`TimRiker`	`well, now you do.`
`06:11.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, ok`
`06:12.18`	`Patlabor221`	`I use no-ip.com they work very well`
`06:13.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`aka servegame.com?`
`06:13.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I think that is one of there domains`
`06:13.34`	`Patlabor221`	`they have many`
`06:13.35`	`Noodleman`	`i was going to write some dynamic dns scripts`
`06:13.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`06:13.42`	`Noodleman`	`guess this is as good a time as any :-)`
`06:13.44`	`Patlabor221`	`I use them for my own cusomt domain tho`
`06:14.30`	`Noodleman`	`i use good ol' djbdns :-)`
`06:14.45`	`TimRiker`	`apt-get install ddclient`
`06:14.46`	`Noodleman`	`if course my server has a static ip :-P`
`06:14.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When will the cool new release for BZFlag come out?`
`06:14.58`	`TimRiker`	`any minute now. ;-)`
`06:15.01`	`Noodleman`	`"soon, now" :-)`
`06:15.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Any minute?!`
`06:15.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"minute"`
`06:15.35`	`Patlabor221`	`mac making installers?`
`06:15.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`min-ut or MIE-NOOT?`
`06:16.01`	`Noodleman`	`in a minute minute :-)`
`06:16.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim`
`06:16.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How bout a flag that fires a bullet with a SW around it?`
`06:16.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`06:16.37`	`TimRiker`	`heh. seriously, I think g2 could ship this week.`
`06:17.02`	`TimRiker`	`just a larger shot. perhaps. what's the flag weakness?`
`06:17.39`	`Patlabor221`	`the godzilla flag`
`06:17.49`	`TimRiker`	`again, what's the weakness?`
`06:18.29`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm the only weakness to the godzilla flag is plane and simple logic and common sense`
`06:18.49`	`Noodleman`	`TimRiker: how many ppl have bought one of the o'really shirts?`
`06:18.57`	`Noodleman`	`sry, OT :-)`
`06:19.23`	`TimRiker`	`6 shirts so far iirc. /me checks`
`06:19.37`	`Patlabor221`	`wearing mine now :)`
`06:20.08`	`Noodleman`	`i got mine yesterday, gunna wear it to my bzflag LAN party on sunday :-)`
`06:20.34`	`TimRiker`	`yep. 6 shirts. mine's not here yet.`
`06:20.50`	`TimRiker`	`Noodleman: cool! tell em all where to buy one. ;-)`
`06:21.06`	`Noodleman`	`yup, will do :-)`
`06:21.25`	`Noodleman`	`it will actually be more of a WAN party`
`06:21.41`	`Noodleman`	`bzdoug will be joining, and maybe a few others`
`06:22.14`	`Noodleman`	`but most of the ppl playing will be on my LAN`
`06:23.35`	`TimRiker`	`where are you? Denver?`
`06:24.02`	`Noodleman`	`no, bend, or`
`06:24.50`	`TimRiker`	`zip?`
`06:24.56`	`Noodleman`	`97702`
`06:28.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Awwww`
`06:29.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LAN party?`
`06:30.07`	`Patlabor221`	`you know what a LAN is?`
`06:31.05`	`TimRiker`	`http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&2n=DESCHUTES+COUNTY&2np=13&1n=UTAH+COUNTY&ct=NA&1y=US&1a=257+CHERRY+DR&1p=&1c=OREM&1s=UT&1z=84058-5301&1ah=&2ex=1&2pd=Mj2cZBnvfLgHheNYiSlcEvhmpvupyNWaUjm22m9P8KLJZKPw0cNNAahPMTo%252bXDFWRUVXsD2dt9lOZUaCtjU4BUD3%252f3Agb5%252fewnyE5tOArpyRwnL6pPcGxA%253d%253d&2n=DESCHUTES+COUNTY&2np=13&2s=OR&2c=BEND&2g=Maoc7h17UmfU6a4WbIe3xw%253d%253d&2y=US&2z=97702&2l=hcyvzi1USf8%253d&lr=2&x=62&y=11`
`06:31.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I forgot... It comes and goes... My knowledge, right now I'm tired so that don't help any`
`06:31.19`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. 13 hour drive might be a bit much for a lan party. ;-)`
`06:31.21`	`Patlabor221`	`LOcal area network`
`06:31.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where in Utah do you live, Tim?`
`06:31.44`	`TimRiker`	`Orem`
`06:32.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How far away from Salt Lake?`
`06:33.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What all goes on at these "LAN Parties"?`
`06:35.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, dead crowd`
`06:35.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need to get some rest anyway`
`06:35.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Big trip to Salt Lake later this week`
`06:36.02`	`TimRiker`	`45 minutes south of SLC`
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`10:40.29`	`ak\|ra`	`hi chet`
`10:40.29`	`ak\|ra`	`hi chest`
