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00:06.23skihi all
00:07.01skiibot seen KR
00:07.01kr <~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23h 17m 50s ago, saying: '"n" :)'.
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00:12.48[dmp]hi ski
00:12.54[dmp]do we have a match against you guys?
00:12.55skihi
00:13.10skii think, wheres KR?
00:13.52[dmp]KR? I'm not in KRs team..
00:14.44skihmm, well, I might wanna play you guys then
00:14.56[dmp]we have a match now, but after that perhaps?
00:15.01skiWe did have a match with KRs team at least I thought
00:15.09skisur
00:15.27[dmp]i havnt seen kr
00:15.37[dmp]anyway, i'll be back here, when we're done.
00:15.42skik
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00:23.33ApacheFinally  Hey ski
00:26.00Apachebzbot where is ski
00:27.56Patlabor221man bz bot has been gone for ages
00:28.07Patlabor221~seen ski
00:28.08ski is currently on #bzflag (22m 40s).  Has said a total of 8 messages.  Is idling for 12m 26s
00:28.22Apachehhe
00:28.36skihi apache
00:28.38Patlabor221ibot who is your daddy?
00:28.39YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants
00:29.03skiget my messages?
00:29.18Apachehey ski
00:29.40ApacheI was on ducatti  but dmp is playing
00:29.57skiyeah, i saw, he offered to play when they are done
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00:30.17skiapparently KR is a no show....<grumble>
00:31.28Apache:-(
00:32.44Apachetook me awhile to remmber how to connect   I
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00:33.57ski2still there?
00:34.16Apacheha
00:34.23ski2now im here twice
00:35.08ski2ne ways
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00:35.56dougheckagreetings
00:36.00ski2hi
00:36.08dougheckahi
00:36.45ski2ne one know where I can get some sound drivers for my pc...the ones at compaq dont seem to work :(
00:37.33CobraA1Go to Compaq's webpage
00:37.40CobraA1err . . .
00:37.57CobraA1They don't work?
00:38.01CobraA1Then I don't know
00:38.58ski2yeah, its in this sofpac called soundmax
00:39.26Patlabor221what card its it?
00:39.53ski2whatever came with the pc..not sure
00:40.08Patlabor221then it's going to be REALY hard for anyone to tell you where to get drivers for it.
00:40.16ski2i guess i should try their tech line
00:40.29ski2i figured as much..heh
00:40.58ski2ah, who needs sound n e ways...lol
00:41.19ski2btw just got a 15" flat screen monitor...love it
00:43.08ski2apache: you interested in playin dmp?
00:43.23ski2he's with calico
00:44.54ski2hmm, no apach
00:45.11ski2~seen apache
00:45.13apache is currently on #bzflag (21m 49s).  Has said a total of 8 messages.  Is idling for 10m 57s
00:48.46ski2apache, im in 59999
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00:49.28[dmp]hi ramstein :)
00:49.46Ramsteinhey dmp
00:49.58Ramsteinlookin for scurvey dogz
00:50.16Ramsteingonna check rosemeyers
00:50.21Ramsteincya
00:51.25Apacheyo
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02:33.16Patlabor221anyone know if any linux browsers support iframes ?
02:34.23Patlabor221thinkin of puting a shoutbox on bzbb, but if it only suports ie, then I won't
02:35.02captain_protonmozilla does it
02:35.22Patlabor221ohh so most of the browsers that use that will probalby then too
02:35.57captain_protonprobably
02:36.18Patlabor221hmm
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02:56.20dougheckagreetings
02:56.28Patlabor221supzor
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03:14.11Noodlemanmoo!
03:15.42Patlabor221moo
03:15.47Patlabor221how goes the server?
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03:16.01Noodlemanit hasn't crashed in about 4 days
03:16.11Patlabor221very good
03:16.13Noodlemani think it might be ready for primetime again
03:16.24Noodlemanstill not sure what the problem is
03:17.30Patlabor221maye it was the NIC
03:17.41Noodlemanwe can hope so
03:18.15Noodlemani'm gunna have a BIG backlog of spam when i get it back up :-)
03:18.44Noodlemani hate spammers
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03:18.51Noodlemani hate them with a passion
03:19.55Noodlemanhttp://www.wcpe.org/
03:20.00Noodlemangreat station
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03:21.45beta3hello all
03:22.10beta3I completely suck at bzflag
03:22.27Noodlemani've been playing for a year and a half
03:22.41Noodlemani still don't get to much higher than 10
03:22.49Noodlemandon't fell too bad :-)
03:51.52beta3lo
03:51.53beta3lol
03:52.03beta3Im getting anhilated
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03:56.55Noodlemancrap, noodleroni crashed
03:57.08Noodlemani wonder if it's an OS thing
03:57.28Noodlemanbecause it didn't crash while i was testing the memory
03:57.38Noodlemanthat was going for 4 days straight
03:58.20Noodlemani'm going to put redhat 9 on it and see what happens...
