irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030323

`00:19.19`	`[dmp]`	`bzgirl?`
`00:19.28`	`bzgirl`	`nyes`
`00:19.33`	`[dmp]`	`~ducati6`
`00:19.49`	`[dmp]`	`"i'm red" is bringing their flag into enemy base :-\`
`00:20.17`	`bzgirl`	`hmm, ok`
`00:20.29`	`[dmp]`	`wanna help us? :)`
`00:40.18`	`*** join/#bzflag heinola (~heinola@63.98.3.87)`
`00:40.34`	`heinola`	`put in my old gevorce card bzflag fired right up :)`
`00:40.42`	`heinola`	`little slow but it works`
`00:40.56`	`heinola`	`now off to get opebgl driver and exc`
`00:46.35`	`[dmp]`	`jesus.`
`00:46.48`	`[dmp]`	`I need to become a hacker or something. :-\`
`00:47.00`	`bzgirl`	`:)`
`00:47.42`	`[dmp]`	`i know i should take much notice of people like him, but it destroys the game. Even with your efforts.`
`00:47.57`	`[dmp]`	`anyway, it might be a good idea to sleep anyway :)`
`00:48.31`	`larsl`	`Could anyone please reset the green team flag on xmission?`
`00:48.36`	`larsl`	`No one can pick it up.`
`00:48.37`	`bzgirl`	`he must have got a new ip`
`00:49.00`	`[dmp]`	`yeah, could be a dialup user. :-\. . he sure lagged much`
`00:50.58`	`larsl`	`Anyone here with admin access on xmission?`
`00:59.04`	`bzgirl`	`larsl: i ran the one shot ctf using the unpatched version and it lovked up my other server this time, so its not your patch doing it :)`
`01:00.13`	`larsl`	`bzgirl: OK. I'm not sure if that's good or bad news. =)`
`01:00.33`	`bzgirl`	`well its good for you, bad for me :)`
`01:02.33`	`bzgirl`	`right now i have no servers running, i just rebooted, but the list shows my server with one player!`
`01:02.47`	`larsl`	`Hmm, that's bad.`
`01:02.52`	`larsl`	`Is that the latest CVS?`
`01:02.58`	`bzgirl`	`yeah`
`01:03.18`	`bzgirl`	`and of course it will crash any client that tries to connect to it`
`01:03.32`	`larsl`	`I wonder if that was the same problem that xmission had.`
`01:03.59`	`larsl`	`I wasn't able to connect to it for a couple of days earlier. It works now, though.`
`01:07.22`	`larsl`	`Those pesky greens are still cheating on xmission...`
`01:18.51`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
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`01:19.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi lo`
`01:19.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's new?`
`01:19.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone?`
`01:20.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:{]`
`01:20.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:{[]`
`01:20.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Mostache`
`01:20.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:{P`
`01:21.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`01:21.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~moo Noodleman_`
`01:21.42`		`ACTION moos at Noodleman_`
`01:22.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~destroy Noodleman_`
`01:22.01`		`no`
`01:22.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`YES!`
`01:23.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`01:23.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahhh`
`01:23.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Me`
`01:24.03`	`creeperz`	`And me!`
`01:24.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`AHHH!!`
`01:24.11`	`creeperz`	`:)`
`01:24.28`	`creeperz`	`Are you having a conversation with yourself again?`
`01:24.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yup...`
`01:24.35`	`creeperz`	`Who?`
`01:24.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`YOU! That's who!`
`01:28.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Darn`
`01:28.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I left :(`
`01:28.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`01:28.46`	`[dmp]`	`sigh`
`01:28.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`01:29.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm gunna go bye-bye`
`01:29.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bye-bye`
`01:31.17`	`[dmp]`	`I've just created a list which shows who killed most people before dying. In top10-list 7 nicks is a number-guy :-\|`
`01:37.04`	`*** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-28.swipnet.se)`
`01:37.12`	`larsl`	`This is a rather serious bug.`
`01:37.42`	`larsl`	`A flag can have the status FlagOnTank, but isn't carried by any playing tank.`
`01:37.47`	`larsl`	`So no one can pick it up.`
`01:38.06`	`larsl`	`Very bad if it's a team flag.`
`01:43.16`	`*** join/#bzflag heinola (~heinola@63.98.3.121)`
`01:43.42`	`heinola`	`got bzflag working but its slugish`
`02:26.12`	`*** join/#bzflag patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-104-178.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
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`03:15.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, Jeff`
`03:16.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I found a bug in BZEdit`
`03:16.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`1.5.9f10`
`03:16.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When duplicating a teleporter, the copy's border goes back to default (1)`
`03:17.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`03:17.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`JEFF!!`
`03:17.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`03:17.24`	`patlabor221`	`?`
`03:17.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Look up ^`
`03:17.40`	`patlabor221`	`just the name?`
`03:17.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What are you talking about?`
`03:18.06`	`patlabor221`	`you say the copy goes back to default 1`
`03:18.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The border goes to 1 when you duplicate a teleporter on the copy`
`03:18.12`	`patlabor221`	`are you talking about the name?`
`03:18.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`NO!`
`03:18.25`	`patlabor221`	`jsut the border`
`03:18.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"the copy's border goes back to default (1)`
`03:18.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`<[STC]_creeperz> Hmmm`
`03:18.45`	`patlabor221`	`odd`
`03:18.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`03:19.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Whenever you duplicate a teleporter it does such`
`03:19.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`^`
`03:19.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just to let you know`
`03:19.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`03:19.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`There is a problem with bases I think`
`03:19.33`	`patlabor221`	`define`
`03:19.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Green won't go green, it will go blue, and blue will go green`
`03:19.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You cannot define them`
`03:19.59`	`patlabor221`	`you sure you have the right version`
`03:20.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`1.5.9f10`
`03:20.06`	`patlabor221`	`that sounds like an old bug`
`03:20.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`03:20.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I thought so too`
`03:20.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But um, you might want to look into it`
`03:21.22`	`patlabor221`	`perhaps`
`03:21.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm going to get back to map making`
`03:21.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's a prety cool map so far`
`03:21.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Far better than any of mine before`
`03:21.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`pretty*`