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`12:20.40`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
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`12:42.23`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`12:56.36`	`bomber`	`~ducati6`
`13:05.03`	`bomber`	`~ducati6`
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`13:13.31`	`Jormungandr`	`morning MrApathyCream`
`13:26.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`lo`
`13:27.06`	`Chestal`	`hi MAC`
`13:27.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`howdy`
`13:27.51`	`Chestal`	`I got some new insights on the CLOSE_WAIT issue, not quite sure what happens, but the logs at least helped a little. Was goign to discuss it with Tim yesterday, but as usual lately we cannot find a time where we are all active`
`13:29.59`	`Jormungandr`	`my CLOSE_WAIT from yesterday eventually timed out.`
`13:30.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`13:30.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh bbiab`
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`14:50.33`	`Chestal`	`hi capN`
`14:50.42`	`CapN`	`hey chestal`
`14:51.09`	`CapN`	`2 matches....no wins yet :)`
`14:52.13`	`[dmp]`	`hi capn :)`
`14:52.14`	`Chestal`	`yep, saw the 2nd match result 1 hour ago`
`14:52.27`	`Chestal`	`CapN: it's become tough out there`
`14:52.28`	`CapN`	`hey dmp....sry i missed the 2nd one`
`14:52.50`	`CapN`	`oh dont you worry...we will get going :)`
`14:53.18`	`[dmp]`	`It was okay. Even if the result dosnt show it, 20 mins of the game was very equal.`
`14:54.02`	`CapN`	`the first match was a battle man...back and forth`
`14:54.11`	`[dmp]`	`And our last score, was only because your team risked it. Eg. They were trying to make it a draw so they didnt protect the flag much. Until it was too late. I would have done the same :-)`
`14:54.25`	`[dmp]`	`Yeah, they said that it was much more harder.`
`14:55.40`	`CapN`	`yeah...its so weird 2 on 2...when you go for the flag...my tank seems to slow down :)`
`14:55.50`	`[dmp]`	`hehe`
`14:56.13`	`[dmp]`	`i'm still puzzled over, that sometimes it seems (on the radar, at least) that bullets travel at different speeds.`
`14:56.22`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`14:57.19`	`CapN`	`dmp: the bullets do...depending on the motion of the tank...forwards backwards etc.`
`14:57.43`	`CapN`	`ches. could give you a more 'technical' explanation of that :)`
`14:57.55`	`doughecka`	`the wind pushes the bullets`
`14:57.57`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`15:00.22`	`[dmp]`	`ah`
`15:00.47`	`[dmp]`	`I look funny when i play bzflag.. When i get too involved in the game, i dodge with my body :)`
`15:00.52`	`[dmp]`	`i think it helps.`
`15:00.54`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`15:02.25`	`Chestal`	`well, effective shot speed = current tank speed + basic shot speed`
`15:02.39`	`[dmp]`	`aha.`
`15:02.45`	`Chestal`	`shots go at 100m/s, tanks can reach 25m/s forward and 12.5m/s backward`
`15:03.01`	`Chestal`	`so when you go forward, show will go at 125m/s, when you go backward at 87.5m/s`
`15:03.12`	`[dmp]`	`that makes sense..`
`15:03.12`	`Chestal`	`with high speed the difference is even bigger`
`15:03.26`	`Chestal`	`I'm still puzzled that even some veteran players don't know that :-)`
`15:03.38`	`CapN`	`i know....me too :)`
`15:03.38`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`15:03.43`	`[dmp]`	`well, i'm a newbie compared to some of you gyts :)`
`15:03.54`	`[dmp]`	`guys`
`15:04.00`	`Chestal`	`dmp: maybe, but I wasn't referring to you :-)`
`15:04.02`	`CapN`	`thx for the formal explanation Chestal`
`15:05.20`	`CapN`	`alright...i had better go practice :)`
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`16:20.57`	`bomber`	`bye`
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`16:47.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`mornin`
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`16:51.04`	`h0tz`	`hi`
`16:51.12`	`h0tz`	`i need little help`
`16:51.55`	`h0tz`	`i�m running a proxy and my bzflag does not find any servers.....`
`16:52.00`	`h0tz`	`why??`
`16:53.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huh`
`16:53.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`try rebooting pc`
`16:53.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:)`
`16:53.52`	`h0tz`	`bah - do you really think that helps?!`
`16:55.36`	`h0tz`	`yeah, well i�ll try it.....cu`
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`17:02.48`	`[dmp]`	`morn tea.`