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05:36.53Ramsteinhey kr
05:37.07Ramsteinhey dmp
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10:44.30rooterhello
10:47.21bomberhi rooter
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11:01.21[dmp]hi
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11:29.43larslI really want that no-join-at-base patch. =P
11:31.25larslThere's a player called 'mac' on xmission who rejoins every time someone's at his base.
11:31.32larslIt's getting annoying.
11:35.10ak|ratr
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13:39.56dougheckagreetings
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14:52.31rooter~ducati6
14:53.01rooterand you all call yourselves addicted! :)
15:12.38bomber~ducati6
15:12.49rooterwant to play?
15:13.10rooter~ducati6
15:14.01rooter~ducati6
15:15.27[dmp]2~ducatictf
15:15.39rooterslow day :)
15:16.15[dmp]2~ducatictf
15:16.23[dmp]2paladin is htere.
15:16.23[dmp]2odd.
15:16.28[dmp]2just connected
15:16.36rooterhmm..  i'll be there in a sec
15:34.18*** join/#bzflag Patlabor2211 (~JeffM@208.48.199.214)
15:38.53[dmp]I want to add ladder-support in bzfs. So I began working, but its quite messy.. So I decided to split it up into files? This is, at all, a good idea?
15:39.15[dmp]its bzfs.cxx i want to split
15:39.26Chestala good idea in general, I think
15:39.33Patlabor2211bzfs needs to be split
15:39.59[dmp]So I'm not wasting my time if I use time to rearrange the code, beforing adding anything new?
15:40.11[dmp]except if you dont like it, ofcause :-)
15:41.07Patlabor2211tho you may not want to commit till after G2
15:42.17[dmp]I kinda figured that. But i guess i cant as i'm not registered as a developer on bzflag anyway.
15:42.44[dmp]But I'll continue to work on it. I guess that chances is gonna be minor, if any?
15:47.05bomberrooter where are u?
15:47.07Patlabor2211depends all on what you want to change?
15:49.57[dmp]1) I wanted to make a easy way of extending the bzfs, kinda plugins.
15:50.12[dmp]2) I wanted to write a ladder "plugin" / patch
15:50.37Patlabor2211sounds a bit more then minor
15:50.45Patlabor2211but  it could be nice
15:51.03[dmp]ah well i was thinking about chnages from your side (until g2 release)
15:51.35[dmp]or perhaps i should wait until g2 is released .. hm
15:52.44Patlabor2211well in G2 a lot of stuff is done in the client not the server.
15:52.44[dmp]I guess I otta ask on the developer mailinglist, instead of here :)
15:52.55Patlabor2211with post G2 you could move that to the server.
15:53.12Patlabor2211most of the people on the list  are here :)
15:53.19[dmp]oh :)
15:53.31Patlabor2211those that answer anyway
15:54.58[dmp]Should I try to split it up, or should i look at re-arrangnig the structure (trying to get rid of some of the global vars) ?
15:58.51Patlabor2211that would be nice
16:03.53[dmp]Okey, i'll look into that as well.
16:22.20[dmp]is there any codeguidelines i need to be aware of?
16:22.39larslDEVINFO
16:22.48larslHas some guidelines.
16:22.58Patlabor2211"make code as ugly as posible"
16:23.17[dmp]DEVINFO ?
16:23.20Patlabor2211"never ever use spaces"
16:23.27larslIt's a file in the top level directory.
16:23.31larslSpaces?
16:23.35Patlabor2211"avoid newlines like the plauge"
16:23.37Patlabor2211:)
16:23.50Patlabor2211I'm just kiddin
16:24.29larslIf I have a 3-vector, and I want to rotate that into another 3-vector, how do I calculate the axis of rotation and the angle?
16:25.15Patlabor2211rotations in what coordinate system?
16:25.17larslI could get the axis by taking the cross product, I suppose.
16:25.17Patlabor2211XY?
16:25.32larslIn 3-dimensional space.
16:25.33Patlabor2211that would give you the normal yes
16:25.39Patlabor2211then the dot would be the angle between them
16:25.57Patlabor2211but you want a single axis rotation around an arbitrary axis?
16:26.03larslI'm going to put it in a 'glRotatef'.
16:26.08Patlabor2211or 3 rotations aournd X Y and X ?
16:26.19Patlabor2211then you want X Y and Z
16:26.23larslOK.
16:26.55Patlabor2211break off the components and do atan2
16:27.01Patlabor2211for each axis set
16:27.12Patlabor2211well no
16:27.19Patlabor2211you can specify the axis
16:27.26larslatan2(x1, x2), atan2(y1, y2), atan2(z1, z2) ?
16:27.38Patlabor2211I just thought you don't need to do that
16:27.46Patlabor2211cross to get the normal
16:27.53Patlabor2211put that in as the vector
16:27.58Patlabor2211then dot to get the angle
16:28.07Patlabor2211well the cos of the angle
16:28.12Patlabor2211then acos to get the real angle
16:28.32Patlabor2211atan takes X/Y tho
16:28.44Patlabor2211so it would be nasty
16:29.10Patlabor2211just specify the axis
16:29.23Patlabor2211it's cleaner
16:29.53Patlabor2211what are you rotating?