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`03:23.11`	`TAK`	`anyone here?`
`03:23.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Moi`
`03:23.32`	`TAK`	`does anyone know about bzflag on OSX?`
`03:23.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I do`
`03:23.55`	`TAK`	`ok`
`03:23.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Get LINUX!`
`03:24.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`03:24.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I really don't`
`03:24.06`	`patlabor221`	`creeper be nice`
`03:24.08`	`TAK`	`im trying to add a team tag between the ( )`
`03:24.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`03:24.17`	`TAK`	`hey, OSX is built on Unix`
`03:24.21`	`TAK`	`lol`
`03:24.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know how on Win...but not on OSX`
`03:24.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`03:24.34`	`patlabor221`	`yes you just don't have X`
`03:24.37`	`TAK`	`yeha, i know windows too`
`03:24.57`	`TAK`	`hmmm, i have found nobody that knows`
`03:25.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But what if your monitor breaks?`
`03:25.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`03:25.07`	`patlabor221`	`where are you ading a tag?`
`03:25.11`	`TAK`	`yeah`
`03:25.13`	`TAK`	`or email`
`03:25.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`In the () field behind the callsign`
`03:25.29`	`TAK`	`yeah`
`03:25.30`	`patlabor221`	`ahhh in the config`
`03:25.31`	`patlabor221`	`ok`
`03:25.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Awwwww :)`
`03:25.51`	`patlabor221`	`it should work if you put it in the email field of the config`
`03:25.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`03:26.07`	`TAK`	`first i gota find it though`
`03:26.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Find your bzflag.cfg file`
`03:26.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or similar to that`
`03:26.28`	`patlabor221`	`don't think it has cfg in the mac version`
`03:26.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh yes`
`03:26.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You're right...`
`03:26.57`	`patlabor221`	`creeper do you even have a mac?`
`03:27.02`	`TAK`	`i got a BZFlag 1.7 file, bzfls, bzfrelay, and a bzfs`
`03:27.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`03:27.08`	`TAK`	`lol`
`03:27.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's not in there`
`03:27.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't think`
`03:27.18`	`patlabor221`	`let me look at the code for a sec`
`03:27.27`	`patlabor221`	`I don't think it's in the appication dir`
`03:27.47`	`TAK`	`one sec, brb`
`03:28.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Do you have a dir that's set for pictures, movies, ect...Kinda like Windows' "My Documents" file`
`03:28.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`03:28.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`AHHHH!!!!!!!!!`
`03:28.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`There's a rat thing in here!`
`03:28.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`EWWW! Get it off! ;)`
`03:28.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm going to work`
`03:29.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Later`
`03:29.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Maps don't build themselves yu know... Unless you have PNG2BZW...Then they do`
`03:29.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`03:29.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have never made a double post with a client`
`03:30.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sorry`
`03:30.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm leavin'!`
`03:30.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really! I'm going`
`03:30.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`HEADING TOWARD THE DOOR!`
`03:30.29`	`TAK`	`good for you, lol`
`03:32.04`	`patlabor221`	`should be called bzflag.bzc`
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`03:32.54`	`heinola`	`hi all`
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`06:38.47`	`trepan`	`ls`
`06:38.54`	`trepan`	`damn`
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`10:13.11`	`hoxu`	`There are no debs for bzedit?`
`10:14.33`	`captain_proton`	`doesn't surprise me`
`10:15.06`	`hoxu`	`hmm?`
`10:15.13`	`captain_proton`	`that there aren't debs`
`10:15.29`	`hoxu`	`:P`
`10:16.12`	`hoxu`	`Any idea what packages I need to have installed to compile it?`
`10:16.34`	`hoxu`	`Mainly regarding gnome.. configure whines about not finding gnomeConf.sh`
`10:16.54`	`captain_proton`	`which version?`
`10:17.03`	`hoxu`	`cvs`
`10:17.07`	`captain_proton`	`eek`
`10:17.08`	`captain_proton`	`don't use that`
`10:17.14`	`hoxu`	`why? :P`
`10:17.33`	`captain_proton`	`because that is really old code`
`10:17.37`	`captain_proton`	`hm, my server is down`
`10:17.43`	`captain_proton`	`let me scp you the latest one`
`10:17.47`	`captain_proton`	`(requires gnome 2)`
`10:18.10`	`captain_proton`	`arg`
`10:18.12`	`captain_proton`	`what am i saying`
`10:18.15`	`captain_proton`	`s/scp/dcc`
`10:18.16`	`hoxu`	`:P`
`10:18.28`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`10:18.31`	`hoxu`	`So the cvs is not up-to-date, huh?`
`10:18.39`	`hoxu`	`later then g`
`10:18.42`	`captain_proton`	`no - been meaning to fix that, but not motivated enough`
`10:18.55`	`hoxu`	`ok, thanks`
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`13:27.08`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`13:27.39`	`larsl`	`guppy is cheating, he can turn around and change direction in the air.`
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`15:25.32`	`ak\|ra`	`hi`
`15:25.44`	`bzgirl`	`hello ak\|ra`
`15:27.42`	`[dmp]`	`~ducati6`
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`15:39.45`	`ak\|ra`	`hi girl`
`15:40.15`	`ak\|ra`	`bzgirl: query?`
`15:40.43`	`bzgirl`	`ok`
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`16:37.53`	`rembo`	`any ducati admin online?`
`16:38.21`	`rembo`	`there is a player called juad teamkilling, and kind of stopping our game`
`16:40.21`	`[dmp]`	`chestal? bzgirl?`
`16:40.23`	`bzgirl`	`hes gone`
`16:40.27`	`rembo`	`hi`
`16:40.28`	`[dmp]`	`ah :)`
`16:40.37`	`rembo`	`You don;t have admin bzg?`
`16:40.56`	`[dmp]`	`she does.`
`16:41.05`	`rembo`	`could you have a look?`
`16:41.12`	`[dmp]`	`~ducati6`
`16:41.31`	`[dmp]`	`i think you're too slow, rembo :)`
`16:41.38`	`[dmp]`	`seems like she already fixed the problem :)`
`16:41.39`	`bzgirl`	`i did`
`16:44.12`	`rembo`	`thx`
`16:44.14`	`rembo`	`nbye`
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`16:58.52`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`16:59.33`	`larsl`	`'observer' is on as an ordinary player, but can fly and move like an observer.`
`16:59.43`	`larsl`	`Hacked client or server bug?`
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`17:03.57`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`17:21.03`	`[dmp]`	`larsl: my guess, hacked client.`
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`17:50.54`	`Cell`	`lo`
`17:51.25`	`Cell`	`whats the diff between token-ring and token-bus?`
`17:52.47`	`Cell`	`ah point to poit whereelse the token ring seems to be a broadcast thingie`
`17:56.37`	`Cell`	`gurgle lets look what saadam is doing`
`17:56.43`	`Cell`	`gurgle`
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`19:14.49`	`BrightPatlabor`	`hi`
`19:14.58`	`DarkPatlabor`	`there is no brightness in the dark`
`19:15.06`	`BrightPatlabor`	`tough`
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`19:15.24`	`happybouncyball`	`HI!`