`17:09.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hey dmp`
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`17:16.38`	`h0tz`	`back again :)`
`17:16.57`	`h0tz`	`it did NOT help :/`
`17:17.27`	`h0tz`	`but actually bzflag "cant�t open list server"`
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`17:26.41`	`[dmp]`	`h0tz: have you tried to ping the address? or get the list manually?`
`17:27.29`	`Chestal`	`h0tz: what do you mean by 'you run a proxy'?`
`17:27.41`	`Chestal`	`h0tz: canyou access web sites at port 80 without using the proxy?`
`17:28.48`	`Chestal`	`bzflag tries to get http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt (or whatever is in your config file)`
`17:29.21`	`Chestal`	`this contains bzflist://204.228.134.186:5156/ curently, you can use this directly, when you can not access port 80 directly`
`17:29.32`	`Chestal`	`bzflag -list bzflist://204.228.134.186:5156/`
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`17:29.59`	`Chestal`	`only problem: when list server changes IP`
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`17:55.13`	`h0tz`	`chestal: i run a proxy-server on another pc`
`17:56.10`	`h0tz`	`i access web-sites at port 53 over the proxy`
`17:57.04`	`h0tz`	`because so i can fix the "freenode proxy-search"....`
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`18:03.17`	`metal_magic`	`Chestal: are you here?`
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`18:09.55`	`fiberchunks`	`Patlabor221: you around?`
`18:17.14`	`h0tz`	`can somebody say me a running server??`
`18:21.06`	`metal_magic`	`bzflag server?`
`18:21.11`	`h0tz`	`yepp`
`18:21.21`	`metal_magic`	`e118.brno.mistral.cz :-)`
`18:21.32`	`h0tz`	`which port?`
`18:21.42`	`metal_magic`	`5155`
`18:22.50`	`h0tz`	`mhmhm - error when connecting to server :(`
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`18:23.22`	`metal_magic`	`impossible`
`18:23.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`^huhu`
`18:23.32`	`h0tz`	`nope`
`18:23.42`	`metal_magic`	`which ip address do you have?`
`18:23.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`h0tz works?`
`18:23.48`	`h0tz`	`nope`
`18:24.37`	`h0tz`	`217.134..`
`18:24.54`	`metal_magic`	`what is .? :-)`
`18:25.03`	`h0tz`	`tjy`
`18:25.17`	`h0tz`	`174.40`
`18:25.36`	`metal_magic`	`try it again`
`18:26.46`	`h0tz`	`no it does not work`
`18:26.59`	`metal_magic`	`i haven't received any packet from you`
`18:27.09`	`h0tz`	`and i am still not able to find server`
`18:27.10`	`metal_magic`	`and the server works certainly`
`18:27.18`	`h0tz`	`mom`
`18:27.29`	`metal_magic`	`the problem is somewhere in your network`
`18:27.35`	`metal_magic`	`aren't you behind firewall?`
`18:29.19`	`metal_magic`	`i have to go`
`18:29.20`	`metal_magic`	`cu`
`18:29.23`	`h0tz`	`yepp`
`18:29.32`	`h0tz`	`it seems so - cu2`
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`18:41.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`h0tz?`
`18:41.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`whats your CLIENT from bzflag`
`18:41.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`g0?`
`18:43.00`	`h0tz`	`yes`
`18:43.36`	`h0tz`	`i just tested it on the server without the proxy and it works....`
`18:43.50`	`h0tz`	`but the speed is bad :/`
`18:43.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`good`
`18:43.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ooh`
`18:43.58`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`cot udp on?`
`18:44.23`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`got`
`18:44.43`	`h0tz`	`yeah - but it is the cpu (p2-350mhz) and the graphics card`
`18:44.53`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i have 500 Mhz`
`18:45.01`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`and graphic card sucks`
`18:45.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`on this pc :)`
`18:45.14`	`h0tz`	`yeah this pc has 700mhz`
`18:45.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`other one P4 2 Ghz GF4`
`18:45.31`	`h0tz`	`ok`
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`18:46.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`CobraA1`
`18:46.17`	`CobraA2`	`What happened to irc.openprojects.net?`
`18:46.18`	`h0tz`	`so it is n network problem or a bzflag problem with the network becuase all other apps work fine`
`18:46.36`	`Jormungandr`	`openprojects changed to freenode`
`18:46.36`	`h0tz`	`^^it changed to irc.freenode.net :P`
`18:46.45`	`CobraA2`	`didn't catch that`
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`18:47.19`	`lampert`	`~ducati6`