16:29.57larslA cylinder.
16:30.02Patlabor2211neat
16:30.19larslOne end connected to the origin, the other 1 length unit away.
16:31.28Patlabor2211fun with vector math :)
16:31.49Patlabor2211don't forget to nomralise the vector that come off the cross product
16:32.06larslThey are already normalised, all my vectors are unit vectors.
16:33.01Patlabor2211ok good
16:42.16larslIt actually seems to work now. =)
16:43.34larslAnnoying that acos returns radians and GL wants degrees, though.
16:44.00Patlabor2211just a mult to fix it :)
16:48.04[dmp]hmm
16:49.23[dmp]DEVINFO: These features are now permitted an encouraged: standard C++ library  -- use where appropriate (AList is gone) ..Later.. These should still be avoided: templates. AFAIK the contains of stl is using templates? Or do I miss something?
16:49.41[dmp]s/contains/containers/
16:49.43larslI think it means "don't write your own template classes or functions.
16:49.44larsl"
16:49.55Patlabor2211that they are
16:49.59larslAlthough I think that should be removed too.
16:51.31[dmp]So do I :)
16:51.43[dmp]okey. At least i've found the DEVINFO file :)
16:51.46larslCan the '.' operator be overridden in C++?
16:52.11Patlabor2211pobably
16:52.30Patlabor2211but why would you want to?
16:52.41larslI probably don't want to. =P
16:53.05larslI want an operator for the dot product for a vector class, and '*' is already used for the cross product.
16:57.22larsl. and ?: can't be overloaded.
16:57.38larslAnd not :: or .*
17:03.44Patlabor2211ohh just make a finction
17:03.52Patlabor2211function called dot()
17:04.53larslI'm using ','. =)
17:05.04larslSo (A, B) is the dot product of A and B.
17:05.06Patlabor2211noone will know what that means
17:05.15larslNo, I'll probably change it.
17:05.30Patlabor2211readability is more imporant the "slickness"
17:06.29larslToo bad I can't define my own operators.
17:06.35larslLike 'x' for cross product.
17:06.47Patlabor2211dmp, what does your ladder site need webserver wise? If you want I can host it on the BZBB machine
17:06.58Patlabor2211why not "cross()" ?
17:07.31larslI like operator overloading.
17:07.44Patlabor2211yup, you must be a student :)
17:08.03larslCorrect. =)
17:08.16Patlabor2211what are you using to set up GL, GLUT?
17:08.20larslSDL.
17:08.31Patlabor2211ahh, the smart way :)
17:15.00Patlabor2211I do need to make my vector stuff into classes
17:15.28Patlabor2211and the matrix stuff
17:17.56Chestalwhy not use something liek blitz++?
17:18.09Chestalhas cool templates and operator overloading ans is fast and works :-)
17:18.17Patlabor2211cus this is Old :)
17:18.37Patlabor2211like the first 3d thing I made
17:18.45Patlabor2211and it works
17:20.48larslIf I declare a function to be inline but defines it in a .cpp-file, how does the compiler know where to find the function implementation? Or does the linker do that?
17:21.57Chestallarsl: it most probably won't be inlined
17:22.39Chestalnot sure whetehr the standard says anythign about it; so it's either no inlingign or it's a quality of implementation issue
17:22.59larslOK.
17:23.08Chestalbecause there are environments which do not process the compilation units independently
17:23.43larslI don't think the standard says anything at all about 'inline', it's just a suggestion to the compiler. =P
17:24.18larslAnyway, I'll save the optimization until after it's working. =)
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17:27.05larslHello, TimRiker.
17:27.14larslI've found a SEGFAULT bug in bzfs.
17:27.22TimRikercool
17:28.04larslWhen compiled with GCC 3.2.2, it dies when assigning the return value of Address::getHostName() (which can be NULL) to a std::string.
17:28.46TimRikerwierd. that should work, yes?
17:29.08larslI don't know what the C++ specs say about it.
17:29.19larslBut it has obviously worked earlier. =)
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17:31.49larslIf I check if the pointer is NULL, and in that case sets the string to "" instead, it works.
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17:37.47larslThat seems to be the only place in the code where the result of Address::getHostName() is assigned to a std::string.
17:41.20larslShould I commit the NULL check to CVS?
17:41.25larslOr should something else be changed?
17:41.53rooterhey, is there documentation on the format of the Listserver output?
17:42.31TimRikerlarsl: add a FIXME comment about the 3.2.2 issue and commit it to cvs.
17:42.50TimRikerrooter: just the source. ;-)
17:43.37rooterthat's cool... anybody want to point me to the correct source file on CVS?
17:53.21larslBugfix committed.