`19:15.29`	`DarkPatlabor`	`do not taunt the happy fun ball :)`
`19:15.29`	`michaelh2`	`o k`
`19:15.34`	`happybouncyball`	`I am HAPPY Bouncy Ball!`
`19:15.44`	`happybouncyball`	`hm, fun or bouncy?`
`19:15.54`	`michaelh2`	`does teh happy bouncy ball know about where the models are in bzflag?`
`19:15.58`	`DarkPatlabor`	`you never saw the SNL short on the happy fun ball did you?`
`19:16.01`	`HappyFunBall`	`oh darn`
`19:16.06`	`HappyFunBall`	`nope`
`19:16.06`	`DarkPatlabor`	`I do`
`19:16.11`	`HappyFunBall`	`-NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else`
`19:16.13`	`michaelh2`	`where be they`
`19:16.17`	`DarkPatlabor`	`in the code`
`19:16.21`	`DarkPatlabor`	`they are not external`
`19:16.22`	`michaelh2`	`arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggg`
`19:16.27`	`HappyFunBall_`	`michaelh2: bwuahahaa`
`19:16.28`	`HappyFunBall_`	`:)`
`19:16.30`	`michaelh2`	`noooooooooooooooooooooo`
`19:16.31`	`DarkPatlabor`	`yeah kinda sucks`
`19:16.41`	`DarkPatlabor`	`have a plan to externalise them`
`19:16.47`	`michaelh2`	`Not like I would know what to do with them anyway`
`19:16.49`	`DarkPatlabor`	`just need to wait for g2 to finsh`
`19:16.49`	`michaelh2`	`either way`
`19:16.52`	`*** join/#bzflag iLLf8d (~neener@user-0can1b0.cable.mindspring.com)`
`19:16.57`	`michaelh2`	`where in the code?`
`19:17.06`	`DarkPatlabor`	`in a bunch of C files`
`19:17.20`	`DarkPatlabor`	`src/geometry/models/`
`19:17.38`	`DarkPatlabor`	`it's done has hardcoded GL calls`
`19:17.46`	`DarkPatlabor`	`what did you want to do?`
`19:18.05`	`DarkPatlabor`	`replace the tank or just get the tank out?`
`19:18.22`	`michaelh2`	`doh!`
`19:18.33`	`michaelh2`	`suppose I should learn open gl`
`19:18.37`	`DarkPatlabor`	`cus I have the tank as an OBJ file if you want`
`19:19.04`	`DarkPatlabor`	`gl is not a hard API to learn`
`19:19.12`	`ak\|ra`	`DarkPatlabor: ?`
`19:19.18`	`ak\|ra`	`why are you dark?`
`19:19.25`	`HappyFunBall_`	`ak\|ra: no light`
`19:19.32`	`michaelh2`	`I'm thinking of putting a spinning letter like "A" on top of typing tanks :)`
`19:19.36`	`DarkPatlabor`	`just to be difrent :)`
`19:19.47`	`ak\|ra`	`DarkPatlabor: tssssss`
`19:20.01`	`DarkPatlabor`	`oh, well that would be not hard`
`19:20.04`	`michaelh2`	`Perhaps it won't spin at first`
`19:20.06`	`ak\|ra_verydark`	`hey cool, i am different now :)`
`19:20.12`	`DarkPatlabor`	`many ways to to do that`
`19:20.36`	`michaelh2`	`Is it possible to create a model and then stick into a file like they have here....`
`19:20.38`	`ak\|ra`	`MastaOfTheCheese: :)`
`19:20.43`	`michaelh2`	`or do I have to do it vertex by vertex?`
`19:20.58`	`MastaOfTheCheese`	`if you have something that exports as C code using GL commands`
`19:20.59`	`ak\|ra`	`michaelh2: thats the same thing like have roaming lables on the tanks`
`19:21.24`	`michaelh2`	`but the labels are 2d aren't they?`
`19:21.31`	`ak\|ra`	`michaelh2: the first idea to realize this labling was to render a billboard like the explosions`
`19:21.38`	`Patlabor221`	`there realy isn't anything 2d in GL`
`19:21.40`	`ak\|ra`	`michaelh2: yep, but you dont know the "history" :)`
`19:21.49`	`Patlabor221`	`at least not in the "world" view`
`19:21.53`	`Patlabor221`	`there are things that are just flat`
`19:22.08`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: glWritePixels is pure 2d :)`
`19:22.13`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`19:22.21`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's SLOW as hell`
`19:22.28`	`Patlabor221`	`and I don't think it's used`
`19:22.28`	`HappyFunBall_`	`lol`
`19:22.38`	`michaelh2`	`Decent 3d programs for Winblows? -- pref share/free ?`
`19:22.40`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: exactly :)`
`19:22.54`	`ak\|ra`	`michaelh2: for doing what?`
`19:22.59`	`michaelh2`	`like I said`
`19:23.02`	`Patlabor221`	`michaelh2 I made a patch that replaced the GM with an external model`
`19:23.09`	`Patlabor221`	`you could use that to hook up your spinning A`
`19:23.09`	`HappyFunBall_`	`michaelh2: kazaa 3dsmax`
`19:23.10`	`HappyFunBall_`	`:)`
`19:23.18`	`michaelh2`	`lol`
`19:23.35`	`Patlabor221`	`It added a class that woudl read a number of formats and draw them in GL`
`19:23.37`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: for the spinning a i think one need to extend the protocol ?`
`19:23.52`	`Patlabor221`	`nope :)`
`19:23.57`	`ak\|ra`	`because the other tanks have to report their "typing state" ?`
`19:23.59`	`Patlabor221`	`coud use the status bits`
`19:24.04`	`ak\|ra`	`is it already there?`
`19:24.05`	`michaelh2`	`already did that part of it`
`19:24.19`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah there are 8 bits unused in the stats short`
`19:24.24`	`michaelh2`	`patch is on sourceforge`
`19:24.26`	`Patlabor221`	`and current clients igonore it`
`19:24.32`	`Patlabor221`	`so it would be very similar`
`19:24.44`	`Patlabor221`	`it would take a client change, but it woudl be compatable.`
`19:25.00`	`HappyFunBall_`	`coo.`
`19:25.01`	`HappyFunBall_`	`cool`
`19:25.02`	`HappyFunBall_`	`:P`
`19:25.11`	`ak\|ra`	`mhh`
`19:25.16`	`ak\|ra`	`ok, off for ... stop`
`19:25.20`	`michaelh2`	`So the C files just draw something and then BZFlag can like copy it and move it around?`
`19:25.21`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: question`
`19:25.30`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`19:25.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and yes`
`19:25.39`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`yes`
`19:25.47`	`michaelh2`	`yes?`
`19:25.52`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`yes.`
`19:25.54`	`ak\|ra`	`win32 -> the call for create a new prozess is CreateProcess(..) ?`
`19:25.59`	`Patlabor221`	`the C files just have the GL commands, then a glTranslatef () is called to set the matrix before you call teh draw commands`
`19:26.16`	`Patlabor221`	`akira, don't know, haven't done any process stuff on winders`
`19:26.23`	`ak\|ra`	`ah ok`
`19:26.29`	`Patlabor221`	`just old macs :)`
`19:26.48`	`ak\|ra`	`then booting my vmware`
`19:26.55`	`larsl`	`Ah, MPW.`
`19:27.10`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy we used codewarior for most of it`
`19:27.21`	`larsl`	`I was poor. =)`
`19:27.48`	`Patlabor221`	`michaelh2, bz builds what's called a display list with the commands to draw a tank, then you set up the transformation matrix before you tell the list to draw`
`19:27.58`	`Patlabor221`	`bz defines 3 difrent tank models too`
`19:28.08`	`Patlabor221`	`hi, med, and lo`
`19:29.05`	`Patlabor221`	`miachelh2 you can't get visual studio to debug?`
`19:30.29`	`michaelh2`	`locked up completely on me`
`19:30.35`	`michaelh2`	`when I used F5 to start it`
`19:30.38`	`Patlabor221`	`what OS?`
`19:30.42`	`michaelh2`	`Win 98`
`19:30.49`	`Patlabor221`	`ick, but it still should work`
`19:31.02`	`Patlabor221`	`you may not have the execute dir set right`
`19:31.08`	`michaelh2`	`That might be true`
`19:31.09`	`Patlabor221`	`check project settings`
`19:31.14`	`michaelh2`	`might be true`
`19:31.14`	`Patlabor221`	`and make sure it's got the right exe`
`19:31.23`	`iLLf8d`	`damn I wanted to talk about someone whose not here`
`19:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`and the working dir`
`19:31.35`	`michaelh2`	`I know where those settings are`
`19:31.36`	`Patlabor221`	`and I would recoemend having it run in a windo`
`19:31.47`	`michaelh2`	`can you do that ? :)`
`19:31.50`	`Patlabor221`	`syre`
`19:31.51`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`19:32.08`	`Patlabor221`	`set the command line optiosn to -window -geometry 640x480`
`19:32.15`	`michaelh2`	`doh never knew that`