`18:48.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Cobra?`
`18:48.49`	`CobraA2`	`yes?`
`18:48.56`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`its changed about 1 month already :)`
`18:49.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`irc.openprojects.org:5156 -----> now its irc.freenode.net:5156`
`18:49.36`	`CobraA2`	`I noticed that - but I never figured out what it changed to.`
`18:49.38`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sorta`
`18:49.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:)`
`18:49.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`the server name`
`18:49.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`delete openprojects`
`18:50.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`put in irc.freenode.net:5156`
`18:50.23`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`BTW irc.freenode.net ; port 5156`
`18:50.32`	`CobraA2`	`k, deleted`
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`19:02.02`	`Cell`	`lo`
`19:03.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`aaaaaaaaaah`
`19:03.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`why dos bzedit take so long?`
`19:03.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sitting yeats to make a building`
`19:03.41`	`Cell`	`?`
`19:03.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`years`
`19:03.56`	`Cell`	`invite all who live in Munich to my graduate party`
`19:04.08`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ach ja cell bist ja deutsch`
`19:04.14`	`Cell`	`ja`
`19:04.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`vergiss dass immer wieder`
`19:04.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`grie� di nachbar`
`19:04.26`	`Cell`	`:)`
`19:05.15`	`Cell`	`coll, mach grad ne Seite f�r meine Party`
`19:06.32`	`Cell`	`is aber erst in 2 monaten, ich lad euch dann alle ein :)`
`19:07.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`h0tz au deutsch`
`19:07.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o)`
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`19:33.54`	`Cell`	`oh my brother is back from england`
`19:35.15`	`Cell`	`we met at ducati`
`19:35.23`	`Cell`	`lot of times`
`19:36.48`	`Cell`	`now that you know he is Cell too`
`19:37.02`	`Cell`	`lol`
`19:37.22`	`Cell`	`thats the super power`
`19:40.01`	`Cell`	`thats why i called it clash of the super powers, cheater vs cheater`
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`20:41.15`	`calico`	`hi all`
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`20:55.28`	`h0tz`	`<-- back`
`20:55.39`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (timr@rikers.org)`
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`21:04.53`	`Noodleman_telnet`	`hey`
`21:06.59`	`Noodleman_telnet`	`my normailil irc client isn't working :-\/`
`21:09.22`	`Noodleman`	`[D[D[D[D[DNickServ :IDENTIFY feb2486`
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`21:13.43`	`Jormungandr`	`ooops`
`21:13.47`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:13.51`	`Jormungandr`	`so.`
`21:14.05`	`Noodleman`	`type the wrong thing as root :-)? :-P`
`21:14.42`	`Jormungandr`	`anyone remember what CTF map has the spiral stairs in the corners, elevated bases, teleport/tower in the middle?`
`21:14.59`	`Jormungandr`	`one REALLY high spot to teleport to`
`21:15.08`	`Noodleman`	`helix does`
`21:15.16`	`Jormungandr`	`you have to jump on bases from second level`
`21:15.17`	`Noodleman`	`http://vote.noodleroni.com/`
`21:15.24`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`21:15.32`	`Jormungandr`	`I thought helix was the one in cvs`
`21:15.43`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm using helix 2`
`21:15.47`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm.`
`21:15.55`	`Noodleman`	`that is hix`
`21:16.01`	`Noodleman`	`i did one called helix`
`21:16.15`	`Jormungandr`	`w00`
`21:16.16`	`Jormungandr`	`cool`
`21:16.22`	`Jormungandr`	`I think I'm gunna run it on secretplace :)`
`21:16.27`	`Jormungandr`	`I like it better than hix`
`21:16.34`	`Jormungandr`	`although hix is fun`
`21:16.38`	`Jormungandr`	`oh`
`21:16.42`	`Jormungandr`	`there is a bug in helix`
`21:16.51`	`Jormungandr`	`where you can hide flags so they can't be picked up.`
`21:17.31`	`Noodleman`	`emailemail me with athe progdetailed description of the problem`
`21:17.39`	`Noodleman`	`i'll try to fix it`
`21:17.50`	`Jormungandr`	`okie. I might have to let it play for a while to manifest the problem.`
`21:18.00`	`Noodleman`	`ok`
`21:18.57`	`Jormungandr`	`campy swampy is fun :)`