17:56.47TimRikerrooter: bzfs.cxx creates an "ADD" message that should show it. bzlfs does not parse much of it, so don't look there. then the client does the parsing and I forget where that code is.
17:57.22rooterTimRiker: Great... I'll continue my source searching.   Thanks!
17:59.54Chestalhi Tim
18:02.16ChestalI'm almost 100% sure that string(0) invokes undefined unbehaviour
18:27.32larslHmm.
18:27.48larslWhy would OpenGL only draw one half of a cylinder?
18:32.35rootercan one determine the max number of team players from just the bzfs response without having to go to the list server?
18:33.42Chestalyes, if I understood you correctly
18:33.49Chestalmisc/bzfquery.pl does that
18:34.02rooterChestal: thanks
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18:45.24captain_protonPatlabor2211: i'm experimenting with scons, i may be able to make it create dlls
18:53.05Patlabor2211ohhh that would be cool
18:58.37Patlabor2211I am making a big change, it may screw you up
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19:18.28captain_protonhrm, it won't shared link
19:18.43captain_protoncomplains about some circular dependency that doesn't exit
19:18.45captain_protonexist*
19:21.27larslNo backlinking?
19:22.53captain_protonthe thing that confuses me is that there aren't even any header dependencies
19:23.25captain_protonhmm
19:23.27captain_protoncloser
19:23.36captain_protonLGE/libLGE.so: file not recognized: File truncated
19:58.43Patlabor2211odd
19:59.30captain_protonodd?
20:00.44Patlabor2211your dependency issue
20:12.09Patlabor2211wow, perantly we are all slackers.
20:14.14captain_protonhm?
20:14.58captain_protonScreamers/DefaultGameLogic.cpp:927: warning: taking address of temporary
20:16.01Patlabor2211damn smily interperter, what line?
20:16.07captain_proton927
20:16.24captain_protonwhy are we all slackers?
20:16.40Patlabor2211michaelh20
20:16.40Patlabor2211<PROTECTED>
20:16.52captain_protonwhere?
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20:17.22Patlabor2211SF forums
20:17.47Noodleman_workMo0Z0rz
20:17.47captain_protonwhich one?
20:17.49Noodleman_work:-)
20:17.58Patlabor2211dev
20:17.59captain_protonah found it
20:18.20Noodleman_work~moo captain_proton
20:18.25ACTION moos at captain_proton
20:18.35Patlabor2211I can't commit, you want to fix?
20:18.43Patlabor2211moo
20:31.08captain_protongot it
20:31.49captain_protonoooo
20:31.54captain_protonthe landings look slick now
20:35.01captain_protonthe sunshine delay, is when the traffic slows down because the sun is in your eyes, on days like today, you're lucky to make it home in the first place...
20:35.04captain_protonwhat a cool song :)
20:36.52Patlabor2211you like the effect? :)
20:40.25captain_protoni should do the video recorder after collisions
20:40.36Patlabor2211that would be coo
20:40.36captain_protonbecause my boss wants a random video to put up on the video wall
20:40.37captain_proton=)
20:40.43Patlabor2211LOL
20:41.11captain_protonsad thing is the streaming boxes are only 800x600 :(
20:41.34Patlabor2211well it will look ok
20:41.34captain_protoni wish that the wall controller had real acceleration for things other than external overlays
20:41.43captain_protonbecause then i could do 3200x2400 >:)
20:41.49Patlabor2211ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
20:42.03captain_protonand its about a 16' screen
20:42.17Patlabor2211see that would make me dive out there
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20:43.17captain_protonhehe
20:43.25captain_protoni bet this stuff would port to irix
20:43.32captain_protonthen we could play with it on the viz screen too
20:43.58Patlabor2211sound probably would not
20:44.10captain_protonyeah
20:44.15captain_protonbut that machine doesn't have sound anyways
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20:44.37DarkCreeperz__noUugh
20:44.40DarkCreeperz__noBrb
20:45.13captain_protonheh
20:45.27*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)
20:45.34Noodleman_workyo-yo ma r0x0rZ !
20:45.35[STC]_creeperzthere
20:45.41[STC]_creeperzHey
20:46.25Patlabor2211wheeeee look at all the crashes
20:46.31[STC]_creeperzWhat?
20:46.37Patlabor2211I made chashes
20:46.58Patlabor2211crashes even
20:47.14[STC]_creeperz:-)
20:47.21[STC]_creeperzFor Screamers?
20:48.29captain_protonsomeone should make a map template that has some good looking "shield generators" at the corners
20:48.33captain_protonand no real walls
20:51.31captain_protonPatlabor2211: is up Z?
20:51.33dougheckathrough another person, so the total ping time is like 2 seconds
20:51.50doughecka~seen hardwire
20:51.54hardwire is currently on #gct (1d 4h 13m 35s) #zaurus (1d 4h 13m 35s) #openzaurus (1d 4h 13m 35s) #bzflag (1d 4h 13m 35s)
20:52.48[STC]_creeperz$20 says Noodle's phone just rang
20:52.58hardwirehi
20:53.12dougheckahey hardwire
20:53.12doughecka:)
20:53.14hardwirehey
20:53.15hardwireno
20:53.20dougheckagot ur li... oh
20:53.39Patlabor2211yes
20:53.40[STC]_creeperzIs it true you can run Knoppix straight from your CD-ROM?