`19:32.31`	`Patlabor221`	`on some of the Older OSs the debuger does not like it when an app changes screen rez`
`19:32.36`	`Patlabor221`	`so in a window is better`
`19:32.39`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`lol`
`19:32.45`	`michaelh2`	`I didn't think it had a windowing thingee`
`19:32.55`	`Patlabor221`	`sure :) on all OSs even`
`19:33.01`	`Patlabor221`	`you can put any size in there too`
`19:33.05`	`iLLf8d`	`Patlabor221: wanted to askya what kinda structure you use to store bzw objects in your editor? do you use arrays or linked lists with nodes or what?`
`19:33.19`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a MAP`
`19:33.31`	`ak\|ra`	`that means its a tree`
`19:33.32`	`Patlabor221`	`map with id's as the key`
`19:33.33`	`ak\|ra`	`balanced`
`19:33.36`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`19:33.40`	`Patlabor221`	`just an stl map`
`19:33.44`	`iLLf8d`	`hmm`
`19:33.44`	`ak\|ra`	`of coz yes :)`
`19:33.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I just use it cus there could be holes`
`19:33.55`	`michaelh2`	`voidTankSceneNode::MedTankRenderNode::makeBarrel()`
`19:33.56`	`michaelh2`	`{`
`19:33.56`	`michaelh2`	`#include "models/medtank/barrel.c"`
`19:33.56`	`michaelh2`	`}`
`19:33.57`	`Patlabor221`	`and a regular aray won't work for that`
`19:34.02`	`michaelh2`	`that's funny`
`19:34.09`	`Patlabor221`	`it realy shoudl be a real tree`
`19:34.11`	`Patlabor221`	`with groups`
`19:34.15`	`*** join/#bzflag heinola (~heinola@63.98.3.151)`
`19:34.20`	`Patlabor221`	`why is that funny?`
`19:34.28`	`michaelh2`	`dunno.. just looks funny`
`19:34.36`	`ak\|ra`	`the map?`
`19:34.41`	`ak\|ra`	`or the heavy include?`
`19:34.46`	`michaelh2`	`the include..`
`19:34.55`	`ak\|ra`	`for the preprocessor its all the same`
`19:35.01`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`19:35.01`	`michaelh2`	`never seen it used that way before :)`
`19:35.09`	`ak\|ra`	`apropos -> did everyone beside me use distcc and ccache?`
`19:35.09`	`Patlabor221`	`I have, just not often`
`19:36.58`	`ak\|ra`	`what crap?`
`19:37.52`	`michaelh2`	`so the tank is a model, but everything else is stuck in code?`
`19:38.08`	`michaelh2`	`(not that there is a lot else)`
`19:38.09`	`Patlabor221`	`the tank is in code`
`19:38.13`	`Patlabor221`	`all 5 parts of it`
`19:38.24`	`Patlabor221`	`2 treads, body, turret and barrel`
`19:38.31`	`Patlabor221`	`it's those include files`
`19:38.37`	`michaelh2`	`but there isn't a code/model for the other things in the game`
`19:38.38`	`Patlabor221`	`can't realy call them a "model"`
`19:38.44`	`Patlabor221`	`the others are parametrics`
`19:39.05`	`Patlabor221`	`there are gl calls to draw them at what ever size they are asked to be at`
`19:39.06`	`michaelh2`	`like -- " make me a big purple sphere thingee "`
`19:39.10`	`Patlabor221`	`tanks aren't scaleable`
`19:39.16`	`Patlabor221`	`so they have harcoded data`
`19:39.27`	`Patlabor221`	`everythgin else is scaleable so it uses variables`
`19:39.29`	`larsl`	`Not scalable?`
`19:39.35`	`larsl`	`N, O, T?`
`19:39.38`	`michaelh2`	`can't make a big tank?`
`19:39.38`	`Patlabor221`	`not in the presnet engine`
`19:39.51`	`Patlabor221`	`you would have to call like glScale, but then sure`
`19:39.52`	`michaelh2`	`MONSTER TANKS.....`
`19:40.01`	`larsl`	`(N)arrow, (O)bese, (T)iny.`
`19:40.03`	`michaelh2`	`w/ SR`
`19:40.05`	`ak\|ra`	`what is done while grabbing the fatflag`
`19:40.13`	`Patlabor221`	`those are the only 3 types`
`19:40.24`	`Patlabor221`	`I mean you can't specifiy a tank at like 1.2 units`
`19:40.27`	`ak\|ra`	`or the small flag`
`19:40.29`	`Patlabor221`	`like you can for boxes`
`19:40.30`	`larsl`	`Ah, they are hardcoded too.`
`19:40.32`	`michaelh2`	`(tank fills entire screen w/ sr)`
`19:40.35`	`Patlabor221`	`and pyramids`
`19:40.45`	`Patlabor221`	`they are not inifinatly variable`
`19:40.54`	`ak\|ra`	`michaelh2: every model has to be "translated" to the gameengine`
`19:41.00`	`ak\|ra`	`no matter what gameengine`
`19:41.08`	`ak\|ra`	`you have to make tris of the model`
`19:41.18`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it has to be told wher to draw thos tri's`
`19:41.33`	`Patlabor221`	`matrices are fun :)`
`19:41.36`	`ak\|ra`	`one can write an obj-loader or 3ds-loader`
`19:41.51`	`ak\|ra`	`but u _have_ finally translate into tris`
`19:42.22`	`ak\|ra`	`so, now aw for the vmware win32 stuff :(`
`19:42.28`	`Patlabor221`	`expecialy since sometimes they move every frame :0`
`19:44.18`	`Patlabor221`	`just get 2 computers :)`
`19:45.16`	`ak\|ra`	`a vmware IS a real computer`
`19:45.23`	`ak\|ra`	`at least for the guestos :)) muahahhr`
`19:46.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I relay should move the new model manager into BZ`
`19:47.32`	`larsl`	`Has anyone heard when we might expect 1.7g2?`
`19:47.42`	`Patlabor221`	`when Tim gets settles`
`19:47.48`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`about 3 years`
`19:47.49`	`Patlabor221`	`bout a week or 2 is my guess`
`19:48.18`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`then we can BREAK PROTOCOL!`
`19:48.30`	`ak\|ra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:48.31`	`Patlabor221`	`what is this "we" stuff whiteboy?`
`19:48.40`	`Patlabor221`	`you will live akira`
`19:49.06`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`you`
`19:50.11`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: ?`
`19:50.37`	`Patlabor221`	`? on the we or the you will live`
`19:51.27`	`larsl`	`That line took a while to parse... =)`
`19:51.59`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`error Dr robitson`
`19:52.28`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: i dont understand the "we" at the moment`
`19:52.43`	`Patlabor221`	`doug will NOT be breaking protocol`
`19:53.06`	`Patlabor221`	`but you can't check in`
`19:53.27`	`Patlabor221`	`his proper statement should have been " then you all can BREAK PROTOCOL!`
`19:54.35`	`ak\|ra`	`man, the win32api suxxxx`
`19:54.43`	`ak\|ra`	`STARTUPINFO foo`
`19:54.52`	`ak\|ra`	`PROCESS_INFORMATION bar`
`19:54.55`	`Patlabor221`	`for multi process stuf, hell yea`
`19:55.04`	`ak\|ra`	`for everything`
`19:55.19`	`ak\|ra`	`the naming scheme just doesnt exist`
`19:55.46`	`Patlabor221`	`then why are you using it?`
`19:55.56`	`ak\|ra`	`have to`
`19:56.00`	`ak\|ra`	`multiostools`
`19:56.15`	`larsl`	`Hum. Does the client keep track of its own score?`
`19:56.31`	`Patlabor221`	`It should`
`19:56.37`	`Patlabor221`	`but the server now tracks it as well`
`19:56.43`	`larsl`	`How annoying. =)`
`19:56.55`	`Patlabor221`	`well it used to just be the client`
`19:56.58`	`larsl`	`I tried to write a patch for CTF servers that wouldn't update the player score on kills.`
`19:57.16`	`larsl`	`But instead the different client now have inconsistent scores.`
`19:57.24`	`larsl`	`s/client/clients/`
`19:57.37`	`Patlabor221`	`welcome to our world :)`
`19:57.44`	`Patlabor221`	`client tracks damn near everything`
`19:58.10`	`Patlabor221`	`we wanted to send updates to clients that went too high, but they ignore there own positional updates :(`
`19:58.18`	`larsl`	`Any chance of letting the server, and only the server, track the score when we can break protocol?`
`19:58.31`	`Patlabor221`	`quite posibly`
`19:58.44`	`Patlabor221`	`server needs more authority`
`19:58.53`	`larsl`	`Absolutely.`
`19:59.05`	`larsl`	`It's not like it's using a lot of CPU power.`
`19:59.08`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`lol`
`19:59.17`	`Patlabor221`	`well it was using 100% at one point :)`
`19:59.28`	`larsl`	`Normal usage, or some kind of leak?`
`19:59.36`	`Patlabor221`	`leak :)`
`19:59.41`	`larsl`	`=)`