`21:19.01`	`Jormungandr`	`errr camp`
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`21:23.44`	`Chestal`	`hi TIm`
`21:25.36`	`TimRiker`	`so ship it? ;-)`
`21:26.27`	`Chestal`	`I have new insights into the CLOSE_WAIT issue`
`21:26.40`	`Chestal`	`not that I understand it to 100%, but I have a possible fix`
`21:27.36`	`Chestal`	`I just came home, have to open a few windows here, too bad I cannot simply attach my office desktop from here`
`21:28.12`	`Chestal`	`Player [10] accept() from 213.152.53.207:3442 on 17`
`21:28.12`	`Chestal`	`Player [10] shutdownAcceptClient: close(17)`
`21:28.12`	`Chestal`	`Player [12] addClient: close(-1)`
`21:28.17`	`Chestal`	`this is from my log`
`21:28.41`	`Chestal`	`a player tries to join. For some reason, the initial TCP connectins gets shutdown`
`21:28.52`	`Chestal`	`but then there's action on the reconnect port`
`21:29.24`	`Chestal`	`addCLient has a loop where is searches for the first player which is in PlayerAccept state`
`21:29.38`	`Chestal`	`but it doesn't find one because of the shutdown call`
`21:29.48`	`Chestal`	`it doesn't check for this condition however`
`21:29.57`	`Chestal`	`you'll notice that player slot 12 is used above`
`21:30.08`	`Chestal`	`which doesn't even exist, I ahve 8 player+4 observers, so slots from 0 to 11`
`21:30.31`	`Chestal`	`this reconnect stuff is evil, evil, evil`
`21:30.49`	`Chestal`	`my idea of a fix: in addCLient check if a player slot has been found, if not, accept the connectin and close it immediately`
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`21:36.51`	`Noodleman`	`xchat on windows sure it buggy`
`21:37.22`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:38.04`	`h0tz`	`ok........my bzflag says "server version bzfs107e" and than it gets an error!`
`21:38.21`	`h0tz`	`whats wrong??`
`21:38.30`	`Noodleman`	`what error?`
`21:38.45`	`h0tz`	`just a connection error`
`21:38.55`	`Noodleman`	`do you have the full error message?`
`21:39.01`	`h0tz`	`no`
`21:39.07`	`h0tz`	`welll mom`
`21:39.32`	`Noodleman`	`you need to be prepared before you ask the questions`
`21:39.38`	`h0tz`	`yeah`
`21:40.02`	`h0tz`	`its only "error connecting to server"`
`21:40.18`	`h0tz`	`thats all`
`21:40.19`	`Noodleman`	`which server?`
`21:40.35`	`h0tz`	`80.192.66.192:2003`
`21:40.44`	`Noodleman`	`that server is funky`
`21:41.03`	`h0tz`	`why`
`21:41.09`	`Noodleman`	`it always loads my stats list with weird usernames and scores`
`21:41.17`	`h0tz`	`lol`
`21:41.35`	`Noodleman`	`s/usernames/callsigns/g`
`21:41.57`	`h0tz`	`ehm, perhaps the prob is my proxy too - but i forwarded the ports`
`21:42.10`	`Noodleman`	`proxy shouldn't be a problem`
`21:42.15`	`Noodleman`	`are you nat'ted?`
`21:42.32`	`h0tz`	`im what??`
`21:42.43`	`h0tz`	`sorry waht does it mean`
`21:42.48`	`Noodleman`	`are you behind a firewall that forwards your connections?`
`21:42.49`	`h0tz`	`im not english....`
`21:42.55`	`h0tz`	`ah yep`
`21:43.10`	`Noodleman`	`can you connect to other servers?`
`21:43.14`	`h0tz`	`eh no behind a proxy`
`21:43.31`	`h0tz`	`no i cannot connect to ather servers`
`21:43.44`	`Noodleman`	`try to set up your proxy so that you can connect to other servers`
`21:44.02`	`h0tz`	`yepp i tried`
`21:44.14`	`h0tz`	`it didnt work`
`21:44.43`	`Chestal`	`you cannot play bzflag without a real (= at least NATed) internet connection`
`21:44.50`	`Chestal`	`at least not with UDP`
`21:45.08`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm I wonder if I set up a proxy if I could use it to connect my nat'd boxes more reliably.`
`21:45.32`	`Chestal`	`na, proxies for anything but http are evil`
`21:45.55`	`h0tz`	`hmpf - i disabled udp in bzflag`
`21:46.12`	`Jormungandr`	`if more than one person in my house is on a bzflag server, we have many issues.`
`21:46.19`	`Chestal`	`most servers will enforce UDP, but that's not your problem right now, but it will bite you later`
`21:46.31`	`Chestal`	`you specified prots to forward manually? which ones?`
`21:46.47`	`h0tz`	`36/37`
`21:47.04`	`Chestal`	`Jorm: there can be problems when you join at the same time`
`21:47.12`	`Noodleman`	`bzflag server ports are usually 5155 anf 5156`
`21:47.18`	`Chestal`	`Jorm: best if one joins and drives around, so bzflag can learn the UDP port, then next one joins`
`21:47.56`	`h0tz`	`yep i know i set the local ports 36/37 to be the right port at the bzflag server`
`21:48.28`	`Chestal`	`not every server uses 5155/5156`
`21:48.30`	`h0tz`	`in this case 2003`
`21:49.18`	`Chestal`	`faking ports won't work, that is if I understood what you did`