20:53.40Patlabor2211up is Z
20:53.45dougheckayes
20:53.47[STC]_creeperzZ?
20:53.48[STC]_creeperzWhat?
20:53.54[STC]_creeperz:-)
20:54.03[STC]_creeperzdoug: Thanks
20:54.14dougheckahardwire: I just got my packet modem workin
20:54.16Patlabor2211cap but all 3 axis are handles the same, not like bz
20:54.25Patlabor2211and the scale is the total size in that axis
20:54.28captain_protonah right
20:54.28hardwiredoughecka: how did it work?
20:54.51dougheckahmm, I could work better, but as long as I can reach on person, I can digipeat to other stations
20:55.13Celldoes someone know a good octree frustum culling implementation?
20:55.20Cellocttree
20:55.54hardwiredoughecka: yeh
20:56.05hardwiregetting the timing working is a bitch
20:56.13hardwirethats why its nice to have an AX.25 master
20:56.17dougheckaheh
20:56.21hardwirebut.. those aren't implemented in most places
20:56.26dougheckayea
20:56.32doughecka!
20:56.33hardwirethere is on;y AX.25 slave
20:56.38dougheckaah
20:56.48dougheckahm
20:57.15dougheckaPCSAT here I come! :)
20:58.20dougheckaknow an Elmer? ;)
20:58.43Cellthe problem im facing is that i have to build the octtree in object space, so i have to transform the frustum planes from world space to object space, i hope scaling does not make the frustum weird
20:59.15Celli got to proof that
21:01.19captain_protonhmm Patlabor2211
21:01.25captain_protoncoldet doesn't do winding at all, does it?
21:01.57Patlabor2211dono
21:02.13Patlabor2211I think it's just intersection tests
21:02.25Patlabor2211OSFile is pissing me off
21:04.07Patlabor2211I don't think I can fopen and fclose in a difrent module then I fread
21:08.37Noodleman_workback from the phone
21:08.46Patlabor2211how was it?
21:08.47Noodleman_workcreeperz gets $20 :-)
21:08.55[STC]_creeperzHeh
21:09.22[STC]_creeperzJeff: When shoud I be expecting the discs?
21:09.38Patlabor2211not exatly sure
21:09.44Patlabor2211maybe end of the week
21:09.46Patlabor2211it's USPS
21:09.49[STC]_creeperzOk
21:10.06[STC]_creeperzUS Postal Service?
21:10.11Patlabor2211that would be them
21:10.31Patlabor2211your too far away, and it was to lite for UPS
21:10.50[STC]_creeperz...I would rather be mailed antherax with a mercury censor bomb included
21:10.57[STC]_creeperzOh
21:11.10[STC]_creeperzBrown wouldn't handle it?
21:11.13Patlabor2211would have cost too much UPS
21:11.16Patlabor2211ohh they could have
21:11.17[STC]_creeperzOh
21:11.23Patlabor2211it's just expensive
21:11.33Patlabor2211ground is not cost efective for light packages
21:11.33[STC]_creeperzIf it were bigger it would have costed less?
21:11.55Patlabor2211no, but it would have been cheaper then USPS if it was larger
21:12.08[STC]_creeperzOh
21:12.08doughecka...
21:12.10Patlabor2211under a pound USPS is cheaper
21:12.17[STC]_creeperzGot it
21:12.27[STC]_creeperzIt's cheaper if it's over a pound UPS?
21:13.00Patlabor2211often yes
21:13.27Noodleman_work<PROTECTED>
21:13.43Noodleman_work<PROTECTED>
21:13.45Noodleman_worksorry
21:13.47Noodleman_work:-)
21:14.06dougheckahmm
21:14.07[STC]_creeperzANRHIZAX?
21:14.10[STC]_creeperzOhhh
21:14.14[STC]_creeperzANTHARAX!
21:14.32dougheckawhat are magnetorquers
21:15.01[STC]_creeperzGuys who wear funny pink costumes and hit yu up for money in malls
21:15.29[STC]_creeperzAnd they can stick to metal
21:15.30captain_protonPatlabor2211: looks like the impact on the ground is drawn on top of the pod?
21:15.49[STC]_creeperzWoah, that's deep
21:16.40Patlabor2211it shoudln't be
21:16.59Patlabor2211it's deawn a the same time as the ground objects
21:17.04Patlabor2211but I can check it out
21:17.14Patlabor2211when I'm done bustin the livin hell outa all this code
21:17.24[STC]_creeperz!  1 0 \/ 3  40 9 3 4 .-  0 1 |)  \|/ 0 |\/| 3 |\| , |\| 0 0 |) 1 3 |\/| 4 |\| !