`20:01.08`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm anyone know who Jay Williams is?`
`20:01.26`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`haha`
`20:01.28`	`larsl`	`Basketball player?`
`20:01.32`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`20:01.37`	`larsl`	`Google says so.`
`20:01.38`	`Patlabor221`	`someone who plays`
`20:01.44`	`Patlabor221`	`sent me bzedit icons`
`20:01.45`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`basketball?`
`20:02.52`	`michaelh2`	`how do I download/update binary stuff with cvs?`
`20:03.06`	`Patlabor221`	`should just be able to add it`
`20:03.16`	`Patlabor221`	`like the rgb fiels`
`20:03.25`	`michaelh2`	`got thems "binary file differs" things`
`20:03.50`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`20:04.15`	`larsl`	`CVS won't try to merge binary files, you'll have to do that yourself.`
`20:04.44`	`michaelh2`	`so how would I get it to just download the new version of the binary files`
`20:04.52`	`larsl`	`cvs update -C`
`20:04.57`	`Patlabor221`	`delete the old ones`
`20:05.01`	`larsl`	`Might be overkill, but it works. =)`
`20:05.09`	`michaelh2`	`that's the clean thingee isn't it?`
`20:05.14`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`20:05.19`	`michaelh2`	`not cool`
`20:05.20`	`michaelh2`	`:)`
`20:05.29`	`Patlabor221`	`jsut remove the ones you changed`
`20:05.31`	`Patlabor221`	`then update`
`20:05.36`	`michaelh2`	`Yes I guess so`
`20:05.54`	`Patlabor221`	`what are you using for CVS?`
`20:06.10`	`michaelh2`	`win whatchacallit thing`
`20:06.16`	`Patlabor221`	`WinCVS?`
`20:06.19`	`michaelh2`	`no`
`20:06.21`	`larsl`	`Tortoise?`
`20:06.23`	`michaelh2`	`non-win but in windows`
`20:06.29`	`Patlabor221`	`tourtice rocks :)`
`20:06.32`	`michaelh2`	`Cygwin and tortoise too`
`20:06.32`	`larsl`	`Cygwin?`
`20:06.43`	`michaelh2`	`I do all my diffs from cygwin`
`20:06.59`	`Patlabor221`	`if you have tourtice you can see what files you changed by there icon color if your OS supports it`
`20:07.02`	`larsl`	`Cygwin makes Windows almost bearable. =)`
`20:07.13`	`michaelh2`	`can patches include binary files? / should they?`
`20:07.26`	`michaelh2`	`or do people just grab zip files and dump stuff in there`
`20:07.29`	`Patlabor221`	`they can, but the patch script won't put them in there`
`20:07.40`	`Patlabor221`	`and there is a file size limit on SF for patches`
`20:07.53`	`Patlabor221`	`usualy they unzip and dump`
`20:08.03`	`Jormungandr`	`well issue yesterday wasn't with my network connection, because scipio got on and had no problems.`
`20:08.04`	`Patlabor221`	`my GM patch won't fit on SF :(`
`20:08.20`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`hah`
`20:08.22`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`:)`
`20:08.34`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`'lo Jormungandr`
`20:08.37`	`Jormungandr`	`hi`
`20:08.38`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`'lo Noodleman_`
`20:08.43`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`'lo bzdougbwuahahaha`
`20:08.45`	`Jormungandr`	`so I'll have to try again when I get hom.e`
`20:08.47`	`Jormungandr`	`home`
`20:08.53`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`heh`
`20:08.58`	`Jormungandr`	`I might d/l an older binary dist and see if it works.`
`20:09.18`	`michaelh2`	`I love how everytime I upload a patch it gags and I have to add the file the 2nd time`
`20:09.33`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`heh`
`20:09.39`	`larsl`	`Same for me.`
`20:09.40`	`Patlabor221`	`gag, I think that's the primary idiom of SF`
`20:09.53`	`larsl`	`I thought it was a browser issue, but it's the same with Konqueror and Mozilla.`
`20:10.33`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`test IE?`
`20:11.04`	`larsl`	`No IE on Linux.`
`20:11.16`	`michaelh2`	`I am using IE 5`
`20:11.16`	`larsl`	`I could try it on Solaris in school, though.`
`20:11.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I wonder is there a troutice like thingy for kde?`
`20:11.46`	`Patlabor221`	`the icon color thing for file status is realy quite clever`
`20:12.01`	`michaelh2`	`I also stuck up a patch that turns of the blinking when you are in the lead....`
`20:12.07`	`michaelh2`	`silly I know.. but I hate it`
`20:12.12`	`larsl`	`Blinking?`
`20:12.23`	`michaelh2`	`The score or something blinks`
`20:12.28`	`michaelh2`	`like the HTML tag`
`20:12.30`	`larsl`	`I've never seen that... I suppose that reveals my skill level. =)`
`20:12.40`	`michaelh2`	`It rarely happens to me too`
`20:12.47`	`michaelh2`	`But I go mad when I see it`
`20:13.10`	`larsl`	`Blinking is truly evil, in HTML or otherwise.`
`20:13.14`	`michaelh2`	`Stuck it under GUI Options`
`20:13.24`	`michaelh2`	`saves in settings etc`
`20:13.53`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: http://cervisia.sourceforge.net/`
`20:13.55`	`michaelh2`	`waste of effort I suppose.. i'd be for just deleting it out of the code :)`
`20:14.04`	`larsl`	`KDE CVS client (or at least Qt).`
`20:15.08`	`Patlabor221`	`does it integrate into the desktop tho?`
`20:15.14`	`larsl`	`I have no idea.`
`20:16.20`	`michaelh2`	`someone recommend a decent free modelling program .....`
`20:16.29`	`michaelh2`	`small preferably`
`20:16.40`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: 3D modelling, or do you mean UML?`
`20:16.46`	`michaelh2`	`3d`
`20:16.50`	`Patlabor221`	`blender`
`20:16.59`	`Patlabor221`	`there are others too`
`20:17.00`	`michaelh2`	`Blend 2.04?`
`20:17.01`	`michaelh2`	`:)`
`20:17.04`	`Patlabor221`	`but blender seems ok`
`20:17.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't use free ones`
`20:17.31`	`michaelh2`	`I see that one here`
`20:17.44`	`michaelh2`	`I don't need anything special right now`
`20:18.46`	`Patlabor221`	`I did this in lightwave`
`20:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/mk3tex.png`
`20:19.01`	`larsl`	`Blender 2.26 is free.`
`20:19.03`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I used Milkshape to do the texure corrds`
`20:19.45`	`michaelh2`	`I am a wee beginner with this stuff`
`20:19.48`	`Patlabor221`	`I need to check out the latest blender`
`20:19.55`	`Patlabor221`	`and see how it's UV maping tools are`
`20:20.53`	`Patlabor221`	`cus eventualy I have to texture this http://www.artemisgames.com/hover1.jpg`
`20:20.55`	`larsl`	`The users bought the code from the company that wrote it, and made it open source.`
`20:22.15`	`michaelh2`	`cool`
`20:22.45`	`michaelh2`	`I have some friend who has all the $1000 multiple software that he pirated...`
`20:22.57`	`michaelh2`	`does all sorts of graghipcs stuff`
`20:23.17`	`michaelh2`	`probably not unlike others I suppose`
`20:23.35`	`Patlabor221`	`geting cracked versions is not that hard`
`20:23.49`	`michaelh2`	`ah well.. I prefer not to do that if I can`
`20:23.57`	`Patlabor221`	`tho, I do own my lightwave, photoshop, and milkshape.`
`20:25.15`	`Patlabor221`	`blender and GIMP should techicaly do it all`
`20:25.18`	`michaelh2`	`perhaps we can add cruise missles to BZ :)`
`20:25.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I did`
`20:25.31`	`Patlabor221`	`the GM millile pathc`
`20:25.41`	`Patlabor221`	`replaces theGM with a real missile model`
`20:25.50`	`michaelh2`	`except you have to hit tanks directly dont you`
`20:25.52`	`Patlabor221`	`has a happy face on it and everything :)`
`20:26.02`	`Patlabor221`	`you can lock on, and they will track`
`20:26.18`	`michaelh2`	`Need to have exploding buildings too :)`
`20:26.26`	`larsl`	`Oh yes. =)`
`20:26.29`	`michaelh2`	`hard to do that across the net I suppose`
`20:26.44`	`Patlabor221`	`it would not be trivial`
`20:26.53`	`Patlabor221`	`woud need a good server sync`