`21:50.10`	`h0tz`	`i didnt fake them i made an xtra gateway for them....`
`21:50.42`	`Chestal`	`yes, but you seem to use other port numbers`
`21:50.53`	`Chestal`	`I don't really understand what you did`
`21:51.24`	`Chestal`	`with your proxy approach, you migh tbe able to connect to one specific bzflag server at a time with TCP only, when you're lucky the server allows TCP`
`21:51.31`	`Chestal`	`you won't be happy with this in the long run`
`21:51.45`	`Chestal`	`you should really setup NAT`
`21:52.27`	`h0tz`	`yep im only able to connect to one specific but either with tcp OR udp`
`21:54.06`	`Chestal`	`bzfalg connect to -p port TCP, then reconnects to -pr port. UDP pakcets usually originate at port 17200 (client= and go to -p port (server) and vice versa`
`21:54.18`	`Chestal`	`client UDP port might also be 17201, 17202 etc.`
`21:56.31`	`Jormungandr`	`chestal, that's what we do.. but sometimes it just fails anyway.`
`21:56.52`	`Chestal`	`well, protocl breaking version should improve on that`
`21:56.56`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`21:56.59`	`Jormungandr`	`that's the hope`
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`22:04.43`	`h0tz`	`ok.....thx for the help so far......cu`
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`22:10.25`	`Noodleman`	`don't worry, i removed most of it's talking`
`22:10.30`	`Noodleman`	`it mostly only logs now`
`22:10.40`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`22:11.12`	`Noodleman`	`it still does this tho`
`22:11.17`	`Noodleman`	`insult Jormungandr`
`22:11.18`	`Noodlebot`	`thou hast not so much brain as earwax, Jormungandr.`
`22:11.20`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`22:11.25`	`Noodleman`	`insult Jormungandr`
`22:11.26`	`Noodlebot`	`thou hast not so much brain as earwax, Jormungandr.`
`22:11.29`	`Noodleman`	`ahh`
`22:11.30`	`Jormungandr`	`~lart noodleman`
`22:11.34`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:11.41`	`Noodleman`	`it shouldn't do it twice in a row`
`22:11.47`	`Jormungandr`	`oh`
`22:11.54`	`Noodleman`	`lemme fix something`
`22:12.03`	`Jormungandr`	`it's not as original as it should be :)`
`22:12.26`	`Noodleman`	`no, it shouldn't insult more than once per minute`
`22:12.26`	`Noodlebot`	`thou art pigeon-liver'd and lack gall, more than once per minute`
`22:12.52`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
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`22:15.01`	`doughecka`	`uh oh`
`22:15.01`	`Jormungandr`	`grrrr. someone VERY naughy on my server :(`
`22:15.13`	`Noodleman`	`~insult doughecka`
`22:15.13`	`Noodlebot`	`thou art not so big as a round little worm, doughecka.`
`22:15.25`	`Jormungandr`	`~secretplace`
`22:15.32`	`Jormungandr`	`:(`
`22:15.35`	`Noodleman`	`ok, my bot acts good now :-)`
`22:15.37`	`doughecka`	`Noodlebot: last time it got banned...`
`22:15.39`	`doughecka`	`ahh`
`22:15.40`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:16.18`	`Noodleman`	`when i get home, i'm going to write a bzflag admin bot`
`22:16.27`	`Jormungandr`	`yay!`
`22:16.45`	`Noodleman`	`i'm sick of not being able to take care of stuff remotely too`
`22:17.16`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:17.25`	`Noodleman`	`i mean away from home`
`22:17.37`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`22:18.24`	`Jormungandr`	`doug?`
`22:18.28`	`doughecka`	`yea?`
`22:18.33`	`Jormungandr`	`can you go on and just ban 12.252.206.172`
`22:18.36`	`Jormungandr`	`please/`
`22:18.37`	`Jormungandr`	`?`
`22:18.51`	`doughecka`	`yah`
`22:18.54`	`Jormungandr`	`fanks`
`22:18.54`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:19.44`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`22:19.47`	`Jormungandr`	`?`
`22:19.49`	`doughecka`	`if I can find my password file`
`22:19.50`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:21.25`	`doughecka`	`presto`
`22:23.22`	`Jormungandr`	`thank you`
`22:23.25`	`Jormungandr`	`very much`
`22:23.26`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:24.20`	`TimRiker`	`Chestal: sorry for lagging.... that sounds like it might be right.`
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`22:26.52`	`Noodleman`	`don't worry, noodlebot behaves itself now :-)`
`22:27.03`	`Noodleman`	`it only logs the chat`
`22:27.15`	`Noodleman`	`and does shakepearean insults :-)`
`22:27.29`	`Noodleman`	`but only once every minute at most`
`22:27.35`	`Jormungandr`	`I suppose I should apply the banlist on the forums.`
`22:27.44`	`Jormungandr`	`I also think we need external ban file`