21:17.26[STC]_creeperzThere
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21:18.30Noodleman_worki love somethingoid women, noodleman?
21:18.50[STC]_creeperz40 year old :-)
21:19.04Noodleman_worknow, that's just not right...
21:19.04[STC]_creeperzJ|K
21:19.08dougheckauh oh, I got one of these emails
21:19.08Noodleman_work:-)
21:19.32doughecka"I am the son of the late president of Democratic Republic Of  Zaire,President Mobutu Sese Seko, ( now The Republic Of Congo, under  the leadership of the son of Mr. Laurent Kabila )
21:19.38Patlabor2211on man that means I 'm gonna have to merge
21:19.51Noodleman_worki know of mobby and larry
21:20.08[STC]_creeperzI say you're all nucking futs!
21:20.11Noodleman_workwe're h4x0r1ng buddy
21:20.12doughecka"I am soliciting for your humble and confidential assistance to take custody of THIRTY Million United States  Dollars ( US$30,000,000.00 ), also to front for me in the areas of  business you desire profitable. "
21:20.16captain_protonPatlabor2211: have you hacked up the collision stuff? if not, merging will be simple
21:20.19[STC]_creeperzLol
21:20.52Patlabor2211I changed the basedrawclass
21:21.00captain_protonhm
21:21.01Patlabor2211and all sorts of stuff
21:21.07Patlabor2211it shoudl hopefully be not bad
21:21.15Patlabor2211I will deal with it
21:21.15[STC]_creeperzLet's go 57341 some cool snacks from Quik-e-Mart!
21:21.23Patlabor2211yes you are :)
21:21.27captain_proton[STC]_creeperz: cut it out
21:21.32[STC]_creeperzOk
21:21.34Patlabor2211CBaseDrawObject is dead now
21:21.37[STC]_creeperzHmm
21:21.45[STC]_creeperz0 |<
21:21.46captain_protonyikes
21:21.58Patlabor2211well it lives on as CBaseObject :)
21:22.03[STC]_creeperzWho inventer L33t?
21:22.08Noodleman_worki did
21:22.08[STC]_creeperzinvented*
21:22.12Patlabor2211and has a lot more functions now
21:22.20[STC]_creeperz~leet
21:22.30[STC]_creeperz~l33t
21:23.14[STC]_creeperzcap: What's wrong with l33t?
21:23.43Noodleman_workit is generally regarded as puerile
21:23.54[STC]_creeperzWhat?
21:24.09Noodleman_work~dict puerile
21:24.19EL33T_MasterOh
21:26.40captain_protonPatlabor2211: can you send me a diff and i'll start merging?
21:28.31Patlabor2211no, cus it's not done yet :)
21:28.44Patlabor2211and it dosn't work
21:29.05captain_protonthis is such a great programmerin' shirt
21:29.13Patlabor2211?
21:29.20captain_protonsad mac
21:29.26dougheckahaha
21:29.47dougheckathey have new startup screens for the zaurus that show a happy mac icon
21:30.00[STC]_creeperzDoes anyone remember how I complained about Doritoes comming out of my nose?
21:30.02captain_protonhttp://www.cafeshops.com/picogui_store.4907888
21:30.40Patlabor2211well at least when I'm done, you will be able to move the data dir anywhere you want, and we'll be set up for a Virtual File system if need be
21:30.52captain_protonooo
21:31.05captain_protonthen we can separate data out into a separate module
21:31.16Patlabor2211that is why I am doing this
21:32.18[STC]_creeperzJeff: Remember when I shot Doritoes out of my nose?
21:35.56Patlabor2211unfortonatly
21:36.14[STC]_creeperzI have a soar throat because of that incident
21:36.32[STC]_creeperzIt will be about a month until it goes away :-(
21:39.14Patlabor2211ohhh I double fopend
21:39.15Patlabor2211I am bad
21:39.50captain_protonbad hacker! sit!
21:40.43Patlabor2211yes but now I have a self closing, smart, multi OS file class :)
21:40.53captain_protonsexy
21:44.26[STC]_creeperzTimRiker: What you up to?
21:45.08Patlabor2211and it's even used in BZFlag :)
21:47.47[STC]_creeperz10 Ok
21:48.20[STC]_creeperz12 this is about my favorite color 2 This is kinda cool too
21:51.14[STC]_creeperzWho here has IE 6?
21:51.43[STC]_creeperzBecause I have a little problem that I friend helped me into
21:53.32*** join/#bzflag Skipp (xaupb535@dialup-64.156.53.71.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net)
21:54.34[STC]_creeperzNevermind, I got it now
21:55.43*** join/#bzflag ltd_blitz (~d808838a@203.194.240.139)
21:56.29[STC]_creeperzHi
21:56.36[STC]_creeperzGot any food?
21:56.44ltd_blitzsure do
21:57.03[STC]_creeperzYou're using the CGI script on SS?
21:57.12ltd_blitzme?