`20:26.56`	`michaelh2`	`Would be like... 3 possible pieces that can fall apart`
`20:27.13`	`Patlabor221`	`and authoritive updates from the server incase the client was out of sync`
`20:27.15`	`michaelh2`	`There's a crack and there's one.. whoops out of space`
`20:28.00`	`michaelh2`	`So there could be two models of the world.. one completely destroyed and one`
`20:28.02`	`michaelh2`	`together`
`20:28.24`	`michaelh2`	`and a few bits that map to each part that can be blown up`
`20:28.28`	`larsl`	`Ah, the world builder would specify which pieces could get blown off?`
`20:28.30`	`Patlabor221`	`you could parametricly blow up each thing`
`20:28.42`	`Patlabor221`	`real time slice up the models`
`20:28.49`	`Patlabor221`	`there are a couple engines that do that`
`20:29.02`	`michaelh2`	`I'm not that experienced with it.. I'm just thinking...`
`20:29.25`	`michaelh2`	`Need a flushing toilet you can destroy of course`
`20:29.39`	`larsl`	`We would need more complex shapes than boxes before doing exploding stuff, though.`
`20:29.52`	`Patlabor221`	`in progress :)`
`20:29.52`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/files/DontFearTheReaper2.png`
`20:30.06`	`michaelh2`	`Has anyone ever done stuff like duke3d since them?`
`20:30.23`	`Jormungandr`	`wed might be the day I quit my job.`
`20:30.31`	`michaelh2`	`or are they mostly static?`
`20:30.46`	`Patlabor221`	`duke3d?`
`20:30.53`	`michaelh2`	`Duke Nukem 3d`
`20:30.59`	`michaelh2`	`Flushing toilets`
`20:31.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ooooooooooo`
`20:31.16`	`michaelh2`	`and if you shot them.. a little water spout comes up`
`20:31.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I know red faction has destroyable world`
`20:31.25`	`Patlabor221`	`yes and you could drink the water`
`20:31.28`	`Patlabor221`	`and get healed`
`20:31.30`	`michaelh2`	`yep`
`20:31.39`	`Chestal`	`Jorm: what's your job and why quit it?`
`20:31.47`	`michaelh2`	`And of course pipe bombing the girls :)`
`20:31.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't see how that applys to tanks`
`20:32.20`	`michaelh2`	`Have to work on it a bit I suppose to get the toilets in the game :)`
`20:32.27`	`Patlabor221`	`jorm, got the colo working out?`
`20:34.56`	`michaelh2`	`is blender java or what?`
`20:35.21`	`Patlabor221`	`it's C I think`
`20:35.23`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: No, it should be compiled.`
`20:35.33`	`larsl`	`Is it slow?`
`20:35.42`	`michaelh2`	`just has kind of a funky interface`
`20:35.52`	`Patlabor221`	`it's an LCD interface`
`20:36.00`	`Patlabor221`	`common on cros plat projects`
`20:36.19`	`michaelh2`	`opens a MSDos window too :)`
`20:36.34`	`Patlabor221`	`yup, th'ts the least common denominator`
`20:38.14`	`Jormungandr`	`chestal... the company is sucking bad as far as employee treatment.`
`20:38.26`	`michaelh2`	`me no understand :(`
`20:38.30`	`Jormungandr`	`still working on getting colo going. it's better, but not perfect.`
`20:38.55`	`Jormungandr`	`we have no benefits, no paid time off or holidays.`
`20:39.20`	`michaelh2`	`well you can be like me.. no job in 10 + months`
`20:39.22`	`Patlabor221`	`mich, they didn't do ( or coudln't do ) a decent OS interface wraper, so they said "hell we'll just draw it ourselves"`
`20:39.38`	`Jormungandr`	`and last friday, I got up to go to the bathroom, and the other guy in the room forgot to log into the phones. was gone for 5 minutes, and now we are getting "counseled" on wednesday.`
`20:39.58`	`michaelh2`	`Was living off of student loan leftovers`
`20:40.00`	`larsl`	`Strange... there's GTK+, FLTK, wxWindows, Qt...`
`20:40.05`	`Jormungandr`	`if it involves signing anything, I'm walking out.`
`20:41.25`	`Jormungandr`	`on the good side, it'd give me a lot more time to work on colo.`
`20:41.31`	`Jormungandr`	`brb.`
`20:41.49`	`michaelh2`	`never mind I guess they have one on theirwebsite`
`20:44.48`	`larsl`	`These dead flags are annoying.`
`20:47.36`	`michaelh2`	`thanks for help guys I am off...`
`21:05.11`	`iLL_Away`	`bbl`
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`21:25.52`	`*** join/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@nike.csd.net)`
`21:26.05`	`Cell`	`howdy`
`21:26.55`	`Cell`	`gurgle`
`21:27.48`	`Cell`	`can i run bzflag wireframe?`
`21:28.04`	`captain_proton`	`yeah`
`21:28.27`	`Cell`	`how?`
`21:28.35`	`captain_proton`	`compile with debug`
`21:28.40`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`it would be cheating though`
`21:28.51`	`Cell`	`ugh`
`21:28.53`	`captain_proton`	`bzdougbwuahahaha: uh, no`
`21:28.55`	`Cell`	`without compilation?`
`21:29.00`	`captain_proton`	`Cell: nope`
`21:29.10`	`captain_proton`	`wireframe is only really useful when debugging dynamic lighting`
`21:29.40`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`you can see through buildings cant you?`
`21:29.53`	`Cell`	`i want to see how the tesselation looks/works when the shots emminate light onto groungd and buldings`
`21:30.07`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be the dynamic lighitng`
`21:30.11`	`Cell`	`ah`
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`21:39.14`	`Cell`	`would be kewl if a player could put a logo on its tank, like a photo of his head, lol`
`21:39.33`	`Patlabor221`	`that has been talked about`
`21:39.43`	`Cell`	`so about 64x64 jog`
`21:39.44`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:39.51`	`captain_proton`	`Cell: patches welcome`
`21:40.03`	`Patlabor221`	`Tim and I disucsed it one day and came up with a feasable plan`
`21:40.15`	`Cell`	`feasiable?`
`21:41.08`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`21:42.03`	`Cell`	`not in my dict`
`21:43.49`	`Cell`	`ok reformated the code to suit my style`
`21:43.51`	`Chestal`	`~dict feasable`
`21:44.14`	`Chestal`	`~dict feasible`
`21:44.31`	`Patlabor221`	`menas doable`
`21:44.37`	`Patlabor221`	`wold proably freakin work`
`21:44.41`	`Cell`	`lol P-NP now i know`
`21:44.47`	`bzgirl`	`:)`
`21:53.06`	`Cell`	`oh the code is so ugly`
`21:54.04`	`Patlabor221`	`the concept is simple`
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`21:54.22`	`greg1`	`Hi everyone`
`21:54.30`	`Patlabor221`	`segement the heck out of the sides of ojbects that are close to a light souce`
`21:54.31`	`Patlabor221`	`hello`
`21:54.36`	`greg1`	`Hi pat`
`21:55.15`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221: yeah, but how do we know which objects are close?`
`21:55.35`	`Patlabor221`	`get the distance from each object to the light`
`21:55.42`	`Cell`	`each?`
`21:55.51`	`Patlabor221`	`tht's what bz does`
`21:56.05`	`Cell`	`lol, and it still runs so fast`
`21:56.22`	`Patlabor221`	`if you have some sort of spacal division setup, you can use that`
`21:56.49`	`Cell`	`and the ground is ne poly or many?`
`21:56.54`	`Cell`	`one`
`21:57.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I think bz only does the tests on stuff that is in the frustum tho`
`21:57.09`	`Patlabor221`	`it's segmentable`
`21:57.15`	`Cell`	`ah`
`21:57.15`	`Patlabor221`	`everything in the world is parametric`
`21:57.21`	`Patlabor221`	`cept for tanks`
`21:57.38`	`greg1`	`it is a part of the matrix....`
`21:57.56`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy it contans the matrix :)`
`21:58.03`	`Cell`	`and for each shot it is tested for collision with each object?`
`21:58.04`	`greg1`	`ha ha`
`21:58.27`	`Patlabor221`	`it has to be since the client does all hit tests`
`21:59.06`	`Patlabor221`	`now you see why maps with large numbers of ojects are slow`
`21:59.29`	`Cell`	`and the laser is tested x-times with each obstacle/object when it bounces x times?`
`21:59.33`	`greg1`	`so it depends on computer client runs on ?`