`22:27.47`	`Chestal`	`Tim: I added a few lines to addCLient as described. Shoudl I push it up to CVS? those are untested, but ducati might go for over a week withotu a CLOSE_WAIT; so it might be better if you test it on xmission`
`22:28.01`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: shared with all the other servers..`
`22:28.10`	`Jormungandr`	`that's not a bad idea.`
`22:28.15`	`Jormungandr`	`maybe a ban listserver`
`22:28.22`	`doughecka`	`or only special server`
`22:28.37`	`doughecka`	`becuase we dont want a rouge server to ban ...`
`22:28.40`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:29.02`	`Chestal`	`I'll use my own banlists for now`
`22:29.12`	`Chestal`	`actually it only contians one IP so far`
`22:29.36`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:29.51`	`Chestal`	`I don't trust the bzcops banlists`
`22:30.08`	`Jormungandr`	`their should also be a way for admins to go into observer mode without loosing their scores. :)`
`22:30.41`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm driving home. back in a few.`
`22:30.45`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: heh`
`22:30.55`	`doughecka`	`or change teams for that matter`
`22:31.03`	`Noodleman`	`me and jzaun are working on adding accountability to the bzcop program`
`22:31.23`	`Noodleman`	`you can see a draft of our plans here: http://stats.bzflag.org/new/bzc.php`
`22:33.30`	`Noodleman`	`we are very much open to suggestions, btw`
`22:34.03`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`22:43.16`	`Chestal`	`Tim: saw my question about CVS?`
`22:43.52`	`TimRiker`	`if the theory is right, the CLOSE_WAIT would be on the -pr port, yes?`
`22:44.24`	`Chestal`	`hmm, let me think`
`22:44.31`	`Chestal`	`I think so, yes`
`22:45.06`	`Chestal`	`hmm, I have one on -pr and one on -p :-\|`
`22:45.08`	`TimRiker`	`yes. I have 7 CLOSE_WAITs and they are all on 5157`
`22:45.39`	`Chestal`	`maybe there is another, less common bug`
`22:45.50`	`Chestal`	`whatever, the change shouldn#t do any harm`
`22:45.59`	`Chestal`	`becaus eit only kicks in when something has gone wrong anyway`
`22:50.12`	`TimRiker`	`Chestal: so you close the -pr handle if there is no -p to close?`
`22:50.40`	`TimRiker`	`we should be able to just pick one that is already closed and accept() no?`
`22:51.54`	`Chestal`	`there ight be none`
`22:52.05`	`Chestal`	`could all be used up`
`22:52.11`	`Chestal`	`it's an error anyway`
`22:52.21`	`Chestal`	`I just added in addCLient:`
`22:52.37`	`TimRiker`	`we should put in another loop that checks for an open slot. accept() if we get one, and accept(),close() if not.`
`22:52.58`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:52.58`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:52.58`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:52.58`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:52.58`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:53.03`	`Chestal`	`hmm`
`22:55.14`	`Chestal`	`the question is why would shutdownacceptcleint be called`
`22:55.21`	`Chestal`	`it#s some unexpected condition`
`22:55.32`	`Chestal`	`and the player who caused this unexpected condition that reconnects`
`22:55.37`	`Chestal`	`so I'd just dump the player`
`22:55.49`	`*** join/#bzflag CobraA1 (CobraA1@68.114.204.112)`
`22:55.50`	`Chestal`	`s/that/then/`
`22:55.53`	`Chestal`	`hi A1`
`22:55.56`	`TimRiker`	`could high lag cause it?`
`22:56.10`	`Chestal`	`I'm not 100% familiar with the intitial join phase`
`22:56.17`	`Chestal`	`it could be a timeout`
`22:56.24`	`TimRiker`	`I suppose the player would just retry and if the lag is that high there's no point in playing on that server anyway.`
`22:56.29`	`Chestal`	`there is DisconnectTimeout`
`22:56.37`	`TimRiker`	`ok. submit the change and let's try it on xmission.`
`22:56.42`	`Chestal`	`it's 10s`
`22:57.03`	`Chestal`	`no timestamps in my log, so I cannot tell if this might be it`
`22:57.17`	`Chestal`	`other thing which coud cause it is when client closes initial connection`
`22:57.20`	`TimRiker`	`yeah, I've thought about adding timestamps. ;-)`
`22:57.37`	`Chestal`	`I think when client terminates shortly after it connected, this might happen`
`22:57.59`	`Chestal`	`client connects to -p, server responds, client tries t connect to -pr and exits at about the same time`
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`22:58.21`	`TimRiker`	`submit and we'll try it?`
`22:58.33`	`Chestal`	`I'd say so`
`22:58.45`	`TimRiker`	`ok by me.`
`22:58.54`	`Chestal`	`you or me?`
`22:59.01`	`TimRiker`	`might as well be you. ;-)`
`23:00.00`	`Chestal`	`ok`