21:57.17[STC]_creeperzYes, you
21:57.33*** part/#bzflag Skipp (xaupb535@dialup-64.156.53.71.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net)
21:58.31[STC]_creeperzYou are?
22:01.40[dmp]Whois: ltd_blitz is ~d808838a@203.194.240.139 * [] CGI:IRC User
22:01.56[STC]_creeperzI know :-)
22:02.14[dmp]You're just double-checking?
22:02.22[STC]_creeperzYes
22:03.55[STC]_creeperzHowdo I reset fonts, ect. to default?
22:04.02[STC]_creeperzHow do*
22:04.07[STC]_creeperzAnyone?
22:07.10[STC]_creeperzlol
22:08.32[STC]_creeperzI have it now :-)
22:08.35[STC]_creeperz:)
22:08.48[STC]_creeperz:O)
22:26.20[dmp]TimRiker: I've been speaking with chestal about the possibility to takeover the ctf-league site, when/if valoche releases the source. I understand that you need to add me as a developer to get real access the cvs. In the meantime I'll try to restructure the bzfs code - hoping that you guys can benefit from it as well.. Palabor suggested that this was added after g2-release (if its good enough)
22:27.13captain_proton[dmp]: well, the 'source' is just on the sf web page - you need to be a dev on the project to have access to the sf web server to mess with it
22:27.49[dmp]captain_proton: I dont think that the bzflag.org/league site is in cvs at all.
22:29.29captain_proton[dmp]: probably not
22:29.44captain_proton[dmp]: but once you have shell access you could just ssh in and modify it
22:30.27TimRiker[dmp]: nod. patches, thoughts in email, etc always welcome.
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22:30.59TimRikerafaik stats and league are not in version control anywhere.
22:31.11captain_protonwere they ever?
22:31.25captain_protonleague might have been
22:31.32Chestalproton: do you know anything about the php scripts and/or how to access the mysql database for the league?
22:31.37TimRikernot that I recall.
22:31.54captain_protonChestal: sort of
22:32.11ChestalI haven't really tried to find out by myself so far, I've used mysql ages ago, and php is straightforward most of the time
22:32.11captain_protonPatlabor2211: how goes that object ripping?
22:32.30Chestalwhich host do I connect to for a shell login again?
22:32.40*** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)
22:32.44TimRikerwe probably should setup phpMyAdmin someplace on the site.
22:34.02captain_protonChestal: try shell.bzflag.sf.net
22:34.25Chestalwithout 'shell' it works
22:35.40TimRikershell.sf.net should work. bzflag.org should also.
22:36.52Chestalok, located the web files for the league
22:39.03Noodleman_workcan we use roundup on spammers?
22:39.05[dmp]Chestal: have you had any response from valoche? Otherwise I could perhaps get a copy and begin digging into the current code.
22:39.10Noodleman_workthey are noxious organisms?
22:39.19Noodleman_workno ?
22:39.21Noodleman_worksry
22:39.46Chestaldmp: actually, I haven't sent another mail yet
22:39.57Noodleman_worki think if i catch a spammer, i'm gunna drop him in a vat of pesticide
22:39.57[dmp]:)
22:40.48Chestalhoorah, I can lsit the database
22:41.27[dmp]valoche said something like that all league tables are prefixed with l_ ...
22:41.50Chestalyes, I see about 12 of them
22:41.58Chestaland everything is in one big php script
22:42.04ChestalI guess Vaoche wanted to change this
22:42.22Chestaldmp: can you login to bzflag.sf.net via ssh?
22:43.09Patlabor2211cap tedious
22:44.12[dmp]Chestal: I get permission denied.
22:44.24captain_protonPatlabor2211: will it still be BaseObject::Collide(blah) ?
22:44.33Chestaldmp: you used your sf login and pw of course?
22:44.40[dmp]yes
22:44.49Chestalhmm
22:45.11Chestaldon't know if it does make any difference whether you use bzflag or shell.
22:45.24[dmp]never tried it before, might be something i do wrong.
22:45.27TimRiker[dmp]: hmm have you registered any ssh keys? I use key access, but I think pw access still works. are you a member of any other groups yet?
22:45.42Chestaldmp: what's your name?
22:45.52[dmp]TimRiker: No, no
22:45.53TimRikerssh <sf user>@shell.sourceforge.net
22:46.00[dmp]Chestal: dennismp
22:46.14Chestalfinger doesn't know you
22:46.18TimRikerssh -v dennismp@shell.sourceforge.net
22:46.47TimRikermight want a home directory, etc.
22:47.15Chestalat least the current shell host does not know a user of this name
22:47.27Chestalnor is there a hoem directorty by that name
22:48.14[dmp]I've just logout/login on sf.net (web) to verify my user/pass .. it works, but not with ssh
22:50.10[dmp]But I guess I'm a normal user .. the sf documentation says at ssh: "Team members (developers) only"..
22:50.48TimRiker[dmp]: I added you to the project. try ssh again. normal access discaimers...