`21:59.42`	`greg1`	`(sorry to interrupt)`
`21:59.45`	`Patlabor221`	`client does all hit tests`
`21:59.49`	`Patlabor221`	`server dons't do any`
`21:59.59`	`Cell`	`yeah, i know that`
`22:00.00`	`Patlabor221`	`so you have to hope that each cleint does it right`
`22:00.06`	`Cell`	`ah`
`22:00.20`	`greg1`	`what happens if someone modify his client ?`
`22:00.26`	`Patlabor221`	`it's called a cheat`
`22:00.34`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's happening right now`
`22:00.38`	`greg1`	`oh`
`22:01.08`	`Patlabor221`	`this is why one of the most common cheats is being shot and not dying`
`22:01.13`	`Cell`	`i used buble sort on my first cheat`
`22:01.14`	`Patlabor221`	`it's up to each client to say that he died`
`22:01.22`	`*** join/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-0-105.stny.rr.com)`
`22:01.38`	`greg1`	`Hi calico`
`22:01.43`	`Cell`	`but know i use quick sort , ;)`
`22:01.50`	`calico`	`hi all`
`22:02.01`	`bzgirl`	`nhi`
`22:02.10`	`Cell`	`to sort the enemies by vector space norm 2`
`22:02.38`	`Cell`	`never saw that class offered ;)`
`22:02.45`	`Patlabor221`	`Computers and Society`
`22:02.56`	`Cell`	`whats that, sounds boring`
`22:03.05`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a required one for graduating with a CS degree here`
`22:03.12`	`Cell`	`oh`
`22:03.29`	`larsl`	`We don't have it in Sweden (at least I've never heard of it).`
`22:03.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a class on more of the "why" we do thing, not the "how"`
`22:03.49`	`Cell`	`for me is required functional analysis, and that is a though on, very though`
`22:04.01`	`Cell`	`tough`
`22:04.09`	`larsl`	`I don't care why, I just want to know a lot of cool things. =)`
`22:05.52`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`MICROSOFT- Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only`
`22:05.52`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`(for) Fools (&) Teenagers.`
`22:06.13`	`Cell`	`i want to know how to make cool games fast and easy but nowbody teached me`
`22:06.20`	`Patlabor221`	`dark basic`
`22:06.29`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`making cool games isnt fast and easy`
`22:06.29`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`:)`
`22:06.52`	`Cell`	`bzdougbwuahahaha:hm thats why`
`22:06.55`	`Patlabor221`	`$5 says doug ends up working at MS,`
`22:07.09`	`Patlabor221`	`doing support for word`
`22:07.09`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`Patlabor221: you loose`
`22:07.21`	`greg1`	`ah ah`
`22:07.23`	`Patlabor221`	`that's why I only bet $5 :)`
`22:07.28`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`Patlabor221: ah`
`22:07.30`	`Cell`	`lol`
`22:07.35`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`heres my address...`
`22:07.44`	`Patlabor221`	`I haven't lost yet`
`22:07.50`	`Cell`	`hire and fire`
`22:08.02`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`ok`
`22:08.07`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`send that dvd drive too`
`22:08.08`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy most ms emploies start as temps`
`22:08.26`	`Cell`	`temporary employees`
`22:08.34`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`22:08.50`	`Patlabor221`	`good freind of mine just got hired there`
`22:08.54`	`greg1`	`they train people to their sorft and their "philosophy"...`
`22:08.55`	`Cell`	`that is they exist only for a project`
`22:09.03`	`greg1`	`then drop them in nature....`
`22:09.11`	`Patlabor221`	`no they exist for less then a year`
`22:09.19`	`Patlabor221`	`and are ether let go, or hired.`
`22:09.32`	`Cell`	`depens on qualification or?`
`22:09.35`	`greg1`	`only few are hired`
`22:10.01`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy depends on how well they do the job`
`22:10.13`	`Patlabor221`	`they hire over 60% of there temps`
`22:10.22`	`Cell`	`i mean who only is a ms certificated engineer does not have to wonder if he gets fired easy?`
`22:10.33`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`22:10.38`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`not if he isnt lasy`
`22:10.38`	`Cell`	`oh`
`22:10.41`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`'azy`
`22:10.45`	`Patlabor221`	`my friend is a huge lin freak`
`22:10.49`	`Patlabor221`	`and he got hired`
`22:10.58`	`Patlabor221`	`for his knowlege of perl`
`22:11.03`	`Cell`	`awhy?`
`22:11.31`	`Patlabor221`	`he has dev experiance, knowlege of there apps, the build process, and perl`
`22:11.36`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what they were tlooking for`
`22:12.03`	`Cell`	`so i have knoledege of c#, that gives me good coards i bet :)`
`22:12.39`	`greg1`	`cell : you know about .net ?`
`22:12.43`	`Patlabor221`	`if that was what they were looking for, and you passed the 4 interviews`
`22:12.44`	`Cell`	`yeah`
`22:12.50`	`Cell`	`4?`
`22:13.02`	`Patlabor221`	`yup`
`22:13.06`	`Cell`	`i knoe .net since beta`
`22:13.09`	`Patlabor221`	`1 with an HR represnetive`
`22:13.28`	`greg1`	`I heard good about that`
`22:13.32`	`Patlabor221`	`then if they like you on that, you get called back for 3 more interviewes with the dept you are applying for`
`22:13.47`	`Cell`	`that sound ugly`
`22:13.54`	`Patlabor221`	`ugly?`
`22:14.03`	`Cell`	`yes`
`22:14.06`	`Cell`	`ugly`
`22:14.09`	`Patlabor221`	`why ugly?`
`22:14.27`	`Jormungandr`	`the interview process for many tech companies can be really intense.`
`22:14.29`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not uncomon to have a callback interview`
`22:14.30`	`Cell`	`because i dont want 4 interviews, that is a too long procedure`
`22:14.37`	`Patlabor221`	`do you want a job?`
`22:14.44`	`Cell`	`ah, sure`
`22:14.50`	`Patlabor221`	`you can try fast food, I hear that's an easy interview`
`22:14.51`	`Chestal`	`job is bad`
`22:14.54`	`Chestal`	`working is tedious`
`22:14.57`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:15.03`	`Jormungandr`	`chestal :)`
`22:15.17`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah you know they will want you to get up at like 8:00 in the morning`
`22:15.20`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: you don't realize that Cell wants everything to be handed to him`
`22:15.22`	`Cell`	`i stay at university, since they make more interesting stuff`
`22:15.31`	`Patlabor221`	`no I do realise it, and it's sad`
`22:15.31`	`Chestal`	`Patlabor: I would never manage that over a longer time period`
`22:15.53`	`Patlabor221`	`I would love 10:00-7:00 hours`
`22:15.59`	`Chestal`	`sadly, only a low percentage of jobs are satisfying`
`22:16.08`	`Chestal`	`Pat; hmm, that's -3 hours, that's short ;-)`
`22:16.22`	`Cell`	`i would like from 6 in the morning to 2 at afternoon`
`22:16.23`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`22:16.33`	`greg1`	`pat : I do 10:00-7h00 and ...`
`22:16.36`	`greg1`	`it's cool :)`
`22:16.45`	`Patlabor221`	`cell it would have to be 6-3`
`22:16.51`	`Patlabor221`	`or it's not 8 hours`
`22:16.54`	`Cell`	`why 8 hours`
`22:16.58`	`Chestal`	`hmm, the concept of workign a fixed 8 or 9 hours a day`
`22:17.15`	`Patlabor221`	`cus most companys want 8 hours of work`
`22:17.18`	`Patlabor221`	`8-5`
`22:17.27`	`captain_proton`	`9-5 ;)`
`22:17.34`	`Patlabor221`	`if you payed for lunch`
`22:17.34`	`greg1`	`wow, I wake up at 8 :)`
`22:17.36`	`Cell`	`and then i wait if i have a good idea on a project, and make my own firm and sell it :)`
`22:17.42`	`Patlabor221`	`we get an hour lunch`
`22:17.46`	`Patlabor221`	`but dosn't count`
`22:17.57`	`Patlabor221`	`you can do 8-4 if you don't want a lunch`
`22:18.07`	`Chestal`	`I start and stop working whenever I 'want' to`