`23:00.23`	`Chestal`	`I'll start the new code tomorrow morning, ducati is always busy at this time of day`
`23:00.33`	`*** part/#bzflag ISFry (~Fry@65.168.86.30)`
`23:02.14`	`calico`	`hi`
`23:02.39`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (~d8b24432@203.194.240.139)`
`23:02.43`	`calico`	`i come looking for a match, dmp would ask but hes affraid to talk`
`23:02.48`	`calico`	`n:)`
`23:02.57`	`calico`	`stupid n`
`23:02.57`	`Chestal`	`hi MAC`
`23:03.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`heya`
`23:03.25`	`Chestal`	`calico: well, I'd play but I'm not allowed to :-)`
`23:03.27`	`[dmp]`	`:-p`
`23:03.45`	`calico`	`lol, why not`
`23:04.09`	`Chestal`	`taking a week off`
`23:04.18`	`calico`	`of bz`
`23:04.25`	`Chestal`	`yep, at least playing`
`23:04.32`	`calico`	`you cant do that :)`
`23:04.47`	`calico`	`you start to twitch after 8 hours`
`23:04.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`wifeepoo?`
`23:06.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal: is that bzfs change significant for CLOSE_WAIT?`
`23:06.42`	`Chestal`	`MAC: you migh tbe happy to hear that I just submitted a possible fix for the CLOSE_WAIT issue`
`23:06.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`23:06.54`	`Chestal`	`hmm :-)`
`23:07.10`	`Chestal`	`of course it needs 2 months of testing now ;-)`
`23:07.30`	`TimRiker`	`Chestal: submitted?`
`23:07.35`	`Chestal`	`TimRiker: yes`
`23:08.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`Tim, i think that you made this same fix when you did the wrong player is accepted fix attempt`
`23:08.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`:)`
`23:08.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`but that got backed out. soo.....`
`23:08.55`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: yeah, it was similar...`
`23:09.16`	`Chestal`	`when this does indeed work and at least gets rid of some of the lost fds, it should be ok to release`
`23:09.33`	`Chestal`	`thsi reconnect thign really is a mess by now - or maybe it always was`
`23:09.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`w00t`
`23:09.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`stupid,yup`
`23:10.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`will blame the ghosts of christmas past.`
`23:10.08`	`Chestal`	`first thing for 1.8? 1.9? 2.0? get rid of it and use simple player ids`
`23:10.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`23:10.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`If we can only talk tim into it ;)`
`23:10.59`	`Chestal`	`someone wrote 2 longer posts to one of the sf forums, did you read them? I even replied`
`23:11.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`no, checking`
`23:11.15`	`Chestal`	`we must do a bzflag 2.0 planning conference or soemthing :-)`
`23:11.44`	`Chestal`	`jzaun is coming to Germany in March, to a place not too far from me. MAybe you all can come, too ;-)`
`23:11.50`	`TimRiker`	`agreed. let's get g2 out first and then work on a game plan for 2.0`
`23:12.07`	`TimRiker`	`yeah. send me a ticket and I'll be there. ;-)`
`23:12.15`	`Chestal`	`do we really call it 2.0? that big number scares me`
`23:12.39`	`doughecka`	`1.9`
`23:13.02`	`TimRiker`	`it may very well be 2.0 but it will likely be 1.9 in development`
`23:14.19`	`TimRiker`	`local tests look ok even with a ton of bots. upgrading xmission`
`23:14.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`23:15.21`	`Chestal`	`bzfquery dies consistently when querying ducati 5156 right now`
`23:15.26`	`Chestal`	`I had that before`
`23:15.32`	`Chestal`	`~ducati6`
`23:15.48`	`Chestal`	`it dies before KR`
`23:16.02`	`Chestal`	`hmm, not anymore`
`23:16.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`Well, i should be back later, got class now... hopefully -> good job chestal`
`23:17.08`	`Chestal`	`I'm off to bed I think, cu`
`23:17.52`	`TimRiker`	`xmission restarted`
`23:17.56`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`23:19.09`	`Chestal`	`Tim: do you just kill it or warn the players?`
`23:20.57`	`Chestal`	`whatever, I'm off`
`23:22.27`	`TimRiker`	`Chestal: normally I login and annouce first, but the server would not let me, so I logged in after and explained.`
`23:30.02`	`TimRiker`	`initial testing looks ok, now to see if/when it occurs. ;-)`
`23:46.15`	`*** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-61.d-ip.magma.ca)`
`23:46.23`	`bzgirl`	`hello`
`23:47.43`	`Noodleman`	`'lo bzgirl`
`23:55.34`	`jraitala`	`hello`

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