22:51.07ChestalI can see him now with finger
22:51.08TimRikerdon't break anything. ;-) Talk to someone before you make changes.
22:51.12[dmp]TimRiker: works
22:51.18TimRikersweet.
22:51.24TimRikerback in a bit...
22:51.30[dmp]I'll start by just viewing the php-sourcecode
22:59.58Chestalgood night
23:06.01Noodleman_workhttp://pub169.ezboard.com/feqluclinfrm12.showMessageRange?topicID=532.topic&start=1&stop=20
23:06.06Noodleman_workBIG spidey
23:10.22[dmp]Noodleman_work: do you take any action on the spam you receive?
23:12.01Noodleman_work[dmp]: not much yet
23:12.10Noodleman_worki do on my personal email address
23:12.18Noodleman_workjust not my work one yet
23:13.14Patlabor2211that is a BFS
23:13.24Noodleman_workthat it is
23:13.47[dmp]~bfs
23:13.51UnixWare Boot Filesystem for Linux. URL: http://penguin.cz/~mhi/fs/bfs/
23:13.56[dmp]ahh
23:13.56[dmp]:)
23:14.18Patlabor2211Big F***in Spider
23:15.19[dmp]yurck.
23:17.10captain_protonPatlabor2211: is gl row major or column major?
23:18.00Patlabor2211I don't know
23:18.03Patlabor2211I used to know
23:18.17Patlabor2211check the bluebook
23:18.44Noodleman_work~bfs
23:18.45it has been said that bfs is a Big Freakin Spider
23:26.00yoyox~xmission
23:28.42Noodleman_work"Warning: do not use if you have prostate problems." -- On a box of Midol PMS relief tablets.
23:29.21dougheckahmm
23:29.46Noodleman_work"Do not use orally after using rectally." -- In the instructions for an electric thermometer.
23:29.58dougheckaewwww
23:30.09Noodleman_work"Warning! This is not underwear! Do not attempt to put in pants." -- On the packaging for a wristwatch.
23:30.23dougheckalol
23:30.44doughecka"Do not use while sleeping." -- On a hair dryer.
23:31.11doughecka"This product not intended for use as a dental drill." -- On an electric rotary tool.
23:31.38Noodleman_work"Optional modem required." -- On a computer software package.
23:31.44dougheckalol
23:31.48doughecka"May irritate eyes." -- On a can of self-defense pepper spray.
23:32.08doughecka"Do not use orally." -- On a toilet bowl cleaning brush.
23:32.13Noodleman_work"Remove wrapper, open mouth, insert muffin, eat." -- Instructions on the packaging for a muffin at a 7-11.
23:32.20dougheckahah
23:32.21doughecka"Please keep out of children." -- On a butcher knife.
23:32.48doughecka"Do not use for drying pets." -- In the manual for a microwave oven.
23:33.26dougheckahahahaha
23:33.27doughecka"Warning: Do not climb inside this bag and zip it up. Doing so will cause injury and death." -- A label inside a protective bag (for fragile objects), which measures 15cm by 15cm by 12cm.
23:34.07doughecka"Warning: has been found to cause cancer in laboratory mice." -- On a box of rat poison.
23:34.32doughecka"Beware! To touch these wires is instant death. Anyone found doing so will be prosecuted." -- On a sign at a railroad station.
23:35.00Noodleman_work"The toilet is blocked, and we cannot bathe the children until it is cleared."
23:35.04dougheckalol
23:35.06doughecka"May be harmful if swallowed." -- On a shipment of hammers.
23:36.20doughecka"Ingredients: Artificially bleached flour, sugar, vegetable fat, yeast, salt, gluten, soya flour, emulsifier 472 (E) & 481, flour treatment agents, enzymes, water. May contain: fruit." -- The ingredients list on a package of fruit buns.
23:39.30doughecka"To more the cabin, push button for wishing floor. If the cabin should enter more persons, each one should press a number of wishing floor. Driving is then going alphabetically by national order." -- A sign in a Belgrade elevator.
23:39.54captain_protondo you guys really have to paste every single freakin one?
23:40.08dougheckacaptain_proton: no, this in only about 1/10 of them
23:41.35Patlabor2211and we get wacked for talking about non-bz zstuff
23:43.54doughecka"Can these life jackets get wet?"
23:44.28*** kick/#bzflag [doughecka!~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU] by captain_proton (shut up already)
23:44.29*** join/#bzflag doughecka (SteveJobs@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net)
23:44.52dougheckadsl must have dropped
23:45.48Noodleman_workhttp://www.rinkworks.com/said/tourism.shtml, last one at the bottom
23:47.12dougheckalol
23:47.23Noodleman_worksosh teacher, eh?
23:47.45dougheckacheesh curds
23:58.07[STC]_creeperzLOL!!
23:58.22[STC]_creeperz~seen TimRiker
23:58.23timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 6m 59s ago, saying: 'back in a bit...'.
23:58.43[STC]_creeperzHow long was I gone?

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