`22:18.21`	`Patlabor221`	`I would never get anything done if I did that :)`
`22:18.27`	`greg1`	`ah ah`
`22:18.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I could not work at home sadly`
`22:19.00`	`captain_proton`	`at my current job i'm somewhat notorious for going into the office at 2 in the morning`
`22:19.05`	`Chestal`	`I could do most of the work at home, but I still go to the office`
`22:19.06`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`lol`
`22:19.15`	`Patlabor221`	`we have some guys like that too`
`22:19.18`	`Patlabor221`	`it works for them`
`22:19.27`	`Patlabor221`	`they work in small projects so it works well`
`22:19.34`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't work on small projects tho`
`22:19.39`	`Chestal`	`I'd love to do small projects, just some hackign and stuff`
`22:19.44`	`Chestal`	`only small-scale thinking`
`22:19.50`	`Chestal`	`where you get things done fast`
`22:19.52`	`Patlabor221`	`have to do that "human interaction" thing`
`22:19.59`	`Chestal`	`that's motivating`
`22:20.16`	`Chestal`	`and I'm good at concentrating at small jobs`
`22:20.16`	`Patlabor221`	`you could be a post developer for us then :)`
`22:20.29`	`Chestal`	`but I'm bad at doing my Ph.D. :-(`
`22:21.02`	`Cell`	`do you have to show other ppl at work that you are better, and if yes how would you do that?`
`22:21.17`	`Patlabor221`	`better?`
`22:21.26`	`Patlabor221`	`no, I just have to work with them`
`22:21.27`	`Cell`	`ups, yes`
`22:21.28`	`Patlabor221`	`we are a team`
`22:21.35`	`Chestal`	`a team, uhoh`
`22:21.45`	`Cell`	`and what do you do if someone is slow`
`22:21.45`	`Patlabor221`	`we each have our parts of the software`
`22:21.48`	`Cell`	`too slow`
`22:21.52`	`Patlabor221`	`kick there ass :)`
`22:21.58`	`Cell`	`ah`
`22:21.58`	`Patlabor221`	`we have nerf guns`
`22:22.06`	`Cell`	`lol`
`22:22.08`	`Patlabor221`	`or we take stuff away from them`
`22:22.18`	`Cell`	`hehe`
`22:22.29`	`Cell`	`no lunch`
`22:22.34`	`Chestal`	`I wonder whether the one guy in our 3 person team will actually make some progress tomorrow`
`22:23.16`	`Patlabor221`	`thankfully our software is segmented enough to where we each can work on our parts without hitting other peoples parts`
`22:23.27`	`Cell`	`i worked on some intership and i done all the programming alone`
`22:23.27`	`Chestal`	`I am a strong believer in dividing the work into chunks, then assign them to people, define interfaces, so peopel can work independently. Bad thing is: it never works`
`22:23.29`	`Patlabor221`	`we just have to design it well enough so that it stays that way`
`22:23.42`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah we try that too`
`22:23.45`	`Patlabor221`	`to some degree`
`22:24.02`	`Chestal`	`I didn't want to invest too much time in this curent project, because it's jsut a prototype`
`22:24.03`	`Patlabor221`	`tho we make sure that everyone talks to each other to make sure noone goes off in a wierd direction`
`22:24.17`	`Cell`	`Chestal when do you get Dr?`
`22:24.23`	`Chestal`	`I did my part and explained the interface needed to access the data I produced in detail`
`22:24.38`	`Chestal`	`but now I still need to giev support each day, grmpf`
`22:24.39`	`Patlabor221`	`what was it?`
`22:24.43`	`Patlabor221`	`or is it?`
`22:25.14`	`Patlabor221`	`all not a`
`22:25.32`	`Chestal`	`only a simple showoff project: automatic cut detection in videos, computed on a "Grid", accesses via a web interface`
`22:25.45`	`Chestal`	`my part is driven by bash scripts :-)`
`22:25.51`	`Patlabor221`	`neat`
`22:25.55`	`Cell`	`the prob is in a group that if you explain smth and some dont understand they dont admit because they are afraid they could be thought of as stupid, especially if the group is knew`
`22:26.09`	`Patlabor221`	`cell, we don't hire those people`
`22:26.11`	`Chestal`	`I even made the effort to put some data into the LDAP directory server`
`22:26.24`	`Patlabor221`	`remember this isn't a school project where you have to include those people`
`22:26.30`	`Patlabor221`	`hence the 4 interviews`
`22:26.33`	`Chestal`	`but now it's not used because it would take the other team member too long, he obviously does not have enough experience in hacking`
`22:26.47`	`Cell`	`hacking?`
`22:27.01`	`larsl`	`Ugh, school projects.`
`22:27.08`	`Chestal`	`hacking, like in coding, getting things to work on the computer etc.`
`22:27.13`	`Cell`	`ah`
`22:27.21`	`Patlabor221`	`aka "bust out the code and just make it work"`
`22:27.41`	`Cell`	`ah`
`22:27.52`	`Patlabor221`	`we had a guy who was all into fancy stuff`
`22:28.02`	`Chestal`	`the language barrier doesn't make it easier, as does the distance and the nearly disjunct working times...`
`22:28.25`	`Patlabor221`	`the best responce to him was, "well yes that could be done all slick with a template, but just do the dam for loop"`
`22:28.39`	`Cell`	`ah`
`22:28.51`	`larsl`	`~disjunct`
`22:29.09`	`Cell`	`not overlapping`
`22:29.15`	`Chestal`	`~dict disjunct`
`22:29.27`	`larsl`	`~dict disjoint`
`22:29.42`	`Patlabor221`	`long distance teams are hard`
`22:30.29`	`insect_abdomen`	`oh im so motivated to work`
`22:31.00`	`insect_abdomen`	`finally no more different subjects only one thing`
`22:31.35`	`insect_abdomen`	`that will be very relaxing`
`22:32.43`	`insect_abdomen`	`like only bzflag would be could, after some weeks of studiing the code i would be in it and spreading out new code easily`
`22:32.51`	`insect_abdomen`	`cool`
`22:33.15`	`insect_abdomen`	`that would be so relaxing`
`22:35.08`	`insect_abdomen`	`does someone know the max ethernet with token bus data/s?`
`22:35.20`	`insect_abdomen`	`working in praxis`
`22:36.30`	`insect_abdomen`	`gurgle`
`22:37.18`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`how hard would it be to write ethernet device driver?`
`22:37.23`	`insect_abdomen`	`Patlabor221:you have lot of time to chat, so you have to have a very easy job he :)�`
`22:37.25`	`insect_abdomen`	`?`
`22:38.20`	`larsl`	`bzdougbwuahahaha: If you know your way around the kernel it shouldn't be too hard.`
`22:38.27`	`larsl`	`(I've never tried it though)`
`22:38.50`	`bzdougbwuahahaha`	`larsl: hmm, yea... but for winders?`
`22:39.03`	`insect_abdomen`	`yes c code`
`22:39.08`	`larsl`	`You'd need to know the Windows kernel. =)`
`22:39.12`	`bzdougg`	`uh huh`
`22:39.55`	`bzdougg`	`I need a driver that acts as a ethernet device, but feeds everything through the serial port`
`22:39.57`	`insect_abdomen`	`but thats easy since u only have to know some of the user mode functions, i quess`
`22:40.06`	`bzdougg`	`in a special code`
`22:40.46`	`bzdougg`	`like this: http://people.qualcomm.com/karn/papers/kiss.html`
`22:41.15`	`insect_abdomen`	`bah`
`22:41.21`	`bzdougg`	`:)`
`22:41.28`	`insect_abdomen`	`qualcomm`
`22:41.52`	`bzdougg`	`whats wrong with that?`
`22:42.02`	`insect_abdomen`	`it went down nasdaq`
`22:42.23`	`insect_abdomen`	`after it was one of the biggest gainers in the hype`
`22:43.34`	`insect_abdomen`	`ups after brushing my theets for 3 days they are really pretty white know`
`22:45.21`	`insect_abdomen`	`but i bet a carrot diet would be much better results`
`22:45.33`	`*** part/#bzflag greg1 (~admin@greghub.net1.nerim.net)`
`22:46.48`	`[dmp]`	`~seen calico`
`22:46.49`		`calico <calico@bgm-66-67-0-105.stny.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 44m 59s ago, saying: 'hi all'.`
`22:47.42`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~3v1ln00dl@bc183148.bendcable.com)`
`22:49.01`	`Noodleman`	`bzdougg: :-P`
`22:50.06`	`*** part/#bzflag insect_abdomen (~Cell@pD95909B5.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`22:50.31`	`Noodleman`	`good`

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